Taking a little break … hopefully
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As of today and through Dec. 1, I am on vacation. Some family is coming to town next week for the holiday and there are assorted other things going on with friends. Some college basketball games are on the agenda as well. If my 401-K wasn’t reduced to 17 cents, I might have gone to play blackjack. But that’s out.
I will keep the blog up to some extent. Meaning that if some actual news breaks, I’ll try and post something. Thanks for your understanding.
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Chad Jennings
Sam Borden
Nooooo
This is a SIGN from above, isn’t!
CC’s signing with the Dodgers or Giants!!
“As of today and through Dec. 1, I am on vacation.”
…
“I will be on WFAN tomorrow morning at 9:40 a.m. ”
What’s the over/under for:
Responses to “Taking a little break … hopefully” ?
Ahhh! What to do with no LoHud updates!
Man, I hope CC signs relatively soon
Enjoy your vacation Pete, hurry back though.
No fear guys CC is gonna have his holliday feast before he even considers signing. Pete will only be posting important stuff thats what he was trying to say.
I think the Yankees should send CC as big a turkey as he wants.
Turkey on steroids if he desires it
…just kidding about the steroids part.
Ive seen this before. Pete loves this blog, he cant stay away. We’ll be fine…
lol have fun pete
An interesting turn of events…
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
Have fun Peter.
Seems like everytime Peter takes a vacay….things start to happen. CC signing soon then??? Lets hope.
repost from last thread:
“I’m assuming theres a stat that combines the two? ERA adjusted for park, league and defense?”
Patrick,
Sort of. This gets a bit complicated. There’s a number of stats that create adjusted ERA’s. No consensus on what the “best” is.
The stats I was citing was the most widely used fielding adjusted ERA stat – called FIP. I actually don’t like it very much but it’s the one most people use and familiar with so it’s good enough. I don’t want to get even more obscure on an already obscure subject.
That said the best adjusted pitching stat I’ve seen is called tRA. tRA adjusts for defense and ball park factors. It also sort of adjusts for league ERA but does so in a completely different way than ERA+ (it uses some regression analysis – nothing complicated but it is done through regression where ERA+ is not).
It’s available through a small (but very good) site called statcorner:
Here’s the explanation:
http://statcorner.com/tRAabout.html
Enjoy Peter. And remember, designate a driver. No Joba/Leyritz situations please.
Wow that SI article was written by a 4th grader. Some ridiculous spelling including the page title
Ned Coletti is taking priority for Manny over CC
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
From previous:
“anyone who starts using these new modern stat equations/#’s like ERA+ to win an argument or to state their case is hogwash…while basic #’s are a big part in reviewing a players career, your eyes and what you saw are worth more.”
Steve Hirdt, who is I guess the face for Elias sports, was on Bob Costas baseball town hall show earlier this year on HBO had a funny story regarding these uber stats.
He told a story of how someone asked him if he could compile the WHIP for Cy Young and he just responded along the lines of “Really, It’s Cy Young. Do you really need to know his WHIP to know how good he was?”
Interestingly enough, Cy Young’s career WHIP is 1.13. Good for 36th all time.
More interesting,
Mo is 3rd all time (you need 1,000 innings to qualify)
Pedro is 5th (which is pretty amazing)
Santana is 20th
Sabathia is 244th (140 million!!)
http://www.baseball-reference......reer.shtml
You would think CC would sign BEFORE Thanksgiving. His weight will increase heavily, which could cause less money
Enjoy your time off!
Found this dont know how old it is. Obviously no sound evidence involved but its not out of the question. Seems like Theo and Co don’t mind getting rid of an icon when they perceive the player is on the decline. (Damon, Pedro, Nomar etc)
http://www.fannation.com/truth.....view/78411
“Ned Coletti is taking priority for Manny over CC
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/”
Of course he is. We all saw what Manny did for that team down the stretch. He is a big part of that clubhouse now and more importantly the line-up. Same deal with the Angels they are gonna make it very hard for him to come East and sign with the Sux since they traded Kotchman for him and he protects Vladdy in the line-up.
“Ned Coletti is taking priority for Manny over CC”
That’s not really what he said.
Ortiz being shopped? lol hahas.
The Dodgers were never the serious threat for CC… it was always the SF Giants.
The Angels could eventually be a threat if Teixeria doesn’t adhere to their deadline and they go in a different direction. If they are willing to give Teix a $160 million dollar contract, I’d imagine they would have no problem giving CC a Santana-type deal.
Al… you like the Crawford-Harrington swap?
“Ortiz being shopped? lol hahas.”
Guess Theo sees Ortiz as useless without his bash-brother.
“Ortiz being shopped? lol hahas.”
Sort of interesting. He only makes $12.5M per over the next three seasons. They’d obviously never trade them to the Yankees, but there are enough AL teams looking for a big out there and he’d be viewed as pretty affordable given the numbers discussed in the case of Ramirez and Teixeira.
Doesn’t it say something that both the Red Sox and Angels, two of the best run organization in baseball who are normally fiscally responsible, are both willing to give Teixeria the highest contract in their franchise’s history? The Sox are even willing to eat Lowell’s salary and move their star 1B to a different position to accommodate Teixeria.
That must say something about how good Teixeria is.
“Al… you like the Crawford-Harrington swap?”
Strictly for the cap situation. Summer 2010 is now only a season away and I think Donnie Walsh is doing his due diligence to clear room for Lebron/Bosh.
“If my 401-K wasn’t reduced to 17 cents, I might have gone to play blackjack.”
My 401K is now a 125K…
Think I’ll go listen to Springsteen’s ‘Nebraska’ album now…
Trading Ortiz would be very smart
Lowell to DH, Youkallis to 3rd, Teixeria at 1st, Frucal at SS, Saltalamhacia/Varitek platoon at catcher.
“Doesn’t it say something that both the Red Sox and Angels, two of the best run organization in baseball who are normally fiscally responsible, are both willing to give Teixeria the highest contract in their franchise’s history? The Sox are even willing to eat Lowell’s salary and move their star 1B to a different position to accommodate Teixeria.
That must say something about how good Teixeria is.”
It also says something that we are the team that actually needs a 1B and we are instead settling for Nick Swisher. CC needs to sign here just so we can save face.
Pete -
Enjoy your vacation, and I hope MLB Hot Stove cooperates and lets you really enjoy.
We’re going to be away this week as well (Disney World) so I’m hoping CC and Friends choose to wait until after they’ve consumed their holiday Turkey and 3 days of leftovers before realizing they have to go food shopping again and decide to accept the highest bid!
Again – Enjoy!
AL,
e-mail me at nyczextreme@hotmail.com .
Doreen, which Disney you going to? Cali or Fl?
If LAA/BOS think Teixiera is worth 8/$160, then Cashman should as well and should get involved in the bidding.
Boston doesn’t even need a 1st baseman and they are willing to give him a record contract.
Pete – enjoy your time off.
Doreen – have fun in Disney World. How can you not have fun there!
Torri Hunter signed Thanksgiving morning with the Angels. White Sox also signed Linebrink that morning I believe.
disney world is in FL, land is in CA
“AL,
e-mail me at nyczextreme@hotmail.com .”
Ed- Thanks for the email addy. Whenever I wanna ask you something off LoHud I’ll hit you up there I guess.
Looks like Ricciardi is willing to give Burnett 5 years.
We may have to match that if we miss out on CC.
Al,
e-mail me back, so i could give you my real e-mail
Okay Ed sent.
The FO knew it would have to go 5 years with Burnett. In spite of his injury history, AJ’s a very hot commodity. His stuff is filthy and he’s not priced out of market like CC is.
Burnett is a more feasible option for many teams.
If the Yankees wrap up Burnett, and CC’s still hemming and hawing about NY, I could see the offer being taken off the table. And if the Yankees chose not to re-engage with CC, his leverage with the west coast teams could plummet and the teams could really haggle with him.
hopefully well sign CC before you get back. Until then lets hope the Yanks can win the battle for Burnett with Boston
As much as I would love to say yes to MOOSE going to the HOF, unfortunately I can’t. He didn’t attain any of the “magical” benchmarks- Cy Young, World Series Ring, MVP, 300 wins, etc. It is sad to say, but he is exactly the guy you DON’T vote in. He is the borderline candidate that does NOT make it in that makes the hall of fame what it is…extremely special for only a select few. Sorry Moose, it doesn’t change the great career you had or the way I will remember you, but I say no to HOF.
If we DONT get CC, I say we take the picks from Abreu, and Giambi, and then sign someone smaller like Garland, and then let the farm fully grow and bite the bullet. Go with a rotation of
Wang
Garland
Pettitte
Chamberlain
Coke
and hope for the best. If we dont make the playoffs, then at least we got some picks out of it. But why get just Burnett, or Burnett and Lowe, when those 2 will not do anything to turn our team into a playoff team, especially is Bos get Teixiera. Sabathia is the only pitcher that will turn our team into an actual threat imo.
Have a great well-deserved break Pete!
Just read the rumor (for the 1000th time) about Boston sending Lugo for Dontrelle.
Here’s my question — what the heck happened to Dontrelle for him to lose it so completely?
Was he a PED user or something?
It just seems really strange that a pitcher we were talking about trading all our prospects for a few seasons back is now a salary dump and can’t make a rotation while he’s still under 30.
I guess the Red Sox thinking is they can fix him if they do it, but what needs fixing? He’s fallen off so big from where he was I was curious if anyone had an opinion on what happened with him.
Pete—
First of all have a great tiem with your family and friends. You’ve earned it!
Second… couldn’t you designate one of the regulars to start a new topic a couple of times a day to keep things active and fiesty around here?
I’d absolutely move Burnett to the bullpen
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving Pete.
A 2 week vacation?? must be nice, must be nice U have the best blog out there- so I guess u deserve it…Enjoy
if i had to guess, i’d think something went wrong with Dontrelle Willis’ mechanics and doubt he took anything. it is strange though.
off-topic, but i need fantasy football advice (and i’m extremely bored). Who to start this weekend.
QB: Matt Ryan (vs CAR) or Brady Quinn (vs HOU)?
TE: Kevin Boss (@ ARI) or Owen Daniels (@ CLE)?
“As much as I would love to say yes to MOOSE going to the HOF, unfortunately I can’t. He didn’t attain any of the “magical” benchmarks- Cy Young, World Series Ring, MVP, 300 wins, etc. It is sad to say, but he is exactly the guy you DON’T vote in. ”
congratulations on being a moron.
i hope that works out for you.
Pete, you and the family have a great holiday. Enjoy the time off!
Matt Ryan and Owen Daniels, next question.
And there we go again today. As evidenced by today’s trade, and I understand the Knicks trying to downsize the cap to make room for possibly Lebron, but we couldnt give up Malik Rose or someone else with years and $$ on their contract, we had to give up Crawford. I guess New York is no Boston, we cant get a something for nothing.
“Matt Ryan and Owen Daniels, next question.”
WR: Antonio Bryant (at DET) or Kevin Walter (at CLE)?
Have a good one Pete. While you’re away I’m sure the Yanks will sign CC and Burnett.
Pete, FYI, blackjack and other table games opened last week at the Tampa Hard Rock Casino. Meet you down there during spring training!
Bye Bye Zach Randolph and Mardy Collins
Busy day in Knicks land
Have a good vaca, Pete. You deserve it.
Steve Lombardee
November 21st, 2008 at 4:39 pm
And there we go again today. As evidenced by today’s trade, and I understand the Knicks trying to downsize the cap to make room for possibly Lebron, but we couldnt give up Malik Rose or someone else with years and $$ on their contract, we had to give up Crawford. I guess New York is no Boston, we cant get a something for nothing.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but, doesn’t it take at least two teams to make a trade, and doesn’t the other team need to want the player and don’t they need to have the money to pay the player?
Joe
November 21st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
As much as I would love to say yes to MOOSE going to the HOF, unfortunately I can’t. He didn’t attain any of the “magical” benchmarks- Cy Young, World Series Ring, MVP, 300 wins, etc. It is sad to say, but he is exactly the guy you DON’T vote in. He is the borderline candidate that does NOT make it in that makes the hall of fame what it is…extremely special for only a select few. Sorry Moose, it doesn’t change the great career you had or the way I will remember you, but I say no to HOF.
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You mean the great Hall Of Fame players like Rabbit Maranville, Ross Youngs, Rick Farrell, Peewee Reese, Phil Rizzuto and Kirby Puckett?
I’m a little down on Houston’s offense. Anyway, let’s talk about the Offensive Player that Feinsand says the Yankees plan to pick up. Can’t be Cameron, can it?
The Knicks are going to suck this year. They’re lottery bound now with these trades. So hopefully they can get Stephen Curry.
People who think Moose doesn’t belong in the HOF need to go to Cooperstown and remove at least a quarter of the plaques of players who had careers inferior to his.
Ed –
Going to Orlando. We’ve been to the Cali one once. Love to get back there at some point. I hate to say it, but we’re really a “Disney family.” Sounds corny, but it’s the one place we go on vacation that makes everyone happy – my husband feels like a kid (and acts like one) there and for a family that needs to keep everyone busy it fits the bill.
No problem Pete, I spent 20 years on the road living in sleazy hotels, saved all my money in my 401k, my company stock is down to a whopping .43 cents, I lost a fortune, will work until my dirt nap.
At least I have my health. That’s why I come here to forget about all that stuff.
Have a great vacation Pete, although you know all hell’s going to break loose your first day off.
Doreen,
You’ll have to head my way. There’s going to be a Disney resort opening in ‘10. You can time it with winter baseball.
Going to Orlando. We’ve been to the Cali one once. Love to get back there at some point. I hate to say it, but we’re really a “Disney family.” Sounds corny, but it’s the one place we go on vacation that makes everyone happy – my husband feels like a kid (and acts like one) there and for a family that needs to keep everyone busy it fits the bill.”
Same with my family. We stay at the Wilderness Lodge every year. Spent Christmas there last year
Have fun on your trip Doreen!
Okay, what’s in the water at the Garden and on the wrong side of the Staples Center? Now I’m reading Mobley & Thomas for Randolph?
I’m not real sure, but I think Tim Thomas played for D’antoni about 20 years ago. He’s not a bad player. Certainly better than Randolph.
Gherig -
We’re spending Thanksgiving at the Wilderness Lodge! Great place.
mel -
Disney in Hawaii????
We’ve been resistant to going to Hawaii for years. (Very long plane trip.) We’ve convinced ourselves that Bermuda is the “next best thing.”
But, THAT would get us there, I assure you!
I nominate Mel to take over for Pete.
Clint
November 21st, 2008 at 5:39 pm
I nominate Mel to take over for Pete.
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Not a chance. Mel’s a tyrant….a real life Simon Legree.
Sorry, Clint, but this blog needs to remain officially pro-CC-to-the-Yankees over the holiday.
lol, Clint.
There’d be a coup d’etat (sp?) in the palace. It would become a Laker blog until 12/1.
I think S.o.S. is the entertainment director. Like Gopher on the Love Boat. Classic!
One the other hand, Mel is a “BABE”, and being a Simon Legree, I’m sure she has quite a collection of whips.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Have a nice vacation, Pete.
What about a guest blogger to blog while Pete is gone? I assume that Pete has Hankenstein’s cell. Since Hank is not really in charge, he should blog his insights including the Boston Red Sox being aligned with Al Qaeda.
Maybe Hank should take over the blog…that would be..fun?
It’s the weekend then the short week and holiday, Hank probably has a few 2-day card games coming up.
pete:
how will we survive?
that’s it i have to put my shrink on speed-dial.
j/k.enjoy you’re well deserved break and thanks for keeping us informed and being as or almost as passionate about the yankees as we are.
Is this thing broken?
Just took a nap for about an hour.
“Is this thing broken?”
oddly enough, it appears that people are actually busy doing other things on a Friday night.
The site was down for about an hour.
The mobile version changed again…
Friday night? It’s only just after 4 pm.
(insert winky emoticon here)
The mobile version looks like it just got worse, too. That’s your pre-vacation parting gift, Pete?
Pete goes away, and this thing breaks down.
Without this blog, it’s hard to get maximum mileage out of my theory that the Knicks are actually clearing up cap room to make a run at CC. He would clog up the paint like none other.
CC would certainly be a factor in the paint, would hope the Knicks would be ready for LeBron though.
G. Love ;
With Dontrelle Willis it’s partly his head and pitching mechanics.
The Tigers had him all the way down to High A Lakeland to fix him with little for results.
With Boston, they’re looking to Lugo as a salary dump as much as Detroit seeing Willis as a salary dump. Equal problem for equal problem.
Doreen
November 21st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Gherig –
We’re spending Thanksgiving at the Wilderness Lodge! Great place.
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WL is the best resort in Disney. But our home resort for DVC is Saratoga. I’ve been down there for Thanksgiving once, and stayed at the Boardwalk, and it was nice, but not like Christmas at the Lodge.
Good day for the Knicks. Z-bo and Crawford the 2 biggest contracts gone.
What about Larry Johnson’s contract? Isn’t he still on the books until 2019?
Al from BK( Its time to start weighing our options beyond CC.)
November 21st, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Good day for the Knicks. Z-bo and Crawford the 2 biggest contracts gone.
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If only we can get CC and possibly Burnett, it will be a great time to be a NY Sports fan
Yankees – Improving their team (if what I said above comes to fruition)
Knicks – Getting serious about LeBron, and still winning (lets hope)
Rangers – Tearing it up
Giants – What more is there to say?
Jets – Doing very well, in first place, and dont look like their slowing down.
Maybe we could get LJ to make a come back.
If the Knicks ever got LeBron.
Too bad Isiah got ousted. I’m almost sure we could’ve convinced him to take on A-rod’s contract.
Tonight’s culinary recruiting pitch is for Mark Teixeira.
Portuguese Bean Soup. Mmmmm.
CC to the Knicks?
LeBron to the Yankees in 2010?
Eddie Curry to Weight Watchers?
Arod can still lead us — wait, correction — Arod can still accompany us to the promised land!
the yankees need to dump salary .keep mo,he was the best investment.
sign cc,tex,trade for a cf & a good young pitcher.
Why does it take a 2-3 games for players to play after being traded in the NBA?
Tom, they all have to take physicals.
Funny thing is, 2-3 games in the NBA is almost a week
I heard that LeBron has something in his Nike’s contract that says that he will get paid more if he plays in NY…….. Some thought that meant that he would be playing for his pal JayZ– but the Nets are having problems with building in Brooklyn…. so that means that LBJ might be playing for the Knicks
Phil, I know that. It just seems that they really thake their time. Wasn’t Nady traded on Friday and in the lineup on Saturday?
I didn’t know former President (and bad one at that) Lyndon Baines Johnson might play for the Knicks?
What with being dead for 35 years and all.
Rob, I heard that LBJ may replace Kennedy in the rotation next season…
Tom,
I’m guessing Cashman saw Nady’s records when they were at Pittsburgh during the interleague?
True, LBJ has been dead for 35 years, but on the other hand he could keep Marbury company on the bench.
Rob
You need a history lesson, LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He inherited a war I protested, he wasn’t a bad President.
LJ had a gold tooth, LBJ didn’t.
Doreen & Gehrig,
We’ve been DVC members since 1993, the original DVC which is now Old Key West, about 25 trips down. Not knowing how often you folks get there, let me know if you want any info I may be able to help with.
here is a scary question.
what happens if joba & wang get hurt right now?
name our starting rotation.keep in mind pettite is not signed.
Doomsday scenarios before Thansgiving?
Noooooooooo!
Hank could write a blog about his favorite brand of cigarettes and Heineken.
RonH
November 21st, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Doreen & Gehrig,
We’ve been DVC members since 1993, the original DVC which is now Old Key West, about 25 trips down. Not knowing how often you folks get there, let me know if you want any info I may be able to help with.”
Was there this past August. It was pretty nice. But didnt spend much time at the hotel though. Not to mention it was during a Tropical Storm
Would 7/150 be more attractive to Text than 8/160?
I believe Teixiera wants 8 years.
Go Nets!
What I find crazy is, with all of the Arod controversy last year, he was still signed by Nov. 16th
Not to mention his contract was alot more difficult than CC’s.
Nobody else wanted Arod
“bru November 21st, 2008 at 9:23 pm
here is a scary question.
what happens if joba & wang get hurt right now?
name our starting rotation.keep in mind pettite is not signed.”
bru-you would have to join the rotation.
Starting Rotation:
Hank Steinbrenner
Alfredo Aceves
Ian Kennedy
Felix Lopez
bru
Championship.
Yeah but weren’t the Angels at least “interested?”
We all know 10/270 was only coming from one team, but he would have gotten 8/200 from someone else
How far has Igawa fallen?
S.A didn’t even include him in the nightmare rotation.
“here is a scary question.
what happens if joba & wang get hurt right now?
name our starting rotation.keep in mind pettite is not signed.”
The exact same thing that would happen if Beckett and Lester got hurt…. We’d be screwed
Without Sabathia which is a possibility unlike Wang AND Chamberlain getting hurt
Wang
Pettitte
Hughes
Coke/Aceves
Chamberlain
I know it hurts to look at that, but its possible
Wang
Pettitte
Hughes
Coke/Aceves
Chamberlain
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That looks better than the nightmare rotation I came up with.
“The exact same thing that would happen if Beckett and Lester got hurt…. We’d be screwed”
Really? I think it would help us.
well yeah nick…. we’d be screwed if Joba/Wang got hurt, they’d be screwed if Beckett and Lester got hurt.. lol
Haha! Who cares if the Sox are screwed.
“Nobody else wanted Arod ”
I wouldn’t say that. I’d say that nobody else could afford A-Rod. After the season he had, he was due a King’s ransom. Only the Yankees had the Benjamin’s to pay it. This is also why A-Rod will serve out his years under that contract. There’s no where to send him (not that I want him to go).
Laura, you quoted my words but you didn’t quote my emotion.
Sad thoughts.
I heard a rumor that Detroit wanted A-Rod last Winter before trading for the thirdbaseman formerly known as Cabrera.
They supposedly offered more money.
More money than what?
More than LoHud offered, you mean?
I for one really wish we took a harder line with A-rod. I think (but i certainly don’t hope this happens) that he’s going to be unproductive in the final years.
Wang, Pettitte, Hughes, Coke/Aceves, Chamberlain
Yeah lots of kids. Could definitely happen. If that’s the case I look forward to seeing Garcia, Betances, McAllisters and Brackman get their shots.
At that point the organization really has to be thinking about rebuilding because you just don’t win without pitching, especially when it’s young and unestablished.
on the night when Crawford and Randolph gotten traded, the Knicks gets blown by the Bucks? LOL hahahahas…
Could you imagine being so good that two years before you’re a free agent teams are making trades to make room for you!!
Good Point JoeT.
Ed,
The more losses the better at this point. We don’t own our pick in 2010, this year is our final chance to get a good young player in the lottery.
Yank1,
huh? what you talking about?
…your comment has nothing to do with mines.
It’s actually kind of sad and awkward watching the Knicks now. We all know that the everyone on the team is playing on borrowed time and can be traded at any day or time. We’re not trying to win, we’re trying to just get warm bodies on 2 year deals. The players themselves know they are all collective stopgaps. And its for, at best a 50/50 shot at a franchise player in 2010 that may not even come.
I agree with the strategy 100% and most Knicks fans do, but it is strange. Isiah put us in this position and this was the only way out. We should have done this a long time ago.
Rhapsody, LBJ took all the credit for what Bobby Kennedy thought of and fought for. The Civil Rights Act.
I wish the Knicks could rebuild like the Nets, but we never had commodities that commanded young players/picks like Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson.
Nets blew it up but are working from the ground up with young players and building blocks. Guys who are going to be together for a while (Carter, Harris, YI, Lopez, Anderson, Williams). The Knicks are just holding the fort with the Chris Duhons and Cuintino Mobleys of the world. Nets have a very bright future even without LeBron or the 2010 class, Knicks need the 2010 class at all costs.
The Nets could even choose to go after Joe Johnson or Dwayne Wade, as for the Knicks it’s about time they focused on the salary cap. ABOUT TIME.
The Nets are a very very well talented team they just need a coach.
Nets have a bright future but none of those players are superstars in the making. They’re good potential role players. You stars to win in the NBA. There is a difference between having good young off the bench players and having good young star like talent such as the Bulls. So unless they get a LeBron James or Bosh or Wade they’re not winning a championship either.
Brandon – thoughts on today’s Knick moves?
“Brandon – thoughts on today’s Knick moves?”
For some reason this song has part of my thoughts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02jxTbPAKIs
$100 says Pete winds up at Foxwoods or some casino at some point during his break.
this is why the knicks will always be pathetic
thet trade away their 2 best players for nothing. we were 6-3!!! we could have snuck into the playoffs!! instead they gave away 2 20 point scorers all-star players for washed up guys like tim thomas and mobeley.
just terrible
and why are they benching marbury? he is the best player on the team and is motivated. he is the only true pg on the roster. he was a good soldier here after larry brown saga and they treat him like dirt
Trevor, I disagree with you, devin harris is a superstar in the making and is still extremely young, he is going to be great if not already, brook lopez is a flat out stud even though he is only a rookie, he will be special, the other guy to watch is anderson, he could be very good too. I agree with u about yi, boone (who i dont like) and the others, but those three, i believe will be standout players. Lopez has already had a 25 and 10 or 25 and 11 night as a rookie and he has only started a few games,harris has had 30 or more in 4 out of the last 5 games, and anderson has already had a couple big games,15 points and 17 points off the bench, and can shoot the 3 extremely well and rebound really well.
“and why are they benching marbury? he is the best player on the team and is motivated. he is the only true pg on the roster. he was a good soldier here after larry brown saga and they treat him like dirt”
Because he’s a CANCER ! the players don’t want to play with him ! they rather sit or not give full effort if he steps on that court. Today after the deal D’AnPhoni went to him and told him I got 30-35 mins for you if you want them, Marbury turned it down and chose to sit. He wants a buyout, D’AnPhoni doesn’t like him since it was in yr. 1 at PHX that Marbury sabotaged his team when he cam in for the then fired Frank Johnson and Scott Skiles.
“thet trade away their 2 best players for nothing. we were 6-3!!! we could have snuck into the playoffs!! instead they gave away 2 20 point scorers all-star players for washed up guys like tim thomas and mobeley.
just terrible”
You literally can’t be this stupid as of 2010 they are at 25 million under the cap ! This is about 2010 one day landing a star top 10 player before he hits his prime, a Dwayne Wade on the Knicks a LeBron James, a Joe Johnson a Chris Bosh ! Who the hell would turn that down ! for Z-Bo someone that is just playing a mean streak because it’s ok but really has absolutely no future. It’s called REBUILDING get w/ it or GET OUT !
“Trevor, I disagree with you, devin harris is a superstar in the making and is still extremely young, he is going to be great if not already, brook lopez is a flat out stud even though he is only a rookie, he will be special, the other guy to watch is anderson, he could be very good too. I agree with u about yi, boone (who i dont like) and the others, but those three, i believe will be standout players. Lopez has already had a 25 and 10 or 25 and 11 night as a rookie and he has only started a few games,harris has had 30 or more in 4 out of the last 5 games, and anderson has already had a couple big games,15 points and 17 points off the bench, and can shoot the 3 extremely well and rebound really well.”
The Nets should have a better record than what they currently have I compared Brook to a poor man’s Tim Duncan and you can cleary see it on the floor, his IQ is to another level and his offensive skill mirrors in yr. 1 a 5 yr. medium vet. The upside on that kid will improve when NJ pairs him w/ a guy like a Chris Wilcox or a Chris Kaman a post option that can defend and take on double teams. Devin Harris is an athletic Tony Parker, he’s a clutch player and a dangerous player off the dribble. Yi and Boone are very raw if they have any sense they’d package them for a stud frontcourt player, a Gerald Wallace or the 2 post options I mentioned. The game to take Lopez serious was that game vs Atlanta he dominate Al Horford throughout the game and closed down the paint, he’s going to be a top 15 big in a few yrs.
Gehrig,
Sorry to be nitpicky, but there won’t be any picks for Giambi. He’s not type A, and more importantly, it’s HIGHLY unlikely that Cash will offer him arbitration.
“For some reason this song has part of my thoughts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02jxTbPAKIs ”
I love that song
According to the Daily News the Yanks are saying (rightfully so) that 5 years is too long for A J Burnett. Things are going to get interesting in about 2 weeks.The market will start taking more shape and Burnett will find that no one is going to offer him 5 years.
Yanks must get CC,after that they have to get Tex..I’ll go into a season with CC,Wang,Joba,Andy,Hughes as SP’s…sign SP after the top three are gone.
AJW
And he was saddled with a war that JFK started.
I would chase after CC,Tex & O Perez in that order..try to get a utility player that can play the infield and outfield positions with some POP!!
Another article, 5 years too much for Burnett, he sure won’t get 5 years from Boston.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....?track=rss
joeman
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:45 am
I would chase after CC,Tex & O Perez in that order..try to get a utility player that can play the infield and outfield positions with some POP!!
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Ty Wigginton is the utility man to get.
“Boston Herald – The Yankees dealt for Nick Swisher, more of a first baseman than outfielder, but one industry source suggested this move could be a prelude to another deal with a National League club, keeping first base open for Mark Teixeira.”
http://www.bostonherald.com/sp.....position=2
Ron H -
We’re DVC members since ‘95! Old Key West – best vacation accommodations!
Best thing we ever did.
(Side note, we were at Disney in ‘93 and had received a mailing about the DVC and I was trying to talk my husband into it, but at the time, he wasn’t ready – Mr. Disney himself, I should add. So I am constantly teasing him that we lost out on 2 years of free park passes because he didn’t want to sit through a short presentation –
)
We’ve got reservations for May to stay in the new Animal Kingdom resort with a Savannah view. Can’t wait!
I’ve been secretly hoping for Russell Branyan as a bench player next season.
He has a .826 career .OPS vs RHP. He can play 1st, 3rd, LF, and RF.
He’s flawed, low BA and cannot hit LHP to save his life, but, he could be a useful power bat off the bench.
Doreen, I agree the OKW accomodations are the best. We’ve stayed at Saratoga Springs and the BCV which are equally nice but smaller than OKW. The larger homes are better traveling with kids too. I do have to say the free park passes through 2000 were great. My wife and I used to go down twice a year before our son was born in 2000.
We were just at OKW for 10 days in late October. Hopefully back again next October, most likely at OKW again.
Im going down to WDW for the marathon weekend, and staying at the Beach Club Villas for the first time.
RhapsodyInBlue
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:35 am
AJW
And he was saddled with a war that JFK started.
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Not to burst your bubble, but the Vietnam War and the US involvement started when the US, under Eisenhower sent massive aid to the French to control the Viet Minh in the in 1954. The US sent supplies, ubing American aircraft and pilots, sent US AirForce maintenance personnel and advisors. It was US pilots that were bombing the Viet Minh during the Battle Of Dien Bien Phu in 1954. Two US pilots were killed.
Gherig –
Beach Club Villas are beautiful and have a great – GREAT – pool area.
Ron H -
I think we’ve stayed just about everywhere. OKW definitely the largest rooms and the best with kids. We liked Boardwalk and BVC because you could walk to Epcot and take the boat to the Studios, so it was different and a nice change from the buses.
If you haven’t visited the rooms in the new Animal Kingdom resort yet – they’re larger than BVC, Boardwalk and Saratoga Springs, but slightly smaller than OKW. They do have an extra bathroom, though, and the chair in the main living area turns into a bed, so it now sleeps 5 instead of 4.
And to the rest of you – apologize for the off-topic stuff.
Doreen, thanks for the room info on Animal Kingdom Lodge, I haven’t checked it out. We often valet park at the Beach Club in the evenings to take the walk over to Epcot through the “back door.”
The hardest working man in journalism needs a break sometimes too.
Have a restful and relaxing week Pete. Happy Turkey Day!
No Pete on the FAN at 9:40. I notice he took the note above off also. Change in plans I guess.
The early returns on Ian Kennedy in Puerto Rico are mixed. Through his first three starts, Kennedy has a 3.55 ERA in 12 2/3 innings. The strikeouts (14) are up, but so are the walks (9).
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The other Yankees arm deployed in Puerto Rico belongs to Jonathan Albaladejo, who seems to be recovering nicely from a sprained elbow ligament. He’s 2-for-2 through Thursday in save opportunities and has a 0.67 WHIP for his Mayaguez team.
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Second baseman Damon Sublett was the Yanks’ best hitter in the Hawaiian Winter League, which called it a winter last week. Sublett hit .282 with 18 RBIs in 20 games.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11.....140147.htm
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Morning
Does anybody else feel that its crucial that we open our new stadium with a championship? I know every year its all or nothing but we only have one FIRST year in our new stadium! Odds are we are not going to sign CC, Burnett, Tex and Lowe. Nor do I want to. For a successful off season Cashman is going to have make a significant trade. Our strengths are Payroll flexability and prospects. Teams like Marlins, Diamondbacks, Padres, and Astros to name a few are all looking to shed payroll. I like Cano, Hughes, and Ajax a lot, but if we can significantly improve our team NEXT year by trading them I say go for it. They can and will be replaced. If Cashman can pull it off without trading a Cano or Hughes even better. Our farm is stocked we have some picks coming in, if not now when? So what trades are out there that nobody is talking about? Dan Haren, Peavey with Gonzalez, Carlos Lee are just a few ideas that come to mind. Any other ideas?
Tarheelyank
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:27 am
Does anybody else feel that its crucial that we open our new stadium with a championship? I know every year its all or nothing but we only have one FIRST year in our new stadium! Odds are we are not going to sign CC, Burnett, Tex and Lowe. Nor do I want to. For a successful off season Cashman is going to have make a significant trade. Our strengths are Payroll flexability and prospects. Teams like Marlins, Diamondbacks, Padres, and Astros to name a few are all looking to shed payroll. I like Cano, Hughes, and Ajax a lot, but if we can significantly improve our team NEXT year by trading them I say go for it. They can and will be replaced. If Cashman can pull it off without trading a Cano or Hughes even better. Our farm is stocked we have some picks coming in, if not now when? So what trades are out there that nobody is talking about? Dan Haren, Peavey with Gonzalez, Carlos Lee are just a few ideas that come to mind. Any other ideas?
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How do you propose to replace Cano with? Hudson/ he’s no a replacement..he’s no better on defense, has next to no power, doesn’t steal bases, he’s 31 year old in December, wants a 5 year deal at 10-12 mil a year. There are no long term center field options available and other than Gardner and Cabrera, none in the system that’s within 3 years of maybe being ready. Free agency is the only option at this time to stay up with Boston and Tampa, and build for the near uture. Trading Hughes is foolhardy.
***Who do you propose***
Doreen
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:46 am
Gherig –
Beach Club Villas are beautiful and have a great – GREAT – pool area.
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We booked at the BCV with the pool being the main reason we were staying there, since we dont intend on park hopping much. But unfortunetly, the first time we stay there, the pool area is closed down…
Do not miss the next big world championship coming up on Thursday. The 2008 World Championship “Punkin’ Chunkin’” on the Discovery Channel.
Gehrig -
That’s really too bad about the pool being closed. Will you have privileges at another pool?
Tarheel Yank -
Crucial? No. But it would be great it if happened and I think it needs to be the goal. But if they don’t do it, life, and the new stadium will go on.
If they have a great season but fall short of a championship, I don’t think it’s a major problem. If they finish third again, however, without making the playoffs at all, then I don’t know…
Which debate will LoHud settle first: Vietnam or centerfield?
Gehrig, you can pool hop at most of the other DVC resorts unless they specifically prohibit it at the time. OKW and Saratoga Springs have neat slides for kids, big and small.
Gehrig, you can pool hop at most of the other DVC resorts unless they specifically prohibit it at the time. OKW and Saratoga Springs have neat slides for kids, big and small.”
Yeah, the slides keep the little ones occupied for a while. I just enjoy the pool design at BCV, and its one of the pools that are prohibited all year round even for DVC members
Nick in SF
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:03 am
Which debate will LoHud settle first: Vietnam or centerfield?
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Debate is over. I won, 2-0.
It’s from the Post so take it for what it is:
“According to a person familiar with the club’s thinking, if only one of the pitchers from the free agent pool of CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Derek Lowe sign with the Yanks, they are set to be aggressive with switch-hitting free agent first baseman Mark Teixeira”
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11.....140148.htm
Tom
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:21 am
It’s from the Post so take it for what it is:
“According to a person familiar with the club’s thinking, if only one of the pitchers from the free agent pool of CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Derek Lowe sign with the Yanks, they are set to be aggressive with switch-hitting free agent first baseman Mark Teixeira”
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I’d take Burnett and Teixiera, I think. Sabathia has little or no chance of going to Boston and NYY could use that big bat. The question would be, will NYY gamble 5 years on Burnett?
I wouldn’t mind Burnett as an ancillary pickup if we have already managed to bag Sabathia, but as a stand-alone, I wouldn’t be thrilled with Burnett.
On the other hand, if we can get an arm and it doesn’t cost us any young pitching or position prospects, there’s no real downside I suppose.
If we could just land the big lefty I think we’d be fine. We re-sign Pettitte, and that means house money, because you have a lefty as your 3 or 4 guy.
I guess Teixeira solves our 3-hitter dilemma, but it also effectively means the end of Juan Miranda here. That makes my heart sink a little, because of his lefty power.
Of course I’d much rather have CC and Teixeira. Why not just sign Sheets and Penny to short term (incentive-laden) deals instead of either one of Burnett and Lowe?
bodhisattva
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:45 am
I wouldn’t mind Burnett as an ancillary pickup if we have already managed to bag Sabathia, but as a stand-alone, I wouldn’t be thrilled with Burnett.
On the other hand, if we can get an arm and it doesn’t cost us any young pitching or position prospects, there’s no real downside I suppose.
If we could just land the big lefty I think we’d be fine. We re-sign Pettitte, and that means house money, because you have a lefty as your 3 or 4 guy.
I guess Teixeira solves our 3-hitter dilemma, but it also effectively means the end of Juan Miranda here. That makes my heart sink a little, because of his lefty power.
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I really don’t want Teixiera that much, at least not that long, but, without Abreu and Giambi’s power, NYY needs that bat. Miranda would still need a solid platoon partner from the right side, and there’s not many around without going for a high cost like Konerko. NY needs one of the two pitchers and the bat.
I’d prefer that Sabathia went to the NL West and NYY sign Burnett and Teixiera, which effectively shuts Boston out of the big ticket items except for Lowe.
Good morning, guys.
GB & The Sunshine Band!
I’m fine going to ‘09 with Swisher, but I would take a top-flight pitcher (CC/AJ) plus Teixeira. With Swisher taking one of the corner OF spot.
I would prefer AJ for lots of reasons, but GB touched upon it. CC is not going to Boston. Boston & NY will split AJ & Lowe. I’d rather have Boston get Lowe.
With the demand for AJ, he’s going to get 5 years. It seems that, except for the Mets & Rays, both east divisions have targeted him.
5 years for AJ, 7 years for Teix. I don’t think that the Angels will go 8 for him. Just get it done and look at CF. But don’t look to hard. Sometimes the answer’s right under your nose.
GB7,
Jonathon Alba’s recovering very nicely. Can you give me a scouting report and where he projects? Would it be better for us to swap him for Edwar?
If the Yanks don’t sign CC, & they get Burnett, I could see Abreu getting an offer of more than one year. This is assuming Tex re-signs with the Halos.
I wonder if NYY would make run at Bobby Crosby if Oakland gets Furcal. Use Crosby as a utiity guy for a year and move him into the SS role and Jeter to left or first base. It would also allow Crosby to heal up properly and, hopefully get him healthy for a long run.
mel
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Good morning, guys.
GB & The Sunshine Band!
I’m fine going to ‘09 with Swisher, but I would take a top-flight pitcher (CC/AJ) plus Teixeira. With Swisher taking one of the corner OF spot.
I would prefer AJ for lots of reasons, but GB touched upon it. CC is not going to Boston. Boston & NY will split AJ & Lowe. I’d rather have Boston get Lowe.
With the demand for AJ, he’s going to get 5 years. It seems that, except for the Mets & Rays, both east divisions have targeted him.
5 years for AJ, 7 years for Teix. I don’t think that the Angels will go 8 for him. Just get it done and look at CF. But don’t look to hard. Sometimes the answer’s right under your nose.
GB7,
Jonathon Alba’s recovering very nicely. Can you give me a scouting report and where he projects? Would it be better for us to swap him for Edwar?
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Mel, I saw te impressive numbers by Albaladejo. That cn only be good things for NYY if he continues that. It would free Veras up for a trade with more of the excess pen like Ramirez and Britton, among others. They’ll be in high demand during the winter Meetings, I think.
I think I’d prefer Burnett at 4 years and 70 mil and an option over 5 years and 75 mil. sign Teixiera for a lot of money and a 6 year deal. Even with Pettitte coming back, NYY could save 20-25 mil over last year.
“Not to burst your bubble, but the Vietnam War and the US involvement started when the US, under Eisenhower sent massive aid to the French to control the Viet Minh in the in 1954. The US sent supplies, ubing American aircraft and pilots, sent US AirForce maintenance personnel and advisors. It was US pilots that were bombing the Viet Minh during the Battle Of Dien Bien Phu in 1954. Two US pilots were killed.”
True, but Eisenhower was only following the Truman document. The Vietnam conflict changed when John F. Kennedy took the Presidential oath of office in 1961.
Like Truman and Eisenhower, Kennedy felt the United States needed to contain the spread of Communism. Kennedy wanted to take more military action against Communist rebels. When Kennedy took office there were only 900 American military advisors in Vietnam.
Kennedy accelerated the flow of American aid and gradually increased the American military advisers to more than 16,000. Kennedy didn’t want to send in combat troops, but he did agree that there was a need for troops. He decided to increase the Green Beret forces and to send in more military equipment. The new U.S. advisors took a more active role in the fighting. Some of them went into combat with the ARVN forces.
Also a coup given tacit approval by the Kennedy administration, the South Vietnamese government was overthrown. President Diem, refusing an American offer of safety contingent upon his resignation, was assassinated.
GB7,
Good. It’s settled, then?
I’m headed out, but here’s something for you guys to debate:
*Ben Sheets. Worth it or not?*
mel
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:29 pm
GB7,
Good. It’s settled, then?
I’m headed out, but here’s something for you guys to debate:
Ben Sheets. Worth it or not?
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I’d rather have Manny Ramirez over Sheets, and I don’t want Ramirez.
Let’s try again. Of course he’s worth it. It won’t cost much.
*Should the Yankees pursue Ben Sheets?*
GB7,
Starks had an interesting entry about AJ/Sheets. I thought I should be at least open-minded about it. No comparison NL Central vs. AL East, but I want to see what pro-Sheets guys think.
I guess it would depend on Sheets’s elbow. Interestingly enough his most comparable player, according to Basball-Reference.com is A.J Burnett.
Also
When the news of the assassination reached Kennedy there was talk about Kennedy withdrawing the United States advisors from Vietnam. Three weeks later Kennedy too, was assassinated. These events changed the scope of the United States involvement in the Vietnam conflict.
We can debate all day long about who was responsible for American involvement in Viet Nam, but Kennedy is responsible for US Combat troops becoming actively involved.
And
LBJ was not a “bad” president as labeled by an earlier poster which started all this. Compared to who? I’m not a Democrat but felt the comments unfair to Johnson.
Mel -
NO to Ben Sheets. Too many injuries over the seasons, though I have heard they have been freakish injuries, like a torn lat muscle, which was said in the report I heard to be a difficult muscle to injure.
His latest injury, though, being in his pitching arm, doesn’t bode too well.
I see that when Pete’s away, the politicos will play, huh?
History Doreen not politics.
RhapsodyInBlue
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:26 pm
“Not to burst your bubble, but the Vietnam War and the US involvement started when the US, under Eisenhower sent massive aid to the French to control the Viet Minh in the in 1954. The US sent supplies, ubing American aircraft and pilots, sent US AirForce maintenance personnel and advisors. It was US pilots that were bombing the Viet Minh during the Battle Of Dien Bien Phu in 1954. Two US pilots were killed.”
True, but Eisenhower was only following the Truman document. The Vietnam conflict changed when John F. Kennedy took the Presidential oath of office in 1961.
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I know what went on in Vietnam, without reading it. I was located in the highlands, in Ho Chi Minnh’s home province. I spent three tours there in the late 60s. It still wasn’t Kennedy that committed the US troops.
John Foster Dulles wanted ground troops there in 1954 and the proposal was narrowly turned down by congress.
It was after the BS with Dulles in 1961 and the with the CIA in ‘63 when they along with HC Lodge set the Diem assassinations in motion. Kennedy was not involved in that decision.
The exculation of the war was a trumped up charge by Johnson in the Gulf Of Tonkin, when he said the USS Maddox and again with the USS Turner Joy. It’s quite likely though that the two ships were above the 17th paralell and in North Vietnamese waters.
anyway…enough with the politics.
Correction: esculation of the war*** not: The exculation of the war
Two of brothers were there on the ground in the mid 60s.
It’s an endless debate but in totality I give credit LBJ for stepping down and also the equal rights bill of 1964, the escalation of the war and The Great Society not so much credit.
I’m done back to beisbal.
And thanks for your service GB7.
Tom
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:36 pm
I guess it would depend on Sheets’s elbow. Interestingly enough his most comparable player, according to Basball-Reference.com is A.J Burnett.
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The talent is nearly equal, but, Seets elbow is a tickingtme bomb. Burnett’s is healed and healthy. He had the surgery in ‘o3. there were complications in ‘06 with scar tissue tearing and it was cleaned up. If Sheets had already had the surgery, I’d probably go with him. since he hasn’t, I want no part of him. He hasn’t accomplished anything more than Burnett.
RhapsodyInBlue
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:04 pm
And thanks for your service GB7.
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That was my job, Rhap. It’s what I was best suited for, since I was too lazy to get a real job. Thank you for the words, though. Much appreciated.
“Should the YAnkees pursure Ben Sheets?”
We just got out from under Carl Pavano’s contract. SHeets & Burnett should not be the first choices for big-time long term contracts. And if we do have to resort to these two, there should be performance/innings incentives & team option years.
If injury-plagued guys falter for 2 years or pull up totally lame after 2 years, there should be an opt out for the team. It’s not like a guy who already made 20 million dollars over 3 or 4 years will be lining up at a soup kitchen if he doesn’t make another 5 or 10 million.
Player’s union should consider the team’s side of contracts like Curt Schilling’s last one if they have any problems with team options & durability incentives. I’m not saying the team should get a cost-free opt-out, but some kind of buy out at a lesser price should be considered.
at 2:35 est the AFL championship game is on milb.tv..tommy hanson is pitching so that should be fun
As far as buy-outs go…the player that wants one, needs to buy his contract from the team at a certain percentage of the remaining value.
correction: opt-outs
GB I got back from doing some errands but not too many posts ago you mentioned Bobby Crosby, and you know I respect your opinion but can we do better for the bench then a career .306 OBP %
I mean really Wilson Betemit’s bat was better than that.
Details would have to be worked out to prevent either side from getting screwed by the other, but some kind of opt-out should exist for when the next Carl Pavano comes along. Give him a fair chance to get well and compensate him fairly of course, but don’t bankrupt the team as he sits on his duff for most of a 4 year, $40 million deal.
Burnett and Sheets are red flags. Burnett maybe less so than Sheets … he’ll probably be fine most of the time but the past 8 years do show recurring health issues ao it’s a clear risk. Any player who’s had a spouse sign a pre-nup should understand the idea of protecting one’s self but still being fair in a worst case scenario.
Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:18 pm
GB I got back from doing some errands but not too many posts ago you mentioned Bobby Crosby, and you know I respect your opinion but can we do better for the bench then a career .306 OBP % I mean really Wilson Betemit’s bat was better than that.
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Depending on what Oakland wants for Crosby, he’d be a good utility option for one year and could take over for Jeter and shift Jeter. For the next three years, NYY doesn’t have much in the way of middle infield replacements. Crosby could be that, as well as getting some outfield and 1st base time/training. He’s got power, when healthy he can hit, and his strikeouts are coming down. More over, he’s a very good base runner with some speed. He’s a solid fielder…not spectacular, but, solid. Most of his hitting issues, I believe are because of constant hand injuries. He’s certainly better than Ransom or Betemit would be.
GB7,
How do you propose to replace Cano with? Hudson/ he’s no a replacement..he’s no better on defense, has next to no power, doesn’t steal bases, he’s 31 year old in December, wants a 5 year deal at 10-12 mil a year. There are no long term center field options available and other than Gardner and Cabrera, none in the system that’s within 3 years of maybe being ready. Free agency is the only option at this time to stay up with Boston and Tampa, and build for the near uture. Trading Hughes is foolhardy.
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I would also like to thank you for your service. I’m sure you have some amazing stories. My point is if it takes trading Cano and Ajax or whatever prospect to get somebody like a Haren or? We have to do it. And yes I take Cano over Hudson as well but a rotation of :
CC
Wang
Haren
Joba
Petite
Should get us to the World Series no matter who’s playing second. Think of the Beckett trade. The Sox gave up a couple of really good young players and it put them over the top. They also took Lowell “Off their hands” because the Marlins were shedding payroll. I’m sure the Sox still wish they had Sanchez and Ramirez, but you cant argue with the results. And that is the crux of what I’m trying to say. We target a team who needs to shed payroll, which has a player that will put us over the top and we pull the trigger. Don’t get me wrong I really like Hughes and Cano But if trading them gets us to the series this year I say go for it. I’m all for the free agent market whatever we can get, but it’s not going to be the only answer. Unless you think we can sign CC, Burnett and Tex which I doubt.
I am not denying that Rhapsody. I just don’t understand people that think that LBJ was the mind behind The Civil Rights Act. Bobby Kennedy would have made a great President. This country we live in right now could have been a lot different in many good ways if he was not assassinated.
I would also like to thank you for your service. I’m sure you have some amazing stories. My point is if it takes trading Cano and Ajax or whatever prospect to get somebody like a Haren or? We have to do it. And yes I take Cano over Hudson as well but a rotation of :
CC
Wang
Haren
Joba
Petite
Should get us to the World Series no matter who’s playing second. Think of the Beckett trade. The Sox gave up a couple of really good young players and it put them over the top. They also took Lowell “Off their hands” because the Marlins were shedding payroll. I’m sure the Sox still wish they had Sanchez and Ramirez, but you cant argue with the results. And that is the crux of what I’m trying to say. We target a team who needs to shed payroll, which has a player that will put us over the top and we pull the trigger. Don’t get me wrong I really like Hughes and Cano But if trading them gets us to the series this year I say go for it. I’m all for the free agent market whatever we can get, but it’s not going to be the only answer. Unless you think we can sign CC, Burnett and Tex which I doubt.
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No reason to trade off for pitchers like Haren and Peavy when free agency has better for just money. Neither are better than Santana, and NYY wouldn’t trade for him for that reason. Not only that, but Haren would become a FA soon and then there’s nothing left after giving up Cano and others.
Actually NYY could resign Pettitte and sign Burnett, Teixiera and Sabathia and still be below last year’s 209 mil payroll. Getting rid of Jackson with now long term center fielders coming along, makes zero sense. You’d spend more money every two years, patching it together. By next the 2010 season, NYY will know which pitchers they have that could or should be traded.
Thanks for the words, but, as I said, it was a job, and I enjoyed it. No…no stories to tell…at least none that I’d put on a sports board or tell to anybody but my two brothers. They also served and one also retired. They’re the only ones that I’ve ever talked to about it, other than my dad. He was a medic in WWII. That took guts.
AJW
Those were some tumultous times to live through.
I happen to believe that passing the equal rights act took a lot of courage and helped put a lot of that stuff behind us. One of the reasons it was accepted by the south is because it put forth by a southern, not a NY Yankee.
I can remember as a boy watching LBJ speak to the nation in black and white TV for the reasons he did, he wasn’t a very good speaker, but that speech was moving.
That piece of legislation was a long time coming, he bucked his own party and he deserves credit for what he did. That’s all I can say.
*tumultuous
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
AJW
Those were some tumultous times to live through.
I happen to believe that passing the equal rights act took a lot of courage and helped put a lot of that stuff behind us. One of the reasons it was accepted by the south is because it put forth by a southern, not a NY Yankee.
I can remember as a boy watching LBJ speak to the nation in black and white TV for the reasons he did, he wasn’t a very good speaker, but that speech was moving.
That piece of legislation was a long time coming, he bucked his own party and he deserves credit for what he did. That’s all I can say.
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It’s still hard to accept and difficult to believe that it was 45 years ago today.
I really love how the second Pete leaves the room we start debating politics/Vietnam! Great stuff!
It is a slow news day. I found this, don’t know if it’s been posted. Sorry if it has. Wonder if the O’s are considering giving Burnett 5 years?
“Yankees may not make Burnett an offer”
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_nyy
It only says they may not offer 5 years, but, like this board, the media slugs are guessing about 99% of the time.
“I really love how the second Pete leaves the room we start debating politics/Vietnam! Great stuff!”
That’s why this place is so interesting. Where else can you debate the merits of LBJ’s Presidency, the escalation of the Vietnam war, and who should pitch for the Yankees.
I guess in a way all three are connected because they all deal with “how do we stop the Red Menace”
I wanted to post a question/answer I got from Pete earlier. I found this to be interesting:
Me: I’m curious what you think about Junichi Tazawa. Why have the Yankees completely ignored pursuing him? Do you think the Kei Igawa debacle has caused the Yankees to be overly, and perhaps unneccessarily, cautious with Japanese pitchers?
Pete: No. There is a dispute as to whether MLB teams should be pursuing Japanese amateurs. There was a long-standing gentleman’s agreement not to. Cashman and the Yankees are abiding by that agreement.
Seems pretty crappy that teams like the Red Sux are able to bid on a hot prospect when the Yanks are honoring their agreement and cannot. Yet the Yankees always get ripped by the national media while other teams are the darlings.
also, it pains me to say this but I really believe the Red Sox will sign Teixeira.
somewhere in the ballpark of 8yrs / 160M
from what I’ve heard they are in love with the guy.
I pray the Angels fork over the dough to keep him. Tex would be a nasty hitter at Fenway.
Tom
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:24 pm
“I really love how the second Pete leaves the room we start debating politics/Vietnam! Great stuff!”
That’s why this place is so interesting. Where else can you debate the merits of LBJ’s Presidency, the escalation of the Vietnam war, and who should pitch for the Yankees.
I guess in a way all three are connected because they all deal with “how do we stop the Red Menace”
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A good start would be to contract the RED Sox.
Sadly, JFK WAS responsible for escalation of the War in Viet Nam. He was a staunch supporter of Ike’s “Domino Theory” at the time and, as a Senator from MA, gave an impassioned speech that “the security of all of Southeast Asia would be threatened if the Red Tide of Communism overflowed into Vietnam”.
He did raise the level of military advisors from 700-800 to 16,000. LBJ was less enthusiastic about the War but also went along with his Party’s wishes and continued to escalate it with the Tonkin resolution in 1965.
I am a Vietnam Era Veteran, served my Country, lost friends and classmates during that War. Regardless of how you feel about the Vietnam War, always respect guys like GreenBeret7 and thousands of others who served for the purpose of keeping us and our families free.
And for those opposed to War: “Honor the Warrior, Not The War.”
and now back to Baseball……
Wow! I hope I didn’t kill this Blog for the Night!
Phil Hughes’ numbers in Arizona:
IP H BB K ERA WHIP
30 21 13 38 3.00 1.13
Not bad. Hopefully he’ll be a No 3 (a stretch)or No.4 in 2009
Those numbers are diluted by the finger nail injury he tried to pitch with.
Is Citi still going to give a ton of money to the Mets?
tsk tsk Notre Dame
I just dont see who the Yankees are going to sign. AJ is going to whatever bad team gives him the most money/years. CC is staying out west Giants/Dodgers. And Lowe is going to the RedSox.
Notre Dame Football (and their Head Coach Charlie Weiss) are the most overrated Program in College Football!
KJ, you are exactly the typical Yankee fan that I cannot stand. The pessimism is just disgusting and uncalled for. Most players follow the money and the Yankees have the most to offer. It’s pretty simple dude. Your logic is weak and you are just being negative.
The Yankees will make sure they get at least ONE of Sabathia/Burnett/Lowe. Also don’t forget about Oliver Perez who is also a FA. I think he’ll have a breakout season in 09. Don’t forget that the Yankees could make a trade. Free agency isn’t the only answer…
Latham Joe and GB7 – I never served, but I have tremendous respect for those who did. Words can not express it. I am very sincere. Bless you all.
Teix, like most of his brethren, is a “follow the money” kind of guy. However, unlike many of his ilk, he does have certain sensibilities, so it seems. In the final analysis, and assuming he will have other substantial bids, his reaction to the Red Sox following the 99 draft, probably will negate the likelihood of Teix wearing a home jersey in Fenway.
Since NY “appears” to have lost some momentum in its quest to corral CC, AJ and DL, it would not surprise me if Cashman moves very quickly in the Big Bat FA market……the worst possible scenario would be none of the Big Three pichers (tho I personally would not view DL as a sensible addition), and no Big Bats.
I should add that RAB has an interesting commentary to the effect that there is/may be very little, if any, financial disparity, when all is said and done between the Yankee and Brewer deals, referencing a Brewer blog (also reported on MLB Rumors). I had posted a similar assessment (sans the detailed analysis) on this board earlier in the week. Since it’s really “Deal Analysis 101″ I would assume CC’s advisors had completed that analysis soon after the offer was made.
One thing everyone should agree on. Sheets>Burnett when healthy.
I too appreciate and respect the efforts of GB 7, Latham Joe and all of those who have served, and are serving, our country as they have.
latham joe-
we all thought the war was the big issue back then, but check out the following link if you want to see something maybe as important that kennedy initiated that is still relevant to today’s financial crisis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110
kennedy created and released over 4 billion dollars that were put in circulation that bypassed the federal reserve and were competing dollars with the federal bank notes that were in use then as they are now.
at that time, those of us who grew up idolizing mantle,berra,maris,ford,etc on the way to the baseball field could for a quarter get a pack of baseball cards with gum, a popsicle, a hershey bar, and a bottle of coke . that would be 25 cents.
that quarter is as long gone as mickey is. just like there are old school lessons in baseball, there are old school lessons in the financial world. the two worlds seem like polar opposites but they can’t be when it takes a goldman sachs to be the yankees yes partner and corporate sponsorship and purchase of luxury boxes to make the new yankee stadium work out financially.
if kennedy’s dollars would have stayed in circulation, chances are that sabathia wouldn’t be costing over 150 million to sign . as far as lyndon johnson, he repealed the kennedy dollars backed by silver as one of his first acts as president.
what does this have to do with baseball? maybe not much, but if a quarter today was worth closer to that quarter that mantle and maris spent, we’d have a much less complicated world that was closer to the world that we grew up in.
sometimes blog discussions waver off the game of baseball, but i for one welcome the insights and shared experience that you, greenberet7, oldyanksfan, etc. have about the game as it was and the times it was in that most on the blog are too young to remember.
baseball doesn’t exist in a vacuum. to act like it does is a nice escape at times, but any of us who have been around long enough know that it always reflects the time it’s in.
with that said, i wonder if the yankees shouldn’t be very careful about spending money until they see what kind of economy they are going to be operating in for the next few years. being cash rich has to be a good thing in baseball as everywhere else right now.
maybe signing all these free agent pitchers isn’t the smart way to go. long term contracts are much more palatable in inflationary times.
As a follow up to my post regarding the comparison of the Brewer and Yankee bids, RAB really doesn’t discuss the potential significance of the term differentials. The Brewers blog does.If you are interested, I suggest you review the latter. http://www.brewcrewball.com/20.....-s-choices
Randy,
Quite well said. Baseball, though on the surface a diversion during trying times, indeed does reflect the times. Were one to “study” baseball in the academic sense, the correlation indeed would most predictable.
I too recall the earlier days. My baseball indoctrination commenced in “49″, and after the first five years I concluded that it was my absolute right, as a Yankee fan, to “expect” a world series championship each and every October. 54 never existed, and 55 was summarily dismissed as a complete aberration.
Bleacher seats were, as I recall were $.60, unreserved 1.25, reserved 1.75, and box 3.00 – 3.50. The guys worked in the off-season, many in clothing stores. Living in Jersey as a teenager, I recall the Scooter and Yogi “selling suits” in downtown Newark. “50’s Baseball”, in general, and the Yankees, in particular, were unforgettable for me. the rivalry with the Dodgers, and the position by position comparisons and arguments were fascinating and no one gave any quarter….Mickey vs. the Doook, (and Willie of course), Yogi vs Campy, Scooter vs PeeWee, Lopat vs Roe, and so on.
It was a time I will never forget.
“http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove08/news/story?id=3717007″
Anybody think the Yankees should try to sign one of the Japanese free agent pitchers?
I know Stick Michael went over there to scout this past summer, I wonder if he saw any of those pitchers pitch and if he liked any of them?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3717007
Didn’t realize I put the quote marks up the first time I posted the link.
This is sort of reminding me of the Yankees of the early 90’s, when the big name pitchers passed on them. That’s when we signed Jimmy Key instead of Greg Maddux. A couple of years later, we traded for Cone, and developed Pettitte. The rest of the 96 rotation was filled in by Doc Gooden, Scott Kamienicki, and Kenny Rogers (I know). The big signing the following season was Wells, a solid competitor who wanted to be a Yankee. Clemens didn’t want to be a Yankee, even after the 96 championship. George got on the treadmill, and everything. It wasn’t until the Yankee machine got going in 98, did Clemens change his mind, and accept a trade to the Yankees in 99. With respect to Wells, Mussina was the biggest of the Free Agent pitching signings the Yanks have made since Jimmy Key. To count them, that’s three starting pitcher’s signed as free agents, in the past 15 years that panned out. I’m not counting El Duque, because was an international player, with no MLB experience.
So it would not surprise me if the Yankees actually learn from history, and go another route for starting pitching. Maybe start by signing a tier B pitcher, to a reasonable deal to fill out the back of the rotation with Pettitte, and trade for another starter.
Nick is right. Sheets is definitely better than Burnett.
Just look at the stats. Sheets has started less than 24 games in his career only twice. Burnett on the other had has 5 seasons under 24 starts (I’m counting his first couple years, but still).
Don’t be fooled by this year. Burnett muscled up for his opt out year. He just looking for one last payday, once he gets it he’ll revert back to form.
Sheets appears to be a bigger gamer. He also put up good years on some bad Brewer teams.
Go all out for Sabathia (if they can get him, I have my doubts), get Sheets and be done with the starting pitching. If Sheets breaks down he’ll be good for at least 20 starts, then plug in Hughes, Aceves, etc.
I wouldn’t get caught up in Burnett…too many years and too much money. Sheets is the more flexible option.
I don’t think Lowe will really want to come to the Yankees so I don’t even entertain him.
Interesting point, Braintrust.
It goes to the fact that it really is a team game. You don’t absolutely have tot have a dropdead stud no. 1 pitcher to win. You need pitching that’s good enough to be competitive, and a lineup that will score enough runs, by hook or crook.
To me, it means that if we don’t get CC, the world will not end.
Anyone see that Chad Billingsly broke his leg. It is on the crawl on ESPN NEWS.
CC Just might have gotten his wish for the DOdgers to come up with the cash.
exactly joe,
look at the rays they didnt have someone who was their number one ace but each pitcher was just as good as the other so they were able to balance eachother out
but if the yanks dont gt any of the free agent pitchers (which is a stretch) they will be in big trouble no doubt
As a long aga American History teacher, JFK was in the process of withdrawing the rather small American military personal in Viet Nam…..He would have continued military aid in the form of arms , money and combat training for a limited peroid of time….Viet Nam would not have been a 1964 election issue……Nuke issues, the continuing of improving relations with Moscow, and Civil Rights were to be the center of his next four years…..LBJ did wonders on the domestic front as he carried out JFK’s Civil Rights and his Space Program’s…..The escalation in Nam was his and then of course Nixon went out of control with it all…..
gayle, Billingsley is expected to be ready to begin the season.
Braintrust
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:37 pm
This is sort of reminding me of the Yankees of the early 90’s, when the big name pitchers passed on them. That’s when we signed Jimmy Key instead of Greg Maddux. A couple of years later, we traded for Cone, and developed Pettitte. The rest of the 96 rotation was filled in by Doc Gooden, Scott Kamienicki, and Kenny Rogers (I know). The big signing the following season was Wells, a solid competitor who wanted to be a Yankee. Clemens didn’t want to be a Yankee, even after the 96 championship. George got on the treadmill, and everything. It wasn’t until the Yankee machine got going in 98, did Clemens change his mind, and accept a trade to the Yankees in 99. With respect to Wells, Mussina was the biggest of the Free Agent pitching signings the Yanks have made since Jimmy Key. To count them, that’s three starting pitcher’s signed as free agents, in the past 15 years that panned out. I’m not counting El Duque, because was an international player, with no MLB experience.
So it would not surprise me if the Yankees actually learn from history, and go another route for starting pitching. Maybe start by signing a tier B pitcher, to a reasonable deal to fill out the back of the rotation with Pettitte, and trade for another starter.
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i like you’re thinking.
i would at least like to sign cc because he for the money is the safest & it aligns our pitching staff properly.
for the last few years the alignment is way off.
wang needs to go to # 2 and joba needs to be # 5 at least for now.
we can fill in the gaps.
if the yankees try to use pettitte highers than a # 4 & joba higher than a 5 we are asking for trouble.
i have no problem with wang at number one but pettitte and joba need to be slotted right.
any ideas as to who we trade and for what pitchers?
what about the lineup,should we sign tex?
Congratulations California Golden Bears, 2008 Big Game winner and coverer of the 8.5 point spread!
Woo hoo! We got the Axe!!!!
And on that note, must get ready for my red-eye to the east coast, hope all are well in Lohud Land.
And I still want CC.
Check out Yanks and more on petes list, that should satisfy your appetite while Pete is gone.
If we dont get CC the world will not end. And I believe the idea that successful teams are built around many different quality players rather than a few stars. However, i think signing burnett and lowe would be huge mistakes.
Burnett does not seem like a player with heart. He is constantly injured and wants fives years when he has been on the dl ten times in ten years.. I agree that he will get his payday and all of a sudden, he will go back to being unreliable and injury prone. Not to mention, he has never really been all that good despite excellent stuff. Lowe is old and probably will not succeed in the AL. He also isnt worth a four or five year deal at his age. So really the fact is that CC is the best on the market and the only solid option – we have the money, we need pitching, we should try to sign him at all costs.
After CC, I would like to go after Tex not even as a backup plan but as plan A. Move swisher to center or right and sign Tex for seven or eight years. He is young, a stud on the field and at bat and he will be worth the contract.
To fill the third spot in the rotation of CC, Wang, _____, Pettitte and Joba, I would go after sheets. He is looking for a reasonable contract of two years and an option. This would probably get it done. And the contract should be loaded with incentives. Sheets is injury prone but he pitches through it and many are freak injuries. He will come at a reasonable price, he is still young and he is better than AJ and MUCH better than Lowe. Not to mention, we could avoid the AL east bidding war for AJ and getting into a sox bidding war for Lowe.
I think these three signings plus re-signing pettitte for one yr and ten million should put us into contention for the AL East crown once again. And I really like that the yanks seem determined to stay away from AJ and his five yr demands hopefully taking us out of the fight for him despite the yanks strange affection for Burnett. If we sign Tex and CC for 45 million per season on average, sheets for 15 million per and pettitte for 10, i am pretty sure that we will be under 200 million in payroll for the season. I dont know why the payroll must go down when the yanks are poised to make boatloads of money next season but we could potentially sign the two biggest free agents on the market and still have a decline in total salary.
I hope CC gets the offer from the dodgers and giants that he is waiting for, they probably both come between 100 and 120 million total and then, he realizes the yanks are his best bet. Im sure he is considering endorsement deals and playoff bonuses as well. And I feel the yanks will make a better offer if absolutely neccesary to get him. Taking the offer does absolutely nothing to help our case and i dont even know why that was mentioned by hal. The yanks do not save face by taking the offer away – all it is saying is that we are embarrased and we will try and look like we have control of the situation even though we dont. Its just a dumb move.
I believe the most important things are CC and Tex, after that they really dont have to do much, they can get Sheets for cheap or just go with what they have,Hughes wont be that bad if he stays healthy
Guys:
Please do not discuss politics here. I want this to be for baseball only, although I certainly understand if other sports get in the conversation.
But no politics please. That is the quickest way to get people mad at each other and ruin the tenor of what we have going on here.
Thanks.
For what it’s worth, I have just shifted to the Get Tex camp. Seems to me we need just one — either one — of CC and Burnett. Then get Tex. He represents instant improvement on offense and defense, both of which we clearly need. Besdies, can’t let Boston waltz right in and steal him. No interest in Lowe. Let him go back to Sox.
So tomorrow I can expect to see:
Nick in SF in New York
Texas Tech-horrible. Just horrible tonight.
What do you guys think the lineup should/will look like next year?
What I would like to see:
Jeter
Cano
Damon
Rodriguez
Matsui
Nady
Swisher
Posada
Gardner
Bench:
Molina
Felipe lopez
Melky
Corey Paterson/David Ross/Ransom/Miranda
I know I’ll get a lot of argument about Cano in the 2 hole, but I think he’ll see more strikes in that spot and therefore be a better player. I think he’ll easily hit .300 in that spot. Personally, I’m alright with Gardner in center. He’s always had trouble adjusting to a new level and I think the majors will be no different. Plus, he has a good eye, blazing speed, and he’s a great defender. I’m still not sold on Swisher as our 1b, but I’d rather we get pitching and live with Swisher/Miranda than sign another 1b. However, I think we should sign another decent backup catcher in case Posada’s shoulder isn’t great or if Molina gets hurt due to a lot of playing time last year compared to previous years. (David Ross anyone?) Also, I haven’t heard much about Milton Bradley who is a free agent and led the majors in OPS last year. I know he’s injury prone and has an attitude but he should still be considered imo.
Rotation:
Sabathia
Wang
Perez
Pettite
Chamberlain
Hughes/Coke/IPK/El Duque-(yeah that’s right) in minors unless injuries (which there will be)
Bullpen:
Aceves (long relief)
Rivera
Marte
Bruney
Ramirez
Veras
Jorge Julio/Robertson/Melancon
Anyone bet the “under’ on the Oklahoma/Texas Tech game? OUCH
Seeing how tonight is a cold as ice night I watched alot of NBA tonight.
You guys might want to know this
but the Atlanta Hawks were in Cleveland to play the Cavs…. Why is this important it really wasn’t the game it was who was at the game, specially invited by LeBron James was CC Sabathia yes he is just a few miles away from NY. Could LeBron be trying to persuade CC to go to NY ? Wait and see but for you Cali guys he is in Cleveland tonight. Could NY be his next destination. 
Damon in the three spot and cano in the two spot? I dont like either of those. I dunno who can bat third but it certainly shouldnt be damon. If we get tex, I wouldnt mind: Damon, Jeter, Arod, Tex, Nady, Matsui, Swisher, Posada, Cano. Rotation i LIKE CC, Wang, Sheets, Pettitte, Joba with Hughes the first call up. I think Hughes should play in AAA a couple of months. Gardner has a good eye and struggles at first but he just looks overmatched in the majors even when facing subpar pitching. I would use him as our fourth outfielder, pinchrunner and late inning defensive replacement because that is all he should be. He isnt good enough at hitting to start in center. I like Damon, swisher and Nady as our outfield. I think that would be a stellar team with quality defense and a scary lineup. That rotation gives us a chance to win every day and hughes and aceves/coke are all decent replacements when an injury strikes. The bullpen should just be a revolving door with whoever is pitching well at the time pitching. I guess marte is our primary setup guy right now – id prefer one more bullpen pickup but i DONT think it is nearly as important as filling the holes in center and in the rotation currently. I dont know why cash and the yanks dont seem to really be pursuing sheets. I hope they are considering him atleast. He has the best talent of the free agents outside of CC and will easily take a two yr contract at a reasonable rate. He is a better option than signing lowe or burnett for five years.
brandon, I REALLY hope your right. i know it is in CC’s best interest to wait but he could atleast come talk to the FO after being offered the largest pitcher contract in history. This feels a bit like the cold shoulder.
LeBron should invite CC to the Cavs/Knicks game @ MSG on Tues. That will send everyone in a tizzy.
Looks like Pete’s back in the room
But I personally enjoyed the political discussions. I think this financial crisis is a rather big deal and I agree with Randy and Ariel–it is frustrating when we are consistently asked to imagine that it is totally separate from the baseball world in order to be a fan… Even though the new way to be a fan is to imagine ourselves as mini-managers or mini-commodity speculators for our teams…
“LeBron should invite CC to the Cavs/Knicks game @ MSG on Tues. That will send everyone in a tizzy. ”
I’m guessing that is what’s coming. CC just left LA to fly straight to Cleveland uh uh..he is Cleveland tonight because he will be in NY the next few days. Cleveland has the next 2 days off counting tonight you can pretty much bet CC will be w/ LeBron on this road trip.
Pete – Have a great well deserved break. Let’s get CC asap!
If CC is visiting, maybe Stephon Marbury could give him a tour of the city.
It’s not like Steph is doing anything…
SA not gonna lie I cracked up there.
Tuesday Night in the Garden is going to be one of the craziest atmospheres that we’ve seen in years. And if CC is there too? Forget it, it will be pandemonium. All the NBA/MLB writers at MSG, tons of celebrities wanting to see LeBron, Giants players etc.
That is going to be a hot ticket
I’m skeptical if LeBron would go through that much trouble and take time out of his busy schedule to give CC a tour of NY. Is he that die-hard of a Yankee fan and that close to CC that he’s going to heavily recruit beyond just a phone call?
A rumer thats going around is saying the dodger have offered CC a contact of 6 years between 110-120 mill it is believed it is 110 mill
Yeh they did. But he’s not in LA tonight
“Although the reception he receives is unjustifiably lukewarm, CC Sabathia should be commended for being a great Clevelander. After being dealt midseason to the Brewers, the large lefty took out a full-page newspaper ad to thank fans and is still a regular at Cavaliers games. He was in attendance with his kids once again on Saturday night.”
Y’all have it backwards. CC is already recruiting LeBron!
Goodnight everybody!
gabagoo,
link?
http://braves.scout.com/a.z?s=.....p;c=814683
FWIW – from 2004 – 2008 (5 years), Tex has SIGNIFICANTLY more WinShares then CC. It’s not that surprising that a guy who plays 150+ games has more impact then one who plays 32.
Considering that we have pitching on the farm but very few position players, that long deals on pitchers are riskier then on position players, and considering that CC doesn’t want to be here (or he would have jumped at $140m… not one will come close to that offer), I would much prefer Tex over CC.
Your alone there, give me CC over that.
Brandon,
you think CC already made up his mind to play for NY already? honestly, I think he already did. when Girardi was on Yankee Hot Stove 2 weeks ago, he didn’t give the usual “we interested in every free agent out there” speech, instead he gave the “CC will be happy in NY speech”.
Maybe because I find it weird how he already Jetison from LA to crusty cold Cleveland w/ wife and kids.
Maybe he already contacted Cashman about a meeting on Tuesday. eh, who knows?
Brandon,
It’s obvious. CC’s going to enjoy Thanksgiving 3 times. East Coast for breakfast. Midwest for lunch. Left coast for dinner.
Let me expand on this thought …It is 26 degrees right now in Cleveland we are a few days away from the Holidays for him to leave sunny beautiful home sweet home 67 degrees California to come to watch an NBA game.. lets just say I don’t think CC loves basketball that much or anyone.
Another tell is bringing his family w/ him, wife and kids, if there is to be a press conference this week he’d have to call them usually to fly them in to be present while he signs since they figure into his life, well as of right now through reports they are already w/ him.
That site is just quoting Dan Graziano (Star Ledger/nj.con) from Wednesday about the alleged offer from the Dodgers/Giants… it’s not new information.
CC spent 7 years in Cleveland, including the first half of this year.
How do you know he just isin’t visiting some old friends or checking up on his house?
“How do you know he just isin’t visiting some old friends or checking up on his house?”
Yes that would make sense, so why is he at a Cavs game again ?
CC said he isin’t making any decisions until after Thanksgiving. Even if he is coming here, its probably just to visit and meet with Cashman and visit the burbs. It’s not like he is going to sign right now.
Mel,
Brandon does have a point there. If CC and his agent is “still in the process” of meeting with GMs, then why would be bring his family with him? CC may already have made up his mind.
I would be shocked if there will be any kind of a breaking news hours before Thanksgiving.
“CC said he isin’t making any decisions until after Thanksgiving.”
maybe its just a cover up. Like Mussina said he doesn’t know if he’s going to retired at the end of the season, but he already have made up his decision during spring training.
my previous comment was towards Left Coast,
not you mel. Sorry!
Finally found a pic.
http://i37.tinypic.com/jb65at.jpg
If there was a story brewing here, the NY media will certainly pick up on it by Tuesday. The media is going to HOUND LeBron when he comes here so if he is spotted with CC, that info. will be available. The Page 6 crew will probably alert Sherman/King.
Ed,
Really, I’m not going to pay attention until I hear something from the front office.
We all thought (even the writers) that Torre was going to be back because he was on a plane headed to Tampa.
Besides, CC said, “teams gotta come to me.” That’s right from the horse’s mouth.
Ed,
Oops. Didn’t see your retraction.
Free-agent pitcher CC Sabathia, still mulling a contract offer from the New York Yankees, attended the game. During halftime, Sabathia signed autographs for Cleveland fans, who wish he hadn’t been traded and can only hope he would consider coming back.
http://www.google.com/hostedne.....wD94KD4707
It is suspicious that CC is in Cleveland a weekend before Thanksgiving and spotted at a Cavs game. LeBron is a Yankees fan and the Cavs are playing at the Garden in NY on Tuesday and the opponent that LeBron is playing just made 2 deals in order to try and get him in 2 years and both teams happen to play in the same city and both players are friends. LeBron also did say that he thinks CC will come here.
I have no idea if there is any story here, but you can certainly connect the dots and make a compelling one.
Mel,
understood. next week could be a wild one. if all spectulations are true, the media will gang up on LeBron for keeping a good secret.
I still can’t believe Tim Thomas is back… so strange.
What you got against FUGAZY ?
These conspiracy theories are funny.
You want to know where CC’s going, don’t follow the Cavs; follow the money!
Lebron better of spoken to him before or after the game and told him that he better sign that contract soon!!
Follow the money!
Hey Pete, enjoy the time off, you deserve it.
Is there any evidence that CC is coming to NY to see the cavs/knicks game outside of CC being at the cavs game tonight and CC and lebron being friends? Because some of this sounds like a bit of a stretch
Hey Pete – hope you have a great thanksgiving. Thanks again for all your hard work even in the offseason.
No real evidence that CC is coming to NY. Just some good old speculation and dreaming.
I hear Stephon M. is picking CC up from the airport and from there, they are gonna get matching tattoos on their head. Pass it on.
Pete and all you Yankee Fans out there:
Best wishes this holiday to all.
In the “worst case” scenario, if Sabathia goes to a team on West coast, Burnett stays in Toronto or goes to Baltimore, Lowe resigns with Boston, assume we resign Pettitte, if we’re still going to target 2 more starting FA pitchers, who would you pick of Perez, Sheets, Wolf, others?
In regards to position players, if Teixeira signs with Boston, which FA bat of the following should the Yankees target: Ramirez, Furcal, Dunn, Bradley, Burrell, Hudson, Abreu, others?
If we “whiff” on our FA pitchers, and decide to trade Hughes, what starting pitchers could be used as part of a trade,to obtain starting pitching?
Thoughts?
Being at a Cav’s game looks like C.C. is working his way east to sign his plump Thanksgiving contract.
Let’s see here . . . a Wednesday press conference at the Stadium and a return flight to the west coast in time for a turkey dinner on Thursday sounds about right.
” If my 401-K wasn’t reduced to 17 cents, I might have gone to play blackjack.”
“Please do not discuss politics here. I want this to be for baseball only, although I certainly understand if other sports get in the conversation.”
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isn’t complaining( even jokingly) about the value of a 401k that is deteriorating as we speak bordering on the political? isn’t the 401k a political creation? isn’t the attempt to solve the deterioration of the 401k being done by politicians?
baseball does not exist in a vacuum. i understand not talking about controversial political subjects unrelated to baseball( though i often find the digressions interesting), ,but not talking about the financial crisis and money when baseball is very much a big business that is a combination of main street and wall street makes little sense to me.
for instance, what if this financial crisis deepens seriously and corporations don’t have the money to pay for the luxury boxes they have agreed to buy? what if john henry has only 25% of his money left? that wouldn’t affect the red sox? what if the yankees sign sabathia to a 6 year 25 million dollar contract and there is deflation in the general economy that makes 25 million in 2015 an albatross around the yankees neck? what if fans don’t have the $100 it often takes to go to one game?
to me this blog would be broadened( and it’s IQ raised) if political issues that are related to the game and business of baseball were freely discussed.
if this blog were in 1949, should we not talk about civil rights and jackie robinson? baseball is often a leader of the culture in changing the society we live in. it reflects the times we are in. to stick our heads in the sand and act as if baseball were only an escapist activity that has no connection to the real world seems to only dumb down the discussion of the game.
last winter many of us were glued to the clemens congressional hearings chaired by waxman. many on the blog who had long time legal experience explained the proceedings to the rest of us. i for one appreciated the input from these people.
when i watched waxman and his committee do the same grilling of hedge fund billionaires last week, i thought back to the clemens hearings and realized i knew how the process worked and it was from blog discussions.
i think that the blog would do itself a disservice if it stuck strictly to only the game of baseball. i personally can’t take the game as seriously in times like this. i realize it’s a judgement call on how far to go, but no discussion at all of the economic and political problems of the world we live in seems rather extreme and limiting. as i said, baseball does not exist in a vacuum.
Livan Hernandez doesn’t exist in a vacuum either.
nick in sf-
livan , better than most, knows the perils of inflation and deflation.
( damn, i thought early sunday mornings were safe from the wit of nick because of the time zone difference)
alexandria, va? isn’t that where the ….?
what exactly is it that do you do for a living?
should i be nicer to nick from sf?
now that i think about it, livan is fat, really fat.
I’ll be leaving Alexandria shortly and no one will have to worry about being nice to me.
Enjoy your vacation.
And one night at the casino wouldn’t be bad, just don’t throw it all into slots.