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Random thoughts (mostly) on the Yankees

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 23, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A few random thoughts, baseball and otherwise, during vacation:

— If A.J.Burnett and agent Darek Braunecker can get a five-year contract – and Braunecker says they can – good for them. I’m all for players getting whatever they can. But after their experience with Carl Pavano, the Yankees can’t actually go down that road, can they? I’d much rather have Ben Sheets and his risk for two or three years than Burnett for five.

— Let’s assume for a second that the Red Sox really do want Mark Teixeira. Who is going to take Mike Lowell and $24 million off their hands? Oh, and he has no-trade rights. You have to wonder how much of this is true desire and how much is driving up the price for other teams.

— If Scott Boras ever gets tired of baseball, he should sign on with a political candidate. Nobody uses the media more masterfully or is better at changing perceptions.

— Joel Sherman of the Post had a good take on Mike Mussina on his blog. Moose was tough for reporters to deal with when he first arrived in the Bronx. He left as a “go-to guy” and garnered a lot of respect. Fans, meanwhile, benefited from his insight and his popularity grew. There’s a lesson in there somewhere for players like A-Rod. The energy spent distancing yourself from the press and public can be turned into a positive if you’re willing to loosen up.

— Free advice for the Yankees: Now that the team is going into the new Stadium, try something new with the in-game entertainment. YMCA and Cotton-Eye Joe have reached the end of their usefulness and are far more cliche than fun at this point. It’s also time to dial back God Bless America to Sundays only. Fans express their patriotism by standing for the Star-Spangled Banner and that should never change. Are the Yankees somehow better Americans by playing a second song? If that’s the case, than there should be a patriotic song between every inning.

— We’re hearing that the old Stadium won’t be torn down until next fall. A movie will be filming there in the spring and summer, it seems. It’s going to be a while before fans get to purchase seats and other memorabilia. Will the long delay reduce the value? I’m hardly a marketing guy, but it seems to me that the best time to sell that stuff would be now when the experience was fresh in people’s minds.

— Talked to three scouts who watched games in Arizona who all said Phil Hughes was throwing 94, 95 with ease. Now we need to see that in spring training.

— Lots of angst in Japan over whether Hideki Matsui will play in the World Baseball Classic. Having knee surgery gives him an out and the Yankees could demand he skip the tournament. But showing respect for the national team means more in Japan than in other countries.

— Here’s an interesting question, is Derek Jeter good enough for the United States WBC team? He’ll probably make it. But Jimmy Rollins, Stephen Drew and J.J. Hardy have to be considered, no?

— It’s astonishing how many people think the Yankees will sign three big-name players. The Yankees look at their inflated 2008 payroll as being the result of some mistakes, not a template to build the 2009 team.

— Bud Selig had former Fed chairman Paul Volcker speak to the owners last week to try and scare them into not spending money. It won’t work with the big-name guys. But players like Pudge Rodriguez and Jason Giambi might not get what they hoped.

— In case you missed it, Rutgers football bounced back from a 1-5 start and is now 6-5 with a winnable game against Louisville remaining. If you’re interested in the Knights, check out the Scarlet Knights Newzer blog. It’s the best on that beat.

— Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis and his son visited the Yankees in spring training and told everybody how good his team was going to be. Now they’re 6-5 with a loss to Syracuse and about to get clubbed by USC. The more you watch Weis and Romeo Crennel coach their own teams, the more you realize what a tremendous coach Bill Belichick is.

— Barack Obama picked his entire cabinet in three weeks. It has been three months and Mike Francesa still doesn’t have a partner for his radio show. Kim Jones is obviously the best choice based on what I heard. Meanwhile Chris Russo has vanished off the face of the earth as far as his impact goes. If I’m listening to talk radio in the car – satellite or otherwise – I need to get some New York-centric updates and traffic mixed in.

— If you like the New York Rangers, you should be reading Sam Weinman’s blog Rangers Report on LoHud.com. Sammy knows his pucks.

OK, back to vacation.

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834 Responses to “Random thoughts (mostly) on the Yankees”

  1. TheKiid November 23rd, 2008 at 10:16 am

    happy sunday to all!

  2. Noel Fear November 23rd, 2008 at 10:18 am

    Kim Jones for the WFAN job.

    She is sports talk radio change we can believe in!

  3. Yankee U November 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 am

    The only problem with Russo vanishing is that he left alone.

  4. Viva November 23rd, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Peter Abraham:

    The man who goes on the shortest vacation/breaks than any other known.. Don’t worry Pete, we like it that you give us something to read more than once daily. Vacation or not!

    As for $$ and free agents:

    The Yankee’s cannot afford to lose out on a guy like Tex, I do understand that you just can’t sign everyone under the sun.. but personally, I would rather see CC and Tex and Have a rotation of:

    CC
    Wang
    Joba
    Pet
    Hughes

    I don’t know about you guys but offensively this team is in Major decline, it wasn’t just last season.. and frankly, how they’ve look on paper the last 3 years may be misleading.. Yes I know there numbers on paper have been fantastic except for last year.. but this year they will be another year older without Giambi and Abreau .. If Matsui, Posada, Cano are not what we expect them to be (and that is a lot to expect) we are in dire need of a slugger..

    I do like they idea of Gardner, I love watching him play/run .. the energy of youngsters is a big part of what’s been missing with this team..

    *shrugs, but what do I know.. I can only hope for a more versatile team that has patience at the plate and not go out and look to break records, screw pop stars and models, and hit home runs only…

    bring back the great Yankee’s I’ve always felt proud to watch.. this team was embarrassing last year..

  5. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers November 23rd, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Barak Obama picked his entire cabinet in three weeks. It has been three months and Mike Francesa still doesn’t have a partner for his radio show. Kim Jones is obviously the best choice based on what I heard.

    ———————————————————–

    I actually enjoyed him and Benigno together more, but Francesa and Kim were okay too.

  6. randy l November 23rd, 2008 at 10:29 am

    “Bud Selig had former Fed chairman Paul Volcker speak to the owners last week to try and scare them into not spending money. It won’t work with the big-name guys. But players like Pudge Rodriguez and Jason Giambi might not get what they hoped.”

    “Barak Obama picked his entire cabinet in three weeks. It has been three months and Mike Francesa still doesn’t have a partner for his radio show.”

    “Please do not discuss politics here. I want this to be for baseball only, although I certainly understand if other sports get in the conversation.”

    huh?
    lol.

    unless the yankees know something that the rest of us don’t, i’d take the message that volcker gave the owners as a serious message. it’s not like he’s not a financial insider. he’s a long time key member of council on foreign relations and if anyone knows what the dangers are, it’s him.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C....._Relations

    what’s the worst that happens if the yankees sit on their cash? no one in their division is getting sabathia. the smart move may be keeping their powder dry.

  7. Peter Abraham November 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 am

    Randy: Please don’t be obtuse. You know exactly what I am talking about. Making an off-hand reference in a post is not discussing politics. There were people debating the New Deal in the last post. That’s not what this blog is about or will ever be about. Please abide by the wishes of the community. Thanks.

  8. Harry K November 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 am

    Francessa and Kim Jones would be good but she is too involved with the YES pre-game crap but I am sure if they wave tons of cash in front of her it would be a deal. Beningo is the worst he’s afraid of Mike and plus joe has the worst attitude towards his teams…..you would think he would be a little more upbeat ….

  9. Drew November 23rd, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Pete, you need to get away! ;)

  10. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers November 23rd, 2008 at 10:41 am

    “Beningo is the worst he’s afraid of Mike”

    If anything-that is not true. Benigno was one of the few people that wasn’t busy kissing Mike’s fanny. I don’t think he is afraid of him at all.
    He is too negative about his teams though, but I take it as part of his..um.. “charm”?

  11. TO November 23rd, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Pete stop with the Bill Belichick stuff,the guy is a cheater!

  12. Noel Fear November 23rd, 2008 at 10:42 am

    kim jones is better

  13. Tom November 23rd, 2008 at 10:43 am

    Well, I hope the Yankees can sign Pettitte to a “New Deal” soon.

  14. Yankee Trader November 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Pete and all you Yankee Fans out there:

    Best wishes this holiday to all.

    In the “worst case” scenario, if Sabathia goes to a team on West coast, Burnett stays in Toronto or goes to Baltimore, Lowe resigns with Boston, assume we resign Pettitte, if we’re still going to target 2 more starting FA pitchers, who would you pick of Perez, Sheets, Wolf, others?

    In regards to position players, if Teixeira signs with Boston, which FA bat of the following should the Yankees target: Ramirez, Furcal, Dunn, Bradley, Burrell, Hudson, Abreu, others?

    If we “whiff” on our FA pitchers, and decide to trade Hughes, what starting pitchers could be used as part of a trade,to obtain starting pitching?

    Thoughts?

  15. Viva November 23rd, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Pete:

    My post is stuck in the filter? Hmpf.

  16. Robreagan@ct.metrocast.net November 23rd, 2008 at 10:56 am

    Come on CC, make up your mind!

  17. Robreagan@ct.metrocast.net November 23rd, 2008 at 10:57 am

    The whole country is broke, and these guys (players, agents etc.) are fighting it out over a mill or two! Go figure!

  18. randy l November 23rd, 2008 at 10:58 am

    “Randy: Please don’t be obtuse.”

    “obtuse” ?
    now i’ve been called a lot of things , but’s there’s line that shouldn’t be crossed. no one can call me a pythagorean angle and get away with it.

    on the other hand,maybe i should google”obtuse” first before getting my dander up:

    ” lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : insensitive , stupid b: difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression”

    ok, no problem. just don’t call me a part of a triangle. amazing how my vocabulary expands from blog participation.

    peter, by the way, have a nice thanksgiving .

  19. Noel November 23rd, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Kim Jones would make the best partner for Francesa.

    She is radio change we can believe in.

  20. pat November 23rd, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Cashman said yesterday Hideki won’t be playing.

    Who picks the WBC team? With the current faces of baseball not getting any younger, they might be smart to start lessening the roles of the current faces and marketing some of the younger guys. Time to give the kids the keys to the car. Same debate could be had for Alex. Who plays 3rd- Alex, Chipper or David Wright?

    Kim Jones was the best with Mike. She has opinions, isn’t afraid to share them and doesn’t back down when Mike disagrees. There was also more give and take conversation and less yelling when Kim was on which makes for better listening.

    Doesn’t NYC get the majority of the proceeds from the memoribilia sell off of the Stadium? Yanks don’t care about the value if that be the case. The things they have control over; uniforms, bases, dirt; are already being sold.

  21. Ban Bud November 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 am

    “Bud Selig had former Fed chairman Paul Volcker speak to the owners last week to try and scare them into not spending money. ”

    Too bad Bolshevik Bud didn’t take advantage of this rare opportunity to have the former head of the Fed endorse the concept of “spreading the wealth” and “redistribution” to the billionaires in attendance. With all of the welfare money being thrown about baseball these last 10 years under the guise of “revenue sharing” it would be nice to see the fabulously wealthy ownership present a united front in favor of higher taxes for themselves in order to benefit the working classes. It’s all about “fairness”, after all, and surely Bud and his buddies are all very gung-ho about sharing the wealth in the interests of fairness.

  22. RJPinstripes November 23rd, 2008 at 11:01 am

    If the Yanks don’t sign or get anyone, “suck it up” go with what we have and GOFERIT the following year. HEY, IF THEY DON’T WANT TO COME TO THE YANKS, FUHGEDABOUDEM, we’ll get players that do want to be Yanks! We’ve done it before and we can do it again with loyal Yanks!

  23. RJPinstripes November 23rd, 2008 at 11:03 am

    I thought Mike was going to stay solo?

  24. bodhisattva November 23rd, 2008 at 11:04 am

    This might seem extreme, but the repetition of YMCA, Cotton-eyed Joe and GBA is often the deal breaker on those days I decide I can watch the game on television. It suddenly dawns on me: “If I’m home, I’ll be spared YMCA and CEJ and I can mute GBA or leave the room!”

    For a season ticket holder, they are incredibly grating. I am all for getting rid of them. Also, if anyone here remembers the old Spectrum, I always end the Kate Smith version with “…the Flyers thank you!!!” Please – no more.

  25. Jon November 23rd, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Totally agree about Ben Sheets-I would rather take a health rish for 2 or 3 years than Burnett for 5. Additionally, Sheets has been dominant when healthy-you can’t compare his ERA to Burnett or Lowe-it’s not even close.

  26. Fran November 23rd, 2008 at 11:11 am

    I liked Kim Jones with Mike Francesca. There was good conversation and she does know a lot about sports. I think she was much better there than doing the Yanks pre/post game shows where I think she is a terrible interviewer and asks a lot of dumb questions.

  27. vinny-b *Behold the sword of Urlacher* November 23rd, 2008 at 11:14 am

    and somewhere Tyrone Willingham, is laughing his @ss off.

  28. vinny-b *Behold the sword of Urlacher* November 23rd, 2008 at 11:15 am

    word. Kim Jones was excellent on Mike Francesa. I emailed WFAN 2 times, to let them know. A lot of good it did.

  29. EricNS November 23rd, 2008 at 11:17 am

    Pete – you do find it hard to stay away don’t you – anyway Russo still is making big bucks for his switch but maybe he overestimated how much people want to hear him –

    Happy Thanksgiving to all and treasure the time with your parents and family!

  30. TKinDC November 23rd, 2008 at 11:17 am

    “and somewhere Tyrone Willingham, is laughing his @ss off.”

    I doubt it – his rear end was just fired by the Huskies! George O’Leary? Bob Davie? Now they could be laughing!

  31. Tom November 23rd, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Pete, It has been written, both by you and other baseball writers, that the Yankees will try to sign two free agent starting pitchers. Where does Andy Pettitte fit in to the equation? If the Yankees sign CC and Burnett is he the odd man out? Or, is it a given that he will be back?

    I ask this only because a lot posters and fans assume that Joba is going to be the fifth starter next season; however, if the Yankees only sign two starters that would mean the fifth spot would, most likely, be filled by the likes of Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves, or a stop gap veteran.

  32. vinny-b *Behold the sword of Urlacher* November 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 am

    Kim Jones was a complete breath-of-fresh-air, in the stale room that is Mike Francesa.

  33. vinny-b *Behold the sword of Urlacher* November 23rd, 2008 at 11:20 am

    “I doubt it – his rear end was just fired by the Huskies”

    who cares. He’s not starving.

    losing to Syracuse is hilarious in any language.

  34. randy l November 23rd, 2008 at 11:27 am

    ban bud-
    thanks for pointing out the irony of volcker, the free market capitalist, speaking to the baseball “socialists”.

    i have a friend who runs a very successful small business , worships bill o’reilly, loves free market capitalism, and loves the tampa bay devil rays.

    you guessed it. he favors revenue sharing in baseball.

    some things you just can’t make up.

  35. deadrody November 23rd, 2008 at 11:32 am

    I am 100% with Viva on this one. I understand “roster flexibility”. I know what a “bad contract” is. Derek Lowe, Ben Sheets and AJ Burnett are all bad contracts waiting to happen. Heck, giving CC a 7 year deal is probably a bad contract waiting to happen. He is going to break down at some point and it is virtually guaranteed to happen in the next 6-7 years.

    The absolute lowest risk player available is Mark Texeira. There is no hint of steroids with him, thereby making the comparison with Jason Giambi moot. He has been successful in 3 different places and thrived in the spotlight of a pennant race. Regardless of need, Texeira should be the Yankees #1 priority when you factor in risk and reward.

    They may NEED CC more, but he is much more of a risk than Texeira. So you sign Texeira and if you are feeling lucky, OR you have the highest revenue team in baseball, then you throw caution to the wind and sign Sabathia too.

    The idea that the richest team in baseball would hedge it’s bets in spending money on a proven player like Mark Texeira that would instantly improve the team with little to no downside is ludicrous.

  36. Melvin November 23rd, 2008 at 11:39 am

    Kim Jones is change I can believe in!!

  37. darkmoonfire November 23rd, 2008 at 11:40 am

    I agree that Kim is a great choice for Mike’s show. She’s a smart girl and radio allows her to exercise that. She’s a bit too stifled by the necessary editorial boundaries on YES.

    That said, she’s pretty and I’d miss her on TV. I guess she’d not be able to do both easily, unless they just have Kim for the offseason and someone else for the baseball season.

  38. Bob November 23rd, 2008 at 11:42 am

    While I agree Kim seems to ask a lot of poor questions on YES, I suspect those are coming from “producers”, etc. more than from her. At some point somebody ought to realize that she is a lot more than eye-candy and let her get into a meaningful discussion once in a while. Her time on WFAN shows she is quite knowledgeable about sports and can hold her own in a discussion.

  39. Melvin November 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 am

    “The more you watch Weis and Romeo Crennel coach their own teams, the more you realize the tremendous benefit of Spygate.

  40. Bob November 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 am

    Totally agree with the Cotton=eyed Joe stuff, but kind of like the YMCA song sue me
    :)

    My major beef? two things.

    1)The 7th inning break and God Bless America. Pete, you hit it right on the head, why not have us sing patriotic songs every inning, heck after every at bat? Oh I know why we do it! We are New York, we are the most patriotic Amercians in the country, and everything we do in New York is better than every one else, we are even better Amercians!

    -I am still amazed that the Stadium ONLY shows instant replay on the scoreboard of the Yankee’s great offensive or defensive plays. Hey Yanks, we are grown ups, we are baseball afficianados, we know that the OTHER team makes good plays sometimes, on defense, and on offense, and as a baseball FAN I would like to see those replays also. What do you think we are so juvenile that we can only root for the great plays made by the home team?

    This makes me nuts, as when I am in other Stadia, they replay the great plays of the GAME, not just by the hometeam.

    Also can we leave our lazy second baseman behind when we move?

  41. Noreaster November 23rd, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Pete, Thanks for taking a break and giving us some thoughts to chew on…

    Is anybody else thinking that CC wants nothing to do with NYC?

  42. Melvin November 23rd, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Why do the Red Sox hate America?

  43. Tak November 23rd, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Comment on “— Lots of angst in Japan over whether Hideki Matsui will play in the World Baseball Classic. Having knee surgery gives him an out and the Yankees could demand he skip the tournament. But showing respect for the national team means more in Japan than in other countries.”

    -Not any more. Chunichi Dragons of the Central League will not provide any player for the WBC.

    Matsui told the NPB that he’d be willing to participate in the tournament, provided his knee would get ready before Spring only because Matsui was bashed for not playing for the WBC Japan team the last time, but Ichiro did & led the team to the No.1 title; that’s when Ichiro became more popular than Matsui in Japan.

  44. Ariel November 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Random thoughts—-

    ***Francessa’s ego will not be able to handle Kim as a full-time “co-host”.

    ***What are the Sox going to do with Lowell (if they sign Teix) is a red herring. It’s an open question as to whether he will really recover and be able to play full-time or even DH if Ortiz will not be the “Old Big Papi” which is also of concern or should be to management…also, is the missing ingredient to the “real” Big Papi, Manny? Youk gives them flexibility…move him to left, Bay to right and Drew to center where he has played and still can, IF he doesn’t get hurt (Ha Ha)…when he does, Elsbury is there. This assumes they can’t, or won’t, trade Lowell. They will make the big push for Teix, “the aftermath of the 99 draft notwithstanding”.

    ***Contrary to popular thought, the need for a Big Bat(s) is as compelling as the “need” for CC, if not more. To keep A-rod as an “island” undermines his potency; there is a desparate need for protection before and after. Teix would fill the “before” need, and Manny/Dunn, the “after”. None of the current cast of characters, Posada, Matsui to name the most obvious, do for assorted reasons…..age, injury susceptibility, diminution in skill sets, to name the obvious; tho both, were they to be playing with a full physical deck, are clutch performers, something unique to the team as now constituted. Absent the “Big Bat(s)” component, the Yankees will lack on-field, day to day “consistency” as they so plainly did in 08.

    ***Hughes will surprise many and demonstrate in 09 the reasons why the organization has been so high on him, and will fill one of the starter slots…more than adequately. Kennedy will not. Aceves and Coke both will perform admirably as starters, occasional or otherwise.

    ***Burnett and Lowe would be mistakes. Tho, perhaps not as egregious as the duo of Pavano and Wright, but it would rank right up there.

    ***”Who is on the DL today?” will be high on the Bombers’ Frequently Asked Question list in 09.

    *** The most obvious….don’t believe a word Cashman or anyone else says during FA season, other than “we have signed…”. It’s all posturing and tactical…if in doubt, remember last year..”if A-rod opts out, we will not sign him”…if that’s not enuf, then recall “since A-Rod has opted out we have no further interest in him..” Credibility is not a virtue during free agency season.

  45. Fran November 23rd, 2008 at 11:51 am

    The most obvious….don’t believe a word Cashman or anyone else says during FA season, other than “we have signed…”

    And don’t forget a few years back – “Bubba Crosby will be our everyday CF”

  46. Braintrust November 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Avoid Burnett. The Sox are dirty players with free agents. Boras should run for congress. Moose mellowed with age. YMCA, and Cotton Eyed Joe are very late 90′s at the Stadium, and their needs to be a switchup. With all due respect, let’s play take me out to the ballgame, during the 7th inning stretch again. For the kids. Leave the Old Stadium up forever…for the kids. Hughes should spend the year at AAA. Matsui is two bad wheels, and a year away from leaving the Yankees. The WBC is a waste of time. If the Yanks just get Sabathia, that would be fine. Selig should keep his trap shut. Teel is on fire, Go Knights! Weis & Crennel are over rated. Belichick is a great coach, and Voyeur. Obama’s rolling up his sleeves. Good riddance to Ratso Russo. Hockey sucks. Back to work.

  47. RhapsodyInBlue November 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Two years down the road-

    Kim Jones shaped like a matching bookend to Mike Francessa, the two fighting over putting Jober in the pen.

  48. Ariel November 23rd, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Addendum to earlier post…

    The last word of the sentence “What are the Sox going to do with Lowell (if they sign Teix) is _________.” should be changed with the following substituted “is easily resolved”

  49. PAT M November 23rd, 2008 at 12:00 pm

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  51. BBFan November 23rd, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    “There’s a lesson in there somewhere for players like A-Rod.”

    This is another below the belt line from you just reflecting your desire to criticise A-Rod and Girardi at any cost.

    A-Rod may be lot of things, but he does not distance from the media. He talks to the media even after tough losses, more than many others on the team including Jeter. Obviously, he does nto want to talk about his personal stuff and that is none of your business.

  52. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    “There’s a lesson in there somewhere for players like A-Rod. The energy spent distancing yourself from the press and public can be turned into a positive if you’re willing to loosen up.”

    Why in the world would Rodriguez talk to the media anymore? he did for 4 years and the media, twisted, fabricated and flat out made crap up/lied about what he said, then printed that he needed to not talk so much. If I wer him, I’d tell the media to stick it, too.

  53. PAT M November 23rd, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    If by some outside chance that the Boston Red Sox were to obtain Texeria I have to think the Yanks will heavily consider the Manny Man….Hell, they already have a glaring hole the order ( # 3 hitter ) already……Ever since Texeria cam up with Atlanta, I’ve been eyeballing this winter with great hope as the stars re-align…Giambi leaves and Texeria arrives…..I understand the need for a big power arm, but don’t undersell the need for a big stick……Randy I, are you really obtuse ???? Must be that catcher’s attitude ….

  54. Jeremy November 23rd, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    I was also surprised by the refence to ARod. I remember one mention by Pete of ARod walking off when reporters wanted to get a quote from him. Otherwise he has always seemed open to the media, even as Pete has portrayed him on this blog.

    He doesn’t always have something interesting or unusual to say (he will admit he’s in a slump when he’s hitting poorly, or credit Kevin Long when he’s hitting well), but he does talk to the media and praise his teammates more than he takes credit for himself.

    It especially surprises me that Mussina, possibly the blandest player on the team, is supposed to be some kind of example for ARod. Mussina kept to himself and made the occasional crack about Pavano. He never had to deal with anything close to the scrutiny ARod deals with on a regular basis. They are totally dissimilar players and people in every preceivable way.

  55. Bad Scooter November 23rd, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    “Mad Dog” did not fall off the face of the earth. I listen to his show on Siriua all the time and there are alot of WFAN listeners that call in and say they followed him to Sirius. There are also a whole new group of listeners from around the country who had heard of Russo before and now are glad they can listen to him everyday.

    And he spends quite a bit of time talking about all the NY area teams. So much so that the rest of the listeners from other parts of the country call in and call him on it.

    Russo solo is a good show, he can actually carry a show by himself, unlike Francessa. He lets the callers get their point across and doesn’t act like a know it all like Francessa either.

    Also, he gets really good guests for all sports. He’s doing just fine and gaining a more national audience.

  56. Jeremy November 23rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    randy l,

    Have you ever watched The Shawshank Redemption? It includes what must be the greatest “obtuse” reference in movies.

  57. Jeremy November 23rd, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Neither Sheets nor Burnett is exactly a safe bet. If they have the same injury risk, then sure, I would rather give Sheets 3 years than Burnett 5. But Sheets is probably a worse injury risk than Burnett.

    The Yankees may feel that they will have a bigger chance of a Pavano redux with Sheets than Burnett, even if Sheets takes fewer years.

    I agree with the basic premise that Burnett seems like a bad bet. In fact, I would be deeply surprised if he winds up a Yankee because he brings up so many red flags. I think there’s a much better chance we sign Lowe than Burnett.

  58. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Jeremy
    November 23rd, 2008 at 12:11 pm
    “I was also surprised by the refence to ARod. I remember one mention by Pete of ARod walking off when reporters wanted to get a quote from him. Otherwise he has always seemed open to the media, even as Pete has portrayed him on this blog.”

    ———————————————————

    The ones Rodriguez won’t talk to are the ones that have trashed him in print and made remarks about his personal life. Now, they’re upset because he won’t tlk to them. DiMaggio, Mantle, Maris, Munson and other Yankee players have done the same thing. Even Steinbrenner cut off certain wrters at the knees. Who could blame theseguys…other than the writers he won’t talk to.

  59. G. Love November 23rd, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Pete — From what I’ve read about Boston and Tex, Theo is throwing out there that they keep Lowell at 3b, put Tex at 1b and move Youkilis to LF (believe it or not). They they would move Bay to RF and Drew to CF.

    They think that the Crisp trade was to open this as a possibility.

    Obviously, CF defense would drop with Drew in CF vs. Ellsbury, but I’m sure they would work Ellsbury in and use him as a defensive replacement.

    Same thing with Youk. I imagine he would play most game in LF but would end up playing a lot of 3b as well. They’re not worried about Youk’s defense in LF after 8 years of Manny in LF.

    That’s a dangerous lineup with Tex and I can see it happening.

    I don’t think they are posturing at all. I think they are in it to get him.

    Pitching against that lineup would be very difficult. The only weak links offensively would be Lowrie and the catcher. 1-7 would be a nightmare to deal with and would work counts so high that most pitchers aren’t going to make it to 5 innings.

  60. Braintrust November 23rd, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Jeremy-

    I also thought of Shawshank when I heard “Obtuse”. I have to watch that film again.

    Warden Samuel Norton: That’s assuming Blatch is still there. Chances are excellent he’d be released by now.
    Andy Dufresne: Well they’d have his last known address, names of relatives. It’s a *chance*, isn’t it.
    [Norton shakes his head]
    Andy Dufresne: How can you be so obtuse?
    Warden Samuel Norton: What? What did you call me?
    Andy Dufresne: Obtuse. Is it deliberate?
    Warden Samuel Norton: Son, you’re forgetting yourself.
    Andy Dufresne: The country club will have his old time cards. Records, W-2s with his name on them. Sir, if I ever get out, I’d never mention what happens here. I’d be just as indictable as you for laundering that money.
    [Norton slaps the table]
    Warden Samuel Norton: Don’t you *ever* mention money to me again, you sorry SON OF A BITCH! NOT IN THIS ROOM, NOT ANYWHERE.

    -Courtesy of IMDB

  61. Ariel November 23rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    The negotiating game between the Yankees and Boras is absolutely fascinating. Scottie well knows that the only “real money”, if there is any at all, for Manny is locked in the Bronx vault. He also knows (as do most) that he has open season hunting for a home for Teix in Anaheim, NY, Boston and possibly Baltimore.

    IF he decides on and places Teix in a home other than NY early on (but after CC signs), he has, so he probably believes, the Yankees right where he wants them….Manny “may” then be their most viable option for a Big Bat which he believes they desparately want and certainly need. To Boras, it’s a Hobson’s Choice for the Bombers (this assumes Boras believes Adam Dunn will be gone by then or is not a viable choice for the Yankees).

    So, negotiate and find a home for Teix “early” (that’s a relative term for Scottie..it means, not “really late”) and then his bargaining position with the Yankees for Manny is improved considerably, especially if CC ends up elswhere. Assuming CC does not go to LA, he has LA as his fallback for Manny if he has mis-calculated.

    If he is correct, Manny can then build his Manny Manse in Washington Heights and re-name the locale Mannywood East, as Boras had previously told him he could.

  62. ANSKY November 23rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Pete I’m with you on Burnett. Only way I’d endorse him getting 5 years from NY is 3 years plus 2 team option years. If he gets 5 years from Boston, fine. A 2 or 3 years from now we might all want to thank him when his arm hurts at a crucial time in the season.

    Sheets for 2 or 3 years? I’d say ‘how about 2 plus 1, Ben?’ but he probably wouldn’t go for it.

    CC & Lowe would be my first choices for the rotation, in that order. Either Burnett or Sheets as the third guy, but due to health concerns sign them for three guaranteed years or less, or don’t sign them at all. “They can be pitch … if healthy” is the ‘Pavano’ lesson learned over the past 4 years Sign Pettitte for a year if we don’t sign three new pitchers. And don’t trade Hughes.

    Also agree YMCA, Cotton Eye Joe and the sample-length version Kate Smith’s God Bless America have all jumped the shark. Good points I hope they can give consideration to in the front office.

    A reunion tour of the ANSKY guys from the ’98 Adidas commercials, however, would work for a year. But I confess maybe a guy who goes by the handle ‘ANSKY’ could be a tad biased on that one. :)

    I’m still firm on ‘Just say no’ to Manny. Personality quirks, posing after HRs and monster stats aside, never take on someone who’ll sacrifice the team for himself. It’s supposed to work the other way around.

    NY shouldn’t get in a bidding war with Boston over Tiexiera if Boston doesn’t unload Lowell first. Maybe there’s an outside chance to land Tex and the backup plan with Swisher is to keep out of that. Tex would be better but if doesn’t happen that way, Swisher’s still a pretty good defensive first baseman. He’ll probably bounce back from his .219 season and turn back into an average enough hitter who fits well in the bottom third of the order. In ’08 NY lacked even that kind of hitter at a few positions most of the time.

  63. Bad Scooter November 23rd, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    “vinny-b *Behold the sword of Urlacher*
    November 23rd, 2008 at 11:14 am
    and somewhere Tyrone Willingham, is laughing his @ss off.”

    Please explain to me why a coach who is 0-11 in 2008 and was fired weeks ago and is 11-36 at Washington is laughung his butt off? Ty is a terrible football coach and a terrible recruiter as evidenced by his stops at ND and Washington. ND is lucky they canned him when they did or it would’ve been worse.

    And what did you expect from an ND team that came off a 3-9 season where they were blown out numerous times. Realistic ND fans thought a 7 or 8 win season and maybe a bowl win. They’re going to a bowl. Next year is the key year for Weis. Right now all his talent is in his freshmen and sophomore classes and the’ll be a year older. He has to go 10-2 next year with the schedule he has, just has to. He’s done a great job recruiting the last two years and hopefully has another great class. Having the #1 class on Scout after a 3-9 season is saying something.

    All that being said, I’m still shocked that ND can’t run the ball at all. Also, I’ve never seen a more flat, emotionless ND team in all my life. A lot of college football is emotion and ND rarely shows up with any. It’s a joke. Weis has one more year in my mind or he’ll be on his way back to the NFL again.

  64. ANSKY November 23rd, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    “They can be pitch … if healthy”
    Arrrgh … typo!
    “They can pitch … if healthy.”

    Sorry.

  65. Ariel November 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    “Pitching is the Name of the Game”….so they say, and in a one game playoff or short series, yes it is. But over a 162 game season, a team that goes all the way needs consistency from its everday lineup. Last year, there was none….a series often went..1-2, 3-2, 0-6, 15-5….you don’t do much better than 3rd in the AL East with an inconsistent morabund lineup. And this year, absent a Big Bat or Bats, it will be worse, for reasons previously stated.

    My sense, and contrary to the views of the NY Press and related media, the Yankees (I would like to believe well know this) will take the necessary steps to supplement an otherwise mediocre, if not abysmal, starting lineup. Absent so doing, revenues will decline in a manner tied to the failings of the team….and the Yankees cannot permit that to happen. A boring team (which will be on the field, if left as it) does not sell.

  66. mel November 23rd, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Good morning, Pete. Nice to know you’re alive. Do we get a win today? I know you said you’re not paying attention to football, but you can’t fool us.

    Side note, the current economic crisis is a result of 30 years of Americans living above and beyong their means. Yes, there were oversight issues. Yes, there were abuses by the rating agencies (Moody’s, S&P). Yes, the former federal reserve chairman who served with both parties, admitted making mistakes. This is an economic problem, not a political one.

    Back to baseball. I know Johnny’s made out to be a total idiot or buffoon, but when he talks I listen (lol, like that Charles Scwab guy). He’s the only one who said the Yankees would make it to the post-season in ’07, gave his reason, and turned out to be right. So when he gets really excited about AJ Burnett, I’m going to listen. They fear AJ, but they don’t fear CC.

    It may take 4 yrs. or 5, but the Yankees shouldn’t (and aren’t) going to let Boston get AJ. I know they’re not going to give him 5, but he has other reasons to go there. Whether you get CC or not, AJ’s a must IMO.

    I think they can afford 2 out of the 3 from AJ/CC/Tex. AJ & CC shores up the rotation for years. AJ & Tex is the best of both worlds. CC & Tex is less likely just because of the sheer magnitude of the contracts.

    Still can’t believe that $75-$85M for AJ’s even an issue, when a pitcher like Dempster just got $52M.

    When Johnny Damon talks, we all need to stop and listen.

  67. Buddy Biancalana November 23rd, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    mel-

    Haha! Wasn’t that E.F. Hutton?

  68. mel November 23rd, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    Buddy,

    Yeah, it probably was. And I totally butchered Schwab’s name. Sorry, for all the typos. And it’s beyond, not some new paraphenalia!

  69. PAT M November 23rd, 2008 at 1:01 pm

    Ariel, I’m in your corner with the lineup concerns….They’ll get Sabathia and maybe Sheets, who I’m seeing as a better option than AJ & his 5 years…..Just think 5 years ago right now, the Marlins had just upset the Yanks in the 03 Series….Now just about their entire starting rotation can be had ( minus Beckett )….Penny, Pavano, Burentt and Willis can be had when the next blue light special arrives which will be next week at the Winter meetings….He maybe a cheap gamble…..Nick in SF,,,loving the Jets ( + 5 1/2 )to give the Nashville boys their first loss…..Pats plus 1 is looking good as well…..

  70. Drive 4-5 November 23rd, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Ariel,

    Your logic is frighteningly on the mark. And this is coming from someone who is firmly in the anti Manny camp.

  71. ANSKY November 23rd, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Buddy:

    Yes … it was EF Hutton! I remember! OK so you’re at least as old as me and Mel isn’t. Or Mel’s as old as me but she’s starting to get prematurely senile. :)

    Mel I’m with you on AJ only for 3 max guaranteed plus team option years. It may take a slightly higher per year amount or a signing bonus (paid out before the income tax increase) but if it totals the 5 years he wants and he takes it, then here’s to it. But limit the guaranteed years.

    We do hear he can be good, Johnny.

  72. CB November 23rd, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    “From what I’ve read about Boston and Tex, Theo is throwing out there that they keep Lowell at 3b, put Tex at 1b and move Youkilis to LF (believe it or not). They they would move Bay to RF and Drew to CF.”

    Rumors that are leaked like this one make me think that Boston is only trying to increase the price of bidding on Tex.

    There is no way they would run that outfield out there.

    It would be – hands down – the worst defensive outfield in baseball.

    Playing each player so out of position like that would significantly damage any of their offensive output.

    J.D. cannot play CF. He just does not have the range, especially at Fenway Park where center is deep.

    Bay in RF – stretches plausibility. He is an absolutely awful defensive player and has a terrible, terrible arm. His best position might be DH now that his knees are shot. RF is not easy to play at Fenway.

    Youklis in LF might work I suppose. He’s played some LF in the past.

    I can’t even imagine the Red Sox damaging their team like that especially to integrate a 1b. Tex is better than Youkilis – but he’s not that much better.

    Tex is just a poor fit given Boston’s personnel and long term commitments.

    Unless they can trade Lowell or east his salary I’m skeptical.

    And that realignment in the outfield seems very unlikely – unless Theo is really willing to just flush his defense down the toilet. Which I don’t see him doing.

  73. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story November 23rd, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    Okay, so now Syracuse starts winning, after firing their coach…

    That’s for a great football team during my college career guys…

  74. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers November 23rd, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Jets off to a nice start

  75. mel November 23rd, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Rebecca,

    How are you doing? You must be swamped with real-life stuff. What conference are Syracuse and Buffalo in?

    Hawaii fans are cheering for a Pac-10 opponent if we qualify for our own bowl. The thought being they prefer Stanfurd over Buffalo. But I’d love to see Buffalo after watching Outside the Lines this morning.

    Did anyone catch it? It’s about how a team gave up their bid for the Tangerine Bowl because 2 of their players were banned for the color of the their skin.

    For that reason alone, I think it’s be very cool if Buffalo qualified for the Hawaii Bowl. It’d be cool if UH qualified, too. Need one more win, knock on wood.

  76. ANSKY November 23rd, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Ariel …

    A big bat is a plus, I totally agree. But I think a bigger problem of the ’08 lineup was the number of feeble bats. How many guys in how many games were hitting below the Mendoza line last year? For a while, it was common to see Cano, Melky, Molina, or sometimes Christian, Gardner, Pudge (usually between 2 and 4 of them) in the lineup with batting averages in the .150-.250 range. And often .250 would be an optimistic guess. That just flat-out sucks.

    And when Giambi was on a “tear” he got over .260 for a stretch. In the end, he hit about .250 and it felt like a good season for him. Again, that sucks.

    A big bat like Manny is not needed. The ’98 team was an absolute machine and nobody on that team hit 30HR. But everybody in ’98 contributed with a good degree of consistency. And there was depth at pitching.

  77. ANSKY November 23rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm

    Point being, which I only partly implied, is that the ’07 lineup lacked consistency & balance more than it lacked a big bat. Even replacing all the feeble bats with average bats would have made a huge difference.

    You just can’t send three guys to the plate with .150, .180 and .220 averages each day, and think you’ll score the 1,000 runs it takes to overcome a decimated pitching staff.

    Add a big bat to knock those guys in? When are they even on base to be knocked in?

    If that consistency and balance had been happening around him, A-Rod could have been a bigger bat than he was last year. But that’s not to say a monster year by A-Rod would have been the difference. To the contrary, actually. If A-Rod performed to his ’07 level, the team still would have sucked ‘

    And with A-Rod performing to the level he did, simply adding a big bat would not have been the difference maker in ’08.

  78. Joe from Long Island November 23rd, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Pete – I get the impression that you really like sports and writing about it. You must love your job.

    1. I understand the fear about longterm deals and AJ, but it sounds like Sheets may need nearly immediate TJ surgery. Also, a 5-year deal could clog a spot down the road for Phil or Brackman, McAllister – although I agree with Cash that “all prospects are suspect.” If it gets to the point where only a 5-year deal will do it, then maybe we should look at Jon Garland.

    2. I really don’t think the Red Sox are serious about Tex. It really goes against their modus operandi.

    3. Good column by Joel Sherman. I think asking Moose to call CC is a good idea, better than anyone could do.

    4. Of the few sidekicks that I heard with Francesa, Kim Jones seemed best, to me. It would be a step up for her career, also, I think. However, I would miss her on the Yankee broadcasts. (I wonder if she has to work under certain restrictions in that gig, spoken or unspoken. It is an in-house position, after all; not the same journalistic freedom that Pete would have working for an independent outlet.)

    Back to the Jets.

  79. Tom November 23rd, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    I’m not a Jets fan, but, Dustin Keller is such a good player.

  80. vinny-b *Behold the sword of Urlacher* November 23rd, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    “Please explain to me why a coach who is 0-11 in 2008 and was fired weeks ago and is 11-36 at Washington is laughung his butt off? Ty is a terrible football coach and a terrible recruiter as evidenced by his stops at ND and Washington. ND is lucky they canned him when they did or it would’ve been worse”

    frankly, it’s not important enough to me, to debate.

    enjoy your Chris Russo.

  81. Paco Dooley November 23rd, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    The vacation was pretty short! Great comments – I hope you really don’t do a full scale vacation or I’ll be with one fewer outlet to read. I like the comment on Chris Russo. But even without him in that time slot there is still Mike Francesa, and so I still won’t listen to the show…

  82. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD November 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Stanfurd ain’t going to no bowl games thanks to its Big Game loss to the Golden Bears!

  83. vinny-b *Behold the sword of Urlacher* November 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Peter: thank you for the update. And the postive news regarding Phil Hughes.

    enjoy the vacation.

  84. Joey's Poodle November 23rd, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Kim Jones was the best of the auditioning sidekicks for Francesa — and for me to be convinced of this was quite a step, since I have had nothing but contempt for her dreadful performance on Yes postgame shows, where her questions are those of a thirdgrader and her manner is scarcely better.

    Imagine my amazement when she showed intelligence, knowledge, and the ability to stand up to a blowhard without becoming strident on Mike’s show. I had to watch her a couple of times there to believe it was true. To appear there regularly could completely resurrect her career from laughing-stock to credible commentator, since it shows her in a whole new and much more favorable light.

    Hope she can move on since this is obviously a far better direction for her. She would be no loss to the YES post-game show and they could move on, too, replacing her with someone who can perform well in that setting. Win-win all around.

  85. Ariel November 23rd, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Ansky,

    You are absolutely correct as to last year; a monster year by A-Rod,alone, would not have saved the season. The last three spots (and possibly more) in the lineup were filled by Mendoza line batsmen (based on their 08 performance…. Molina, Betamit, Cabrera, Gardner, Duncan etc. “Hopefully” this year, those slots in the lineup will be better manned.

    Were the Yankees to get the “Big Bats”, the following lineup could be fielded;

    CF Damon
    ss Jeter
    1B Teix
    3B A-Rod
    DH Manny
    C Posada
    2b Cano
    RF Nady
    LF Swisher

    Bench

    Matsui
    Gardner
    Ransom
    Molina

    I don’t see a weak spot with the above, barring injuries.

    If no Teix, Swisher goes to 1B, and assuming no other deals, Swisher goes to 1B, Gardner to Cf, Damon to LF, or Matsui/Manny to left with Damon remaining in CF A-Rod, moves up to 3rd and Manny to cleanup. …Still not a bad lineup. Even if no Teix, the Swisher deal plugs up some of the holes.

    Obviously, many on this board have different views as to Manny, but that’s expected. But don’t be shocked if Manny is the only Big Bat available….(it serves no purpose to trundle out the “why we need Manny” points as most of this readership has made up their minds). Tho I “don’t believe what I hear or read during FA season unless it’s “we have signed”….”, the “droppings” thus far (Hank’s and Girardi) suggest that under a certain set of circumstances they will be a player for Manny.

  86. kimmiebruce November 23rd, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    I TOTALLY agree with you Pete–YMCA and Cotton Eye Joe (and Joey) have got to go next year!

  87. Joe from Long Island November 23rd, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    An idea – if AJ is looking for a 5 year deal….And length of contract is the sticking point, rather than money….

    Instead of 15 per times 5…How about 19 per times 4 years?

  88. Ariel November 23rd, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Ansky,

    I forgot to add my comment regarding the teams of the late 90s..conspicuous by its absence in present day Yankeeland are the clutch performing grinders, who collectively were winners. We now have none. No Paulie, Tino, Scottie, Jeter I, Bernie etc. There is not one single current day Yankee who played last year who could be considered a “grinder”.

    Jeter is not the same Jeter, plain and simple. He goes with the flow, thst’s it. Swisher may be, but that’s yet to be determined. This team cannot be so re-invented…the nucleus is not there…management must fill the holes that exist within the current context.

  89. george November 23rd, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    “The Yankees look at their inflated 2008 payroll as being the result of some mistakes”

    the difference between signing Giambi after 2001 and Teixeira now is that you knew then Giambi was not athletic and could not field. Teixeira’s a different animal.

  90. ANSKY November 23rd, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Ariel

    Agreed. And even if there was only one bat at the Mendoza line (Gardner or Molina) as long as they were defensive specialists, it would still be far a better lineup than the tripe we paraded out there in ’08 with 2, 3, 4 or more members of the Mendoza family.

    And if there was no option but to run one (and only one) Mendoza out there, the expectations the fans put on the best 4 or 5 batters wouldn’t be to produce as much offense as 9 batters normally would.

    People forget that even if Nick Swisher has an average year for him it’ll be a huge upgrade, whether it’s defensive upgrade from Giambi or an offensive upgrade from Mario Mendoza’s offspring.

    And a full season of the real Nady, Matsui, Posada and Cano (specifically, Mr Second Half) would be a big upgrade w/o adding anyone new.

    But we could still do better, and should try to do so. Adding a big bat like Tex and/or a good all-around OF to that lineup would be better of course. But if either of those two can’t be gotten, it can’t really get worse than ’08.

  91. Drive 4-5 November 23rd, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Ariel,

    Realisticly,the Yankees arent going to pay Heidecki Matsui $13mil in ’09 to sit on the bench. I like your lineup, but I would substitute Matsui for Ramirez. That’s a darn good lineup.

  92. ANSKY November 23rd, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Unless Manny was in the mix.

  93. Ariel November 23rd, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Guys,

    It’s unlikely Matsui would end up on the bench very often. As I mentioned in an earlier post, a FAQ in Yankeeland 09, will be “who is on the DL today”….so if Hideki isn’t, someone else probably will be.
    will be.

  94. ANSKY November 23rd, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    Drive – Agreed, as everyone probably knows from my rants, I think Matsui would be a better all-around OF than Manny even if Manny could go on an offensive tear for half the season.

    Matsui may not be the all-star OF he was 5 years ago but even with that, he’s going to be far better in the field than Manny of you had the nerve to put a glove on Manny.

    And Matsui would NEVER lay down on his team like Manny has. Even though he’s in his early 30′s, he’s still got the work ethic of one of those grinders you need.

    I know Matsui will probably have a spell where he’s batting .280 and hitting into some DP’s, and people will dump on him (and remind me) for that. But I remember seeing Manny’s average floating around below .300 for a while too.

    I’ll also remember that Matsui at .280 is still a big upgrade from having as many feeble bats as we did in ’08.

  95. Ralph November 23rd, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Pete is obsessed with Cotton Eye Joe and the YMCA. Its between innings at the stadium. Who cares?

  96. Joey's Poodle November 23rd, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    The 4 million attending games at the Stadium?

  97. dave November 23rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    I havent been listening to the fan much recently. What happened to Russo? Where did he go? He was ridiculously obnoxious and annoying regarding yankees talk anyway so I cant really say im sad to hear that he isnt around but im curious as to what happened. Can anyone explain?

  98. eric in queens November 23rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    I can’t sleep at night. Who’s gonna be the backup middle infielder? I think they should have held on to AG.

    No news here: Mike Francesa is atrocious by himself. How many times can someone say the Pittsburgh game last week was “fishy” but “there’s no corruption.” Does that even make sense?

    Unfortunately, I don’t think Kim Jones is very good either. She does a decent job reporting, but her commentary, I think, sucks.

  99. ANSKY November 23rd, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Pete didn’t seem obsessed about Cotton Eye Joe and YMCA, Ralph … he’s just stating the obvious: Their time has come and gone.

    Unless you go to the stadium once every few years, then maybe they’re not old. But even if you only go to the stadium a couple times a year, they are really getting old. To mention it just a few times over the season is not to obsess about it.

  100. Evan November 23rd, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Would success go to Kim Jones’ head?

    I’m afraid if she gets a big time gig, she’ll become spoiled and buy $150,000 in clothes ;(

  101. aron November 23rd, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    kim is good but not on the radio in bed she is pro very good

  102. Rick November 23rd, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    I don’t know about anyone else but I am getting bad vibes on CC pitching for the Yankees. I have a funny feeling he wants nothing to do with New York.

    Unfortunately, the Yankees are going to have to overpay for Lowe or Burnett or be shutout.

  103. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 23rd, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    “kim is good but not on the radio in bed she is pro very good”

    What do you know about that ?

  104. EdWhitson November 23rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    With the exception of Peter, I have never heard anyone complain about “God Bless America” in the 7th. In fact, most seem to enjoy it. Watch Section 39 – American flags are on display and a chant of U.S.A. can be heard. Nobody seems to have a problem except Peter – not sure what his issue is. Frankly, he’s never explained his thiking, but I would be interested in hearing an argument. His argument – “if it is so patriotic, than do it every inning” is what people do when they do not have a cogent argument; they take an extreme position that is untenable. Textbook move if you can argue the facts and also totally JV. A semi – intelligent person can see through it. Peter, you are better than that.

  105. dave November 23rd, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Didnt sabathia himself say he wanted the negotiations to be quick and painless? Why does this seem like he is doing everything he can to draw this out? You get the largest pitching contract offer in the history of baseball atleast come talk to the team. By giving us the cold shoulder, it seems like these negotiations will be the exact opposite of what sabathia said he supposedly wanted.

  106. dave November 23rd, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Someone please explain what happened to Russo? I am dying to know

  107. aron November 23rd, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    i can see it on her eyes

  108. PAT M November 23rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    Winter Meetings begin next week ???? That’s when it all will begin….This is time for posturing & speculation, as always…The calm before the storm…..Things will be much different in two weeks from now…..

  109. Bad Scooter November 23rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    “— The more you watch Weis and Romeo Crennel coach their own teams, the more you realize what a tremendous coach Bill Belichick is.”

    Hey Pete? How many Super Bowls has Belichick won since Weis and Romeo left? What’s that? Zero, zilch, nada. Oh. ok.

  110. Drive 4-5 November 23rd, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Joey’s Poodle
    November 23rd, 2008 at 3:13 pm
    The 4 million attending games at the Stadium?

    Pete’s right. Cotton Eyed Joe has run its course and should go.

    The YMCA deal is still surprisingly accepted. It goes on while the infield is being dragged and it just serves as a diversion.

    I attend a lot of games and I’ve yet to ever hear a single soul complain about God Bless America in the 7th inning. As a matter of fact, far more folks sing along with God Bless America than they do the national anthem.The playing of the song began when games resumed after the 9/11 attacks. Folks look at it as a remembrance of 9/11. It has less to do with a show of patriotism than it does remembering the victims. I’m as liberal as they come,but I have never felt inconvenienced by what the Yankees do in the 7th innings. It’s overwhelmingly popular with the fans and should stay.

  111. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD November 23rd, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    So I guess this means the Giants can’t take down another 18-0 team in the Super Bowl, huh?

  112. OldYanksFan November 23rd, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    — It’s astonishing how many people think the Yankees will sign three big-name players. The Yankees look at their inflated 2008 payroll as being the result of some mistakes, not a template to build the 2009 team.
    ————————————————
    I agree. Jeter(2), Posada(3), Mo(2) and ARod(Armageddon).
    4 expensive players with 1,2 or maybe 3 in decline ib their last year. Now add 2 grossly overpriced FA’s with 5 ,6 or 8 year contracts.
    Now next year, we lose Mats and JD. Me can’t count on AJax, so our OF is Nady and Brett? So now people will cry for 1, or maybe 2 overpriced, log contract FAs?

    They people will wonder why we have a prolonged time of 3rd place finishes sometime in 5-10 years from now?

    I say get ONE of CC or Tex, whoever the FP thinks will be the most productive over their contract. Save that extra draft pick or 2. Look for more Swisher like deals… a decent player where we give up very little. Bite the bullet in 2009 and see what happens. Another 3rd place finish might get us a decent pick.

    Now next year, we should have an idea how vakluable Phil and IPK are, We will have a better handle on AJax and other young pitchers on the farm. Get Holliday and/or Crawford, or another high end, well rounded FA…. they will be cheaper next year because of the economy.

    With the picks from 2008 and 2009, and CC or Tex, plus Holiday and Crawford, we have a solid team in 2010, and our farm is maturing.

    While CC and Tex are excellent players, there will be other studs in 2009 and 2010. We are still rebuilding. We need to stay as yound and flexible as possible. THEN, knowing better what the farm looks like, and having decent picks for 2 years, we are in a much better place to smartly build the next dynasty.

    Making bad/expensive decisions because WE MUST WIN in 2009 is not smart. There is life, and baseball, after 2009.

  113. BBFan November 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    I think that it is fair that CC takes time to see what his options are. It is a major decision for him. Just because Yanks threw at him insane amount of money, he does not have to accept it so quickly.

    I believe it will be settled one way or the other during the winter meetings.

    Also, at that time there is a very good possibility that Yanks will trade for Peavy for a package that does not include Hughes, but may include Swisher or Nady (may be even to a third team). And, yanks will land Tex.

    So, the total payroll added will be aorund 56mil for 2009(CC: 25m, Tex: 20m and Peavy: 11m – check his contract and he may get acouple of option years added.

    Given that in 2010, 24mil will come off the board for Damon and Matssui, they may even push for Manny as well at 25m for three years.

  114. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 23rd, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    “So I guess this means the Giants can’t take down another 18-0 team in the Super Bowl, huh?”

    Watching this game Tennessee hasn’t played well at all but they are getting ripped off on PI calls right now by the refs. It doesn’t matter th Jets deserve to win this game the way they came in and played I’m also surprised no interception by Farve. 8O

  115. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD November 23rd, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    I thought Farve threw a pick in the first half? I don’t know, I was on the road, but it looked like I saw one in the halftime highlights. I’m in a big bar full of Ravens vs Eagles fans, it’s hilarious.

  116. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 23rd, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    I hope the Giants let Ahmad play today and not keep him locked up in his usual cell.

  117. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 23rd, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Nick what’s the score for the Ravens vs Eagles game ?

  118. HillBilllShakespeare November 23rd, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    In regard to Burnett and five years: Why are the yankees being such nancies? People act like their isn’t a gambling element in signing players in baseball. When I hear that the yankees are experiencing trepidations about signing burnett because of Pavano, I feel like I”m getting roasted by my girlfriend because her exboyfriend was a prick. I don’t know, just seems weak and retroactive to me…

  119. Bronx Liaison November 23rd, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    All I have to say is… J-E-T-S..

  120. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD November 23rd, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    22-7 ravens in the 4th, philly is drivibg

  121. mel November 23rd, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Nick,

    Honestly. You’re worse than the Dynasty Yankee fans. ;)

    And yes, Favre had a pick. He looked shocked as usual after the pick. Like, “Huh? How did that happen?”

    Who did you take in the Patriots/Fins game?

  122. Tom November 23rd, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Will Donovan McNabb ever start another game for Philly?

  123. RalphieD (Cant Wait for Spring Training) November 23rd, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    great to here hughes is throwing 94-95 again…with that velocity+ his new cutter+ his nasty curve…sounds good to me…..only 22 yrs old….lets keep the faith on him

  124. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD November 23rd, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Ravens just had a 100-yard pick-6, this place went nuts.

    Mel, I take umbrage at your foul comparison, I’ve been a Giants fan since pre-86. And I took the Pats, they’ve been great lately.

  125. ANSKY November 23rd, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    EdWhitson

    I’ve mentioned God Bless America before, so have some othres. IMO the version they play in th e7th inning of every game is an old, scratchy and abbreviated recording. Beyond my opinion, that’s a fact.

    Oh and it’s NOT unpatriotic to say something is over-done or over-patriotic. At some point, over doing anything eventually leads to a lack of interest. Wouldn’t a lack of interest be unpatriotic?

    If once every weekend or two, or at special games, there was a professional singer doing something along the lines of it (God Bless America or something else) then it would be far more special IMO.

  126. mel November 23rd, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    RalphieD,

    Agreed. But I can’t put much stock in what the scouts say. They’ve given Phil great reports for years, but according to some board members here they don’t know what they’re talking about.

    I wonder if he’s gone back to his original mechanics? Despite what people say here, Phil could get it up there in high school.

  127. Fran November 23rd, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    What a great all-around game by the Jets.
    J-E-T-S – Jets, Jets, Jets

  128. mel November 23rd, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Nick,

    I’m just kidding. You keep crowing about your “Dynasty” Giants which they would obviously be if they make it to the Super Bowl 2 years in a row. :)

  129. vinny-b *Behold the sword of Urlacher* November 23rd, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    “Watching this game Tennessee hasn’t played well at all but they are getting ripped off on PI calls right now by the refs. It doesn’t matter th Jets deserve to win this game the way they came in and played I’m also surprised no interception by Farve”

    both pass interference calls were legit. On the second penalty, the reason Coles tried to catch the ball with one hand, is cuz the defender was holding his other arm.

    the Jets have played hard every game this year, and have a roster of very talented players. The difference is, the coaching staff showed up this week, and prepared an excellent gameplan (for a change)

  130. Bronx Jeers November 23rd, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    The Kate Smith version of GBA that they play leaves a a lot to be desired IMO. It sounds like it´s being broadcast from inside a tin can.

    This is from the Wikipedia article on the song.

    Yankee Stadium is the only Major League ballpark to play “God Bless America” in every game during the seventh-inning stretch. The team’s YES Network televises its performance during each game before going to a commercial. Interestingly, some claim this offers a competitive advantage to the Yankees because at Yankee Stadium, Ronan Tynan sings an especially long version of the song at certain games (including all playoff games), during which time the opposing pitcher is unable to warm up. Some pitchers have complained that this affects their rhythm…

    While I don´t have a serious objection to the song being played, I wonder if overplaying it has somehow diminished it´s intended message. I wouldn´t miss it that´s for sure.

    However I do have a serious objection to Cotton Eyed Joe, YMCA and Get Ready For This as the Yanks take the field.

  131. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD November 23rd, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Hey, this is a great time to be a Giants fan, but the word “dynasty” has not crossed my keyboard.
    I will admit that I’m buying my unsuspecting Pats-fan cousin, who us with me at this bar, a Patriots AFC Championship t-shirt. I’m sure he’ll love it.

  132. E-Man November 23rd, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    “This is another below the belt line from you just reflecting your desire to criticise A-Rod and Girardi at any cost.

    A-Rod may be lot of things, but he does not distance from the media. He talks to the media even after tough losses, more than many others on the team including Jeter. Obviously, he does nto want to talk about his personal stuff and that is none of your business.”

    I take it that you’re in the media? I have 2 sports reporters in my family and they would agree, Arod is a @!*# when it comes to talking with the media.

    And more than Jeter? Really? Did you forget about the All Star game already? One guy stayed the entire game and talked to press at 2 in the morning.. the other guy left early and went to a party.

  133. RalphieD (Cant Wait for Spring Training) November 23rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    “RalphieD,

    Agreed. But I can’t put much stock in what the scouts say. They’ve given Phil great reports for years, but according to some board members here they don’t know what they’re talking about.

    I wonder if he’s gone back to his original mechanics? Despite what people say here, Phil could get it up there in high school”

    yea it will be better to see him actually do it when it counts but for now i can only go on what i hear

  134. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story November 23rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    In the library and I missed the Jets game, but HECK YEAH!

    J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS

  135. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 23rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Plax and Toomer start off w/ butter fingers :roll:

  136. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD November 23rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    My Jets-fan dad just called from Mexico, he’s excited.

  137. dave November 23rd, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    oldyanksfan,

    You say not to sign two longterm high priced deals this off season for CC and Tex but to go after crawford and holiday next off season? CC and Tex are both young and two of the best at their positionin the sport. I think we should sign both of them.

    HillBill,

    You cant see why giving AJ five years would be a HUGE mistake or how it could run paralel to Pavano? Most teams try to learn from their mistakes. 3 yrs for Burnett is ok, 4 is pushing it but 5 is just asking for trouble. He has been on the dl ten times in ten years. He ONLY pitches well the year before his free agents off seasons. Outside of that small sample, he just isnt that good of a pitcher at all. His last quality season before the last half of last season was 2002. He has thrown more than 173 innings three times in his ten year career. When were those years? 2008, 2005 and 2002. It just happens that his free agents years were 2005 and 2008. So not only does he do his best pitching those seasons but he only pitches a full season those seasons. That shows he cares about himself more than the team and isnt really a competitor. he is going to be 32 this off season so he is begging for five years to get one last payday before he completely collapses ie carl pavano. I would be surprised if AJ has even on good season left in his future.

    Compare that to Ben Sheets. He has only pitched less than 151 innings twice so although he quite frequently has fluke injuries he tries to pitch through them. Furthermore, he has consistently had a whip under 1.2 (4 of the last 5 seasons.) He has had an era under 4 every season for the last five seasons and an era under 3.33 3 of the last 5 seasons. As opposed to Aj’s ridiculous demands of five years for a player that is constantly injured, Sheets is looking for two years with a team option. That is much more rational for a pitcher that is flatout better (sheets is much better than AJ.)

  138. mel November 23rd, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    dave,

    If Sheets is so much better than AJ, then why won’t Sheets be getting a 5 year deal? Why would he sign anywhere for 2 years? Oh, that’s right. Sheets isn’t healthy at the moment.

    Does Sheets have better “stuff” than AJ? (honest question, I don’t know the answer). Please also remember that AJ’s pitched in one of the best divisions in baseball and Sheets has pitched in one of the worst.

    I’m trying to be open-minded about Sheets, but I don’t think Sheets is flatout or much better than AJ. I can’t see it.

  139. mel November 23rd, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Please also remember that AJ’s pitched in one of the best divisions in baseball and Sheets has pitched in one of the worst. *(when comparing stats)

  140. jennifer November 23rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Can some please tell me who is in first place in the AFC East?

  141. mel November 23rd, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    CC sighting on the sideline in Arizona! Oh, wait. That was Brandon Jacobs.

  142. PAT M November 23rd, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    I didn’t play the Giants today, but many think the G-Men are not getting out Phoniex today with a W……

  143. dave November 23rd, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Ok, Burnett is looking for five and Sheets is looking for two or three so one would think AJ is better. But AJ is the type of pitcher that gets injured and doesnt play through it whatsoever while Sheets has more freak injuries where he tries to pitch through it. Even AJ;s manager claims that he needs to learn the difference between injury and pain. Furthermore, multiple times teammates and coaches of AJ’s have questioned his motivation and who exactly he was playing for – himself or his team? I dont like his attitude almost as much as i dont like his injury history.

    I understand the difference in divisions but AJ just hasnt really ever been that good in the AL east. outside of the second half of last season where he was pretty much purely pitching for a new contract, he has been pretty average. He has a career whip of 1.28 which is pretty close to his whip in the AL EAST and outside of last season his total record was 20 and 16. two of the three times he pitched more than 200 innings it was obvious he was pitching his heart out for a new contract. Outside of those three seasons, he pitched 165, 135, 120, 82, 42, 23 and 173 innings. That is more along the lines of what we should expect out of AJ. He also had about a 4 era on average in his time in the AL East. He put up his best numbers against us doing last year. AJ finished the first half of last season with a 5.23 era before picking it up the second half. He was either dominating or completely horrendous in any particular game representing his general trend for his career.

    Sheets is also highly injury prone and probably considered more injured at the moment although a physical would probably address that if we got into negotiations with him. His career whip is 1.2 but in his last 5 seasons, he has consistently pitched much closer to a whip of 1. Last couple of years, he had a whip of 1.15, 1.23, 1.09, 1.06, 0.98. His era was 3.09, 3.82, 3.33 and 2.7. Era+ was 139. 117, 119, 128, 162. Compared to Aj: 105, 119, 115, 112, 89. It is clear that most years Sheets was significantly better esp 162, 128 and 139 era plus which was far better than any of AJ’s seasons. Furthermore, Sheets pitches far more innings than AJ in any given year: 198, 141, 106, 156, 237, 220, 216, 151. he was 25 and 14 the last two seasons. Despite being in an easier division, sheets has significantly better numbers than AJ and pitches through injuries while Burnett refuses to even pitch through pain at times. i WOULD take the safer bet and sign sheets for two or three years than burnett for five.

  144. mel November 23rd, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    dave,

    All good points. But where did you see that Sheets was only looking for 2 or 3 years? If he’s as good or better than AJ, I would think he’s looking for a similar contract.

  145. CB November 23rd, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    “Does Sheets have better “stuff” than AJ? (honest question, I don’t know the answer). ”

    Burnett has a better arm and better stuff. But Sheets is the much better pitcher.

    Burnett has absolutely great stuff when he’s on – but he’s inconsistent. He’s an odd pitcher. It often looks like he’s still more a thrower than a pitcher. I think he was gifted with such a great arm that he never fully had to make the transition from a thrower to a guy who really has an approach towards each hitter.

    The biggest difference between them is control. AJ walks more guys than you’d like. Sheets has very good control and command.

    No idea what Sheets’ health is like right now. But when both Sheets and Burnett are healthy, Sheets is the better pitcher – by a good margin.

    If he’s healthy, Sheets would have no problem pitching in the AL East. He has terrific stuff and a very good feel for pitching.

  146. Evan November 23rd, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    Jets vs Giants in the Super Bowl

  147. mel November 23rd, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    CB,

    Thanks for that answer. It qualifies thing quite a bit. Now the next question is, “Why isn’t Ben Sheets on the Yankees’ radar?” Why target Lowe over Sheets? Is his injury (some kind of aggravated flexor muscle) of utmost concern?

  148. dave November 23rd, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Also, look at the control of both. Sheets had 313 walks in 1428 innings while AJ had 568 walks in 1376 innings. Aj is 32 at the start of the season and Sheets will be 30 at the start of the season. AJ has pitched for ten seasons in the majors and sheets has pitched for eight. Notice that despite sheets being younger and in the MLB for two years less times, he has still pitched more innings than AJ implying who has spent more time on the DL.

  149. dave November 23rd, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Mel,

    I read it on mlbtraderumors i believe only a week or so ago. i will try and find the actual article.

  150. AP November 23rd, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Please dump Cotten Eyed Joe and the YMCA. I brought a friend to her first game at the Stadium this year and after those embarrassing songs she turned to me and said, “I thought the Yankees would be much cooler than this.” And they should be. Why do they insist on making the game experience a joke?

  151. AP November 23rd, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    Pete,

    Can you ask those same scouts who had Hughes at 94-95 with ease why they see such a disparity in his velocity from start to start? I can’t think of too many other guys who sit 89-91 most of the time and then suddenly jump to 94-95 within a season. Is it mechanics? Not enough innings when he’s started in the majors? I still don’t know what kind of pitcher he projects as…

  152. dave November 23rd, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    In an injury update from October 31, i read that he does have an elbow injury that i DONT believe he is having surgery on but all reports are he should be ready by spring training. That is probably the major reason that sheets is looking for less years – he is currently injured while all reports are that AJ is fine at the moment. He was originally sidelined for right forearm tightness and elbow pain. Apparently, the pain is caused by a torn muscle in his pitching elbow that prevented him from pitching in the playoffs because it was getting worse at the end of the season. hE WAS lights out before the injury struck last season, Another fluke injury in a long-line of them. On a positive – he is one of the worst hitters in the game and probably wants to leave the batters box of the NL. The yanks should start targeting this guy because this signing could be the very definition of lightening in a bottle. Its a high risk but an extremely high reward

  153. dave November 23rd, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Mel this is one of the links where mlbtraderumors claims sheets could get two or possibly three years and talks a little about the injury:
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....l-ben.html

  154. Tom November 23rd, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Here’s a blurb about Sheets’s elbow.

    “Agent Casey Close said that Sheets’ latest problem — a flexor muscle tear — is expected to fully heal in the offseason. Sheets probably could have pitched in October if the Brewers had shut him down for two or three starts in August. But with the team scrambling for a postseason berth, Sheets didn’t have the luxury of another visit to the disabled list. He threw complete-game, five-hit shutouts against Washington and San Diego in a span of six starts in August and September before the pain became too much to bear.

    “I guess the best way to describe it is, it’s like a hamstring pull in your elbow,” Close said. “There’s no structural damage, and [the doctors] don’t look for any long-term negative impact to the elbow. But the bottom line is, you have to give it the necessary rest and time to heal.””

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3695863

  155. hornblower November 23rd, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Pete,
    Don’t you think that if Boras uses the media so well it is because you guys are so easy to use.

  156. mel November 23rd, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Thanks, guys.

  157. dave November 23rd, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    hornblower- i had the exact same thought when i read that comment. The media eats up any piece of garbage that boras throws at them

  158. Tom November 23rd, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    What in world did ‘Zona just try to do? A free kick?

  159. dave November 23rd, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    When CC said he didnt want to drag this process out and that he wanted it to be fast and easy , i wonder exactly what he meant by that.

  160. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD November 23rd, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    He meant he wanted it settled before Ramadan.

  161. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD November 23rd, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Wow. Now I’m not sure Pete Abe should be Secretary of State after all.

  162. AROD fan November 23rd, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Personally, I would much rather A-rod focus on playing baseball than kissing up to the media.

    And my own player-envy never envies players who are really good at talking to the media, but players who are superior at playing baseball.

    In fact, whenever any player is called good at talking to the media, its always just another way of saying that the player is either mediocre or slightly above average, or almost hall of fame worthy, or whatever… its a way of saying the player is just not good enough at actual baseball.

  163. Nibble Not November 23rd, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Pete – income from renting out the stadium as a movie location would make up for any decline in prices of stadium memorabilia caused by delayed sale.

  164. Carl November 23rd, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Well BO and Mike Francesa do have something in common.. They talk too much trash and both don’t have our best interests at hand.

  165. pettitte November 23rd, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Does anyone know when it is that PinstripePlus is free for a week or whatever? Isn’t it usually around this time?

  166. AROD fan November 23rd, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    Maybe Pete Abe is just being a professional writer and trying to build suspense and use misdirection to dramatize the Yankee blog.

  167. Vince November 23rd, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    I have not really heard Kim Jones on WFAN…. but if it is anything like her pathetic post-game interviews, I’d stay away. She asks some of the dumbest questions imaginable, and is just an annoying personality in general, IMO.

  168. Tom November 23rd, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    I don’t think Pete is going to adapt this blog for T.V.

    It could make for a weird off broadway play though.

  169. alvaro espinoza's hipster frames November 23rd, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    i’m on the kim jones bandwagon – she was the one person who francesa deflected to because she could speak with more authority on the yankees than he could, given her direct contact with players and management. he actually said the words ’cause you’d know better than me’ – when’s the last time you heard him say that?

    i thought he tried to smother and bully everyone else in the studio – especially beningo. i think joe and evan are doing great with their show; i hope they don’t break them up.

  170. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD November 23rd, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    I wish Dashiell Hammett was alive and blogging.

  171. Al from BK( J-E-T-S. CC what are you waiting for? November 23rd, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    “When CC said he didnt want to drag this process out and that he wanted it to be fast and easy , i wonder exactly what he meant by that.”

    He mean’t “If any West Coast team has an offer quickly I will snatch it, however if they don’t I will use the Yankees to drive up my paycheck.”

  172. Al from BK( J-E-T-S. CC what are you waiting for?) November 23rd, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    “I have not really heard Kim Jones on WFAN…. but if it is anything like her pathetic post-game interviews, I’d stay away. She asks some of the dumbest questions imaginable, and is just an annoying personality in general, IMO.”

    Kim was real good with Mike. Nothing like how she is on YES her take was very direct and she actually stood up to Mike a fair deal. I like her a lot better than Carlin or Evan Roberts.

  173. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD November 23rd, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    Al, you are a faux-pessimist on CC.

    The true pessimist says that we will sign CC and that he will then be a huge bust.

  174. Tom November 23rd, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    Nick, The blogging world could use a “hard-boiled” voice.

  175. alvaro espinoza's hipster frames November 23rd, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    and i agree – boras is using the sox, nationals, and orioles to make the angels jealous.

  176. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD November 23rd, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Boom goes the Eli-mite!

  177. Tom November 23rd, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Do those who want Kim Jones on Mike’s show because she’s attractive realize she’d be on the radio?

    Wouldn’t you rather her stay at YES?

  178. Al from BK( J-E-T-S. CC what are you waiting for?) November 23rd, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Jets-Giants superbowl, any takers?

  179. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD November 23rd, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    I’d love to see it, Al. Farve’s favorite receiver — Corey Webster — is waiting.

  180. jennifer November 23rd, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    al- I’ll sign up for that.

    And if you are up for giggles, go check out gotitans.com it is pretty funny.

  181. AP November 23rd, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Do those who want Kim Jones on Mike’s show because she’s attractive realize she’d be on the radio?

    Um, Tom… Mike’s show is simulcast on the YES netork.

  182. Al from BK( J-E-T-S. CC what are you waiting for?) November 23rd, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    “I’d love to see it, Al. Farve’s favorite receiver—Corey Webster—is waiting.”

    Lol. Hes actually kept the INT’s down lately. Giants secondary is not that great.

  183. AP November 23rd, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    network

  184. Tom November 23rd, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    I realize that AP. However, how many people watch it on YES.

  185. bru November 23rd, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    i don’t wan’t any players who do nor wan’t to be here..

    if sabathia signs great if he doesn’t move on.i really am starting to believe that we need tex or another big bat but not manny.

    i don’t like lowe,burnett,sheets and would rather sign perez and maybe make a trade for another pitcher.the yankees should also try to trade matsui,damon.they are gone after next year anyways.also posada,arod are bad contracts.i can deal with mo’s.

  186. Jake November 23rd, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Personally, I’ve been rocking the pessimism/realism angle in the sense that I A) don’t think the Yankees will get CC because B) if they actually do, I am obviously pleased, but if they don’t, I am indifferent and saw it coming.

    Its the best of both worlds.

  187. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers November 23rd, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    No Plax
    No Jacobs
    No Problem! :)

    Where is CC?

  188. Al from BK( J-E-T-S. CC what are you waiting for?) November 23rd, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    If I was a Doctor I would pronounce this hot-stove dead.

  189. Jake November 23rd, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    bru,

    So what you’re saying is you’d like to completely blow up the current team and start from scratch?

    in your thread you mention A-Rod, Posada, Damon, and Matsui as trade-worthy or bad contracts. Does this mean you’d rather not have any of them? Or am I over-interpreting/reading into your comment?

    Just trying to clarify…

  190. Evan November 23rd, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Carl-

    what the heck are you talking about, I was defending Kim, it’s Vince who said insulted Kim.

  191. Carl November 23rd, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    I was talking about another gal named SP.

  192. bru November 23rd, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    the red sox do not like 8 year deals wich is what it will take for tex.they would have to trade lowell,move youk to third.no way drew plays center,theo isn’t that stupid.

    the problem with the yankees is that they wan’t to lower payroll,need 3 pitchers that will cost 45-55 million a year so if tex is signed with three pitchers it will cost about 75 million a year.factor in arbitration raises & payroll is the same as in 2008 unless they sign 2 pitchers & tex & give hughes or aceves the 5th spot.

    sabathia,tex,burnett will cost about 58 million so it is possible with those three to be sitting at 180 million i believe.

  193. Carl November 23rd, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    That Weak sauced that you speak of has accomplished more things than our current president in her state. It’s kind of hard to know these things when you get inform by Jay Leno and Letterman.

  194. Jeff NJ November 23rd, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    I think the Sox are serious about Tex. They have money and they want to spend it on a great free agent. If they get Tex, they’ll figure out what to do with him the extra player later. That being said, I think the Yankees will be in on Tex too, why not.

  195. bru November 23rd, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    i am suprised that we don’t hear anything about moving arod to first base.

    fb & 3rd base are very similar & arod is not great at third.

    go out & get a 3rd baseman,move arod to fb,trade nady,kennedy for a cf,swisher in rf,cash should also try to trade for a catcher,trade matsui & dh posada.

    we are too old & one dimentional and should try to move some of our big contracts.

  196. Yankee Trader November 23rd, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    So if Sabathia goes West, Burnett signs with Toronto or Orioles for five, Lowe goes elsewhere, and Pettitte won’t take 11M, we’ll need some pitchers, and some lefties would be nice! How about these lefties?

    Oliver Perez-can pitch in NY, but walks too many. Any takers for this Boras client?

    Randy Wolf- recovered from injury, still a strikeout pitcher-would he be worth a look?

    Trade Matsui to Seattle for Erik Bedard. Sign Adam Dunn to DH.

    What ever happened to promising lefty Rich Hill of the Cubs?

    Lefty Scott Olsen was a steal for the Nationals-can we pry him loose for Jose Veras?

    Phil Coke in the starting rotation?

    The 2010 FA group, other than John Lackey is weak.

    So again, if no CC, no Burnett, no Lowe, no Sheets, no Garland, maybe Pettitte is this our staff?

    Wang
    Pettitte
    Joba
    Hughes
    Coke/Aceves

  197. pat November 23rd, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Sox get in Tazawa bidding with a $6 million dollar offer.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....;fext=.jsp

  198. Ed - patience isn't a virtue to some people November 23rd, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    i am suprised that we don’t hear anything about moving arod to first base.

    fb & 3rd base are very similar & arod is not great at third.

    ————-

    that is complete fib! obviously you haven’t watched enough baseball.

  199. AROD fan November 23rd, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    A-rod made errors while adjusting to the new position, but is a superior fielder. Moving him to another position now is a bad idea (unless it’s back to SS).

  200. Hal Steinbrenner November 23rd, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Why no offer to Jon Garland or Brad Penny?

  201. Terry November 23rd, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    Arod is a very good 3rd baseman. Why move him?

  202. Al from BK( J-E-T-S. CC what are you waiting for?) November 23rd, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Why are we moving A-Rod anywhere hes an above average third baseman lets leave the guy alone and hopefully he hits this year.

    Trader-

    No CC, no Burnett= No playoffs. If we miss out on the 2 big guys we should give Sheets a 2 year deal with an option and start Coke.

  203. Tom November 23rd, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    Garland won 18 games in back to back years, but, he seems to have slipped from a 2-3 stater to a 4-5 starter.

    Don’t get me wrong, having a solid #4 starter would be great- 200ip 4.40-4.60 era. It seems that Cashman is going after CC (an Elite pitcher) and Burnett (an Elite arm).

    I’d rather have Garland than Lowe though.

  204. dan l November 23rd, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Yankee Trader you should add Sean Marshall of the Cubs to your list. He can start some and work out of the pen. He has improved his FIP each year over the last 3 seasons.

  205. Yankee Trader November 23rd, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    dan 1-
    Rumor-Cubs interested in Mark Teahan for RF-for Sean Marshall?

  206. AJW November 23rd, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Some people just continue to treat A-Rod like the evil step child and could give a rats ass about him. I amazes me.

  207. Al from BK( J-E-T-S. CC what are you waiting for?) November 23rd, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    “Some people just continue to treat A-Rod like the evil step child and could give a rats ass about him. It amazes me.”

    I agree especially after he won his 2nd MVP with his ridiculous 07. His critics always bring up the fact that he has won no rings. Is it really his fault that the Yanks have had no pitching the past 5 years outside of Wang/Mussina. Pitching wins championships hopefully we get some this off-season.

  208. CanIGetAMooseCall November 23rd, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    If the Yanks don’t re-sign Abreu (which appears to be the case), who bats third?

  209. jennifer November 23rd, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    bru November 23rd, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    i am suprised that we don’t hear anything about moving arod to first base.

    fb & 3rd base are very similar & arod is not great at third.

    go out & get a 3rd baseman,move arod to fb,trade nady,kennedy for a cf,swisher in rf,cash should also try to trade for a catcher,trade matsui & dh posada.

    we are too old & one dimentional and should try to move some of our big contracts.

    _______

    You have to be kidding me?! You are SURPRISED that there hasn’t been talk about moving Alex to first? Did you just happen to watch the 2 week span when Alex played poorly? Or did you watch the entire season? I would venture to say you just watched him for two weeks. He is far from poor. IMO he is one of the better third baseman in the game!

    And trade for a catcher? Stick to your playstation kid.

  210. UtilityMan(#33 for AROD in 09) November 23rd, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    I am starting to think that CC doesnt want anything to do with New York/American League.
    I would give him until Dec 1st to decide…if he cant or doesnt accept…pull the offer…and go after Lowe and Tex hard…especially if Bastin is or isnt interested.
    And I would like Bobby Abreu back in the 3 hole playin RF…I think Hideki is too fragile.Damon/Nady in LF/DH
    1.Damon
    2.Jeter
    3.Abreu
    4.Rodriguez
    5.Teixera
    6.Nady
    7.Posada
    8.Cano
    9._________ CF

  211. Al from BK( J-E-T-S. CC what are you waiting for?) November 23rd, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    “If the Yanks don’t re-sign Abreu (which appears to be the case), who bats third?”

    Mark Teixeira ;)

  212. Ariel November 23rd, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    We may well be better off if there is none of the so-called “Big Three in pinstipes in 09. The Starters, as Yankee Trader noted, would then be,

    Wang
    Pettitte
    Joba
    Hughes
    Coke/Aceves

    Barring injury, this may well be more than doable, assuming the Big Bats are added.

  213. Ariel November 23rd, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Correction…

    ****We may well be better off if none of the so-called “Big Three” wears pinstripes in 09.****

  214. Al from BK( J-E-T-S. CC what are you waiting for?) November 23rd, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    “*We may well be better off if none of the so-called “Big Three” wears pinstripes in 09.*”

    I disagree. We need one pitcher at least. I’m not a fan of Burnett or Lowe. However if we got CC I would be fine.

  215. Ed - patience isn't a virtue to some people November 23rd, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    “If the Yanks don’t re-sign Abreu (which appears to be the case), who bats third?”

    his name is Matsui.

  216. Ariel November 23rd, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Al,

    I agree with you regarding AJ and DL. As to CC, unfortunately, I doubt that he is coming. If he does, great, if not, we have to make the best of it….and IMO, then go with what we have, and focus more on securing the Big Bats.

  217. Al from BK( J-E-T-S. CC what are you waiting for?) November 23rd, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    “Al,

    I agree with you regarding AJ and DL. As to CC, unfortunately, I doubt that he is coming. If he does, great, if not, we have to make the best of it….and IMO, then go with what we have, and focus more on securing the Big Bats.”

    I dunno. I’ll wait til it plays out. I’m not confident right now but that could change. This is all contingent on the Angels getting Tex. If Tex resigns with the Angels they will not pursue CC and we will have a very good chance once they are out of the sweepstakes.

  218. CanIGetAMooseCall November 23rd, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    “If the Yanks don’t re-sign Abreu (which appears to be the case), who bats third?”

    “his name is Matsui.”

    That would be very weak. Matsui has basically been a 6th place hitter for the last two years. And now you’re moving him up to third? Coming off another knee surgery? Yikes. The 2009 Yankee lineup is even worse than I thought.

  219. Yankee Trader November 23rd, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    With Lackey, Saunders, Santana, Wea,Escobar and Nick Adenhart in the minors, what do the Angels need with CC?

    They need Teixeira, Dodgers need Manny, and both being Boras clients, unlikely to sign much before X-mas.

  220. GreenBeret7 November 23rd, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    CanIGetAMooseCall
    November 23rd, 2008 at 11:02 pm
    “If the Yanks don’t re-sign Abreu (which appears to be the case), who bats third?”

    “his name is Matsui.”

    That would be very weak. Matsui has basically been a 6th place hitter for the last two years. And now you’re moving him up to third? Coming off another knee surgery? Yikes. The 2009 Yankee lineup is even worse than I thought.

    ===========================================================

    Matsui hit 6th because of who the Yanks had in their lineup. NYY was putting 4 guys in the lineup that could have hit cleanup for a lot of teams.

  221. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 23rd, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    LETS GO GIANTS ! *clapclap clapclapclap*

    LETS GO GIANTS ! *clapclap clapclapclap*

    LETS GO GIANTS ! *clapclap clapclapclap*

    Seriously No Plax, No Jacobs, No problem and Eli Manning put his foot in thier … Domenik Hixon IS THE MAN ! Bossman loves Arizona and how about Kenny Phillips w/ that punch in the endzone I officially have a crush on a rookie. :)

    34 pts by the Jets
    37 pts by the Giants

    Hey keep it up.

  222. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en... let's try '09! November 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Jeter will more than likely be on the WBC roster, just because of name recognition, street cred.

    I was on hand in Nashville today. Needless to say, I didn’t enjoy the experience. Hopefully now all of the attention will go away from the Titans.

    We’re much better when nobody realizes that we exist. :)

  223. bru November 23rd, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    jennifer
    November 23rd, 2008 at 9:47 pm
    bru November 23rd, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    i am suprised that we don’t hear anything about moving arod to first base.

    fb & 3rd base are very similar & arod is not great at third.

    go out & get a 3rd baseman,move arod to fb,trade nady,kennedy for a cf,swisher in rf,cash should also try to trade for a catcher,trade matsui & dh posada.

    we are too old & one dimentional and should try to move some of our big contracts.

    _

    You have to be kidding me?! You are SURPRISED that there hasn’t been talk about moving Alex to first? Did you just happen to watch the 2 week span when Alex played poorly? Or did you watch the entire season? I would venture to say you just watched him for two weeks. He is far from poor. IMO he is one of the better third baseman in the game!

    And trade for a catcher? Stick to your playstation kid.

    ———————————————————–

    i just gave an opinion wich i believe should be considered to change a terrible team.i don’t know if it would be a good idea but i would not be affraid to consider it but would not insult someones opinion.

    one thing i find amusing is when ignorant people like you think they know for sure what will fix a team.

    you act as if you are so confident in what you say when in reality you know no more than me or anyone else.

    all we have is opinions.nobody knows wich move will work or wich player is best to sign not even the experts.

    answer one question for me jennifer, how do you know for sure moving arod to fb would be a bad idea when nobody knows?

    how do we know if sabathia,burnett,sheets,perez would be a good signing? a little hint,we don’t kid so stop pretending you are smarter than anybody else when you are not.

    when pavano was signed everybody in the world thought it was a great thing.i remember when it happened.

    i remember thinking that it might be good but he was a 500 pitcher for the most part and wasn’t sold.

    i bet you were one who fell for the signing.

  224. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers November 23rd, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    New set for Francesa on Mike’d Up..
    Not sure if I like it

  225. bru November 24th, 2008 at 12:00 am

    i know it wouldn’t happen but if we could get david wright but he said he would only play third base & arod said he wanted to be moved or wouldn’t mind being moved to fb would anyone wan’t to make the move?

    if anybody said no difinitively they would be lying including you jennifer.

  226. Blackdragon905 November 24th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    S.A.

    I’m not really fond of the new set, it looks wierd, and francessa won’t stop shaking his right left, at least in the beginning lol.

  227. bru November 24th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    arod is a good defensive third baseman but he is not great.

    i like arod.i think he is the best or second best player in the game but i do not think he fits in with the yankees and believe it is a terrible contract.

    the yankees turned into an old,one dimentional team with a bunch of bad contracts.

    they should unload as much of the big contracts as they can.damon,matsui,posada & be carefull not to make the same mistakes going forward.

    if arod’s contract pays for itself wich i hear is the case then he might be an exception.i just hope when jeters contract is up they don’t overpay him or give him 3 years.

    these players got filthy rich and it is time they take a discount instead of ripping the yankees off.

  228. Ed - patience isn't a virtue to some people November 24th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    “i know it wouldn’t happen but if we could get david wright but he said he would only play third base & arod said he wanted to be moved or wouldn’t mind being moved to fb would anyone wan’t to make the move?”

    its 12:00, and it past your bedtime. time to shut off your ps3!

  229. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers November 24th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Blackdragon905 November 24th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    S.A.

    I’m not really fond of the new set, it looks wierd, and francessa won’t stop shaking his right left, at least in the beginning lol.

    ———————————————————–

    LOL. Yup. He needs a table in front of him. Don’t need to see him twitching

  230. AROD fan November 24th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    ok
    i’m worried about the yankees ripping me off

  231. Ariel November 24th, 2008 at 12:34 am

    Don’t dismiss the presence of the Giants in the CC quest. Contrary to what many think they do have money due to certain ancillary deals. Though “pitching rich” they have expressed a real interest in capturing a hometown product.

    CC appears not to place a premium on being with a team that will compete for the gold on a continuing basis, but is more content to focus on the quality of his family life and well-being knowing full well the money is there wherever he goes.

    This does not bode well for the Yankees.

  232. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 24th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    Splendid as of now CC is on a road trip to NY w/ his family & LeBron James connect the dots. ;)

  233. pat November 24th, 2008 at 12:39 am

    “i like arod.i think he is the best or second best player in the game but i do not think he fits in with the yankees and believe it is a terrible contract.”

    And moving him to 1B would make you think he fits in better and make his contract less terrible?

    “i know it wouldn’t happen but ……..”

    If you are going to start a statement with “i know it wouldn’t happen but”, why finish the sentence?

    “these players got filthy rich and it is time they take a discount instead of ripping the yankees off.”

    Unless the Steinbrenner’s give you what’s left after they pay the players, why do you care on who and how they spend their money?

  234. AROD fan November 24th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    Here’s a question:

    Given the financial crisis (FC), would CC and Tex be smart to wait to sign their contracts, or to sign them as soon as possible? Or does it really not matter either way? And will the FC help the Yankees sign all of the type-A free agents in baseball, or will it hurt their chances?

  235. AROD fan November 24th, 2008 at 12:53 am

    “Splendid as of now CC is on a road trip to NY w/ his family & LeBron James connect the dots. ”


    is this true?

  236. Buddy Biancalana November 24th, 2008 at 12:57 am

    Seems like Tazawa will be a member of the Red Sox

    http://www.npbtracker.com/2008.....to-tazawa/

    via MLB Trade Rumors

  237. Buddy Biancalana November 24th, 2008 at 12:59 am

    AROD-

    Knicks-Cavs @ MSG Tuesday night, so we’ll see.

  238. mel November 24th, 2008 at 1:03 am

    Oh lord, when Olney is talking like the folks here, I know he’s lost it.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ney_buster

  239. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 1:09 am

    pat
    November 24th, 2008 at 12:39 am

    If you are going to start a statement with “i know it wouldn’t happen but”, why finish the sentence?

    “these players got filthy rich and it is time they take a discount instead of ripping the yankees off.”

    Unless the Steinbrenner’s give you what’s left after they pay the players, why do you care on who and how they spend their money?

    ———————————————————–

    Gotta love how he thinks that Rodriguez is a bad third baseman, but, suggests replacing him with a worse defensive 3rd baseman. Of course, he doesn’t explain how the Yanks would obtain Wright and at what cost. Reyes would go on the market before Wright does. I have seldom seen anybody consistantly post more bad trade proposals than this guy, does.

  240. Ed - patience isn't a virtue to some people November 24th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    GB,

    he just had a little too much PS3. LOL.

  241. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 1:19 am

    Ed – patience isn’t a virtue to some people
    November 24th, 2008 at 1:11 am
    GB,

    he just had a little too much PS3. LOL.

    ———————————————————–

    Ed, I think he’s had too many Snicker’s bars in his life.

  242. AROD fan November 24th, 2008 at 1:37 am

    I was wondering if the Yankees were not going to go after Teixiera because they want to keep 1st base open for Jeter. Wouldn’t be the worst idea to let him play short for the first year in the stadium and then move him to first. Looking back I think they should have let Arod play short when he first came here but it is what it is. I wouldn’t move Arod to short now, he plays a good 3rd and it only solves one problem and creates another, who plays 3rd then.


    i really like this whole paragraph

  243. AROD fan November 24th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    on the other hand jeter at 1st is sort of a bad idea

  244. mel November 24th, 2008 at 1:40 am

    Okay, here’s a question for the really smart people.

    *At what point in the process are teams allowed to look at the medical records of a free agent?*

    I’m assuming you have to be in pretty serious talks to have such access. Players can’t have their charts floating around. The Mets are supposedly looking at K-rod’s medical records, so what point in the process are they in?

  245. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 1:47 am

    November 24th, 2008 at 1:40 am
    Okay, here’s a question for the really smart people.

    At what point in the process are teams allowed to look at the medical records of a free agent?

    I’m assuming you have to be in pretty serious talks to have such access. Players can’t have their charts floating around. The Mets are supposedly looking at K-rod’s medical records, so what point in the process are they in?

    ———————————————————–

    I’m not that smart, but, i do spend a lot of nights at Holidy Inn Express. Not sure if there is a “legal time” when teams can ask for the medical records, but, I assume that it would be when they make a legitimate offer request the records.

  246. Ed - patience isn't a virtue to some people November 24th, 2008 at 1:49 am

    Mel,

    Taking an educated guess, I think that would be the 2nd stage?

  247. Al from BK( J-E-T-S. CC what are you waiting for?) November 24th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    “Splendid as of now CC is on a road trip to NY w/ his family & LeBron James connect the dots.”

    That would be great, if it were true :( Apparently CC was at the Hawks/Cavs game in Cleveland. I really hope Lebron took him aside and said “C’mon big guy take the money and run”.

  248. mel November 24th, 2008 at 2:09 am

    lol.

    Thanks, guys. That really clears it up. :)

  249. Mehdi doesn't like you November 24th, 2008 at 2:33 am

    Can I just say I agree with Peter as far as canning ‘Cotton Eye Joe’. Every time that track came on when I was at a game I would cringe. Then on top of that they show that fool in the booth dancing with the dumb hat on. I hate hideous trashy pop euro techno tunes, and I can’t stand the fact that the Yankees would shove that on me every game. Horrible. That’s not to say I hate all dance music. Far from it. I appreciate good Detroit techno and such, but ‘Cotton Eye Joe’ the biggest turd to have ever been programmed. Give me Jupiter Jazz from UR instead.

  250. bru November 24th, 2008 at 4:56 am

    Gotta love how he thinks that Rodriguez is a bad third baseman, but, suggests replacing him with a worse defensive 3rd baseman. Of course, he doesn’t explain how the Yanks would obtain Wright and at what cost. Reyes would go on the market before Wright does. I have seldom seen anybody consistantly post more bad trade proposals than this guy, does.

    ————————————————————

    gb,you are smarter than that.

    i am using wright as an example.i also did not say arod is a bad 3rd baseman.

    my point is that if there is an option to sign or trade for a 3rd baseman instead of signing tex.

    do you remember how well the brosus signing worked for us,also boggs,hayes.

    those trades along with the swisher one have always worked out better for us.

    this allows us to spend elsewhere like pitching and debth.it is always the deals that you can’t see coming that usually work but most people posting here are too simple minded and rather insult and critisize everyone else just for the sake of it.

  251. bru November 24th, 2008 at 5:04 am

    pat:
    Unless the Steinbrenner’s give you what’s left after they pay the players, why do you care on who and how they spend their money?

    for the same reason that you or anyone else voices an opinion.

    it is embarassing to have a 209 million dollar payroll & not even being close.

    using wright i admit was a bad example because i knew people here would rather critisize instead of understanding my point.

    to simplify this for the slower people like gb,ed,pat,jennifer.

    if there was an option to get a third baseman who is decent instead of signing tex it has to be considered.

    do you remember brosus,boggs,hayes???

    i am not saying it should be done but if anything should be considered.

  252. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 6:18 am

    bru
    November 23rd, 2008 at 8:21 pm
    i am suprised that we don’t hear anything about moving arod to first base.

    fb & 3rd base are very similar & arod is not great at third.

    go out & get a 3rd baseman,move arod to fb,trade nady,kennedy for a cf,swisher in rf,cash should also try to trade for a catcher,trade matsui & dh posada.

    we are too old & one dimentional and should try to move some of our big contracts.

    ———————————————————–

    I still stand by it…You say Rodriguez isn’t great but, he’s good…but, you want to move him and bring in Wright, who is worse than not good…he’s average at best. Please just stop with the ridiculus non-sense trades. My 6 year old granddaughter can come up with better.

    In case it has avoided your attention, there are no third basemen available that’s better than Rodriguez. There are, however, better first basemen than he is. Nobody is going to trade a good center fielder for Nady and Kennedy straight up. Why would anybody trade for Matsui until shows that he’s healthy? Now you want to DH Podada and have who catch? Molina? A .220 hitter? That’ll really improve the lineup.

  253. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 6:23 am

    correction: ***with the ridiculous non-sense trades***

  254. ham_fighter November 24th, 2008 at 7:47 am

    hayes, boggs and brosius were all better 3Bmen than wright will ever be.
    your suggestion is absurd on its face.
    if you were gonna bring in wright and switch a 3B to 1B, you would switch wright, of course.
    and how does it help the yankees any to lose all the pieces it would cost to bring in wright anyway. as for your suggestion that it would allow the yankees to go after SP, dont you think the mets would demand a starter in the deal, since that is thier biggest need?
    and all this to do what exactly? replace nady with swisher in the corner OF?
    sorry bru but you’ve gone off the reservation here.

  255. #9 November 24th, 2008 at 8:06 am

    Neil Best did an interview with Francesa (Newsday):

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....521.column

  256. kill.schill(ing) November 24th, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Now that it appears the Red Sox will sign the Japanese amateur Tazawa who can throw 97 mph for a mere $6 million (a mere), I wonder why the Yankees never considered even making an offer to him.

    I can understand the Igawa fiasco might discourage them from pursuing Japanese pitcher but I seriously hope it doesn’t cause them to overreact and to forgo Japanese pitchers now as a reflex.

    Igawa then would cost the Yankees far more than $46 million.

  257. Fred November 24th, 2008 at 8:26 am

    Why the Yankees did not make an offer to Tazawa.

    http://waswatching.com/2008/11.....hi-tazawa/

  258. Victor the Predictor November 24th, 2008 at 8:27 am

    This will be a telling week. There’s just 13 days before the winter meetings in Vegas and there’s teams that need to know how their rosters shape up after free agent signings before pursuing any trades.

  259. RhapsodyInBlue November 24th, 2008 at 8:29 am

    There was also an article in the NY Times a few days ago titled.”Japanese Are Irked by U.S. Interest in Pitcher”, You might need a login to read it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11.....tcher.html

  260. Beanietown November 24th, 2008 at 8:46 am

    Take a break Pete…we’re gonna need ya when the Yanks sign Manny.

  261. 86w183 November 24th, 2008 at 8:49 am

    From a business standpoint the MLB team that signs Tazawa will pay a huge price in Japan. And image is everything there.

    I once suggested ARod to 1B (GB 7– 1B looks better than FB, try it!)and was shot down but it still makes sense to me andwould help him in the long run. As for 3B (not TB) the ideal guy is Adrian Beltre who is a good hitter and excellent defender and Seattle wants to move his $$$.

    That is a cheaper alternative to Teixiera and allows Swisher, Nady, Matsui and Damon to share three positions with Damon taking a turn in CF twice a week or so to get them all in the lineup.

    If the Yankees strikeout in FA I would first take a helicopter to Montoursville, PA. and try to talk Moose into another season. After signing him and Pettite to go with Joba and Wang I offer a large one-year deal with a vesting option/team option to Ben Sheets.

    Now about finishing up the rest of the cabinet…..

  262. jennifer November 24th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    bru
    November 24th, 2008 at 12:00 am
    i know it wouldn’t happen but if we could get david wright but he said he would only play third base & arod said he wanted to be moved or wouldn’t mind being moved to fb would anyone wan’t to make the move?

    if anybody said no difinitively they would be lying including you jennifer.

    ——————-

    David Wright for third base. :lol: Now you want to talk about a poor third baseman. That is just too funny.

  263. TurnTwo November 24th, 2008 at 9:05 am

    “I once suggested ARod to 1B and was shot down but it still makes sense to me and would help him in the long run. As for 3B the ideal guy is Adrian Beltre who is a good hitter and excellent defender and Seattle wants to move his $$$.”

    this move does make a lot of sense in a couple ways.

    helps IF defense.

    short term commitment on proven veteran player; get draft picks when he leaves after the season to build the system.

    arod moves to a position where he can finish out the rest of his career.

    opens 3B after 2009 should Jeter finally concede SS and have a natural position to play.

  264. SJ44 November 24th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Most scouts in the states who have seen Tazawa say he doesn’t throw 97 and aren’t impressed with him.

    Add to it the cultural and business issues faced with signing him (a significant breach in protocol with the Japanese) and many teams, the Yankees included, feel he isn’t worth the risk.

    Arod has played on the left side of the infield his entire career. Its not easy to make a smooth transition to first base. Nor, should he have to move to first.

    He’s a better defensive third baseman than David Wright and he hasn’t played that position his entire career. As Wright has.

    These kind of plans always crop up on blogs when there isn’t any real news to discuss.

  265. ham_fighter November 24th, 2008 at 9:21 am

    i was just looking at a map of the YS area and it occurs to me that the sun could be a bigger factor in the new YS than the old one. if my estimation is correct CF or actually just to the RF side of CF will become the new sun field on summer day games. LF was often referred to as the worst sun field in the majors and now it looks like CF is going to inherit that problem.

  266. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    I was reading that this Tazawa kid is only 5 feet 10 inches tall. That doesn’t matter, but, this does:

    “At 22, Tazawa is unlikely to throw much harder than he does now; his fastball barely tops 90 mph when he is rested, and he struggled to hit 88 mph at the end of last season.”

    Six million dollars and an MLB contract?

  267. mko November 24th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    You are a writer and don’t even know how to spell the name of your president-to-be? Oh man…

  268. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    Oops. Here is the link:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3717007

  269. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    86w183
    November 24th, 2008 at 8:49 am
    From a business standpoint the MLB team that signs Tazawa will pay a huge price in Japan. And image is everything there.

    I once suggested ARod to 1B (GB 7—1B looks better than FB, try it!)and was shot down but it still makes sense to me andwould help him in the long run. As for 3B (not TB) the ideal guy is Adrian Beltre who is a good hitter and excellent defender and Seattle wants to move his $$$.

    That is a cheaper alternative to Teixiera and allows Swisher, Nady, Matsui and Damon to share three positions with Damon taking a turn in CF twice a week or so to get them all in the lineup.

    If the Yankees strikeout in FA I would first take a helicopter to Montoursville, PA. and try to talk Moose into another season. After signing him and Pettite to go with Joba and Wang I offer a large one-year deal with a vesting option/team option to Ben Sheets.

    Now about finishing up the rest of the cabinet

    ———————————————————–

    What are you talking about? What’s this “1B looks better than FB” crap. I don’t use “FB or TB”. And, no, moving Rodtiguez to first base and signing Beltre to an overpriced contract is not better than signing Teixiera.

  270. pat November 24th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    bru

    Trust me. I’m not slow.

    As far as simplifying, how’s this. The Yankees have very few players that are considered better than average defensively. You picked one of them and decided that is where the Yankees needed to upgrade and used a non-upgrade as an example.

    If your point is motivated by a belief the Yankees need to think outside the box and be open to any way they could get better, agreed.

    If your point is motivated by A-Rod “doesn’t fit” and his contract is “terrible”, we part company because IMO, players with his ability always fit and the only time a contract is terrible is if it stops the team from paying someone else they need in order to compete. The Yankees willingness to go 5/140 for CC shows me A-Rod’s 10/275 hasn’t stopped them or even slowed them down a little bit.

  271. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 9:39 am

    SJ44
    November 24th, 2008 at 9:13 am
    Most scouts in the states who have seen Tazawa say he doesn’t throw 97 and aren’t impressed with him.

    Add to it the cultural and business issues faced with signing him (a significant breach in protocol with the Japanese) and many teams, the Yankees included, feel he isn’t worth the risk.

    Arod has played on the left side of the infield his entire career. Its not easy to make a smooth transition to first base. Nor, should he have to move to first.

    He’s a better defensive third baseman than David Wright and he hasn’t played that position his entire career. As Wright has.

    These kind of plans always crop up on blogs when there isn’t any real news to discuss.

    ———————————————————–

    Everything that I’ve seen on this guy is that “he’s supposed to throw 97 MPH but stays at about 91-93 MPH” and “supposed to throw a great curve” and “supposed to have great control”. What I haven’t seen is anything from MLB scouts. The guy hasn’t pitced in any league other than an industrial league, which, I think is sort of a semi-pro league. That means, at best, he wouldn’t be ready for 2-3 years.

  272. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Correction: ***guy hasn’t pitched in any league***

  273. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 9:44 am

    Scanning all the rumors & hot stove stuff being pondered by wannabe GM’s, it’s nice to see everybody’s thinking of creative ideas (good ones AND stupid ones) about trades, acquisitions and position switchces for starters and depth at every position.

    I’m surprised nobody’s got an angle on who’s going to be the bat boy in ’09.

    I say promote from within the organization: Igawa.

  274. MooseCall November 24th, 2008 at 9:44 am

    “Matsui hit 6th because of who the Yanks had in their lineup. NYY was putting 4 guys in the lineup that could have hit cleanup for a lot of teams.”

    But you’re admitting that the Yankee lineup in 2009 will be worse than the lineups of the recent past. If Matsui is being moved up to third, it’s because the lineup is much weaker.

  275. Blackdragon905 November 24th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    This is from one scout who actually saw Tazawa and another one agreed to this. http://riveraveblues.com/2008/.....deal-6045/

    “Tazawa, who stands 5 feet, 10 inches — “5-11 if you really like him,” Wilson said — will get a major league deal this winter but is unlikely to make it to the majors during that first season.

    He has good command of his fastball and slurve, but he lacks velocity, stamina and the ability to keep the ball down. The talk of a deal worth as much as $4 million is testimony not to Tazawa’s talent, but to the soaring appreciation of Japan’s game…The right-hander would have gone in the first round of Nippon Professional Baseball’s recent draft, but that is a long way from being ready for the majors.

    “At 22, Tazawa is unlikely to throw much harder than he does now; his fastball barely tops 90 mph when he is rested, and he struggled to hit 88 mph at the end of last season. In Class A or Double-A, Tazawa likely will get hit harder and harder as the season wears on.

    Because he knows what he’s doing against corporate league hitters here, there is a chance Tazawa will make adjustments, although [Isao] Ojimi is a skeptic. The Mets scout believes the pitcher’s body is too stiff to allow him to keep the ball down in the zone and Tazawa lacks the smarts and toughness to hang in and learn the lessons needed to apply his talent in the majors.”

  276. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 9:47 am

    Is there any way to leave Igawa exposed to the rule V draft?

    Can we ask him to legally change his name and keep it a secret until after any transaction is completed?

  277. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 9:50 am

    MooseCall
    November 24th, 2008 at 9:44 am
    “Matsui hit 6th because of who the Yanks had in their lineup. NYY was putting 4 guys in the lineup that could have hit cleanup for a lot of teams.”

    But you’re admitting that the Yankee lineup in 2009 will be worse than the lineups of the recent past. If Matsui is being moved up to third, it’s because the lineup is much weaker.

    ———————————————————–

    Well, no kidding. As it stands now, of course it’s weaker. They lost two big bats and have only replaced one. i gotta tell you this, nothing gets past you.

  278. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Heeeeeyyyyyy there’s an idea … “Hajemimashita (nice to meet you) my name is Later. Player to be Named Later.”

    OK OK OK so its one of the stupid ideas. At least I’m trying to come up with solutions.

  279. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 24th, 2008 at 9:55 am

    Tazawa can’t throw 97 mph atleast not from what scouts have seen. If Boston signs him let him go there. You guys know who we had doing the scouting in Japan right ? The one and only Stick Micheals so if he wasn’t impressed chances are he is a bust.

  280. 86w183 November 24th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    GB 7 — My bad, it was someone else you were responding to regarding FB/1B.

    Bru– it was meant for you.. FB looks stupid.

    I never said Arod to 1B and trading for Beltre was “better” than signing Teixiera. I have long been a strong advocate for signing Tex. I called it a “cheaper alternative” to signing Tex. And I disagree with the transition being difficult. Many players have seemlessly transitioned from 3B to 1B.. Jeff Conine and Casey Blake are two examples.

    I still want Tex!

  281. mel November 24th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    GB7,

    What’re you talking about? Swisher’s supposed to replace Giambi and Abreu’s production. :P

    A large part of why the Yankees aren’t onto Tazawa is because we have pitching depth. Lots of it.

    Don’t know why the Red Sox are onto Tazawa. Yes, Dice-K and Okajima have worked out, but they can’t draft pitchers in the amateur draft to develop?

    Whatever, either way it doesn’t affect us. I’d put any number of our pitchers up against Tazawa. In retrospect, it’s not a bad thing that we didn’t get Daisuke. Yes, he strikes out a lot of people with his variety of looks, but they’re probably swinging at ball 4. Matsuzaka walks way too many guys, plunks batters with his poor control, and loads the bases way too much for my comfort level.

  282. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    Can Igawa play first base? He’d be as good with the glove as Giambi was, and he could probably have fit in one of the 7-8-9 slots in the order as well as some of the guys we had batting there last year. At least he wouldn’t be pitching if we’d tried it.

    OK ’nuff goofing around at Igawa’s expense. Coffee’s juuuust starting to kick in. G’morning, all.

    So, when’s Hal’s deadline for CC to decide?

  283. mel November 24th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    I don’t know what the big debate is about, but the bottom line is if you can come to terms with Teixeira, no combination will top Alex at 3B and Teixeira at 1B.

  284. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    A CF (is that the right abbreviation?) who hits to a .770-.800 .OPS would be great.

    The problems with the Yankees linup can be solved by having 9 players who are at least league average at their possitions.

    For most of the season the bottom 3rd of the linup was awful. Getting Posada back means no more Molina everyday-which is a good thing.

  285. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 10:11 am

    mel
    November 24th, 2008 at 9:58 am
    GB7,

    What’re you talking about? Swisher’s supposed to replace Giambi and Abreu’s production.

    A large part of why the Yankees aren’t onto Tazawa is because we have pitching depth. Lots of it.

    Don’t know why the Red Sox are onto Tazawa. Yes, Dice-K and Okajima have worked out, but they can’t draft pitchers in the amateur draft to develop?

    Whatever, either way it doesn’t affect us. I’d put any number of our pitchers up against Tazawa. In retrospect, it’s not a bad thing that we didn’t get Daisuke. Yes, he strikes out a lot of people with his variety of looks, but they’re probably swinging at ball 4. Matsuzaka walks way too many guys, plunks batters with his poor control, and loads the bases way too much for my comfort level.

    ———————————————————–

    Well, of course, you’re correct, Mel. I forgot about the exchange rate on Swisher.

    I think that Tazawa signs with a West Coast team. Seattle needs pitching, aren’t going anywhere and they can afford to try him in the ML earlier. Not sure how that would affect their Japanese conections, though. I can see real issues between the Japanese baseball leagues and MLB.

    And, you are correct. NYY has a lot of minor league pitching talent, and, this is the year to move some of the excess for good young infield and outfield talent. It’s really nice to see that NYY is starting to develop left handed pitching. Can’t wait to see Jeremy Bleich, Pat Venditte and Andrew Brackman pitching in Charleston next year.

  286. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    mel
    November 24th, 2008 at 10:04 am
    I don’t know what the big debate is about, but the bottom line is if you can come to terms with Teixeira, no combination will top Alex at 3B and Teixeira at 1B.

    ———————————————————–

    A Gold Glove at first base will do wonders for the infield defense. As normally solid as Jeter and Rodriguez, they do tend to make off-line throws that most first basemen would catch, not to mention the fact that Teixiera turns the 3-6-3 double play as well as Mattingly did. As good as Brandon Laird looks to be, NYY needs help now.

  287. Bronx Jeers November 24th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    “I’m surprised nobody’s got an angle on who’s going to be the bat boy in ‘09.”

    Here’s an angle.

    Best Bat Boy ever IMO.

    http://tinyurl.com/6kzfze

  288. Bob November 24th, 2008 at 10:24 am

    Does anyone else find it a bit disturbing that the Sox have a seeming monopoly now On Japan due to Okajima and Matsuzaka, like we used to have a monopoly on signing all the best free agents?

    Guess that 51 million the Sox spent to get the right to sign matsusaka was a good investment after all
    :(

  289. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 10:30 am

    We have Swisher at 1B, Alex at 3B.
    Sox have Youk at 1B, Lowell at 3B.

    So both teams appear not to be in a position of desperation for Scotty Boras negotiations on a big free agent. But if you can strike a deal with Tiexiera, you make it and move what you’ve already got.

    If that happens, Swisher can play other positions albeit not as well as he plays 1B. He’s also healthy and not too too expensive at this point, if we want to trade him or have him come off the bench. Also, Swisher is already a far better fielder than what we had last year and (except for last year) he isn’t a terrible hitter in case nothing happens with Tiexiera.

    Youkilis can play 1B as good as anyone, and he plays 3B plenty well enough to move over & make room for Tiexiera. But Lowell isn’t going to moved to another position or Papi’s spot, DH. He makes way more than Swisher and he’s been hurt, so he’s harder for them to deal away if they can land Tiexiera. Their current OF options don’t allow them to move Lowell to the OF and still consider it a net plus for the team either.

    Alex isn’t going to be considered for 1B until he’s an old man, if ever. Highly unlikely he’d ever be moved back to SS unless Jeter suddenly drops dead. Even then it’d be temporary. I also think Jeter would play OF or DH before going to 1B, but he’ll still be SS for a few more years.

    So I think we’re in a better position than Boston to sign Tiexiera, and then juggle/move what we’ve already got if it happens.

    Unless Lowell’s injury problems are more serious than publicly known, we’d be more likely than Boston to make such a move.

    And there’s always the possibility that the Angels are planning to / already going to keep Tiexiera happy enough to stay. In which case, NY and Boston already have 1B covered.

  290. back bench November 24th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Ansky, Mel…

    Here is some additional Tiexiera “musings” from the Orange County Register via SI:

    “Teixeira leaning toward Red Sox?

    Well, we found out this week what Angels free agent Mark Teixeira wants — a home for the holidays. During Thursday’s ESPN telecast of the Georgia Tech-Miami game in Atlanta, Teixeira told sideline reporter Erin Andrews he wants a baseball team for Christmas. “I don’t want to put a timetable on it, but Christmas morning, I want to know where I’m going to be for the next couple of years,” he said. “So hopefully, by Christmas, it will be done.” Knowing agent Scott Boras’ affinity for the big stage, I’m guessing Teixeira’s headline-grabbing signing will be announced during baseball’s winter meetings Dec. 8-11 in Las Vegas. What better place for the rich to get richer? But I don’t think it will be with the Angels. If he were going to re-sign in Anaheim, I think it already would have happened. Just a gut feeling. Even the people I talk to in the organization don’t seem optimistic. Teixeira would be ridiculed if he signed with perpetual losers such as the Baltimore Orioles or Washington Nationals, so my guess is he’ll sign with the Boston Red Sox. (Orange County Register)

  291. Bronx Jeers November 24th, 2008 at 10:39 am

    Igawa’s available in rule V draft?

    Kool-Aid for sale!

    Veritek’s got a 1-yr offer from the Sox.

  292. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    Bob
    November 24th, 2008 at 10:24 am
    Does anyone else find it a bit disturbing that the Sox have a seeming monopoly now On Japan due to Okajima and Matsuzaka, like we used to have a monopoly on signing all the best free agents?

    Guess that 51 million the Sox spent to get the right to sign matsusaka was a good investment after all

    ———————————————————-

    They’ve signed two players out of the Japanese leagues. That hardly constitutes a monopoly.

  293. Russell NY November 24th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    “Guess that 51 million the Sox spent to get the right to sign matsusaka was a good investment after all”

    That’s what they want u to think. Tazawa sucks.

  294. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 10:42 am

    There’s also a good chance that neither Boston or NY plans to make a move on Tiexiera and we’re all (including Orange County Register) just speculating.

    Dec. 8-11 there will be lots of talk. And out here we fans will hear “what we’re supposed to hear” then and for the next few weeks. For absolute certain, though, what we hear will not be the same as all that’s said or whispered.

  295. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Bronx Jeeers … I was just joking that it would be a wish to leave Igawa exposed for rule V if that were possible. I don’t know the rules but think it is possible. Would be nice to have him snatched away from us, though, considering we can’t give him away right now.

  296. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    sorry i meant to say that i DON’T think it’s possible. Grammatical brain cramp sorry.

  297. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    back bench
    November 24th, 2008 at 10:37 am
    Ansky, Mel…

    Here is some additional Tiexiera “musings” from the Orange County Register via SI:

    “Teixeira leaning toward Red Sox?

    ———————————————————–

    I wonder how this fool has come to the conclusion that Teixiera will sign with Boston? There has been zero indication of that. Nobody knows whether NYY has talked to Boras or Teixiera. I’ll only accept that when and if it’s official, and, the same with any other supposed deals.

  298. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    For what its worth Igawa is expossed for the rule 5 draft.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ft-in.html

  299. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Honestly, I don’t think we’ll make a move on Tiexiera. Would be nice to have him on the team, but I think the focus will be on pitchers and an OF.

    I also think Boston would only make such an attempt if they already knew Lowell wasn’t going to be playing 3B for them (due to trade or injuries) next year. Unlikely, but they would have a serious lineup if they did get him though.

  300. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Tom –

    Thanks so much for the glimmer of hope on Igawa! Now if only someone would take him ….

  301. Bronx Jeers November 24th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Ansky,
    Your wish is their command.
    Apparently.

  302. bdog375 November 24th, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Just two comments on Pete’s post:

    Playing God Bless America every game is great. I am not going to pull the whole “your not patriotic card”, but I will say that it really means a lot to many people, and I would be very dissapointed for them to stop playing it. Being a Army comabt veteran, I relish every opportunity to hear this performance. When watching the games on Mlb tv, I specifically stay in the room to listen.

    My other thought, is how on earth would Stepehn Drew and JJ Hardy be considered over Jeter for SS on the WBC team??? I can understand Rollings (somewhat), but come on? Are you crazy? Drew and Hardy are not comparable to Jeter in terms of leadership and Jeter is a better at the plate then them. Jeter earns his money in big games, which I suppose these are.

  303. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 11:00 am

    Nobody’s going to pick up Igawa’s contact. It’s a safe bet to leave him exposed.

  304. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 11:01 am

    up Igawa’s contact. Or, his contract, for that matter.

  305. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 24th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Someone take him !

  306. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 11:10 am

    GB7 – Is leaving him exposed to rule V really a ‘safe bet’ or is it more of a ‘last ditch effort’? :)

  307. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    ANSKY
    November 24th, 2008 at 11:10 am
    GB7 – Is leaving him exposed to rule V really a ‘safe bet’ or is it more of a ‘last ditch effort’?

    ————————————————————

    I can’t imagine anybody picking up the remainder of Igawa’s contract.

  308. MBDavis November 24th, 2008 at 11:29 am

    In regards to the in stadium entertainment. Please get your message/thoughts out the decision makers. It is tired, old and desperately needs a COMPLETE makeover. Even less of it would be nice.

  309. mel November 24th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    Back Bench,

    Going off the blurb, I gotta agree with GB7. How the heck did they make that leap?

    I’d place odds in the following descending order:

    1)Anaheim
    2)Yankees
    3)Boston
    4)Orioles
    5)Nationals

    I don’t know who that writer is, but Kevin Ding does a great job covering the Lakers. Maybe we should ask him. He might know more than that guy.

    All things being equal, I think that Tex would rather play for the Yankees. I also think he’s CC’s alter ego. He’d rather play in the east than the west.

    Did you guys read the Olney blog I linked last night? CC told him earlier in the season that he would never be able to spend all the money he earns. Basically it’ll be a lifestyle decision. If any of the WC teams offer 9 figures that could tip the scale.

    If we don’t get CC, then Tex should be our big ticket item. AJ is a must. Sheets doesn’t seem to be on the radar. Lowe. Ugh. Still think that Boston & NY will split AJ & Lowe between them.

  310. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    GB7 –
    Yep. Unless NY pays for it and throws in a peanut vendor (AND pays for the vendor) that contract’s not going anywhere fer dang sure.

  311. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Yeah Igawa has 3 years and 12 million (4 million per) left on that deal.

    Unfortunately, he’s not going in the rule 5 draft. Unless some ding bat GM-I’m looking at you Jim Bowden-decides “4 million for a fifth starter! That’s a great deal!”

  312. bottom line November 24th, 2008 at 11:39 am

    TEX AND AJ. Or bust.

  313. Ed - sign CC immediately November 24th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    here’s a crazy idea….**Igawa for Zito?** bad contract swap. I think Seban will bite. Who knows Igawa might do well in SF, and Zito regains his form? We need a #3,4 starter anyways. Some pitchers are meant to pitch in the AL.

  314. Chuck November 24th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    “Now that the team is going into the new Stadium, try something new with the in-game entertainment. YMCA and Cotton-Eye Joe have reached the end of their usefulness and are far more cliche than fun at this point. It’s also time to dial back God Bless America to Sundays only.”

    AMEN, PETEY! From your blog, to Hank and Hal’s brain (or whomever makes those decisions). Anyone who attends more than three or four games a season is ready to move on from all that.

  315. mel November 24th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    I gotta say, too, that looks can be very deceiving. 2 cases in point:

    1. That sideline interview with Erin Andrews and Teixeira is the first time I’ve seen him talk at any length. I’ve only seen him in uni, and well, he didn’t look like the sharpest tool in the shed. But, I was very impressed with Tex at the GT game. Well spoken, articulate, and seemed like a great guy.

    2. Chase Utley looks like such a sweety. Quiet, humble, and unassuming. But man he’s got the mouth of sailor. He’s dropped f-bombs twice. At the All-star game. But the Mets fans deserved that one! And at the victory parade. Can’t blame him, I’d be excited, too.

    Just thought it’s hilarious how people are perceived and even portrayed on these message boards.

  316. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Tom
    November 24th, 2008 at 11:38 am
    Yeah Igawa has 3 years and 12 million (4 million per) left on that deal.

    Unfortunately, he’s not going in the rule 5 draft. Unless some ding bat GM-I’m looking at you Jim Bowden-decides “4 million for a fifth starter! That’s a great deal!”

    ===========================================================

    The only three teams that Igawa really fits is San Francisco, San Diego and Seattle. The three biggest parks on the West Coast. I doubt they would draft him, but, if NYY eats part of the contract, they may be able to deal Igawa.

  317. Chuck November 24th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Oh — and I have heard many people complain about God Bless America, in and out of the stadium. It was important in 2001 (after 9/11) and 2002… and then maybe right after we invaded Iraq… now let’s move on.

  318. Bronx Jeers November 24th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Then SF immediately takes the savings and deposits it in CC’s lap who will be only to happy to accept it.

  319. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    Zito makes more in a season then Igawa will make in the next 3 years.

  320. Ed - sign CC immediately November 24th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Tom,

    Yeah I know but both have been busts for their teams. Zito isn’t nothing more than their #4,5 starter for the Giants now.

  321. defense matters November 24th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    My ideal winter is
    sign Texiera
    sign CC
    trade Kennedy, Nady, another good prospect not named hughes/jackson for peavy
    move swisher to right field

    any thoughts on whether this would be enough to land Peavy?

    this also only has us signing 2 free agent (3 if you count Pettitte) so we’re not breaking the bank any thoughts?

  322. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 24th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    “here’s a crazy idea….Igawa for Zito? bad contract swap. I think Seban will bite. Who knows Igawa might do well in SF, and Zito regains his form? We need a #3,4 starter anyways. Some pitchers are meant to pitch in the AL.”

    Ed is the cold getting to you ? This is like trading morning sickness for diarrhea

  323. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 24th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    “any thoughts on whether this would be enough to land Peavy?”

    It wouldn’t be enough and Peavy doesn’t want to be in NY, how many times do people need to know that. CC right now is priority 1, 2 and 3.

  324. SJ44 November 24th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    out don’t take on more money to trade Igawa. It cracks me up how many Yankee fans want them to take on every bad contract as long as the player is a “name” player.

    Zito, Andruw Jones, when does the madness end?

    The idea is to make the team better, not worse.

    If the Yankees become the wasteland for bad contracts, you can forget winning for a very long time.

  325. Ed - sign CC immediately November 24th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    Brandon,

    LOL, yeah i guess it is. I just woke up, and thought it probably woud work. Eh, just never mind me, lol.

  326. SJ44 November 24th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    “you”, not out.

  327. mel November 24th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    defense matters,

    Supposedly the word is that Peavy can be had without giving up Hughes.

    But didn’t the Padres trade away Nady? I don’t think they’d want him back, unless he really filled a need.

    Your best bet for dealing Nady is to the Mets, supposedly Church isn’t very happy out there. Unless the Mets pick up Abreu.

    TB needs a RF with a bat, but I’d puke (and Nady probably would, too) if I saw him in a Rays uni. Hard to look Armani chic in a uni with a sparkle on it.

  328. alvaro espinoza's hipster frames November 24th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    the yankees have said publicly that they would not bid on tazawa because of the agreement between mlb and the nippon league not to go after each other’s amateur players. it is a gentleman’s agreement, and the yankees are being gentlemen.

    once this agreement is breached, the japanese league is in serious trouble… so what’s to stop them from offering outrageous contracts to american amateur players to come play professionally in japan instead of toiling in the minor leagues?

    this tazawa thing is bigger than it appears

  329. CB November 24th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    AJ Burnett’s value is becoming severely inflated in this market.

    There’s been more demand for AJ than there has for Sabbathia. Think about that.

    AJ has as good an arm as anyone in baseball. But his results and injury history don’t match up well with where the market for him is headed.

    He’s not a pitcher who is a “must get.” He doesn’t have the track record to warrant that.

    A 5 year deal for him would be a very bad decision. If someone said before this past season someone said that AJ would not only opt out but sign a 5 year/70-75M deal most people would have laughed at that.

    Right now AJ’s perceived value is as high as its ever been. That doesn’t bode well for getting a good value in signing AJ.

    On the flip side I think Ben Sheets may be getting undervalued. He’s had no serious interest in him at all.

    If Sheets does only have a muscle tear in his elbow area – and not ligament damage – then I think the yankees should look into him.

    If he could be signed on a 2 year deal that could prove to be a very good value.

    Sheets is a better pitcher than Burnett. He has much better command.

    Jason Stark had this comparison on his blog:

    Pitcher A worked 198 1/3 innings this year, had a 3.09 ERA, made the All-Star team and recorded his career high in wins.

    Pitcher B threw 221 1/3 innings, had a 4.07 ERA, didn’t make the All-Star team but also reached a career high in wins.

    Pitcher A is a 30-year-old right-hander, and has a career record of 86-83, with a 3.72 ERA a 1.22 WHIP, in 221 starts.

    Pitcher B is a 31-year-old right-hander, and has a career record of 87-76, with a 3.81 ERA and a 1.33 WHIP, in 211 starts.

    One of these pitchers is A.J. Burnett, currently believed to be looking for a contract in the range of five years, $80 million.

    The other is Ben Sheets, currently bouncing around the second or third tier of free-agent starters, because he missed three starts at the end of the year with an elbow injury that’s not regarded as serious.

    Can you guess which is which?

    A is Sheets and B is Burnett.

    They’ve both had extensive health problems. The one big advantage AJ has over Sheets is that he’s already had TJ and its less likely he’ll need TJ again.

    I think this decision gets down to what Sheets injury truly is and where the market for AJ is going.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....ark_jayson

  330. mel November 24th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    SJ,

    Don’t forget Dontrelle Willis.

  331. Ed - sign CC immediately November 24th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    SJ,

    also add in Adam LaRoache, whose bat won’t heat up until after the All-Stars. Some people suggested that way before the Swisher deal.

  332. Bronx Jeers November 24th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Wasn’t the ” Church isn’t happy” chorus started by Francessa and later denied by Church?

  333. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    I’d wager Zito has less chance of coming to the Yanks than Igawa has of leaving the Yanks. Far less.

    There’s actually a faint, distant hope that someone would take Igawa even if NY has to pay for most or all of his contract.

    Zito’s deal is such a joke, SF’s only hope is that he pulls a Pavano so they can collect insurance money and make room for someone more valuable. Like … Igawa.

  334. Ed - sign CC immediately November 24th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Bronx Jeers,

    I forgot where I read it, but it’s true. Church was rushed to play games when he wasn’t completely healed from his concussion. Hence, why his numbers dropped when he came back from the DL. That’s what really made Church upset, he was rushed to play.

  335. S.o.S. November 24th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    mel,
    Name that child actor game.
    The girl from The Proffesional?

    So i was at a dinner with family and someone broke a glass and everyone started clapping. Iv seen this done for many years and never understood why? Can someone explain this to me?

  336. S.o.S. November 24th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    CB,
    Id take a 3 year deal for Sheets before i would take a 5 year deal for Burnett.

  337. mel November 24th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    SoS,

    No idea about the child actor.

    I know that Greeks like to throw plates at weddings and people clink their glasses to get the bride and groom to kiss.

    I feel so dirty, I was actually cheering for the Chargers to win. Stupid San Diego not running down the clock before calling that last time out.

  338. Al from BK November 24th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    “Everything that I’ve seen on this guy is that “he’s supposed to throw 97 MPH but stays at about 91-93 MPH” and “supposed to throw a great curve” and “supposed to have great control”.”

    Sounds like the bogus scouting reports we used to get about Hughes.

    Ed- Zito??? Lets be rational here if we miss CC we get AJ and Tex no Zito. The guy has never had electric stuff and hes a head case.

  339. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Ed, I still would take Adam LaRoche at first base. An .832 career OPS is nothing to sneeze at. Were you not going crazy or Ryan Garko for first?

  340. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Ed – sign CC immediately
    November 24th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
    SJ,

    also add in Adam LaRoache, whose bat won’t heat up until after the All-Stars. Some people suggested that way before the Swisher deal.

    ———————————————————-

    If NYY doesn’t sign Teixiera and they still want a legitimate first baseman, LaRoche, in my opinion, is the best target to try to get. NYY does have much of what Pittsburgh needs, young, cheap starters and relief pitchers and cash.

  341. Bronx Jeers November 24th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Natalie Portman

  342. CB November 24th, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    “Id take a 3 year deal for Sheets before i would take a 5 year deal for Burnett.”

    The choice between them is an interesting one because they are so similar in so many ways – both in terms of talent and risk.

    So I think it really depends on how the markets for both evolve.

    And perhaps more importantly – it depends on how transparent Sheets wants to be about his injury.

    It’s reportedly a torn muscle. But who knows? Sheets knew when he discussed the injury that it would have huge implications on the kind of contract he could get this winter.

    The trade offs between them have to be weighed carefully.

    But getting locked into Burnett for 4 years, never mind 5 has a lot of risk involved in it and reduces roster flexibility a lot.

    I don’t think we can make a definitive right or wrong conclusion as of know.

    I just think Sheets may be getting seriously undervalued right now while AJ is being over valued.

  343. S.o.S. November 24th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    mel,
    That was a ballsy fourth down and 1 on the 47 with 40 seconds left to pass the ball. I dont blame you for going against Indy. They have the tie breaker and could be the reason you guys miss the playoffs. Im glad Vinitari redeemed himself. Tomlinson looks like he misses his old fullback.

    Bronx Jeers is right. Natalie is the answer.

  344. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Al from BK
    November 24th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
    “Everything that I’ve seen on this guy is that “he’s supposed to throw 97 MPH but stays at about 91-93 MPH” and “supposed to throw a great curve” and “supposed to have great control”.”

    Sounds like the bogus scouting reports we used to get about Hughes.

    Ed- Zito??? Lets be rational here if we miss CC we get AJ and Tex no Zito. The guy has never had electric stuff and hes a head case.

    ———————————————————–

    More of the “Hughes bogus scouting reports” and “Hughes has never thrown 95 MPH” again? You’ve beaten the Hughes whine to death.

  345. mel November 24th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    Al,

    What bogus scouting reports? This if from Pete’s post^^:

    — Talked to three scouts who watched games in Arizona who all said Phil Hughes was throwing 94, 95 with ease. Now we need to see that in spring training.

    Pete,

    I saw a link that said Matsui wouldn’t be playing in the WBC because it would interfere with his rehab.

  346. Ed - sign CC immediately November 24th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    Al, Tom, and GB -

    you know what? I woke up crazy today. lol, but I still take Ryan Garko for 1B though.

  347. AROD fan November 24th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    How about:

    Jeter to CF
    A-Rod to SS
    Sign Tex to 1B
    trade Swisher for Chipper Jones (ok, i know this isn’t happening)

  348. SJ44 November 24th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    Sheets’ value is directly dependent on the MRI’s his agent (Casey Close) is making available to teams.

    If some teams think his MRI is shaky, he could concievably accept arbitration from the Brewers, play there one more year, and rebuild his value.

    If teams think his MRI shows a minor injury, his value will probably rise after Sabathia and/or Burnett makes their future destinations known.

  349. Al from BK November 24th, 2008 at 12:34 pm

    “I just think Sheets may be getting seriously undervalued right now while AJ is being over valued.”

    I agree if you could get Sheets for 2 years and an option the risk/reward would be much higher with Sheets.

  350. Wave Your Hat November 24th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    defense matters-

    Your projected acquisition of CC, Tex and Peavy does, in fact, “break the bank”, if you believe the Yanks’ budget talk (not sure I do).

    When speculating about roster moves, you have to keep in mind the following:

    Yanks payroll in 2008: $209MM
    Payroll coming off the books: $88MM
    Built-in Payroll increases due to contract escalations (ARod and Cano): $8MM
    Players already acquired (Marte and Swisher): 9.3MM
    Probabble arbitration increases: Assume $1.5MM for Wang, another $1.5MM for Nady.

    So, what we have left to spend: $68MM IF the 2008 payroll isn’t reduced; $49MM if payroll is reduced to $190MM.

    You want to add CC, Teixeira, Peavy and Pettitte, and subtract Nady.

    OK, let’s say $23MM for CC (it will be more), $20MM for Teixeira, $15MM for Peavy (don’t forget we will probably have to give him a market deal for him to waive his no-trade) and $12MM for Pettitte. Then, we gain back Nady’s 3.4MM and we won’t need to give him his arb increase.

    Net, you are adding $65MM. This puts us essentially back to the 2008 payroll. Even if you don’t sign Pettitte, you are still way over the rumored 2009 budget of $190MM.

    And, don’t forget, you haven’t any money left to upgrade the bench.

    I think that scenario is a non-starter if what we hear about the Yanks’ desire to lower their budget is true.

  351. S.o.S. November 24th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    Arod is too big now to play short. Im all for Jete in Center but you would need a replacement at short.

  352. Al from BK November 24th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    “Al,

    What bogus scouting reports? This if from Pete’s post:

    — Talked to three scouts who watched games in Arizona who all said Phil Hughes was throwing 94, 95 with ease. Now we need to see that in spring training.”

    That must be a first. I have watched every one of his ML starts and he has hit 95 maybe twice. Yes he can hit 95 but that is a once in awhile occurrence. Phil never sat at 95.

  353. alvaro espinoza's hipster frames November 24th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    the yankees are not going after laroche – they already have swisher, who i am very happy with.

    the yankees will get extensive medical reports on the extent of sheets’ injury. if they go after him, they will go in with eyes wide open.

    and i believe aj burnett has also had tommy john surgery

  354. CB November 24th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    “Sounds like the bogus scouting reports we used to get about Hughes.”

    If you don’t believe Pete this is what a scout told Stark about how Hughes was throwing in the AFL:

    “Yankees pitcher Phil Hughes (1-0, 3.60 ERA, 28 K’s, 25 IP): “Saw him two games, and he cruised. He dominated, and he should. His curveball was very sharp. All those people who think he’s lost his luster — no way. Hell, he’d be our No. 2 starter right now.”

    He’d be our No.2 starter right now. Not bad for a 22 yo kid.

    It’s strange how baseball people consistenty think more of Hughes than many yankee fans do.

    Hughes just needs to get more innings under his belt. He’ll be fine. They should keep him in AAA and let him get more work – he basically hasn’t pitched regularly in 2 years.

  355. Frankie speaking . . . November 24th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Never mind with the MPH and velocity already. It’s near useless unless a pitcher has command of the strike zone and knows how to mix his arsenal of pitches well.

  356. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Ed – sign CC immediately
    November 24th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
    SJ,

    also add in Adam LaRoache, whose bat won’t heat up until after the All-Stars. Some people suggested that way before the Swisher deal.

    ———————————————————–

    Actually, April is th only month that LaRoche has that’s bad. He’s solid to very good from May on. Graig Nettles and Bernie Williams are two that come to mind that always started off with slow Aprils.

  357. EDUB November 24th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    CB:

    I agree with you that it may be less risky to take a flier on Sheets for a year or two opposed to AJ’s five but examining those statistics comparing AJ and Sheets is a little misleading isn’t it? Pitcher A (Sheets) pitched in NL central while AJ compiled most of his statistics against the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays. I think that is a big reason why his value is as high as it is right now.

  358. CB November 24th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    “Sheets’ value is directly dependent on the MRI’s his agent (Casey Close) is making available to teams.”

    Completely agree. Does he have worrying structural damage in his elbow? If that’s the case than Close should be pushing that MRI/ medicals on teams as much as possible. Don’t know if he’s doing that.

    If it is a muscle tear – and that tear isn’t a warning sign of near-term coming ligament damage – Sheets should be looked into, IMO.

    When healthy his stuff would translate very well to he AL. He’s not the kind of NL pitcher who will get batted around in the AL East.

  359. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    “Never mind with the MPH and velocity already. It’s near useless unless a pitcher has command of the strike zone and knows how to mix his arsenal of pitches well.”

    Jose Capellan, remember him.

  360. mel November 24th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    I will be devastated if AJ ends up on the Red Sox. More importantly, so will the players.

  361. Wave Your Hat November 24th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    CB, if you yourself believed the scout, then why wouldn’t you want Hughes to start in the major league rotation instead of AAA?

  362. GreenBeret7 November 24th, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    CB
    November 24th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
    “Sounds like the bogus scouting reports we used to get about Hughes.”

    If you don’t believe Pete this is what a scout told Stark about how Hughes was throwing in the AFL:

    “Yankees pitcher Phil Hughes (1-0, 3.60 ERA, 28 K’s, 25 IP): “Saw him two games, and he cruised. He dominated, and he should. His curveball was very sharp. All those people who think he’s lost his luster—no way. Hell, he’d be our No. 2 starter right now.”

    ———————————————————–

    I’m more pleased to hear about his success with his curve ball than about the fast ball (although, he needs both). Being able to get the curve working in the high desert is great news, especially hearing that the other teams’ scouts were impressed.

  363. SJ44 November 24th, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I think the Yankees plans with Sheets fall directly in proportion (as is everything else) in what CC does.

    If he turns down the Yankees, they could concievably go all in for Tex, take a flyer on Sheets, and then say what happens with Burnett.

    If CC signs with the Yankees, then it could get interesting.

    Do they take a shot with Sheets, knowing they have someone like Hughes in AAA available if he gets hurt?

    Do they pass on Pettitte, take the shot on Sheets, and put Pettitte’s 16 million toward Tex?

    One thing is for sure. There is no way Scott Boras takes Tex off the market unless he knows for sure the Yankees won’t make a play for him.

    That’s why I think Tex’s situation will go well into December.

    If you are the Yankees, you have a lot of intriguing options available whether CC signs with them or not.

    However, if he does sign with the Yankees, their options certainly improve if they decide to get a little creative.

  364. jennifer November 24th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    The same people that are screaming that we should get AJ, are the same ones that are killing Cash for signing Pavano when he had no history of dl stints (as far as I am aware). Meanwhile they want Cash to sign someone who lives on the dl.

  365. SJ44 November 24th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Wave,

    Because he isn’t yet a finished pitcher for a playoff contending team.

    Until he can command three pitches for strikes in any count, as well as increase his innings/durability, I would be hesitant to start him in the rotation in 2009.

    Doesn’t mean he won’t be ready for the rotation at some point in 2009. Just don’t think its at the start of the season.

  366. CB November 24th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    “but examining those statistics comparing AJ and Sheets is a little misleading isn’t it? Pitcher A (Sheets) pitched in NL central while AJ compiled most of his statistics against the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays. ”

    No not really. It is absolutely true that pitching in the AL is more difficult.

    But AJ Burnett pitched the majority of his career in the NL – he played the vast majority of his career and starts for the Marlins. So not only are most of his numbers from the NL – they are from one of the most pitcher friendly ball park in all of baseball.

    And when you are talking about how generalizable statistics are for pitcher you have to take talent and stuff into consideration. You can’t just look at the stats and just assume that it’s not “fair” to compare them.

    Sheets is immensely talented. More talented than Burnett because he has much better command.

    We’ve talked a lot about Mussina lately. He’s been one of the great control pitchers of his era walking only 1.98/9.

    When you are walking less than 2 hitters/9 as a pitcher, especially as a power pitcher with a 90+ fastball – that is just a very rare skill.

    Sheets career BB/9 – 1.97. Same as Mussina’s career mark. Sheet’s average fastball velocity last year was 93 mph. He walked 2.13/9 last season. He is a legit power pitcher who has fantastic command.

    I have very little concern that Sheets would excel in the AL East if he was healthy. He has outstanding, shut down stuff.

  367. ANSKY November 24th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    AJ in Boston would be a hard thing to predict.

    When I think of him playing here, I worry about him being injured.

    When I think of him playing in Boston, I worry about him not being injured.

    Chances are he’ll hit some bumps. Right now Boston has lots of question marks in their rotation. Tough call.

    It sounds like Sheets could be looked at as a better value (if his recent arm probs are in fact small ones) with less leverage for a longer contract w/o team option.

  368. defense matters November 24th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    Wave your hat,
    Thanks for the insight I hadn’t considered considering that peavy would require a pay raise to waive no trade. Cot’s has his down for 8 million in 09 so with you calculation i was thinking mid $50 million back also the extra player i was considering could be bruney another million off. In my mind the bigger variable is how much they will pay pettitte. but again your numbers are correct. The reason this was my ideal winter was more that it would forego burnette or sheets as i don’t want any more pavano reduxes. with cc, peavy, wang, and pettitte you would would have some huge garanteed innings eaters. Good call on their projected budget. where did you here 190 mil?

  369. mel November 24th, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    jennifer,

    I think I’m the only one screaming for AJ. I’m aware of AJ’s history, but feel he’s worth the risk.

    I realize I’m the only one who feels this way, but I can’t shake it.

  370. Al from BK November 24th, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Phil needs most of the year in AAA. He is not ready for the bigs unless he learns a 3rd pitch. Joba is mostly a 2 pitch pitcher but thats just because he throws 100 mph and has a filthy slider he can get away with mistakes. Phil throws 91-93 and has decent but not ridiculous 12-6 curve, if he ever learns how to throw a third pitch then he could dominate.

  371. SJ44 November 24th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    Folks need to forget about Peavy. He’s not coming to NY.

    He also doesn’t want to be in NY.

    The last thing the Yankees need is to force someone to play in NY who doesn’t want to be in NY.

    Now, before folks yell, “what about CC”, unlike CC (who has NEVER said he doesn’t want to play in NY), Peavy has made it clear he doesn’t want to play in NY.

    When he gave his list of teams that he would waive his no trade to go to, the Yankees weren’t on the list.

    He will eventually end up in Atlanta. It makes too much sense for both the Padres and Braves not to make that deal.

  372. CB November 24th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    “if you yourself believed the scout, then why wouldn’t you want Hughes to start in the major league rotation instead of AAA?”

    Risk stratification.

    Talent wise I do believe Hughes will be a terrific pitcher.

    But I don’t think it would be a wise move in terms of risk and equity (in fairness to him) to ask him to do that at the start of the 2009 season.

    Hughes hasn’t really pitched in 2 seasons. And by “pitched” I mean the kind of pitching any young player needs to get better – regular work in a rotation where you can go out in succession and work on your stuff.

    He just hasn’t had that. Hughes needs innings – innings in a place where he can be afforded the luxury of learning.

    That’s not the major leagues.

    He’s added the cutter – look at what the pitch has done for so many other guys. It’s been a career maker. Pettite for example. But even last year – John Lester mastering his cutter allowed him to take off. John Danks – the pitch turned around his career.

    Hughes needs time to work on that pitch. To work on his change. To build arm strength again.

    Those are things you can afford to do in the minors. Not the majors.

    I think he has the talent to just stick in the rotation to start 2009. But I think the risk proposition is a bad one because he’s still learning – learning things that are best worked on in the minors.

    Learning things which often lead to pitchers – even talented ones – getting batted around in the pros.

    Especially with another rookie penciled into the rotation – the risk proposition pencilling Hughes into the rotation just isn’t a good one.

    2 years without throwing every 5 days – that’s a lot of overcome.

  373. SJ44 November 24th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    Burnett is a great deal at 4/65+ million for the Yankees.

    5 years? HUGE risk. The kind of risk that I don’t know that the Yankees can afford to make.

    If a team wants to go to 5 for him, I would imagine its a non-contender and not the Red Sox. The Red Sox didn’t go 5 years for Josh Beckett. Why would they do that for a 32 year old AJ Burnett?

    If the Blue Jays are desperate enough to go 5 for him, I’d walk away and I love AJ as a pitcher.

    Just don’t like 5 years. Especially if they have CC in the fold.

  374. CB November 24th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    I cannot imagine Theo giving AJ Burnett a 5 year deal.

    That would be completely out of character for Theo and the Sox.

    I’d be very, very surprised to see that. Especially for a guy with the injury history of AJ.

  375. aron November 24th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/11.....140531.htm

  376. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 24th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    “Arod is too big now to play short. Im all for Jete in Center but you would need a replacement at short.”

    Arod athletically can play anywhere except catcher or the OF. Jeter can’t go to his left in the infield you want to put him to go left in Yankees Stadium CF ? How does that make sense to you ?

  377. G. Love November 24th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Mel — I want AJ here.I want nothing to do with Lowe in pinstripes.

    I think AJ would add that wild card intimidation factor to the rotation. From what I’ve seen he has some intangibles on the mound that come up in statistical analysis.

    I think he should be a top priority and I hope the Yankees don’t lull themselves into thinking they’ll pass.

    I know he has nights where he is unhittable and I know he has nights where he walks the ballpark…but I’d rather have a guy with his stuff for 4-5 years than Lowe or Sheets for 3 years.

    If the Yankees offer the highest annual avg. per year for Sheets for 4 years with a 5 year make-able option based on his health in the 4th year, it should be good enough.

    AJ is healthy right now and with his stuff, he’s worth the money. If you pick all your players because you’re afraid of them getting hurt, you’d have no players.

    Everyone gets hurt. Everyone has an injury history.

    It’s why if we can get Sheets at a bargain price I take a flier on him too if he wants NY and the Yankees.

  378. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 24th, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    LOL Arod skipping Kaballah classes come on duh we knew he wasn’t in it for the classes.

  379. SJ44 November 24th, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    CB,

    The more I think about it, if CC does indeed sign with the Yankees, I think they should go all in for Tex.

    I know Cash has said he “hasn’t calculated” the payroll with both of them on it. Personally, I find that hard to believe, given his almost fanatical attention to detail.

    Perhaps, he hasn’t “calculated” the payroll with both Tex and CC in it because he has always calculated it to include another FA (Burnett, Lowe) FA pitcher?

    That said, if CC comes to NY, I would be much more comfortable committing money north of 17 million a year for Tex than I would AJ or Lowe.

    It gives them a guy in Swisher that can get 300-400 AB’s a year as a super utility guy. Something missing on this team in recent years.

    Also, to fill the void of being short a starting pitcher, they could go in a couple of different directions.

    One, re-sign Pettitte for a year.
    Two, take a flyer on Sheets.
    Three, see what “bargains” there are after free agency, non-tenders, etc.

    If the rotation consisted of: Wang, CC, Joba, perhaps Pettitte or Sheets, and a “flyer” type of guy, that’s still a pretty solid rotation.

    They would improve both offensively and defensively with the addition of Tex and Swisher gives them a valuable role player off the bench.

    Seems to me they could still hit their payroll goal with both CC and Tex in the fold. Just means they wouldn’t be adding another long term FA pitching contract to the mix.

    Which might not be a bad thing.

  380. G. Love November 24th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Holy typo’s Batman — I mean the Yanks off AJ the 4 year deal w/make-able option for the 5th year.

  381. jason November 24th, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    I know I will get pilloried for mentioning “reports,” but for those that saw Hughes in AZ they said his cutter was coming along very nicely.
    For me it is the change that will be key to success. I read a Nardi Contreras interview where he said Hughes will throw 10% change-ups in the minor leagues next year.
    He does need some time to work on his extended repertoire. Mastering AAA with purely fastball/curve is different than mastering AAA with change/cutter/curve/fastball.

  382. Wave Your Hat November 24th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    SJ44 and CB-

    I have no idea whether Hughes would or would not work out in the Yanks’ rotation in 2009.

    If we don’t sign three free agent pitchers, I don’t know who in our farm system is more likely than Hughes to produce wins at the major league level.

    Personally, I’m hoping that the Yanks don’t sign three FA pitchers because they need to devote a little more money to the offense side of the ball, IMO.

  383. Bronx Jeers November 24th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    I dont get the AJ at 4 ys is great but at 5 is a huge risk.

    Yes it’s obvious that the older one gets the more susceptible one is to injury but it’s not like you can predict that an injury will occur 4 yrs in the future.

    Who knows what these guys will be earning in 5 yrs.

  384. Hal S. November 24th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Stop talking about Jake Peavy. He doesnt want to play in New York. He is probably scared to leave the pitcher friendly park in San Diego and the pitcher friendly crappy NL West. Certainly does not want 18 games with the teams of the AL East.

  385. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 24th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    jason,

    Good points on Hughes.

    Homeboy needs to spend A LOT more time in AAA working on two or three additional pitches.

    I think his ideal repertoire would include his 4 seamer, Curve, Cut, Change, and 2 seamer.

  386. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 24th, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    HUGHES IN THE ROTATION IN 2009 IS AN AWFUL IDEA.

    2010 maybe, but he needs to learn to be consistently successful with more than 2 pitches.

  387. Hal S. November 24th, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    I too dont see why 4 is ok but 5 is a huge problem. If it is though, just try 4 years at 18 mil instead of 5 years at 16 mil and offer 5th year option.

    4 years/ $70 mil
    5 years/ $80 mil

    Also, consider Garland and Penny.

  388. Al from BK November 24th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    SJ- Great ideas. I think if we get CC we should go after Tex and those will be our 2 big ticket guys. Then we should sign Pettitte and Sheets to a lighter deal than it would take for AJ. For example CC for 25 per, Tex for 20 per, Pettitte for 10 per and Sheets for 15 per on a short term deal. That works out to about 70 million added which would still leave the payroll around if not less than 200 mil. If all goes well we could have a line up of:

    Damon-CF
    Jeter-SS
    Tex-1B
    A-Rod-3B
    Matsui-DH
    Nady-RF
    Posada-C
    Cano-2B
    Swisher-LF

    and a staff of:

    1)CC Sabathia
    2)Chien Ming Wang
    3)Ben Sheets
    4)Andy Pettitte
    5)Joba Chamberlain

  389. CB November 24th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    “That said, if CC comes to NY, I would be much more comfortable committing money north of 17 million a year for Tex than I would AJ or Lowe.”

    SJ,

    Mel, Pat M and a number of others here having been beating the Tex drum for quite a while and I’ve also come around.

    Tex to me is a very, very good player but not elite. And he’s going to command elite money. He does a lot of things exceedingly well. But he doesn’t play a premium up the middle position so doing multiple things well has less value, IMO. And he just doesn’t have a bat like Manny’s or Alex’s.

    That’s always concerned me about signing him. Maybe I’ve been under rating him.

    But I agree with you – I think they should go all in on Tex as well.

    Given the current state of the team the value proposition Tex presents is very, very compelling. And the yankee’s needs and assets in the minor leagues makes the yankee’s need for Tex is significant. Because of that even if they are paying him like an elite player he’d still present a compelling value.

    The left side of the infield is locked in for the next two years. Given that they infield defense can only get better if they upgrade on the right side. This requires Cano to get his head straight – but also upgrading at 1b. Just another reason why Tex’s value to the Yanks is particularly high.

    Like you, part of what’s made me think that is the dollars they’ve been talking about for AJ. At that kind of AAV and years, Tex is much, much less risky. He’s just much more likely to produce up to expectations for a pitcher. That’s true of Tex vs. CC. And much more true to Tex vs. Burnett.

    But the yankee’s need for CC, given the state of their rotation right now, is enormous. So he has to be priority #1.

    Their need for offense is significant as well. And that makes Tex a higher priority than getting AJ.

    I don’t believe Cash for a minute when he says he hasn’t thought about budgeting for Tex. In fact, when they passed on Santana last winter I’m sure they had gamed out every possible scenario for winter 2009.

    This winter has clearly been on their minds for a long time. Even moves like the Nady trade – it’s clear Cash did that at least in part so that he could jettison Abreu get younger and get picks.

    I’m sure he’s thought out every possible scenario.

    I think their relative silence on Tex fits in with the way they like to approach personnel moves.

  390. Wave Your Hat November 24th, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    AL from BK, you’ve underestimated your payroll. Take a look at my earlier post to defense matters and you’ll see why.

    SJ44 and CB,

    If you can sign CC for $25MM per year and Teixeira for $20MM per year, that would put the Yanks’ 2009 budget at approximately $186MM (assuming Wang and Nady got approximately $3MM in arbitration raises between them).

    If you look at the CAIRO projections and pythagorean win projections over at Replacement Level Yankees Weblog for that team, and assume Swisher moves to CF, or some combination of Damon, Swisher and Nady play in CF, you’d find that team projects to about 96 wins, maybe a little better. That’s pretty good, although maybe not good enough.

    If you were willing to go to $196MM to $200MM, then you could add another free agent pitcher and you’d have a real good chance to win the division

  391. just on old fashion love song November 24th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    So Aceves is not in any possible plans for the rotation? Seems to me he would be given a shot during ST. For back of the rotation, he could be OK.

  392. AJW November 24th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    We cannot let Tex go the Red Sux. I’m sorry we cannot let that happen. Show him the money Cash.

    http://www.fannation.com/truth.....ref=fromSI

  393. Al from BK November 24th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    “So Aceves is not in any possible plans for the rotation? Seems to me he would be given a shot during ST. For back of the rotation, he could be OK.”

    Aceves is a good 6th starter/long man I dont think he is a rotation pitcher.

  394. Wave Your Hat November 24th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    If the Yanks sign Teixeira someone from the farm has to pitch in the 5th starter’s slot. Aceves is certainly on the list.

  395. Mrs. Kekich November 24th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    Interesting point by Joel Sherman in this column Pete cits – he was a prick to the media until he knew he was close to retirement, so he buddies up to beat guys as a “go-to” quote so he goes out as a good guy after 15 years of blowing them off. And that was enough to sway some Hall voters or future Hall voters. Nice. He truly is a smart guy.

  396. Andrew (Official Scorer) November 24th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    The CC/Wang/Sheets/Joba/Flier rotation seems dicey, considering Sheets is bound to go on the DL and Joba is on an innings limit and will need to be skipped/monitored. It seems like a recipe for over-relying on serviceable but not great/unproven arms to make too many starts, which seems to be what Cashman is trying to avoid for 2009.

    Furthermore, I also think it’s strange to say that Hughes needs to spend all of 2009 in AAA, as if it’s impossible for him to have 2-3 months in Scranton where he shows and polishes a fuller repertoire of throwing more than the #1 and the curve, and then ascends when the inevitable injury occurs. One thing, though, that I hope happens this year that did not happen in 2007 and probably screwed Hughes up, is that someone like Kennedy or Aceves or Chase Wright or (fill in the blank) gets called up before Phil if there is any “out for 2 weeks” scenarios that spring up in April or May for the rotation. I really feel like Hughes would benefit from getting a major head of steam at AAA for numerous months next year, not being the 1st guy recalled if there is an injury in the rotation and a fill-in is needed only on a temporary basis.

  397. CB November 24th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    “Personally, I’m hoping that the Yanks don’t sign three FA pitchers because they need to devote a little more money to the offense side of the ball, IMO.”

    Wave,

    I agree that the offense needs to be improved and that need should alter how resources are allocated.

    Right now there are two areas where the offense can be improved. The most efficient use of resources to improve the offense would be improving CF given that Gardner could very well play at replacement level with his bat. The other area clearly is 1b.

    I’d like to see them sign Pettite now to lock him away and to continue to pursue CC as a sign at all cost.

    Then I’d like to see them make a major push for Tex.

    After that I’d like to see them fill in the last spot in the rotation as their resources dictate.

    If that means taking a shot on a journeyman type so be it. I’d give aceves a shot.

    Ideally I’d love to see if they could get Sheets on a quasi-reasonable 2 year deal.

    That’s roughly the way I’d go.

    Part of why I’m more inclined to sign Tex is the huge problem CF presents and the risk Cano now presents.

    Sign Tex and you can move Swisher to the OF. Then I’d move Damon to CF and rotate him in CF with Gardner (larger parks/ more aggressive runnings teams) and Swisher (in smaller parks) with Damon resting in LF.

    If Damon could play in CF he’d likely be a 40 run upgrade at the plate compared to Gardner.

    Tex would be a roughly 30 run upgrade at 1b compared to Swisher.

    That would be a very potent offense and could absorb Cano continuing to tank.

  398. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 24th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    I gotta ask:

    Why does everything feel the Yankees need to patch EVERY quasi-hole the team has THIS offseason, entirely with FAs?

    Can the team not be a work in progress thats ready to really go for the crown in 2010 or 2011?

    All this Teixeira chatter is killing me.

    What is the one thing we need? Starting pitching. So why not focus on that now and concern ourselves with bats when it is more necessary?

    Heck, if CC doesn’t sign, I’d try to lock up Lowe for the sake of innings and THEN maybe visit Teixiera.

    Just cuz we CAN spend $200 million doesn’t mean we need to…

  399. SJ44 November 24th, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    The difference between 4 and 5 years on AJ is enormous. Its not just the money (and he won’t agree to a 5th year option if he has 5 guaranteed years in tow from another team), its how it hamstrings you from certain moves down the line. Every contract has an impact throughout the entire organization and affects what they do in the future.

    All you have to look at is the Giambi contract as an example.

    The two extra years the Yankees added to that deal (when George was bidding against himself) really hamstrung what they could do with the roster the past few years.

    In turn, it made him less and less valuable to the team. Partly because, he would have had to produce at 2001 levels for him to justify the last two years on his deal.

    Fans often look at the first two years of a deal when they want players. I prefer to look at the last two years to see if the Yankees could afford to carry a guy who won’t be as productive as he was earlier in his contract.

    Moose was a rarity. He actually outperformed his contracts. That’s an exception and not the rule when it comes to free agents.

    In a way, its like working percentages. The chances of a guy with AJ’s history going 4 years without DL time is pretty strong. Five years? Just about impossible.

    Plus, AJ, unlike CC for example, is over 30. That’s when you start getting into the scary stuff with players.

    AJ and Tex are rare in the sense that they are both FA and are BOTH under 30.

    I have to believe that’s a major consideration for a team like the Yankees. Who, beside trying to get better is also trying to get younger.

  400. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 24th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    “We cannot let Tex go the Red Sux. I’m sorry we cannot let that happen. Show him the money Cash.”

    Watch him end up in Washington they are preparing the a big money longterm deal.

  401. YANKS IN 2010 November 24th, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    I also have been in the “stick w/ CC and forget about Tex camp”, but the more I think about it…it makes too much sense not to go for both

    We need a 3-hole hitter and it would be nice to upgrade 1B (over Swisher)

    If you want to stick with Swisher at 1B, then your options for the 3-hole are Matsui coming off two knee surgeries, Cano who is not ready for that pressure, or resigning Abreu- a step in the wrong direction

    If you sign Tex, it fills the 3-hole and he plays 1B very well…a perfect fit for our needs

    In addition, Matsui’s and Damon’s contracts are up next year so that is another 26 million coming off the books

    Let’s go get the two best FA’s…and worry about building depth through the minors, trades, and smart FA’s signings

    Not risky and overpriced ones…(i.e. Sheets, Burnett, Lowe)

  402. Wave Your Hat November 24th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    CB,

    That’s the way I see it too, which is why I was tweaking you on Hughes a little earlier. He seems to me to be as good a shot as anyone to fill that 5th starter slot under your scenario.

    But your proposed team is going to cost $200MM, not $190MM. And that’s not improving the bench (except to the extent that signing Teixeira gives you five real outfielders).

  403. Ed - patience isn't a virtue to some people November 24th, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    “Watch him end up in Washington they are preparing the a big money longterm deal.”

    ..and watch him be a Yankee in 2012, or have to trade Zimmerman when he’s starting to get expensive.

  404. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    I think that is where the Yankees are going with their rotation.

    The more one reads and hears the more I get the feelong that the fith spot in the rotation is going to go to one of Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves, or Veteran back end of the rotaion starter.

    The YAnkees plan on signing two of CC, Burnett, Lowe, and Pettitte. That leaves the rotaion at 4 when combined with Wang and Joba. The fifth spot is still a question mark.

  405. sunny615 November 24th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Hey Pete -

    You are in Rob Neyer’s ESPN blog today… is that considered big time? You seem to be a solid source for all other major outlets not. Time to call your boss for that raise you righteously deserve.

  406. Bronx Jeers November 24th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Love song,

    Aceves: Guess it all depends on who and how many are in camp but I would say it’s likely he’ll be competing for the 5th spot in March.

    I liked him as well albeit it was a small sample of work. He’s gutsy.

  407. Patrick November 24th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    I’d love Tex but if the Yanks sign CC I just don’t see how they can afford him.

    I think you have to add RF as a possible upgradable position. Nady is okay but he’s nothing special.

  408. Al from BK November 24th, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    ““We cannot let Tex go the Red Sux. I’m sorry we cannot let that happen. Show him the money Cash.”

    Watch him end up in Washington they are preparing the a big money longterm deal.”

    Tex is money hungry but I doubt he goes to the Nats if he has offers from the Yanks/Sox/Angels.

  409. YANKS IN 2010 November 24th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    I gotta ask:

    Why does everything feel the Yankees need to patch EVERY quasi-hole the team has THIS offseason, entirely with FAs?

    Can the team not be a work in progress thats ready to really go for the crown in 2010 or 2011?

    All this Teixeira chatter is killing me.

    What is the one thing we need? Starting pitching. So why not focus on that now and concern ourselves with bats when it is more necessary?

    Heck, if CC doesn’t sign, I’d try to lock up Lowe for the sake of innings and THEN maybe visit Teixiera.

    Just cuz we CAN spend $200 million doesn’t mean we need to…
    _________________

    I agree, the best teams are built over the course of a few years…and we need to keep in mind that there are too many holes on this team to fill all in one offseason

    However, when risk-free FA’s come into the market you need to snag them…get CC and Tex

    Leave AJ, Manny, Sheets, Dunn alone

  410. S.o.S. November 24th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    SJ,
    I agree on being leary for a 5th year for a.j. But i dont see anyone resisting to sign C.C. to a 7th year? I would treat a 7th year for Sabathia equal to a 5th for Burnett. He is over weight and has had a ton of mileage on that arm the last couple years. Thoughts.

  411. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" November 24th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....6046.story

    Davidnoff basically saids CC might make his decision this week. LA Angels have not made an offer the domino effect syndrome has to do w/ the Angels and Artie Moreno, Moreno most likely is not letting the Red Sox land Teix. CC if Teix signs w/ LA Angels he will most likely sign w/ the Yankees since the Dodgers and Giants are not in the running and he’d be out of options. Your move CC :D

  412. YankeesLuv November 24th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

    AROD fan
    November 24th, 2008 at 1:38 am
    on the other hand jeter at 1st is sort of a bad idea
    ————————-
    Maybe so but eventually he’s going to have to move from short, either to 1st or switch him with Cano and put him at 2nd?

  413. CB November 24th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    “But your proposed team is going to cost $200MM, not $190MM.”

    I know. So what I’ve hoping they can do may just not be feasible.

    What I’m hoping is that the team sees the opportunity this year is presenting given the free agent talent available and the money coming off the books next year.

    I haven’t been a very enthusiastic sign Tex guy this year for reasons I’ve touched on.

    But another reason why I’d like them to pursue him is that I just don’t like Matt Holliday.

    I’m concerned that if the offense struggles again this year – they will spend the same money on Holliday that they could have on Tex.

    That to me would be a very poor outcome.

    I’d much rather have Swisher LF/ Tex 1b than Swisher 1b/ Holliday LF.

    So I’d make a committment to spend more this year – and focus next year on only growing through young cost controlled players while Damon and Matsui come off the books.

    Hopefully Swisher plays well. No matter his position – they really need him to be a piece they can count on given his flexibility and contract.

    But as you point out – all of this depends on the exacty budget and the structure of the budget (hard, soft, 1 year vs. 2 year, etc.).

    And the bench will be an issue regardless. I’d love them to pick up a Ty Wigginton but that is unlikely to be feasible.

    All of this said – I still would not pencil in Hughes to start in the rotation in 2009.

    If he pitches poorly the reaction from NY will be overwhelming. It could damage him as a long term asset signficantly.

    He needs to be allowed to develop at his own rate – not due to the pressing budget needs at hand.

    They passed up on Santana in part due to their desire to keep Hughes. They need to continue to invest in him given that fixed cost.

  414. Wave Your Hat November 24th, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    The CC + Tex strategy requires signing another free agent pitcher. IMO there is no way that the Yanks will go into the 2009 season with Joba as the number three starter with two unproven starters after that.

  415. mel November 24th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    I can see the Angels not bidding on CC. They’ve got Lackey, Santana, and a good system. They need to replace Garland, not Lackey. Of course if they offered $100M, CC would be there.

    I still can’t see Tex to Boston. That’s not much of a threat.

  416. EDUB November 24th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Tex would be a fine addition but I’d really like, first and foremost, to see the Yankees put together a serious contending starting rotation. I am a big believer in the notion that players will perform better behind a guy that they feel like they have a chance to win with. A lot of the guys seem to be very high on AJ. That belief in his stuff coming from the players is, IMO, sufficient to spark the offense into performing better next year. Getting two top of the line starters is the direction I’d like to see the Yankees go this offseason

  417. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 24th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Once again:

    HUGHES OR IPK for the 5th starter is a terrible idea. They are not ready and forcing them into it will only further hinder their development.

    I think IPK is a lost cause, but that’s just me.

  418. nomorearod November 24th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Pete – I couldn’t agree with you more about God Bless America. People forget that this was started as a result of September 11th. Before that, they sang Take Me Out to the Ballgame, which is the song that should be sung at every baseball game’s 7th inning stretch. Not to take anything away from the horrific events of September 11th, but it has been over seven years, and it is time to go back to the tradition of honoring the game of baseball. Baseball is AMERICA’s pastime. It’s not like we’re talking about burning flags during the 7th inning stretch.

  419. G. Love November 24th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Here’s a question — say you sign AJ to a 5 year deal and you win 1 championship in the first 3 years of that deal and he’s a big part of that happening but by year 5 he’s injured or is a non effective part of the rotation.

    Is it worth the 5th year then?

    I know where I as a Yankee fan stand on that question.

    This is a win now team. Mo, Jeter, Arod, etc.

    Give them the tools to win one in the next few seasons while they are still effective and justify your investment in them beyond their ticket selling ability.

    You pass up AJ for a 5th year and we end up with Paul Byrd or something to that effect OR we go back to this nonsense that Hughes is ready for the majors right now (which he isn’t, the AFL is long way from Yankees Stadium) and we’ll be sitting here clamoring for the likes of Washburn again come July.

    I go for it. In 5 years he may not be able to throw a fastball or he still might be an effective pitcher. Anyone saying they know either for certain is silly.

    I don’t see a 5 year contract to AJ Burnett or more specifically the 5th guaranteed year being the reason why the Yankees can’t field a competitive team 5 years from now.

  420. Glenn November 24th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    If Casey Close truly wants a suitor for his client Ben Sheets, he needs to send him to Birmingham, Alabama to get a clean bill of health (or not) from Dr. Andrews.

  421. Patrick November 24th, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    “I think IPK is a lost cause, but that’s just me.”

    Why?

  422. CB November 24th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    “IMO there is no way that the Yanks will go into the 2009 season with Joba as the number three starter with two unproven starters after that.”

    And this is one reason why they may decide to pass on Tex depending on budget.

    They are balancing different kinds of risks.

    Tex long term presents the best long term risk.

    But the greatest downside risk of 2009 would be if they take a chance (journeyman, prospect, etc) on the rotation and it doesn’t work out leaving a gaping sore all season.

    The risk they very well might be most concerned with is the risk of the rotation being a disaster in 2009.

    Because that risk may flush the entire season down the tubes.

    This is partly why I don’t find the camp (ex. Sheehan…) that says sign Tex at all costs as he’s much less risky than the pitcher all that compelling. It doesn’t consider the down side risk of the current pitching staff that only has 2 starters pencilled in.

    There really aren’t a lot of easy decisions here. Very tough trade offs.

  423. mel November 24th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    G. Love,

    In the NBA and in MLB, you have to give the extra year for the big FA. That’s how it is. We gave it to Mo (might be worth it), Posada (may or may not have been a deal breaker, but who knew that the 1st year was riskier than the last?), and A-rod (You only want 7? Hey! How about 10?).

    Make the 5th year an option and get it done.

  424. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 24th, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Patrick,

    I think its because from what I’ve seen, he looks like a guy that is one of those AAAA guys that can’t find consistent success at the ML level.

    This is my opinion.

    People want to compare him to a guy like Mussina…its just not fair to the kid. He’s not Moose, he doesn’t throw as hard, his stuff isn’t AS good, and the Yankees are in the AL East. People praise him for locating his pitches but he has rarely done that at the ML level. So what are his intangibles at this point?

    I simply think that if he has value on the trade market, it should be looked into very seriously. Heck…what if you can sling him elsewhere and bring in a 5 hole starter that eats 6 innings a start?

    Joba has been successful and Hughes appears to have greater raw talent and will probably work out in the long haul if given the time to develop. So that would be two successful farmhands. its okay to but IPK loose in this respect w/o saying you don’t keep farmhands.

  425. Bronx Jeers November 24th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    “In a way, its like working percentages. The chances of a guy with AJ’s history going 4 years without DL time is pretty strong. Five years? Just about impossible”

    I appreciate your response although I either don’t understand or just don’t agree with the above. To me, it assumes he’ll break down in the 5th yr.

    4 yrs injury free = pretty strong liklihood
    5 yrs injury free = just about impossible.

    Obvious 4 yrs is preferred but I just think that if he’s a terrible risk at 5 yrs then he’s just a slightly better risk at 4.

  426. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 24th, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    Patrick,

    I should add that while I realize the sample size is relatively small in terms of what we’ve seen IPK do on the ML level, what he has shown has been unimpressive TO ME.

    Again, this merely my opinion and nothing more.

  427. West Coast Guy November 24th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

    I don’t know what to pay less attention to, the misdirection from the team “sources” during FA season, or the mindless/groundless speculation from the so-called media that makes no sense whasoever. For example http://www.fannation.com/truth.....ref=fromSI.

  428. Mike R November 24th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    IPK did a pretty good job locating pitches when he was called up at the end of the 2007 season. He showed a glimpse of potential, and I think it would be silly to give up on the kid. He’s what, 24 years old?

  429. Wave Your Hat November 24th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    “But the greatest downside risk of 2009 would be if they take a chance (journeyman, prospect, etc) on the rotation and it doesn’t work out leaving a gaping sore all season.”

    That’s a risk but I’m not convinced that it is the greatest risk.

    If the Yanks sign two free agent pitchers, then there is only one open slot to be filled. The Yanks have a number of promising young pitchers, and between them we ought to get a decent performance out of the fifth slot. Remember, we don’t necessarily need the performance of a league average starter there (league average overall, not league average for a fifth starter).

    Meanwhile, without Teixeira, we are counting on bounceback seasons from Cano and Swisher, a healthy Posada, a healthy Matsui and for Nady to maintain his performance level. The risk all those things don’t happen is the greatest risk for 2009, IMO.

    By the way, there is an alternative to Teixeira – getting Cameron from the Brewers. He doesn’t improve the team quite as much as Teixeira (I see Teixeira adding a little more than three wins, Cameron two), but he is a vast step-up from Gardner and the cost savings will allow the Yanks to improve the starting pitching to a greater extent and have a little money left for the bench.

    I still like the Teixeira approach better as it is a long term fix at a crucial position.

  430. SJ44 November 24th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    CC’s weight has nothing to do with his arm SOS.

    David Wells was overweight his entire career and had a rubber arm.

    Other guys are workout freaks (Sheets for example) and are always hurt.

    Many times, guys with CC’s build are just built to pitch deep into their careers. His arm seems to respond very nicely to the workload.

    Ironically, if he signs with the Yankees, he would pitch fewer innings because the Yankees bullpen is considerably better than he has had in his career.

    As far as a 7th year for CC, nobody has offered him that so, its hard to say teams aren’t leery of it.

    Far as I know, only the Yankees have even offered a 6th year.

    At this point, its unquestioned his is less of a health risk than Burnett.

    The issue becomes, how high do they want to go to secure his services.

  431. Andrew (Official Scorer) November 24th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    “Heck…what if you can sling him elsewhere and bring in a 5 hole starter that eats 6 innings a start?”

    Because that’s probably what he will end up being, so what’s the point of trading him and presumably another useful prospect (since right now he’s not proven and will not alone get you any type of proven starter) to get what he could become with (God forbid I say it on this board where people love to declare that he should never wear pinstripes again like buffoons) some more time and some more big league experience?

  432. mel November 24th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Perhaps the best reason for landing Tex, in addition to his gold-glove defense, patience at the plate, switch-hitting ability, and offensive production is this: How sweet would it be to take candy away from the Angels?

  433. myrtlebeachfan November 24th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    CC is extremely valuable if only because he will go deep into games and is durable. I don’t know for sure that he will outperform Wang and be our “ace.”

    I would love for us to stop chasing so hard after Burnett and just sign Sheets. He will command less money and both of them are a coin toss. Plus, Sheets is a better pitcher than Burnett and when healthy, will do well in the AL East.

    Teixeira is not a “must” UNLESS the Red Sox are *truly* poised to get him. If they are just making noise and do not actually intend to sign him (which is my suspicion), then we don’t “need” him. But I sign him anyway. There’s not really a better buy out there with a combination of age/talent. He’s about to hit the best years of his career and we’d benefit immensely to have him here for that.

    The only worry I have is clogging up 1B spot with Jesus Montero waiting in the wings. Hopefully he can hone his skills as catcher and pan out in the right way – either way, is a good problem to have.

  434. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 24th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    Mike R.,

    Ya, again, his sample size has not been HUGE, but I just don’t see him panning out for the Yankees.

    Maybe he can find success elsewhere. If the Yankees are seriously considering bringing him back and keeping him, he too should spend more time in AAA and be added to the bullpen for long relief.

    Again, Joba is a success. Hughes I believe is a far better possibility of panning out once he develops two or three addtional pitches. So, you take the third (IPK) and trade him for something you need more which, if we’re talking about 2009, is a 5 hole pitcher. Or heck, try to get a position player in return.

  435. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 24th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Andrew,

    because I don’t believe he can be a 5th starter on the ML level, let alone the AL East.

  436. CB November 24th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    “That’s a risk but I’m not convinced that it is the greatest risk. ”

    I was working off the premise of the fixed budget closer to $180-190M as has been rumored.

    Under that premise then if they did sign CC and Tex then there would perhaps be no money for even bringing back Pettite.

    CC, Tex and Pettite will add around $60m. That would go over the $190 mark. So in that case they could only pick 2 of the three.

    “By the way, there is an alternative to Teixeira – getting Cameron from the Brewers. ”

    I agree and have posted about this numerous times.

    If Cameron is able to put up a +10 run over average at CF and Gardner does perform at replacement Cameron very well could be 30 runs better than Gardern in CF. That’s +3 wins. With defense call it +2.5.

    Tex is probably around 30 runs better than Swisher. More with his glove. Call him +3.5.

    I wrote this in my post before – by far the most cost-effective way to improve the offense would be to upgrade in CF. Even if you get a league average CF (gabe kapler) he might be +2 wins better than Gardner. An above average guy like Cameron would be up to +3.

  437. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Zack Mcallister, I’ve heard some say he may become “untouchable”. Is this true?

  438. CB November 24th, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    “I still like the Teixeira approach better as it is a long term fix at a crucial position.”

    One other reason why I like Tex’s value proposition more now.

    I think CF has to be upgraded.

    You add Cameron – that’s an $10M for this season.

    If you add Tex, and move Swisher to LF and Damon to CF (with damon rotating in CF with Gardner and Swisher to rest) that would be an additional +22M or so for 2010.

    So if you have decided to get Cameron if you can’t upgrade CF Tex might only be +12M for the 2010 season.

  439. Al from BK November 24th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    I think we should give CC a 7th year player option. That would really distance our offer from any other team. Thats also good for CC if he wants out in 6 years he can decline the option and go elsewhere.

  440. Wave Your Hat November 24th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    CB, I totally agree. If we go with two kids in addition to Joba, there’s a big risk the pitching could tank. That’s why I said before the Yanks won’t go that way.

    But I do think the offense has to be improved, and the downside risks on offense I mentioned in my last post are very real. That’s why I think the Yanks’ payroll in 2009 will end up being at least $200MM. I just can’t see how we can have a comfortable chance for the playoffs unless the payroll goes that high.

  441. Patrick November 24th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    “Zack Mcallister, I’ve heard some say he may become “untouchable”. Is this true? ”

    It depends who you talk to. He is a very good prospect but his ceiling is probably as a #3 or #2 starter in MLB. His stuff is good, not great but his control is excellent. He is a valuable prospect but I wouldn’t make him untouchable.

  442. Andrew (Official Scorer) November 24th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    And you base that on what, 60 innings pitched? His body language and overall “un-Yankee-like” attitude while failing? Some combination of your gut, your opinion, your instincts or some other intangible? His “soft-tosser” repertoire, which has apparently never before succeeded in the AL East?

    I would rather go with pretty much all scouts that have weighed in on his potential, personally, but hey you know what they say about opinions…

  443. CB November 24th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    “If we go with two kids in addition to Joba, there’s a big risk the pitching could tank. That’s why I said before the Yanks won’t go that way.”

    But this then precludes Tex if CC is signed (assuming budget is $190M).

    That seems to suggest they can’t afford CC and Tex unless they’re willing to go with a rotation of CC/ Wang/Joba and two question marks.

    So it looks like either you sign tex or take a huge downside risk on the pitching.

    I agree with the downside risk on the offense – but it’s not the same quantitatively or qualitatively compared to the downside risk of the pitching.

    I believe with the current line up and a staff of CC/WANG/AJ/Pettite/ Joba the teams pythagorean record projects to over 92 wins.

  444. jennifer November 24th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    Anyone know what the hot stove news is on Carl Pavano? I’m betting those coals are iced cold.

  445. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Thanks Patrick.

  446. YANKS IN 2010 November 24th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    CB your use of league average/replacement/above average assessments are a mindless waste of time

    Please stop….they completely ignore the random aspects of baseball and put players in on a spreadsheet

  447. CB November 24th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    “hat’s why I think the Yanks’ payroll in 2009 will end up being at least $200MM. ”

    Sorry missed that part of your post.

    I agree – given the needs I can’t see them having a hard budget down to $185-190, especially with money coming off the books next year.

    If they can go back to $200M then CC, Tex, Pettite would be the best way to allocate resources with journeyman/ Aceves in the 5th slot and Hughes perhaps ready in the second half.

    That would leave the bench pretty bare however.

  448. Patrick November 24th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    I think upgrading the pitching should be priority #1. I also don’t think Cashman is finished upgrading the offense. I too would love Cameron on the Yankees. I’m also thinking that RF is a possible spot for an upgrade. Nady is pretty good but if there are other RF options out there Cashman should consider making a trade. (Brian Giles?)

    How about this for a lineup: Damon LF, Jeter SS, Giles RF, Rodriguez 3B, Matsui DH, Posada C, Swisher 1B, Cano 2B, Cameron CF

    Trade for Wiggington and put Nady on the bench as the fourth OF/1B/DH.

    Obviously this is very unlikely to happen since the Yanks would have to make 3 pretty sizable trades (Wiggington, Giles, Cameron) but I think there are some opportunities out there to upgrade the offense without signing Tex.

    For pitching CC is a must-sign. After that I’d go after Burnett/Lowe/Sheets depending on who we can get for the best deal.

  449. mel November 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Al,

    A 7th year to any pitcher is crazy.

    If $140M isn’t enough to convince a guy to come to New York, nothing will.

  450. Wave Your Hat November 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    The nice thing about Cameron is that his contract ends when you’d expect Austin Jackson to show up.

    I also think that if you sign Teixeira, the net effect is to reduce Gardner’s innings. I don’t think Damon can be the everyday CF anymore, but between Damon, Nady and Swisher we ought to be able to cobble something together there for one year. After that, you give Jackson a shot.

    Jackson’s basically free, so you have some payroll flexibility replacing Damon and Matsui when their contracts expire.

  451. CB November 24th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    “your use of league average/replacement/above average assessments are a mindless waste of time”

    Mindless.. huh

    Don’t read what I write then if you think it’s mindless. Believe me it wouldn’t bother me at all one way or the other.

    Last time I checked I never gave you any proscriptive advice on what to post or how to understand the game.

    Just skip my posts from here on. Thanks.

  452. Al from BK November 24th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    No Brian Giles hes 38 and doesn’t wanna leave the west coast. He also has no power left, I can’t take 10 HR’s from a corner outfielder even a speed guy like Johnny Damon can provide more power than Giles at this point in his career.

  453. Patrick November 24th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    CB, I’m sick and tired of your logical and well-thought out posts. Statistics are for nerds and reason has no place in Baseball. Baseball is all about grits and guts and dirt and intangibles.

  454. YANKS IN 2010 November 24th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Mindless.. huh

    Don’t read what I write then if you think it’s mindless. Believe me it wouldn’t bother me at all one way or the other.

    Last time I checked I never gave you any proscriptive advice on what to post or how to understand the game.

    Just skip my posts from here on. Thanks.
    _________

    Sorry to come across as so harsh…I think I just took my hatred for sabermetrics out on you

    My bad

  455. Bronx Jeers November 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    IMO a 7th yr player option is a 7 yr contract.
    a 7th yr team option is a 6yr contract.

  456. Al from BK November 24th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    “Al,

    A 7th year to any pitcher is crazy.

    If $140M isn’t enough to convince a guy to come to New York, nothing will.”

    I agree. I just hope CC sees the money in front of him and realizes that not one of his beloved west coast teams has even given him an offer and its been 10 days.

  457. CB November 24th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    “Sorry to come across as so harsh…I think I just took my hatred for sabermetrics out on you”

    Honestly you came across as a jerk.

    I have never insulted you or posted anything negative about what you’ve written.

    I try very hard not to write derogatory postings about what others have written.

    So from here on out please don’t read anything I have to say, don’t respond to what I write and I will make sure to do the same with you.

    Thanks.

  458. Patrick November 24th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Giles might not be obtainable because he has a pretty team-friendly contract but he’s still a very good player. He has a limited NTC so its not totally up to him where he goes.

    You wouldn’t want one of the best fielding RF’s in the league with an .850 OPS on the Yankees? I think you’ve spent too much time cooking whoppers, the fumes are going to your head.

  459. YANKS IN 2010 November 24th, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    CB, I’m sick and tired of your logical and well-thought out posts. Statistics are for nerds and reason has no place in Baseball. Baseball is all about grits and guts and dirt and intangibles
    ______________

    I was referring more to the randomness of baseball…(i.e. injuries, down seasons, DUI’s, divorces, and everything else that affects a players performance) and how they affect the course of a season

  460. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    I do agree Patrick that Giles would be a nice 1 year option in RF.

    He’d be the perfect replacement for Abreu. He has a .891 .OPS away last year.

  461. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Giles has 5 and 10 rights, or am I wrong…

  462. Patrick November 24th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    So YANKS you have a problem with statistical analysis in general? Everything in this world has an element of randomness to it. That doesn’t mean statistics are invalid.

  463. CB November 24th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    “I’m also thinking that RF is a possible spot for an upgrade. ”

    Nady is probably around a league average RF and signed to a reasonable deal.

    Giles would be a significant upgrade. But given the yankees tremendous needs in the rotation and CF don’t underestimate Nady as an asset.

    The yanks are ok with league average players in a number of spots. But what really would kill them is if they start getting performances much lower than average in CF (gardner is bad), 2b (cano continues to stink), and C (posada gets hurt).

    Instead of upgrading RF or even 1b a compelling argument exists to improve the bench a lot.

  464. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    CB, who would you have in mind for the bench?

  465. EDUB November 24th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Would a Wigginton for Veras trade work? I saw some people mentioning that. I don’t know why the Yankees wouldn’t be all over that

  466. Patrick November 24th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    I have no problem with Nady as the starting RF. But if you want to look at every position on the Yankees and point out possible upgrades, RF has to be included.

    I still think pitching is the #1 priority this offseason but defense and offense have to be looked at too. Getting a guy like Giles (which is still a remote possibility) would really help the team.

    I don’t think Teixeira is a possibility, he is simply too expensive if the Yanks also get CC. In the likely scenario that Tex isn’t signed I think Cashman has to look in other areas to improve the offense. I agree about the bench, a good bench could really help the team.

    By the way Tom I think you are right about Giles being 5 & 10 which means he can block any trade right?

  467. CB November 24th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    “who would you have in mind for the bench?”

    It just depends on what the budget looks like and how you want to use your resources.

    Right now, if its true that Ty Wigginton is available due to salary issues in Houston then he would be absolutely fantastic.

    Being able to hit the ball while not playing everyday is a real, tangible skill that not many players have.

    Wigginton does. On top of that he plays 3b,1b,2b and LF.

    He would be a fantastic pick up because he’s almost a one person bench.

    Molina, Wigginton, Gardner and another player would be a very strong bench.

    He’d be the guy to get. But he’s expensive for the bench. I think he’s making $5M.

    Burnett + Wigginton = Tex, in terms of salary for 2010. Which do you pick?

    That’s the kind of decision all GM’s have to make.

  468. Wave Your Hat November 24th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    “Instead of upgrading RF or even 1b a compelling argument exists to improve the bench a lot.”

    So true.

    I seem to recall the Yanks playing at times without any backup outfielder last year, and at other times without any backup infielder.

    For comparison, take a look at the Red Sox. They had four bona fide outfielders, and Sean Casey backing up Ortiz, and the depth helped them survive injuries.

    Teixeira does help in that regard. If we signed him, then we’d at least have Damon, Swisher, Nady Matsui and Gardner to play in the outfield.

    Of course, the Yanks are always an injury to Posada, ARod or Jeter away from oblivion.

  469. Al from BK November 24th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    “You wouldn’t want one of the best fielding RF’s in the league with an .850 OPS on the Yankees? I think you’ve spent too much time cooking whoppers, the fumes are going to your head.”

    If I am gonna have a nearly 40 year old outfielder on the Yanks next year it might as well be Manny with his .1000 OPS and 45 HR’s. Giles is old, slow and tremendously overrated lets just stay away from 30 somethings in the outfield.

  470. Patrick November 24th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    This is how I’d rank the weaknesses of the team starting with the worst.

    Starting pitching
    CF
    Bench
    1B
    RF

    The first 3 definitely have to be addressed. 1B and RF are fine how they are but I could see Cashman addressing both spots before the offseason is over.

  471. CB November 24th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    “I don’t think Teixeira is a possibility, he is simply too expensive if the Yanks also get CC.”

    Without Tex I agree that you have to look at every spot on the field to upgrade.

    But you have to start with CF in that case, IMO.

    Again, Giles would be a nice fit and he’s going to get dumped.

    He is a 10/5 guy (that’s why he turned down the trade to the sox last season – to secure those rights) so he has complete control.

    But given what’s happening in SD he may agree to a trade.

    I’d try to get him if I were the Angels or Dodgers.

  472. Tim Clougher November 24th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Patrick:

    On a previous post, I had seen Giles didn’t want to play in NY, Boston..etc

    But I read last week he is open to a trade, he didn’t name teams, but he is open to it, that would be a huge pick-up if we could obtain him.

  473. Patrick November 24th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    “Giles is old, slow and tremendously overrated lets just stay away from 30 somethings in the outfield.”

    And yet he’s still one of the best fielding RF’s in either league. If anything he’s underrated.

    You’d rather spend $75 million on Manny for 3 years compared to Giles for 1 year @ $9 million?

  474. CB November 24th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    “Starting pitching
    CF
    Bench
    1B
    RF”

    I agree. I think in terms of weaknesses right now that’s the order.

    That said, just ranking them in order from 1-5 misses the proportionate impact of each of those needs and the potential upgrades given what’s available.

    For example, if you could get a Wigginton, upgrading the bench becomes much more compelling compared to upgrading CF is all you could do was sign Gabe Kapler or something like that.

    But I think you’re exactly right in your assessment.

  475. Patrick November 24th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    “But you have to start with CF in that case, IMO.”

    Agreed..

  476. Wave Your Hat November 24th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    “He’d be the guy to get. But he’s expensive for the bench. I think he’s making $5M.”

    That’s why I thought the signing of Marte was unwise.

    The Yanks are evidently up against some payroll ceiling. I don’t know what it is, but it is forcing tradeoffs in filling our holes.

    I thought our bullpen was the least vulnerable spot lost year. I admit that having a solid lefty reliever is an asset, but I think it would have been better to spend the $$ on a bench player (like Wiggington) who could fill in in the event of injury or poor performance.

    On the Giles front, he’d be a valuable get, but I seem to remember he took a below market contract to play in San Diego, and that he wasn’t a big fan of the northeast. Is that correct?

  477. YANKS IN 2010 November 24th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    So YANKS you have a problem with statistical analysis in general? Everything in this world has an element of randomness to it. That doesn’t mean statistics are invalid.
    _____________

    No of course not…I just don’t think everything can be reduced to statistics

    If you are comparing Cameron to Garnder its pretty difficult to discern what impact they will have on the team, in terms of wins and losses…

    Just as examples…

    Garnder’s success/value will depend on whether or not he improves at the plate…how do you measure that?

    Cameron’s success/value will depend upon whether he can maintain his defensive range/effectiveness..which will depend upon how Damon and Nady play along side of him…how do you measure that?

  478. Patrick November 24th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Yeah that was kind of my point CB. Using your sentence..

    “For example, if you could get a Giles, upgrading RF becomes much more compelling compared to upgrading CF if all you could do was sign Gabe Kapler or something like that.”

    I don’t know, we’ll see. Cashman will have plenty of time to look at every position. I’m just hopeful that those first 3 are fixed before March.

  479. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    “its true that Ty Wigginton is available due to salary issues in Houston then he would be absolutely fantastic”

    I agree. He’d be a great bench guy. I have always wanted Russell Branyan. I know he’s flawed-low , cant’ hit LHP, but, the dude kills RHP-.826 career OPS vs them. He can play 3b/1b/RF too, albeit not as well as Wiggington.

  480. Andrew (Official Scorer) November 24th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    I think Giles would hit for more power going from PETCO to the short porch in RF in the Bronx. Granted, I don’t know how much he wants to do with NY considering he seems pretty laid-back and refused the trade to Boston, but considering A) Towers and Cashman are bros to the max and B) he would be an upgrade over Nady and would be around for the same time, I think it makes a lot of sense in theory, as the Yankees wouldn’t get held ransom for him and he would provide as much if not more than the X man. Will it actually happen? Probably not, but for The Whopper Man to write it off completely means it’s probably a good idea.

  481. Al from BK November 24th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    “You’d rather spend $75 million on Manny for 3 years compared to Giles for 1 year @ $9 million?”

    I dont want either of them. If I had to choose I’d pick Manny in a heartbeat however this team needs to get younger Manny and Giles go against that logic.

  482. CB November 24th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    “Of course, the Yanks are always an injury to Posada, ARod or Jeter away from oblivion.”

    The key to the yankee dynasty in the 1990′s in terms of offense were two interlinked factors:

    1. Ridiculous strength up the middle at premium positions – SS, Catcher, CF. Few teams could compete with the differential advantage Jeter, Bernie and Posada provided.

    2. Health. All of those player were remarkably durable.

    The problem of building a team that depends on up the middle players is the risk of injury.

    There is just absolutely no way to replace them from the bench. Such players are so rare to begin with that there’s no way to make up for their loss.

    If your offense is built around Hanley Ramirez and he goes down then you are done. It’s not like you could find anyone remotely comparable on the trade market. Pujols goes down and you can’t make up for him – but you can at least trade for an Adam Dunn/ 1b slugger type to control the damage.

    You can create very strong teams by building up the middle. But depending on up the middle player to provide offense is very risky. There’s no way to make up for the loss whether its injury or slump.

    That’s what happenned last year.

  483. Gary November 24th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    It seems that many would like to see Ty Wigginton as a solid utility man for the Yankees.
    I’d wave Ian Kennedy at Houston and see if they bite.

    http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=294

  484. Yankee Trader November 24th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    “If your offense is built around Hanley Ramirez and he goes down then you are done. It’s not like you could find anyone remotely comparable on the trade market. Pujols goes down and you can’t make up for him – but you can at least trade for an Adam Dunn/ 1b slugger type to control the damage.”

    Speaking of Adam Dunn, I don’t see any interest in this walk, strikeout, 45-50 Yankee stadium homer guy! If there was any remote possibility to trade Matsui now-Mariners?-then Adam Dunn could be a good young viable, non Boras client to DH, rather than waiting or hoping for Teixeira and/or Manny to fill the offensive loss of Abreu/Giambi.

    Thoughts??

  485. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes November 24th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Gary,

    I’d wave IPK at anyone willing to take him for a reasonable return.

    Wiggington would be reasonable.

  486. Russell NY November 24th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    “But your proposed team is going to cost $200MM, not $190MM. And that’s not improving the bench (except to the extent that signing Teixeira gives you five real outfielders).”

    Who are the 5? Matsui can’t play OF respectively anymore, Abreu isn’t getting resigned, and Melky sucks to the point of throwing up when he is in the lineup. We have Gardner, Damon, Nady, and Swisher. With Tex, the Yanks move Swisher to left, Damon to Center, and Nady in right. Gardner as a backup, spelling tired guys.

    That being said, I can’t see the Yanks signing 2 high-priced guys. And we need CC. However, I could see them trading for Peavy (bye Cano?), signing Sheets, Tex, and Hudson.

    Peavy, Wang, Sheets, Pettitte, Joba
    Damon, Jeter, Tex, ARod, Matsui, Posada, Nady, Hudson, Swisher

    Though signing Tex seems unlikely being Swisher makes perfect sense at first with Posada playing there on some days – giving us Posada’s production in the lineup almost every day.

  487. Tom November 24th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Edgar Renteria to the giants

  488. Fredo Corleone November 24th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    “2. Health. All of those player were remarkably durable.”

    Not so much for Bernie. Particularly in his prime years as from age 27-31, he only played 145 games once. May have cost him some monster seasons too. Missed a month plus in 1997 and still put 21 homers, 100 rbi and 100+ runs. Missed a month again in 1998 and still posted 26, 97 and 101 runs. Missed 20+ games in 2000 and went for 30, 121 and 108 runs.

    The man was a stud for awhile there and for my money the Yankees’ best player during the championship years. But he was prone to being dinged up a bit from time to time.

  489. Yankee Trader November 24th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    Renteria to the Giants for 2 years 18M. Where will Furcal and his gun for an arm go? Let him switch positions and play CF for us!!!!

  490. Yankee Trader November 24th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    The more I read about Burnett’s and Sheets past injuries, the more I feel Sheets is a far better investment than Burnett, IF you can sign him to a 2-3 year contract coming off a muscle tear near his elbow, if MRI proves his arm healthy.

  491. LathamJoe November 24th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    “You’d rather spend $75 million on Manny for 3 years compared to Giles for 1 year @ $9 million?”

    Absolutely! Ramirez, for all his emotional baggage, is the best clutch hitter in MLB and an absolute difference maker to any lineup. Can you imagine batting him 4th behind ARod?

    Its not like the Yankees don’t have a ton of hitting – they have lacked Hitting w/ RISP in recent years.

    Plug Ramirez into that lineup and watch the improvement in BA with RISP and consistency in scoring Runs.

    The need for improving their Hitting w/RISP ranks right up there with improving the Starting Staff.

  492. CB November 24th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    “Not so much for Bernie. Particularly in his prime years as from age 27-31, he only played 145 games once. ”

    True Bernie was always missing games with various injuries that nicked him up.

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