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All quiet on the hot stove front for now

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Nov 27, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Other than a lot of speculation, there wasn’t much news on the hot stove front on Wednesday, Many teams (including the Yankees) and agents were not doing any business. That will be the case today and probably through the weekend.

Like you, these folks have family gatherings and other things to do. And it’s not like the season starts next week despite the way some people seem to think.

Speaking of which, here’s hoping you have a Happy Thanksgiving. Travel safely and enjoy the time with your family and friends. The blog will be be here when you get back.

 
 

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111 Responses to “All quiet on the hot stove front for now”

  1. Vikram November 27th, 2008 at 12:06 am

    You know C.C. is ready for a big Thanksgiving dinner.

  2. SamVa November 27th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    Happy Turkey Day Pete!
    Thanks for being so faithful to us and bringing us up to date with the news all of the time..
    I feel as if you don’t get the credit you deserve!

  3. YankeesLuv November 27th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    Happy Thanksgiving Pete!
    Happy Thanksgiving all!
    God bless everyone, stay safe. :)

  4. Jake November 27th, 2008 at 12:08 am

    Happy Thanksgiving Peter.

    Happy Turkey Day to the Yankee Universe.

  5. i am the walrus November 27th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Happy Thanksgiving Pete. Thanks for all your work here at LoHud on the Blog.

  6. WangFan88 November 27th, 2008 at 12:43 am

    I’m thankful for family, friends, health, and the fact that Pete Abraham updates his Yankees blog every freakin’ day even when he’s on vacation. Keep up the good work Pete — this is my one stop for Yankee news and it’s really all I need.

  7. WangFan88 November 27th, 2008 at 12:44 am

    Have a good holiday Pete and thanks for updating this blog as much as you do… even when you’re on vacation!

  8. Dara November 27th, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

  9. jennifer November 27th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Happy Turkey day everyone.

  10. Bx22 November 27th, 2008 at 12:59 am

    Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

  11. trisha - Mike Mussina just dropped out of my 2009 starting rotation. CC will opt to be a Yankee. November 27th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Happy Thanksgiving all, and a special Happy Thanksgiving to George M. Steinbrenner, without whom we would not have had the wonderful Yankee championship teams or 13 straight postseasons. I truly hope he has a joyful day.

  12. James 3D November 27th, 2008 at 1:14 am

    Cashman should be having Thanksgiving dinner WITH CC like Theo did with Schilling in 04.

    Every bit of recruitment counts.

  13. Pepitone's Hairdryer November 27th, 2008 at 1:44 am

    Happy Thanksgiving, Pete…

    If nothing else, after the bird, stuffin’, pie, etc., you owe yourself a quiet moment — alone — in the backyard with just a brandy and cigar, and let it soak in that Pats-lovin’ noggin of yours that you have stewarded one helluva online resource, maybe the best ever, for die-hard Yankees fans.

    You’re a pro. Thanks for what you do, and enjoy the day!

  14. dave November 27th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    its not likely any of the free agents said they would decide by thanksgiving … Oh wait a minute YES IT IS!!!!

    Im glad CC didnt want to drag things out because I guess if he did, it would take until February for him to talk to the team that offered him the highest pitching contract in the history of the MLB.

    I understand the theory that he is waiting for other teams on the west to offer him a contract and the idea that no player would jump at the first offer but does that mean he cant even speak to the yanks? That to me send a terrible message to the organization that is willing to pay u 140 million for your services. Imagine if another company offered you a better salary than you could dream and you didnt even call them back for a couple of weeks. Doesnt that just rub people the wrong way?

  15. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2008 at 3:38 am

    dave
    November 27th, 2008 at 2:51 am
    its not likely any of the free agents said they would decide by thanksgiving … Oh wait a minute YES IT IS!!!!

    Im glad CC didnt want to drag things out because I guess if he did, it would take until February for him to talk to the team that offered him the highest pitching contract in the history of the MLB.

    ***Doesnt that just rub people the wrong way?***

    ———————————————————

    Not as much as your constant whning and complaining about everything does.

  16. EricNS November 27th, 2008 at 7:36 am

    Happy Thanksgiving Peter and to all my fellow blog readers!

  17. Steve November 27th, 2008 at 7:42 am

    We do not know if CC (through agent) has not had conversations with Yanks. Everyone needs to relax. CC’s agent is looking to get more teams into bidding, which to date is only the Yanks, Brewers and perhaps the Angels if Moreno decides to go for CC over TEx. It is fairly obvious that Brewers are not in it and that probably no other team can top Yanks offer. Angels really want Tex more than CC so I am somewhat skeptical about their play for CC. Moreno may make CC an offer but I doubt it will exceed Yanks offer. Angels hope is that geographic preference (west coast) offsets Yanks higher money offer and that CC accepts being on west coast at a slight discount over getting more money to play in the bright lights of NYC and a new Yankee stadium. Yanks can easily push their offer up a bit to eliminate that issue and lets not forget how much more CC can earn in endorsements if he is in the media capital of the world.

    It does not look to me that Giants or Dodgers will ge into CC sweepstakes. If Angels land CC then we should turn around and make play for Tex and go all out for AJ and Lowe.

    I do think we are a little shy on offense and while Tex is not an absolute must if we bolster our rotation with a true ace like CC and solid guys like Burnett and Lowe, a hitter of his caliber becomes a necessity if we do not get CC and lose out on either Burnett or Lowe.

    As for Pettite, I think he does not deserve $16 M given last season. I like Pettite but lets face facts, he had a terrrible season that does not warrant $16M. Arbitration may not be an option for Yanks since it is likely he would get $16M given the way the arbitration process works. Pettite would likely accept arbitration so Yanks cannot use arbtitration with hope that PEttite will decline and Yanks can then get two compensation picks if they cannot re-sign Andy. I really question whether Dodgers would want to pay $16 M for a pitcher who has a cranky shoulder and is coming off what was a fairly disappointing season. I think Andy is probably a 13-15 win pitcher at this stage of his career on a good team and would probably lose 11-13 games as well. His ERA will probably be 4.50 + in AL and would likely not be much lower in NL. Perhaps Yanks can offer a base salary of $13 M with some incentives if Andy has a good season and stays healthy.

    Things will begin to move once GM meetings get started in two weeks. Keep the faith!

  18. RonH November 27th, 2008 at 7:57 am

    A happy, healthy and safe holiday to Pete and everyone. Enjoy your time with family and friends!

  19. bru November 27th, 2008 at 8:40 am

    happy thanksgiving pete & to everyone else.

    have a safe and happy holliday.

  20. bru November 27th, 2008 at 8:51 am

    pettitte’s 200 innings will be missed a lot more than you think they will.

    we will have our starting 5 but right now we have wang & joba.that is very scary considering that if cc does not sign we are in a bad situation.

    what about signing pettitte,lowe & tex,trade nady/swisher,kennedy & prospects for another pitcher,move swish to rf if nady goes.

    if we can get a good young pitcher for nady/swisher,kennedy & any prospect except brackman,ajax,montero.

  21. bru November 27th, 2008 at 9:02 am

    i refuse to twist & turn with every rumor.i am waiting for st & opening day,everything in the middle means nothing to me.

    i would be ok with the yankees opening the season with what they have now,waiting for the right fa or trade as long as they don’t sign the wrong player for too many years.

    i still think they made a huge mistake trading tabata,karsens,olendorf & whoever else was involved in that trade.

    tabata should have been used for a good young pitcher.

  22. Squints November 27th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    “pettitte’s 200 innings will be missed a lot more than you think they will.”

    Not if they’re like the second half of last year. If the Yankees sign two FA pitchers, Pettitte will not be necessary.

  23. 86w183 November 27th, 2008 at 9:24 am

    First Happy Thanksigiving to Pete and family. This blog is my favorite way to stay in touch with the Yanks from aobut 1,000 miles away and I appreciate it.

    I also appreciate all of you for your thoughts, views, hopes and desires. whether we joust over things or agree it’s still great to be able to exchange ideas. I wish you all a great Holiday season.

    I’m not concerned aobut any aspect of the post-season so far. the Yanks made two positive moves that dwarf what any of our rivals have done to this point. None of the options is off the board yet. I suspect al hell will break lose in the next ten days.

    Pettite should get $ 12 guaranteed with reachable incentives. He did not have a terrible season. He had a poor finish to an excellent season, probably because he pitched through issues when he really needed a stint on the DL. I still don’t want Lowe!

  24. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    Squints
    November 27th, 2008 at 9:18 am
    “pettitte’s 200 innings will be missed a lot more than you think they will.”

    Not if they’re like the second half of last year. If the Yankees sign two FA pitchers, Pettitte will not be necessary.

    ———————————————————–

    Except for the fact that they will still be one and a half starters short, unless they repeat last year’s mistake and use two inexperienced pitchers, neither of which will pitch over 150 innings.

  25. trisha - Mike Mussina just dropped out of my 2009 starting rotation. CC will opt to be a Yankee. November 27th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    Okay, for just a minute, pretend you are CC. Visualize what his priorities have to be right now. What is the biggest eating holiday of the year? His head SURELY has been totally consumed with thoughts of 25 lb. drumsticks and endless pumpkin pie. Once he gets past today, I’m sure he’ll get back to thinking about baseball!

    :lol:

  26. Steve November 27th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    As of today our rotation is Wang, Joba, Hughes, Aceves and maybe Kennedy. That is not good. We need to get an impact pitcher — like CC. If we had CC-Wang and Joba as our front 3 then we can look at Lowe or Burnett and perhaps look at a lower level free agent or trade front if Pettite is not resigned. I like Aceves in BP as long relief and spot starter. I might be inclined to let Hughes start spring training fighting for a job rather than hand him a #4 or #5 slot. Same with Kennedy. I think competition will do wonders for these guys.

  27. trisha - Mike Mussina just dropped out of my 2009 starting rotation. CC will opt to be a Yankee. November 27th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    OT, but I want to remind everyone who is happy and reasonable comfortable today that we may not actually be in the majority. With what has happened in our country, there are a lot of people who will not be celebrating at all, whether it be because there won’t be a festive dinner for them or because they are consumed with worry. Even a smile at a stranger today might make a difference in someone’s life. How lucky we are to be able to chat about Yankee baseball. There aren’t enough ways for me to count my blessings!

  28. Beanietown November 27th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    Happy Thanksgiving to Yankee fans across America.

    Blosox fans can go to the devil. Here’s something for you Blosox to think about today as you drink yourselves into a pants wetting fog.

    The Blosox have had six of their players win the Rookie of the Year Award -

    The first player…Walt Dropo, lasted three seasons (1950 – 1952) before they dumped him…he played for another 9 seasons with four other teams (Tigers, White Sox, Reds and Orioles).

    The second player…Don Schwall, lasted two seasons (1961 – 1962) before they dumped him…he played for another 5 years with two other teams (Pirates and Braves).

    The third player…Carlton Fisk, lasted ten seasons (1969, 1971 – 1980) before dumping him…he played for another 13 seasons with the Chicago White Sox.

    The fourth player…Fred Lynn lasted seven seasons (1974 – 1980) before they dumped him…he played for another 10 seasons with four other teams (Angels, Orioles, Tigers and Padres).

    The fifth player…Nomar Garciaparra lasted just over 8 seasons (1996 – 2004) before they dumped him…he is currently active having played for the Cubs and the Dodgers so far.

    The sixth player…Justin Pedroia is the latest sacrificial lamb…he is definitely not at the level of Nomar nor Lynn and Fisk…the other guys, who knows?

    I doubt he will end his career with the Blosox.

    Let’s go Yankees!

  29. Jerry from Queens November 27th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Happy Thanksgiving to All Yankee Fans.

  30. Drive 4-5 November 27th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    Happy Thanksgiving to all. My family & I have a lot of very important things in life to be thankful for. But this blog & Pete’s work is high on the list of the list of the fun aspects I’m personally thankful for. Believe it or not (and sometimes I have to remind myself too) Yankee baseball aint life & death, just close to it:)

    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone and especially the family of Yankee fans everywhere!

  31. bru November 27th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    Squints
    November 27th, 2008 at 9:18 am
    “pettitte’s 200 innings will be missed a lot more than you think they will.”

    Not if they’re like the second half of last year. If the Yankees sign two FA pitchers, Pettitte will not be necessary.

    ————————————————————

    i have a feeling that that statement is going to come back & haunt you.

    if we sign sheets & burnett we have 4 pitchers & one or two that could both miss the whole year.

    you never know what you got til it’s gone.

    maybe if we sign cc & lowe/perez i would agree with you but i don’t see cashman making the right moves.

    he should take advise from his friend theo.

  32. Viper November 27th, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Bru is exactly right about Pettitte and there are way too many Yankee fans who don’t appreciate what he brings to this team.

    And his 200 IP is near the top of the list – especially when you consider the younger options like Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy will all have an innings cap on them.

    The way I see it, Pettitte took one for the team in the second half because he probably should have miss a start or two with his shoulder issues and rest up.

    But he didn’t do that because of both Wang and Joba missing so much significant time and they needed someone to throw some innings.

    I guarantee the Yanks and their fans will miss Pettitte terribly next season if they don’t get him back.

    200 IP might be the most undervalued and underappreciated stat in baseball and people don’t realize it’s value until a workhorse like Wang misses the majority of the season and they have nobody to fill his vacated slot.

  33. Lampchop Louie November 27th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    To all Yankee fans a Happy Thanksgiving.
    Given a choice, I’d raher have 2 Nathan’s hot dogs and have Sabathia and Teixeira in the fold than a turkey with all the fixings.

  34. RhapsodyInBlue November 27th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Happy Thankgiving to all.

    CC prepares the bird.

    http://bacontoday.com/turbacon.....-in-bacon/

  35. bru November 27th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    if the yankees replace pettitte’s innings with lowe.perez or some other pitcher that is never on the dl then ok but sheets & burnett have shown that they can’t stay healthy & would be a huge risk & bad investment unless they are cheap wich they will not be.

    these players have turned having a good year to get a contract into an art form.

    something needs to be said about a pitcher who gives you 200 innings every year & takes the hill every 5th day & pettitte,lowe,perez & others have my respect.

    we need an ace & pitchers that give us a chance to win.look at the phillies they had on great pitcher and ran away with it this year.

    the yankees need to replicate this with a good balanceds team.

    right now they need an ace,2 solid pitchers and better production in cf.

    if gardner & melky can’t produce the yankees will struggle,yes we can take a gamble but i would rather have a more established centerfielder for balance purposes,somebody like chris young,mclouth,etc……

    melky,gardner,hughes should not be given a spot unless they earn it & they have not yet,not even close.

  36. Joe from Long Island November 27th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    Just checking in before the family, dinner prep and football starts….

    Happy Thanksgiving, Pete, and to everyone on the blog. Prayers to everyone who is in need today.

  37. YankeeRay November 27th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    James 3D
    November 27th, 2008 at 1:14 am
    Cashman should be having Thanksgiving dinner WITH CC like Theo did with Schilling in 04.

    Every bit of recruitment counts.

    - Imagine Cash spending Thanksgiving day at the Sabathias house? With that vivacious personality of his, that would be the end of CC to NY.
    Personally I don’t want CC. 25 mill plus would be a problem with the rest of the staff for years to come especially if he doesn’t consistently put up 78 Guidry type numbers.
    Give me Sheets and Burnett/Perez along with Tex and 1 more bat(Manny?)and we will be fine.
    Next year AJ replaces Damon and now we have a staff and some young legs in the OF. Our infield will be set for a few years.
    Happy Thanks to all

  38. Fran November 27th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Happy Thanksgiving to Pete and all of my fellow Lo-Hud bloggers.

  39. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers November 27th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Happy Thanksgiving to you Peter and to everyone that posts here!

    I wonder if CC and family are having some Turducken today? :P

  40. YankeeRay November 27th, 2008 at 10:30 am

    Sheets – 15 mill 3yrs
    Perez – 10 mill 4yrs
    Tex – 22 mill 8yrs
    Manny – 20 mill 4yrs
    Pettite – 15 mill 1yr – Hughes next year or injury replacement this year

    Thats 82 mill replacing the 88 that came off the books. Factor in Swishers contract and Martes resign and we are back where we started. New stadium = more money.
    Trade Matsui for a prospect.
    These moves put us back in contention.

  41. Beanietown November 27th, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Happy Thanksgiving to all Yankee fans across America.

    This just in: Red Sox fans now calling for a salary cap in mlb.

    Here is a recent rant:
    Please, please, please…we are running out of money.
    We pay $50 million for the exclusive rights to negotiate with Matsuzaka.
    We break a decades-old informal agreement between the Major Leagues and the Japanese leagues not to pilfer amateur players from each other’s country.
    We take Doug Mientkiewicz to court over a silly baseball.
    We pig out on baseball’s verision of affirmative action – the WILD CARD and are will be going for our 7th postseason appearance aided by the wild card in 2009. The most in baseball.
    And now our revenue stream is stagnant and we will be crying for a salary cap…boo hoo!

    You whining RSN idiots are the most pathetic self-serving beasts on the face of the earth.

    Let’s go Yankees!

  42. Blackdragon905 November 27th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    Yanks to raise CC offer?

    Ken Davidoff wrote yesterday:

    According to a person in the Yankees’ loop, the team is reluctant to raise its offer to C.C. Sabathia, even if such hesitancy causes him to sign with the Angels.

    Something has changed in the last 24 hours, because Davidoff now writes:

    The majority of their decision-makers support the idea of going higher for the coveted lefthander, a person familiar with the situation said yesterday.

    Davidoff wonders if the Yankees might go to $150MM over six years if the Angels offer $130MM over six. It doesn’t appear that the Angels have made an offer yet. Sabathia’s agent Greg Genske is apparently shutting things down for the weekend.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....a-r-2.html

  43. bru November 27th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    oakland needs a fb. why not trade swisher to them for a pitcher,sign tex,cc,lowe & trade for a cf ?

    payroll would not be as embarrassing.
    rotation of

    cc
    wang
    Duchscherer, Justin? (would be nice)
    lowe
    joba

    lineup

    damon
    jeter
    tex
    arod
    matsui
    nady
    posada
    cano
    cf(young,mclouth,etc.,..?)

  44. Viper November 27th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Forget Manny and Teixeira. I guess people have forgotten that it’s pitching and defense that wins.

    It’s the primary reason why the Rays went from worst to first in the toughest division in baseball.

    Manny doesn’t exactly fit that criteria. And Cashman won’t want anything to do with him anyways.

    Hopefully, they can land Sabathia and Pettitte will come back. Those are 400 IP+ that are extremely valuable to a championship caliber.

    Oliver Perez?

    Puh-leez. Why? Because he’s left handed? Throws hard? Pitches well against the Yanks?

    So what.

    The guy needs a GPS unit to find home plate. He gives up way too many base runners and would get hammered in the AL East.

    And the Yanks have made it clear that they want to lower the payroll. If you think they are going to spend every dime coming off the books, you’re going to be very disappointed.

  45. bru November 27th, 2008 at 10:49 am

    the yankees should not top their own offer unless the angels get very close.

    when does it end? we have the only offer & it is the highest offer for a pitcher ever.i would not go one penny higher unless it is close or beaten.

  46. bru November 27th, 2008 at 10:56 am

    YankeeRay
    November 27th, 2008 at 10:30 am
    Sheets – 15 mill 3yrs
    Perez – 10 mill 4yrs
    Tex – 22 mill 8yrs
    Manny – 20 mill 4yrs
    Pettite – 15 mill 1yr – Hughes next year or injury replacement this year

    Thats 82 mill replacing the 88 that came off the books. Factor in Swishers contract and Martes resign and we are back where we started. New stadium = more money.
    Trade Matsui for a prospect.
    These moves put us back in contention.

    ————————————————————

    don’t forget the arbitration raises.i don’t know exactly who but i believe it is bruney,wang & more.

    you have to figure at least 5-10 million in raises.

    manny is too much.

    tex & one of lowe/pettitte/perez & maybe try to trade swisher to the a’s for a pitcher,they need a fb or trade for another pitcher elsewhere ???

  47. pat November 27th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    The turkey is in the oven, pies are cooked and moving on to the rest of dinner for 22 now (what was I thinking!) but wanted to wish you and yours a Happy Thanksgiving during a break in the action.

    I’m thankful for this blog where I get to play out my Yankee obsession with people just as crazed as I am so I don’t make the people in my everyday life insane. Thanks Pete.

  48. j-man November 27th, 2008 at 11:11 am

    Matsui plus minor prospects for Erik Bedard. Bedard had a great year 2 years ago, and we couldn’t beat him. A Plan B if we lose out on CC or just another compliment. A guy like Dunn could fill in at DH.

  49. bru November 27th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    viper,i agree but offense is why the rays & angels didn’t go farther.

    the phillies on paper had a bad pitching staff outside of hammels in wich he stepped up.

    the yankees are also a terrible defensive team at almost every position.

    tex at first base gives them a bat and upgrades the defense tremendously & makes everybody else better.

    i’ll give you perez but at least he always takes the ball.

    nobody knows if signing tex,cc,sheets,burnett,etc will work in the yankees favor but what do they do ??

    they need pitching and that costs money unless you produce you’re own players.

    do we sit pat & go with what we have right now & forget signing anyone except one pitcher like pettitte or lowe.

    right now we are sitting at just under 124 million dollars

    1. Alex Rodriguez 28,000,000
    2. Derek Jeter 21,600,000
    3. Mariano Rivera 15,000,000
    4. Jorge Posada 13,100,000
    5 a. Johnny Damon 13,000,000
    5 b. Hideki Matsui 13,000,000
    7. Chien-Ming Wang 4,000,000
    8. Nick Swisher 3,600,000
    9. Xavier Nady 3,350,000
    10. Robinson Cano 3,000,000
    11. Damaso Marte 2,150,000
    12. Jose Molina 1,875,000
    13. Brian Bruney 725,000
    14. Melky Cabrera 461,200
    15. Phil Hughes 406,350
    16. Shelley Duncan 398,300
    17. Ian Kennedy 394,275
    18. Jonathan Albaladejo 393,225
    19 a. Humberto Sanchez 390,000
    19 b. Joba Chamberlain 390,000

  50. bru November 27th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    i have a huge problem with jeter making 21.6 million a year.

    from 7 down they got much better with contracts but the top 5 ???

  51. Chris Barrows November 27th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone. No baseball talk today, just turkey and football for me, but everyone have a great day.

  52. j-man November 27th, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Matsui, Kennedy, prospects for Bedard and Ibanez. Ibanez can DH, play occasional LF, and bat third. Plus he doesn’t cost draft picks.

  53. j-man November 27th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Jeter earns every cent of his. NO mas about Jeter’s contract. Sign him to an extension for life.

  54. Patrick November 27th, 2008 at 11:23 am

    bru,

    A lot of your numbers there are wrong. A-rod is making $32 million in 2009 and Cano is making $6 million. You also have to account for raises to Wang, Nady, Bruney, Cabrera, Hughes, Duncan, Kennedy, Albaladejo, Sanchez and Chamberlain. Finally, you must include the entire 40 man roster for the overall payroll.

  55. bru November 27th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Patrick :

    thanks i just looked through the numbers and see that now.also swish and marte make more than listed.

  56. bru November 27th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    i still think jeter is way overpaid,21.6 million????

    anybody can put up his numbers.

  57. joeman November 27th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    if CC dosen’t sign on the Yankees will need to move on Burnett,Lowe and O Perez…trade for Wiggy and a centerfield (who can play D)…I would really try to move Matsui( hurt the last two years)

  58. Tom November 27th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    The Yankees probably have 40 million dollars to spend. If they truely are committed to start the season at 180-190 million.

    Not including Wang, Nady, ect., they already have about 125 million commited in contracts. throw in Wang at about six and Nady at about 5 million next season, plus roughly another, lets say, 5 on all the 1-3 year players and the Yankees payroll and it stands at about 140-141 million.

  59. Bill from Ionia, NY November 27th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    MAY YOUR STUFFING BE TASTY, MAY YOUR TURKEY BE PLUMP.
    MAY YOUR POTATOES ‘N GRAVY HAVE NARY A LUMP,
    MAY YOUR YAMS BE DELICIOUS,
    MAY YOUR PIES TAKE THE PRIZE,
    MAY YOUR THANKSGIVING DINNER
    STAY OFF OF YOUR THIGHS.

    GOBBLE TIL YOU WOBBLE………
    And Above All, Give Thanks to God For All He Has Done!

  60. BBFan November 27th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    Happy Tahnksgiving every one.
    Have wonderful time with your families.
    Drive safe.

  61. Yankee Trader November 27th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    If Sabathia, Teixeira, Burnett and Lowe fall through, plus if Yankees don’t want Manny, I’d also look into trading Matsui to the Mariners for Erik Bedard, and then sign Adam Dunn to DH.
    See if you can pry righty Ben Francisco from the Indians for relief help. Francisco had 12 assists playing left field, and Nady was second in the majors, in RF, in assists to Markakis at the time of the trade to the Yankees.

    Lineup:

    Damon CF-Gardner defensive replacement
    Jeter SS
    A-Rod 3rd
    Dunn DH
    Nady RF
    Cano 2nd
    Francisco LF
    Posada C
    Swisher 1st

    Starters:
    Wang
    Joba
    Bedard
    Pettitte
    Sheets/Penny/Freddy Garcia
    Hughes/Coke/Aceves

    Bench:
    Molina
    Kotsay
    trade for Wiggington who’s on the market
    Ransom

    Staying within budget, hoping Sheets stays healthy, or Penny turns it around like Cliff Lee did, and Hughes coming up mid year.

    Outfield set for a year, when free agents Crawford, Holiday,Bay, Ankiel become available.

  62. Jake November 27th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    CC to Angels
    Tex to Boston
    Manny to NY

    I am sure Boras would want that in a heartbeat.

  63. BBFan November 27th, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    A few thoughts:

    The hot stove will continue to be frozen until winter meetings start on December 8th. Also, the rule V draft on 9th (?), can have minor impact because of the roster adjustments required.

    Though Yanks focus is on pitching, CC is not a must. He is the first priority and they are pursuing him aggressively. If it does not happen so be it. As good as CC is, one guy won’t make all the difference. See what Cleveland and Milwaukee did last two years.

    Same with Pettitte. I have lot of respect for him, but am very surprised with his greediness. He was paid above than market for the last two years. When you look at what people like Smolz took from Braves in the last two years, you would expect a guy like Pettitte would show similar reciprocation. If the reports are true and Yanks are offering 12mil, he hsould have jumped at it. There is no way Dodgers are paying him that kind of money and he is using Dodgers to squeeze a few more bucks from Yanks.

    As I stated before, I believe that Yanks want to disassociate with all the known drug users as the new era is ushered in the new stadium. Also, I do not think they were too thrilled that he came on baord last year just a couple of days before Mitchell report was to be released and killed any remote chance they had of trading for Santana. If I am correct, then Pettitte will not be part of Yanks next year.

    Now, that should not panic us.

    Rigth now the rotation will have Wang, Chambertain and one of Hughes/Aceves/other prospects. So, we need at least two more.

    I think Yanks will get Peavy. If necessary they will overpay in prospects, gurantee his option year (then five years guranteed at around 16 mil/year) and possibly add one more option year. The trade could be centered around IPK, Gardner or Melki, Veras and some more prospects.

    They will also get one of Burnett, Lowe and Perez.

    Then they will go after Manny or Tex, though I see it will be Manny because he needs shorter length of contract.

    If this is what happens, I will be Ok with it. CC alone will not win a championship.

  64. Viper November 27th, 2008 at 12:46 pm

    I’d rather see the Yanks overpay in prospects for a guy like Zack Greinke than Jake Peavy.

    First off, Peavy has emphatically made it clear that he does not want to come to NY or pitch in the AL.

    Plus, we already know he’s greatly benefited by Petco and pitching in the weakest hitting division in MLB over the last few years. How would he translate to the AL East?

    Greinke is 25 years old and doesn’t make a lot of money. The kid is nasty and only getting better. And he clearly knows how to get AL hitters out. He also makes peanuts.

    I know people will throw the scarlet letter at him with the depression/anxiety issues of three years ago but it has been a non-issue since he took his leave and started taking medication.

    I don’t expect it to happen – but I’d much rather take my resources and pry Greinke away from the Royals than a guy like Peavy who has already made it clear that he wants nothing to do with NY or the AL.

  65. SamVa November 27th, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    BBFan-
    I do not think that a package centered around Kennedy would do it… but that could be just me…
    I read a few posts that suggested trading Swish to Oakland for a pitcher…
    Two things-
    1. Swisher if I am not mistaken had the lowest BA in the majors last year..(for a starter) and I am not saying he is a bad player or that he is going to continue on this, but what evidence do we have that Oakland would even want him as opposed to a FA such as Giambi?
    2. Would we want a pitcher that was the equivalent of Swisher? No offense, but I just don’t see Beane being like sure we will give you one of our best pitcher (someone suggested Justin Duchscherer) for someone who batted .219… Yes he hit 24 HRs.. But someone tell me why? He has played for the A’s before.. If they liked him that much they would have kept him..

  66. SamVa November 27th, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Viper-
    Would KC trade Greinke?
    I agree he would be an awesome pick-up.

  67. BBFan November 27th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    I would like to have Greinke instead of Peavy.
    But the difference is Peavy is available and Greinke is not. We can not dream about players not available. Also, why would KC trade Greinke when they trying to build their team to be competitive and he is cheap.

    Regarding Peavy not pitching in AL, the reports are that he does not mind Yanks or Angels provided that they improve his contract terms. Also, the Petco thing is overblown. As some one here stated quite some time back, during his Cy year, his record outside petco was as good as in Petco.

  68. Viper November 27th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    There have been a lot of rumors about Greinke, so I wouldn’t be so sure that he can’t be had.

    In fact, there have been rumors that Cashman has contacted the Royals the last few days about him.

    Not saying it’s likely to happen – but never say never.

    And if I had my choice, I’d prefer Greinke to Peavy.

  69. bru November 27th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    this is a bad time to be trading for pitchers.

    the yankees should have gotten 2 good young pitchers already,pitchers like Greinke,olsen,etc so they wouldn’t be so desperate.

    what about moving jeter to 2nd base,signing furcal,trading cano for a pitcher & trading for another pitcher & we would only have to go hard after cc?

  70. bru November 27th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    this comment will flush gb out for sure.

    he has a man crush on cano.

    second baseman are just not that important & can be replaced.

  71. Deep to Left November 27th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    Thank You Pete for all you do. Enjoy the downtime with your family. The loyal bloggers will be here when you get back. ;) Happy Thanksgiving to the entire LOHUD Yankee Blog gang.

  72. Gary November 27th, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    If Cashman wants Zack Greinke, he has the trading chips to use at the winter meetings coming up in just 10 days.

    http://kansascity.royals.mlb.c....._id=425844

  73. AP November 27th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    This is the worst football game I have ever seen.

  74. green ellis November 27th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    REPOST

    Also, referring to a previous post yesterday about Dice-k, had he gone back to Japan for a year, he could have come back the next year without a posting fee and available to every team in a Boras bidding war. He could have gotten upwards of 15 mil a year, which is far more than he’s getting now. Also, Boras allowed him to sign a 6 year deal at that junk price which means hell become a free agent at age 32. Basically, Boras failed his client in every aspect when he did indeed have all the leverage. Happy Thanksgiving guys!!

  75. bru November 27th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Zack Greinke would be a perfect type of trade.

    i don’t know what it will take to get him but if we can get him & make a trade for another similar pitcher we are on our way.

  76. no.27 November 27th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Every team in the league wants to trade for Zack Greinke. It would take a lot for the Yankees to get him. He’s a good pitcher though.e

  77. SamVa November 27th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Something to look at Greinke’s Home 2.92 vs. Away 3.93 Era… just thought I would bring that to light… Not saying that that can’t change…

  78. bru November 27th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    something about wang’s 5.96 home era bothers ma also.

    i wish the yankees would stay away from all these big contracts & trade for a few pitchers.

  79. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    So you’re bothered by a stat based on 48 inings? What about the 3.45 career at home?

  80. bru November 27th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    i love wang.also in 2007 wang had a 4.91 road era wich is worse than Greinke’s 2008 road era.

    point being,i would love greinke on the team instead of overpaying fa pitchers.

    i think trading hughes,cano,kennedy & a few other prospects to get 2 pitchers like him is the way to go.

    as long as we can keep montero,ajax,brackman,betances.

  81. j-man November 27th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    I’d love to get Greinke. But we’d probably have to overpay (at least Hughes and another top prospect), and he might not even be available.

  82. j-man November 27th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    I’d love to get Greinke. But we’d probably have to overpay (at least Hughes and another top prospect), and he might not even be available.

  83. bru November 27th, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    even if we get cc we should try for greinke,maybe by trading hughes & others & keep cano.

    i don’t wan’t to trade cano but if he get’s me a good young pitcher i might.

    what happens if cc doesn’t sign with us,burnett want’s 5 years,we might have no choice than to trade for pitching.

    i would much rather have greinke now than hughes.

  84. Billy November 27th, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    J-Man,

    Ibanez is a free agent, thus the Yankees can’t trade for him and Bedard.

  85. bru November 27th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    we are a better team with greinke right now replacing hughes & he is young & cheap.

    spending only 40 million dollars has our payroll sitting at approx 180 million dollars.

    tex want’s to play on the ec.why not sign him,trade for 2 pitchers,trade nady or swish for a cf,whoever stays plays rf.

    it is a lot to pull off but we get 2 pitchers,tex & a cf.

  86. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    So, you wnt to trade Cano, after loing Giambi’s and Abrey’ left hand bats? Where do you you figure the left handed offense is coming from? Damon and Matsui? Jesus….don’t apply for a GM’s job unless it’s the Red Sox.

  87. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    ***losing Giambi’s and Abreu’s***

  88. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    If Greinke is young, good and cheap, why would KC trade him?

  89. j-man November 27th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    My bad with Ibanez. My point is though that there are cheap DH’s available and keeping picks is important. Getting a starter with potential, like Bedard is worth only a small risk.

  90. bru November 27th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    i don’t wan’t to trade cano but if he get’s us a good young pitcher i would have to consider it if i was cashman.

    where are we getting 3 pitchers from ???

    if cc doesn’t sign things are not looking too good at all.

    burnett,sheets,lowe,pettitte,perez???

    if we sign cc & trade for 1 pitcher things are looking good.i would not sign sheets or burnett.they have shown that they can’t stay healthy.

  91. bru November 27th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    gb.

    i don’t know why does any team trade players when you and i might not agree with the trade.

    stop looking at things through you’re eyes only.

    trades happen all the time that i scratch my head on.

    the yankees can at the very minimum try.

    are you telling me you have never heard of a good young cheap pitcher getting traded???it is how other gm’s perceive the trade not you or i..

  92. j-man November 27th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    I want Burnett out of the division. He always stymied us.
    BTW,
    sign CC, Sheets, Pettitte
    Let Austin Jackson have a chance at the CF job. (How much better were Melky or Gardner last year)? See if Nady could get you decent prospects back. See if Matsui could net you anything; if not slot him in the 3 hole. Also, see if Melancon can get you an MLB ready hitter. Keep Betances, Brackman, Montero, Jackson, Hughes.

  93. PAT M November 27th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    Some of these trade proposals are really bad even at the fanasty level…..Man the Winter Meetings can’t get here fast enough…..By the way,,,Happy Thanksgiving Day to the group……Don’t trade Phil Hughes…..

  94. bru November 27th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    the yankees & cashman got to conservative & scared to make a move.

    with their payroll they should have the best team in the world.

    the tabata trade was a disaster & those players should have been used for pitching/cf/fb for starters.even if they landed one good pitcher we are in much better shape.

    cashman put the team in the worse case scenario we can be in,desperately needing 3 pitchers & all of them wan’t to take us to the cleaners including pettitte.

    we make a trade for swish to take the pressure off of signing tex but we didn’t trade for any pitchers along the way.

    tabata,melky,kennedy at one time could of landed us an awfull lot.

    we could of had santanna now for not a whole lot,i forget the exact players.

    think about that,having santanna now & signing only tex.how good would this team be???

  95. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    PAT M
    November 27th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
    Some of these trade proposals are really bad even at the fanasty level…..Man the Winter Meetings can’t get here fast enough…..By the way,,,Happy Thanksgiving Day to the group……Don’t trade Phil Hughes…..

    ———————————————————–

    Afternoon, Pat. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
    This guy is beyond reason with these silly trade thoughts. Trading offense is ok if you have plenty (NYY doesn’t) but some of his ideas would short circuit a PS3 with these trades.

    Are you getting any info that’s not being rumored or reported?

  96. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    bru
    November 27th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
    the yankees & cashman got to conservative & scared to make a move.

    with their payroll they should have the best team in the world.

    the tabata trade was a disaster & those players should have been used for pitching/cf/fb for starters.even if they landed one good pitcher we are in much better shape.

    cashman put the team in the worse case scenario we can be in,desperately needing 3 pitchers & all of them wan’t to take us to the cleaners including pettitte.

    we make a trade for swish to take the pressure off of signing tex but we didn’t trade for any pitchers along the way.

    tabata,melky,kennedy at one time could of landed us an awfull lot.

    we could of had santanna now for not a whole lot,i forget the exact players.

    think about that,having santanna now & signing only tex.how good would this team be???

    ———————————————————–

    NYY gave up very little and got back a good bat and a very good lef handed relief pitcher….something they haven’t had in 6 years.

    NYY wasn’t getting Santana for “not a whole lot”.

  97. bru November 27th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    in a perfect world i would love to keep all the prospects but most of them do not become great & the chances of hughes becoming great is very small.

    would it be a bad idea to trade hughes,cano or anyone else?? i don’t know but i know one thing fore sure,nobody else knows.

    what i don’t understand is a lot of people critisizing every move when nobody in the world knows what will work or what won’t.

    when i see people suggesting trades i migh think it will not work but difinitively i or anyone else never know for sure.

    gm’s,writers,scouts & other so called experts don’t know for sure either.

    only when you look back can you tell.

    did the red sox or you and i think when the red sox traded for becket that it was a good trade.

    the red sox were both critisized & praised for that move.

    when the yankees got brosus,oneill,boone what did you and i think or say about those moves ??

    so when people critisize trade scenarios it makes me laugh because these are people who have trade ideas that would be critisized by many just like they are critisizing others.

    how does anybody know if trading cano for greinke would be a good move?? what happens if greinke turns into a stud pitcher & cano never tastes greatness?

    unless you can look into the future you do not know so please stop pretending that you know what is right & everybody else ir wrong because you just make yourself look stupid,trust.

  98. Taghrid November 27th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    ??????? ?????? ??????…

  99. bru November 27th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    gb:

    i am sorry that you are content with the yankees & their 209 million dollar 2008 payroll.

    the yankees by far paid more per win than any other team & probably will continue to do so forever but if you can’t see that a ton of mistakes were made & continue to be made then you are not in touch with reality.

    you like i have to be upset that with their resourses they should be king of the mountain looking down on every other team laughing at them.

  100. PAT M November 27th, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    GB7, Happy Thanksgiving to you my man……One thing coming out int the OC press is that the Angels are taking offers for one of their catchers ( Boston is the main team )…Napoli is the name being tossed around the most…As for CC., the respected opinion is that Moreno is leaking this out to get a message to Boras ( Texeria )…With Lackey a FA next season and the need for more hitting, the whole Sabathia issue is taken lightly….Peavy is a strong possibility, but I don’t see Atrie Moreno committing to 130 million, especially with Lackey’s turn to the bank window upcoming…..As for the absurd trade proposals, I blame it on idle down time until the meetings in Veags…..Some are insightful, some are just bewildering….No names mentioned…..

  101. PAT M November 27th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    Bru, After Hank pulled Hughes from the table, Smith came back and asked for Wang as the centerpiece for Santana….

  102. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    PAT M
    November 27th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
    GB7, Happy Thanksgiving to you my man……One thing coming out int the OC press is that the Angels are taking offers for one of their catchers ( Boston is the main team )…Napoli is the name being tossed around the most…As for CC., the respected opinion is that Moreno is leaking this out to get a message to Boras ( Texeria )…With Lackey a FA next season and the need for more hitting, the whole Sabathia issue is taken lightly….Peavy is a strong possibility, but I don’t see Atrie Moreno committing to 130 million, especially with Lackey’s turn to the bank window upcoming…..As for the absurd trade proposals, I blame it on idle down time until the meetings in Veags…..Some are insightful, some are just bewildering….No names mentioned…..

    ———————————————————–

    I saw where LA had either catcher up for a move. It’s hard to pick between the two. Both always impressed me on defense, and now Mathis has added the power. I think that Mathis would be the guy to go, if only because his defense isn’t quite as good. Hard to tell if he’s going to add to his BA…under .200 isn’t great. Someone had a long list f catchers that may be moved and it included Shoppach and or Victor Martinez. I’d hate to see what Martinez would do in Boston. Shoppach needs to repeat his 2008 before I believe that he’s for real.

    Like you, I figure the “we want Sabathia” talk was jst to get Teixeira to commit to LAA, but, that may backfire. LAA has pitching after they traded Kotchman and cut Anderson loose, the last thng they can afford to do is lose Teixeira, too.

  103. bru November 27th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    ok.

    i do not know all the details,i did at one time.

    i do know that if hughes was left on the table we could of had santanna for hughes,melky & one or two others i believe.

    i am not pretending i have any or all the answers.i have ideas,some good some bad,some that might sound bad now & better later & the other way around.

    i am for anything that makes the team better and it is refreshing to see them for a change make a move to get a good player without a colossal contract.

    it is done one move at a time,small steps instead of the position they are in now.i am not in love with cano’s obp.that is why i do not have a problem moving him.

    he might turn into a superstar & it sounds like he is taking this serious now.

    they are in a very bad position now & should not be with their resources.

    to make it simple it just makes me mad as he** that the red sox are ahead of them on all levels.

  104. OldYanksFan November 27th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Bru – Correct, nobody knows how trades with turn out. But this we do know. Our farm is stacked with high talent pitchers. Ou farm is also all but barren of high talent position players. Cano is potentially our 2nd or 3rd best hitter as well as being an above average fielder, and is signed at a reasonable salary. Trading him for pitching is nuts unless somehow we get a proven young stud.

    Furthermore, you want a young pitcher developed by another organization, but you won’t give the Yankees time to let Phil develop. Hughes still has more upside then many of the pitchers you might consider. On top of that, his value is very low now, as is Cano’s, so you are advocating trading 2 our our young, talented players at their lowest point.

    And just WHO are these 2 pitchers you want to trade for?

    Sorry dude, you are just throwing sh*t against the wall, coming up with terrible proposals just to try and do something. Doing nothing is better then doing something stupid.

  105. bru November 27th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    i’ve been a yankee fan since 1976.

    the tie breaking game against the red sox when the yankees came from way behind i broke a car window,my moms.

    i just hate to see the red sox doing better than the yankees.

  106. GreenBeret7 November 27th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    My God…this is worse than listening to the Poppy Family.

  107. YankeeBaseball November 27th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    “But this we do know. Our farm is stacked with high talent pitchers”.

    ——————————————————–

    Hughes??
    Kennedy???
    CHase Wrong?
    Horne?
    Marquez?
    Igawa???

    Melancon is the only pitcher in the higher levels of their farm that really impresses me. We have no idea if Betances, Bleich & Brackman will work out.

    STACKED? I’d say “Hyped” is more accurate at this point…

  108. Bret the Hitman November 28th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    CC Sabathia has one competitive offer right now. One single competitive offer in all of baseball. He can’t make a decision until Moreno or some other unexpected team makes an offer that might change the Yankees final offer. CC wants to make sure he gets paid according to his worth. The market will decide if the Yankees must up their bid. I don’t think it’ll be necessary because other teams have too many holes to fill and not enough money to fill them. But in the event that CC receives an offer close to the Yankees offer, the front office will respond with an offer that can’t be refused.

    So let’s stop all these scenarios that don’t involve CC in our rotation. Think about it. If the Yankees had even the slightest indication that CC Sabathia was really adamantly opposed to coming to NY, they would’ve moved on by now with their plans. CC’s agent knows better than to string along a team that has the Yankees spending power. If CC didn’t want any part of NY, CC and his agent would at least have dropped a clue to the Yanks in privacy. They wouldn’t single-handedly feign interest while stymying our entire offseason plan because agents must show courtesy to the teams that pay the bills. Their clients don’t have to sign but they do have to make their intentions clear enough so that the Yanks know what to do moving forward. If there was any doubt whatsoever about CC, the Yanks would’ve signed Burnett + Sheets + Pettitte +Teixeira and traded for Peavy by now.

  109. ham fighters November 28th, 2008 at 7:12 am

    i dont have to like baseball player to root for them on the ballfield. so i root for arod because he’s a yankees and we are unwisely stuck for him for another 9 years.

    but what a snake he is. he’s like brittany now, between madonna and thier manager and cynthia, he is living the celeb life to the fullest. living on page 6 for everyone to see.

    who did he have turkey with yesterday? its all in the paper complete with pix of him arriving and leaving in full color. what a loser.

    hope he has a great year next year but the guy’s a snake.

  110. Steve November 28th, 2008 at 8:39 am

    Our roster as of today is:

    C Posada
    1B: Swisher
    2b: Cano
    SS: JEter
    3B: Arod
    OF: Damon
    OF: Gardner/Cabrera
    OF: Nady
    DH: Matsui

    C: Molina
    UT: Ransom

    P: Wang
    P: Joba
    P:
    P:Hughes/Kennedy/?????
    P: Aceves

    CL: Mo
    RP: Bruney
    RP: Coke
    RP: Marte
    RP: Veras
    RP: Robertson
    RP: Ramirez
    RP: Geise

    We need two-three starters- preferably CC, option of Burnett or Lowe, and either Pettite or another trade/free agent signing.

    On offense, I think we need another bat and a true utility infielder to go along with Ransom. I think I would keep Gardner over Melky and trade Melky.

    Dunn is not a good fit. He is a DH and we have that slot filled already with Matsui and occassionally we will need to slot Damon and Posada in the DH slot. Tex would be the best fit then you can put Swisher in the OF and use Gardner more as the back up outfielder. If we do not get Tex then I would focus on getting a back up firstbaseman (unless we see Miranda in that role and I am not sold yet on him) and we should get another outfielder who can hit and hit with power.

    Do not be surprised if Cashman lands some smaller role players who can come up big for us. A Mark Kotsay could fill both back up 1B and OF role. He did well for Red Sox and could be a good fit for the Yanks. I can say the same for an Alex Cora in the utility infielder role.

    Our pen is our strength. We also have Abeldajado coming back from injury and we have several young arms that can be slotted into the bullpen mix. If we have a need in our pen it is to figure out who is the everyday set up guy. As of today, it is Bruney who has emerged as a very reliable short reliever. I might want to have another arm that could be slotted into that role and perhaps someone who can close if Mo was injured (God forbid) or needed a break. Melancon is an interesting guy who can make a move this year in our pen. Of all our pen guys referenced above, Ramirez and perhaps Veras are the most expendable. Veras has great stuff but lacks command. Ramirez is better suited to use in a mix and match situation to get one or two batters. He is less effective if slotted to give us 1-2 innings of relief. His stuff loses its effectiveness once hitters see that change up over and over again.

    Geise imprssed me last year with his command and his moxy. He is well suited for a long relief role and showed that he can handle some spot starts. If we get CC, Burnett/Lowe and another pitcher then Aceves may move into the long relief slot, in which case Geise goes back to AAA or is traded.

    I suspect that GM winter meetings will begin the flurry of free agent signings and some trades. I would not discount Cashman swinging a surprise trade or two.

    I do not discount us trading for a starter and trading for another position player.

  111. VALERIE December 28th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    this post is full of sense and knowledge that should all of us must learn.


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