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Arbitration decisions due today

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 01, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Today is the deadline for teams to offer their free agents arbitration. Here are the players the Yankees have to make decisions on:

OF Bobby Abreu (Type A)

1B Jason Giambi

RHP Mike Mussina (Type A)

RHP Carl Pavano

LHP Andy Pettitte (Type A)

C Pudge Rodriguez (Type A)

How it works: If a team offers arbitration, the player has until Dec. 7 to decide whether to accept. Accepting means a player is returned to the roster as a “signed player” and at worst will receive a one-year deal. If the sides cannot agree to terms, an arbitration panel will set the salary.

However, such a deal is not guaranteed. A player could be released at the cost of only termination pay.

By offering arbitration, a team ensures itself of compensation if a player signs with another team. Type A free agents are worth two draft picks. Type B free agents are worth one.

Type A: The Yankees would receive the team’s first-round pick and a supplemental first-round pick. However the first 15 picks are protected. The compensation then becomes a supplemental pick and the second-round choice that belonged to the other team.

Type B: One supplemental first-round pick.

We’ll find out later today who gets offered. My guess? Abreu, Mussina and Pettitte.

Let’s say Mussina stays retired, Pettitte stays with the Yanks and Abreu signs elsewhere. That would give the Yankees two extra picks. They already have two extra picks in 2009, the compensation for not signing their first-round pick (Gerrit Cole) and second-round pick (Scott Bittle).

Of course, they also figure to lose their first-round pick for signing a free agent.

Check back later today for the final decisions.

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40 Responses to “Arbitration decisions due today”

  1. greg December 1st, 2008 at 1:39 am

    Pudge is a type B.

  2. Al from BK December 1st, 2008 at 1:51 am

    They need to decline Andy and bring him back at 12 mil per. I would only bring back Bobby on a 2 yr deal w/option but he could get 3 from many other teams so I doubt he stays.

  3. dave December 1st, 2008 at 1:56 am

    If they decline andy and he signs with the dodgers we miss out on the 17th round pick and a supplemental pick. That isnt worth 4 million – i think we should offer andy arbitration and at worst, he accepts and comes back for 16 million or so. That isnt so bad considering we have two starters for next year on our roster at the moment and all we seem to be interested in signing is starting pitchers. Andy will give us 200 innings most of which will be quality. I would rather pay him 12 million to be our fourth starter but we cant risk losing him and not getting anything back for it. Pudge is not going to be offered arbitration no matter what type of free agent he is – he could potentially come back for 10 million and cash doesnt want to re-sign him at all. You cant risk him accepting arbitration which he will do with the money on the line for a supplemental pick.

  4. dave December 1st, 2008 at 1:56 am

    abreu is a no-brainer. I would gladly take him back if he accepts arbitration.

  5. dave December 1st, 2008 at 2:00 am

    The yanks get a third round pick for failure to sign someone from the second round. How does that make any sense? Why dont they get a second round pick?

  6. GreenBeret7 December 1st, 2008 at 2:06 am

    If all Ivan Rodriguez costs NYY is termination pay, then offering him arbitration should also be a no-brainer. His one month’s pay is at least worth a value of a top 40-45 draft pick. The only issue would be putting him back on the 40 man roster if he accepts and losing a player spot. That risk isast worth losing Shelley Duncan or Geise.

  7. flabbergassted December 1st, 2008 at 2:12 am

    I agree with GreenBeret about Pudge. I think the fact that the Yankees passed on possible compensation for Marte (by re-signing him) makes this more likely as well since the Yanks could certainly use more draft picks.

  8. GreenBeret7 December 1st, 2008 at 2:15 am

    flabbergassted
    December 1st, 2008 at 2:12 am
    I agree with GreenBeret about Pudge. I think the fact that the Yankees passed on possible compensation for Marte (by re-signing him) makes this more likely as well since the Yanks could certainly use more draft picks.

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    I think that I’m more “Flabbergasted” than you are that somebody agrees with me.

  9. GreenBeret7 December 1st, 2008 at 2:17 am

    ***That risk least worth***

  10. GreenBeret7 December 1st, 2008 at 2:18 am

    risk is at least

  11. flabbergassted December 1st, 2008 at 2:34 am

    Are you ok GreenBeret7? You seem to be posting in fragments now.

  12. GreenBeret7 December 1st, 2008 at 2:43 am

    flabbergassted
    December 1st, 2008 at 2:34 am
    Are you ok GreenBeret7? You seem to be posting in fragments now.

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    No, I’m fine. I just make a lot of typos, and try to correct them. Not always successfully, though.

  13. flabbergassted December 1st, 2008 at 2:45 am

    Oh I’m sorry. I didn’t even realize you were doing that. Whoops. I should have known.

  14. will fl December 1st, 2008 at 2:52 am

    IPK dominant last night

    http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/.....n_arewin_1
    Complete game 3 hitter

  15. will fl December 1st, 2008 at 2:54 am

    lol look at who he beat

  16. crawdaddie December 1st, 2008 at 4:10 am

    Pete,
    I read on the official listing that Irod is a “B” free agent.

  17. RalphieD December 1st, 2008 at 7:43 am

    I agree with gb…I would definitly offer pudge arb…bank on him signing somewhere else, if not cut him in st as long as posada is healthy

  18. Kill.Schill(ing) December 1st, 2008 at 7:53 am

    Hey, I don’t care who A-Rod dates but I think I’d have more respect for his taste if he was dating Billie Piper od heck, Brittney Spears even, instead of Madonna.

    There isn’t any player I’d rather see play 3d base for the Yankees than A-Rod, and for my money, he’s the indispensable Yankee, not Jeter.

    But the choice in the celebrities they date says much about who they are off the diamond than on it.

    All ball players covet surrogate fathers. But a surrogate mother? Come on, A-Rod, sheesh.

  19. jennifer December 1st, 2008 at 8:18 am

    We can thank Alex’s ex wife for his strange obession with Madonna. She is the one who pushed him to go to shows, who wanted to go back stage etc.

  20. jake December 1st, 2008 at 8:59 am

    jennifer
    December 1st, 2008 at 8:18 am
    “We can thank Alex’s ex wife for his strange obession with Madonna. She is the one who pushed him to go to shows, who wanted to go back stage etc.”

    I really think we should start letting Arod be responsible now for his own actions and decisions.

    He acts like a knucklehead when opts out of his contract and then comes back to the Yankees, but poor little Arod, he was manipulated by Scott Boras.

    He dates Madonna but it’s his ex wife’s fault????

    He doesn’t deliver in the clutch but it’s because of all the pressure the fans put on him???

    Stop making excuses for him.

  21. GreenBeret7 December 1st, 2008 at 9:08 am

    jake
    December 1st, 2008 at 8:59 am
    jennifer
    December 1st, 2008 at 8:18 am
    “We can thank Alex’s ex wife for his strange obession with Madonna. She is the one who pushed him to go to shows, who wanted to go back stage etc.”

    I really think we should start letting Arod be responsible now for his own actions and decisions.

    He acts like a knucklehead when opts out of his contract and then comes back to the Yankees, but poor little Arod, he was manipulated by Scott Boras.

    He dates Madonna but it’s his ex wife’s fault????

    He doesn’t deliver in the clutch but it’s because of all the pressure the fans put on him???

    Stop making excuses for him.

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    Should that go for everyone that has decided Rodriguez is to blame for every Yankee team failure and quite a few player failures, such as being a bad influence?

  22. 86w183 December 1st, 2008 at 9:10 am

    I can see no reason not to offer Pettite. They can still offer $ 12.8 in arbitration and make that case that it is a fair amount for a guy who is about to turn 37 (June) and had such a poor finish to 2008.

    I still don’t see anyone giving Abreu three years. I’ve been predicting he accepts arbitration for weeks.If he does Damon may become the prime (though not every day) CF.

    FA pursuits will pick up once arbitration decisions are made.

  23. John in Ohio December 1st, 2008 at 9:40 am

    I think Abreu would most likely accept arbitration. Can’t go through another year with him as the regular in RF, though. He’s still a force at the plate, and has a good arm, but he’s afraid of the wall, and shys away from the centerfielder. Gardner plays with reckless abandon, and Bobby would be looking for a hole to climb into. Maybe they could just strap some matresses to the new RF wall….would that help??

  24. Paul December 1st, 2008 at 9:45 am

    I think they should offer arbitration to Pettitte, Pudge, Moose, and Bobby A. I don’t see Pudge coming back under any circumstance so why not get the pick? Bobby A probably wants a multiyear deal, so he won’t accept either. The tough one for me is Andy. I’ve been a huge fan of his for many years, but I wonder if he really is through at this point and would hate to see him blocking someone else’s place in the rotation (especially if the Yanks sign 2 FA starters). I guess they can do one year arbitrated and cut him if he doesn’t perform up to the level, but that might be even more painful, given what he’s done for us all for so long.

  25. jake December 1st, 2008 at 10:00 am

    “Should that go for everyone that has decided Rodriguez is to blame for every Yankee team failure and quite a few player failures, such as being a bad influence?”

    I would agree with that.

  26. bottom line December 1st, 2008 at 10:00 am

    Amazes me that nobody remembers just how good Andy was the first half of last year — won lots of big games, ending losing streaks, beating Boston, etc. Seems obvious he was hurting in second half. If med reports are OK, it is absolute no-brainer to extend arbitration. And yet the Yankees sometimes irrationally dig on their heels. They already did it once with Pettitte. Hope they don’t repeat mistake. Would you rather have Andy for one year? Or be stuck with Derek Lowe for four?

  27. 86w183 December 1st, 2008 at 10:10 am

    One year on Pettite makes more sense than 3-4 years on Derek Lowe, doesn’t it?

    Jake — It’s not “defending A-Rod” to point out when you are full of it. You wrote “he doesn’t deliver in the clutch”; yet his career OPS with RISP is an excellent .957. He wasn’t good last year and ended up at .863, but in 2007 he was sensational at 1.138. He had a down year w/ RISP last year, but his career has shown him to be a very good clutch hitter.

    Sorry to screw up your baseless opinion with facts.

  28. Trevor December 1st, 2008 at 10:26 am

    They’re not going to offer Pettitte arbitration. If they did he will accept and it’s obvious the Yankees don’t want him back for $16 million. So we could kiss the 17th pick from the Dodgers good-bye.
    The only picks they will likely gain is Abreu signing elsewhere. Which is fine because that will give them 2 guarantee first round picks and possibly 3 if they don’t sign a type A FA.

  29. Rock Smoother December 1st, 2008 at 10:28 am

    86w183

    You make the best point about Andy…we are better off paying Andy one year at 16 million then the same-aged derek lowe 60 million over 4 or 5 years…..Andy’s 2nd half after his shoulder was hurt is distorting everyone’s vision of how effective he was before the shoulder probelm last year…12-7 w/ a 3.76 ERA until July 28th….hurt his shoulder first start of august…and pitched through it the whole way…..

    Also if they don’t offer arbitration what kind of window does that give them to sign Andy?

  30. Wiseman December 1st, 2008 at 11:24 am

    I would offer Pudge arbitration – he will not take it and if he does he can be released at end of spring if Posada is OK with 60 days pay.

  31. 86w183 December 1st, 2008 at 11:27 am

    I believe they can keep talking with him, but they lose any possible compensation if he goes elsewhere.

    I expect them to sign Andy during the week ahead for something like $ 14 w/incentives that could get him a raise over last year…possibly 18 wins or 200 innings or 32 starts.. things like that.

  32. OldYanksFan December 1st, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Andy has an average ERA over the last 2 years of 4.3ish… which is a tad better then league average. So what’s that worth on the FA market? My guess is less then $16m. I think they should offer him Arb, and then offer him $14m. At that price, he ain’t a bad deal. If he goes elsewhere, which he won’t, we get 2 picks.

    Frankly, I don’t what the Yankees are thinking… especially as the CC front is not going that well.

  33. Pancho December 1st, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Pete, I think that you should not be advertising gentlemen’s clubs on your blog, don’t you think? It is a baseball blog and there could be young kids logged in and participating in the discussion. In addition, I believe, given the Plaxico Buress incident, that a lot of these entertainment options prefered by athletes and fans alike are sometimes not the best example for society overall. Would love to hear your take on it. Thanks.

  34. Yankee Trader December 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Pudge is a Type B, and if he accepts arbitration the most an arbitor could cut his pay is by 20%, which would give him a 2009 salary of close to 10 million. This is close to what he might make for two years as a free agent, and Boras might encourage him to accept even though he’d be a backup.

    A buyout after 30 days would still cost the Yankees > 1 million, so tell adios.

    Think Andy is going thru that “feeling unwanted” stage again. Would offer arbitration. If he goes to the Dodgers that’s OK. Last time he hurt his elbow was at an at bat for the Astros. I want him back, but in this economy, and based on his 2008 record, and that he’s playing in a brand new stadium, what makes him worth more than a long time Brave like John Smoltz. 11-12 million is more than generous.

    See that Astros have signed lefty Mike Hampton, which probably means they’re out of the running for Randy Wolf, who pitched really well down the stretch for the Astros. IMO Wolf is a better, younger option than Derek Lowe!!

    Thoughts?

    And yes I’d be happy with Abreu for one more year, and I think he’d settle for a slight pay cut, if not offered a 2-3 deal elsewhere. I don’t see anyone paying him more than 12-13 million a year for 2-3 years.

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