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		<title>By: AROD fan</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/01/blue-jays-offer-burnett-arbitration/comment-page-1/#comment-600181</link>
		<dc:creator>AROD fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consumption for the Yankees/MLB will definitely change, but we are not suddenly looking at a leveling of society or communism. 

There are tons of people who are going to now change their mind and instead of buyign their grandmother the picasso original for xmas buy her the Yankees tiffany lamp. 

Consuming the Yankees is a reduction in disposable income for some people. Yankees tickets are still cheaper than the Opera, or dinner at Union Square Cafe, etc. 

Furthermore, the Yankees socialized their risks for a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consumption for the Yankees/MLB will definitely change, but we are not suddenly looking at a leveling of society or communism. </p>
<p>There are tons of people who are going to now change their mind and instead of buyign their grandmother the picasso original for xmas buy her the Yankees tiffany lamp. </p>
<p>Consuming the Yankees is a reduction in disposable income for some people. Yankees tickets are still cheaper than the Opera, or dinner at Union Square Cafe, etc. </p>
<p>Furthermore, the Yankees socialized their risks for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No one would consider yes part of their disposable income. &quot;

Sure it is.  It&#039;s paid for through cable tv fees.  I&#039;d bet plenty of people who are worried about losing their homes will cut the cord on cable TV.

The yankees are lucky however that their revenues are not as dependent on sources of revenue that are liable to fluctuate.

That said - there are still at least 6-7 unsold luxury boxes.  If you would have told the yankees a year and a half ago that 6-7 boxes would remain unsold they would have thought you were crazy.

Each box costs $600 - 700K.  So that&#039;s around $4-5M of lost revenue right now.

Or the difference between Pettite&#039;s $16M demand and the yankees reported $12M offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No one would consider yes part of their disposable income. &#8221;</p>
<p>Sure it is.  It&#8217;s paid for through cable tv fees.  I&#8217;d bet plenty of people who are worried about losing their homes will cut the cord on cable TV.</p>
<p>The yankees are lucky however that their revenues are not as dependent on sources of revenue that are liable to fluctuate.</p>
<p>That said &#8211; there are still at least 6-7 unsold luxury boxes.  If you would have told the yankees a year and a half ago that 6-7 boxes would remain unsold they would have thought you were crazy.</p>
<p>Each box costs $600 &#8211; 700K.  So that&#8217;s around $4-5M of lost revenue right now.</p>
<p>Or the difference between Pettite&#8217;s $16M demand and the yankees reported $12M offer.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/01/blue-jays-offer-burnett-arbitration/comment-page-1/#comment-600176</link>
		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Part of the Yankee’s problems stem from their greed. I wonder if there is any regret about building the new ballpark.&quot;

I&#039;m sure there is tremendous concern.

The yankees borrowed money to finance the stadium and did so based on estimates for projected revenues.

If those revenues suddenly plummet - then they could in theory have trouble servicing the debt they took on.

Now, thanks to the tax payers, much of the debt they took on was very favorable to them.

But it&#039;s an issue.  The entire economy is not only contracting - it&#039;s deflating.  In deflation the prices for goods and services decrease due to lowered demand.

Many people posting here are assuming that demand for baseball related good and services will remain constant and won&#039;t be affected by the larger downturn.

That&#039;s very unlikely.

The teams you&#039;ll really see this potentially affect are the ones that have borrowed a lot of money and don&#039;t have fixed sources of revenue.

Teams that are most dependent on ticket sales for revenue must be very worried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Part of the Yankee’s problems stem from their greed. I wonder if there is any regret about building the new ballpark.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there is tremendous concern.</p>
<p>The yankees borrowed money to finance the stadium and did so based on estimates for projected revenues.</p>
<p>If those revenues suddenly plummet &#8211; then they could in theory have trouble servicing the debt they took on.</p>
<p>Now, thanks to the tax payers, much of the debt they took on was very favorable to them.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s an issue.  The entire economy is not only contracting &#8211; it&#8217;s deflating.  In deflation the prices for goods and services decrease due to lowered demand.</p>
<p>Many people posting here are assuming that demand for baseball related good and services will remain constant and won&#8217;t be affected by the larger downturn.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s very unlikely.</p>
<p>The teams you&#8217;ll really see this potentially affect are the ones that have borrowed a lot of money and don&#8217;t have fixed sources of revenue.</p>
<p>Teams that are most dependent on ticket sales for revenue must be very worried.</p>
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		<title>By: AROD fan</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/01/blue-jays-offer-burnett-arbitration/comment-page-1/#comment-600173</link>
		<dc:creator>AROD fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the Yankees/MLB economy is more complicated than just disposable income volatility. No one on this blog would consider blogging their disposable income, but this blog and all the others are a part of the overall Yankees economic picture. No one would consider yes part of their disposable income. Or going to Yankees.com from their blackberry. Plus, there are many smart people out there who gamble with their disposable income, but there are many many more who gamble with they don&#039;t have. Gambling is and has been for some time the only profitable business in this country (whether it&#039;s hedge funds or actual casino&#039;s). There is no gambling without sports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the Yankees/MLB economy is more complicated than just disposable income volatility. No one on this blog would consider blogging their disposable income, but this blog and all the others are a part of the overall Yankees economic picture. No one would consider yes part of their disposable income. Or going to Yankees.com from their blackberry. Plus, there are many smart people out there who gamble with their disposable income, but there are many many more who gamble with they don&#8217;t have. Gambling is and has been for some time the only profitable business in this country (whether it&#8217;s hedge funds or actual casino&#8217;s). There is no gambling without sports.</p>
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		<title>By: manny</title>
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		<dc:creator>manny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that picture doe&#039;nt look like cashman,looks more like Ted Knight from the mary tyler moore show.Lowe will go to the Sux,Peavy to the Cubs and CC to the Angels.Yanks will get Zippo!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that picture doe&#8217;nt look like cashman,looks more like Ted Knight from the mary tyler moore show.Lowe will go to the Sux,Peavy to the Cubs and CC to the Angels.Yanks will get Zippo!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Drive 4-5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drive 4-5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CB,

Consumer spending surely is a factor. It would be interesting to see how many long time season ticket holders that got screwed out of their seats to make way for luxury boxes retained their licences. I&#039;m sure there are unsold luxury suites. Part of the Yankee&#039;s problems stem from their greed. I wonder if there is any regret about building the new ballpark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CB,</p>
<p>Consumer spending surely is a factor. It would be interesting to see how many long time season ticket holders that got screwed out of their seats to make way for luxury boxes retained their licences. I&#8217;m sure there are unsold luxury suites. Part of the Yankee&#8217;s problems stem from their greed. I wonder if there is any regret about building the new ballpark.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This shopping season has seen a big increase over last year. Tell me again about consumer spending.&quot;

Not at all.  First of all the holiday shopping season started on friday.  Second of all sales weren&#039;t at the levels people hoped for.  Third there&#039;s huge concerns about falling profit margins due to retailers cutting prices to get people into the stores.

That&#039;s why the market fell 700 points today.  That didn&#039;t just happen for no reason.

And on top of that - it&#039;s just a fact that consumer spending has decreased for 4 months in a row which is a very rare occurrence in the US economy since WWII.  The last time it happened was 27 years ago.  And the economy is much worse off now than in was during the recession of 1991 - much worse off.

People spend on baseball out of their disposable income.  Disposable income is the first thing people stop spending on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This shopping season has seen a big increase over last year. Tell me again about consumer spending.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not at all.  First of all the holiday shopping season started on friday.  Second of all sales weren&#8217;t at the levels people hoped for.  Third there&#8217;s huge concerns about falling profit margins due to retailers cutting prices to get people into the stores.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the market fell 700 points today.  That didn&#8217;t just happen for no reason.</p>
<p>And on top of that &#8211; it&#8217;s just a fact that consumer spending has decreased for 4 months in a row which is a very rare occurrence in the US economy since WWII.  The last time it happened was 27 years ago.  And the economy is much worse off now than in was during the recession of 1991 &#8211; much worse off.</p>
<p>People spend on baseball out of their disposable income.  Disposable income is the first thing people stop spending on.</p>
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		<title>By: AROD fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>AROD fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, MLB is a private company as well as a subsidized monopoly. They are not suddenly shocked because there is a bust that is following a boom. Consumption is not just an economic stat. People have to consume something as they watch their 401ks implode, etc. And that something is the great American pastime of baseball. 

At the same time, they have to plan for either deflation or hyper-inflation, so it&#039;s best they wait until the last minute when they know which they are dealing with. AND, any excuse to lower payroll or to &quot;collude&quot; is a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, MLB is a private company as well as a subsidized monopoly. They are not suddenly shocked because there is a bust that is following a boom. Consumption is not just an economic stat. People have to consume something as they watch their 401ks implode, etc. And that something is the great American pastime of baseball. </p>
<p>At the same time, they have to plan for either deflation or hyper-inflation, so it&#8217;s best they wait until the last minute when they know which they are dealing with. AND, any excuse to lower payroll or to &#8220;collude&#8221; is a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: MP</title>
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		<dc:creator>MP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AROD fan,

Nope...because from what team would they &quot;steal&quot; the picks from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AROD fan,</p>
<p>Nope&#8230;because from what team would they &#8220;steal&#8221; the picks from?</p>
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		<title>By: GreenBeret7</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenBeret7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AROD fan 
December 1st, 2008 at 8:16 pm 
Question:

If a team offers arb to a player and the player declines arb but then later signs with this same team for a multi-year contract, then does the team still get the draft picks?


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Sure, the Yankees will get the Yankees draft picks, but will get penalized and won&#039;t get the supplimental picks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AROD fan<br />
December 1st, 2008 at 8:16 pm<br />
Question:</p>
<p>If a team offers arb to a player and the player declines arb but then later signs with this same team for a multi-year contract, then does the team still get the draft picks?</p>
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<p>Sure, the Yankees will get the Yankees draft picks, but will get penalized and won&#8217;t get the supplimental picks.</p>
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