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		<title>By: bodhisattva</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhisattva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al from BK( Where in the world is Carsten Charles Sabathia?)
December 1st, 2008 at 11:17 pm
“I rather sign Dunn than Manny despite his 100+ Ks. The short porch in RF will do good for Dunn.:)”
Oh Lord. Dunn can’t play a lick of defense. However he WOULD hit 50+ HR’s in the stadium.
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So would Juan Miranda, if he ever gets the chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al from BK( Where in the world is Carsten Charles Sabathia?)<br />
December 1st, 2008 at 11:17 pm<br />
“I rather sign Dunn than Manny despite his 100+ Ks. The short porch in RF will do good for Dunn.:)”<br />
Oh Lord. Dunn can’t play a lick of defense. However he WOULD hit 50+ HR’s in the stadium.<br />
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<p>So would Juan Miranda, if he ever gets the chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor the Predictor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor the Predictor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will be the final year that many if nor all baseball owners will feel they are at the beckon call of a Scott Boras.
His clients will tell him under the conditions of the economy, they want a reasonable deal done sooner than later.
Playing waiting games will not be in the best intersts of the player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will be the final year that many if nor all baseball owners will feel they are at the beckon call of a Scott Boras.<br />
His clients will tell him under the conditions of the economy, they want a reasonable deal done sooner than later.<br />
Playing waiting games will not be in the best intersts of the player.</p>
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		<title>By: Fredo Corleone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredo Corleone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The worst that can happen if we sign three Type A free agents, who were offered but declined arbitration is our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Correct?&quot;

Yeah, I believe so. How those picks are dispersed is a matter of Elias rankings I think. Sabathia would be #1, followed by Burnett and Sheets if I remember the rankings correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The worst that can happen if we sign three Type A free agents, who were offered but declined arbitration is our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Correct?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, I believe so. How those picks are dispersed is a matter of Elias rankings I think. Sabathia would be #1, followed by Burnett and Sheets if I remember the rankings correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Trader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee Trader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Fredo-

If we sign Burnett and Sabathia, does Toronto get the Yankees 1st pick, having had a worse record than the Brewers or do the Brewers get the 1st pick with Sabathia rated as a higher Type A than Burnett?

The worst that can happen if we sign three Type A free agents, who were offered but declined arbitration is our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Fredo-</p>
<p>If we sign Burnett and Sabathia, does Toronto get the Yankees 1st pick, having had a worse record than the Brewers or do the Brewers get the 1st pick with Sabathia rated as a higher Type A than Burnett?</p>
<p>The worst that can happen if we sign three Type A free agents, who were offered but declined arbitration is our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Correct?</p>
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		<title>By: OldYanksFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldYanksFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Abreu’s fielding was lousy this year, but i’d much rather have him than either of these guys. Abreu’s versatile in that he has power, walks, hits for average, hustles, steals bases – a nice ballplayer.&quot;

George - You are correct that Bobby is still an above average player and has some fine attributes. However, last year his defense was horrible, and rated at -28 runs. 
You simply can&#039;t ignor the effect his defense has on winning (or losing) games. So, based on last year&#039;s salary, we have:

Player .OPS Defen Age Pay
ADunn: .898 .Poor 29 $13m
Abreu: .843 Worst 34 $16m

Now I&#039;m not advocating getting Dunn... just saying for the money, there are better alternatives to Bobby. Plus, due to age and being in YS, Dunn has a better chance of outperforming his last year. If we did get Dunn, he could play 1st with Swisher in RF. Swisher, if he posts a .800ish OPS, considering defense, MAY be as valuable as Bobby for $10m less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Abreu’s fielding was lousy this year, but i’d much rather have him than either of these guys. Abreu’s versatile in that he has power, walks, hits for average, hustles, steals bases – a nice ballplayer.&#8221;</p>
<p>George &#8211; You are correct that Bobby is still an above average player and has some fine attributes. However, last year his defense was horrible, and rated at -28 runs.<br />
You simply can&#8217;t ignor the effect his defense has on winning (or losing) games. So, based on last year&#8217;s salary, we have:</p>
<p>Player .OPS Defen Age Pay<br />
ADunn: .898 .Poor 29 $13m<br />
Abreu: .843 Worst 34 $16m</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m not advocating getting Dunn&#8230; just saying for the money, there are better alternatives to Bobby. Plus, due to age and being in YS, Dunn has a better chance of outperforming his last year. If we did get Dunn, he could play 1st with Swisher in RF. Swisher, if he posts a .800ish OPS, considering defense, MAY be as valuable as Bobby for $10m less.</p>
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		<title>By: Fredo Corleone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fredo Corleone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When you wake up, tell me what compensation the Yankees would have to give the Brewers if they signed both Sabathia and Sheets.&quot;

YT:

In the scenario you describe, the Brewers would get the Yankees 1st and 2nd round picks plus two sandwich picks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When you wake up, tell me what compensation the Yankees would have to give the Brewers if they signed both Sabathia and Sheets.&#8221;</p>
<p>YT:</p>
<p>In the scenario you describe, the Brewers would get the Yankees 1st and 2nd round picks plus two sandwich picks.</p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Trader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee Trader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete and others-

When you wake up, tell me what compensation the Yankees would have to give the Brewers if they signed both Sabathia and Sheets. Sabathia rated higher than Sheets, so does that mean the Brewers get the Yankees 1st round pick for Sabathia+ a sandwich pick and then the Brewers get the Yankees 2nd round pick for Sheets? Would they also get the Yankees 3rd round pick for Sheets, or another sandwich pick between 2nd and 3rd rounds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete and others-</p>
<p>When you wake up, tell me what compensation the Yankees would have to give the Brewers if they signed both Sabathia and Sheets. Sabathia rated higher than Sheets, so does that mean the Brewers get the Yankees 1st round pick for Sabathia+ a sandwich pick and then the Brewers get the Yankees 2nd round pick for Sheets? Would they also get the Yankees 3rd round pick for Sheets, or another sandwich pick between 2nd and 3rd rounds?</p>
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		<title>By: ham fighters</title>
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		<dc:creator>ham fighters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the yankees went into this winter looking to shift emphasis from scoring runs to preventing runs and they wanted to cut payroll significantly.  not offering arbitration to pettitte and abreu fits this goal perfectly.  Lets face it, either guy would have taken the arbitration, so the yankees would have been on the hook for 32-38 million for those two.

  if pettitte had pitched for say the indians and finished the season the way he did, (especially considering that he&#039;s always been a better 2nd half pitcher) then there&#039;s no way you&#039;d even think of offering him anywhere near $16M.  he&#039;s looking for a legacy payraise.  only thing is he broke the chain a long time ago when he went to houston b/c the yankees didn&#039;t come running after him with buckets of money quick enough.

abreu helped the offense a ton, but was a total defensive liability who&#039;s skills are eroding before our eyes. 

we didnt miss out on any draft picks, both these guys would&#039;ve taken arbitration, so we only lost out the chance to way overpay two fading former all-stars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the yankees went into this winter looking to shift emphasis from scoring runs to preventing runs and they wanted to cut payroll significantly.  not offering arbitration to pettitte and abreu fits this goal perfectly.  Lets face it, either guy would have taken the arbitration, so the yankees would have been on the hook for 32-38 million for those two.</p>
<p>  if pettitte had pitched for say the indians and finished the season the way he did, (especially considering that he&#8217;s always been a better 2nd half pitcher) then there&#8217;s no way you&#8217;d even think of offering him anywhere near $16M.  he&#8217;s looking for a legacy payraise.  only thing is he broke the chain a long time ago when he went to houston b/c the yankees didn&#8217;t come running after him with buckets of money quick enough.</p>
<p>abreu helped the offense a ton, but was a total defensive liability who&#8217;s skills are eroding before our eyes. </p>
<p>we didnt miss out on any draft picks, both these guys would&#8217;ve taken arbitration, so we only lost out the chance to way overpay two fading former all-stars.</p>
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		<title>By: gianthinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>gianthinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sabathia+Sheets!!!  Sabathia+Sheets!!!  Ca$hman, sign Sabathia+Sheets!!!

Sabathia, Sheets, Wang, Joba, Hughes/Pettitte = WS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sabathia+Sheets!!!  Sabathia+Sheets!!!  Ca$hman, sign Sabathia+Sheets!!!</p>
<p>Sabathia, Sheets, Wang, Joba, Hughes/Pettitte = WS</p>
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		<title>By: nyyfaninlaaland</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyyfaninlaaland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no. 27 - 

that&#039;s merely the rule on what must be paid if players with non-guaranteed contracts are terminated by those dates. Not sure how or if it applies, but there is a sufficient demonstrated skill provision in the uniform player contract that could lead to a grievance procedure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no. 27 &#8211; </p>
<p>that&#8217;s merely the rule on what must be paid if players with non-guaranteed contracts are terminated by those dates. Not sure how or if it applies, but there is a sufficient demonstrated skill provision in the uniform player contract that could lead to a grievance procedure.</p>
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