A couple of updates …
-
- December
- 3
Sorry for the lack of posts today. I’ve been in the office figuring out the wonders of the iPhone. I think it’s going to help the blog incredibly.
Meanwhile, a few things for you:
If you’re interested in the back-and-forth between NYC and the Yankees regarding the use of a luxury box, the news staff at The Journal News obtained the e-mails. They can be downloaded via this link. Warning, it’s a 5 MB download and it would take a while to go through it all.
Meanwhile, Mark Feinsand of the News reported today that the Braves could be willing to give A.J. Burnett a five-year deal. The first thing that came to mind is that would be a break for the Yankees. It gets him out of the league for starters and it removes the temptation to give him a five-year deal that could be a disaster given his history. Burnett can be great, but he’s not worth that kind of commitment.
This entry was posted
on Wednesday, December 3rd, 2008 at 1:24 pm by Peter Abraham.
You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed.
Print This Post
| 
Email This Post
Peter Abraham
Thanks, Pete.
As long as AJ’s out of the AL East, that’s fine.
I still think the Yankees will be in play. Although AJ would have success in the NL similar to CC & Johan. Like a hot knife through butter.
O/T, but did you guys hear about the Daily News exposing how flawed the system in NYC is? They actually transferred the deed to the Empire State Building to themselves. Only took 90 minutes.
Manny and Burnett not going to Boston or Tampa (Manny ain’t going to either team) would be a good enough excuse not to commit too much time and buckage to either of their risks.
How does that remove the incentive for the Yanks to give him a 5 year deal? Won’t they feel compelled to match other offers?
I’d just as soon see Burnett go to the NL. The Yankees win twice on that – no longer have to face him and don’t have to take the calculated injury risk of signing him.
I don’t really like any of the pitching options for the Yankees for next season. It’s going to be one of those hold your nose, cross your fingers plunges!
So if you remove Burnett from equation, who do you predict as the 1-5?
Page 36 is interesting.
Sheets is. Not a five year deal but if you’re gonna take a chance on a health risk you take a risk on an ace not a #2/#3. I’d prefer if Ca$hman signed CC to a 5, 6, 7 year deal (whatever it takes because we need a true ace, he’s young, he’s a workhorse and he’s a lefty so its worth it for the Yanks to overpay for him) and Sheets to a 3 year deal.
CC, Wang, Sheets, Joba, Hughes/Pettitte…. That’s pretty nasty.
Plus, if we could sign those two AND get Pettitte to come back we’d have the luxury of giving Hughes another year to develop and he could always be used if Sheets did end up getting hurt. I just think Sheets has such an upside and can be gotten for cheaper than he should that he’d be the first guy I’d target after CC.
57 to.
wow what a bunch of greedy jerks
Gifford,
No, I don’t think the Yankees are incented to match a silly offer for Burnett, especially since the offer is coming from an NL team (e.g. he won’t go to Boston and hurt us). Rather he will hurt ATL when they are paying him to be on the DL for 5 years. 5 years is a huge time commitment. If we went to 5 with Pavano, we would still be paying him for ‘09!!
I agree Pete. Something tells me with Burnett we are entering into another Pavano type deal…does great in his contract year and then falls a part. I’d rather have a Brad Penny or Jon Garland,Derek Lowe or Andy. And for some reason Peavy may still be an option with a package although we know he doesn’t like the American league. We need solid innings guys who can get to the seventh inning. However it does ratchet up the pressure to get CC.
page 101 looks like Mets made same deal yet it is not a story. Also the Mets are taking 400 million from American tax payers and there is hardly any outcry.
Gifford –
It’s not worth offering Burnett 5 years (expecting 2 or 3 healthy ones) just to keep him from pitching well in Boston (and against us) for the same 2 or 3 healthy years he’d have out of the 5 he’d get there.
Atlanta’s goin buck wild! They must really want their man. Still, the only report is from Feinsand so take that for whatever it’s worth. Why would the Braves suddenly offer 5 yrs when the longest contract being offered is currently 6 and to a guy who is the epitome of health?
But if it does turn out to be the case, will CC’s agent turn around and demand 7 yrs?
Seems like CC still only has two offers… Brewers and Yankees. They aren’t in the same galaxy.
Your tax dollars at work. Instead of trying to inprove the city, they are arguing back and forth with the Yankees. NICE!!!!!
Joesph Gunn page 118 is a total jerk.
Much too much talk about Burnett’s history. He’s healthy now. He has great stuff — as good as anyone in baseball. And he finally learned to put it all together last year. Big mistake to let Burnett go, especially where CC doesn’t want to come here. I’d much rather give Burnett five years than 3 years to Lowe. Or even two years to Garland. Burnett and CC are the only pitchers who can match up with the aces of Boston and Tampa. Huge mistake to let this guy go. Yanks seem headed for mediocrity.
page 134 Joseph Gunn whining about no food. NICE
Didn’t see new Pete post…
Pedroia’s deal is one of the 4 biggest non-arbitration contracts given (Hanley, David Wright and Ryan Braun got the others)
Here’s the deal:
2009 $1.5 million
2010 $3.5 million
2011 $5.5 million
2012 $8 million
2013 $10 million
2014 $10 million
2015 $11 million option that becomes $13 million with another MVP win.
Blog raises the question of what the Sox do now with Papelbon and Youkilis who are both arbitration eligible.
http://insidethesox.blogspot.com/2008/12/sox-lock-up-pedroia.html
151 seth pinsky crying he didn’t get a golden shovel or get paid. Yet he is talking about sitting in a luxury box on opening day. Says that is city work for you. Oh really. This is making me sick!
The first think that comes to my mind is Hampton. They must love albotross deals.
Pete,
There is absolutely no reason to think sheets is more injury prone than burnett. If the yanks cant get either of them, is lowe next in line? I cant imagine he is any less of a risk given his age and terrible stats his last two years in the AL. Burnett and Sheets could easily get injured in their deals but lowe could easily be so ineffective that he is worthless. Sheets i think would be the best deal for the yanks considering his extremely low value in a bad economy. He is going to cost half what he would have last season and about 1/10th what he would have costs after the 2004 season. Thats why i think the yanks cant really lose out horribly – even if he gets injured- it w ould only be a two year deal most likely.
raises the question of what the Sox do now with Papelbon and Youkilis who are both arbitration eligible.
I believe Youkilis will sign a huge deal, but Papelbon will rake them over the coals.
Papelbon will hold out for free agency as Rivera will be near retirement then.
So earlier today Wave Your Hat made a post saying that if the Yankees sign Sabathia, Lowe/Burnett, Pettitte, a bench player and trade for Mike Cameron there is no way they can stay at $180 million in payroll. At first I looked at his post and thought he was wrong so I did some number crunching. This is what I came up with.
Last year on opening day the payroll was:
Alex Rodriguez $28,000,000
Jason Giambi $23,428,571
Derek Jeter $21,600,000
Bobby Abreu $16,000,000
dl-Andy Pettitte $16,000,000
Mariano Rivera $15,000,000
Jorge Posada $13,100,000
Johnny Damon $13,000,000
Hideki Matsui $13,000,000
Mike Mussina $11,071,030
dl-Carl Pavano $11,000,000
Kyle Farnsworth $5,916,667
Chien-Ming Wang $4,000,000
LaTroy Hawkins $3,750,000
Robinson Cano $3,000,000
Jose Molina $1,875,000
Morgan Ensberg $1,750,000
dl-Andrew Brackman $1,184,788
Wilson Betemit $1,165,000
Brian Bruney $725,000
Billy Traber $500,000
Melky Cabrera $461,200
Phil Hughes $406,350
Shelley Duncan $398,300
dl-Sean Henn $397,448
Ian Kennedy $394,275
dl-Jeff Karstens $393,300
Jonathan Albaladejo $393,225
Ross Ohlendorf $391,425
Joba Chamberlain $390,000
dl-Humberto Sanchez $390,000
Total: $209,081,579
If the Yankees don’t sign anyone the 2009 payroll would be:
Alex Rodriguez $32,000,000
Derek Jeter $21,600,000
Robinson Cano $6,000,000
Nick Swisher $5,300,000
Johnny Damon $13,000,000
Xavier Nady $8,000,000
Brett Gardner $400,000
Hideki Matsui $13,000,000
Jorge Posada $13,100,000
Chien-Ming Wang $6,000,000
Joba Chamberlain $425,000
Alfredo Aceves $400,000
Phil Hughes $415,000
Ian Kennedy $410,000
Mariano Rivera $15,000,000
Damaso Marte $3,750,000
Brian Bruney $2,000,000
Jose Veras $475,000
Mark Melancon $390,000
Phil Coke $400,000
Dan Giese $420,000
Juan Miranda $400,000
Cody Ransom $475,000
Melky Cabrera $490,000
Jose Molina $1,000,000
Total: $144,850,000
If the Yanks sign Sabathia, Lowe, Pettitte, trade for a bench player like Wigginton and trade for Cameron the 2009 payroll would be:
Alex Rodriguez $32,000,000
Derek Jeter $21,600,000
Robinson Cano $6,000,000
Nick Swisher $5,300,000
Johnny Damon $13,000,000
Xavier Nady $8,000,000
Mike Cameron $7,000,000
Hideki Matsui $13,000,000
Jorge Posada $13,100,000
CC Sabathia $23,300,000
Chien-Ming Wang $6,000,000
Derek Lowe $15,000,000
Andy Pettitte $12,000,000
Joba Chamberlain $425,000
Mariano Rivera $15,000,000
Damaso Marte $3,750,000
Brian Bruney $2,000,000
Edwar Ramirez $415,000
Mark Melancon $390,000
Phil Coke $400,000
Alfredo Aceves $400,000
Juan Miranda $400,000
Ty Wigginton $6,000,000
Melky Cabrera $490,000
Jose Molina $1,000,000
Total: $205,970,000
Turns out Wave Your Hat was correct. Even if the Yanks don’t get Cameron the payroll would still be around 200 million. If they don’t get Wigginton it would be 193 million.
A few notes about my calculations. I had to guess on arbitration numbers for Bruney, Nady, Wigginton and Wang. I also made very rough guesses on the guys that are ~minimum salary. Usually the Yankees give the guys near minimum a raise based on service time.
Sorry for the long post but I thought it was interesting.
thanks for the cliff’s notes version jennifer. i don’t have the patience to read through all of that…
i guess refreshing this blog every 5 minutes will not make CC sign on the dotted line any faster.
oh well…i tried.
How Do , The Yankees need C.C. and A.J.
Not Lowe and Pettitte or Garland . They need top of the line starters . If they pass on A.J. I hope they have a deal lined up for Peavy or Bedard .
C.C. A.J. Wang Joba Hughes / Kennedy would be fine with me .
Very Nice !!!!
Let’s get back to this Pedroia contract. Great move by the Sox. If they look to extend the same type of deal to Youklis, who just seems to keep getting better, then they’re really laying some great groundwork.
I’ve got to say they’re really running that team well up in Boston.
They have very few holes. Great pitching currently, and on the way. Shoring up their bullpen. Good mix of veterans and youngsters. Their ballpark is a major asset for them. Reminds me of somebody from the late ninties…hmmm.
The Yankees are in a bit of a pickle here and are going to have to take some risks to stay in the game. They need to be well thought out risks though. I’m slightly concerned.
IF Joba steps up, and Hughes or Kennedy, things could look a little brighter. But man, that’s a big IF.
in terms of team friendly contracts nothing beats Evan Longoria’s deal with the Rays. Nine years for $44 million total.
The Pedroia deal sounds like he might give up his part time job . . . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD_bqXMO5aY
The big salary snag is a year ago the Yankees thought they were going to have 3 starting rotation spots in 2009 making less than $2 million total. That not happening could end up adding $30-50 million to this years payroll.
Tom
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:15 pm
in terms of team friendly contracts nothing beats Evan Longoria’s deal with the Rays. Nine years for $44 million total.
————————————————————
Tom, I left you some info on Montero/Romine back in that subject about an hour and a half ago. I can repost it or you can flip back to it.
If the Yankees sign Sabathia, Burnett/Lowe, and one or two bench players they will be around $180 million in payroll. I don’t think they have enough money to bring back Pettitte. I think a guy like Aceves or Hughes will start the season in the rotation. Maybe Paul Byrd or some other cheap option will be signed. I also think Gardner is going to be the CF. With the revamped rotation and bench, I don’t think they can afford Cameron. And finally, there is no possible way they can afford Teixeira and Sabathia.
Boston deserves credit for the Pedroia signing.
But before we annoint them a Yankee style dynasty one needs to look at the holes on their roster. Who is their catcher? Who is their shortstop? Who is the centerfielder? Who is their 8th inning set up man? The 90’s Yankees has those questions pretty much sown
up.
The Red Sox missed Manny in the playoffs. As a matter of fact, they havent won without Manny since…gasp…1918. News flash: Manny isn’t going to be in Boston in ‘09.However, if the Red Sox sign Teixeira, the balance certainly could shift.
“But before we annoint them a Yankee style dynasty one needs to look at the holes on their roster. Who is their catcher? Who is their shortstop? Who is the centerfielder??
Lowrie’s their SS and Ellsbury’s the CF. No clue who will catch. I think Varitek will decline arbitration but find there isn’t much of a market and go back to Boston for a year.
I think the funny thing about the easy fix is that the cost of Marte, Swisher, and Burnett/Lowe is more than Teixeira. So what would help the Yankees more?
For the 09 season, it’s probably a toss up. Marte is a good reliever, but the Yankees have so many good bullpen arms. I think the Yankees definitely could have gotten 2 picks for him if they offered him arbitration.
Burnett or Lowe is obviously a more reliable option than going with Hughes/Aceves. At the same time, a rotation of CC, Wang, Pettitte, Hughes/Aceves, and Joba is really good, and a huge improvement over last year. Next year, CC, Wang, Joba, and Hughes make up a really strong 1-4, so at best Burnett or Lowe would be a 4th starter.
Next part to look at is Tex vs Swisher. Tex provides an excellent switch hitting bat at the 3 spot and gold glove defense at first base. Swisher is probably a 6th hitter and had the lowest batting average in baseball last year. Supposedly he’s got a good glove at first base, but it’s not as good as Tex’s. Next year’s offense with the “easy fix” is Jeter, A-Rod, Cano, Posada, and Swisher – weak. An offensive core of Jeter, Tex, A-Rod, Cano, and Posada is much stronger.
So for 2010, going with this easy fix gives them a full rotation but a real need for a big bat or two. Signing CC, Tex, and Pettitte would have given the Yankees a need for a 5th starter but no need for any offensive players. They could put Austin Jackson and Bret Gardner/Melky in the outfield with a decent free agent and still have a ridiculous offense.
Good story that gives a little incite into Teixeira.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/lee_jenkins/12/03/teixeira.boras/?eref=sircrc
saucY
No problem. I skimmed it.
GB, Thanks again.
If Burnett goes to Atlanta it’s sort of addition by subtraction for the Yankees. He always pitched well against the Yankees.
Not a problem, Tom. Made the comment at 12:36 to Fredo. I’ll repost if you can’t find it. I still believe that Montero will be the future catcher with his backup being Romine, who will be a corner outfielder. He could even play 3rd, I believe. I likre him in right field, though.
no. 27,
Lets say the Yanks trade Nady, sign Sabathia, sign Teixeira and sign Pettitte. Hughes or Aceves would fill out the last spot in the rotation and Swisher would be moved to RF. The payroll would still be above $190 million and there would be no bench. Not to mention a weak back end of the rotation with 2 guys that can’t throw 200 innings in 2009. I really don’t think this is a viable option.
The bench needs to be addressed this offseason. A weak bench really hurt the Yankees in 2008. We can’t just ignore it when looking at what the team could look like in 2009.
Just say “no” to Derek Lowe. (Would have been good advice to Carolyn Hughes.) I agree w/Viridian re.: Burnett & 5 years, but after watching both Lowe & Garland out here last year, I’d prefer Garland.
“Just say “no” to Derek Lowe. (Would have been good advice to Carolyn Hughes.) I agree w/Viridian re.: Burnett & 5 years, but after watching both Lowe & Garland out here last year, I’d prefer Garland.”
I only prefer Garland over Lowe because he’s younger. Garland had good stuff, but I think he was overused by CWS and that stuff has diminished. I wouldn’t turn my nose up at him though.
MLB Trade Rumors has a snippet that says Sheets might accept arb.
So what happens if Burnett goes to Atlanta, Sheet takes arb and Lowe goes to the Sox.
Providing the Yankees get CC, do they then just go after Tex?
CC & Tex + Pettitte. Is that enough?
Patrick,
Based on the numbers you posted, Here’s what I figure the payroll would have been by signing CC, Tex, and Pettitte, letting Marte go in arbitration, and not trading for Swisher.
Payroll if the Yankees don’t sign anyone: $144,850,000
Now, take out Swisher and Marte: $135,800,000
Now, add CC for $23.3 mil, Tex for $20 mil, and Pettitte for $11mil and you’ve got: $190,100,000.
So, the Yankees cut almost $20 million from the pay roll, which is really more like $40 million when you consider the cap tax they have to pay. Then you have over $40 million freed up the following year with the only holes on the team being bottom of the lineup hitters and a 5th starter.
“Providing the Yankees get CC, do they then just go after Tex?”
I highly doubt it.
“CC & Tex + Pettitte. Is that enough?”
Enough for what? Regardless, I don’t think the Yankees can afford all 3 players.
no. 27, you ignored my main points. Your proposed plan still leaves them with Hughes/Aceves as the fifth starter, no bench and a gaping hole in CF.
If Burnett doesn’t come to NY, I’d prefer him to go to the NL. I’ll agree that much.
Unless and until CC signs with NY though, I wouldn’t rule out a NYY 5 year offer to Burnett regardless of how reluctant they correctly are to go that route. You can prefer Lowe over Burnett based on cost and required years when you are trying to fill the number 3 or 4 position in the rotation. Lowe isn’t a good option to be a #1 or a #2 though, they will be much more aggressive after Burnett if CC signs elsewhere. I know NY looks like the high bidder and there aren’t many other rumored suitors other than Milwuakee but until he signs you can’t count on it.
Even if you write off this year, next year’s free agent SP crop is headed by John Lackey with Rich Harden and Erik Bedard the next best options (assuming the options of Beckett, Webb, Lee and Hudson are picked up). That’s a pretty thin crop. I think absent signing CC, they will have to be aggressive in pursuing trades and be much more flexible regarding the fifth year for Burnett.
This is why it was a colossal error to not acquire Santana when they had a chance. Ace starting pitchers in their prime are hard to acquire. When you have a chance you pull the trigger.
Patrick,
Thanks for that breakdown.
With Swisher at 1st, it’s a 65$ mil infield. Now that’s value you can write home about.
I just don’t see how they stay at 180 mil with their current needs. Unless they throw Hughes, Aceves etc to the lions again.
“So what happens if Burnett goes to Atlanta, Sheet takes arb and Lowe goes to the Sox.”
I’ve read where Lowe says he’d like to play in Boston. Has anyone seen anything to suggest reciprocal interest???
You know I avoid the sniping on here when I’m fortunate enough to have time to post. But what do you think I mean by “enough” Patrick?
Enough to contend.
Enough to compete.
Enough to win.
Will those three players be ENOUGH of a difference maker. Come on man.
“I just don’t see how they stay at 180 mil with their current needs. Unless they throw Hughes, Aceves etc to the lions again. ”
Unfortunately, I think you are right.
I’m starting to think that the Steinbrenners and Cashman might be getting desperate to reduce the payroll with the economy the way it is. That luxury tax has got to hurt right now. Could Cashman really start the season with Chamberlain and Hughes/Aceves/Kennedy in the rotation? Maybe Pete is on the right track when he suggests that they sign a cheap option like Paul Byrd or Brad Penny.
Well Mr. Exceptional I think those players would be enough to make the playoffs but not enough to win the world series.
Alrighty then…works for me. Unless you’re a totally dominating team these days, winning the World Series is a crap shoot.
Fredo Corleone
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:08 pm
“So what happens if Burnett goes to Atlanta, Sheet takes arb and Lowe goes to the Sox.”
I’ve read where Lowe says he’d like to play in Boston. Has anyone seen anything to suggest reciprocal interest???
Yes, the bars & clubs in Boston can’t wait.They miss him.
If Cashman wants another .240 to .250 centerfielder with declining skills, he should go ahead and trade for Cameron and pay him 10mil….nice way to “control payroll”. On second thought he has a .240 to .250 option on the roster who plays a sound centerfield!!! The only way this goes down is if CC requests it….then consider it as additional cost of CC.
Is Michael Kay really this dense?
The market for free-agent outfielder Adam Dunn is starting to take shape.
The Braves, Mariners and Nationals are among the teams interested in Dunn, major-league sources say, and his list of suitors could grow quickly.
Dunn, 29, also represents a fallback position for the Dodgers if they lose Manny Ramirez and the Angels if they lose Mark Teixeira.
**The Yankees, too, could emerge as an option if they strike out on the top free-agent starting pitchers.**
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8885188/Market-shaping-up-for-Adam-Dunn?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49
Ariel,
Cameron is locked in at 7 million this year and I’d like to see some evidence that his skills are declining. His defense is above average and he can still hit for power.
Gardner/Cabrera would be lucky to put up a .700 OPS or better. Cameron would have to be incredibly unlucky to do any worse than .750 OPS. He is more likely to put up another season at around .800 OPS.
CF is the weakest position on the Yankees at the moment and Cameron is an above average CF (offensively and defensively). Getting him to upgrade the position would be a really great move.
If the Braves sign AJ they are simply nuts (Remember the guy they traded for Mike Hampton?). I would be happy to see him in the AL, so the Yankees do not face him. On the other hand, his contract will affect everyone else, so it would be a double edged sword if he got five years in Atlanta.
I think the way that Cashman is handling the off season merits a grade of A+. He is not spending crazy money on the likes of Pettitte and Abreu, and is willing to wait it out for the real elite players out there (CC and Tex).
I think that you are finally seeing the end of stupid contracts for second tier players (Like Pavano), and (or) malcontents and Prima Donna’s (Like Marbury or Burress) (I wish Arod could take his act somewhere else, but no such luck in this case). No one minds elite players who make positive impacts on and off the field, getting what they deserve. But hopefully, this economy will create the day when the inmates stop running the asylum, and sanity will return to sports.
CC & Tex + Pettitte. Is that enough?
- – - – - – - – - – - – - -
It should be all that’s necessary. Outfield defense has questions but the perfect team doesn’t exist. Not every ball is hit in a gap or over a wall.
Anyone else actually go through all those email exchanges between the Yankees and NYC? Beyond the fact that I can’t believe everyone’s email address was published (Lonn Trost’s email is actually ltrost@yankees.com??), that had to be some of the funniest stuff I’ve ever read… the back and forth over “chicken wings” at one point had me rolling on the floor.
At one point, one of the NYC guys emails the Yankees guy and asks him if he finally agrees to all the terms, so they can “take this off our list of irritants”… the guy emails back saying “Im sorry but please include this on your list”… LOL.. just great stuff.
francessa says again he would trade hughes and ajax in a second for mclouth…yeesh
“francessa says again he would trade hughes and ajax in a second for mclouth…yeesh”
sigh. his love for mcclouth just wont die.
Um, is no one going to even mention the fact that the Brewers placed Salomon Torres on the voluntarily retired list?
The dominoes have begun to fall.
One thing I don’t understand is why people consider Boston to have “great” pitching, when Beckett is mediocre to “good” at best, Wakefield is at his end, and Lester is “good” at best. Who are these amazing pitchers? Daisuke walks WAY too many people and has not had that much success.
Where are these great pitchers?
I don’t see them.
“I want McLouth, I want Mclouth. Whatever players it takes, I want McLouth”
congratulations Mike Francessa. You’re a complete idiot.
Upgrading the bench is very important. Jeter, Damon, and Matsui are all going to be 35 next season. You can’t expect those 3 to play 150+ games next season.
Plus if you factor in their injury history….
“congratulations Mike Francessa. You’re a complete idiot.”
he achieved that feat a long time ago. its just that he was always masked by the even bigger idiot, Mr. Russo.
now that he’s solo, he’s got nowhere to hide.
i really do find amusement in his McLouth obsession.
“Um, is no one going to even mention the fact that the Brewers placed Salomon Torres on the voluntarily retired list?”
Is there an “involuntarily retired list”? If there is why haven’t the Yankees used it for Igawa yet?
Francesa a complete clown is willing to trade Hughes & Jackson for McClouth.
ed- yes it will. He had this man love for Arroyo, now Nate has taken over. He’ll find someone else to put his undying love for.
“francessa says again he would trade hughes and ajax in a second for mclouth…yeesh”
McLouth might need to file a restraining order against francesa..
Hey they went 17-9 in Sep with Aceves, Pavano and Ponson.
We’re just lovin Flyboy McToy and his 300 mil now!
Anyone remember the days when 200 mil would at least give you a bonfide contender!
CC alone will bring them close to 170 mil. If anybody at this point posts how they’re still going to land CC,a solid #3 and Manny or Tex… well they’re bein just plain ol’ naive.
Listening to francesca, wants to trade hughes and jackson to pirates for mclouth. Murti says that he wants to trade them for a guy that has had one career year.
I wonder who will be Francesa’s new love for 2009?
Any ideas?
Patrick,
Point 1: CC, Wang, Pettitte, Hughes/Aceves, and Joba is a weak rotation.
Lets say the Yankees get 32 starts from CC, Wang, and Pettitte and 22 starts from Joba. Thats 118 starts from very good pitchers. That leaves 44 starts between Hughes, Aceves, Kennedy, Coke, or anyone else that the Yankees have. If there’s an injury, they could make a trade for a 5th starter like the Red Sox did for Byrd last year.
Point 2: There’s a big hole in CF.
I think with a lineup of Damon, Jeter, Tex, A-Rod, Matsui, Posada, Cano, and Nady, they can have one weak hitter in their lineup. Gardner and Melky play great defense and would be 9 hitters.
Point 3: The bench is weak.
If the Yankees are trying to cut their pay roll, I don’t see how they can put some all stars on the bench. The guys in the infield almost never sit out a game. Molina is a great backup catcher. They could probably use a 4th outfielder that could hit better, and maybe they’ll get one.
They aren’t going to put a perfect team together if they are seriously cutting payroll. All I’m saying is that for this year, and even more so for the next few years, the Yankees would have had a better team signing CC, Tex, and Pettitte than signing CC, Lowe/Burnett, Pettitte, resigning Marte, and trading for Swisher while spending the same amount of money or less.
“Upgrading the bench is very important. Jeter, Damon, and Matsui are all going to be 35 next season. You can’t expect those 3 to play 150+ games next season.
Plus if you factor in their injury history….”
There’s no point in this when you have a manager who doesn’t know how to use a bench. Don’t forget he had players sitting on there for weeks last season.
i think francesca has a man crush on mclouth. what an idiot
Oh lord Joba in the pen again. Here we go…
Jennifer -
if someone brings up Arroyo, he’s going to be all over him again.
Noooooooooooooooo
Joba is a starter you fat fool!
Tom
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Upgrading the bench is very important. Jeter, Damon, and Matsui are all going to be 35 next season. You can’t expect those 3 to play 150+ games next season.
Plus if you factor in their injury history….
————————————————————
I haven’t really looked to see who out there that can fill a role of a Randy Velarde….someone that can play all infield and at least two outfield spots, although Velarde could play center field, also. Some can pay most spots, but, hardly any of them can play shortstop, and none in center field. Miguel Cairo is probably the most versatile, just not great anywhere. NYY has a couple in the minors that could do that if a couple of years. Justin Snyder is one.
I’m not listening to Francessa but I’m guessing he’s having trouble filling up those 5 hours of airtime.
Ha ha Sweeny caught him: Francesa wants Sabathia Wang Lowe Pettitte Hughes and Joba in the pen.
Sweeny says “I thought you want to send Hughes to Pirates for McClouth” Francesa I’ll find another 5th starter.
Apparently Francesa thinks starters grow on trees.
“he achieved that feat a long time ago. its just that he was always masked by the even bigger idiot, Mr. Russo. Now that he’s solo, he’s got nowhere to hide”
true. and Mike Francessa is very arrogant, to boot
“I haven’t really looked to see who out there that can fill a role of a Randy Velarde”
Bloomquist could probably do that defensively. Certainly does not possess Velarde’s pop though.
GB,
how’s Justin Christian doing?
Actually, it sounds like filling 5 hours is pretty easy. One hour each on Arroyo, McClouth, and Joba-to-the-pen and then the remainibg two hours to cover the Mets, the rest of baseball, the NFL, the NBA, the NHL, other pro sports, and college sports if time permits.
Fredo,
at lest Willie could take pitches. I don’t think the fans would welcome him after what happened 2 years ago. the so-call “steal”.
Fredo Corleone
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:01 pm
“I haven’t really looked to see who out there that can fill a role of a Randy Velarde”
Bloomquist could probably do that defensively. Certainly does not possess Velarde’s pop though.
————————————————————
Perhaps. He has speed, but, absolutely no bat at all. Chone Figgins is possibly the best suited, but, you can’t spend that kind of money and talent to acquire him to be a utility player. I hate to mention his name, but, right now, possibly Uribe for the 3 or 4 infield spots, though, he’s not played first base.
Francessa is a fool. So why bother yourself and even tune him in? I ignore anything and everything from Francessa,Lupica and the ESPN.com fools. Francessa and Lupica both are overbearing blowhards.Why upset yourself? Ignore them. Your blood presure will thank you.
Ed – patience isn’t a virtue to some people
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:04 pm
GB,
how’s Justin Christian doing?
———————————————————–
Ed, Christian is pretty much just an outfielder, now. He wasn’t good at 2nd base at all. He does play all three outfield spots and is good on the corners and passible in center. He has a bat, really good gap power and great speed. I could see him as a platoon with Gardner.
GB,
I guess the experiement of Christian being verstile is over with?
It’s so nice the Steinbrothers and the rest of the family have you guys looking out for their millions. Keep in mind that the $ 180 M figure is a media creation that no one in the organization has ever mentioned. No team can “afford” to have everything and yet some of you immediately jump on # 5 starter and bench as major concerns IF they sign two FA pitchers AND Teixiera.
Some of you want five established starters, a great lineup, a beefed up bench and a payroll of $ 180 M. It ain’t happening. The payroll will be higher and there will still be gaps between the ideal and the reality.
That said AJ is a bigger risk than CC but a much lesser risk than Ben Sheets. In the last four years he’s made 18 more starts than Sheets, pitched 129 more innings and won 9 more games. I’d be happy to go into 2009 with either CC or AJ and Pettite joining Joba and Wang and letting the others compete for that # 5 job.
Unless you are willing to sign every FA pitche rin sight you will always have to take leaps of faith with young players. Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves are all better prepared for that opportunitiy/challenge than they were a year ago.
And then there’s the trade market.
I enjoy a robust debate of the pros and cons of any individual acquisition, but the financial obsession is tiresome. We have no idea what the limit is, so why spend so much time worrying about who is worth what? If Cashman or Hal were to announce a set payroll then such discussions would at least mean something.
Think your havin a bad day? How wouldya like to be ex-Met hero Art Shamsky today?
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12032008/gossip/pagesix/sex_suit_hits_ex_met_shamsky_141923.htm
Something tells me that in 30 years we’ll be reading somethin like this about our 3rd baseman LOL
Ed – patience isn’t a virtue to some people
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:15 pm
GB,
I guess the experiement of Christian being verstile is over with?
————————————————————
Pretty much, yeah. Maybe in a severe emergency. He’s really hitting well in Mexico and is stealing everything not nailed down with a few homers and doubles.
how about ransom? he played all four infield spots last year. now it is jeter in CF. sheesh. Oh, here we go, Jeter to 3rd and Arod to 1st. Wait, jeter to 1st now.
Wow, a revelation, Jeter is older.
SHOCKING!!!!!
Drive 4-5
Slander is always funny and in such ggod taste. You are a class act, for sure.
GB, thanks. I hope he makes the team if Melky is traded then. He does have some potential, a bit of a late bloomer.
Yankees 4ever,
Ransom should had made the team over Betemit during spring training.
McClouth has, by far, the worst defensive rating of any other CF in baseball, according to Bill James. Its not even close. The man has zero range and is vastly overrated, even in Pittsburgh.
“Jeter to 3rd and Arod to 1st”
Cause 2 guys learning new positions is easier than 1 and putting the one with the better arm where he wouldn’t use it makes more sense?
Vrsce,
Didnt mean to offend anyone. Sorry if I did. I actually am a class act,albeit one with a sense of humor.
Let’s get back to beating up Cashman’s arbitration decisions ad nauseum
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=1114
Bronx Jeers
December 3rd, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Hey they went 17-9 in Sep with Aceves, Pavano and Ponson.
We’re just lovin Flyboy McToy and his 300 mil now!
Anyone remember the days when 200 mil would at least give you a bonfide contender!
CC alone will bring them close to 170 mil. If anybody at this point posts how they’re still going to land CC,a solid #3 and Manny or Tex… well they’re bein just plain ol’ naive.
————————————————————
sign cc,lowe,tex,trade damon & matsui.payroll at 184 million with cc getting 23 million,lowe getting 15 million & tex getting 22 million a year.
Drive 4-5
OK,
You have proven that you are a class act.
On the the hot stove.
Why would A-Rod leave 3rd base? A-Rod should be the 3rd baseman until he’s the DH. Jeter should play SS until he goes to LF.
“Hey they went 17-9 in Sep with Aceves, Pavano and Ponson.”
That was all Brett Gardner.
“sign cc,lowe,tex,trade damon & matsui.”
Lowe only wants to pitch for Boston. I rather keep Matsui, he’s a guaranteed RBI machine. 2006 and 2008 are just lost years for Matsui, look for him to bounce back in 2009.
I still believe that Ty Wigginton is the ideal utility man for the Yankees.
Cody Ransom did well with the opportunities he was given last September but I’m thinking over the long haul.
Nick,
don’t forget that Aceves won 1 game for the Yanks. lol
Vrsce,
Thanks. I’ll sleep tonight.
Ed – patience isn’t a virtue to some people
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
GB, thanks. I hope he makes the team if Melky is traded then. He does have some potential, a bit of a late bloomer.
————————————————————
Yeah, he started late after playing college ball at Auburn (scholarship as a shortstop) and transferred to Southern Missouri because John Schurholtz’ kid was playing shortstop…was undrafted, mainly from a torn labrum, and NYY signed him out of the Frontier League. He graduated from college and there were family issues that stalled him.
peter,
you may need something like this or a similar device
http://us.kensington.com/html/15462.html
or
http://www.3gjuice.com/
or
http://daringfireball.net/2008/11/richard_solo_1800
I always wondered why minor leaguers aren’t taught how to play 2 positions. Why can’t kids like Romaine and Montero learn how to play third and first too.
Yogi and Elston Howard played OF on days the didn’t catch. Why can’t prospects learn how to play other positions.
Drive 4-5
I trust you will dream about Madonna. A just result.
KennyH123, I just read the emails. A lot of them are pretty funny. Lonn Trost has a few good one liners. I love how one of the lawyers is depressed because he has to argue about chicken wings in the luxury box.
Drive 4-5
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Vrsce,
I actually am a class act,albeit one with a sense of humor.
————————————————————
Sorry for the delay is responding to this. Had to clean up the Coca Cola that got sprayed on my computer after reading this.
Nick in SF December 3rd, 2008 at 4:30 pm
“Hey they went 17-9 in Sep with Aceves, Pavano and Ponson.”
That was all Brett Gardner.
_—————————————–
are you serious?
Ed – patience isn’t a virtue to some people
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:30 pm
“sign cc,lowe,tex,trade damon & matsui.”
Lowe only wants to pitch for Boston. I rather keep Matsui, he’s a guaranteed RBI machine. 2006 and 2008 are just lost years for Matsui, look for him to bounce back in 2009.
————————————————————
i’d rather have tex.damon & matsui are gone after 09,tex upgrades our defense.replacing matsui with tex & swish sounds better.
someone asked how we can sign cc,a number 3 pitcher and a bat & this is one way.
if lowe doesn’t sign we look at perez,burnett,sheets,etc…..
Glenn
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I still believe that Ty Wigginton is the ideal utility man for the Yankees.
Cody Ransom did well with the opportunities he was given last September but I’m thinking over the long haul.
————————————————————
Wigginton can’t play shortstop, though.
GB,
The Royals are looking for some right hand relievers, who would you trade for who?
i have to agree with sweeny.no way yankees start the season with gardner in center.
Vrsce,
If I didnt know better, I’d say that’s slander. Hard to imagine something linked from a NY paper with a daily circulation of 700,000 and millions more on the ‘net would upset one.
I’ll be the bigger man here and opologize again.
Tom
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I always wondered why minor leaguers aren’t taught how to play 2 positions. Why can’t kids like Romaine and Montero learn how to play third and first too.
Yogi and Elston Howard played OF on days the didn’t catch. Why can’t prospects learn how to play other positions.
————————————————————
That’s happening in the minors like Low a Ball. I look for Romine to start moving to other spots, as well as Snyder, who has a good bat and speed. Montero couldget a few games at first, but, although he has ok speed and he’s not exactly an ice wagon plug, it’s not enough to play a big outfield like left field in Yankee Stadium or a big right field like Fenway.
“i’d rather have tex.damon & matsui are gone after 09,tex upgrades our defense.replacing matsui with tex & swish sounds better.”
no duh, Damon and Mastui are gone after 09. Matsui is most likely retire after this season. Until then, who knows who would be our next DH? As for Swisher, he’s a 1B gold glove caliber player, he done some plays that Teixiera couldn’t do. Don’t get me wrong, I would like to have Teixiera but his contract isn’t worth it. I rather sign Adam Dunn, and have him be the DH in 2010 despite his high Ks and bad defense, the short right porch will do him good.
If the yanks dont give Lowe 15 million which is a waste of about 14.5 million and they dont trade for wigginton’s 6 million to sit on the bench to start the season, the yanks could do a little more.
The salary now is about 142 million plus CC Sabathia could take 140 million for 6 years which would probably be backloaded and he would make about 20 million. Tex could take up to 8 years and 160 million and make around 20 million as well putting us at 182 million. That gives us about 20 million to use to re-sign pettitte and sign another third starter. Pettitte should cost no more than 10 and I was hoping it would be more like 8. That gives us 10 to 12 million to spend on a third starter – not lowe or burnett or trade for a third starter with a decent salary.
That would put the yanks at around 200 million which is almost 10 million less than last season. if they want to decrease payroll by anymore, they should stop increasing ticket prices. I think no bench player should cost any more than 1 million and even that is pushing it. We have a backup catcher in molina, a backup infielder in ransom and a backup outfielder in gardner if we sign Tex and put swisher in the OF. Gardner also serves as a pinch runner and late defensive replacement.
All we really need is some righty power off the bench which could be found in the minor leagues. I am willing to agree that the yanks can cut payroll this off season but by no more than 10 million. If the yanks dont sign Tex, to keep the payroll under 180 million, they are really telling the fans that they are not doing everything in their power to win. i MEAN – The stadium will sell out no matter what and yankee fans are going to pay the higher price for the ticket so the only incentive the FO has to keep the payroll at around 200 million is if it helps us win. Tex will help us win so not signing him to drastically decrease payroll is not really sending the right message. Im sure some will disagree but facts are facts.
GB7,
May I hand you a virtual napkin? lol
Back to serious business here.I thought the Res Sox made a heck of deal with Pedroia. You wonder if his agent read some tea leaves and decided Pedroia’s violent swing might not hold up over time or something. The Yanks I thought made a good deal with Cano last year. This one is a little better.I think Robbie is going to have a very nice comeback season. Iy will be interesting to see how those deals compare 5 years from now.
Ed – patience isn’t a virtue to some people
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:38 pm
GB,
The Royals are looking for some right hand relievers, who would you trade for who?
————————————————————
Ed, that’s tough. DeJesus isn’t really any better in center than Damon, but, he would be a fallback. I really like having Ross Gload, who could get picked up for someone like Veras or possibly even Britton. He play a great first base and very good corner outfields. Good line drive hitter, especially in Yankee Stadium. He could hit 12-15 homers season and steal maybe 10 bases. As a full timer, you could get a Chris Chambliss type player on offense and defense.
Drive 4-5,
I’m still waiting for the day when the Sox will continue their traditon of trading their ROY. Their latest they traded away was Nomar Garciaparra.
Ed,
Tex is a two time gold glove winner with a career 996 fielding percentage. Swisher has never won a gold glove and had a career 994 fielding percentage. I don’t think swisher could do many if anything that tex could not do.
GB, Dankeschoen (I thank you so often I was getting bored of “thanks”).
It’s good to hear that versatility may be taught at the minor league level. I come from the school of thought that if you’re athletic enough you should be able to play just about anywhere. They just have to be coached.
Of course if the DH wasn’t around in the minor leagues players would have to learn how to play multiple spots. Pitchers would know how to hit too….
cano’s deal was a mistake – the yanks should have waited. That deal may have led to his bad season. He started to feel too comfortable. i dont have anything to back it up but i really think if that deal never happened, cano would have played better last season.
Drive 4-5
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:48 pm
GB7,
May I hand you a virtual napkin? lol
Back to serious business here.I thought the Res Sox made a heck of deal with Pedroia. You wonder if his agent read some tea leaves and decided Pedroia’s violent swing might not hold up over time or something. The Yanks I thought made a good deal with Cano last year. This one is a little better.I think Robbie is going to have a very nice comeback season. Iy will be interesting to see how those deals compare 5 years from now.
———————————————————–
I certainly needed some Bounty then…”The Quicker Picker Upper”.
I had thought about that with Pedroia. With that kinetic energy and that huge swing, I think he’ll be fine for about half of that deal. Maybe a fast burnout when he either burns out or has a hand injury..much like Nomar Garciaparra.
Ed – patience isn’t a virtue to some people
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:44 pm
“i’d rather have tex.damon & matsui are gone after 09,tex upgrades our defense.replacing matsui with tex & swish sounds better.”
no duh, Damon and Mastui are gone after 09. Matsui is most likely retire after this season. Until then, who knows who would be our next DH? As for Swisher, he’s a 1B gold glove caliber player, he done some plays that Teixiera couldn’t do. Don’t get me wrong, I would like to have Teixiera but his contract isn’t worth it. I rather sign Adam Dunn, and have him be the DH in 2010 despite his high Ks and bad defense, the short right porch will do him good.
————————————————————
you are entitled to yer opinion.
GB,
I would trade pitchers like Britton, Veras, and Ramirez for someone like Mitch Maier, or one of their excessive 1B like you said, Gload, Shealy, or Kila Kaai’hue.
Dave,
I know Teixiera won 2 gold gloves. I’m just saying Swisher is a hard nosed player.
Cano makes and average of $7mil for the next 4 years. He’s 25 and has had one bad year out of 4. I was as exasperated with him as anyone, but I have kids older than him and saw them mature a lot between the ages of 25 – 28. He’s got a sweet swing and just needs plate disipline.
Tom
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:54 pm
GB, Dankeschoen (I thank you so often I was getting bored of “thanks”).
It’s good to hear that versatility may be taught at the minor league level. I come from the school of thought that if you’re athletic enough you should be able to play just about anywhere. They just have to be coached.
Of course if the DH wasn’t around in the minor leagues players would have to learn how to play multiple spots. Pitchers would know how to hit too….
————————————————————
Exactly, Tom. Some managers, even in the minors would rather dump a player intothe DH slot day after day, rather than experiment and see what kids could do. So many of these kids were, pitcher/center fielder/shortstop combinations in high school and even college because they were their team’s best athletes. Torre Tyson seems to be willing to try a few things. He moved Laird from third to first and Suttle fom first to third, moved Snyder from third and short to second base. Keep an eye on Austin Krum in the future. He’ll be in right field at AAA Tampa.
Just got home and read about Pedroia – what a deal for Boston! Despite my intense hate towards the Sox, I can’t help but admire a guy like Pedroia. The key thing about this deal is that the Sox know they got more than just a great player, they got a great teammate. I once read a quote by Tek tsaying hat he thinks Pedroia could be captain one day.
dave
December 3rd, 2008 at 4:56 pm
cano’s deal was a mistake – the yanks should have waited. That deal may have led to his bad season. He started to feel too comfortable. i dont have anything to back it up but i really think if that deal never happened, cano would have played better last season.
———————————————————–
That deal had nothing to do with Cano having a bad April.
bru, and dave:
can you say wow?
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200809153478800
dave :
if the yankees payroll is 142 million wich sounds about right you have to factor in arbitration raises.from what i understand that will take their payroll up to about 150 million.cc for 23 million approx & tex for 20 million will have payroll at 193 million.
Ed – patience isn’t a virtue to some people
December 3rd, 2008 at 5:00 pm
GB,
I would trade pitchers like Britton, Veras, and Ramirez for someone like Mitch Maier, or one of their excessive 1B like you said, Gload, Shealy, or Kila Kaai’hue.
Dave,
I know Teixiera won 2 gold gloves. I’m just saying Swisher is a hard nosed player.
————————————————————
One of those pitchers (although, I’d keep Veras over the other two) should get any of those players except Butler. Not crazy about Shealy, though.
bru, read my post above, I cover the payroll. With my guesses at arbitration raises and minimum salary raises, the payroll comes in around at $145 million.
Sorry, Ed. It wasn’t you that mentioned Butler.
update >>>
Cection: ***He’ll (Austin Krum) be in right field at A Ball Tampa.***
GB,
how did the contract have nothing to do with how cano played in april? Didnt he sign the contract in late January?
dave
December 3rd, 2008 at 5:16 pm
GB,
how did the contract have nothing to do with how cano played in april? Didnt he sign the contract in late January?
————————————————————
Cano hit about .450 during spring training. He hit .151 in April and .300 the rest of the year.
Patrick
December 3rd, 2008 at 5:11 pm
bru, read my post above, I cover the payroll. With my guesses at arbitration raises and minimum salary raises, the payroll comes in around at $145 million
————————————————————
ok so cc at 23 minimum & tex at 20 minimum has it at 188 million wich leaves 12 million left before they reach 200 million.
no big deal.
i still would rather trade damon,matsui & sign cc,tex & another starter.payroll will be 177 million dollars & we can try to upgrade cf when we trade damon,matsui even if we add prospects.
Bru,
With arbitration factored in the payroll comes in between 142 and 144 maybe even 145. If Tex and cc sign a contract that is backloaded which most long contracts usually are (look at giambi’s for example) then we can sign 140 and 160 million dollar deals and not have to pay CC or Tex 23.5 or 20 million dollars next season. We could pay them maybe 20 and 17 or even less depending on how the contract breaks down. Either way, we could afford to sign both of them, re-sign pettitte and either sign or trade for a number 3 starter worth no more than 15 million and still keep the payroll at or around 200 million.
no way veras,britton,ramirez get’s you Kila Kaai’hue.
imo
dave
December 3rd, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Bru,
With arbitration factored in the payroll comes in between 142 and 144 maybe even 145. If Tex and cc sign a contract that is backloaded which most long contracts usually are (look at giambi’s for example) then we can sign 140 and 160 million dollar deals and not have to pay CC or Tex 23.5 or 20 million dollars next season. We could pay them maybe 20 and 17 or even less depending on how the contract breaks down. Either way, we could afford to sign both of them, re-sign pettitte and either sign or trade for a number 3 starter worth no more than 15 million and still keep the payroll at or around 200 million.
————————————————————
ok,makes sense.what do you think about trading damon,matsui,signing cc,tex & a # 3 startes & have payroll at 177 million.then trade for a cf or package prospects with damon or matsui to get one.
we alos potentially fix our outfield problem for next year also with swish & a new cf.
http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080807&content_id=3269109&vkey=news_kc&fext=.jsp&c_id=kc.
he could be very good.
it’s gonna take more than a toss in reliever to land him.
I dunno if you are still looking at this thread bru but I do like the idea of trading for a number three Starter rather than signing one. If we signed a number Tex, CC and a number three starter without signing pettitte, i would not sign or trade for another starter and try to fill the hole within be it aceves or coke (NOT HUGHES.) As for signing tex and then, trading for a CF I guess I dont really see the need at the moment because we have swisher. Of course, we could deal swisher and one of our other outfielders for a young outfielder or we could start swisher in left, trade damon for a center or right fielder and play nady at the other position. I dont think matsui has any trade value at the moment and is viewed by other teams as a high priced, injury prone DH in his declining years. Damon on the other hand does have some value but i would trade him for another younger leadoff hitter who has speed and plays good defense – with tex, arod and posada our lineup needs speed over power. i would prefer a rightfielder for damon so we could play swisher and nady in center and left. I dunno how much damon would actually get in a trade but packaged with a couple of pitching prospects like horne or marquez, that would get us someone pretty decent esp if the yanks ate some of damons salary.
bru
December 3rd, 2008 at 5:33 pm
he could be very good.
it’s gonna take more than a toss in reliever to land him.
————————————————————
He’s a 25 year old DH. a very bad defensive 1st baseman. They have more money tied up in 23 year old Billy Butler, a14th overall pick in 2004, so, who do you keep? That gives them 2 first basemen that can’t field the position. Not counting the other 2 first basemen they have,
dave
December 3rd, 2008 at 6:11 pm
I dunno how much damon would actually get in a trade but packaged with a couple of pitching prospects like horne or marquez, that would get us someone pretty decent esp if the yanks ate some of damons salary.
———————————————————–
I’m beginning to think that you only type stuff to be typing.
Why would NYY trade their only guy that is actually a leadoff hitter and one of the few guys with speed?
Also, you apparently didn’t realize that Horne had surgery and won’t be ready anytime soon. Oh, Yes…Marquez was traded for Swisher.
OY I hope you all are enjoying the lack of hot stove action because things are heating up for me.
Evidence final tomorrow and I think if I read one more line that talks about the circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness or the ban on evidence used to prove action in conformity therewith, I may jump out the window. Wish me luck and enjoy the night. GB, play nice lol.
Oh and isn’t Horne available for other teams in the Rule 5? While I doubt anybody would pick him, you never know. But you have to think nobody is going to take a guy in a trade they could get for a spot on the 40 man.