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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that we&#039;ve &quot;supposedly/hopefully&quot; solved our rotation woes by adding CC and AJ.  Then going the &#039;extra mile&quot; to sign Teixiera for our first baseman for the foreseeable future this off season I am much happier for our outlook going into this season than many, many, many years past!

Yet I still have one MAJOR CONCERN with our roster at this point...which is center field!  I am not comfortable going into the year going back and forth with Cabrera and Gardner, nor would I be happy with a &quot;stop gap&quot; named Cameron!  I also don&#039;t like the idea of having &quot;all my eggs in one basket&quot; with a player named Austin Jackson!  I don&#039;t see why on earth the Yankee&#039;s with everything they have accomplished this year through free agency would possibly not try to trade for a player such as:  Cameron Maybin or Colby Rasmus, or someone of the sort?  I do realize that either trade(s) would be EXTREMELY DIFFICULT if not impossible perhaps; especially a trade for Maybin!!!  Yet the Cardinal organization desperately needs pitching which we have been touted as having a good amount of or a surplus of in the last few years.  Granted if I had my druthers I&#039;d trade for Maybin, but the Marlins aren&#039;t the easiest team to deal with or could possibly be described as impossible in that area.  
I&#039;d simply like the Yanks to put forth a much better effort to shore up the &quot;absolutely glaring hole&quot; we have in our outfield in center field with a young talented player on the rise that could be patrolling that area for us for the next ten years or so!!!  Perhaps I am asking/wishing for too much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that we&#8217;ve &#8220;supposedly/hopefully&#8221; solved our rotation woes by adding CC and AJ.  Then going the &#8216;extra mile&#8221; to sign Teixiera for our first baseman for the foreseeable future this off season I am much happier for our outlook going into this season than many, many, many years past!</p>
<p>Yet I still have one MAJOR CONCERN with our roster at this point&#8230;which is center field!  I am not comfortable going into the year going back and forth with Cabrera and Gardner, nor would I be happy with a &#8220;stop gap&#8221; named Cameron!  I also don&#8217;t like the idea of having &#8220;all my eggs in one basket&#8221; with a player named Austin Jackson!  I don&#8217;t see why on earth the Yankee&#8217;s with everything they have accomplished this year through free agency would possibly not try to trade for a player such as:  Cameron Maybin or Colby Rasmus, or someone of the sort?  I do realize that either trade(s) would be EXTREMELY DIFFICULT if not impossible perhaps; especially a trade for Maybin!!!  Yet the Cardinal organization desperately needs pitching which we have been touted as having a good amount of or a surplus of in the last few years.  Granted if I had my druthers I&#8217;d trade for Maybin, but the Marlins aren&#8217;t the easiest team to deal with or could possibly be described as impossible in that area.<br />
I&#8217;d simply like the Yanks to put forth a much better effort to shore up the &#8220;absolutely glaring hole&#8221; we have in our outfield in center field with a young talented player on the rise that could be patrolling that area for us for the next ten years or so!!!  Perhaps I am asking/wishing for too much?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would rather them sign Sheets than Lowe.  Lowe is a good pitcher and all but he is 35.</description>
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		<title>By: jyjjy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jyjjy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nyyfaninlaaland -
You clearly put a lot of thought into that but luxury tax is based upon the average annual value of a contract. Back loading, front loading, signing bonuses... all entirely irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nyyfaninlaaland -<br />
You clearly put a lot of thought into that but luxury tax is based upon the average annual value of a contract. Back loading, front loading, signing bonuses&#8230; all entirely irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Gleb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to applaud David for considering trading for Peavy, however I&#039;d love to keep Melancon to pair with Robertson for what could be a very young but talented bullpen combination. Towers seems like a very poor GM and I wish Cash would take advantage already. He&#039;s played his hand on the Peavy situation so poorly it&#039;s almost laughable. I have heard extensive rumors of Towers wanting a 3rd team, that makes things a little easier in my opinion.
I was personally very impressed with Peavy when I saw him against the Yankees this year and would not even mind handing him an extension to get him here. He is young enough to finish his inexpensive contract and get an extension and still be young. Imagine a future rotation of  1)CC, 2)Wang 3)Peavy, 4)Joba or 1)Wang, 2)Peavy, 3)Joba 4)Hughes
How often would you beat that team&#039;s pitching in a 3 or 4 game series? I&#039;d get it done if I could, personally. 
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Can I take it a step further? I know I&#039;d get killed by all the people who hate the idea of signing Ben Sheets but how many wins would a rotation of 1)1)CC, 2)Wang 3)Peavy, 4)Sheets 5)(Joba/hughes to build innings) OR 1)Wang, 2)Peavy, 3)Sheets 4)Joba 5)Hughes 
get you? I&#039;d be scaring $%^&amp;less facing that team. And it can all be done..but wont.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to applaud David for considering trading for Peavy, however I&#8217;d love to keep Melancon to pair with Robertson for what could be a very young but talented bullpen combination. Towers seems like a very poor GM and I wish Cash would take advantage already. He&#8217;s played his hand on the Peavy situation so poorly it&#8217;s almost laughable. I have heard extensive rumors of Towers wanting a 3rd team, that makes things a little easier in my opinion.<br />
I was personally very impressed with Peavy when I saw him against the Yankees this year and would not even mind handing him an extension to get him here. He is young enough to finish his inexpensive contract and get an extension and still be young. Imagine a future rotation of  1)CC, 2)Wang 3)Peavy, 4)Joba or 1)Wang, 2)Peavy, 3)Joba 4)Hughes<br />
How often would you beat that team&#8217;s pitching in a 3 or 4 game series? I&#8217;d get it done if I could, personally.<br />
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Can I take it a step further? I know I&#8217;d get killed by all the people who hate the idea of signing Ben Sheets but how many wins would a rotation of 1)1)CC, 2)Wang 3)Peavy, 4)Sheets 5)(Joba/hughes to build innings) OR 1)Wang, 2)Peavy, 3)Sheets 4)Joba 5)Hughes<br />
get you? I&#8217;d be scaring $%^&amp;less facing that team. And it can all be done..but wont.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why in the world wouldnt the yankees consider trading for peavy.  he is signed for less than what they could get burnett for, sure he is going to cost them some good minor leaguers but none of them are sure things and none of them are much younger than peavy who already has a cy young.  if you sign sabathia and trade for peavy imagine the playoff pitching staff you would have.  you could let pettitte walk and sign a someone cheap and you would still have one of the best rotations in the league.  I like the youth movement but when you can get a young proven pitcher like peavy you have to do it.  towers alreay said we could have him without hughes.  i would give up jackson, aceves, melancon and another prospect if it would get it done.  I mean what would we be talking about here.  A reliever which we have tons of, a decent back of the rotation starter and a guy who struck out over a 100 times in double A.  Will he become a star?  Maybe, but Peavy is a star now.  It makes no sense why they wouldnt do it unless Peavy just doesnt want to come. Everyone loves to talk about prospects but lets be honest, of all of the &quot;top prospects&quot; they yankees have traded away only one or two of them have made anything at all let alone a good player.  I dont believe they should bankrupt the minor leagues like they have done in the past but lets win now!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why in the world wouldnt the yankees consider trading for peavy.  he is signed for less than what they could get burnett for, sure he is going to cost them some good minor leaguers but none of them are sure things and none of them are much younger than peavy who already has a cy young.  if you sign sabathia and trade for peavy imagine the playoff pitching staff you would have.  you could let pettitte walk and sign a someone cheap and you would still have one of the best rotations in the league.  I like the youth movement but when you can get a young proven pitcher like peavy you have to do it.  towers alreay said we could have him without hughes.  i would give up jackson, aceves, melancon and another prospect if it would get it done.  I mean what would we be talking about here.  A reliever which we have tons of, a decent back of the rotation starter and a guy who struck out over a 100 times in double A.  Will he become a star?  Maybe, but Peavy is a star now.  It makes no sense why they wouldnt do it unless Peavy just doesnt want to come. Everyone loves to talk about prospects but lets be honest, of all of the &#8220;top prospects&#8221; they yankees have traded away only one or two of them have made anything at all let alone a good player.  I dont believe they should bankrupt the minor leagues like they have done in the past but lets win now!!</p>
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		<title>By: nyyfaninlaaland</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyyfaninlaaland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People here are being very creative with the roster makeup, the trades, who to get, etc. But being remarkably uncreative on the number/payroll side with contract construction. That is how these issues will be handled on the big contracts - frontload, backload, signing bonuses, etc. Because a very significant issue in how the money is allocated is how it&#039;s treated vs the luxury tax. And remember 2 things:

The threshold for that keeps rising. $155 in &#039;08, $162MM in &#039;09, then $170, $178. Yanks are looking at a bill of well over $20mm again for &#039;08. But holding the line going forward would reduce the tax $3mm per year. 

And the lux tax money doesn&#039;t go to other teams, but to MLB, so don&#039;t bitch about that.

So saying CC gets $23MM, ot Tex $20, or whatever may not be the case.

Let&#039;s say the Yanks offer CC $140MM for 6 years. But pay signing bonuses of $6MM each in &#039;09 and &#039;10, salaries of $17MM in each year, $24 in &#039;11 - &#039;13, $22 in &#039;14. The signing bonuses are allocated equally over the 6 years, or add $2MM per year, so the &quot;MLB salary&quot; in &#039;09 and &#039;10 is $19MM for lux tax purposes, despite the fact that CC got his cash. That excludes any deferrals until after the contract, which reduce the present value and &quot;MLB salary&quot; as well. The Yanks and everyone else will likely have such provisions in their offers, but for the Yanks this becomes a critical issue as every &quot;MLB salary&quot; dollar over the threshold costs an added 40%. For a cash rich team like the Yanks there&#039;s a real incentive to maximize the signing bonus upfront - the player gets present value cash, the Yanks save on near term Lux Tax $&#039;s. Every dollar saved on lux tax pays CC instead of MLB.

So all the number quibbling is pointless until the contract terms are known. And every team is likely to try to keep the &#039;09 salary outlay in large multi-year deals lower, in expectation of revenue declines due to the recession. Expect contract creativity.

And large contracts for corner OF&#039;s and DH&#039;s will be hard to move - that&#039;s where the surplus is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People here are being very creative with the roster makeup, the trades, who to get, etc. But being remarkably uncreative on the number/payroll side with contract construction. That is how these issues will be handled on the big contracts &#8211; frontload, backload, signing bonuses, etc. Because a very significant issue in how the money is allocated is how it&#8217;s treated vs the luxury tax. And remember 2 things:</p>
<p>The threshold for that keeps rising. $155 in &#8216;08, $162MM in &#8216;09, then $170, $178. Yanks are looking at a bill of well over $20mm again for &#8216;08. But holding the line going forward would reduce the tax $3mm per year. </p>
<p>And the lux tax money doesn&#8217;t go to other teams, but to MLB, so don&#8217;t bitch about that.</p>
<p>So saying CC gets $23MM, ot Tex $20, or whatever may not be the case.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say the Yanks offer CC $140MM for 6 years. But pay signing bonuses of $6MM each in &#8216;09 and &#8216;10, salaries of $17MM in each year, $24 in &#8216;11 &#8211; &#8216;13, $22 in &#8216;14. The signing bonuses are allocated equally over the 6 years, or add $2MM per year, so the &#8220;MLB salary&#8221; in &#8216;09 and &#8216;10 is $19MM for lux tax purposes, despite the fact that CC got his cash. That excludes any deferrals until after the contract, which reduce the present value and &#8220;MLB salary&#8221; as well. The Yanks and everyone else will likely have such provisions in their offers, but for the Yanks this becomes a critical issue as every &#8220;MLB salary&#8221; dollar over the threshold costs an added 40%. For a cash rich team like the Yanks there&#8217;s a real incentive to maximize the signing bonus upfront &#8211; the player gets present value cash, the Yanks save on near term Lux Tax $&#8217;s. Every dollar saved on lux tax pays CC instead of MLB.</p>
<p>So all the number quibbling is pointless until the contract terms are known. And every team is likely to try to keep the &#8216;09 salary outlay in large multi-year deals lower, in expectation of revenue declines due to the recession. Expect contract creativity.</p>
<p>And large contracts for corner OF&#8217;s and DH&#8217;s will be hard to move &#8211; that&#8217;s where the surplus is.</p>
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		<title>By: MP</title>
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		<dc:creator>MP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A stellar bench is something the Yankees have not consistently had since the dynasty.</description>
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		<title>By: Virginia Yankee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sabbathia is actually an unwise investment if they are not going to sign Teixeira - or die trying.
Teixeira should have been first choice GIVEN THE STOCKED P talent you point to
- they nearly got to the playoffs last year with much less than average production from Cano, Posada, Matsui, and Cabrera - using Ratner and Ponson plus 0fer starts from Hughes and IPK
- unlikley they could be that poor again or that TB wil be good again
- Lowe plus Teixeira is a better deal than Sabatthia and no Tex

He fixes 1B defensively for 6-7 years (barring injury) provides the bat that will see Arod into his dotage, paces Cano and any other young players they can find. Even with a 10 year deal he is a R/L bat at DH with occasional 1B in the decline years

Cameron i think is a bad deal.  I had hopes last year that they Yankees woud trade IPK and Cabrera and play Gardner.  The issue may be that by dispensing with Abreu that the Yankees have given up too much offens - therfore I&#039;d spend the money on Teixeira and play Swisher in the OF - hopinh is OBP and HR production is better than avg - underline hope - he is at least versitile

The huge issue is Posada - if he can&#039;t catch the Yankees have no bat at C - which has been a 8 yr strength and a gaping hole in 2008 - Matsui likley can hold down DH - if Posada can&#039;t play C then the have too many DHs who wil be less than average in the field.  Everyone hopes Jorge recovers but there is no way to know with that injury and his age.

The other wild card is Wang -- he is a big heavy guy - he hurt that foot running!!! -- there is no way to know if he is still a stud #2 - or if he breaks down - or if his mechnaics don&#039;t come back. Say it takes 20 starts to settle in and he is league average 2/3 as he goes. Maybe that is a reason to make Sabbathia and Lowe or Sabbathia Plus anyone such a need - Pettit for a year would help.

MONEY -- The Yankees will generate all the money they need if they keep the stands filled and the TV contracts hot - they do that with an exciting chmapionship caliber team.  There are few players who the Yankee fans can embrace they way the did Mattingly, Jeter, Tino, Posada, Bernie and Mo. If ARod had a chance but he has blown it more than once and now finally - chasing a 50 yr old not very attractive well worn woman --Fans can&#039;t identify with him or his quirks - they will happy to see him break Bonds &quot;record&quot; - fingers crossed -- maybe if he has an otherworldly playoff or WS they will come around - but he is gaing, Jeter is aging, Posada may be done -- Teixeira could be the nucleus - show up play the game right - dazzle in the field and with the bat  -- who else in the MAJORS who is available the next three years can do that

Paying  a premium price for the right person is worth more than many &quot;deals&quot; on avergae Joe&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sabbathia is actually an unwise investment if they are not going to sign Teixeira &#8211; or die trying.<br />
Teixeira should have been first choice GIVEN THE STOCKED P talent you point to<br />
- they nearly got to the playoffs last year with much less than average production from Cano, Posada, Matsui, and Cabrera &#8211; using Ratner and Ponson plus 0fer starts from Hughes and IPK<br />
- unlikley they could be that poor again or that TB wil be good again<br />
- Lowe plus Teixeira is a better deal than Sabatthia and no Tex</p>
<p>He fixes 1B defensively for 6-7 years (barring injury) provides the bat that will see Arod into his dotage, paces Cano and any other young players they can find. Even with a 10 year deal he is a R/L bat at DH with occasional 1B in the decline years</p>
<p>Cameron i think is a bad deal.  I had hopes last year that they Yankees woud trade IPK and Cabrera and play Gardner.  The issue may be that by dispensing with Abreu that the Yankees have given up too much offens &#8211; therfore I&#8217;d spend the money on Teixeira and play Swisher in the OF &#8211; hopinh is OBP and HR production is better than avg &#8211; underline hope &#8211; he is at least versitile</p>
<p>The huge issue is Posada &#8211; if he can&#8217;t catch the Yankees have no bat at C &#8211; which has been a 8 yr strength and a gaping hole in 2008 &#8211; Matsui likley can hold down DH &#8211; if Posada can&#8217;t play C then the have too many DHs who wil be less than average in the field.  Everyone hopes Jorge recovers but there is no way to know with that injury and his age.</p>
<p>The other wild card is Wang &#8212; he is a big heavy guy &#8211; he hurt that foot running!!! &#8212; there is no way to know if he is still a stud #2 &#8211; or if he breaks down &#8211; or if his mechnaics don&#8217;t come back. Say it takes 20 starts to settle in and he is league average 2/3 as he goes. Maybe that is a reason to make Sabbathia and Lowe or Sabbathia Plus anyone such a need &#8211; Pettit for a year would help.</p>
<p>MONEY &#8212; The Yankees will generate all the money they need if they keep the stands filled and the TV contracts hot &#8211; they do that with an exciting chmapionship caliber team.  There are few players who the Yankee fans can embrace they way the did Mattingly, Jeter, Tino, Posada, Bernie and Mo. If ARod had a chance but he has blown it more than once and now finally &#8211; chasing a 50 yr old not very attractive well worn woman &#8211;Fans can&#8217;t identify with him or his quirks &#8211; they will happy to see him break Bonds &#8220;record&#8221; &#8211; fingers crossed &#8212; maybe if he has an otherworldly playoff or WS they will come around &#8211; but he is gaing, Jeter is aging, Posada may be done &#8212; Teixeira could be the nucleus &#8211; show up play the game right &#8211; dazzle in the field and with the bat  &#8212; who else in the MAJORS who is available the next three years can do that</p>
<p>Paying  a premium price for the right person is worth more than many &#8220;deals&#8221; on avergae Joe&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: Joeysdadjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joeysdadjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hitman...I think you have unrealistic expectations of who the Yanks could get in trades</description>
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		<title>By: BG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People need to get over the yankees not aggressively pursuing Texeira.  The problem with Texeira isn&#039;t just the money, its the commitment in years.  He wants ten years.  He probably won&#039;t get that but even 6-7 years is more than I&#039;d want to go for him.  If the market for Tex turns out to be 5 years at $18MM/year, I&#039;d imagine the yankees would get involved.  If its 7 years at $20MM/year, they are absolutely right to stay away regardless of their budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People need to get over the yankees not aggressively pursuing Texeira.  The problem with Texeira isn&#8217;t just the money, its the commitment in years.  He wants ten years.  He probably won&#8217;t get that but even 6-7 years is more than I&#8217;d want to go for him.  If the market for Tex turns out to be 5 years at $18MM/year, I&#8217;d imagine the yankees would get involved.  If its 7 years at $20MM/year, they are absolutely right to stay away regardless of their budget.</p>
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