It’s starting to heat up
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 04, 2008 
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As the Winter Meetings draw closer, teams are making moves.
The Padres are about to complete a trade that would send SS Khalil Greene to the Cardinals. … The Giants have signed SS Edgar Renteria to a two-year contract.
How does this impact the Yankees? The Giants have now added Renteria (two years and a reported $18 million), Jeremy Affeldt (two years, $8 million) and Bobby Howry (one year, $2.75 million). So they have already added approximately $16 million to their payroll. Are they now going to go all in and chase CC Sabathia as well? If they spend more money, doesn’t it have to be on offense?
Meanwhile, does trading away Greene mean the Padres can keep Jake Peavy?
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The Giants were never in the CC sweepstakes. Not after that fiasco with Zito.
I doubt it…the Giants need some bats in the worst way.
Edgar Renteria gets $18MM for 2 years? How does that square with the FA salary deflation predictions?
“Many of the yankee fans who want to trade Cano for Kemp would absolutely hate Kemp as a player. ”
Maybe some but not me. I’d want to trade Cano for Kemp because Kemp has more potential and because it helps the team fill 2 holes this season.
Cano for Kemp, sign Furcal for 2B, in 2010 call up Austin Jackson and move Kemp over to RF, sign Holliday for LF.
I know this will never happen but I can dream can’t I?
Maybe the Giants think they can compete this year? They certainly have good enough pitching but their offense is awful. Brian Sabean is a moron IMO.
Pete – Make sure you play some black jack at the Hard Rock next week.
In our dream world, if you got Kemp for Cano, you don’t even need to get someone as good as Furcal. You’d just need a good glove at 2B who could hit as well as or a little better than Gardner.
In a dream world the Cano haters would be silenced w/ a shoe in thier mouth. I seriously don’t get why people want to give up on a young talent like him who’s shown he can dominate in NY when focused on his game.
If the Giants actually do sign CC and get another bat or two (or maybe just one with CC’s bat) they CAN compete this year. In the NL West, that is. Beyond that, it seems unlikely, but a one-two punch of CC and Lincecum would be nice for them.
And CC wouldn’t be a Sabean call, it would be an ownership call. The Giants have a new managing parter who’s replaced Peter Magowan, maybe he wants to come in with a splash.
I still don’t see it happening, though.
Couple of O/T comments:
1. Does anyone feel sorry for Plaxico Burress? I can’t stand the guy, but I don’t think he should go to jail for 3 years. But he deserves the suspensions, loss of pay, and other things that result from carrying a loaded weapon in a crowded public place. Now his own teammate has to testify at a grand jury.
2. Anyone find the whole Sean Avery completely funny? Sure he shouldn’t have referred to his ex-girlfriend as “sloppy seconds” even though she’s making the rounds in hockey. But he’s getting shunned by his own team, getting suspended by the league. A league that condones brutality. It was totally gross, inappropriate, and hilarious, but it seems a little overboard.
The Giants division is week. Every team has taken a step back-the Rockies traded Holliday and could lose their closer, the Padres may trade Peavy and have to slash payroll, the Dodgers may not have Manny and Lowe back, and the D’backs will lose Dunn and Hudson and Johnson.
If their offense goes from awful to adequate, they could win the west.
Nick,
I thought CC’s nickname is “The Miracle Worker”?
“In our dream world, if you got Kemp for Cano, you don’t even need to get someone as good as Furcal. You’d just need a good glove at 2B who could hit as well as or a little better than Gardner.”
You are joking, right? We are losing Giambi and Abreu and you think having a subpar hitter at 2B will be sufficient?
“In a dream world the Cano haters would be silenced w/ a shoe in thier mouth.”
Brandon, you seem to have a lot of pent-up hostility. Let it go, is my advice.
Who hates Cano? Couldn’t we just be Kemp lovers intead?
As someone pointed out in the prior post, if a defensively deficient shortstop with declining offensive skills like Renteria can command $9M per season, the market can’t be all that bad. I’m thinking the guy who suggested Abreu would be lucky to command $8M per may need to rethink that.
New bumper sticker:
*Kemp, not Hemp”
“Who hates Cano? Couldn’t we just be Kemp lovers intead?”
No.
mel, i agree with you on plax. i doubt he’ll end up with 3 years after trials and whatnot. he shot himself. the pain and embarassment is a punishment in itself. i’ll be upset if he ends up doing more time than michael vick.
we need a big clutch hitter batting behind arod and dat anwer is manny ramirez dont cre about his past attitude u noe he kan hit and specially in the clutch
Laura,
In our dream world, we’d have Kemp. Kemp is as good a hitter as Cano. We are more than likely going to have a sub-par hitter in CF. Does it really matter where the sub-par hitter is?
mel,
As you might guess, I find the Avery mess fascinating. I don’t think it’s overblown at all, but I do think it might not have all happened (especially not so swiftly) if people weren’t unhappy with Avery for other reasons.
But I do find it encouraging that a certain level of gross sexism is just not acceptble, even in sports.
(and mel, please, rethink your comment about her making the rounds in hockey)
“Brandon, you seem to have a lot of pent-up hostility. Let it go, is my advice.”
Brandon gets agitated everytime he listens to Pompous Mike on the FAN……….yet he keeps listening.
Further, never propose to trade Cano around him and be willing to acknowledge that Phil Coke sits at 103 MPH…..and that’s his change-up.
Hello Everyone!
Maybe the Giants have an advantage here. They could offer CC the chance to play 1B as well when he isn’t pitching and bat him 4th.
Come to think of it, perhaps the Yanks could too! LOL! Babe Ruth II!
why cant the Cano-to-the-Dodgers rumors just die already? its really annoying.
“FURCAL FOR THE LAST TIME TOLD EL DIARIO AND PRIMER IMPACTO HE DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY 2B. HE HAS MADE THAT KNOWN WELL IN D.R. ”
Relax B-dog. Players say stuff all the time that turns out to be untrue. Lets say Furcal gets a bunch of three year offers to play SS. Then the Yankees jump in and offer him 4 years to play 2B. You’re telling me theres no way he’d take the better offer to play 2B? Thats not likely.
“In a dream world the Cano haters would be silenced w/ a shoe in thier mouth.”
We aren’t giving up on Cano. How is it hating on Cano to endorse a trade for a superior talent? I would trade Cano for Albert Pujols. Does that mean I hate Cano?
You need to chill Brandon. Just because some people would be happy with a Cano for Kemp deal doesn’t mean we hate Cano. Actually in my case the reverse is true. I defended Robbie all year long and I continue to do so but Kemp is a better talent.
yankees to make and offer to burneet today or tommarow
“In our dream world, we’d have Kemp. Kemp is as good a hitter as Cano. We are more than likely going to have a sub-par hitter in CF. Does it really matter where the sub-par hitter is?”
If it’s only one. In your world, don’t we have two (Gardner in CF AND this new subpar guy at 2B)?
“Phil Coke sits at 103 MPH…..and that’s his change-up.”
Yeaaaah right. I said he sits 93 mph and tops out 96 but that’s on you.
Interesting idea from GB7 in the previous post about Adam LaRoche at 1b. How is his defense? I don’t really remember much about it, think he was hurt when the Yanks played Pirates last year?
I’ve never really liked his offense though, he seems very all or nothing and seems never to have a good first half. I’ve had some experience with him in fantasy baseball lol, and, there, his “nothing” periods are worth his “all” periods, but I’m not sure whether it would be like that on an actual team. I guess it would depend on the flexibility of the rest of the roster…we do have Juan Miranda after all…but I have nightmare visions of LaRoche and Cano both ice cold in April-May.
Avery was trying to sound hip and funny; instead, it came across as misogynistic and dumb.
mlbtr says the yankees will make an offer to burnett today or tomorrow
Mel — I heard a theory that the NHL suspended Avery for the press it would get from doing so. You can’t get anyone in the media to talk NHL and they saw this incident as a strategic opportunity to get the NHL back in the news.
“You need to chill Brandon. Just because some people would be happy with a Cano for Kemp deal doesn’t mean we hate Cano. Actually in my case the reverse is true. I defended Robbie all year long and I continue to do so but Kemp is a better talent.”
What I find so funny about the Cano for Kemp debate is that according to one of those sports hacks (can’t remember if it was Heyman or Sherman), the Dodgers are as frustrated with Kemp as the Yankees are with Cano. In effect, they’d just be switching headaches. The very people drooling over Kemp would just be moaning about him when he came here and did the same stuff that Cano did this season. They are both guys who may or may not live up to the hype. We will see who has the better “work in progress” player.
If it’s only one. In your world, don’t we have two (Gardner in CF AND this new subpar guy at 2B)?
No, because Kemp is in CF.
It’s OK, we all have days like that.
“Relax B-dog. Players say stuff all the time that turns out to be untrue. Lets say Furcal gets a bunch of three year offers to play SS. Then the Yankees jump in and offer him 4 years to play 2B. You’re telling me theres no way he’d take the better offer to play 2B? Thats not likely.”
What’s the going rate for the new long term deal for a 2B plus Furcal is getting better offers to play SS, so I highly doubt this happens on top of that he’s said that since he left the Braves.
“I would trade Cano for Albert Pujols. Does that mean I hate Cano?”
That’s a whoooooooole different story, I’d do that deal in a heartbeat, that’s a fantasy. Kemp again is nowhere around that and Cano on his worse season might = Kemp in production, this is not the time to sell Cano.
Mel: Yes, I feel bad for Plax. 3 years for that is ridiculous. Don’t think he’ll have to do that much time in the end though. I feel more bad for Pierce though, being dragged into this just for trying to be a good teammate. Hopefully he won’t be suspended or anything or at least not for the playoffs, because I’m not sure the Giants can win without him. Although they’ve certainly handled every bout of adversity till this point, but Pierce is HUGE for the team.
I also agree Avery’s comments were not really suspension worthy, but he is one of the very worst human beings in all of professional sports, so I’m not really losing any sleep over it. I just see it like a karma thing for all the junk he’s talked and dirt he’s done in the past.
A big advantage Kemp has over Cano is his speed. Cano has no basestealing game at all. In fact, he’s a poor baserunner.
Clare,
Sorry if I offended you.
As a female, I believe that young ladies should hold themselves to a certain standard and behavior.
One of my rules is if you’re done with a fish in one pond, find another pond.
It was a crude statement and it wasn’t really funny, just the fact that he did say it out loud in front of a camera was funny to me.
“In effect, they’d just be switching headaches.”
EXACTLY. This is precisely what this trade would be. As far as I’m concerned, switching headaches just creates a worse headache. Why do it??
Plus, can you imagine the fallout from the media and fans if Cano started doing much better when back with Bowa (and I think we all would bet that he’ll do at least a LITTLE better) while Kemp’s “head case” issues only intensify with the move from mellow LA to non-mellow NY?
Just. So. Not. Worth. It.
“Cano on his worse season might = Kemp in production ”
Sorry but thats not true.
Kemp has much more potential than Cano which is why I’d be happy with that trade.
“Furcal is getting better offers to play SS”
He hasn’t gotten a four year offer yet.
OBVIOUSLY this is far-fetched which I have pointed out SEVERAL times but hypothetically it’d be a great deal for the Yankees.
“Cano on his worse season might = Kemp in production,”
Uh, 2008. Cano OPS+ 86. Kemp OPS+ 108.
Patrick, isn’t this more fun than speculating whether CC will sign or not?
Oh, and I hope I didn’t offend anyone who likes to stay in one pond.
Three years in prison for what Burress did does seem excessive.
But my question it sounds like the law has been that this type of sentence is automatic in NYC for that offense. If other people are being sentenced to three years for the same offense then you have to give the same sentence to Plax to be fair. The law has to apply the same whether you are the guy next door or a famous athelete.
On the other hand, if other people are not getting three years for the same offense as much I don’t like Burress it would be grossly unfair to give him 3 years just to make an example out of him.
“Patrick, isn’t this more fun than speculating whether CC will sign or not?”
YES
“No, because Kemp is in CF. It’s OK, we all have days like that.”
Talking about settling for subpar offense players always gets me outta sorts.
Mel:
On Burress: I’m OK with the three years. Sure he shot himself and that’s embarassing, but he could have just as easily shot someone else accidentally. Don’t do the crime if you can’t…..
On Avery: I think the suspension was about the league having a way of smacking him around a bit drop into their lap. Couldn’t happen to a better guy as far I’m concerned. I’d be stunned if there aren’t exchanges about girlfriends, wives, and mothers on the ice all the time, but he had to take it public. Screw the classless jerk.
“Patrick, isn’t this more fun than speculating whether CC will sign or not?”
Having to choose between these two discussions is like asking a woman if she wants to have root canal or go get a pap smear.
BBB
December 4th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Interesting idea from GB7 in the previous post about Adam LaRoche at 1b. How is his defense? I don’t really remember much about it, think he was hurt when the Yanks played Pirates last year?
I’ve never really liked his offense though, he seems very all or nothing and seems never to have a good first half. I’ve had some experience with him in fantasy baseball lol, and, there, his “nothing” periods are worth his “all” periods, but I’m not sure whether it would be like that on an actual team. I guess it would depend on the flexibility of the rest of the roster…we do have Juan Miranda after all…but I have nightmare visions of LaRoche and Cano both ice cold in April-May.
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LaRoche isn’t a spectacular fielder but, he is steady to good. His bat seems to start slow every year, nothing like this year (where it was a freak like Cano’s was and like Jeter in 2004). He’ll hit ok until in June when he cranks it up. He’s cheap by Yankee standards but, starting to get pricy for Pittsburgh. I’m guessing that a Miranda and a couple of young pitchers (like Jones and Wright) along with the Pirates favorite player, Cash, might do the trick. This is only a guess, though. They may require NYY to take back an ugly contract like Sanchez.
Fredo and others:
I didn’t know who this Avery guy was until this incident. Didn’t know he had such a bad rep. As you can guess, I don’t follow hockey. Really hard to believe that there’s an alpha jerk in hockey, when they’re all trying to kill each other on the ice. I do know that Gretzky’s a good guy and some guy named Jeremy Roeneck (sp?) wasn’t very popular. And Sidney Crosby’s really, really good.
Yanks don’t want to wait and miss out on either CC or Burnett which is what rumors are pointing to. Cash will make big offer to Burnett and lock him up. If CC comes too, great, if not then on to Tex and Manny.
Burnett,Wang, Pettite, Joba and Hughes is ok for me. As most of you know I have been after Tex and Manny so this would play out nicely for me.
Rotation would be fine and the bats would be great.
No way we go into new stadium with current line up and just add pitching which options are becoming shakier by the minute.
I don’t know what the going rate for gun charges normally is in NY, but I do know the gun laws there are fairly fascist at least in my opinion. I’m not justifying what Plax did but when Steve Smith gets robbed at gunpoint trying to walk into his home just a few nights later, it does kinda illustrate why players in bigger cities might choose to protect themselves that way (several NBA players have been robbed at gunpoint in Chicago too) Of course it would be nice if they protected themselves legally but the gun control laws in NYC don’t really make it that easy for them to do so.
As far as the whole special treatment thing goes, I think that as a general rule, the special legal treatment a person is afforded extends only as far as the lawyer they can pay to defend them. Celebrities often get off easier because they can afford better lawyers than Avg Joe, not because theyre celebrities. I know it isn’t right, believe me, but thats the system we live in.
The Giants held Plax accountable for his actions and the law should too. But he’s probably not getting 3 years unless he has a public defender.
Or we could always go Wang, Burnett, Bedard, Hughes, Chamberlain.
That’s not a catastrophe but CC will sign and it will be CC, Wang, Burnett, Pettitte/Perez/Wolf and Chamberlain.
YankeeRay,
I agree that they will make the offer for Burnett, and then see what he and Sabathia decide over the next few days. They’ll turn to Lowe, if they get a no answer from either player.
BBB,
Celebrities used to get special treatment. But now it’s trending the other way, they’re targeted for excess punishment. I think OJ and his team of fancy lawyers did it. Then Wacko Jacko. Then Martha Stewart. Paris Hilton. Michael Vick. Mark Cuban. Plaxico Burress. All these guys could buy their way out of trouble, but there’s increased scrutiny and sunshine laws now. But most of these guys are paying more time than your average John or Jane Doe.
Celebrities really need to keep their noses clean and they should. Whether or not they want to be, they do serve as role models.
BBB
December 4th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I don’t know what the going rate for gun charges normally is in NY, but I do know the gun laws there are fairly fascist at least in my opinion
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From what I’ve heard and read, the first offense is 3 years and 18 month served. Very few are less. I guess the police are tired of tracking imported guns coming in out of Florida up I-95.
Smith got held at gunpoint BEFORE Burress shot himself in the leg. The Post asked Smith if he talked to Burress about it and he gave the “I don’t think I can legally answer that question”, so I think part of Plaxico’s defense is going to be “I heard what happened to Steve Smith and I got extra-paranoid, please just give me a slap on the wrist and this ginormous media storm as punishment!”. It is scary to think of how much violence has come down on NFL players in recent years(Collier of the Jags, Sean Taylor, Darrent Williams), though it in no way excuses Burress’ idiocy.
mel
December 4th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
New bumper sticker:
*Kemp, not Hemp”
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I’ll take Cano and Hemp over Kemp. Better for your offense and your health.
I make some mean Hemp goji muffins. SPeaking of food, where’s my lumpia recipe ?
It’s doubtful that the main-stream world population would have missed Smith and his racially charged mouth.
Mel
With you on both cases.
Putting Plax in jail furthers the mayors agenda but having him become the posterboy for what not to do would seem to do more for the public good than locking him up for 3 years. He should get a short jail stint to show they are serious and tons of community service to tell his story to stop others from making the same mistake.
Avery was a jerk and should feel the full public fallout of what he said but suspending him was over the top IMO.
December 4th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Mel
With you on both cases.
Putting Plax in jail furthers the mayors agenda but having him become the posterboy for what not to do would seem to do more for the public good than locking him up for 3 years. He should get a short jail stint to show they are serious and tons of community service to tell his story to stop others from making the same mistake.
Avery was a jerk and should feel the full public fallout of what he said but suspending him was over the top IMO.
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The doctor who admitted/treated him has received a 14 day suspension.
“From what I’ve heard and read, the first offense is 3 years and 18 month served. Very few are less. I guess the police are tired of tracking imported guns coming in out of Florida up I-95.”
See, to me, they could just avoid the whole headache by having the same gun laws Florida does, but what do I know, lol.
I had no idea that the Smith robbery happened before the Plax shooting, that’s weird, I just heard about it last night. Am I out of the loop or something? I am not in the NY market right now.
I really don’t see why we are still wasting time speaking of a potential trade involving Robi Cano. IT IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN. POINT BLANK, PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION. Well, at least not this offseason.
We have all seen what Robi is capable of doing. He is a young guy (don’t get on me for saying this..I am aware he is going into is his fourth full year of Big League bal) with loads of potential. He has shown the ability to dominate AL pitching and has a slick glove at second base. He is a future gold glover IMO. His bat, he is a natural talent offensively. Have you seen the things he can do with pitchers’ pitches? Everytime I see him swing the bat I’m amazed at what he can do. Yes, he has to show some discipline and walk some more, but that I am confident will come–most probably this season. Don’t give up on him just yet. He is a rare talent and franchise player.
Sad thing is, all these people that want him traded will be the ones cheering the hardest for him come next season…smh…bandwagon fans………
Burress had been a problem all season, and the Giants are glad to be rid of him. It’s just fortunate that no innocent bystanders were hit by a stray bullet. Other than that, Pierce probably did what any of us would do for a friend. He’s fully cooperating, so he shouldn’t miss any games. It’s just a question of Hixon stepping into Plax’s shoes full time, and being able to handle the pressure. So far he’s been up to the challenge.
bodhisattva,
Sorry! Trying to make it vegetarian. I’ll type it up now.
mel, are you suggesting that Canadian Elisha Cuthbert shouldn’t date other NHL players because she dated Avery or that she shouldn’t date anyone who was ever his teammate?
BBB
December 4th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
“From what I’ve heard and read, the first offense is 3 years and 18 month served. Very few are less. I guess the police are tired of tracking imported guns coming in out of Florida up I-95.”
See, to me, they could just avoid the whole headache by having the same gun laws Florida does, but what do I know, lol.
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Florida’s gun laws are basically, you can’t buy a gun on credit. Cash only.
“mel
December 4th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
New bumper sticker:
*Kemp, not Hemp”—————————
I’ll take Cano and Hemp over Kemp.”
I’ll take Manny and whatever kind of, uh, hemp he has a-growin’ in his backyard, over trading Cano.
Cano needed to learn that baseball is a business, and friends come and go. He can still text Bowa & Melky where ever they may be.
If we lose out on CC and Burnett then the price on Lowe will be higher than its worth. Frankly any of these prices are higher than they are worth but we are desperate and these are desparate times.So I think we will absolutely lock down Burnett and I hope CC stays out west in the NL. I want Tex and Manny. Tex gives us long term infield defense and offensive credibility and Manny will be Manny as our DH. The boys in the bronx will keep him in place and I think he always wanted to play here.
I stand strongly in the fact that there is no way we go into new stadium with our current line up. Like previous posters have stated, if we don’t win people wil stop coming.
There are no bats coming free next year and now is our chance to build the offense. 1 pitcher with Pettite and 2 bats and we are fine.
Ramirez grows hemp in a vacant lot. Most people would call it his head.
What is all this Pettitte talk? If he doesn’t admit to himself he isnt worth 16M/Year, he will not be coming back. He can be a bit of a baby sometimes, however, if the Yankees come at Lowe with 16/Year, that is a slap in Andy’s face.
I’d rather have Pettitte (a Yankees), than Lowe (a Red Sox).
BBB,
Smith’s incident happened on the 25th of November. Plaxico was a few nights later. Here’s the link to the article in the Post that has Smith talking about it:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....142573.htm
Stuff your Sorries in a Sack!
December 4th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
What is all this Pettitte talk? If he doesn’t admit to himself he isnt worth 16M/Year, he will not be coming back. He can be a bit of a baby sometimes, however, if the Yankees come at Lowe with 16/Year, that is a slap in Andy’s face.
I’d rather have Pettitte (a Yankees), than Lowe (a Red Sox).
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No Lowe. Why would we pay all that money and years to a 36 year old barely above average pitcher?
What about the club? Somebody was shot inside their club. Also, they let Burress in with weapon. What gives…
The problem with Plaxico isn’t that he had a gun in his wasteband, rather it’s that he had a bullet loaded in the chamber that could and did accidentally discharge.
Why couldnt Pavano make the same comments a few years ago about Alyssa Milano so we could have suspended him without pay for the remainder of his contract? Pete i blame you for not asking the right questions.
I would prefer to make a 2 year offer for Sheets than a ridiculous 5 year deal for Burnett. Who in my opinion is just as injury prone.
“Burress had been a problem all season, and the Giants are glad to be rid of him. ”
i really don’t think he was as big of a problem as the media was making him out to be before the most recent incident. i feel like the media was making him out to be the bad guy on the giants, because there really wasn’t one…
YankeeRay
I can see a fit with Tex, but not Manny. Aside from his quirks, Manny is a below average left fielder, who will mainly be a DH at the end of his career, which is now. The trouble is, we have an aging cather signed for three more years, who will need to DH. Plus next year, we have Matsui @ DH, and Damon in Left. Unless we trade those guys to make room. But if you sign Tex, Swisher goes to the outfield, and that pushes Damon to some DH duty.
Burress was their top receiver in several early games.
Saucy,
So yelling at the coach on the sidelines during the game isn’t a problem? Or missing practices, and not calling the team?
you’ll shoot your thigh out!!
http://img100.imageshack.us/im.....laxau6.jpg
Braintrust – it was a problem. but not as bad as they were making it seem, IMO…
SOS I agree on Sheets/Burnett.
All these theories about signing CC plus Burnett and Manny or CC, Tex, and Burnett, etc. these people are going to be very disappointed.
You can’t sign everybody. With the proposed budget, you can’t come close.
I’ll be happy with CC, either Penny or Sheets, and Aceves, Hughes, etc. as the 5th starter.
Getting a CF, 3 starters, bench players, and a 1st baseman? Come on.
GreenBeret7
December 4th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Ramirez grows hemp in a vacant lot. Most people would call it his head.
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Knew there was some secret source for all that power.
Why is it even a question?
Plaxico should get whatever sentence you and I would get if we did what he did.
“No Lowe. Why would we pay all that money and years to a 36 year old barely above average pitcher?”
If you don’t like Lowe because he was once a Red Sox I understand. But in what world is Lowe barely above average? He’s one of the best and most dependable pitchers around.
“The trouble is, we have an aging cather signed for three more years, who will need to DH.”
Braintrust, you better hope Posada can stay a catcher and not move to DH. The Yanks are fish bait if Posada can’t catch.
Thanks mel, you rock.
Spent my formative years on Kailua beach, BTW.
YankeeRay
Not so sure Manny wants to play here? He allegedly grew up a Jays fan and hated the Yanks.
Miggs,
I agree on Penny. We could get him for the minumal years and has high reward as well. When Sheets or Penny are on. They are obviously top of the line rotation guys. I just dont see C.C. coming aboard. So if its a decision of second tier pitchers. Ill go with the shorter term deals in potential Aces. If we happen to only sign one of them. I wouldnt mind taking a shot at a Garland for the backend of the rotation.
As far as this Kemp thing. We dont know behind the scenes if they cant stand Cano and are tired of waiting for him to mature. So if they pull the trigger on Kemp. I would prefer to sign Hudson rather than Furcal for second base.
If all else fails in the hitting side. I still think we should make a run at Dunn to protect Alex.
Miggs
You still in so cal?
Braintrust
December 4th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
YankeeRay
I can see a fit with Tex, but not Manny. Aside from his quirks, Manny is a below average left fielder, who will mainly be a DH at the end of his career, which is now. The trouble is, we have an aging cather signed for three more years, who will need to DH. Plus next year, we have Matsui @ DH, and Damon in Left. Unless we trade those guys to make room. But if you sign Tex, Swisher goes to the outfield, and that pushes Damon to some DH duty.
BT – I’d dump Matsui for a prospect and pay some of his salary. DH spot for Manny with occasional OF play. Damon in LF with Swisher in CF. Bring in Gardner or melky for late inning defense and slide swish to LF. Or trade nady but I’d keep him. Next year Damon is gone and swisher goes to LF with Ajax in CF. F Posada at DH. He needs to catch or he is useless to us as his hitting is on the decline even with his good year in 2007. Molina late inning replacement here too. Screw the egos. Manny obviously gives us a much better bat. We need to build now for the next few years not try and build next year or we will be looking like the Horace Clark teams of the late 60′s.
Build it now or no one will come.
bodhi,
Just sent it.
Kailua Beach? Beautiful sandy beach. But too many obnoxious people who think the leash laws don’t apply to them. They think everyone adores their big, wet smelly dogs.
bodhisattva,
Just sent it.
I replied here, but I don’t know why the filter wouldn’t like it. Beautiful sandy beach. Obnoxious people who ignore the leash laws and think everyone likes their big smelly dogs.
bodhisattva
December 4th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Thanks mel, you rock.
Spent my formative years on Kailua beach, BTW.
YankeeRay
Not so sure Manny wants to play here? He allegedly grew up a Jays fan and hated the Yanks.
Bod, youre kidding right? Manny used to talk about coming home with his bronx boys. Jays? Never heard that. I’m sure he would love the chance to burn the sox and he is a great Yankee stadium hitter, old or new.
Pete,
Why does Bad Behavior let me say “hemp”, but filter my comment about Kailua Beach?
offtopic again. need fantasy football advice on who to start. for WR i need one of TJ Housh, Kevin Walter, or Antonio Bryant. for TE i need one of Kevin Boss or Owen Daniels. i want to win this year.
Wave Your Hat
December 4th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
“No Lowe. Why would we pay all that money and years to a 36 year old barely above average pitcher?”
If you don’t like Lowe because he was once a Red Sox I understand. But in what world is Lowe barely above average? He’s one of the best and most dependable pitchers around.
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Perhaps, as long as hepitches in the NL West. He was brutally bad in the AL at age 30. He’s going to be 36. Perfect for San Francisco or Atlanta.
saucY,
You should start Burress. Sure he’s a turd, but he’s very explosive.
The notion that the Yanks will trade players like Matsui, and eat part of their salary, is IMO outdated. Same thing applies to trading for overpriced players.
The budget is going to be too tight for any such thing to work.
By the way, Swisher’s not going to be the center fielder on a regular basis. He doesn’t want to be, and he’s not good enough defensively there to be, the everyday CF.
Swisher isn’t really a natural center fielder. He even said that he’s a better first baseman. I agree with dumping Matsui. But the only problem is that he has a no-trade clause, so you can’t just ship him anywhere. Plus, who wants a slow footed DH, coming off a knee surgery for 13M a year.
“Not so sure Manny wants to play here? He allegedly grew up a Jays fan and hated the Yanks.”
A Jays fan, really? Why, was weed legal in Canada then too? haha.
For some reason I always thought he was a Mets fan, don’t know why tho.
mel
December 4th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
saucY,
You should start Burress. Sure he’s a turd, but he’s very explosive.
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Can you imagine what an explosive turd in the clubhouse could be like….this of the cleanup.
Wave Your Hat
December 4th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
“No Lowe. Why would we pay all that money and years to a 36 year old barely above average pitcher?”
If you don’t like Lowe because he was once a Red Sox I understand. But in what world is Lowe barely above average? He’s one of the best and most dependable pitchers around.
Wave – he is 126-107 .357 ERA lifetime and he has played on some very good teams. While that may be a little above average I wouldn’t call it one of the best and most dependable around. He is 36 and made 10 mill last year. Do you think he is worth 4 years and 18 mill which is what we would have to offer if we miss out on CC and Burnett?
CORRECTION: ***think of the cleanup.***
Perhaps, as long as hepitches in the NL West. He was brutally bad in the AL at age 30. He’s going to be 36. Perfect for San Francisco or Atlanta.”
Lowe has had one below average season out of 12. As pitchers go that is spectacular.
He’s been very good in LA. Check that. Extremely good. He probably won’t be quite as good in the AL East, but CC won’t either.
Interesting stuff on MLBTR about potential non-tender candidates this year:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-cand.html
Thoughts, anyone? Could any of these guys help the Yanks? I wouldn’t mind maybe taking a flier on Brandon Backe. From what a few friends in Houston tell me, the Astros seem like they’re ready to give up on him, but I think it is a bit too soon to do so. He came back from TJ fairly quickly and it can take a pitcher much longer to recover, so maybe we should see if he can contribute anything at some point down the line, if the cost of doing so is reasonable.
GB7,
You were on a roll. Until 4:16 pm.
Wave Your Hat
December 4th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Perhaps, as long as hepitches in the NL West. He was brutally bad in the AL at age 30. He’s going to be 36. Perfect for San Francisco or Atlanta.”
Lowe has had one below average season out of 12. As pitchers go that is spectacular.
He’s been very good in LA. Check that. Extremely good. He probably won’t be quite as good in the AL East, but CC won’t either.
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at 3-4 years and 15 mil per, he’s not worth at best a 4.50 ERA.
YankeeRay,
I would prefer not to go 4 years on Lowe, but I’d rather go 4 on Lowe than 5 on AJ.
I don’t want him over CC. I still think we’ll get CC. We are looking to fill the #2 or #3 slot here.
Lowe won’t go for $18MM. I’ve seen reports that speculated $15MM or $16MM, but I doubt if he goes that high. At least not on a four year deal.
Oh and Willy Taveras is also on the list. But yeah, by all means, let’s trade Kennedy for him! Great idea!
mel
December 4th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
GB7,
You were on a roll. Until 4:16 pm.
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It’s just a small slump. I’ll change my batting stance and get back to being a star.
I’d rather sign a guy who’s had success in the AL East. You know, lately.
“he’s not worth at best a 4.50 ERA.”
Lowe’s ERA’s for the last four years have been 3.61, 3.63, 3.88 and 3.24. Take a look at his ERA+, if you are inclined, as well.
There’s no way he projects to have a 4.50 ERA in the AL East. No way.
Mel, hasn’t AJ fished in that pond already?
I could live with a Sabathia signing and a deal with K.C involving Zack Greinke and David DeJesus.
K.C. is looking for relief help. Offer them either Jose Veras or Edwar Ramirez plus Melky and Kennedy.
Try to get Ty Wigginton from Houston for Steven Jackson, Chase Wright and whoever between Veras / Ramirez doesn’t go to KC.
I’m resigned that Teixeira will stay with the Angels.
Can’t build anything on the premise of Nick Swisher as a center fielder. Take him out of your vision and you’re alright.
Signing an average to below average pitcher that’s 36 for that kind of money blocks out the young pitching that’s coming in….like Hughes, Kennedy, De La Rosa and others. I’d prefer Pettitte for one year and then start replacing pitchers with the best of the system.
Nick,
Yes. But so did Moose.
Lowe would just be under the 4.0 ERA mark if we add the approximate AL ERA Tax of .75 runs to his ’08 numbers.
Nick Swisher is not an Ace.
Andrew: Thanks for the Steve Smith link. Yes, I’d imagine Plax’s lawyers will use that as a part of his defense. They’d be crazy not to.
Wave Your Hat
December 4th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
“he’s not worth at best a 4.50 ERA.”
Lowe’s ERA’s for the last four years have been 3.61, 3.63, 3.88 and 3.24. Take a look at his ERA+, if you are inclined, as well.
There’s no way he projects to have a 4.50 ERA in the AL East. No way.
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And where, exactly did he accomplish that? that ERA+ doesn’t account for strength of the competition.
Moose was always too classy to dally with Elisha Cuthbert. Can’t say the same about AJ.
On the other hand, Moose was also to provincial to enjoy Tokyo. And he went to Stanfurd. He’s no role model.
mel
December 4th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Nick,
Yes. But so did Moose.
Lowe would just be under the 4.0 ERA mark if we add the approximate AL ERA Tax of .75 runs to his ‘08 numbers.
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Lowe pitched mostly against some of the worst hitting teams in baseball. He’d never get it under 4.50 now, when he couldn’t do it 5-6 years ago.
“And where, exactly did he accomplish that? that ERA+ doesn’t account for strength of the competition.”
Well, then maybe he’ll pitch to a 5.50 ERA in the AL East. No wait! Make that a 6.50 ERA in the AL East! NO, THE AL EAST IS SO GOOD HE’LL PITCH TO A 7.50 ERA HERE!
Before you tell me how Lowe will pitch in the AL East, maybe you can show me some evidence for what you are basing your projections for Lowe on.
Clearly Cash is coming out to LA to try to close on CC and wants to have his ducks in a row with AJ and Lowe while he’s closing.
The AL central, last year at least, was better offensively-scored more runs- than the AL East.
hey, check out mlb trade rummors. looks like lowe has received an offer from the yanks
“He’s been very good in LA. Check that. Extremely good. He probably won’t be quite as good in the AL East, but CC won’t either.”
I’m not sure I agree with this. CC has pitched against some very tough competition the past few years, certainly more so than Lowe, but the competition he’s faced is formidable for any pitcher, IMO. The AL Central has had at least two playoff caliber teams every year since 2005. And outside of the Cubs, the NL Central may not have the same caliber of hitters as the AL East, but they become almost as good as AL East hitters when you put them in some of those shoebox ballparks – CIN and CC’s home field in MIL. I couldn’t be less worried about his transition to the AL East.
Lowe making that same transition would really worry me, however. Saying Lowe would be better than Burnett vs the East at this stage of the game is a bit like saying Giambi would be a better heart of the order guy than Adam Dunn at this stage.
In regard to the whole Steve Smith mugging and Plax shooting himself in the leg thing:
If Steve Smith were carrying a gun when he was mugged, do you really think that would have made his situation any better?
If anything I think it would have made it 500x’s worse…
uh, sorry, not from yanks or red sox.
Tomorrow is a monumental day in Vegas. Juice Simpson gets sentenced.
Tom,
The Yankees and the Rays contributed to the low run total. BUT, look at the staffs of Toronto, Boston, and the Rays. They were pretty good this year.
From MLB Trade Rumors.com.
Here’s an interesting list of possible non-tenders that gives teams an additional pool of players. Some interesting choices.
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On Friday, December 12th (at midnight I believe), the non-tender deadline will occur. Basically, that’s when teams decide whether to offer a contract to the unsigned players on their 40-man roster. Players not tendered a contract become free agents. Past non-tenders include David Ortiz, Rick Ankiel, Ryan Franklin, David Eckstein, and Chad Durbin. Usually at least a few useful guys are unearthed.
Below I’ve listed non-tender candidates for each team; it’s mostly speculative. Feel free to debate or add names in the comments; I may add to the list based on that. I tried to keep it to names that are at least mildly interesting. Bedard is unlikely but I tossed him in anyway.
Brandon Backe
Erik Bedard
Matt Belisle
Angel Berroa
John Buck
Chris Burke
Daniel Cabrera
Chris Capuano
Jason Davis
Randy Flores
Chad Gaudin
Jimmy Gobble
Jonny Gomes
Aaron Miles
Willy Taveras
“I’m not sure I agree with this. CC has pitched against some very tough competition the past few years, certainly more so than Lowe, but the competition he’s faced is formidable for any pitcher, IMO”
BBB, I was probably being more sarcastic than precise. But CC was the best pitcher in baseball last year in Milwaukee, and only one of the best in Cleveland. So I’d expect a little backsliding if he comes here.
gobble gobble gobble.
Nick-
what’s wrong with Elisha Cuthbert?
YankeeRay
Bod, youre kidding right? Manny used to talk about coming home with his bronx boys. Jays? Never heard that. I’m sure he would love the chance to burn the sox and he is a great Yankee stadium hitter, old or new.
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No, I’m not kidding. I don’t remember where I heard this. If he has some sentimental feelings about playing in the Bronx and we’re serious about him, that would be a bonus, but as I understand it, he grew up hating us.
Yes, he can hit in the Stadium, he can hit anywhere. I’ve witnessed many a Manny hit in the Stadium, unfortunately. I have really no problem with bringing him here, but left field would be out of the question in our park. He can play RF and DH.
His vendetta against the Red Sox as motivation is his own trip I guess. Hasn’t he already gotten his revenge? Once they dumped him, you knew they were goners, never to be even in the dynasty conversation. Taking his bat away took any chance of that away from them.
Cano OBP .404 in 41 AB, for those keeping score.
Wave Your Hat
December 4th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
“And where, exactly did he accomplish that? that ERA+ doesn’t account for strength of the competition.”
Well, then maybe he’ll pitch to a 5.50 ERA in the AL East. No wait! Make that a 6.50 ERA in the AL East! NO, THE AL EAST IS SO GOOD HE’LL PITCH TO A 7.50 ERA HERE!
Before you tell me how Lowe will pitch in the AL East, maybe you can show me some evidence for what you are basing your projections for Lowe on.
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So do your panties always get bunched up when people disagree with you? I can’t pull out some projected numbers on Lowe, but, you can? Do you have numbers to dispute mine?
GB7,
If i were the Yankees i would go after Gomes. Then put him in an octogon ring vs.Duncan on pay per view. Use the earnings to get C.C.,Tex,Manny and whoever else we want.
Mel, thats very true, plus the difference in runs was only 40 somthing. But the question is-was it a one year fluke or the start of a trend.
Pitching was up last year across the board. 3 out of the 5 teams in the east(Rays, O’s, Jays,) aren’t world-beaters.
Phil Parcells: I actually find little wrong with Elisha Cuthbert (although I wasn’t deeply impressed with an appearance of hers on Letterman once), but one of our most esteemed LoHud commenters cast aspersions on Miss Cuthberts morals and character.
Bod,
Hughes was a big Sox fan.
Buscholtz a Yankee.
Pavano a sox,but mother a Yankee(if i can recall).
“Show me the money!!” attitude the players and agents have, will make them a fan of any team.
S.o.S.
December 4th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
GB7,
If i were the Yankees i would go after Gomes. Then put him in an octogon ring vs.Duncan on pay per view. Use the earnings to get C.C.,Tex,Manny and whoever else we want.
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Bat wise Gomes could be a good bat, buck I’d like to see John Buck at Yankee Stadium to back up at catcher. Pitching wise, probably Gobble and Daniel Cabrera.
“I can’t pull out some projected numbers on Lowe, but, you can? Do you have numbers to dispute mine?”
I don’t think you should refer to Lowe as an average to below average pitcher when he clearly is better than that. If you don’t like him because he was a Red Sox or something, fine, but say so.
If you go to a site like fangraphs, you will see he projects to something like a 3.60 or 3.65 ERA. That takes into account aging, and I think is park nuetral, that is, adjusted for being taken out of Chavez Ravine.
No way that can get inflated to 4.50 just by moving to the AL East.
I feel so stupid. Who’s Elisha Cuthbert?
Was it the pitchers in the east getting better or PED’S making their way out of the game? Therefore less 4 baggers from a pitchers mistake. Or maybe a little of both?
WYH – OK, fair enough. I guess I would expect him to be the kind of pitcher he was at the top of his game in Cleveland, moreso than the superhuman CG wonder he was in Milwaukee. Wouldn’t want to burn him out like that anyway, even if he was able to go the distance regularly.
I dont undertstand why erik bedard would be on that list. Please explain GB?
Why aren’t the Yanks make a trade Peavy for IPK and another ML player or two? I would much rather have him then the other two/three risky guys. We should make the trade for him and save on the cash to sign Tex or another big bat.
CC
Wang
Peavey
Joba
Pettitte/Hughes
Nick in SF
December 4th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
but one of our most esteemed LoHud commenters cast aspersions on Miss Cuthberts morals and character.
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Yeah, but, that was only after you tried getting a date with her using Moose Bars as bait.
mel,
She was on 24. Jack Bours daughter. She also stared a little while ago in that high school kid dating a porn star. Forgot the name of it. She has that but crack chin. Pretty hot i must say.
John Buck would definitely be a good pickup. Dude’s got some pop and provides good insurance just in case….well you know. I don’t even want to say it. Daniel Cabrera the Yankee Killer may be a good one too, (I wouldnt be surprised if B’more doesnt non tender him though) but no one else is even a lil bit intrigued by Brandon Backe?
And she laughed at you.
Met, she was Avery’s girl friend….
mel: Elisha Cuthbert is the chick from Old School, she played Luke Wilson’s boss’ daughter that he unwittingly hooked up with at his house party.
SoS,
Thanks, not a 24 fan. Well, I do like #24, but he wears purple and gold.
So, what does she have to do with AJ & Moose?
*Mel, not Met. I’m sorry I slandered your name Mel.
S.o.S.
December 4th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Bod,
Hughes was a big Sox fan.
Buscholtz a Yankee.
Pavano a sox,but mother a Yankee(if i can recall).
“Show me the money!!” attitude the players and agents have, will make them a fan of any team.
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Dude, I don’t care what team they’re emotionally attached to. I was responding to another poser saying Manny’s dream was to be in pinstripes. I have always heard that Manny has carried his antipathy for the Yankees from childhood, and grew up rooting for the Jays.
If he does want to play for us, then that’s fine, too.
Every time I think of Elisha Cuthbert, I think of someone with a bad lisp trying to pronounce her name, and it makes me uncomfortable.
/random info
That was ‘poster’ not poser. And certainly not poseur!
BBB
December 4th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
John Buck would definitely be a good pickup. Dude’s got some pop and provides good insurance just in case….well you know. I don’t even want to say it. Daniel Cabrera the Yankee Killer may be a good one too, (I wouldnt be surprised if B’more doesnt non tender him though) but no one else is even a lil bit intrigued by Brandon Backe?
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Backe would scare me to death. If NYY comes up short on starters, signing Gobble to replace Coke as the 2nd lefty in the pen and putting Coke in the rotation is an option.
Mel, did you really post that thing about fishing in the pond without knowing who Elisha Cuthbert is?
Look at Lowe’s numbers the last two years on the sox – especially the last season. How can you say years later that Lowe will pitch any better than a 5 era. We are looking for a number three starter and Lowe wants number three starter type contract. But he will end up being our fifth starter. Lowe is a mistake – id rather have aj than lowe and id rather have sheets than aj because sheets is the only one that would accept a reasonable two year deal. The other two think they deserve four or five years for some ridiculous reason.
bodhisattva
December 4th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
That was ‘poster’ not poser. And certainly not poseur!
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I get the feeling that poser may fit a few of the “Yankee fans” on here, quite well.
Mel
I feel so stupid. Who’s Elisha Cuthbert?
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She’s hot!
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My bad bodhisattva. I did hear of him wanting to be in pinstripes a few years ago(more than once). I believe it might have been when he was put on waivers.
How that idiot could make that specific comment, does he actually think all of his “dates” are as pure as the driven snow and completely holy?
Nick,
I didn’t know who the ex-girlfriend was. But I stand by my rules for young ladies.
GB,
the ones in bold, could be worth a shot:
Brandon Backe
Erik Bedard
Matt Belisle
Angel Berroa
John Buck
Chris Burke
Daniel Cabrera
**Chris Capuano** (didn’t the Yanks wanted him last year?)
Jason Davis
Randy Flores
**Chad Gaudin**
**Jimmy Gobble**
Jonny Gomes
Aaron Miles
Willy Taveras
mel,
24 is hands down better than your #24. Jack comes through when the season is all on the line. Cant say the same for #24.
GB7 – I was thinking of Backe more along the lines as a long term project who could be stashed in the minors long enough to see if he could still be productive, and up only in case of an emergency, kind of like Mitre. But yeah, I definitely wouldnt want him as a regular member of the rotation either.
That is not a bad idea about signing Gobble and moving Coke to the rotation if need be. In fact i have always wondered just how committed the Yankees are to keeping Coke in the pen, or if they do see him as a guy that could project to be a solid starter. But if they struck out on all their desired FA’s, what do you think would happen first, moving Coke to the rotation or trying to sign a guy like Perez or (hopefully not) Wolf?
SoS,
Whatever, your 24 is pure fiction. Isn’t your 24 going down?
dave-
Lowe had a bad year in 2004. But compared to the then league ERA, it wasn’t as bad as it looked. It was only a little worse than league average. And 2003, while the ERA doesn’t wink at you, was actually a little better than league average.
But you can make too much of those two years anyway. He had many good years before 03 in the AL, and four good years after 2004, although they were in that weak sister league.
GB7-
Just for the record, I turned in my panties for a thong some time ago.
The SF Giants are lining up Mark Tex for their next signing. They have no interest in CC and never have despite the pitcher’s ties to the Bay Area.
Ed, I think they checked on Capuano just before he hurt his elbow (got a real break there). Gaudin didn’t impress me much, especially pitching in that big park in Oakland.
GB7-
“Just for the record, I turned in my panties for a thong some time ago.”
Which held up better in the jungle? Jungle rot etc..
mel, I asked for more clarity about your rules:
“are you suggesting that Canadian Elisha Cuthbert shouldn’t date other NHL players because she dated Avery or that she shouldn’t date anyone who was ever his teammate?”
If you replied, I missed it. The fact that the younf lady is Candian is, I think, relevant in this case.
And a follow-up question: should Avery refrain from dating actresses now that he’s dated Cuthbert?
GB,
Capuano got injuried during spring training right? Gaudin pitched for the Rays before.
“Which held up better in the jungle? Jungle rot etc..”
Less fabric, but doesn’t breathe as well…
BBB
December 4th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
GB7 – I was thinking of Backe more along the lines as a long term project who could be stashed in the minors long enough to see if he could still be productive, and up only in case of an emergency, kind of like Mitre. But yeah, I definitely wouldnt want him as a regular member of the rotation either.
That is not a bad idea about signing Gobble and moving Coke to the rotation if need be. In fact i have always wondered just how committed the Yankees are to keeping Coke in the pen, or if they do see him as a guy that could project to be a solid starter. But if they struck out on all their desired FA’s, what do you think would happen first, moving Coke to the rotation or trying to sign a guy like Perez or (hopefully not) Wolf?
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I think Backe would have more value to NYY as a bat than a pitcher. He just hasn’t come back to his prior numbers since missing a good part of two years with arm issues, and he wasn’t that special….but he can hit.
OT-But with regards to this Avery stuff, so he also said vulgar things to a 60 year old woman? What is wrong with this dude? He might need Dr. Phil and Oprah.
http://tinyurl.com/5ck549
Nick,
Depends. How long after the breakup? There are appearances to be kept.
I don’t want to get into Venn Diagrams or 6 degrees of separation.
I just thought it was funny that he said it on camera. I knew nothing of either party involved. And yes, it would be nice if Jeter swam in a different ocean every once in a while.
Ed – patience isn’t a virtue to some people
December 4th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
GB,
Capuano got injuried during spring training right? Gaudin pitched for the Rays before.
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Ed, he was hurt midway through 2007 and believe it was TJ Surgery. Yeah, Gaudin started in Tampa.
mel,
Not sure what you meant. But the show comes back on in January and Jack is Rambo like. Never dies.
I, like Mel, had no idea who Elisha Cuthbert was so I got the scoop from my teenage daughter and friend.
I’ve been informed that Sean Avery also dated Rachel Hunter too and she is currently dating a hockey player so the comment may not have been directed at Ms. Cuthbert.
Interesting sequence of events on MLBTR’s Burnett blurb-
“4:22pm: Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi: “It looks like we’re going to lose Burnett.”
1:53pm: O’Brien’s source says the Yankees are going to make an offer to Burnett today or tomorrow.”
Please let the Yankees have not guaranteed a 5th year!
Carol Alt has been married to Ron Greshner of the Rangers for a few years and has dated athletes (especially hockey players) and is dating Alexei Yashin now. Nobody ever says a word….By the way she’s dating guys in their 20s and she’s almost 50.
Didnt think underwear would last this long on this thread.
Here it goes. #23′s boxer briefs is the way i roll.
mel, I think your so-called rules might have a practical application in certain social settings, but I’m surprised that you would apply them in a situation about which you are admittedly ignorant. But then again it might all be tongue-in-cheek, so no harm, no foul.
My own opinion on this matter is that Avery’s comments are gauche but suspending him for them seems unwarranted.
bbb,
maybe it’ll just be a vesting option. a guaranteed 5th year would be trouble.
burnett at 4 is a risk in my opinion, but they may have to do that.
Speaking of women dating/married to hockey players. That Camaron girl from the show Growing Pains ended up a pretty hot hockey mom.
Braves offer to AJ is 4/$64M with an option for the 5th year to kick in if he hits an innings pitched goal per WFAN.
since Cashman is in Cali right now, talking to Boras. I wonder which clients of Boras, Cashman is REALLY interested in that made him go all the way to Cali? Since he’s in Cali, its also a good time to pursude CC to take the offer.
“Andy Pettitte is not going to LA” per Joe Torre.
I heard that before on the 5:40 sports update on the Michael Kay show.
Didn’t say precisely how many innings?
On Avery, a classless cad, it seems the comments were directed at both former mates.
No respect for the ladies.
Depends Ed, (and no thats not the underwear I wear), Cashman could have figured he’d go out to Cali talk to Boras about Lowe and Teixeira then head off to Vegas.
Extra, extra: Read all about it: The Roger Clemens Scandal!!
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-LOL. seriously, that ad just appear after going to the River Ave Blues site, which I found it really funny.
Can someone explain to me how a person who never wanted the Yankees to go after Derek Lowe in the first place (me) would have a very icky reaction when seeing in print that the Phillies have made an offer to him?????
I should be rejoicing, and yet, I feel a regret of sorts. I don’t want Derek Lowe. I think, except for being healthy, he’s not what the doctor ordered for the Yankees. Yet, there is a twinge of “something” that he’ll end up elsewhere.
Is it the competitive nature? Or what? I need help!!!
Tom,
Teixiera I would understand, but Lowe? didn’t Lowe made it clear, he only wants to pitch for Boston?
FWIW, over the last 4 years, Lowe has had an (league adjusted) ERA+ of 122 and a WHIP of 1.23. That’s WELL above average, better then Beckett. For 2 years, I’d be OK, but 4 or 5 is out of the question.
Doreen,
I just want to let you know that the show wicked is closing down in L.A. after January. I know you come to So cal occasionally and couldnt remember if you saw it or wanted to.
Very good and worth watching.
KD – I think it will be just a vesting option. The same site (MLBTR) said earlier that NY and Toronto were both willing to offer one for the 5th year, then it said Yanks were set to make him an offer, then the JP quote saying he thinks they lost Burnett. What I deduce from this turn of events is that Toronto & NY both offered the same contract structure but NY offered more $$ per year.
I think AJ could be a Yankee by this time tomorrow, or if not, a Brave, but I think he’ll be signed soon.
Doreen
Pitcher envy. The feeling will go away as soon as Cashman gets someones name on the dotted line.
For the record, I’m not even thrilled with giving AJ 4 guaranteed years. But I suppose we had to do something or risk being super screwed if CC signed elsewhere.
I blame the internet in general and LoHud in particular for all of us being more anxious about the hot stove and who goes where than we might have been a few years ago.
Thanks a lot Al Gore and Pete Abe!
BBB,
I feel the same way about AJ.
I miss read your line to say SUPPER screwed if c.c. signed elsewhere. Not much of a difference.
why would AJ sign before CC does? from everything we hear, and i’ll be the first to admit most of it is total junk, cc is going to be the best paid pitcher in history. that will set the market let aj’s agents use say 25 for cc and get their client 18. also the team that loses out will be more willing to give him a 5th year and/or more money.
unless he’s really nervous about the economy, it’s not in his best interest to sign before the top free agent
S.o.S. December 4th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Speaking of women dating/married to hockey players. That Camaron girl from the show Growing Pains ended up a pretty hot hockey mom.
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which one? the fat one who became bulimic?
Is Ken Rosenthal just speculating about Cano-Kemp? I can’t fathom why either team would make that deal? Don’t the Dodgers already have Tony Abreu for 2b? And if A-Jax is a budding major league CF, why trade a known commodity for an unknown one?
I think she meant Kirk’s sister.
pat and Nick in SF -
Thanks for the laughs!
SOS -
As a matter of fact, we just got tickets to take my niece to see Wicked in NYC for her 16th birthday. Can’t wait.
I am very surprised to hear the LA production is ending its run. I’m guessing the economy is making itself felt everywhere.
The NYC production should be okay for a while – we’re going in March and most of the productions through January were pretty much sold out. (We had to plan around when my older daughter is home from school.)
pat and Nick in SF -
Thanks for the laughs! “Pitcher envy.” I love it!
SOS -
As a matter of fact, we just got tickets to take my niece to see Wicked in NYC for her 16th birthday. Can’t wait.
I am very surprised to hear the LA production is ending its run. I’m guessing the economy is making itself felt everywhere.
The NYC production should be okay for a while – we’re going in March and most of the productions through January were pretty much sold out. (We had to plan around when my older daughter is home from school.)
My name’s Gennaro!
mel,
The problem I have with your rules (although I sort of agree on a personal level) is that they feed into our society’s habit of “slut shaming” (a term used on feminist blogs). They go back to the whole virgin/wh—(don’t know if that word will get through the filter) dichotomy – and the perception that on a certain level all women must be one or the other. It also feeds into the general idea that all women are open to public judgment on their morals and sexuality – often for doing what would be unremarkable if they were male.
I realize now you didn’t even know who the ex was, and so weren’t making a comment about anyone in particular, but I just don’t think a woman should be held in disdain based on her dating habits if she isn’t breaking any laws or breaking up marriages.
Avery waited until he had gathered all the media around him, and the TV cameras were live. It wasn’t some off-the-cuff remark – it was planned and rehearsed. I think the NHL wanted to get out in front of this before the debate on misogyny in hockey got rolling.
I believe so. Kirk Camorens sister(Candice i think). Started training with her nhl husband and toned up.
Candace Cameron was on Full House, not Growing Pains.
“I think she meant Kirk’s sister.”
KS,
Its Mr.SOS. I wear boxer briefs!!
Carol Alt has been divorced from Greschner for about 10 years. It was a VERY nasty breakup.
They just had a nasty lawsuit in NY over interest in his brother’s business. Alt alleged Greschner bilked her out of millions. Greschner prevailed in the case.
She is now going out with Alexi Yashin.
Candace Cameron is married to Valeri Bure, Pavel’s brother.
No news flash that Torre “announces” Pettitte is not going to play for the Dodgers. Anybody who follows the Dodgers current financial situation knows that was never an option.
Yesterday, the rumors were the Braves were going to offer Burnett a 5 year deal. Turns out, its the same deal structure as what the Yankees will put on the table.
Now we will find out if what AJ told Damon, Bruney and Jeter during the season (that he wants to play for the Yankees) is true.
Its not like the Yankees offer will be less than what he can get from other teams.
Bad week to be a NY football player. Jet Shaun Ellis charged with Marijuana possession.
The Dodgers dead weight Jones, Pierre, and Schmidt is awful. That’s what 35-40 million? Ouch!
Doreen
December 4th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Can someone explain to me how a person who never wanted the Yankees to go after Derek Lowe in the first place (me) would have a very icky reaction when seeing in print that the Phillies have made an offer to him?????
I should be rejoicing, and yet, I feel a regret of sorts. I don’t want Derek Lowe. I think, except for being healthy, he’s not what the doctor ordered for the Yankees. Yet, there is a twinge of “something” that he’ll end up elsewhere.
Is it the competitive nature? Or what? I need help!!!
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I’m guessing that you’re from Philadelphia and are afraid that he’ll further pollute the area.
pat,
Your correct. Kirk was in Growing Pains and Candace was in Full House. Mixed it up. And no she wasnt belimic. That was the girl on Growing Pains. BTW she is married to the Valeri Bure brother of Pavel.
YES hot stove is very good this week; I could listen to Murry Chase (even though he hates sabermetrics) talk baseball for hours.
SJ comes through with the hockey wife/ABC sitcom star axis gossip! This is an unexpected development.
Nick,
My thought exactly!
SJ44
December 4th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Carol Alt has been divorced from Greschner for about 10 years. It was a VERY nasty breakup.
They just had a nasty lawsuit in NY over interest in his brother’s business. Alt alleged Greschner bilked her out of millions. Greschner prevailed in the case.
She is now going out with Alexi Yashin.
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That split was as ugly as Mark and Lisa Gastineau. I think Lisa and daughter Brittny have dated the same guys if rumors are true.
Doreen,
Best show iv ever been to. Im sure your neice is going to love it. Enjoy it. We will miss not having it here.
And he broke it down like he was giving a scouting report…
Well done Sir!
I go WAY back on the hockey stuff, folks. lol
Was in college at the time the Rangers had a farm team in my hometown. Got friendly with guys like Don and Dave Maloney, Ron Duguay, and Don Murdoch.
In fact, Dave married a classmate of mine from college.
Hockey players always seemed to have great luck with actresses. Even, “back in the day”. lol
SJ44,
Forgive me if this had been discussed already but I just got home.
Are you saying the Yankees are willing to go 5 years on Burnett?
Tom
December 4th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
And he broke it down like he was giving a scouting report…
Well done Sir!
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Yeah, but, I broke the story first. He’s just a Hedda Hopper to my Luella Parsons/Rona Barrett.
Nick,
Even Erin Andrews got in the act. She dated a guy on the Florida Panthers a couple of years ago. Now, if the rumors are true, she is “dating” a married MLB player.
Another “celebrity” hockey couple: Bret Hedigan, who recently retired from the NHL after 12 years, is married to Kristi Yamagouchi, the figure skater.
Drive,
No. What I am saying is, the Yankees can put a vesting 5th year option in the deal, as other teams are doing, if that’s what it takes to get it done.
If he hits certain milestones, the 5th year would kick in. It would not be guaranteed unless he hit the milestones.
If this is the gossip hour – anyone know the scoop on Kevin Long?
Someone posted a link recently to a LA columnist article about his wedding.
What happened to his first wife? The one he talked about how she supported him while he was in the minors?
SJ44
December 4th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Nick,
Even Erin Andrews got in the act. She dated a guy on the Florida Panthers a couple of years ago. Now, if the rumors are true, she is “dating” a married MLB player.
Another “celebrity” hockey couple: Bret Hedigan, who recently retired from the NHL after 12 years, is married to Kristi Yamagouchi, the figure skater.
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Speaking of skating on thin ice, former pro tennis player Dino Martin (Dean’s kid) was married to Dorothy Hamel. Hard to believe she’s 52.
Clare
December 4th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
If this is the gossip hour – anyone know the scoop on Kevin Long?
Someone posted a link recently to a LA columnist article about his wedding.
What happened to his first wife? The one he talked about how she supported him while he was in the minors?
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She left him and is now dating Bobby Orr.
SJ:
wait a sec, who is Erin Andrew dating? is there a name?
Forget about CC watch-All this gossip is more interesting.
Is that other actress from Full House still a Meth addict? The middle child
“Now, if the rumors are true, she is “dating” a married MLB player.”
you wouldn’t by any chance happen to know which one, would you? Just curious.
As far as beautiful actresses’ infatuations with hockey players, as a female myself, add that one to the long list of things I’ll never understand. Hockey players are not even attractive, most of them have mullets, what are these women doing mooning over them when there are perfectly good MLB and NFL players out there, too?
Wait, I thought Tina Yothers (Jennifer, I think) from Family Ties was the meth addict, not Stephanie Tanner! I can’t even keep all this has-been drug addiction dirt straight dammit, lol.
“Brian Cashman and Scott Boras met today to go over the agent’s high-end free agent shopping list that includes Mark Teixeira, Manny Ramirez, Derek Lowe and Oliver Perez.”
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....142659.htm
The Olsen Twins were drug addict too.
S.A., She’s now switched to heroin and coke. She’s now wanted for two bank robberies along with Marcel Dion, former LA Kings center.
David Ortiz told a reporter A-Rod will play for the DR in the WBC.
BTW, I just read the KLaw chat and lost all respect for him today.
He insisted, several times, that the Avery comment was not offensive. Now, I could see saying that the suspension was an overreaction, that it was too harsh, etc, but to say that it wasn’t at all offensive is just infuriating.
He mentioned in the same chat changing the batteries in his daughter’s Tinkerbell light. I used to think that having daughters was something that made even the most sexist men rethink things. Guess not.
LOL
the guy you played the youngest son on Family Ties is now a fugitive? So, if anyone sees him. Notify the police.
I don’t think Tina Yothers ever had a meth addiction. All I remember hearing about her is that she is in a band now.
According to Wikipedia(I know..reliable right?)
pat,
Really? I guess it makes sense, since last time his mom wanted him to play for the DR and Cynthia wanted the US. Now Cynthia’s opinion doesn’t count, so mom wins.
Well, I’m so happy to see we’re all up on our TV trivia! Pretty funny stuff. And, as was stated, the facts coming from an unexpected corner: SJ44!
Clare -
First wives who support their husbands seem to not do so well once the husbands have reached their goals, no? Is it guilt? Or do those first wives drive home (a little “too” much) the fact that husband would not be where they are without their support? True though it may be, no one likes to be reminded (perhaps incessantly) how dependent they were/are on another person.
Hockey. Yeesh. I could never, ever get into it. Not even for the 1980 Olympics, despite the fact that I was happy the US team won. Now, I find myself going to a hockey game on December 29th. I think it’s a Rangers game because it’s at MSG. My husband won the tickets in a charity auction. I swear I’ve never watched more than 2 minutes – and that’s a stretch – in my life. I can’t follow the puck and I don’t understand the rules. It seems like an awful lot of action for a very little scoring. The names are great, though – my brother was/is a hockey fan so I do know some of the who’s who of hockey. And we visited the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto this summer and I touched the Stanley Cup and it was really cool. But I know NOTHING about the game!
(I would suggest that my husband take someone else, but we don’t get to go out alone all that much, so I’m taking advantage and having a date!)
GreenBeret7 December 4th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
S.A., She’s now switched to heroin and coke. She’s now wanted for two bank robberies along with Marcel Dion, former LA Kings center.
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Somehow..someway…we all know A-Rod is really to blame.
I can only speculate about why women would be attracted to any particular type of athlete (except I totally get why some of you are so attracted to Xavier Nady: he’s a brain California Golden Bear!), but I think hockey players are the biggest male athlete celebrities (and celebrities in general?) up in Canada, so it makes perfect sense for a pretty Canadian girl like Elisha Cuthbert to like dating them.
Since we’re getting super-deep into the gossip, who has heard that another Full House star, Dave Coulier, is the subject of the Alanis Morrissette song “You Oughta Know”? I only bring it up because she is also Canadian and they reportedly met at a hockey game — in Canadia!
Snopes is non-committal about it.
Ed – patience isn’t a virtue to some people
December 4th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
The Olsen Twins were drug addict too.
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That’s true, Ed. but, that has nothing to do with what we’re discussing. They aren’t dating hockey and skating stars. sta on the subject.
Well, I’m so happy to see we’re all up on our TV trivia! Pretty funny stuff. And, as was stated, the facts coming from an unexpected corner: SJ44!
Clare -
First wives who support their husbands seem to not do so well once the husbands have reached their goals, no? Is it guilt? Or do those first wives drive home (a little “too” much) the fact that husband would not be where they are without their support? True though it may be, no one likes to be reminded (perhaps incessantly) how dependent they were/are on another person.
Hockey. Yeesh. I could never, ever get into it. Not even for the 1980 Olympics, despite the fact that I was happy the US team won. Now, I find myself going to a hockey game on December 29th. I think it’s a Rangers game because it’s at MSG. My husband won the tickets in a charity auction. I swear I’ve never watched more than 2 minutes – and that’s a stretch – in my life. I can’t follow the puck and I don’t understand the rules. It seems like an awful lot of action for a very little scoring. The names are great, though – my brother was/is a hockey fan so I do know some of the who’s who of hockey (I recognized some of the names you cited, SJ44). And we visited the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto this summer and I touched the Stanley Cup and it was really cool. But I know NOTHING about the game!
(I would suggest that my husband take someone else, but we don’t get to go out alone all that much, so I’m taking advantage and having a date!)
I have nothing against a vesting option for AJ. However Peavy is a way better pitcher and all we would have to do is give SD a few decent prospects and then extend Peavy. It would still be cheaper than signing AJ just my opinion.
“what are these women doing mooning over them when there are perfectly good MLB and NFL players out there, too?”
BBB,
Chicks dig the missing front teeth. Thats all i can think of.
S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers
December 4th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
GreenBeret7 December 4th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
S.A., She’s now switched to heroin and coke. She’s now wanted for two bank robberies along with Marcel Dion, former LA Kings center.
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Somehow..someway…we all know A-Rod is really to blame.
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That comes as no surprise, S.A.. I’m sure that Rodriguez will break up Girardi’s marriage next.
The difference is, Peavy doesn’t want to play for the Yankees, and the “few” decent prospects are named Hughes and Jackson.
At this point, especially after getting rid of Greene, Towers doesn’t have to trade Peavy.
He’s definitely not going to give him away.
You have a guy who doesn’t want to be a Yankee and will cost you prospects, as opposed to FA’s who only cost you money.
I think the Yankees, if they can, choose the second option everytime.
S.o.S.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
“what are these women doing mooning over them when there are perfectly good MLB and NFL players out there, too?”
BBB,
Chicks dig the missing front teeth. Thats all i can think of.
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What woman in her right mind wouldn’t love a guy that can spit through gaps in his teeth?
With all this 80′s t.v. shows drugs talk. You have to appreciate The crew from the Cosby Show keeping their nose clean.
GB7,
The hockey slogan …Real men dont need to wear mouth pieces.
gamble with Chad Gaudin? Probably, we will catch a lighting in a bottle with him since he’s going to be non-tendered by the Cubs anyway. Here’s his scouting report:
[[Listed at 5'10", Gaudin is smaller than the prototypical starting pitcher. However, he compensates with excellent "stuff." Gaudin's arsenal consists of a low-90's 4-seam fastball and a heavy-sinking 2-seam fastball that sits in the high-80s-to-low-90s. He complements these pitches with a hard-breaking slider and a changeup. Gaudin struggles with his control at times, but has shown that he can be a reliable middle-of-the-rotation pitcher or an excellent option coming out of the bullpen.]]
“The difference is, Peavy doesn’t want to play for the Yankees, and the “few” decent prospects are named Hughes and Jackson.”
Wrong. I doubt either of those guys would have to be in the deal. IPK/Romine or Betances/Romine could get it done. However with Betances possibly on track for a late 2010 arrival I suppose it would be wise to hold onto him. Lowe getting 5 years? That alone makes me cringe.
Noses clean
Cosby Show
Not so clean
Different Strokes
S.o.S.
December 4th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
With all this 80’s t.v. shows drugs talk. You have to appreciate The crew from the Cosby Show keeping their nose clean.
GB7,
The hockey slogan …Real men dont need to wear mouth pieces.
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Cosby ran a side business using kids in the sweat shops making Fat Albert t-shirts.
There’s also a rumor that The Golden Girls work nat the Mustange Ranch i
There’s also a rumor that The Golden Girls work nat the Mustange Ranch in Nevada to support their Bingo habits.
“The difference is, Peavy doesn’t want to play for the Yankees, and the “few” decent prospects are named Hughes and Jackson.
At this point, especially after getting rid of Greene, Towers doesn’t have to trade Peavy.
He’s definitely not going to give him away.
You have a guy who doesn’t want to be a Yankee and will cost you prospects, as opposed to FA’s who only cost you money.
I think the Yankees, if they can, choose the second option everytime.”
I hear you SJ44, but it sounds like CC doesn’t want to play in NY or on the East coast either – but I guess money can change your mind, it would change mine. I believe Peavy has a no trade clause, so if he really doesn’t want to come play in NY he won’t.
Doreen, hockey is great live. I don’t follow it much, but would never pass up the opportunity to see it in person.
As for why actresses date hockey stars? My guess would be their toughness. In what other major sport do guys get their faces cut, go back and get stitched up, then come back to play, all in the same period.
Maybe some but not me. I’d want to trade Cano for Kemp because Kemp has more potential and because it helps the team fill 2 holes this season.
Cano for Kemp, sign Furcal for 2B, in 2010 call up Austin Jackson and move Kemp over to RF, sign Holliday for LF.
I know this will never happen but I can dream can’t I?
sounds more like you are having a nightmare man! holliday is a horrible batter outside of colorado! look at the difference in his ba…. i never want to see him in pinstripes!
cano had a bad season last year but we all saw what he is capable the previous year, so i cant see trading him for anyone! we have 3 corner outfielders that arent going anywhere in nady, damon and matsui so another corner outfielder makes no sense to me either…