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Colletti: No talks with Yankees

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post


Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti just said, literally two minutes ago, that has not had any talks with the Yankees since July.

So those rumors about talks involving Robinson Cano and Matt Kemp are false.

UPDATE, 4:02 p.m.: The Dodgers are focused on retaining Casey Blake to play third base so that they can keep Blake DeWitt at second. If they don’t keep Blake, they would have to move DeWitt to third and then go out and get a second baseman via trade or free agency.

But Colletti said they were prepared to be very aggressive with Blake. Yahoo! Sports is reporting that a deal could be imminent, in fact.

Meanwhile, Colletti said the Dodgers have not made CC Sabathia an offer but that it was a possibility depending on how other issues (Manny Ramirez) broke for them.

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111 Responses to “Colletti: No talks with Yankees”

  1. islesfan December 8th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    I don’t believe him. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

  2. E-Man December 8th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Anyone that wants to trade Cano based on one bad season has a few screws loose in their head.

  3. Arial December 8th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    It’s good to hear such silliness currently has no legs.

  4. Vrsce December 8th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    That is good news Pete.

    Cano is a keeper.

  5. NYSportsFan.org December 8th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Assuming you believe Colletti…

    And to all those who posters who wouldn’t want the Yankees to make this deal: Kemp is a beast. Robinson Cano is not. Maybe West Coast games are past your bed time…

  6. Nick in SF December 8th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Like Ned Colletti would even know…

    from previous thread:

    Bronx Jeers, I did the switcheroo trick with Negra Modello (I think) from the mini bar at the El Presidente in Mexico City. No motions sensors, of course. Half the fun was walking around the neighborhood and finding the same beer. And drinking the rest of the six pack for less than the cost of the one beer in the mini bar.

  7. NY 23 December 8th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    How Do , That’s good news . Cashman is working on Christmas Presents C.C. and A.J.
    Very Nice !!!

  8. KennyH123 December 8th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Cano is highly tradable. But for pitching. Really good pitching. Not Matt Kemp.

    Cano is still very young and very talented. I have no doubt he’ll get his BA up again. Too bad BA is the most overrated stat in baseball. Its about OBP, people. Money ball. Cano stinks at it. He’s also a lackadaisical, indiffererent player both in the field and on the bases. I stopped counting the camera shots of Cano laughing in the Yankee dugout playing some game while the Yankees were losing 9-1 on the field.

  9. Vrsce December 8th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Or maybe you are just wrong.

  10. alvaro espinoza's hipster frames December 8th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    so you’re telling me there’s a chance

  11. CB December 8th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    From the last thread:

    “Do they bench Jones in favor of Kemp? What would it take to get 26 y.o. Ethier who was fantastic last year ”

    That’s what Torre did last year so there’s no reason to believe he’ll go back to jones now.

    That was the big thing last year in LA – would Torre play the trusted veterans or the kids.

    Well he benched the veterans and he played the kids. Go figure.

    These trades can’t have any substance. There’s no way the dodgers are going to trade kemp for cano. Cano just isn’t worth that much.

    And forget about adding Kuo. He’s fantastic. Electric arm. Was arguably one of the 10 best relief pitchers in baseball last year.

  12. Peter Abraham December 8th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    There is no smoke. Or fire. It’s not happening. They’re signing Blake and DeWitt will play second. End of story.

  13. E-Man December 8th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    oh please.. let’s not overrate Kemp too much now.

  14. RhapsodyInBlue December 8th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    Source of the Cano/Dodger rumor is Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8912072

  15. frits December 8th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    lets see them sign blake first.

  16. CB December 8th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    “oh please.. let’s not overrate Kemp too much now.”

    It’s not about over rating kemp. It has much more to do with over rating cano’s value on the trade market.

    The only people who believe its plausible that cano is equal value for Kemp are some yankee fans. That’s it.

    Cano had a sub-.300 OBP as a 26 year old player. He was one of the worst players in all of baseball last year.

    Sure we’ve seen him play and can hope he gets his form back both offensively and defensively.

    But how much value do you think other teams put in that kind of player? Sub .300 OBP? Not much.

    Kemp as a raw 23 yo had an OBP of .340 last year, hitting 18 HR and hitting .290.

    Kemp had a better year last season and has a much higher ceiling than Cano. Why would this trade one for one ever go through?

    Think about it from Colletti’s perspective.

    It’s just a fabricated rumor.

  17. E-Man December 8th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    I can’t wait to read the Mickey Mantle comparisons with Kemp like the Tom Glavine and Roger Clemens comparisons with Ian Kennedy.

  18. E-Man December 8th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    You’re comparing Kemp’s High to Cano’s Low.

    Cano had an off season last year.. It happens to every player.

  19. Laura - The Hot Stove is Stone cold! December 8th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    “There is no smoke. Or fire. It’s not happening. They’re signing Blake and DeWitt will play second. End of story.”

    Thank God. The “Cano for Kemp” argument was getting as tiresome as the “We should have gotten Santana” argument.

  20. paulie December 8th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    I love this time of the year!!!!

  21. trisha - CC will opt to be a Yankee. December 8th, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    “So those rumors about talks involving Robinson Cano and Matt Kemp are false.”

    Did anyone actually believe otherwise? (I’m being facetious. I said in the thread below that I am prepared to read more talk about some Yankee fans wanting Peavy.)

    I have always made it a point to ignore trade and purchase rumors and believe something only when the Yankees make if official.

    Carry on!

  22. ralph December 8th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Sabathia doesn’t want to come here, and Cashman is putting all of his eggs in one basket. He’ll be left out in the cold if he doesn’t move on. Call their bluff and withdraw the offer from someone who doesn’t want to be a Yankee, thus destroying the agent and Sabathia’s credibility with the union, and go elsewhere for pitching and offense, thus making them a better balanced team that won’t rely on a guy whose arm could be shot at any time. I’d rather have length in the rotation then width.(see Zito, Pavano).
    Don’t forget that CC has been bad in the playoffs, and he was awful in the AL before the trade last season.

  23. Arial December 8th, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Rosenthal has not demonstrated any level of reliability. In his zest to get the lead, he’ll go with almost anything.

  24. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers December 8th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    It is indeed the most wonderful time of the year.
    Hopefully Santa(Cashman?) gets us CC for X-Mas

  25. dave December 8th, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    Wow so the dodgers may actually be a player if CC is allowed to lead us on long enough. SET THE DEADLINE CASH! SET THE DEADLINE NOW! We cant allow genske to retain our offer while all the time waiting for a better one. If he is forced to choose between what is reality and what could be if everything breaks right for them – he will have to pick the 140 mil now. And if he doesnt … he clearly doesnt want to be here and we can move on. But with every passing day, it gets more and more likely that another team could get involved. I say we offer him a deadline for a week – if he says yes we signs him and if he says no we retract the offer and use the money for Tex. Then, we go out and sign sheets and one of the other free agent pitchers (preferably AJ over Lowe.) Then, we resign pettitte. And we could even make a trade or two. So we have Wang, Sheets, AJ, Pettitte, Joba. And we have Damon, Jeter, Arod, Tex, Nady, Matsui, Swisher, Posada, Cano. And we could trade Melky and Cano for Kemp and sign orlando hudson and the lineup could look even better. CC is a need but he isnt a must have in order to win. This team could easily make the playoffs as long as sheets and AJ stay reasonably healthy – they can also be replaced with hughes/IPK/Aceves/Coke or Geise giving us plenty of leeway if an injury does occur midseason.

  26. 86w183 December 8th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Pete you gotta be smarter than that! Just because Coletti” has not had any talks with the Yankees that doesn’t mean his assistant GM or owner or manager hasn’t.

    I don’t know if there have been talks or not, but General Managers are politicians and know how to mislead without lying… a skill Girardi desperately needs to develop.

    Matt Kemp is one of the best looking young players in the game. If Cano and Cabrera can get Kemp and a decent arm I would do that. You could replace Cano with Hudson or you could do something a lot less expensive and focus on defense.

  27. trisha - CC will opt to be a Yankee. December 8th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    The only smoke around here is the smell of old newspapers with false trade rumors being thrown in wood burning stoves to keep the news rooms warm! Unless this is anyone’s very first season watching baseball, you have to know unequivocally that lots and lots of trade rumors have no legs whatsoever.

  28. richard December 8th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Thanks from Reno,Nv. Pete for the best blog going.

  29. CB December 8th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    “You’re comparing Kemp’s High to Cano’s Low.”

    Not true. As a 22 year old kemp hit .342 with an 894 OPS in 98 games.

    Pretty comparable to what Cano’s best. Cano hit .342 with an .890 OPS as a 24 year old.

    As it is kemp has played two years in the league so discussing his “high” is a 50/50 proposition. You only have one of two seasons to pick.

    And last year there was simply no comparison between them.

    Believe what you choose but Cano was one of the 10 worst players in the entire league last year.

    Sure players have off seasons – but that wasn’t an off season – it was a cataclysmic disaster. If you can find me other 26 year olds who dropped off that dramatically without an injury. i’d be interested in knowing who they are.

    I’m a Cano fan. I think he’ll get back to being a productive player.

    But that still doesn’t change what Cano is worth right now. And its nowhere close to kemp.

    It just is what it is. Cano fell off a cliff. Kemp got better.

  30. Clare December 8th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    CB,
    Do you have any theories as to why Cano fell off the cliff?

  31. Joe Schmoe 2 December 8th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    12:31 p.m. — Burnett shows interest in Yanks

    A.J. Burnett seems more interested in pitching in New York than CC Sabathia, the Yankees’ other top free-agent target. While Sabathia sits on the Yankees’ offer of the richest-ever pitching contract and reportedly met with GM Brian Cashman, Burnett has reached out to former Yankee Carl Pavano, who did not steer him away from the Yankees. Pavano, who did not enjoy his New York experience, told Burnett “he has the stuff to pitch there,” according to a major-league source. –Ed Price

  32. 86w183 December 8th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Ralph — CC got off to a lousy start last year, but in his last elven starts BEFORE he was traded his ERA was 2.14 and he averaged 7 2/3 per start. To claim he was “awful” is absurd.

    I agree with giving CC another 72 hours. There’s something to be said for letting him knopw you are ready willing and able to move on. No one should have to be begged to wear pinstripes.

  33. Al from BK( Time to move on, go get Tex Cash!) December 8th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Tex for 7 years 140 million.
    AJ 4 years 64 million vesting option for 5th year
    Andy Pettitte 1 year 14 million

    50 million in added payroll and an overall salary of 190 million.

    Line-up

    Damon-CF
    Jeter-SS
    Teixeira-1B
    A-Rod-3B
    Matsui-DH
    Nady-RF
    Cano-2B
    Swisher-LF
    Posada-C

    Rotation-
    Wang
    AJ
    Andy
    Joba
    Hughes/Aceves/Coke

  34. Doreen December 8th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    As long as no one else is in a rush to sign (i.e. – everyone’s waiting for CC to “set the market”) then it seems to me the Yankees don’t really have to be in a rush, either. No ultimatums, I mean. I can’t see how that would help.

    But if Burnett or Lowe or Sheets or anyone else starts making noise like they’re ready to go, then the Yankees have to move.

  35. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    The difference, offensively, between Cano and Kemp is one bad year and two years in age. Kemp walks a tiny bit more than Cano but he’s a free swinger like Cano. Kemp plays in a pitcher’s park. Otherwise, power is similar and hitting is similar. They both play skill positions.

    Comparing ages 22 and 23, Cano and Kemp were remarkably similar. Since 23, Cano has had one very good year and one bad year.

    Cano’s bad year was batting average driven. If Kemp’s batting average drops, his numbers will look bad too. That’s the problem with players who don’t walk much.

    That said, Cano’s bad year and added two years make him less attractive in a trade than Kemp. But Cano is perfectly capable of having an excellent year next year, and teams know it. Cano is not worth what he was worth at this time last year, but he’s worth quite a bit.

    The Yanks are hoping to get two to three FA pitchers. That means they could trade minor league pitchers.

    The Dodgers could use another pitcher. I personally would add any pitcher in our farm system, other than Hughes, to a Cano for Kemp swap.

    If the Dodgers don’t retain Blake, it’s very possible they’d be interested in such a deal, it seems to me.

  36. 4 x 4 December 8th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Prediction – None of the big FAs will be off the market by the end of the Meetings, except a couple closers and maybe Frucal.

  37. Joe Schmoe 2 December 8th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    “No one should have to be begged to wear pinstripes.”– so cliche, honestly

  38. dave December 8th, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Of course, AJ wants to play here for 5 years and 100 million dollars. And the yanks going into a bidding war with the braves and redsox = AJ being a rich man.

  39. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers December 8th, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Ya know, CC is kinda making a huge decision here. God forbid the man takes some time to decide.

  40. Yankee Trader December 8th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Peter Abraham
    December 8th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
    “There is no smoke. Or fire. It’s not happening. They’re signing Blake and DeWitt will play second. End of story.”

    The last time there was fire and smoke, was the first game Fred McGriff played at Turner Field for the Braves!!

    Pete- Any word on John Smoltz wanting to test free agency, since he seems to recuperating nicely from shoulder surgery earlier in the summer?

    Burnett-Not surprised he’d want to pitch for NY as it’s close to Baltimore, and the limo ride is much closer than Toronto. His family had 9 limousine rides to Baltimore included in his contract.

  41. Brad December 8th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    If the pitcher is Chad Billingsley, I would definitely pursue this deal, then sign Hudson

  42. Edwards December 8th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    It’s inevitable that CC will go to the Angels.

    CC seems content on waiting around for the right offer from the WC teams and the Angels won’t wait forever on Tex due to fear of losing out on him AND CC. It’s just a question of when CC decides to move on from Tex. You know it will happen eventually— the Angels will not let their off-season plans drag into January when there is no guarantee they can even outbid the Sox for Tex. Not to mention, if a team like the Giants nab CC, then the Yankees will jump in the Tex mix, basically killing the Angels’ offseason.

    Too risky for LAA, they will jump into the CC mix shortly.

  43. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    E-Man
    December 8th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
    I can’t wait to read the Mickey Mantle comparisons with Kemp like the Tom Glavine and Roger Clemens comparisons with Ian Kennedy.

    ————————————————————

    Nobody has compared Kennedy to Clemens or Glavine, or, for that matter, Maddux. All that was mentioned was that all had bad starts to their careers.

  44. CB December 8th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    “As long as no one else is in a rush to sign (i.e. – everyone’s waiting for CC to “set the market”) then it seems to me the Yankees don’t really have to be in a rush, either.”

    It’s a good point Doreen. Right now there really isn’t a pressing rush.

    But I have a feeling that once a few people sign we may see a torrent.

    I think guys may want to sign earlier this year to make sure they get a slice of the money that the clubs have budgeted to spend, particularly before any more bad economic news comes out (e.g. congress telling citibank its can’t spend $20M to advertise with the mets on citi field, etc.).

    Every year a few guys wind up like Kyle Lohse and Jeremy Affeldt did last year – unsigned very close to spring training and they are forced to take whatever they can get.

    That could happen this year on a wider scale, particularly for positions where supply is relatively large e.g. LF.

  45. Al from BK( Time to move on, go get Tex Cash!) December 8th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    “Ya know, CC is kinda making a huge decision here. God forbid the man takes some time to decide.”

    4 weeks with 140 million on the table? I think hes had enough time, next!

  46. Nick in SF December 8th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Carl Pavano as Assistant GM for Player Recruitment? Sweet.

    From John Shea, the SF Chronicle’s baseball writer:

    “The Giants will continue to monitor Sabathia’s moves, wondering if the lefty would take far less to play far closer to his roots.

    So as teams congregate here, they’re speculating where the market, the economy and their budgets will lead them. For now, they’re mostly cautious, and maybe they have a right to be. After all, the biggest signing at last year’s winter meetings was Andruw Jones, and the only thing depreciating faster than Andruw Jones is the Dow Jones.”

  47. duh December 8th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    “and he was awful in the AL before the trade last season.”

    right, except he wasn’t.

    good try though.

  48. dave December 8th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    I hate to quote Ken Rosenthal but here it is:

    “As the Dodgers try to resolve their infield, they are again talking to the Yankees about a trade for second baseman Robinson Cano. The teams have resumed their discussions about Cano at the winter meetings, according to one source.
    The Dodgers also are interested in Yankees center fielder Melky Cabrera, and the Yankees likely would want outfielder Matt Kemp and pitching in return. The Dodgers’ interest in Cabrera is a sign that they might not be confident of Andruw Jones making a strong return in 2009.”

    So did that one source just make all of this up???? I dont understand why they would continue to fabricate this story as its not like it really helps them in any way. And there is not even a single decent centerfielder on the market right now and the dodgers have to be really worried that Jones will not stay healthy for the duration of next season. They need a backup outfielder who can start when called upon. While Torre was still with us, that is almost exactly what melky was – a borderline starting outfielder/fourth outfielder who is very cheap and very available.

    The dodgers dont want to give up their solid prospects to get a centerfielder via trade because they already have Jones there. What would the other player do in the meantime – he would be useless. Everyone on this blog last year was talking up melky like he was going to have a breakout year next year. People viewed him soo highly. Perhaps, Torre who did not see melky fall into oblivion still feels this way to some extent. He may feel melky is the perfect option to sit on the bench as a backuo outfielder when jones is healthy and replace jones and start when he is injured. I think this does make ALOT of sense to some extent. And the story couldnt have been made up from thin air because it doesnt help the dodgers in any way that i could think of.

  49. 213 Area Code December 8th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Keep up the good work Pete. Everyone in the NYY Universe is pressing the refresh button like crazy. You do a great job.

  50. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    dave
    December 8th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
    I hate to quote Ken Rosenthal but here it is:

    “As the Dodgers try to resolve their infield, they are again talking to the Yankees about a trade for second baseman Robinson Cano. The teams have resumed their discussions about Cano at the winter meetings, according to one source.

    ————————————————————

    Somebody needs to tell Rosenthal that doris day is not a credible source.

  51. Wave Your Hat December 8th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    “Somebody needs to tell Rosenthal that doris day is not a credible source.”

    That’s Doris Kappelhoff to you.

  52. Brandon (TEIX IS NOT WORTH IT, GET CC !)..."Don't trade Robi !" December 8th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Now we can go after Jake Peavy.

    BTW anyone who would actually give a damn someone has the bid at $405.00 US dollars for Alex’s spandex. IDK either :?

  53. Laura - The Hot Stove is Stone cold! December 8th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    “Somebody needs to tell Rosenthal that doris day is not a credible source.”

    I thought you said that you weren’t competing with Nick for funniest blog member. Sure seems like it to me. :)

  54. E-Man December 8th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    “Nobody has compared Kennedy to Clemens or Glavine, or, for that matter, Maddux. All that was mentioned was that all had bad starts to their careers.”

    and that’s a comparision isn’t it?

    OR why bring those names up at all? Every pitcher has bad starts.

  55. Al from BK( Time to move on, go get Tex Cash!) December 8th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    “Sabathia doesn’t want to come here, and Cashman is putting all of his eggs in one basket. He’ll be left out in the cold if he doesn’t move on. Call their bluff and withdraw the offer from someone who doesn’t want to be a Yankee, thus destroying the agent and Sabathia’s credibility with the union, and go elsewhere for pitching and offense”

    I agree once we pull out CC will have to take 90-110 million tops. He and his agent will be out 40-50 million and he will be making less than Zito :) This is the only way to save face and improve the team, if we wait too long we might lose out on Tex and AJ as well.

  56. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers December 8th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    “4 weeks with 140 million on the table? I think hes had enough time, next!”

    For you it might be enough time. For him, not enough. If he takes the deal, big changes a comin for him and his family. Something he is probably thinking about. This is probably one of the biggest decisions in his life he is going to make. Give the man some time!

  57. E-Man December 8th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    “Believe what you choose but Cano was one of the 10 worst players in the entire league last year.”

    Ok, I’ll just believe what I choose then.

  58. Nick in SF December 8th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    CC was so awful last year that he was just given the Warren Spahn Award for being baseball’s best lefty for the second straight year.

    I wonder what an under-30 pitcher like that would be worth on the open market.

  59. Doreen December 8th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    CB

    I agree – it really has the feel of once the first domino falls (whoever that might be), the rest will fall quickly in turn. It’s the first one to blink, though, that’s the question.

  60. S.o.S. December 8th, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    I cant take this anymore!! We have gone 2 months with only 1 free agent signing!! I would take a Mienktuouoitz or Cairo signing at this point just to get my fix. Is Goodness gracious available? Hell,resign Pavano if we have to. O.k. maybe thats going too far.
    When was the last time we have waited this long for a big time player?
    I need my fix!!

  61. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Laura – The Hot Stove is Stone cold!
    December 8th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
    “Somebody needs to tell Rosenthal that doris day is not a credible source.”

    I thought you said that you weren’t competing with Nick for funniest blog member. Sure seems like it to me.

    ————————————————————

    I couldn’t help myself. Nick brings out the evil in my.

  62. LTL December 8th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    I’m not much at negotiating–just ask any of the drooling car salesman who start to invest my $$$ before I get off the lot–but things might loosen up a bit if one of the secondary pitchers made a commitment. I know, I know, everyone wants to wait for CC to set the market. But might the market be set from the middle this year to start the whole process moving? Maybe offereing Andy $14mm per year one a one + an option, and offering something similar to Sheets would encourage two signings. At that point, the Yankees are still close to budget (I’m mathematically challenged, but this seems consistent with what all the aspiring GMs have listed here). At the same time, the others get a little more eager to sign up as the needs of the biggest spenders decline.

    Anyone got a Moose bar? Or a Reggie bar? The suspense is incredibly underwhelming.

  63. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    ***evil in me***.

  64. Ed - patience isn't a virtue to some people December 8th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    update >>> update >>>

  65. GreenBeret7 December 8th, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    E-Man
    December 8th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
    “Nobody has compared Kennedy to Clemens or Glavine, or, for that matter, Maddux. All that was mentioned was that all had bad starts to their careers.”

    and that’s a comparision isn’t it?

    OR why bring those names up at all? Every pitcher has bad starts.

    ————————————————————

    No, not every pitcher has a bad start to their careers. That’s the only “comparison” that Kennedy or anybody else made.

  66. AROD fan December 8th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    I never believed the cano rumors until this article!

  67. Boston Dave December 8th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    from hotstoveblog:

    “Dodgers GM Ned Colletti said it’s “a possibility” the Dodgers could make an offer to free agent CC Sabathia.
    Sabathia reportedly told Colletti he “wants to be a Dodger” in a chance meeting Sunday night.”

  68. LTL December 8th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    Back in the late 60s, the Mets had three young pitchers: Seaver, Koosman, and Ryan. Whcih one “struggled” to find himself the most?

    If you said Nolan Ryan, give yourself a hand. Ryan basically struggled for several years (in w/l) until traded to Cal.

    Thought this might be an even more outrageous glance at how some pitchers take time to adjust.

  69. E-Man December 8th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    “No, not every pitcher has a bad start to their careers. That’s the only “comparison” that Kennedy or anybody else made.”

    What pitcher has not had a bad start in their career (of at least 60 innings)?

  70. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 8th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Sos,

    Don’t worry man, we’ll help you through this.

    Rumor has it we have signed Jesus Christ to a 10 year contract with a mutual option for the 11th.

    Of course we had to pass on Mephastophilis and Beezlebub, both of whom were insisting on lifetime contracts.

  71. E-Man December 8th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Now Nolan Ryan.. lol love it.

    I wish other teams around the league thought like some people here.. maybe we could get something decent for him that’s ready for the majors.

  72. Boston Dave December 8th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Up the offer to 6yrs/150M, include some minor accommodations for his family (flights,seats,etc) and give him 1 week to decide.

  73. Boston Dave December 8th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    “What pitcher has not had a bad start in their career (of at least 60 innings)?”

    Joba for one.

  74. LTL December 8th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    E-man

    Glad you laughed. The Ryan “comparison” was meant in fullest ironic mode.

  75. E-Man December 8th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Nope. Joba has had bad starts. the most notable was against texas on August 4th where he only lasted 4.2 innings and gave up 5 runs.

  76. Espresso December 8th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    The Cano haters out there should check their stats again before they try to run him out of town. His OBP last year was near .300 at .305 not sub .300. His career OBP is .335. His career slg% is .468. Kemp’s are .342 and .474 respectively.

    My 2 cents are that they are very similar offensively. Both have the potential to hit 20+ home runs while batting well north of .300. While Kemp walked more than Cano, he struck out 153 times to Cano’s 65. Neither one is going to lead the league in OBP.

    That said I think for something to be over rated it has to be rated highly. Batting average is not rated very highly so it is almost impossible to be overrated. In the mean time every thinks they are ready to be a GM because they can locate the OBP column on the stats chart. Given that, OBP is the second most over rated stat (after saves). I think its an important stat, but it only tells part of the story. Just like slg% tells part of the story. Adding them together does not complete it. Case in point, Giambi. He once again had a decent OPS, yet any one with eyes and a tv knows he was a weak spot in the lineup. He can put in one “quality at bat” after another, but the man didn’t hit. Cano is a friggin’ hitter. When you put the ball in play you increase the odds that something positive is going to happen. When you walk you go stand on first base.

  77. S.o.S. December 8th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Mad Prince,
    Thanks bro. I keep refreshing espn,fox sports and Pete waiting for a big fish to be had. Hope Cash can make a big splash this week. Be early christmans present.

    Not sure about a 10 year deal for Jesus. I would only go 6 with a 7th year team option. Beggers cant be choosers i guess.

  78. Ben December 8th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Pete, I wasn’t there to judge Ned’s words, and I don’t know what his personal style is, but just because Ned Colletti hasn’t talked to the Yankees doesn’t mean that someone who works in his office hasn’t had preliminary trade talks with Cashman or someone who works for him.

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    This was on ESPN.com

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    Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti told ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark on
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