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Brian Cashman does not have any meetings set up this week with the Hendricks Brothers, who represent Andy Pettitte. “But we certainly could meet,” he said.
Cashman said he would like to have Pettitte back and hopes a deal can be struck.
Cashman said his “preferred route” to find starting pitchers is free agency. He said that in terms of starters, the trade market is very quiet as far as the Yankees are concerned.
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Wow, with so much great coverage, this has become almost a live blog!
He is going to have to take less money or he isn’t coming back. Shame.
Pete,
Any news on the Ben Sheets meeting?
I’m afraid to comment because Pete will have a new post up before I can hit ’submit’.
Pete you are a blogging machine tonight.
I feel bad for Andy. He made it known he wants to come back but the Yankees are making him feel like he is Plan C or D
i read on mlbtraderumors that cashman said Nick Punto is on the radar, any news on that?
I don’t think Andy is Plan C or D, he’s just not priority A. But I think they could get a deal done pretty quickly if Pettitte would come down from $16 million.
Yanks should sign Andy, AJ and Tex and be done theres your off-season. Let CC go where he really wants to go and we get Tex to hit in front of A-Rod
Punto is a nice little utility player, a Miguel Cairo type.
Has Andy ever said he wanted $16M?? I don’t recall that being said or written. Pete??
this is getting good
How can you feel bad for him? He said he would comeback at a cheaper price, then the schmuck goes and reportedly turns down a $10M offer.
Oh, and Pete, I’d like to hear that audio. I’m curious to hear how confident Cashman is in his voice when he talks about CC.
This Dodger thing does have me a tad worried though.
andy had a 4.4 ERA last year and had a 6 ERA after the all-star break and contributed to us reeling down the stretch, he didn’t come up big at all. he got paid $16 million and we had to cover him after the mitchell report.
he can wait, good job by cashman not making him a priority.
Bob, Andy’s agents indicated he didn’t want to take a pay cut.
Tex doesn’t solve the glaring rotation problem…he adds offense…but, as studies show, you can’t mash your way to a World Series victory.
CC may be asking these questions to drag this out for rather obvious reasons. It seems questons like “what it’s like to live and work in NY” could have been asked (and probably were) at the outset, and didn’t require a meeting to be called for that purpose. As I recall, Jeter stated he had a conversation with CC a few weeks ago and he did inquire along these lines. Seems like a stalling tactic when taken together with the Colletti comments.
Al, you are one of my favorites on this blog, but your angst-ridden back-and-forth comments on CC crack me up, like good comedic performance art.
It doesn’t take a genius to conclude that CC is playing a waiting game to see if any West Coast team bids and how close that bid, if forthcoming, will be to the Yankee proposal.
I think tonight might be the night Jaws physically hurts Tony K. on MNF
Pete is almost blogging too much. I can’t keep up.
One of the things that I’ve liked about this off season so far is the team has clearly identified what went wrong over the past few seasons and is now focused on fixing it.
Focusing on pitching is obvious front and center.
But they’re also working on improving the defense with Abreu and Giambi – perhaps their two worst fielding starters – both not returning.
A real source of weakness has been their bench. Cashman indicated today that they’re interested in Nick Punto.
I think a player like that would be a nice pick up as a utility guy.
Punto is a switch hitter and has literally played all over the diamong – SS, 3b, 2b, CF, LF, RF.
He doesn’t have any power but he can hit for average and he fields well. In particular, he plays a pretty good shortstop – the position most utility guys struggle most with. He’s played SS a lot. It would be great to have a legitimate back up SS to give Jeter a rest.
He’s a bit like Ryan Freel but not as good.
There’s a lot going on with the team – but getting a guy like Punto would be a good pickup in an area of need.
Things like that make me think that the team has a real plan this off season to address many of the areas that have been open sores the past several seasons.
The fact that CC told Colletti that he wanted to be a Dodger after meeting with us speaks volume. CC is just using us. I mean, who does that? He clearly told Colleti that he was ok with him telling this to reporters, so it’s not like he did it behind closed doors.
Cashman cannot be this naive.
I can think of 16 million reasons not to sign Pettitte. Frankly, I wouldn’t go higher than $10 million. If the Yankees had any semblance of a starting staff, his name wouldn’t even be mentioned.
CC would never use Ned Colletti, would he?
CC is getting a 9 figure deal regardless….if he REALLY made those comments to Coletti, then the Yankees should tell him their offer is now good until 12/31 and then they are pulling their offer. If he wants to leave money on the table, and possibly hurting leverage, that’s his problem. I do NOT want another Maddux situation though..
I’m afraid that Al from BK is no longer with us.
All that is left is Tony, the little boy that lives in his mouth and tells him things.
REDRUM!
not that it matters much, but I hear CC spoke to Coletti first and told him to make an offer. Then he spoke to Cash and asked about living in NY. He’s as good as signed, get used to it.
Pat,
I don’t think it’s hysteria. Many posters are offended by what is perceived as stalling tactics by CC, and the rather sophomoric comments of our General Manager.
Who does that?
Every FA does that. I did it with my current employers…it is called leverage to get the compensation or deal you want.
Yankees interested in Nick Punto.
Good player,31 years old, switch hitter, batted .286, little power, but stole 15 bases in 21 tries and 336 at bats.
Also played every infield position but 1st and 3 games in center.
Pete- I’ve posted this 3 times in last 10 minutes and can’t keep up with you. Why don’t you comment see next blog??
Remember people, CC might be reading this blog-
Show the man some love and let’s remind him that pinstripes are slimming…not that the man needs to look slim or anything..because he has just a wonderful, studly body.
Yup.
“The fact that CC told Colletti that he wanted to be a Dodger after meeting with us speaks volume. ”
That’s not a fact. It’s heresay. We have no idea what CC told Colletti or how he said it.
We only know what colletti said CC told him.
For all we know CC is telling all of the teams on the west coast that he wants to play for them.
Colletti might just be the only one to be discussing it.
Drawing inferences from a process in which leaked rumors and heresay are used for tactical purposes isn’t very useful at getting at the truth.
man, why you people frekin?
the man said the meeting with cc went well.
he even asked for a second meeting.
now you’re all flipping over a remark he might have made to any owner he ran into in the hallway. “i sure would like to play for the tigers some day…” he practised it with his agent on the plane to vegas
Al from BK( Pull the offer now! Go get AJ and Tex!)
December 8th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
“Yanks should sign Andy, AJ and Tex and be done theres your off-season. Let CC go where he really wants to go and we get Tex to hit in front of A-Rod”
There Bronx Jeers-Al Lives!!
I hope CC doesn’t say he wants to play for Waipo.
“CC would never use Ned Colletti, would he?”
How naive.
Everyone knows cc is much more tech savvy than that.
CC has now started posting here at Lohud as one of the people who insists that CC hates NY. I think he posts as “LoveHandles.”
He’s using the lohud board to get leverage over cash as he knows cash reads this blog.
It’s reverse osmosis. Or something like that.
“Cashman said he would like to have Pettitte back and hopes a deal can be struck.”
Great, then get on the horn with the Hendricks (Hendrickses?) and gitterdun.
I’m sick of all this talk regarding Pettitte. I want some action. Just meet in the middle at 13 and get the deal done already. Letting an above avg, left handed innings eater with whom you have the inside track slip away would be monumental idiocy.
Once again CB adds needed persepective to this blog.
How do we know that CC didn’t say that jokingly? Something like “Hey Ned go in there and make me a Dodger!”.
It gets relayed by Colletti as “news” and spun out by journalists as a scoop.
Here’s hoping that WideAsTheGrandCanyon hole at the #3 spot in the lineup gets filled too.
With 3 rotation spots to fill obviously the immediate need is starting pitching.CC would be a great addition.
What killed the Yanks last year was their inconsistent offense,especially with RISP. Getting Matsui & Posada back cetainly helps,but taking Abreu’s ( and Giambi’s to a lesser extent) numbers out of the equation counters that a bit. The Yanks need offensive help. If they only score 4 runs a game,it wont matter if they sign Sabathia or Koufax.
Above average? Are you refering to Pettitte? His ERA+ was 98 last year. That’s below average. Yes, he gave 200 innings…but they weren’t above average.
oh and to echo someone else’s sentiments, Pete if you see this I would very much like to hear more about the meeting with Sheets if you can find out any details.
Next FA signing-Casey Blake 3 years 17 million to Dodgers.
Next possible trade-Jake Peavy in 3 way with Phillies now involved.
Bill Shaikin reports that a Giant official states that they are interested in CC. http://latimesblogs.latimes.co.....on-m.html.
Pete make sure you get some In-N-Out while you are in Vegas!!
Phil: Considering that Pettitte pitched hurt through what is generally statistically the best portion of his year and still compiled an ERA+ that was only VERY slightly below avg, yes, I still consider him an above avg. pitcher as a whole.
If you’re watching the MNF game, Kornheiser just crossed the line. Awful.
You and I have different opinions as to what above average means.
Nick, what did he say?
Sabathia’s choices, if money were not a factor and the deals were equal would be IMO, Dodgers 1st, Angels second, and Giants last. Isn’t the home he’s building in Malibu?
What did he say Nick?
I’m not sure Kornheiser remembers where the line is anymore.
“Above average? Are you refering to Pettitte? His ERA+ was 98 last year. That’s below average. Yes, he gave 200 innings…but they weren’t above average.”
Calling an ERA+ of 98 as not being average is really quibbling with facts, especially when that pitcher is playing in the AL east.
Fine. Pettitte was 2% below a league average AL pitcher while throwing in the toughest division in baseball.
Pettite was also one of the five pitchers most hurt by the play of his defense behind him in 2008.
Pettite’s ERA+ adjusted for the defense behind him was 118.
“The official would not confirm whether the Giants had offered a contract to Sabathia but said they would need to make other moves before they could sign him.”
Yeah, it sounds like they’re serious players in the CC sweepstakes.
Andy should be resigned but he can wait. The focus atm should be AJ/Tex etc. As far as I’m concerned CC is just trying to give the Yankees a polite “thanks but no thanks” if Cash were intuitive he would see that CC’s heart is 3,000 miles West.
“That’s not a fact. It’s heresay. ”
As I study for my evidence final it is in fact hearsay. You can’t use a statement made by the witness other than ones made on the blog (during testimony) for the truth of the matter asserted. There’s no circumstantial guarantees of trustworthiness here people!
Waiting for CC to make up his mind..is like having your friend hand a love note to a girl in junior high and waiting for her response from across the cafeteria
In the mean time, your mind plays tricks on you, and you conceive every possible way she can reject you -while at the same time planning your first date with her
What I’m trying to say is….CC I think I’m in love with you…but if it’s unrequited…then you’re ugly!
He better have not said anything about Dominicans, Canadians or CC’s eating habits!
I’m not a fan of the differing calculations on measuring defense and its’ affect on ERA. I am in the Neyer camp when it comes to that.
My point was that a 98 ERA+ can’t be considered above average.
Per Ken Rosenthal and Ed Price-
The Brewers were close to re-signing third baseman Mike Lamb on Monday, a move that could lead to a trade of Bill Hall.
The Yankees are among the teams that have expressed interest in Hall, who could fill a utility role in both the infield and outfield for New York.
However, Hall’s remaining salary — $6.8 million in 2009 and $8.4 million in 2010 with a $9.25 million or $500,000 buyout for 11 — would be a significant obstacle to any deal.
The Yankees also have interest in Brewers center fielder Mike Cameron, who — like Hall — is close friends with the team’s principal free- agent target, left-hander CC Sabathia. Hall and Sabathia attended the Oscar De La Hoya fight Saturday in Las Vegas.
Lamb will rejoin the Brewers at the minimum salary, with his previous team, the Twins, paying the rest of the $3 million that he is owed in 2009. Lamb and Hall could form a left-right platoon at third for the Brewers if no trade is made. — Ken Rosenthal and Ed Price
Why would we take on Hall’s salary? Rosenthal just trying to keep up with Pete!!
That’s a lot of scratch for a utility guy.
Oh, I’m talking about the comedic line, not a line related to taste or propiety.
Dwayne Jarrett caught a pass for the Panthers and Kornheiser said “does that mean he ‘went to Jarrett’?”
Ok than Pettite was 2% worse than league average while pitching in the toughest division in the league.
Yes. 2% below league average is not league average. That is technically true.
2% below league average is not above average. That’s the only point I was trying to make.
I don’t overvalue Pettitte just because he was a Yankee during the Dynasty Years in the late ’90s.
Who said anything about the dynasty years?
I’m just stating a fact. Pettite was 2% worse than league average. That’s it.
http://www.badmouth.net/in-n-outs-secret-menu/
Pete here is In-N-Out’s secret menu!!!
“Waiting for CC to make up his mind..is like having your friend hand a love note to a girl in junior high and waiting for her response from across the cafeteria
In the mean time, your mind plays tricks on you, and you conceive every possible way she can reject you -while at the same time planning your first date with her
What I’m trying to say is….CC I think I’m in love with you…but if it’s unrequited…then you’re ugly!”
Best analogy I’ve ever read. CC is the home-coming queen, the Yankees are the chess team?
“My point was that a 98 ERA+ can’t be considered above average”
Even though that’s technically the case, I don’t think Andy’s 2008 defines him as a pitcher. It was the only year in his career he ever posted an ERA+ below 100, and he was playing hurt. Which makes it a reasonable assumption that when healthy, he will return to above averagedom.
I remember a year ago today the winter Meetings started and today was the day we dropped out of the Santana derby and it looked like the Red Sox were getting serious.
This was the day that terrific Patriots-Ravens game was on too when they were 13-0 and it looked like the Ravens were going to knock them off.
YankeeTrader,
As we all know ( and we’re thankful for),the difference between Pete & Rosenthal is that Pete doesnt make stuff up or spread wild rumors.
Hall’s performance has been declining each year for the last 3 seasons. Defensively, he a jack of all trades,master of none. I see Wilson Betemit redux when I think of Bill Hall.
The yankees would only take Bill Hall back as a kind of salary dump.
Perhaps if they took him they could get Mike Cameron very cheaply in terms of talent going back. The brewers really want to get rid of hall.
That said, I don’t think they’re interested in Hall given their goal to enhance salary flexibility.
The Yankees would be the chess team captain that’s in the town’s richest family that has a history of getting the girl, perhaps. Is CC going to choose the ugly stoner dude because he lives closer to the beach?
If the Cubs get Peavy, but have to free up some salary first, as reported, would there be any interest in taking on DeRosa or Harden, if made available?
Never had an In-N-Out burger. Are they really that awesome?
if you think Pettitte is being overvalued, picture how the Yankee season would have gone if a clone of Ponson pitched the 204 innings that Andy pitched.
rosenthal also said the yankees and dodgers were discussing a trade until ned coletti said they hadnt spoken to the yanks since july
hall has a toxic contract. his #’s have been declining since 2006
This is bush league. Expecting Andy to take 6 million less this year is absurd. IMO he should get a 13 or 14 mil dollar deal per year. Just get him back in the rotation.
Mike Cameron and Bill Hall would be strike outs galore.
“if you think Pettitte is being overvalued, picture how the Yankee season would have gone if a clone of Ponson pitched the 204 innings that Andy pitched.”
Clone of Ponson- Are you referring to CC???
i lived in la for 4 years (toluca lake) and i have to say in n out was awesome. everythings cooked to order, the slice the potatoes and drop them straight into the fryer, no frozen crap. and they hustled. everybody going to socal has to experience it. its part of the car culture.
Moneyball,
Agreed.
Andy is worth 13.
WR packin heat,
Wow dude, are you still talkin food?
Impressive.
SA-
In-N-Out is good, but not sure I would say awesome.
Toronto interested in Furcal with money saved by not resigning Burnett. Furcal would be a pain to face, if fully recovered. Any chance he could play CF with his “rocket” arm?
“Never had an In-N-Out burger. Are they really that awesome?”
Yes Sir!! I drive a cab here in Vegas and I get requests to go to In-N-Out all the time. People from all over the world tell me they make it part of there trip every time they are in Vegas.
If we took on Hall’s contract what would it take to get him and Cameron? I don’t like Hall at all, I actually prefer Ransom, but I`m worried about our outfield depth if Gardner is the centerfielder.
In n Out is rad.
Never had anything bad there, the menu is simple, yet offers plenty for the average burger lover, delicious shakes, fresh fries, and CHEAP.
Not only this, they let you get unusually creative…you can do protein style, animal style, and add extra patties at your will. My friend ate a 4×4 in less than 5 minutes.
ok, everybody agrees on $13 million? done and done. brian, you fax the language to randy, (or is it alan?) there wasnt that easy?
I think In n Out’s one, single flaw is this:
They DO NOT offer bacon.
A little love for Andy Pettite, please. One of the all-time Yankee greats. Period.
Well, if I ever head out west, I will def have to have an In-N-Out burger
I know I will offend someone on here when I write this (which is at least partially why I write it), but In n Out DOMINATES Whitecastle like Shaquille O’Neal dominated Vlade Divac.
bottom line,
Ya…the love for Andy has been scattered on this blog.
To some he represents “brittle old pitchers”.
In-N-Out is great for a fast-food burger, but now that it’s all over the Bay Area, I have it less than I thought it would when it was first coming here. Because it’s still just a fast-food burger.
The other uber-hyped places down in LA are Tommyburger and Fatburger.
Although to be honest I think Fatburger is better than In-N-Out.
In-n-Out is the best drive thru place for burgers.
If you have time to go in and eat, The Apple Pan, All-American Burger and Fatburger rock. At Fatburger, order it on the char and skip the relish.
Bill Hall would be an immovable guy that sucks.
Fatburger and Tommyburger don’t hold a candle to In N Out and I would argue that while fast to order, In N Out is far superior to anything that falls under the fast food umbrella.
Good meat, fresh vegetables, delicious cheese.
Its like a hybrid between a fast food joint and a sit down burger restaurant like a red robin.
yes i would take harden
Fatburger is a joke. It tries to be In N Out but takes forever.
My favorite is the green chili cheeseburger at Blake’s Lotaburger, but you have to go to New Mexico for that.
Here’s a food question:
What do East Coasters think of California Pizza Kitchen?
Fatburger is excellent.
No Phil, you are Excellent.
In n Out fries are the best french fries that will ever exist for all of eternity. You can mark that down.
So’s Fatburger, though you have to know what to order.
Personally, I think CPK is overpriced, unfilling, and unacceptably unorthodox as far as pizza joints go. They went over the line when they created the Chinese Chicken Salad pizza. Unacceptable.
“What do East Coasters think of California Pizza Kitchen?”
Abomination.
I would trade In-N-Out for some real NY pizza. No Doubt.
Five Guys…now that’s a burger.
you have to put in n out above fatburger, they blow.
what i never got is why all the whites in socal go to taco pronto when there are hundreds of excellent mexican taco stands all over the city. nothin like taco bell (thank god) you just have to be able to order in spanish. if you cant handle that you shoudnt be in socal.
Phil, please, do not confuse yourself with Fatburger, you are far superior just as In N Out is.
Bret, that is a bold statement. There are many a good fry in this world…In N Out makes delicious delicious fries. Have you ever had them animal style?
Cameron would be a mistake…other than as an accommodation to CC if that’s what it would take. Known over the years as an excellent centerfielder, his defensive skills have declined dramatically over the past two seasons. He does not go back on the ball particularly well anymore, his angle on gap hits is no longer precise, and his hand to eye coordination has slipped quite a bit.
His BA over the past few years is sub-Melky, in the .240’s. He is good, however for 25 homers per annum, at least he was in Miller Park and other NL venues. He does have great dugout and locker room presence and is a good influence on the the younger players. On balance, for a salary of 10MM plus players (other than a Betamit-like dump) it makes no sense other than as an accommodation to CC.
five guys is basically the same menu as in n out but they do it in a cool califonia drive through not a stupid peanut covered strip mall.
Burnett 17 m
Pet 13 m
Tex 23 m
That gets it done and saves $26 mil and yes if Punto can field three positions, bunt and run a little he’s better than anyone we’ve had on the job since Lucky Luis Sojo.
A California bias, I see.
CMJ,
When I last visited New York I was relatively unimpressed by the Pizza, though I only went to a few places…the only name I remember is Grimaldi’s in Brooklyn beneath the bridge and that place is a JOKE. Took like an hour waiting in line, they pack you like sardines, the pizza was watery and spongy, and they rush you out. No fun, but I’m sure there are far superior places if you know where to look.
With everybody talking about burgers and pizza on this board makes me think that is what CC and Cashman talked about in their meetings.
“What do East Coasters think of California Pizza Kitchen?”
Thumbs down
Wait, Fatburger? Never heard of that. I’ll put it on the list.
Wow I go to a Christmas party for a few hours and Pete goes nuts blogging.
And if the sources are correct. If Andy really wanted to be a Yankee he would take the pay cut they are offering him. After 2006 Mike allowed them to decline his option and resigned at a lower salary per year. He wanted to finish his career here. I am wondering if Andy is just giving us lip service.
california bias? im from valley stream!
It’s tough to put a real value on Pettite as his last two seasons have been so different.
Andy was terrific in 2007. He was roughly 40 runs better than a replacement level pitcher.
That’s 4 wins better than replacement. Each marginal win is worth $5.5M.
So in 2007 Andy was worth $22M to the yankees while he was paid $16M.
This past season Andy was only 15 runs better than replacement.
So this year he was worth around $8M.
This divergence is probably why these negotiations are stalled.
Is Andy closer to the pitcher he was in 2007 when he was a relative bargain for the yankees? Or is he the pitcher of 2008 where he was significantly over paid?
Split the difference between 2007 and 2008. $12-13M should be right.
Hall would not happy as a reserve. He was a malcontent, and asked to be traded when he was benched against right handers due to his inability to cross the Mendoza line. Pass….
S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers
Fat burger is really good. It is in the Borgota Hotel in AC.
I know this is probably a sign of minimal food experience in NY, but the best food i ate when there was Katz’s Delicatessan and their pastrami sandwich. That thing was UNREAL. Its like butter. Every pastrami maker in the world should take notes from that place. Out of this world good.
Guys, I love NY. See you April 16.
# Phil – 27 in ‘09 December 8th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Five Guys…now that’s a burger.
Five guys is also really good.
Five Guys is good.
I’m getting hungry now.
Andy? give him 12mm, at most, and he will still be overpaid, but he is Andrew Eugene Pettitte, so do it.
SA,
Don’t go out of your way for a Fatburger, seriously, you will not be impressed.
OMG MoBoy, you just said something that implies that CC eats!
FOR SHAME!
Nick,
Ha Ha Ha. I’m over it now, I ranted, I enjoyed it, and now I am hungry with all this food talk.
By the way, if you’re in SF, where do you think Moe’s fits into the burger picture? Ever had Burger Factory? What about a Gordo burrito?
Pass on the Fatburger unless you want the ultimate, greasy, 110% fat, artery clogging piece of red meat.
“Fat burger is really good. It is in the Borgota Hotel in AC.”
Oh thanks jennifer!
I just looked online-there is one in Jersey City also. I might be around there later this week. Might have to make a stop.
Tho I do not eat red meat, my friends who do, rave about IN & OUT Burger.
“SA,
Don’t go out of your way for a Fatburger, seriously, you will not be impressed.”
Well, if I am near one-I’ll try it. Just for the hell of it.
I like how cashman said the trade route isnt the preferred route to find STARTING PITCHING. The implication is that the trade route may be the preferred route to find offense. Although with cash not wanting to trade Cano or IPK or AJax (not like i want to im just saying) I dont know what kind of player we can get in return. Again, I find it extremely difficult to believe that the yanks and dodgers arent discussing cano, melky and kemp behind closed doors. There is rumors abound about this trade and I cant imagine someone made it up out of thin air as it doesnt really help either team to make up rumors like this.
iM glad we are on CC’s list. i WOULD hope offering him a record breaking contract would help us make the cut. I guess cash is perfectly content to let cc wait for a better offer to come along and probably then raise ours. aT least he is asking about NY so he has put some thought into coming here and isnt just using the yanks to get what he wants from somebody else.
For those of you in the West Orange N.J. area, is Pal’s Cabin still around? what about Don’s Drive-In? The burgers at both of those places were excellent way back when.
Okay, don’t get upset, guys, but Cash just texted me his plan ‘A’.
Sign AJ, like tomorrow (or before the end of the week).
If CC doesn’t agree to the original offer by Monday, he’s going to make a strong pursuit for Mark Teixeira.
And he also said no more buffet jokes, Old Yanks Fan.
And, Nick, he doesn’t know where Waipo is. But there is a Waipahu and a Waipio in West Oahu.
Ariel,
You know what the real artery clogging burger is? Its a place called Squeeze In Burger in Sacramento, CA.
They grill the burger as usual, then they take nearly two handfuls of grated cheese and put it on top of the burger, cover it with a metal square shaped thing-a-ma-jig and let it get all melted and crispy at the edges, then they throw it on a delicious bun with veggies and serve it.
Its unreal. I think if a person ate that place once a month starting at age 18, they’d be dead by 20.
Best French Fries in NYC is on second ave between st marks and 8th. I believe it is a Belgian french fry place. Can’t recall the name.
Pals Cabin still around
http://www.palscabin.com/
Prince,
I don’t get up to the Sacramento area, but if I ever do, I’ll make sure to pass on the Squeeze In…thanx for the heads-up.
John Heyman at SI.com is saying the Yankees are about to offer A.J. Burnett 4 years 64 million
“cashman said the trade route isnt the preferred route to find STARTING PITCHING. The implication is that the trade route may be the preferred route to find offense.”
No, the implication is that he doesn’t want to trade for pitching….. Not everything these guys say has hidden meanings. He’s not trying to drop hints for bloggers around the world..
Ariel, where are you located? You in Cali?
river ave blues has ben sheets saying that he has no offers out there and not that much interests has been presented to him. He also has put no thought into being with the yanks – possibly because they havent talked to him yet. I think sheets will be a steal – i dont even think we need to go past two years to sign this guy and could possibly sign him for one at a high rate. He seems dissapointed that he hasnt gotten any offers or much interest – i think he would jump at the chance to sign a one or two yr deal with the yanks. aND it would stop making us look so desperate for CC and Burnett.
I dont mind signing three pitchers and those three being CC, Sheets and Burnett but offering Burnett 5 years and more than 75 million would end up being a total disaster for us. I cant imagine a deal like that would work out for us in the end.
Where is this nick punto rumor and is he a free agent? He made 3 mil last year and plays almost every position while putting up decent numbers last year so while he may be an excellent bench player, he would likely cost too much for the bench – his obp was about 50 points higher than canos.
Mad Prince,
Do you hail from Sacramento? Are you a Kings fan?
Chris NY,
Touche.
http://newyork.citysearch.com/review/7087532
ignore the bad reviews. I think it is people from Hamburger U who are angry that someone can make a better fry.
“5 Guys” in Schenectady….likely part of the metro NY chain….is excellent !!!
A Californis drive-in delivery service style makes whatever a better burger ???
Tough to follow that line of thinking.
mel,
You really had to ask me that huh?
I grew up outside of Sac in the burbs…Davis, CA. Bike capitol of the world. They built a toad tunnel under the highway so toads wouldn’t get run over on I-80. A real shame.
I try to root for the Kings, I genuinely do…but I am truly a Blazers fan. Family from Oregon.
mY MISTAKE – nick punto made 2.4 million and only played in 100 games but his obp was almost 350 and he stole 15 bases. hE HAS only played centerfield 9 games in his life. Seems like if we had interest, it would be a bench player behind arod, jeter and cano. i thought Ransom had the job sewn up. I guess we are looking for an upgrade – it would be an expensive bench player though probably costing at least 3 million
Prince,
I’m in LA….originally from the Brooklyn and Essex County N.J. BTW, your surname isn’t “Prince”, is it?
Mad Prince, no hard feelings at all, though I hope you renounce the analogy you made at around 6:22, that was really bad and not at all apt.
I don’t know if I’ve had a burger at Moe’s, but that would fall into a different category than big chains, wouldn’t it?
I’m not a big fan of Gordo’s, there are other taqueria’s I like much more. La Taqueria on Mission and 25th is my favorite, and I might take a drive there soon now that my first half Panthers bet has already hit.
And I don’t know about Sacramento, but I have been to –Murder Burger– Redrum Burger in Davis. That’s a big burger.
mel: why would anyone care about the proper spelling of some teeny town way out in the ocean????? KIDDING!
5 guys is fantastic – i eat there at least once a week.
dave,
Still, Punto’s not a bad option off the bench. There are a number of decent options we might pursue, but I think having a deep bench would be really helpful in the event of injury.
SA,.
Thanx for the Pals link. It was great yesteryear, I assume it still is. Also, I found an article in the Times today commenting on Don’s….interesting….again from a much earlier time.
Nick,
My point was valid!!! I was groping for analogies to make you feel bad!!!
Anyways, yes, no hard feelings.
Yes, Moe’s is a private joint, not a chain…didn’t know were talkin chains, I was just talkin burgers.
See, at Gordo’s its all about the Carnitas and the burritos. Haven’t tried that place in the Mission, but there are goldmines all over the Mission as far as Mexican food goes.
I was furious when they renamed Murder Burger into Redrum Burger. Actually, it changed ownership, not QUITE as good as it once was, but still tasty, and yes, HUGE.
mel,
My surname is most definitely NOT Prince.
Its from an old Derek Jeter poster I have.
Burnett and Teixeria is the way to go
http://www.sportsposterwarehou.....e_htm.html
“He’s using the lohud board to get leverage over cash as he knows cash reads this blog.
It’s reverse osmosis. Or something like that.”
CB,
You’re wrong, it’s actually the “Jedi mind trick” that CC’s using.
I wasn’t offended by the gay thing, just as a fan of good analogies.
CC’s girth is not a stereotype.
Where are the local “5 Guys ” places ???
(Schenectady is kinda far)
NICK:
no way is la taqueria better than El Farolito on 19th and mission and as long as we are talking great food in the mission you have got to try “good frikken chicken”. Yum Yum
The best Mexican food is in San Diego.
“Burnett and Teixeria is the way to go”
Yes it is. Its about time we spend money on the guys who are actually remotely interested in the Yanks.
or better yet, in Mexico.
“good frikken chicken”. Yum Yum
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Uhh, I almost tossed my cookies from that place. Pass.
Might be better in Mexico ?
Just a silly thought.
Mad Prince,
Blazers are back on track with Oden back. They’ve had some very impressive wins.
Right now craving some fries from five guys. Yum
mel
Did Cash say in his text what Teddy think about the free agents available?
Might be better in Mexico ?
Just a silly thought.
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Thanks, I meant in the USA.
michelle: you and I will have to agree to disagree here, though I should confess that I like La Taqueria’s tacos even more than their burritos and I’ll probably get one carne asada and one chicken if the Panthers go up one more score.
And isn’t El Farolito on Mission between 23rd and 24th?
mad prince,
I agree. Punto would be a solid guy on the bench but he would be expensive and he prolly wouldnt put up last years numbers. I dunno who spends 3 million on a bench players but i guess the yanks could. Not exactly a good way to decrease salary though.
People who are saying CC should be given time to decide must be joking. Im sure he decided about the yanks weeks ago – what free agent takes 4 weeks to decide whether or not to come to a team? He is not thinking it over – he is clearly biding his time. He is trying to use the yanks as leverage to get his money while waiting for a west coast team to lose out on someone that covet and go after him (like the angels, dodgers or giants.) He needs the yanks offer to set the bar and as a safety net in case none of these pan out. yOU THINK any team would offer him 140 million if the yanks retracted their offer? NO WAY! He would be making less than zito. iM glad we are on CC;s list considering he only has 2 legitimate offers and they are at least 40 million and more like 50 million dollars apart. That comment almost sounds like an insult. The yanks need to do the smart thing and set a deadline – otherwise CC will drag this out until january and then, sign with a west coast team when they lose out on someone else. We will look like a joke and probably lose out on multiple other FAs that we would go after if we were waiting on cc. Its getting very frustrating knowing that cc is pulling this stunt and the yanks arent doing anything about it. iTS making us look bad and desperate in the process.
“La Fartolino” is on Landsdown Street in Boston.
Wears #34 ….
dave
Sheets and the Yanks met today.
Buddy — you’re crazy good frikken chicken — is soo good.
I got into a rut with my restaurants a yr or so ago, so i vowed to not eat at the same place (save for fastfood) for a whole yr. So i have a list of nearly 100 restaurants, in the bay area with reviews if you need any ideas.
Haha, I just came back from dinner…cant believe you guys are still talking about food!
As far as burgers go, no chain in Cali. can beat a Jersey diner burger. BUT I did have one of the best burgers of my life at Duke’s (Cafe?) in LA right next door to the Whisky. And they didnt even look at me strangely when I asked for avocado on it. I think it was even on the menu like that!
**GIAMBI TO SIGN WITH HIS FORMER TEAM, THE A’S?**
Free-agent Jason Giambi has told friends that he expects to sign with the A’s, but his former team has him “way down on its list of priorities,” sources told FOXSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal.
I think I am going to get five guys for dinner tomorrow. I only wish the location in NYC was closer to work.
It was reported yesterday the Rays were interested in Giambi but they lost interest when he said he wanted a 3 year deal and they moved on to Bradley.
And speaking of Jersey diners, for you locals, the GOAT to me is Tick Tock in Clifton.
nick: the good faro is actually on ocean and mission… I was thinking of another place on 19th…
I do like la taqueria’s tacos, but i loveee faro’s burritos.
michelle-
Maybe it was just one of those nights. Got any reviews on restaurants in the East Bay?
I read that the A’s preferred Nick Johnson over Giambi. I remember the headline cause I thought to myself at the time, if I had a dollar for every time the past 5 years I’ve had the exact same thought….
As for CC: we *are* desperate, that’s why we made him the richest pitching contract in history as our opening offer and that’s why we’ll tolerate this drawn out song and dance to eventually sign him.
You know how many pitchers we currently have signed into the rotation who aren’t coming off a major injury and who can be counted on to pitch a complete season? Not too many.
pat,
Sorry I took so long.
No, Teddy didn’t say anything, but Cash did send me a funny story.
He was so mad, he was going to pull his endowment at Teddy’s preschool.
Apparently, Teddy kept skipping from A to J. Cash was getting upset, trying to correct Teddy. But Teddy told him back, “How do you know? You keep getting stuck on C!”
Phil,
Oh they probably met after he made that comment then i guess. Signing sheets right now is the smart play. Whether or not we sign CC, its the right thing to do IMO. We cant continue looking so deperate and anxious with two starters currently. We should sign sheets, try to get pettitte to take the 10 million and start taking with Burnett about what it would take to get him here. We should do everything we would do as if CC has already said no. He is clearly in the business of wasting our time.
Tex may be looking at 8 years from the angels pretty soon. Manny and the dodgers seem to be done. Just reading this from other sites though so I dunno how accurate they are.
Sorry if this is a repost, but MLBTR on bosux and CC:
“9:26pm: Rosenthal’s source says the Red Sox were just doing their due diligence in meeting with Sabathia. The Sox are focused on Mark Teixeira”
what a surprise, theyre not a real threat to sign him.
I haven’t been in awhile but the Shake Shack had great burgers. The ice cream is good too.
it’s a joke that Burnett is apparently valued at an ace price and the Yanks are asking Pettitte to take a $6M pay cut.
not that Pettitte is going to need to take a night job. but still, who’s more likely to pitch 200 innings next year, Burnett or Pettitte?
Here’s my question to the Cali crowd. Back home (NY) when I order a Chicken Parm Hero they know exactly what to do. Up here in Boston I have to ask for a Sub. When I was down in Philadelphia the guy wanted me to buy a grinder (whatever the hell that is). Outside of the time I played against USD in college i’ve never been west of Pennsylvania so what do you all call a sandwich on a long roll?
mel
Good to hear he’s working on his reading skills. Maybe he can read himself bedtime stories this off-season so dad doesn’t fall asleep reading to him and miss an important phone call.
Rosenthal’s source? Last week he wrote a whole article on why the sox would sign sabathia and then, at the end he said they would never tough 140 million. Now they are doing their due dilligence and arent even really interested – i GUESS its news to rosenthal but it isnt news to anyone else who can think for themselves. On the other hand, if the sox sign tEX and the angels turn their attention to cc, we will be screwed. This is why you cant make a plan A and a plan B. You just have to make a list of all the players you want and go after them whenever the chance presents itself.
Plan A is ok, Plan B a little less so, but Plan CC is the path to happiness.
What do you all call a sandwich on a long roll?
Chicken Parm Wedge
BBB
December 8th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
And speaking of Jersey diners, for you locals, the GOAT to me is Tick Tock in Clifton.
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lol somebody’s been listening to his Mike Francessa on the fan Mic’d Up. Or whatever that show is called now.
Dodger are very close to signing casey blake. MLBTR just said they upped their offer to 3 years which was his asking price at about 18 mil. That signing may put all the cano rumors to bed if pete was right.
Chicken Parm Sub.
Red Sox in the mix for Burnett
Monday, December 8, 2008 | Print Entry
Posted by Jerry Crasnick
The latest on A.J. Burnett: The pitcher’s agent, Darek Braunecker, and Mark Rodgers met with the Red Sox on Monday afternoon, and it appears Boston is right there in the mix with Atlanta and the Yankees for Burnett.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....tings_2008
Anyone ever have Sbarro in Times Square?
George – the joke is burnett and 5 years and NOT pettitte and 10 million dollars.
Rob NY: Perish the thought, lol. In fact, hearing that Francesca likes the Tick Tock is almost enough to make me rethink my own devotion to it.
Also, I am surprised to hear of your “grinder” experience in Philly, I lived there for several years and while it sometimes says grinder on menus and signs, just about everyone calls it hoagie.
Sbarro
Is an over priced pizza chain. Nothing special, not worth your money.
The pizza joint on 37th street between 7th and 8th is good. It is on the same block as the post office.
Sabathia said he wanted to be signed early in the offseason and hasn’t gotten any offers that are competitive with the Yankees’ offer.
It looks like he’s hoping Tex signs with Boston so the Angels make him an offer. The Yankees are getting played.
Johnny’s Pizza in Mt. Vernon is the best pizza you can get. It’s on Lincoln Ave just by Gramatin Ave.
“As far as burgers go, no chain in Cali. can beat a Jersey diner burger.”
LMAO Get Real. I lived in Jersey. The burgers were not memorable, just big that’s all.
It is obvious the Yankees were dissatisfied with their finish last year and are getting rid of their pitching to get the “best” free agents. They are pursuing Sabathia, Burnett and now possibly Sheets.