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Update from the suite

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 08, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Cashman just said he met again today with CC Sabathia. “We’re on his list,” Cashman said.

More to come.

UPDATE, 7:02 p.m.: Joe Girardi said he felt good about the meeting. Sabathia asked questions about the lifestyle in New York for his wife and kids, schools, etc. Cashman said he felt Sabathia was a genuine person and that his interest in the Yankees is legit.

Cashman said there is no deadline in terms if Sabathia. But he is continuing to talk with other pitchers. … There has been no offer to Mark Teixeira, Cashman said.

More to come including some audio. I have to get to another meeting.

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152 Responses to “Update from the suite”

  1. Rishi December 8th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    at least the reports are getting better :)

  2. Mr. Exceptional December 8th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    That’s awfully gentlemanly of him.

  3. vikram December 8th, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    sweet we’re on the list

  4. Justin C. December 8th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    140 million dollars

    i sure hope were on his list lol

  5. refreshed in 09 December 8th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    that is breaking news. solid.

  6. bdog375 December 8th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Yes! Maybe he will be our prom date after all.

  7. Lampchop Louie December 8th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Well . . . . . that’s comforting news. It beats watching paint dry.

  8. Bronx Jeers December 8th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Which list?

    List of teams he would sign for immediately if only they were located in California?

  9. pat December 8th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    So is “pick up dry cleaning” but will he be doing it in NY?

  10. mel December 8th, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    The list that looks like this:

    -Brewers-
    -Yankees-

    Aw, crap. Is that all there is?

  11. Ed - patience isn't a virtue to some people December 8th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    “at least the reports are getting better ”

    affirmative. :)

  12. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    We’re are all getting LAID!!!

  13. AROD fan December 8th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    I can’t take it anymore!

  14. ZMAN7777 December 8th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    In other news, Cashman was observed removing a bit of broccoli from his teeth and spending 2.6 minutes in the hotel washroom.

  15. AROD fan December 8th, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Ask Cash if it would help if LoHud bloggers sent him a giant E-Card or petition asking him to please come save our team.

  16. CB December 8th, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    I have a serious question -

    When was the last time a free agent accepted a contract that was 10% less or more than the largest offer he got? I’m referring here to large money deals – contracts with more than say $40M guaranteed?

    When was the last time any player took 10% less guaranteed dollars on the kind of contract?

    I can’t think of any. Back in 1992 maddux took that contract from the braves that was 17% less than the yankees offer. That was for a total of $28M but adjusted to today’s dollars I believe that would be over $40M.

    I’m curious about this as I think it gives some context to the precedent CC would have to set in order for him to turn down the yankees.

    The yankee’s offer is currently 22% more than the next best offer. 22%. That’s way over that 10% barrier and at even 10% I can’t think of any offers.

    I’d guess there has to be some example of this happening since the Maddux deal in 1992 but I can’t think of any.

    But even if there are it can’t be more than one or two, I’d think.

    That’s how unprecedented CC turning down the yankee’s offer would be.

    Every year the same thing happens – players try to create leverage by citing personal reasons, winning, location, etc.

    And every year the same result occurrs – players almost always take the largest guaranteed money offer.

    10% less – not sure if it’s happenned since Maddux in 1992.

    That’s a long time ago.

  17. MP December 8th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    PETE,

    I’m hearing that the Dodgers are number one on his list.
    Chances (%) the Dodgers get involved (perhaps if they miss out on Manny?)?
    Chances the Dodgers get CC?
    Chances the Yanks get CC?

    http://slidingintohome.blogspo.....odger.html

  18. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    When does CC reach the point where he considers himself a Yankee with the power to ignite the Yankees offseason plan in a way that will bring him better teammates and thus a greater chance to win a ring.

    Please CC. The longer you wait, the more difficult it is to execute our offseason strategy, a plan that will give you all the support you need to get to the promised land!

  19. Nick in SF December 8th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    CB, you’re not taking into account the cruel, vicious things that are apparently being written about CC on this blog that will almost certainly filter back to him and keep him out of pinstripes. I can only shoulder part of the blame.

  20. John December 8th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    “We’re on his list.” Huh? On his list? Is he a pitcher or a bouncer at a dance club? I’ll tell yah, B-Cash and I have two different ways of looking at things……….if I offered someone $140 million and all I got back was “hey man, you’re on my list,” I might be just a little bit p*ssed off, instead of all thrilled he even wants to talk.

  21. Jason December 8th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    CB- thats why there is a first time for everything. just look at the amount of money, either way he is set for life, and so is his family

  22. Moneyball December 8th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Just saw Maddux’s retirement on the espn. Does anyone else notice whenever they show baseball highlights for a player it’s always against the yankees? This morning while talking about K-Rod they had him striking out Abreu. Just now they had Maddux as a cub striking out an unidentified yankee. I’m not liking this bias.

  23. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    CB,

    Your point makes even more sense when put in the context of this particular free agent. Maddux was returning to his home team. Bernie rejected more money from the Sox to return to the Yankees.

    CC is as free as a free agent can be. There’s no prior loyalty to any one team.

  24. John December 8th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    “We’re on his list”

    that does not sound good coming from cashman

  25. Tseng December 8th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    On his list…. of teams he really wouldn’t like to play for if at all possible?

  26. John December 8th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    anyway, espn is reporting that the yankees want to meet with burnett now and that they would be willing to offer more money than the braves. I dont buy that

  27. Al from BK( Time to move on, go get Tex Cash!) December 8th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    “Brian Cashman just said he met again today with CC Sabathia. “We’re on his list,” Cashman said.

    More to come.”

    He failed to mention we were 5th on his list after:

    1)LA Angels
    2)LA Dodgers
    3)SF Giants
    4)Milwaukee Brewers
    5)Ugly prom date..I mean NY Yankees.

  28. Ed - patience isn't a virtue to some people December 8th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Sabathia’s meeting with Yankees officials lasted 2.5 hours yesterday, as he gathered information on the team and the city. He told the Yankees he’s not delaying his decision due to a desire to pitch elsewhere; he just wants to gather the facts.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....=blogEntry

    ————

    that’s good news.

  29. mel December 8th, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    MP,

    There’s a “Dodgers losing patience with Manny” entry on espn blog.

    For the rest of yas, a “Yanks reach out to AJ’s agent” and check out the one before that. CC’s leaving Vegas tonight after meeting with the Red Sox and Brewers.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....tings_2008

  30. vince December 8th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    The Yankees were on Greg Maddux’s list, back in the day.
    A. Braves.
    B. Yankees
    How’d that work out?

  31. mel December 8th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    John,

    They said more $$, not years. Why do people have a hard time believing the Yankees are interested in AJ? There’s certainly a market for his services.

  32. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers December 8th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Exciting!

  33. Ed - patience isn't a virtue to some people December 8th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    honestly, the best choice to talk to CC about pitching in NY, is Mike Mussina. Mike pitched 8 years with the Yanks, and he liked the experience.

  34. Al from BK( Time to move on, go get Tex Cash!) December 8th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    “This morning while talking about K-Rod they had him striking out Abreu. Just now they had Maddux as a cub striking out an unidentified yankee. I’m not liking this bias.”

    The ESPN anti-Yankee bias is the most blatant bias in America. It falls just behind Fox News and MSNBC for most biased reporting.

  35. CB December 8th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    “you’re not taking into account the cruel, vicious things that are apparently being written about CC on this blog that will almost certainly filter back to him”

    I’m now running a google scholar search through the economics literature on how to apply appropriate discount rates for portly punchlines…

  36. John December 8th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    mel, i said that the yankees would be offering more money, not more years

    i just do not think that the yankees have their attention on aj right now, but they might be if they got a bad vibe from cc last night

    this is from mlbtraderumors about the meeting
    “Sabathia’s meeting with Yankees officials lasted 2.5 hours yesterday, as he gathered information on the team and the city. He told the Yankees he’s not delaying his decision due to a desire to pitch elsewhere; he just wants to gather the facts.”

  37. AROD fan December 8th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    The Red what?

  38. Arial December 8th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    “On the List”? Wow!!! What would you expect him to say? Seems like Cashman did not get the memo.

    Use some common sense….Get ready for Plan B, but if CC is not given a drop dead date with a short fuse, he may have to go to Plan C!!! Know when you are being used!!!!!

    This is NEW YORK…where is your street sense?????

  39. RalphieD ( CC sign yet) December 8th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    you gotta love cashman and his extensive comments

  40. Bronx Jeers December 8th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Dear CC,

    We love you
    We Want you
    We Need you

    Just in case you’re reading this blog.

  41. John December 8th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Olney is evidently reporting that Sabathia won’t decide on Yankee offer until next week. Evidently four weeks, a stint at the winter meetings, and two face to face sit downs with the Yanks is just not enough to come to an informed decision about $140 million. I have to admit, I was perfectly fine with Sabathia taking his time and waiting this out, but with the reports today that he told Ned Colletti that “he wants to be a Dodger” I am pretty tired of the guy. You don’t want to come to NY, fine……..but be a man and say it and then go negotiate with the teams you DO want to play for. If you want to be a Yankee, sign the contract already. What, exactly, is another week gonna mean?

  42. mel December 8th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    John,

    Oops. You did say that. Why aren’t you buying that? We’ve always been in on AJ.

  43. CB December 8th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    “thats why there is a first time for everything. just look at the amount of money, either way he is set for life, and so is his family”

    Yes. That’s why I said that it appeared to be unprecedented.

    Unprecedented events are kind of low probability, no?

    Sure it could happen. There are black swans in australia…

    But how likely is it if it hasn’t happened since 1992?

    Doesn’t that 16 year history say something?

    And if I set that cut off to 20% less not even the maddux deal would make it.

    20% less may literally never have happened during the era of free agency.

    The yankees bid is 22% more. By the time the bids are finalized I could see it being 25-30% more.

    But sure it’s true there is a first time for everything.

  44. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    My buddy at work is so ticked off at CC right now.

    I’m mildly flustered because I believe that CC doesn’t hate NY enough to turn down all that money. We will outbid everyone by a longshot.

    I think CC just wants to make sure he gets fair value for his services. It’s a matter of principle and CC strikes me as a principled guy.

  45. Al from BK( Time to move on, go get Tex Cash!) December 8th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    “Know when you are being used!!!!!

    This is NEW YORK…where is your street sense?????”

    Exactly Cash is getting played like a vintage fiddle.

    “I have to admit, I was perfectly fine with Sabathia taking his time and waiting this out, but with the reports today that he told Ned Colletti that “he wants to be a Dodger” I am pretty tired of the guy. You don’t want to come to NY, fine……..but be a man and say it and then go negotiate with the teams you DO want to play for. If you want to be a Yankee, sign the contract already. What, exactly, is another week gonna mean?”

    His charade is totally un-professional. This is the most blatant Yankee squeezing I’ve ever seen, its very apparent that hes using us to get a bigger paycheck on the WC. Pull the deal now and he gets considerably less that would teach him to mess with the Yankees!

  46. MP December 8th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Mel,

    I saw that…not good news for us.
    If the Dodgers can drop his contract, much better chance they’ll have room for a bigtime FA like Sabathia. (Groan).

  47. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Al,

    Stay with us buddy.

  48. WR packin heat December 8th, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    this is so funny that everybody on here is in full panic mode and ready to give up on sabatthia just as the ball is moving in thier direction. patience is just unnatural to new yorkers.

  49. captain beefheart December 8th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    how nice of CC to put 140 mil from NY on his list. they should give him a virtual tour of NYY steak.

  50. Chris December 8th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    moneyball -

    cry me a river.

  51. Nick in SF December 8th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    Will the Dodgers give CC an ownership stake? ‘Cos they’re not going to pay him.

    I am really suprised at how many of you seem to be taking personal umbrage at CC’s decision-making process. Whispering sweet nothings at other teams? How dare he! Hasn’t had the interlocking NY tattooed to his bicep yet? He must not love us enough.

    If CC ends up somewhere else, you’ll all be right and we’ll all be wrong. I still say he ends up in pinstripes.

    On that note, I have to take off for a while, so you can alert CC’s pal that it’s ok to read LoHud again for a while, this will be a no-Nick-in-SF zone.

  52. LTL December 8th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    Either cashman has become a master of the dramatic, or we’ve moved from the optimistic to the ominous. Oops–almost onomatopoeic. Better go finish writing the next chapter of the opus.

  53. BBB December 8th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    Sounds like we’re at about the same place on CC’s list as “stay healthy” is on Carl Pavano’s list.

  54. #9 December 8th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    “We’re on his list”

    That could be his S–t List for all we know.

  55. baja December 8th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Look, its $140M. Either you want it, or you don’t. After a month, it seems obvious to me that he doesn’t want it. Lets spread it among Lowe, Pettitte and (with performance clauses) Sheets/Burnett.

  56. Arial December 8th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Were it not for the probability of losing out on Plan B, I would ride it out since there would be minimal, if any, downside. But in this instance, the downside is considerable. If CC is not given a realistic date for yay or nay, the options may be gone. Cashman, for whatever reason, is projecting a naive image, for which he is far too experienced.

    Is there something that doesn’t meet the eye? Will he, can he, be financially able to move to Plan B (i.e., go after Tex) and still come back to CC if he later accepts? Add to that, either one or two pitching FA’s. that’s a hefty sum. Or, is he saying “forget Tex altogether”…we don’t need hitting, or Manny will always be there and we can do that deal on our terms and when we want?

    Therefore, if no CC and no Tex, the worst possible scenario will be 2 pitching FAs..fro, AJ, BS, DL, OP, AP, and if a Big Bat is to be added, it’s Manny.

  57. John December 8th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    mel,
    i just think he is too injury prone, and is not worth 5 years for THAT much money. I would rather the Yankees get a 2 year deal with Ben sheets. Hey if it works out, sign him to an extension in the second year, and you have yourself a long term thing, if it doesn’t, let him go after his two years is done

  58. E-Man December 8th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Wow.. remember when we were a team players wanted to come to?

  59. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 8th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Al,

    he’s still going to make a large sum of money wherever he goes.

    there are no rules and he is exemplifying that.

    and actually, you never know what might happen with the Angels, unlikely though it seems.

  60. BBB December 8th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    “Just saw Maddux’s retirement on the espn. Does anyone else notice whenever they show baseball highlights for a player it’s always against the yankees? This morning while talking about K-Rod they had him striking out Abreu. Just now they had Maddux as a cub striking out an unidentified yankee. I’m not liking this bias.”

    Though this annoys me sometimes too, I actually kinda like that they do it. Shows we’re the benchmark.

  61. Mike December 8th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Everyone needs to remember that baseball is business plain and simple. These guys go about switching employers just like we do…..We choose by who will give us the most money.

    If I were C.C. I would try and squeeze every last $$ out of the Yankees if I could. Especially if I knew how desperate they were for an ace pitcher.

  62. Patrick December 8th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    I think the Yankees have put Sabathia in a tough spot. Sounds like an absurd statement right? Hear me out.

    Its very obvious at this point that CC wants to play in California. The only problem is that no team in California can come close to the Yankees offer. I’m sure they could afford Sabathia for $80-100 million but none of them have a huge need at SP. The Yankees made a great move by blowing everyone out of the water with their first offer. It went so far and above the California team’s budgets that now they won’t even bother to offer Sabathia anything.

    Sabathia is waiting and hoping for a Cali team to offer him a deal but I don’t see it happening.

    Dodgers – Cheap owner, there’s no way McCourt would spend that much on Sabathia.

    Giants – Already wasted 120 mil on Zito. Plus they already have strong starting pitchers.

    Angels – Focusing on Teixeira and they don’t really need starting pitching.

    A’s and Padres can’t afford Sabathia.

    Unless Sabathia is willing to lose out on $40 million of guaranteed money there’s no way he turns the Yankees down.

  63. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 8th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    E-Man,

    That was something I was thinking about last week.

    I wonder if playing in New York might have lost some of its luster.

    if so, probably only temporary.

    If the 80s taught us anything, its that we will come back and when we do, it will be with great vengeance and furious anger.

  64. Al from BK( Time to move on, go get Tex Cash!) December 8th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    “Al,

    Stay with us buddy.”

    Jets free-falling in the division, Knicks stinking for the next 2 years and CC using the Yanks to drive up the price. Sports-wise I feel pretty bad right now.

  65. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 8th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    BBB,

    The Yankees were one of the most dominant teams during a large part of Maddux’s career. Take it as a compliment.

  66. John December 8th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    espn is saying that cc told the dodgers gm that he wants to be a dodger

  67. Arial December 8th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Perhaps CC is shrewder that than one thinks…jerk the Yankees around so they give up and then make the move for and sign Tex (assuming that he prefers the East Coast) then Moreno has the money available for CC.

  68. RhapsodyInBlue December 8th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Frank McCourt will tell CC that he can be a Dodger but it will be for a lot less than $140M.

  69. Ajay December 8th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Sounds like Colletti is just trying to stir up news. I find it hard to believe players walk around and seek out GM’s and say “hey I want to play for you”. That’s what these guys have agents for. Don’t you think CC would be putting his agent in a tuff spot to bargin by letting a team know he wants to play for them? The Dodgers can then make a low bid and always cling to the fact “your client said he wants to play here”. I am sure the agent teaches the players to not say things like this the first day there signed.

  70. pat December 8th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    No one panic. Coletti didn’t tell the world that CC spoke with him to panic Yankee fans. He did it to light a fire under some player or agent somewhere.

  71. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Al,

    Stay positive on CC. Girardi calls him genuine and Cashman calls his interest legit. Those are strong words coming from powerful people in-the-know. They saw CC face to face and to come out feeling good is a very good sign. It’s all that we can hope for short of him signing this instant. Perhaps he gave enough of an indication that if the money’s right (and we will make it right by God) then he would be willing to commit to the fans, the city and the team for 6 years of his young life. All we needed to see was that sign before we proceed with the sub-parts of our offseason strategy.

    The Yankees will be very busy at these meetings and many changes will come. I have a good feeling right now so I send you some of my mojo.

  72. Doreen December 8th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    I know CC had said he didn’t want to do tours, but in order to realize that New York is so much more than NYC, he and his wife really do need to make a trip here and see where exactly is that they’d more than likely be living. It will make a big difference, I’m sure.

  73. vinny-b *GoldenEye 64 = greatest all-time vidgame* December 8th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    basically, it like this:

    if Texeria signs with LA Angels. Then CC is a New York Yankee.

    if Texeria signs with Boston. Then CC is a LA-Anaheim Angel.

    *Boston is the wild-card in all of this*. They hold the power to (insert 4-letter word here) the NY Yankees.

  74. Tom December 8th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    I went to a game in ’97 at Yankee Stadium. Gregg Maddux pitched. He shut out the Yankees that day. He threw 85 pitches and the game lasted 2 hours.

  75. Al from BK( Time to move on, go get Tex Cash!) December 8th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    “espn is saying that cc told the dodgers gm that he wants to be a dodger”

    Very upsetting news. Especially given the optimism surrounding his meeting with Cash. This is all window dressing this guy would play for an independant league team if it meant he could stay in Cali. Lets drop this fool and pick up Tex stud first baseman don’t come along everyday dubious negotiations happen every year ;)

  76. Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    “if Texeria signs with Boston.”

    Angels are fully loaded and ready to go. Bring it on SoxNation.

    You got nothin’

  77. E-Man December 8th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    “E-Man,

    That was something I was thinking about last week.

    I wonder if playing in New York might have lost some of its luster.

    if so, probably only temporary.

    If the 80s taught us anything, its that we will come back and when we do, it will be with great vengeance and furious anger.”

    It’s a new era..

    New stadium (we lose something everyone wants to play in – Old Yankee stadium)
    New Manager (With alot of mixed reviews)
    New Ownership (still unproven)

    Hopefully it’s only temp..

  78. Buddy Biancalana December 8th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Nice update on CC by Pete a few mins ago. Looks like CC can be swayed to play for NY.

  79. pat December 8th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Arial

    Maybe… but what if Manny is the Angels Plan B instead of CC because they need a hitter more than a pitcher. That would leave CC with the Brewers. Dangerous game.

    Coletti’s motive for sharing the info is more in question than CC saying it.

  80. Brian (Red Sox fan) December 8th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    CB ….. isn’t there a one year difference between the Yankee and Brewer offers? I believe that the AAV differential is about $3M per year. Also, ESPN TV reported that the Brewers may offer an opt out (for Sabbathia) after only two or three years.

    You’re right about the difference in guaranteed money ($100M to $140M), but there are aspects to the Brewer contract (i.e. the opt-out) that close the gap (much like the give and take of a collective bargaining agreement).

    I just hope that CC keeps the Yankees occupied so the Sox can swoop in on Texeira.

  81. Al from BK( Time to move on, go get Tex Cash!) December 8th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    “basically, it like this:

    if Texeria signs with LA Angels. Then CC is a New York Yankee.

    if Texeria signs with Boston. Then CC is a LA-Anaheim Angel.

    Boston is the wild-card in all of this. They hold the power to (insert 4-letter word here) the NY Yankees.”

    Or we could sign Tex and thwart Boston altogether. I don’t like my odds with trusting CC after all the back and forth BS we’ve heard about him.

  82. CB December 8th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    John Heyman is reporting that the yanks are ready to offer AJ Burnett a 4 yr/64M deal.

    He’s also saying that this is higher than the braves offer which he sights as 4 yr/ 60M.

    Atlanta’s offer has a vesting option for 5th year that has been reported to be easy to obtain.

    I don’t think an AAV of $16M vs. atlanta’s AAV of $15M is going to make much difference.

    It’s that 5th year and whether it’s guaranteed/ how easy it is to get that’ll determine where Burnett signs.

    I wouldn’t give him a guaranteed 5th year.

  83. Mark (Brett is back) December 8th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Heyman agrees that the Yanks are prepared to give more money to Aj, but not the 5th year.

    LAS VEGAS — The Yankees are prepared to top the Braves’ reported $60 million four-year offer to star free-agent pitcher A.J. Burnett, according to people familiar with their thinking.

    While the Yankees had been reluctant to give Burnett the full-fledged five-year deal he seeks,. they seem likely to offer a four-year deal for about $64 million. Burnett is being purused by the Jays, Orioles and Nationals as well.

  84. all the latest December 8th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    The R.M.S. Titanic sails tomorrow at noon. The decks chairs need to be re-arranged.

  85. BBB December 8th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    “That was something I was thinking about last week.

    I wonder if playing in New York might have lost some of its luster.

    if so, probably only temporary.”

    This has occurred to me too, and if true, because I’m a fan it saddens me, but it also puzzles me. Sure we won slightly under 90 games and missed the playoffs just as we did many times when I was a kid, but I think it should be fairly obvious to anyone paying attention that this isn’t the Yankees of 20 years ago. the team isn’t far off from truly competing, we have a top 10 farm system (or did going into 08), there’s no Buhner for Phelps madness, George no longer meddling, and so on. The future is still bright for this team, sure our chances of winning now arent what they were 10 years ago, but are we really a bad enough team to be looked at as such a bleak option?

  86. Laura - The Hot Stove is Cold! December 8th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    “Cashman said he felt Sabathia was a genuine person and that his interest in the Yankees is legit.”

    Shouldn’t this say that his interest in our $$ is legit? :P

  87. Andrew OH December 8th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees should push for Sabathia. I would much rather get Lowe and Sheets.

    Wang, Joba, Pettite, Lowe, and Sheets. With Hughes and Kennedy in reserve and less pressure to mature.

  88. AROD fan December 8th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    Uh oh.
    Just when I was about to be optimistic, I learn that so is Girardi.
    I’ve officially given up all hope of Sabathia coming to Yankees.
    :(

  89. Laura - The Hot Stove is Cold! December 8th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    “Sabathia is waiting and hoping for a Cali team to offer him a deal but I don’t see it happening.

    Dodgers – Cheap owner, there’s no way McCourt would spend that much on Sabathia.

    Giants – Already wasted 120 mil on Zito. Plus they already have strong starting pitchers.

    Angels – Focusing on Teixeira and they don’t really need starting pitching.

    A’s and Padres can’t afford Sabathia.

    Unless Sabathia is willing to lose out on $40 million of guaranteed money there’s no way he turns the Yankees down.”

    This was my thinking earlier as well. However, if this is true and we have figured this out, why hasn’t Cashman? Why doesn’t Cashman call CC’s bluff, put a deadline on the offer and let CC come calling to us a la A-Rod? Let’s be honest – one of the reasons A-Rod is a Yankee is because despite the crap Boras fed him, there was no other team out there that could pay him (or would pay him) the most $$. CC is in the exact same position. I’m tired of us begging him to join our party. Let him ask to be invited in.

  90. AROD fan December 8th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    CC
    “NYC is a disgusting city. It is no place to raise children or keep your wife.”

    –Joe Girardi said he felt good about the meeting. Sabathia asked questions about the lifestyle in New York for his wife and kids, schools, etc.

  91. educated fan December 8th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Bret the Hitman December 8th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    CB,

    Your point makes even more sense when put in the context of this particular free agent. Maddux was returning to his home team. Bernie rejected more money from the Sox to return to the Yankees.

    CC is as free as a free agent can be. There’s no prior loyalty to any one team.

    no. george steppend in an upped his offer 20 mil.

  92. S.o.S. December 8th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    I say forget C.C. Sing Manny as a dh. Trade Matsui or Damon. Get Tex and lets slug our way to a title. I have never heard of a job interview where you are offered the highest salary possible and you tell them your on my short list.

    If they dont want to dump C.C. Tell him that your offer will be going down a million per day till he signs or we pull the offer of the table. We have the money!! Most dont. Money is power right now. Cash start acting like it.

  93. CB December 8th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    “isn’t there a one year difference between the Yankee and Brewer offers? I believe that the AAV differential is about $3M per year.”

    Reportedly the Brewers were set to increase their offer to 6yr/120M but there is evidently a huge chunk of deferred money in that.

    In real dollars the Brewers deal if it goes to 6 years then its going to be worth around 110M which is 22% less than the yankees offer.

    Ned Colletti today denied that an opt out was being discussed.

    CC’s people are leaking rumors to try to make it seems like he has more options than he really does. All player’s agents try to do that.

    I also think blogs/ fans are making way too much out of how the brewer’s can be “creative” and change the AAV, etc. to try to make the deal more valuable.

    As a pitcher, CC will never, ever have as much leverage as he does right now – 28, coming off two brilliant season, a Cy Young and a brilliant performance to carry the brewers into the playoffs on his back. And he comes out into the market when the yankees are desperate for pitching.

    In many ways, an opt out from the brewers would not be in CC’s interest at all.

    If the brewers gave him an opt out they would be doing that to make up some of the monetary gap with the yankees.

    Why would CC ever do that? The worse thing he could do during the point at which he has maximum leverage is to convert some of his worth into non-monetary value. He should try to internalize all of his worth into dollars.

    Selecting an opt out would be him turning his monetary value and converting it into future opportunity. That doesn’t make much sense for him at all given that baseball contracts in the uber-stratosphere CC is in aren’t going to go up that much in value over the next three seasons. He’ll be 31.

    It just doesn’t add up for him.

    The yankee offer is much, much better than any other he’s gotten. All of the others have significant deferred money and are likely back loaded.

    The real dollar value of the yankee’s offer is substantially larger.

  94. BBB December 8th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    “basically, it like this:

    if Texeria signs with LA Angels. Then CC is a New York Yankee.

    if Texeria signs with Boston. Then CC is a LA-Anaheim Angel.

    Boston is the wild-card in all of this. They hold the power to (insert 4-letter word here) the NY Yankees.”

    Vinny: But wouldn’t the Yankees have a chance to meet or exceed Boston’s offer to Teix, and couldn’t we afford to pay him more because we’re not saddled with the contract of a guy who would become a very expensive backup corner IF with Teix in the picture?

    Unless you think Boras will stealthily offer Boston an exclusive on Teix if they agree to give Varitek an over market deal too? Can’t say that hasn’t occurred to me but in the end Boras probably has more to gain from a Teix megadeal than an overpaid-but-still-modest-in-the-grand-scheme-of-things deal for Varitek, so its bad business to cut the Yanks out on Teix.

  95. vinny-b *GoldenEye 64 = greatest all-time vidgame* December 8th, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    “Just saw Maddux’s retirement on the espn. Does anyone else notice whenever they show baseball highlights for a player it’s always against the yankees? This morning while talking about K-Rod they had him striking out Abreu. Just now they had Maddux as a cub striking out an unidentified yankee. I’m not liking this bias”

    I only know Maddux is underated (IMO). For greatest pitchers of my lifetime, i have to rank him:

    1) Pedro
    2) Maddux
    3) Santana

    * Roger Clemens did not qualify

  96. Doreen December 8th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    I don’t think the ARod and CC situations are similar at all. ARod was interested in money, as much of it as possible, and made no bones about. But he was also interested in legacy and history, both of which for him, would have even more impact as a Yankee than as a member of any other team. CC is a good pitcher, but we are not talking about a guy who is going to set new records, I don’t think.

  97. michael December 8th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    710 espn in l.a. just said cc talked with ned colletti and said he wants to be a dodger. if dodgers dont go the manny route this could get done.

  98. Laura - The Hot Stove is Cold! December 8th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    “I don’t think the ARod and CC situations are similar at all.”

    Money wise, I think they are. Where else is CC going to get the the big payday? Not from any of the CA teams that he supposedly is drooling over. Same with A-Rod. No one else was ready or willing to pony up $300mil for him.

    History wise, legacy wise, you are correct – Alex and CC have different agendas and different goals.

  99. vinny-b *GoldenEye 64 = greatest all-time vidgame* December 8th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    dodgers wouldn’t even pick up Manny’s salary last year. I don’t expect them to sign any FA to a long-term contract. Much less, CC.

    the Dodgers do not scare me. What Boston decides to do (signing Tex?) does.

  100. vinny-b *GoldenEye 64 = greatest all-time vidgame* December 8th, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    cuz, if Boston signs Tex. CC is automatically a LAA Angel.

  101. Stan December 8th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    is it just me or does it seem after all this back and forth CC is on the fast track to A-Rod treatment even if he signs with us…i mean first bad game he has people are going to be calling for his head claiming he doesnt want to be here and we need to get rid of him, seems like a bad match from the start but what can you stupid Twins took the mets’s mediocre prospects instead of our draft picks

  102. Steve December 8th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    I think that we land CC as long as LAA ends up with Tex. If Sox get Tex then LAA will go all out for CC. Worse case for us is Tex goes to beantown and we lose CC. that would be a bad sign for next season.

    I still think that CC team is looking to create market competion where none currently exists. Brewers cannot beat Yanks in contract offer. I do not see Giants being competitive. They bought the farm on Zito contract and we all see how much they are choking on that contract.

    Everyone needs to relax. I think Cashman and company know what they are doing. They are also aggressive on AJ and Lowe front. I still think they will make a trade or two to add another pitcher (particularly if we do not land one of the big 3) and find more hitting help. Smaller deals will upgrade the bench. We have money to spend and we are not afraid to make moves

  103. Ed - patience isn't a virtue to some people December 8th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Dave O’Brien is getting indications Burnett could make a decision this week and not wait for Sabathia. But O’Brien believes it’d take a five-year offer (no vesting option) for him to do that.

    http://www.ajc.com/blogs/conte.....ogs_braves

  104. pat December 8th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Laura

    Another difference in A-Rod and CC is A-Rod came back to the Yanks before free agency negotiations began so no one will ever know if an offer was available or not. CC has had a month to field offers and is hearing dial tone so far despite soliciting them himself.

  105. vinny-b (big CC: the peeps on this blog were only kidding) December 8th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    test

  106. Laura - The Hot Stove is Cold! December 8th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    “710 espn in l.a. just said cc talked with ned colletti and said he wants to be a dodger. if dodgers dont go the manny route this could get done.”

    You know why I don’t buy this story? If CC is this upstanding guy that everyone says, how could he possibly say this stuff to Colletti after looking Cashman in the face and saying that he’s interested in NYY? What kind of PR hit would he take? This would make him a liar. Call me crazy, but I wouldn’t think that CC wants people to think of him as a liar – I don’t care how things are handled when doing FA negotiating. Agents lie. Players shouldn’t.

  107. Doreen December 8th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Laura -

    Right now, I would say CC is not necessarily all about getting the biggest pay day he can get. He’s making a point of stating his preference is to be on the west coast, and he’s got to know he’d have to take less money from those teams to do that (assuming the Yankees would increase their offer). Now, we’ll see how it all turns out, but until he actually chooses money over location, I’d have to say he’s so far not all about the money.

  108. Miggs December 8th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    I would love nothing more than for the Yankees to pull their offer to CC.

    Pulling the offer doesn’t mean we don’t want him, but if this info about him telling Coletti that he wants to be a Dodger, that’s just such trash.

    The guy goes to dinner with the Yankees guys for 2 1/2 hours and may have absolutely no interest in playing here, it could all be a ploy to keep them involved. Its been 4 weeks.

    Look, CC said he wanted this done quick. I believed him when he said it. The problem is that no teams he wants to play for have offered him a contract. Its not that hard to figure out. I may be wrong and I hope I am, but I doubt it.

    If the offer is pulled, CC will be looking at offers in the 100-115 range, maybe 120. But no one will feel the need to go higher because the Yankees aren’t involved. If the bidding ever got serious and CC came to the Yankees asking for an offer, they could always make another one.

    Just something to think about.

  109. Laura - The Hot Stove is Cold! December 8th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    “Another difference in A-Rod and CC is A-Rod came back to the Yanks before free agency negotiations began so no one will ever know if an offer was available or not.”

    I could be wrong, but my guess is that Boras got feelers from various teams that the money wasn’t there. It just doesn’t make sense to me any other way. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

  110. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    The Dodgers made an offer to Manny that they had to know was inadequate. They don’t have or won’t spend the money. If they had the money for CC, they would have made an offer a long time ago. What, they didn’t know CC is interested in staying on the West Coast?

  111. RhapsodyInBlue December 8th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Cash and Sabathia met again today.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde....._in_v.html

  112. Brian (Red Sox fan) December 8th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    CB …. I think you’re downplaying the value of an opt-out. IF CC stinks, he maintains the present contract and takes the guaranteed money. If he excels, or if the market continues to climb, he pulls an ARod.

    What was Arod’s opt-out worth? $50M more guaranteed, as well as “marketing incentives”? And at no risk to the player.

    If nothing else, it gives CC a contractual clause which deflects the pressure from the players’ union.

  113. pat December 8th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Doreen

    If it’s not about the money, CC would take 6/80 from SF and live happily ever after. It’s a combo of location and money. Even A-Rod was willing to take a pay cut to get out of Texas and go to Boston if the union would have allowed it.

  114. Laura - The Hot Stove is Cold! December 8th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    “Right now, I would say CC is not necessarily all about getting the biggest pay day he can get….. Now, we’ll see how it all turns out, but until he actually chooses money over location, I’d have to say he’s so far not all about the money.”

    I don’t know that we know, Doreen. That’s the joy and the misery of this situation. Until CC signs on someone’s dotted line, we won’t know what is really important to him. I will say this – if he takes less money to be closer to CA, he’s a better person than I am. I would have signed the contract with us two minutes after Cashman made the offer. :P

  115. vinny-b (big CC: the peeps on this blog were only kidding) December 8th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Cris Carter and Keyshawn, hilarious right now.

    discussing the J E T S

    : )

  116. Bob Mac December 8th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Has anyone ever heard of CC’s agent or agency before him? No doubt they can’t afford bad publicity. I have heard of three people with that company working on CC. I bet their spouses and family want 5% of the largest number possible. The 15% diffence might not matter to the lifestyle of CC’s family. but that much less of a fee can affect the people in the agency.

  117. Joe from Long Island December 8th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    If the Graziano piece is correct, that tells me that CC is serious about taking the Yanks’ offer, and is getting himself into the frame of mind to play in NY. Doesn’t guarantee it, but why else meet a second time with Cash? Why waste his time?

  118. Doreen December 8th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    pat -

    You’re right. It’s both.

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  120. Al from BK( Time to move on, go get Tex Cash!) December 8th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    “You know why I don’t buy this story? If CC is this upstanding guy that everyone says, how could he possibly say this stuff to Colletti after looking Cashman in the face and saying that he’s interested in NYY?”

    Just because Cash and GI Joe thought he was a nice, honest guy doesn’t mean he is. He only wants to pitch on the WC the best thing to do now is pull the offer and leave CC out in the cold begging for 100 mil.

  121. Brian (Red Sox fan) December 8th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    Re: Opt-outs ….. I must be having a mental block. I forgot (or am in denial) about the opt-out that delivered J.D. Drew to the Sox. Definitely beneficial to Drew, not so sure about the benefit for the Sox, though.

  122. Doreen December 8th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    Laura -

    This is indeed a frustrating experience! :)

  123. WR packin heat December 8th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

    im satisfied with the cc situation. you cant make him decide before he wants to. that he met with cash again today is a very good sign. now get down to buisness with another starter and when cc’s ready well pick it up again.
    i say a few days to relax and think about it and the pinstripes might be starting to sound pretty good to cc. maybe he can get in a call to lebron to chat about the future.

  124. vinny-b (big CC: the peeps on this blog were only kidding) December 8th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    have to side with Nick. I believe CC will sign with NYY

  125. Laura - The Hot Stove is Cold! December 8th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    “Just because Cash and GI Joe thought he was a nice, honest guy doesn’t mean he is. ”

    But Cash and Girardi aren’t the only people saying that CC is a nice guy. I’ve seen it in print on more than one occasion. Now that doesn’t make it true, but it’s more likely that it’s true than that it’s not.

  126. RhapsodyInBlue December 8th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    “If the Graziano piece is correct, that tells me that CC is serious about taking the Yanks’ offer, and is getting himself into the frame of mind to play in NY. Doesn’t guarantee it, but why else meet a second time with Cash? Why waste his time?”

    He talked to his wife after the first meeting with Cashman and then needed a second meeting to clarify a few issues for wifey. I like it.

  127. Doreen December 8th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    When CC was traded to Milwaukee, he and his wife took out an ad in a Cleveland newspaper basically saying how much they enjoyed their time there and what a great experience it was for them. He sounds like a decent guy to me.

    And even if he took that second meeting to get some more clarity and it doesn’t end up in our favor, I think we at least know he took the offer seriously and gave it serious consideration.

    What will be, will be. The Yankees did their part, that’s all they can do.

  128. Al from BK( Time to move on, go get Tex Cash!) December 8th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    “The Yankees’ six-year, $140 million offer to Sabathia has been on the table now for nearly four weeks. Not only has Sabathia not said yes, he has been sending messages to the three interested West Coast teams — the Dodgers, Giants and Angels — that he would like to play in California.

    But in his meeting with the Yankees, Sabathia did not indicate that his delay in signing has anything to do with a preference to play elsewhere, the source said. He’s simply attempting to assemble as full a picture as possible before making a major decision. “He just wants to know what it’s like to play in New York,” the source said.”-ESPN.COM

    He has been calling all 3 WC teams and pleading for contracts. That is someone who should never have the privilege of wearing the Yankee uniform. Offer AJ 4 years 64 mil and get Tex end of story.

  129. S.A.- CC Watch 2008: Making some Yankee fans go bonkers December 8th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    I can provide CC with a list of schools in the NY Metro area. :P

    He has to think about his family in this situation too guys. How old are his kids? Is Mrs. CC working? Is there a grandma/grandpa CC we have to consider too?

  130. WR packin heat December 8th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    “When CC was traded to Milwaukee, he and his wife took out an ad in a Cleveland newspaper basically saying how much they enjoyed their time there and what a great experience it was for them.”

    the old edgardo alfonzo maneuver, well played.

  131. Doreen December 8th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Al, I now know he’s spoken to the Dodgers, but has he really called all WC teams pleading for a contract? Seriously? I know it’s not the ideal situation, but is it that dismal? :)

    If that’s the case, he should just tell the Yankees he doesn’t want to play here under any circumstances and for no amount of money. Because if he’s pleading for an offer, don’t you think one of those teams would make a fair offer (higher than Milwaukee, lower than NY), knowing CC would more than likely take it?

  132. Jeff NJ December 8th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    CC is as good as committed. No way he will turn down the money. I for one, welcome our new our new 300 lb pitching overlord.

  133. CB December 8th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    “I think you’re downplaying the value of an opt-out. IF CC stinks, he maintains the present contract and takes the guaranteed money. If he excels, or if the market continues to climb, he pulls an ARod.”

    Brian,

    You’re severely overvaluing the opt out clause here.

    Let’s put it this way. Say you were his agent and think of it this way.

    What is the probability that you exercise the opt out?

    Let’s put it at 60% yes/ 40% no – and I think the actual probability of him using the clause is less.

    That’s a 40% chance he gets no value what so ever from the clause.

    People are generalizing way too much from the ARod opt out clause.

    Here’s why.

    ARod did not turn any of his value into non-monetary value by getting that opt out written in. That was already by far the largest contract in history – it was a complete outlier in terms of value.

    So it wasn’t like ARod was picking between one deal that was $200M + opt out and the other that was $250M in dollars. In Alex’s case the opt out was a brilliant source of surplus value that Boras negotiated into the contract. It was surplus value on top of the record setting monetary value.

    CC’s case is entirely different. Here the brewers are offerring $110M + opt out vs. $140M cash.

    Do you think that the right to opt out is anywhere remotely close to $30M? No way.

    If it was $140M + opt out vs. $140M cash only sure it has real value – then it would be closer to the ARod situation.

    But why should CC ever defer any of his present value into potential future dollars? He would be dumb to make that exchange. If he could get both – maximum dollar and opt out then sure he should jump at that.

    But sub-maximum value + opt out is not nearly as attractive.

    Remember – he’s a pitcher. Projecting their future value is completely different than a position player.

    If CC settles for $30M less and takes the opt out to make up value and then injures his arm that opt out becomes worthless – even after opting out he wouldn’t get an AAV of 24M/yr. That would be a disaster for him.

    For CC the opt out as proposed by the Brewers would be an example of him externalizing his net value into non-monetary means. That makes little sense for him.

    In the three big recent opt out cases – Alex, JD Drew and Burnett – all three players took the maximum guaranteed dollars offerred to them and then on top of that got the opt out written in. In none of those cases did the player trade his net value and externalize it into a future option. They got max money and the opt out.

    That’s why those deals worked so well for the players. They had the best of both worlds.

    That wouldn’t be the case with CC at all as he would be taking 22% fewer guaranteed dollars. And that’s what matters first and foremost – guaranteed money not future potential dollars.

    Taking future potential dollars instead of guaranteed present dollars is almost the opposite way in which economics makes sense.

    That would be an awful financial deal for CC.

    Now if he could get the yanks to write in an opt out that would be brilliant on his part. But that’s not going to happen.

  134. OldYanksFan December 8th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    WE MUST MAKE TEX A GOOD OFFER IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!
    (said in my best Brandon voice).
    This will get CC to move fast.

  135. BBB December 8th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    When all is said and done, I really want to believe CC that his interest in the Yanks is legit, but I also believed him when he said he didn’t want these contract negotiations to be dragged out, and we all know how that turned out.

  136. Arial December 8th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    I certainly hope GI Joe told CC, “yes you can have all the candy you want in the clubhouse”. If he didn’t that could be the “sticking ” point.

  137. Brian (Red Sox fan) December 8th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    CB – let me be clear(er). The Yankee offer is superior to the Milwaukee offer (what analysis!), and the value of the opt-out, when realized, probably won’t totally close the gap.

    But it is a creative way for a small market team to influence a big-ticket player to their organization. The player can seek greener pastures, and the team can minimze long-term obligations (assuming the opt-out is exercised).

    Having said that, the totality of your argument is compelling. CC would be a fool to turn down the Yankee offer from a monetary perspective. Sox fans are hoping that the specter of fat joke headlines in the Post and Daily News will be enough to dissuade him.

  138. AJW December 8th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Bob Mac this is the same agency that was once fronted by Jeff Moorad. The agent that got Manny that 10 year contract back in the winter of 2000. I say screw Sabathia and go hard after Tex and one of the other two pitchers. I am so sick of this fat man right now I can’t describe. He is using us and I can’t believe the Yankees don’t see that.

  139. AJW December 8th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Oops my bad. I don’t this it was a 10 year contract.

  140. Arial December 8th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Let’s get Hank over to Vegas and in the room with CC. It would be over one way or the other, and we could move forward.

    None of this, “the meeting went well”, “we’re on the list” (following a mind-blowing pre-emptive offer three weeks before)….. Ask any experienced negotiator what that really means.

  141. AJW December 8th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Manny’s deal was 8 years 160 mill.

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