Yankees making a move on Sabathia
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Interesting things going on:
Giants GM Brian Sabean said that CC Sabathia is a back-burner issue for his team. The Angels said roughly the same thing.
And it seems that tonight’s last-minute meeting that Brian Cashman dashed off to involves one CC Sabathia.
More to come as it becomes available.
UPDATE, 10:59 p.m.: I have been able to confirm that tonight’s meeting does in fact involve Sabathia. Newsday is reporting that the meeting is taking place in California, which could well be true. Working on confirmation of that.
On a private plane, one could get from Vegas to San Francisco pretty quickly. Something, it would seem, is going down. CC would not meet three times with the Yankees in a span of 48 hours otherwise.
UPDATE, 11:37 p.m.: We have confirmation. The meeting is in the San Francisco Bay Area and that means it likely includes Amber Sabathia.
The Yankees met with CC for two hours on Sunday night, an hour on Monday afternoon and now again tonight. 1 + 1 + 1 = six years and a whole lot of money. While all of these meetings could well lead to a deal, do not expect an official announcement before the Meetings end as there would have to be a physical.
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Well color me intruiged!
If he is with CC, then it is their third date. Any you know what that means…homerun baby!
Will be watching here all night for info
So wait is it confirmed? Or speculation on your part?
Pete stop being such a tease!!!
Best news I have heard so far.
Are we going to fit CC for pinstripes this week? Will CC be under my Christmas tree? I sure hope he can fit under it.
Nick & I should meet up with them @ the St Francis, so CC knows how badly we want him.
as I said earlier, signing on that dotted line would certainly help CC get back that sleep he’s been losing… Maybe he decided enough was enough. He did say in the beginning that he didn’t want to drag things out.
Cashman is working over CC’s wife. I think Cashman will be good at convinving her, many women love to talk things over many times. Cash can talk for hours without taking a breath, she’ll give in eventually and we’ll have our new ace. It will be hard to sleep tonight knowing this is going on.
“If he is with CC, then it is their third date. Any you know what that means…homerun baby!”
Unless ofcourse CC is a prude…
How am I suppose to get any work done or sleep now? CC Watch 2008 is getting interesting.
jennifer-newsday is reporting this too
This would be the third meeting in 3 days. And Sabathia left Vegas yesterday so Cashman had to go somehwere else (I would presume California) to meet him. This would also shoot down the rumor earlier that Sabathia had turned down the Yankee offer.
Get it done Cashman!!! I hope he signs with NY..Yeah baby
So….
Sabathia, Wang, Sheets, Hughes, Joba
I could live with that.
Ya I will b pressing refresh all night! (But on a selfless note – totally insincere – I’m really disappointed no one else has made a real offer and I hope the yanks offer 160)
You feel that? The HOT Stove is HEATING UP
Okay thanks SA.
this and that the cubs deal falls through and that will make my day
Fran that was just that a RUMOR. Which proved to be false.
Sabathia, Wang, Sheets, Hughes, Joba
Would be awesome.
this is the greatest new i heard all day
I havent been around for all of them but this has to be one of the strangest off seasons ever with the constant flow of contradictory information. There is writers writing one thing and others writing the exact opposite and both contradict themselves later on in the day. Even events stated as facts have been debunked. Hard to even think what to believe any more.
CB- from two blogs ago as rumors are now flying!!
“The sox are going to get quality players. That’s just all there is to it.”
My question are the Yankees going to get “quality” players in Sheets and/or Burnett?
Again, real concern if Teixeira goes to Boston, Angels can offer CC less and get him, then trade a pitcher for a hitter, as their starting pitching is stocked, and they’ll be favorites anyway to take the West.
Then we’re looking at injury high risk aces-Burnett and/or Sheets!! Not real confident in that scenario.
* Trevor December 9th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
So….
Sabathia, Wang, Sheets, Hughes, Joba
I could live with that.
Me too!!! And you notice who that leaves out in the cold…. Pettitte. since 10 million is too little money.
looks like cash flew to san fran to see CC an it has been comfirmed to
Movement on CC?
http://tinyurl.com/6qth2v
YES!!!
should CC sign by the end of week? hope so..
“Cashman had to go somehwere else (I would presume California) to meet him.”
Possibly. But Pete said off-hotel property, not necessarily to California. Could just be at a different hotel with CC’s agent, who I think is still in Vegas. But I wouldn’t be surprised if he hopped a jet to California either.
ooooooooooo very interesting
Is it just me or have the number of sheets fans double in this blog in the last two weeks? To think, i used to have to constantly defend the idea of signing sheets.
Did lawyers go with Cash. If so than we know it was to sign the deal.
Buddy, I can be down to the St. Francis in under 20 minutes, just say the word!
Vallejo would take a little longer, that’s two bridge crossings.
“If he is with CC, then it is their third date. Any [sic] you know what that means”
Brian is going to get to 2nd base on CC?
CC does have man-boobs, but I really don’t want to know about their “relations”
Cash probably told CC to let him know if he could do ANYTHING to help in this “process”.
CC said yeah why don’t you come up and babysit my kids while I take the wife out and discuss your offer.
Cash grabbed the first flight he could to SF after a quick trip to Toys-R-US and Diaper World.
While we sit here on Pete’s blog, Cash is watching Barney and playing Chutes and Ladders.
Why would CC leave vegas, go to cali, call cash and ask him to meet CC in cali? Just another media confirmation that makes little sense.
go get him cashman!
Nick, link doesnt work.
Is cash allowed to leave w meetings to sign players?
With CC/other pitchers-mania going on, I keep on forgetting about Andy Pettitte.
oh my …. how exciting. more info please!
time to shock the (baseball) world. sign CC. then go hard after Tex (while giving Andy 13M and getting that deal done quickly and quietly, easy transaction), then worry about starter #5. At that point, Sheets, Lowe, Garland, who ever is a decent #4/5 for a reasonable price, with Hughes waiting in the wings and Aceves as insurance.
David that isn’t appropriate!
So….
Sabathia, Wang, Sheets, Hughes, Joba
I could live with that.
Me too!!! And you notice who that leaves out in the cold…. Pettitte. since 10 million is too little money
nah pettite will get that 4th spot hughes will continue to devolop in AAA, but with sheets in the rotation hes gunna get injured at some point so hughes can spot start for him and also joba who will need to skip a couple of starts her and there
Seems Gammons is nowhere to be found, too. Must be off in the back booth of some pub, planning his rant against the Yankees and how to paint CC in the worst possible light.
i dont want to bring down the excitment but i think sabean is just throwing a smokescreen
Right before I go to bed….
Newsday story:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....0560.story
Interesting post on Derek Lowe here:
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6433124862209671981&postID=5944755754985154479
Has me convinced that we need this guy as well as C.C.
Ed: I just clicked on it, it works. Turn your speakers on.
Pete- Is there a subliminal message about the Yanks acquiring Manny in this answer by Girardi??
Q. If you guys went to camp with Gardner and Melky competing for centerfield; would the guy who is not the starter be your fourth outfielder wore would you want a more veteran guy?
JOE GIRARDI: I consider Matsui a fourth outfielder/DH possibility, as well. In a sense, you could carry possibly more of a if he defensive guy, because you could put Matsui there and maybe DH Johnny one day, or DH X one day and there are different things you can do with Manny and we expect him to be healthy. We don’t expect him to play the outfield every day but I would consider him a fourth outfielder in a sense, plus your DH, your every day DH.
Well it’s getting humorous how one second I think our chances for CC are over, and the next second I think we have him almost in the bag.
Neither is the case
mel- Gammons is probably crying in his cowda. He is going to call into espn radio saying that the Giants are making an offer doubling the Yankees offer.
Everyone seems more chipper now.
again, no-one said Cash went to California. just said he had a last-minute meeting involving CC, doesn’t mean it’s WITH CC, or that it’s in California….
And if he did go out there, it’s not like he flew from Vegas to NY. But it would probably mean CC is ready or close to ready to sign.
X-Mas Shopping List:
CC $24MM/yr
Sheets $13MM/yr
Pettite $11MM/yr
Tex $20MM/yr
So Sabean is orchestrating the Yankees third meeting in a row with CC? Man, he must have gotten really clever since he stopped working for the Yanks. It’s really a brilliant plan to let the richest team in sports have unlimited access to the player you want three days in a row. Stunningly cunning!
I think in the end, we will get pettitte to take the 10 mil and if CC is done with the games he is playing, our rotation could very well be CC, Wang, Sheets, Pettitte, Joba. That could be 20 win, 20 wins, 15 – 20 wins (if healthy,) 15 wins, 10-15 wins. At the minimum, that adds up to 80 wins without considering the solid bullpen. Maybe im dreaming, then again …
Dave,
in case you didn’t know…flight from las vegas to sf is only 1hr and 25mins.
Chris – Newsday is saying Cash went to SF to meet with CC and his wife…
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....0560.story
Newsday is the only website reporting that the meeting is in Calif. The only reason I can see that he went there would be if CC’s wife wasn’t in Vegas with him over the weekend and she wanted to meet Cash. Otherwise it doesn’t make a lot sense to go when he can go on Thurs after the meetings.
It is only a 1 1/2 hour flight from Vegas to SF. We probably won’t know anything till tomorrow morning.
I think Cash and CC are meeting at the New York, New York casino. Handshake over hot pastrami!
CC is nice… Sure… But let’s not forget he is lousy when the post season begins. CLE needed one win and they were headed to the WS… CC got rocked around in Fenway.
SO, everyone is happy about getting CC… How many of you are going to be killing CASH in 2 years after CC chokes in the post season again?
Yanks can sign Sheets, AJ & Pettitte for about 120 million, or give CC 140 million?
I know Yanks need CC… Still, getting to the playoffs is never the Yankee way- WINNING IN OCT is what counts. While CC helps this team get back to the playoffs, I highly doubt he’s the answer come OCT. Just ask CLE & MIL about that.
Nick,
I got access prohibited.
Reports are cash went to san fran to meet with CC and HIS WIFE. I dunno if this was posted but i guess the wife is willing to hear what ny is all about. She has been rumored to want to stay in cali more than he has.
@Chris
Actually, Newsday seems to believe that the meeting was in San Francisco.
Wow, this blog is more bipolar than Brian Wilson.
Maybe CC had to go to his wife in person to discuss how good the Yankee offer is and how they have kissed her rear more than any Yankee fan could ever imagine
[[[[[[[dave
December 9th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
Why would CC leave vegas, go to cali, call cash and ask him to meet CC in cali? Just another media confirmation that makes little sense.]]]]]]]]
So he can talk to his wife in person and make a decision
Yankee Trader
December 9th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
CB- from two blogs ago as rumors are now flying!!
“The sox are going to get quality players. That’s just all there is to it.”
My question are the Yankees going to get “quality” players in Sheets and/or Burnett?
Again, real concern if Teixeira goes to Boston, Angels can offer CC less and get him, then trade a pitcher for a hitter, as their starting pitching is stocked, and they’ll be favorites anyway to take the West.
Then we’re looking at injury high risk aces-Burnett and/or Sheets!! Not real confident in that scenario.
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If they sign Tex, we counter with a Manny signing. That should even things out nicely
Cash meeting with the Mrs. I know a lot of CC’s hesitancy is likely due to the wife wanting to stay home with the kids. I know Cash will work some magic with Mrs. Sabathia.
Ed: you’re not missing much.
“Reports are cash went to san fran to meet with CC and HIS WIFE.”
Signing 2 Sabatias?!
How is CC’s wife curveball?
Chris in Ny if you read the newsday link it says he went to calif. to meet with cc and his wife. I sure hope that is true.
Whatever you do Cash, dont offer him RJ’s old pad
Al, you censored your tag line already?!?!??!?!? You’re a cheap date.
Matthew,
lets worry about getting to the playoffs again rather than what CC will do in the postseason. And postseason stats are variable – just because arod sucked in the playoffs recently, doesnt mean he did his whole career – look at his numbers. Jeter was solid in the playoffs some years and subpar in a couple. If you play enough, you tend to get to your career numbers or somewhere around it. And he can win us 20 games in the regular season and be the ace we desperately need. AJ cant do that and while i like sheets i dont think he will either. CC is worth the money and few people will be killing cash for making this deal unless he is a total catastrophe in ny (which he wont be.)
Notice that Cashman missing the meeting with the media came after the Giants and Angels said Sabatha was a back burner option.
Guess Sabatha just like A-Rod notice there isn’t much of a market for a $20 million player.
“Chris – Newsday is saying Cash went to SF to meet with CC and his wife…”
Didn’t see that, thanks. That’s probably an even better sign. It’s a short flight and not a big deal for the GM of the Yankees, but it’s not a phone call or stroll up the Vegas strip either. This could be some great news.
Matthew Frag– I think we’ve gone over CC every which way on this blog but I specifically remember doing the whole playoffs thing. The year he pitched against the Sox in the ALCS Cleveland had abused him like none other and i’m sure you remember the Brew Crew riding him into the ground this year. His only other attempt at the post season went relatively well in ‘01. (6ip 2er 5k)
daver-
“X-Mas Shopping List:
CC $24MM/yr
Sheets $13MM/yr
Pettite $11MM/yr
Tex $20MM/yr”
That’s a payroll of around 210 million, with every dollar above 162M taxed at 40%[LUXURY TAX]. Little too hopeful!
Continue shopping however and maybe we’ll pull out of this recession sooner than later!!
Cashman will wow Mrs. C with Teddy stories.
He better not leave without a decision. I’m sick of this dramas.
CC’s wife has a 7 week old among her 3 kids, and that probably means she didn’t go to Vegas this past weekend.
Here’s an interesting article on CC’s home in California…and how his wife hates leaving it every spring.
Do you think Cash Money is sitting at CC’s home bar,,,the Fireball Lounge?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....75RG43.DTL
Al, you’re like Randy Quaid in Major League 2.
Good job Pete with breaking the Sabathia story !
speaking of CC’s kids, I loved how Girardi was able to mention the ages of all three kids off the cuff during his time with the reporters. Shows CC how invested this manager is.
“He better not leave without a decision. I’m sick of this dramas.”
same here, and people could be quiet on stupid rumors that they been reading/hearing.
“Maybe CC had to go to his wife in person to discuss how good the Yankee offer is and how they have kissed her rear more than any Yankee fan could ever imagine”
I think CC went home last night restless about his decision and telling his wife all the things Girardi and Cash had told him about NYC etc. From there maybe the Mrs. asked for more info and Cash said “I’m on my way!” she likely wants to here it from the horses mouth.
Matt Frag – I hate people like you that use his 5 total playoff appearances (in 3 total trips) to bash CC as not a great signing. Fact of the matter is that yes he was bad the past 2 years… But come on… 2 bad postseasons are not the be all and end all…
It’s people like you that claim Wang is a bad pitcher and we should trade him.
What it all comes down to is that the playoffs are a crapshoot for teams and players. Without CC the Brewers don’t make the playoffs, and neither do the 2007 Indians. He lost in 2007 to the Sox… a team that won the WS… and in 2008 to the Phillies… a team that won the WS.
Yeah he was rocked… this year i doubt he had much left at the end of the season after single handedly getting the Brewers into the playoffs… and in 2007 he was hammered at Fenway, but so were a ton of pitchers against the 2007 Red Sox… The Sox lately are a comeback team.. 2004, 2007, and nearly the 2008 ALCS’s they’ve come back from huge deficits.
Does that make the players that played against them horrible… or chokers…
If a team does something once… you can call it a fluke or say players and teams choked… at some point you have to say “that team’s really really good” even if you hate their guts.
And obviously the Brewers think CC is a choker… thats why they didnt make a 100 million offer for 5 years for him… oh wait…
Yankee Sean,
Yea, I read that a couple of minutes after posting the comment and then, i posted it right above your post. It makes MUCH more sense now then it did five minutes ago. Cash is going all out for this guy – i hope he realizes the kind of effort the yankees are putting in reflects how badly ny needs him which should make him feel good about coming here over cali. Plus, it is almost crystal clear at this point that the cali teams will NEVER offer him close to 140 mil – they might eventually put up a milwaukee like bid. I could only assume cc realized their really isn’t much more interest in him whether he likes it or not and then, called cash because his wife may need some convincing to come to NY more than he does.
Cash did mention big family man and trying to get all the info – maybe this whole thing was about his wife not willing to come to NY and he not wanting to live away from her. Cash and CC’s last chat may have indicated as such and cc could have said I’ll go home, tell her what you told me and see if she wants to hear it for herself or something of that nature. Just thinking out loud.
**BEN SHEETS TO SIGN WITH TEXAS??**
Nolan Ryan says the Rangers examined Sheets’ medical records and determined he’s healthy. Sheets seems to have mutual interest, though the Rangers would need to move players to fit him in the payroll.
http://www.dallasnews.com/shar.....37148.html
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this can’t be good, Cash has to make an offer soon.
Interesting article with a pic of CC’s wife, Amber – three kids and she’s going to college for a degree in world history too!
http://blog.cleveland.com/pdwo.....wives.html
Hey, hey. Why the hate on Matthew Frag? He’s just stating his opinion.
If and when the ink dries, CC will become a valuable member of the Yankees.
But it might be wise to temper fantastic expectations of him.
He will have bad games and he definitely won’t be sporting a sub-2.0 ERA like he rocked in the NL.
Ed, Cash is busy right now.
I wonder if Cash went to Cali on air Steinbrenner…
The Yanks don’t have to move anyone to sign Ben Sheets. So what’s the problem?
This is it. I can feeeel it.
Opening Day Yankee Stadium, the first pitch from CC
STEEEEEEEEEEEEE RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKE
Tom,
I understand but when he gets back to Vegas, he has to do it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3758116
CC met with the Giants today?…If that’s true, how is it that he’s a “back burner” issue to them?
Lock it up cashmoney lock it up. Wheeewwwwwww!!!!
Go Pete go! You’re the man!
Really? Sheets wants to go to a team where they want to do away with pitch counts?
So is CC our friend again? I thought some of us moved on?
There were a lot of typos in that transcribed interview; within the context of what Girardi was saying, I would guess that Girardi said “Matty” (he has a propensity for adding that “ee” syllable – see “Bengie” when discussing Ben Sheets) and not “Manny.” In the paragraph he was talking about Matsui.
Mel– CC IS NOT AN ACE.
coolest bed ever
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....TL&o=6
Ben Sheets is from Dallas, so I’d imagine he wants to go there.
Cashman needs to offer 3/$45 as soon as he gets back from SF
I think Wang, Joba, or Andy will open the new Yankee Stadium.
What are the chances I wake up in the morning with an early Christmas present?
Gardner will definitely be pitching the home opener.
Thanks Pete. Great way for me to not get sleep tonight. J/K. Cash going into stealth mode and Pete gets the scoop – love it. Now, lock it up, Cash. Lock it up!!!!
What exactly did CC have to fly out to SF for?
What could Cashman tell CC’s wife that CC couldn’t himself? I’d imagine all he will do is repeat the same information he gave CC.
Yankees have to wait like 6 or 7 games before their opening day
S.A.: Al dropped the anti-CC stuff from his tag line in less time that it takes to flame-broil a Whopper Junior.
“My question are the Yankees going to get “quality” players in Sheets and/or Burnett?”
YankeeTrader,
Its a good question. My original post on this was referring to Tex as a quality player.
But as you bring it up. Depends on how you evaluate quality.
Both guys are very talented. Burnett is inordinantly so. So in that dimension they are quality players.
But neither one is reliable. Sheets in particular is an injury risk.
That’s the rub on both players. But on the flip side if either of them were reliable then they would be $25M players.
Talented and unreliable. Those are the issues with them.
Everytime the yanks were facing Burnett I wrote the game off as a loss – i would give them no more than a 10% – 20% chance of winning.
I’d guess Sox fans felt the same way.
When your needs are great you take on more risk. Your definition of quality tends to change.
Pitching wins games. Pitching is all about risk.
NOW IS THE PERFECT TIME TO WITHDRAW OUR OFFER AND SIGN TEX
THAT OUTTA TEACH CC A LESSON FOR MESSIN’ WITH THE YANKEES
WORD
Since the first game is not until the 17th I believe its really hard to project who will be pitching at the new YS opening day.
What does Cashman need to tell Amber? Where to get her nails done in NY? Where to buy handbags? Where to buy furniture?
Knowing Cashman, he probably made some calls on his flight to San Fran and made a list of those types of things lol
Joba can’t open.. he’s still on an innings count.. He has to be a #5 unless they start him or end him out of the pen again.
peter… do us a favor and tell us all when you go to sleep tonight. cause until i know you’re sleeping i’ll be pressing the refresh button all night
If this deal doesnt happen, it would probably be the only time in baseball history when a free agent met with a team 3 times in the span of 48 hours in two different states and didn’t play for the team.
i can only imagine cash is trying to convince CC’s wife that she will like NY. No wonder the family man thing came up so many times. Who in their right mind wouldn’t move to NY for 140 million dollars? Especially, when it seems like there isnt going to be any other offers close on the table. How could his wife live with herself by making her husband turn down that kind of money? I cant imagine this deal doesnt get done at this point.
I have heard from a reliable source that this meeting is in fact taking place. CC Sabathia would like Brian Cashman to meet his wife. Sometime tonight or tomorrow according to my sources Sabathia will sign with the NY Yankees..
Groowllllllllll
Haha Nick
We all know that CC is not interested in the Yankees right?
Because Joel Sherman knows best…
“LAS VEGAS — It appears that the Yankees are finally getting the clue: CC Sabathia does not want to be married to them.
Sabathia has all but hung out a shingle that says: Anyone but the Yankees.
The first home game next season is something like the 16th. Ten days after opening day but there is an off day the second day of the season. Chances are the person who opens the new digs will be the fifth starter. (Joba Chamberlain mayhaps?)
“It is only a 1 1/2 hour flight from Vegas to SF. We probably won’t know anything till tomorrow morning”
in GTA SA, the flight is a little less.
Man what a CC whirlwind of a day it has been.
If this Cash house call is true, that’s gotta be a good sign.
Maybe all the whisperings of the Yanks plan B offers got the big guy thinking about the potential $$ loss.
Really if the next biggest offer is 100 million and the Yanks pull out as the rotation takes form, CC may top out at 110-115 mil. That’s a lot of scratch to wave bye bye to.
The seemingly low KRod deal may have help out as well?
It is only 8 PM on the West Coast… so there could still be sme news tonight.
Don’t go to bed just yet… Midnight on the west, 3 AM on the East is the deadline, then you can all sleep.
I really hope this meeting is to sign a contract.
Gordon Edes has the Yanks in on Teixeira, for what it’s worth:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns
I forget, but I think YS opening day is our 5th game of the season.
CC is not a True Yankee!!
“The first home game next season is something like the 16th. Ten days after opening day but there is an off day the second day of the season. Chances are the person who opens the new digs will be the fifth starter. (Joba Chamberlain mayhaps?)”
You’re right, I forgot we open on the road.
Let’s be honest guys. This pretty much ensures the CC is going to be a Yankee. It is now clear that no one is coming close to $140 million, and Cash just has to sell CC’s wife. CC is already sold, and he’ll be a Yankee shortly. This is very, very good news for our ballclub boys. Lefthanded aces don’t hit the market very often, especially not on the better side of 30. I’m in a very good mood right now.
moreno: were not in the cc picture
I feel like we are in the last half mile in an 100 mile marathon. I hope this is the end and we’ve won!!
Bronx Jeers,
Agreed. The K-rod deal didn’t hurt at all.
Knock it off. I’m pitching opening day in MY new stadium, end of story.
Vinny,
LOL hahas.
WITHDRAW THE OFFER NOW.
CC IS TAKING TOO LONG OBVIOUSLY
SIGN TEX NOW AND AJ BURNETT.
AT LEAST THEY WANT TO BE YANKEES
THIS GUY IS USING US!
my knod goes to pettite for opening day i think hes the one on this staff that will deserve it more and of coarse mo has t pitch in the game to
Dan- I cannot argue with that.
Dave- I cringe when I encounter people like you, b/c you’re going to be the first in line to bash Cash$, to boo CC, if/when he gives it up in the post season.
Against BOS in his CAREER… CC is 2-4 in 7 starts with an era about 4. 21 earned runs (8 HRs) in 48 IP; 51 hits.
Through the first 2 months of the season this year, pitching under the pressure of this being his free agent year, CC had an era close to 8… All put elimiating CLE from the playoffs.
AND… you cannot have it both ways… IF CC was lousy in the post season b/c of being overworked… THEN, that should be a risk… b/c Yanks want to sign this guy for 6 years, and as you said yourself… he’s been abused the last few seasons.
NOW… THIS IS NOT SAYING I DO NOT WANT CC, or that his is some chump. I reserve those feelings for Derek Lowe. I’m just saying… if it were my 140 million… I would go another direction.
(1) I would prefer 3 for 1: AJ, SHEETS, PETTITTE
(2) In know AJ owns BOS
(3) CC appears to desire pitching closer to home
My reasoning for bringing up CC’s post season stats is not not belittle the guy, but to make my point that I would invest 120 million in 3 pitchers, instead on just one in CC, and still save 20 million.
If we sign CC, no ay we can sign TEX. I do not mind that… BUT, still… Just signing CC is not the answer.
(1) yanks still have holes in the rotation
(2) yanks still have NOBODY to protect Arod in the lineup
Sounds like the WC teams are giving their concession speeches. Spineless fools. Should’ve made an offer, he could’ve been had.
Now, I have to give up any hope of Mark Teixeira donning ’stripes. I’m sure when Tex lies down to sleep at exactly 10:00 tonight, he’ll toss and turn. Poor thing. No Cash to read him a bedtime story.
We like news to Break at 3 am on the East Coast…Don’t we Willie
moreno’s words in this SI.com article are pretty strong. if they’re not a smokescreen, CC would be flat out silly not to sign with the Yankees, NOW.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
every one seems a lil more chipper now ..i will be the 1st to admit i was wrong …cccccc u on opening day cc lol…… i am ganna get started making his size xxxxxxxxl uniform now i should be done by april i hope>>>> lol
go get emm,,,,, cashhh
Bobcat is back…
How can people say we are NOT in the CC picture or we arent going to get him when cash is meeting with him and his wife as we speak. What are they talking about? Are they convincing Cash why he shouldnt go to the yanks? I dont think so. You dont ask a GM to come meet your wife unless you are already convinced and you want him to convince her. That is the only reasonable explanation. i DOUBT CC called Brian over so that he can check out the place – this is the final phase of the sabathia marathon. Im just glad he didnt want to drag things out – imagine if he did.
Confidential to Bruce Jenkins: ha ha!
Hypothetical…let’s say we get CC AND we get AJ.
For the final opening…which would you take:
a.) Pettite, 1 yr $13MM/yr
b.) Sheets,2 yrs $13MM/yr
where’s bobcat?
I think Andy may have lost his rights to opening day to the new Stadium.
I say let Mo start. 1 inning, obviously. But let Mo throw the first pitch at the new Stadium (first official pitch I guess…….).
Oh, and the reason CC wanted Cashman to fly out to California is that CC and the Mrs. are showing Cash the blueprints to the new dreamhouse and asking Cash where the Yanks are going to build a copy of it.
DAVE-
I think we can only sign two A-rated free agents. Of course, we can sign Pettitte b/c he was on our team. BUT, I think rules prevent the Yanks from signing AJ, CC & Sheets. Same with TEX & Manny. Only two of those can come to NY.
“Where’s bobcat?”
Post 11:12 pm
dave,
Who the heck are you talking to? Who’s saying we’re not in on CC?
I take ‘a’ daver.
I think Andy may have lost his rights to opening day to the new Stadium.
I say let Mo start. 1 inning, obviously. But let Mo throw the first pitch at the new Stadium (first official pitch I guess…….).
i think it would be wrong for mo to trw the first pitch he needs to trow the last pitch
I agree 100% with you on that last post MF. A-Rod is not going to be protected by a gimpy Matsui and a league average X-Man. Oh and if we add CC we still only have 3 pitchers. The Ca$h-Ninja can’t be done with this move. You’re right, CC’s abuse points are cause for concern. Just pointing out that CC was run pretty hard before those 2 playoff flops, which might explain them.
OH, and yeah the first game is the 16th, game 10.
That’s incorrect matthew frag. Especially since we’re losing two type ‘A’s in Abreu and Pudge. Also, I think this rule may have been changed in the new CBA.
IF we do sign CC… I say sign Manny, Andy.
Arod-Manny would be nasty… add that to CC-Wang-Pettitte-Joba, with Jeter & MO… That ensures regular season & post season success.
“On a private plane, one could get from Vegas to San Francisco pretty quickly.”
I just checked and no private planes have traveled from the Vegas area to SF area today. If Cash went to SF, he’s either flying commercial or stealth.
There appears to have been a major break in the Yankees’ negotiations with free-agent left-hander CC Sabathia, and the sides appear closer than ever to a deal.
“From (Tuesday) morning until (Tuesday) night, things are looking a lot more positive in terms of us signing this guy,” one Yankees official said. “If you’d asked me at 11:00 (Tuesday) morning, I’d have told you no way. But right now, we have a real shot.”
Part of the reason for the increased optimism was the third meeting in three days between Sabathia and Yankees GM Brian Cashman. According to a person close to the situation, who declined to be identified because he’s not authorized to speak for Cashman, Cashman flew to San Francisco on Tuesday afternoon to meet with Sabathia and his wife at the pitcher’s request.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....ogres.html
I believe part of the negotiations involved ’selling’ the Yankees: the history, the winning tradition, the legends.
The Yankees pulled out all stops to get CC Sabathia.
Would seem weird if they’re asking him to be the ace, the understand the pride and the honor of wearing the pinstripes and oh by the way, you’re not the opening day pitcher in our new stadium. It’s a nice stadium and all but you’re the new guy and you’re not a true Yankee yet.
matthew frag
December 9th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
DAVE-
I think we can only sign two A-rated free agents. Of course, we can sign Pettitte b/c he was on our team. BUT, I think rules prevent the Yanks from signing AJ, CC & Sheets. Same with TEX & Manny. Only two of those can come to NY.
dont believe thats true because remember early on in the offseason the yanks were rumered to possabl sign all tree starting pitchers that would have not been said if there was a rule
CC
Wang
Sheets
Pettite
Joba
it is premature to speculate. However, if Cashman were able to swing this, then our *lineup* just got better.
if CC is on board, Sheets is a no-brainer. Signed to limited years, and instead having to be *the* guy, would be a luxury item.
rodg12- Cool. That would help if someone could get the facts. We didn’t offer Abreu & Pudge arbitration, so does that still mean anything? How does it all work anyway?
I would then sign CC, Sheets & Manny (If I could select three). Bring Pettitte back… Away we go!
Abe says he flies commercial
The Arte Moreno story above was pretty definitive that CC wasn’t happening even if Teixiera goes elsewhere. I have no reason to doubt that. CC’s options are very limited. That’s a good thing.
Bret,
CC seems like a low-key guy and may prefer a soft opening to a Grand Opening.
“Through the first 2 months of the season this year, pitching under the pressure of this being his free agent year, CC had an era close to 8….”
do you just make crap up?
you are counting his one start in March and the month of April as “the first 2 months of the season?” that’s pretty dishonest.
Sabathia: IP – ERA
March/April: 32 – 7.88
May – 44.1 – 2.44
June – 38 – 1.89
July – 47.2 – 2.27
August – 48.1 – 1.12
Sept – 42.2 – 2.11
so now the “pressure” is in April? and not in August/September?
give me a break. you are full of it.
Good things.
CC
Wang
Sheets
Pettite
Joba
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I believe Pettitte is not their top choice for the 4th spot. They’re really taking their sweet time with him.
who starts opening day if cc is signed?
Rich-
it’s now obvious that things went REALLY well in the second meeting… That it was pretty much agreed on that Cash would follow CC back to San Fran to sit down with the wife.
Yanks are probably ready to pull the trigger on PLAN-B, and CC realizes that.
NOW, if we do sign CC… that might help in the negotiation w/ Sheets, TEX or AJ. They might be willing to take less b/c they see the Yanks are serious players now to win it all next year.
You an ESPN insider matthew frag?
If so, I’ve got a link explaning it. If not, I can post it…
Go Pete go…thank you for the blog. It’s what keeps Yankee fans going over the winter.
I believe Pettitte is not their top choice for the 4th spot. They’re really taking their sweet time with him.
pettite just needs to stick wit the yanks they yanks stood by him last year when the hgh stuff was gion on pettite just needs o wait the yanks will turn to him after CC is signed
Lets see if Cashman’s negotiating skills go to work because i think this is the last straw for the Yankees to get him. And this meeting will hopefully push C.C. into signing. Smooth Talker cashman
What will be our special CC chant for the new stadium?
Maybe CC can play first base and hit between starts. 1B solved!
Matt
I hope so. I want this off season to get rolling. I’m tired of hitting refresh every 10 seconds lol.
This thing is done. The Angels have no interest. The Giants have lukewarm interest, but they won’t go anywhere near $140 million. The Dodgers are too interested in Marry Ramirez. The Brewers are offering $40 million less and are not that much closer to Cali to make a difference.
CC is a Yankee folks, and anyone who isn’t thrilled about this is absolutely out of their mind. This is probably the best FA SP to hit the market since Mike Mussina.
if CC is signed, i look forward to the day he goes on the Mike Francesa show.
I will call in, with the Dec 9th audio clips
DUH-
You’re right. I didn’t catch that. I just saw ERA stat… Still, he did lose to KC twice in may, giving up 8 runs in 14 IP. He was 3-8 in his first 13 starts (from MAR. 31 to JUN 10). So, in essence… he was pretty bad the first two months. You see, we both can “make things up” no can’t we?
BUT, you are correct that I was wrong about his MAY era.
Still, I do not want this to be a bash CC thing. I will welcome CC… I like the guy. I was forced to point out his one flaw b/c I personally would go in another direction.
Nothing better then having Pete’s blog, Heyman’s blog, Rosenthal’s blog, mlbtraderumors.com open in one browser, and having a final for school tomorrow. I might not sleep tonight, love it.
I just got a bad vision of Michael Kay going all ga-ga doing CC’s first post press conference interview.
Yikes!
rodg12 -
NOPE. I trust you though. Just sum it up. I hope we can sign 3. I think the Yanks like AJ, but if they get CC they might opt for Sheets b/c he’ll come w/ less risk PLUS they can still sign Manny.
Sabathia Wang Sheets Hughes Joba
All under thirty
When’s the last time the Yankees had a rotation all under thirty?
Mel,
Trade for peavy said it in one of his posts and i read it from someone else too but i couldnt find it when i scrolled back up. Very strange unless they were kidding i guess.
Matt,
Hpw exactly do you know that i will be the first to boo CC and bash cashman? Because you know me so well? I have never bood a yankee player in my whole life. In fact, occasionally, I tell people around me to stop when i hear them booing arod. I think its absolutely ridiculous for fans to boo their own players – who are they helping by doing that? And I dont bash cash for free agent signings that I wholeheartedly support. if Im indifferent or i hate the signing I will say it later on when it doesnt work out. But if he signs CC and he doesnt work out which I cant imagine, I will not said a word about cashman relating to signing CC. I dunno how you think you know me – but you clearly dont.
And yes, it will be different when CC pitches in the postseason in NY because he wont have 250 innings on his arm already for that season – even if a player if a workhorse for their career doesnt mean they dont get tired by the postseason when being worked like a dog all year but the yanks have a solid bullpen and dont force pitchers to go complete games constantly – they take care of their investments or try to. And he has a lot of innings on his belt but he is young. Finally, AJ and Sheets are not CC because they are really big injury risks – substituting those 2 for CC is not a good idea even though they cost about the same. And we could certainly afford to get pettitte and Sheets after signing CC and make a trade to improve the offense in center or at first. We could even sign someone like Dunn. There are no rules about how many good free agents you can sign as long as you dont mind ponying up the money and giving up draft picks.
Heyman is finally reporting the Cashman CC meeting. He is saying that Cash spent a good part of the day talking to CC’s agent. Also agents of Lowe and Burnett.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
This whole CC drama reminds me of the Mussina melodrama 8 years ago…..Cashman has been down this road before….Does look better than a few hours ago…..
“All under thirty When’s the last time the Yankees had a rotation all under thirty?”
now i definitely want Sheets.
“Cashman flew to San Francisco on Tuesday afternoon to meet with Sabathia and his wife at the pitcher’s request.”
Is this how it will always be like? When CC says jump, Cashman says how high?
AROD fan….
The chant for CC for the new stadium will be as follows “Carsten Charles”, to the tune of the bleacher creatures “Derek Jeter” chant
matthew frag,
Here’s a snippet from MLBTradeRumors I found….
“Talking to a few people in the game, it seems that the Type A/B free agent quota depends on the number of Type A/Bs who file. If 62 or fewer such players file (which is possible) then each team will have a quota of three Type A or B signings. Regardless of that, teams are allowed to sign as many Type A/Bs as they lose. As far as I can tell, the quota has never been an issue in the past.”
In 2009, CC will be going for this third consecutive Warren Spahn Award for the best lefty in baseball.
This would make tomorrow a much better day. CC and CMW would be as good a 1-2 punch as there is in baseball. Then if Joba becomes a nasty starter, look out. If they sign Lowe or Sheets you have to think about putting Joba in the pen. Great rotation + lockdown pen = good.
I’m picturing Cash tonight getting off the elevator on his floor, walking down the hall to his room and finding the entire NY media corp sitting on the floor outside his door waiting for him.
“vinny-b (sign big CC and Sheets at 2 yrs) December 9th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
if CC is signed, i look forward to the day he goes on the Mike Francesa show.
I will call in, with the Dec 9th audio clips”
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LMAO
I wonder if Francesa will like CC again tomorrow?
Guys:
Would it be too much to ask you to have a little class? I just had to delete three comments with crude sexual phrases, etc. All sorts of people on the blog from all walks of life. Don’t act like a jerk.
The media creates a false narrative all the time about these players to create drama. One of them lies and the others start swearing to it. CC waited because he thought he would get at least 175. In his shoes every Yankee fan here would all wait to see if a bidding war would start. It doesn’t make him the bad guy. I think he was shocked to see K rod sign for 37 after the conventional wisdom was he’d get about 75 million. As far as the Media I don’t mean Pete he never engaged in any of the bunk.
I believe Heyman is nuts.
no way does NYY sign Sabathia, Burnett, and Lowe. Not when the largest commodity in our minor league affiliates is pitching.
if NYY signs CC, hopefully they shift their attention away from Burnett/Lowe, and focus on Ben Sheets who will take a lesser contract, but provide the largest ceiling of the 3.
Wow…this looks good but I’ll believe it when its a lock.
Is there a way to delete all comments that suggest that Joba go back to the bullpen?
Looks like things are closer to be done than we thought it would. thx for the updates Peter.
Peter, you have to realize that calling the people out or recognizing them will only make it worse. Anyone with any sanity knows better to not post stuff that’s inappropriate for a family audience in public.Those who don’t are ignorant already. But, by calling out to them or recognizing them. You did what they wanted, to be recognized. Just delete and ignore and get better filters
Excellent news. Thanks Peter for your hard work during these meetings. Definitely appreciated.
“Then if Joba becomes a nasty starter, look out. If they sign Lowe or Sheets you have to think about putting Joba in the pen. ”
Whoa, what? They shouldn’t think about putting Joba in the pen unless he gets seriously hurt every year as a starter for the next few years.
Joba > Lowe and Sheets
You don’t put an arm like Joba’s in the pen, that would be lunacy.
“I wonder if Francesa will like CC again tomorrow?”
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In Francesa’s world, he probably thinks that his tirade is what made CC reconsider…
Dave-
Oh, I see… You’re one of those guys. You can throw out a comment like, “I hate people like you… blah, blah, blah, ” then you get all girly when someone makes a blanket generaliztion/assumption about you, based on reading ONE BLURB in a blog?
You ask me how I know you… I offer the same question to you? I would venture to guess that a person who would claim to HATE a poster based on reading a few sentenesç well, that person is probably the same type of person who would boo one of his own players.
Let me revisit your own words:
Matt Frag – I hate people like you that use his 5 total playoff appearances (in 3 total trips) to bash CC as not a great signing.
Is it my fault you displayed some poor reading comprehension this evening. I cited a REASON why I would prefer to go in another direction, I mentioned something that should be a red flag to all that CC might not be bringing 4 WS rings to this city in the next five years.
As you see… you do not like people making judegements about you and your character… SO, treat other as you wish to be treated! AND, if youºre going to call people names, at least understand what they are posting.
NOW, to all and everyoneÇ If Yanks do get CC… Thatºs good news, but there is still work to be done.
Sabathia Wang Sheets Hughes Joba
Mo Marte Coke Robertson Melancon Bruney Aceves
On the outside looking in: Edwar Vares Dunn Del la Rosa Sanchez Claggett
Nice pitching staff and additional options.
Mad Prince, I’m fairly certain that the deciding factor was your passionate defense of CC’s waistline. No brat-munching Brewers fan would have done that.
Where has Hank been?? Someone in the media needs to call him. I am sure he will tell us what is going on.
My guess as to the Yankees plan:
1)CC
2)Burnett OR Lowe
3)Pettitte or Sheets
If Pettitte won’t take $10-12 million, try and get Sheets at 2 years / $26 million
“I wonder if Francesa will like CC again tomorrow?”——In Francesa’s world, he probably thinks that his tirade is what made CC reconsider…”
you’re probably right.
In Francesa’s world, he probably thinks that his tirade is what made CC reconsider…
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You know what, you are probably right! Francesa will probably think that it’s all due to his ranting. Yuck!
Wait a minute what happened to the he doesn’t want to be here crew ? All I know is we have some of the best fans w/ some of the worst. I hope Cash gets this done but it’s clear like I said, like SJ and a few others this is a life decision, that’s why it’s taking so long, Amber and his son are a huge part of his decision, when he asks about school system it means something he’s trying to figure out where he and his family will rest thier head.
Keep falling in love w/ Mike Fatcessa’s rants I swear that guy is a tool and it’s a shame that he represents Yankees fans and controls what most of them think.
If the Yanks can sign CC and Sheets, that gives you essentially two aces, one of which is an innings eater. With Wang, hopefully Pettitte, and Joba filling out the rotation. Hughes, Kennedy, and Aceves provide ample depth and back up.
This would leave no pressing need for AJ or Lowe. Since Sheets comes as a relative bargain, that leaves enough $$ to bid on Tex.
Now that’s a plan!
I really think Derek Lowe is overrated. I would much rather risk it with Burnett or Sheets.
Brandon, the holdup was that Cash had to convince CC not to pitch for the DR in the WBC.
I was just going to say that about Francesa. He will come on tomorrow and say I told Cashman to give him 24 hours take it or leave, and thats what he did. It was a joke before when he was just yelling at Sweeny about nothing happening at the meetings.
“Is there a way to delete all comments that suggest that Joba go back to the bullpen?’
hahahahaha..I second that. This is a required feature.
Tex isn’t coming here. Why won’t people realize that? There is already atleast four other teams that want his services.
someone servers up a grapefruit to Tom K and he hits one about 550 feet
“…likely includes Amber Sabathia.”
Wonder if Amber is demanding a 7th year and bonus signing.
“Brandon, the holdup was that Cash had to convince CC not to pitch for the DR in the WBC.”
Thanks Nick I needed that
ON I WANNA BE HYPE BUT ITS BEEN SO LONG I DUNNO WHAT TO THINK …. IS THIS TRUE OR FALSE ..I AM TRYING TO CALM DOWN AND SEEK THROUGH THE FACTSS ..HOPFULLY THIS COMES TO THE LIGHT
ROTATION
CC
WANG
SHEETS
GARLAND OR MR HGH HIM SELFFF
JOBA AND 0 WINN GUY PHILL H WORK TOGETHER TO GET 200 INNINGS
“If the Yanks can sign CC and Sheets, that gives you essentially two aces…”
It also gives us 2/5ths of what was the Brewers rotation in 08.
“If the Yanks can sign CC and Sheets, that gives you essentially two aces, one of which is an innings eater. With Wang, hopefully Pettitte, and Joba filling out the rotation. Hughes, Kennedy, and Aceves provide ample depth and back up.
This would leave no pressing need for AJ or Lowe. Since Sheets comes as a relative bargain, that leaves enough $$ to bid on Tex”
exactly. Except for the Tex plan. If we have the above rotation (and bullpen) the offesne will be fine. Including, Brett Gardner in CF.
Don’t underestimate the power of my love note to CC yesterday.
He had me paraphrasing Meatloaf for chrissake!
Wait a minute what happened to the he doesn’t want to be here crew ?
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Right now they have become the “Welcome to the NY Yankees CC. We always loved you” crew.
But give it time, they might change their minds again and tell him to “get lost”.
“I was just going to say that about Francesa. He will come on tomorrow and say I told Cashman to give him 24 hours take it or leave, and thats what he did. It was a joke before when he was just yelling at Sweeny about nothing happening at the meetings.”
He was a fickle baby w/ his babettes
Brandon,
those crew jumped on the bandwagon.
rodg12
Thanks for clearing that up. SO, Yanks can sign 3! Nice.
Still, with CC signing… I doubt they can afford TEX. SO, sign Sheets or AJ. The good thing about AJ is he is Al East tested, but the good part about Sheets is he is cheap.
If Yanks sign CC and Sheets… well, maybe Manny accepts a 3 year deal to come win in NY_
CC for 6 years, 140 million… 23 plus per year
Sheets for 3 years, 33 million… 11 per year
Manny for 3 years, 75 million… 25 per year
Even this would be crazy. I cannot see Yanks affording much more. This would be the max, even if this is possible. SO, Yanks can sign 3 type A free agents, but I doubt they can afford it.
10:57pm: Heyman says the Yankees’ topped the Braves offer for Burnett by a few million dollars. He says the Yanks apparently will attempt to sign all three top free agent starters – C.C. Sabathia, Derek Lowe, and Burnett.
Josh,
I’m actually quite happy with Swisher at 1st base. However, I don’t think it’s wise to let Tex go to Boston. Mark my words, he will not end up with the Angels. Tex will be in Boston if the Yankees don’t block.
If they do get CC, it’s going to be interesting to see how they fill in two more rotation slots.
CC/Wang/?/?/Joba…with Hughes lurking as a #6 and Aceves perhaps in a Mendoza-type role.
Personally, I like the idea of adding Sheets to the mix – probably won’t require the years of Burnett/Lowe. And with a true #1 at the time of the rotation, it allows you to take the high-risk/high-reward guy who won’t require the years. If Sheets does get hurt at some point, you hope that Hughes is 100% ready to jump in.
You could then fill in #4 with Pettitte, if they choose.
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I do think the Yankees are very intrigued by Lowe’s durability, though – I am not a fan, but one thing he is is durable.
Oooh, looks like some good news.
I could use some of that…
“It also gives us 2/5ths of what was the Brewers rotation in 08″
yet they didn’t have Wang, Joba, Pettite. And still made the playoffs.
Wha—? How about CC, AJ, and stop there. No Lowe!
Matt,
I like how you said in an above post that there was a rule the yanks couldnt sign two type A free agents and then, about two posts later, you went on to talk about the yanks signing Tex after they sign CC. And April and May is not exactly under pressure from his walk year – I think when the brewers were in the playoff race and sabathia pitched to a 2.77 era that would be under pressure. You cant base your opinion about a player under pressure from four playoff games in which he had pitched 241 and 253 innings the seasons prior to them.
Woe is Peter Gammons.
He makes up a phantom offer to CC from the Angels that Arte Moreno shoots down completely hours later and now has to deal with the fact that the hated Yankees might actually land their top target.
Be prepared if CC signs that it will be “bad for the game”, “that CC hates NY but the money was the overriding factor”, that “the big bad Yankees scared the rest of baseball away with their checkbook” and that “the dreaded players union pressured the poor unwitting CC to sign the Yankee contract at gunpoint”.
Gammons will wax earnestly about while this move looks good on paper, there are sources w/in the Red Sox front office celebrating this signing that know that CC is sure to break down upon the next pitch he throws, that he’s too fat to pitch and that he’s a poor clubhouse presence.
God forbid the Yankees pick up AJ, Sheets, Lowe, Tex or Manny and Gammons will pull a Howard Beale from NETWORK moment live on the set of Baseball Tonight.
“Mad Prince, I’m fairly certain that the deciding factor was your passionate defense of CC’s waistline. No brat-munching Brewers fan would have done that.”
Ya see man, now he knows that NY has some considerate, morally savvy young fellers rootin for em
“10:57pm: Heyman says the Yankees’ topped the Braves offer for Burnett by a few million dollars. He says the Yanks apparently will attempt to sign all three top free agent starters – C.C. Sabathia, Derek Lowe, and Burnett”
i call bullsh*t
Or CC, Sheets, and stop there. No Lowe!
I’d rather sign Sheets than Lowe, he isn’t longterm and would be essentially the better inning for inning SP.
G Love,
Wow…you really did capture what I am sure we’ll hear if CC signs with us.
Incredible foresight my friend.
The ESPN crawl still says Giants have a meeting with CC planned.
If were going to sign 3 then it has to be Sheets instead of Lowe
If the Braves offer Burnett the 5th year then the Yanks should back out along with Lowe. Sign Sheets then resign Pettitte.
Brandon,
Lowe vs. Sheets makes an interesting argument
With Lowe you have guaranteed 200 innings, playoff experience, but a potentially higher ERA, age, longer contract, and scumbagginess.
With Sheets you have electric stuff, low ERA, a solid clubhouse contribution, shorter contract, but highly suspect injury history.
matt frag,
Can you copy and paste the exact comment rather than restating it because i think you are making things up again. I never said that – maybe you are speaking about another dave in this blog. I never wrote that.
DAVE
I said the Yanks could only sign two type A free agents, not three. Another poster said they yanks could sign 3, so I said I was wrong. BUT, the issue was 3 not 2.
Anyway… again… as I said already in a few posts, i do not want to be forced to bash CC… What not to like about him… I just think he will struggle in a BIG game in Fenway… I worry about that. SO, for 120 million I would sign AJ, SHEETS and PETTITTE. That is all.
I have no doubt that CC has pitched well under pressure and has been great ebing the manç I just also know he got hit hard in the post season, against BOS, who is our main rival.
12 runs in 10 innings against BOS and then allowed 5 runs in 3.2 inning against Philly.
If you ask em right now… If I had ONE game to win, in Fenway, against Beckett or Lester… do I want AJ or CC… I am taking AJ.
SO, if I can have AJ and Sheets and save money, I would go that direction.
I agree… Arod gets a bad rep. He carried us in 2004… Angels wouldnçt pitch to him in 2005, and had a bad year in 2006, and gets a bad rap.
YES, CC was tired the last 2 seasons, his teams do not make it to OCT w-out him, and I will love having him on my team, and think he is a great guy.
I only brought up the negative to poitn out why I would prefer AJ and Sheets.
GO YANKS. THANKS PETER. Good night all!
I know those are all relative generalizations, but you get the idea.
i knew that meeting the other night was gonna turn the tide. you cant leave $140M sitting unclaimed on the table very long. thinking about that dream job with the dodgers was nice and all, but the yankees put a stack of cash as big as the empire state building on the table for him and it changed the whole dynamic.
it was funny watching everybody panic, and im sure it’ll go on for several more days, but how stupid will mike francessa look after today’s rant.
well played cash money!
“If the Braves offer Burnett the 5th year then the Yanks should back out along with Lowe. Sign Sheets then resign Pettitte”
100%
I am not sure this was reported here, but the Yankees are looking at Sheets medical records
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....BHeadlines
Brandon,
I seriously hope either Boston or Philly steal Lowe away from the Yanks. Lowe also made it clear that he wants to return to Boston.
DAVE
It was a poster named DAN, not Dave. I apologize for that. My bad. All these rumors and this waiting has me edgy… I got the two of you mixed up… Once agains… I is sorry.
Sheets Yes…..Lowe no….
Mad Prince,
I know Gammons schtick by heart by now.
You’ll also hear how CC is certain not to fit in with the corporate Yankees 25 player 25 limos clubhouse and that the Yankees surrendering their #1 draft pick after the Cole mess further sets back a Yankee farm system that is woefully behind the Boston farm system.
Then if Tex signs in Boston he’ll wax poetic about how Boston losing their #1 draft pick for signing Tex is meaningless since Theo could draft a girl softball player and develop her into a top of the rotation ace.
And if Boston signs Tex to a record contract, it won’t be bad for the game, Boston will have done it to keep up with the dreaded Yankees, Tex will have already started visiting firehouses and Boston area hospitals upon signing and he’ll be the best clubhouse presence Boston has ever had since the days of Trot Nixon.
Y’s Guy,
Let it happen my friend. I love your optimism, but nothing is engraved it.
Let’s all reign in our expectations.
What if Amber Sabathia was like “look cash money, or whatever heck they call you, i like the $$$, but I love Cali. My baby loves Cali, and my baby’s babies love cali. you throw 20 million more on that table and i promise you my baby’s babies and their babies for generations to come will be dooowwwwwwwnnn with NY.”
Burnett/Lowe were the contingency plan, if CC *didn’t* sign with NYY.
Sheets is the contingency plan, if CC *does* sign with NYY.
(at least i hope)
By the way, if we find out that CC made Cashman fly to San Francisco so that CC could turn down the Yanks in person, I will laugh long and hard. In between the tears.
Matt Frag
I did the work for you:
Dan
December 9th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Matt Frag – I hate people like you that use his 5 total playoff appearances (in 3 total trips) to bash CC as not a great signing. Fact of the matter is that yes he was bad the past 2 years… But come on… 2 bad postseasons are not the be all and end all…
Go talk to Dan about it. Clearly, he is the one you have a problem with. And try getting your facts right before posting – take the minute to scroll up the blog and see who wrote the comment you are referring to before pointing a finger.
I just saw your post after i posted that. iTS ALRIGHT – we are all a little on edge.
Stop taking so long Yanks, just, what is it 2 – 3 yrs. I rather do that then risk insurance for 6 yrs. on Lowe that’s to big a window to deal w/ a SP who struggled in the AL. Sheets upside is too good to pass up sign this guy then cross your fingers for CC and his family.
Gotta say you guys have me rolling……This is going to get done tonight, I can feel it!!!
IF CASH$ gets his ace lefty… He is vindicated for not dealing for Santana. I still feel as though Johan was more likely headed toward BOS, and if we pushed Minny would have pressed BOS… They liked Ellsbury & Lester better anyway.
Still, whatever might have been or never was… If we get our ace, and keep Hughes… Good job Cash!
Hughes will be a solid pitcher. An ace? Maybe not… A solid #3 at the least, you bet!
than*
Sigh….the suspense is awful. Are we going to hear anything else tonight?
Cool Dave. Once again… my bad for being snippy. We’re all yankee fans here and want one thing: Another PARADE down the Canyon of Heroes!
Nick in SF
December 10th, 2008 at 12:18 am
By the way, if we find out that CC made Cashman fly to San Francisco so that CC could turn down the Yanks in person, I will laugh long and hard. In between the tears.
Good luck Nick, isnt it past your bed time….school tomorrow??
“Then if Tex signs in Boston he’ll wax poetic about how Boston losing their #1 draft pick for signing Tex is meaningless since Theo could draft a girl softball player and develop her into a top of the rotation ace.
And if Boston signs Tex to a record contract, it won’t be bad for the game, Boston will have done it to keep up with the dreaded Yankees, Tex will have already started visiting firehouses and Boston area hospitals upon signing and he’ll be the best clubhouse presence Boston has ever had since the days of Trot Nixon”
LoL, G. (and your earlier post). Gammons labeling CC a “bad clubhouse presence”
G. Love,
Seriously…brilliant!!!
This brings to mind that day when A-Rod was supposed to go to Boston. I remember Gammons’s ugly grill with a smile from ear to ear discussing how Fenway will be perfect for A-Rod with the Green Monster, yada yada yada. Seriously, he was beeming.
And then, that fell apart and the Yankees wound up with him. I remember it clearly…my friend texted me the news as I drove to Monterey. I turn on Sportscenter when we get there Gammons is all non-chalant, no smile, no nothing.
He was once great, but his Boston bias has really tarnished his reputation as a “Man of Baseball” in general. No problem with him liking the Sox, that’s fine, but go back to the Boston Globe.
hey, im not the one who was in panic mode. and im not counting my chickens before they hatch. im just saying that cash has played this as well as can be played. that doesnt mean cc is going to sign, it just means that cash’s approach has been solid and gave the yanks the best chance to sign him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Ts4M3irWM
“IF CASH$ gets his ace lefty… He is vindicated for not dealing for Santana. I still feel as though Johan was more likely headed toward BOS, and if we pushed Minny would have pressed BOS… They liked Ellsbury & Lester better anyway”
solid point. When critics dis Cashman, they overlook this detail.
If CC signs, that should be enough as to the new free agents. It would be a mistake to then add AJ,DL or BS given the arms in the farm system. Sign Andy for one year and keep some dry powder to fill the obvious position shortage which caused the inconsistency in performance last season.
There are some interesting comments on the Milwaukee blogs regarding Sheets and whether he has the fortitude to deal with New York. Some felt he couldn’t handle the “Milwaukee pressure”. Caveat Emptor”
folsom prison blues? nice!
Thanks for the laugh, Any one See C.C [sic].
things do change quickly if in fact cc is ready to commit. it puts it on sheets and burnett, first guy gets the bucks, other guy can take a hike.
Wow, I actually just kinda shuttered when I thought of a lineup of Manny, Ortiz, and A-Rod had he gone to Boston. Well, they got two rings anyways, so I guess it couldn’t have been THAT much worse.
Matt,
Your right – AJ has a much better track record against the sox. i thought you made an interesting point about CC blowing up against boston so i looked up the regular season stats for his career: 3.91 era in 48 innings with 51 hits, 35 strike outs and 8 walks. Thats below his career numbers obviously but the crucial point about this is the 59 base runners in 48 innings. Thats pretty good for a team that has had a pretty stacked lineup with ortiz and manny most of CC’s career.
And yes, in AJ’s career he has done far better against boston. But boston is the type of team who signs a pitcher who has a good track record against NY not the other way around. NY tries to sign pitchers who just have good track records. AJ is far inferior to CC when looking at the career numbers. And far, far inferior to him when looking at the injury risk. Thats why he worth so much more. And really CC is only going to cost us around 6 or 7 million more each season – that isnt much in the grand scheme of things. And he will make up for it in quality starts while AJ will be on the dl for much of his next contract i have a feeling.
Thanks for the reports Peter.
Mike Francessa should read this:
**The Pirates have initiated extension talks with Nate McLouth, Ryan Doumit, and Paul Maholm.**
that should shut him up.
Nick,
Are you a student in SF?
even if CC is actually signing, let’s not declare ‘Mission Accomplished’ for Cashman.
he still needs to resign Pettitte, and sign someone else of significance – at minimum -for the 2009 team to be moving forward instead of backwards.
River ave blues is reporting we are going all in for AJ and Lowe while being close to signing sheets. Its amazing how much cashman can do at the same time. Not only is he talking to CC’s wife convincing her to come to NY but at the same time he is on a 3 way phone call with Sheets and Lowe or the agents working out a deal while texting AJ at the same time. He must be superman.
“Mike Francessa should read this:
The Pirates have initiated extension talks with Nate McLouth, Ryan Doumit, and Paul Maholm.
that should shut him up”
lol, Ed.
I wonder what Arroyo’s status is
The problem Arial is that CC/Wang/Joba/Pettitte still leaves a hole. Hughes should be in AAA to start the season, we don’t know what we have in Kennedy at all…Aceves might work but last year could be a fluke. Then one injury and the whole thing comes tumbling down again even with CC.
I’m fine with Pettitte but I’d like to sign one out of Burnett/Sheets/Lowe for the other spot. Or Lowe plus either Burnett/Sheets. I’d be reluctant to sign both Sheets and Burnett…might be pushing your luck with the injury history of both.
Mad Prince,
One could argue that with A-rod, they’d have zero rings. Just kidding!
dave,
What percentage of AJ’s contract do you think he’ll be on the DL? I want to weigh out the risk/reward.
Now I lay me down to rest
I pray that Cashman gets his left(y)
If CC doesn’t sign before I wake
I pray the parameters of a deal are in place
I imagine that once CC signs the back of the sports pages will have CC dressed up in a Santa Claus suit with Hal, Hank, and Cash waiting around the Christmas tree for him to deliver them presents. In a cartoon of course!
Dave,
I still believe Boston, despite their silence, will pursue and ultimately land AJ Burnett. They’re pitching staff is going to be spectacular with AJ as their 4th starter:
Matsuzaka
Beckett
Lester
Burnett
Masters/Buccholz
And Teixeira will be an Angel.
Manny, a Yankee.
vinny,
Arroyo can just stay in Cincy until some team will be deseparate enough to trade for him. lol
“By the way, if we find out that CC made Cashman fly to San Francisco so that CC could turn down the Yanks in person, I will laugh long and hard. In between the tears.”
That would be real bad. I would hop back up on my ledge
Mad Prince: I haven’t been a student anywhere for some time. I do spend many football Saturdays in Berkeley, though. I think the previous commenter was confused.
Nolan Ryan cracked a joke that Buchholz would look great in a Rangers uni because he’s from Texas.
Isn’t there a bench warrant still out on Clay?
“Now I lay me down to rest
I pray that Cashman gets his left(y)
If CC doesn’t sign before I wake
I pray the parameters of a deal are in place”
mel,
Wow, I was seriously just wondering where you were with all this crazy news floatin about.
We have the advantage on Pacific time…staying up later isn’t as hard on the brain!!!
Yes, another parade would make my last 8 birthday wishes come true – thats for sure. Signing CC is a good start.
Nick,
Are you a Cal man? Please don’t tell me you’re a Cal man!!!
DAVE… I do agree that CC is better against every other team in MLB, and is also more durable-reliable than AJ. Cannot debate that.
As for all the Peter Gammons remarks: too funny.
I remember when PG predicted Bobby Crobsy would win AL MVP award.
PG will also say how CC is not a boston killer. That BOS sought a PROVEN WS champ, and Yankee killer in Beckett. he’ll mention that, and then talk about how great TEX is- despite having one rbi in the ALDS.
Go Bears!
Mad Prince,
Just watched a disgusting NBA game. And no, I don’t want to talk about it.
Bret -
AJ going to boston would be a blessing in disguise. Only 2 injury free seasons just happen to be burnetts walk year. And with a five year deal, he wont have many walk years left so he wont have many if any 200 seasons left. Burnett could very well be the worst signing this off season – the julio lugo, carl pavano and barry zito of 2008. Im just saying this guy is a disaster waiting to happen so let it be to boston.
giggdy
great work Pete
“Just watched a disgusting NBA game. And no, I don’t want to talk about it”
Mel: Lakers lost?
Nick, you’re breaking my heart!!!
I’m an Oregon Duck and your boys have eaten us alive the past few years…can’t figure it out, though 2007 we beat ourselves with that dumpy fumble in the end zone.
Jahvid Best is a stud.
My friend and I watched Cal whoop up Oregon this year in the pouring rain in Berkeley…that game sucked for us. But a Gordo burrito afterwards eased the suffering.
mel,
I watched it too. Lakeshow looked terrible tonight and the Kings played out of their freaking minds!
mel,
if its any consolation, the Blazers lost by 1 to the Magic.
Can’t win if you’re a three point shooting team that goes 5 for 19 from behind the arc.
vinny-b,
Yes. They lost at ARCO Arena. But they’re perfect on the second half of back to backs, so I expect the Suns to feel the brunt of tonight’s loss.
Wow a lot has happened in the last few hours.
I wonder if there will be any more news tonight? Its not even 10 PM PST. It could all be done by the morning.
Just saw those highlights Mad Prince. Crazy 3 by Hedo to win that game. 5 feet behind the arc with a bank? Unreal.
Heyman says we topped the braves 4 year offer with some sort of option by a few million – i think their offer was 4 years and 60 million or somewhere around there. Hopefully we didnt top the years.
I’ve seen lots of great Cal-Oregon games in recent years. I missed this most recent one (the only home game I missed this season) due to a trip I had to take, but that was a great game.
And the fumble into the end zone last year didn’t only prevented a tie, Cal would still have won in OT
Best just romped for 311 vs. the hapless Huskies, that was a lot of fun to see, they owned us for decades.
“Yes. They lost at ARCO Arena. But they’re perfect on the second half of back to backs, so I expect the Suns to feel the brunt of tonight’s loss”
how you knew, i liked the Suns?
anyway, did enjoy the past years of finally having a leg up on the Lakers. While it lasted
I dont buy the “AJ is only healthy in walk years” thing. I think that’s just a coincidence. I mean, what, are you saying he throws out his arm on purpose when it’s not a walk year? Not to say he wouldn’t get hurt but it’s a little much to say “If he signs a 5 year contract he’ll be injured the first 4 then throw 200 innings the 5th”. I think if he gets hurt, he gets hurt, if he doesn’t, he doesn’t. Simple as that. Just happens to have worked out that way in the past.
Don’t sweat it, mel, the Kings are a great team.
I’ve been away from a computer for a large part of the day/evening, and I couldn’t possibly have come back to better news than this! woohooooo! Gitterdun Cash!
I hope (and am starting to optimistically believe) that we were all overreacting when we thought he didnt want to be a Yankee. After all he didn’t meet with the Brewers till yesterday either..does that mean he also specifically doesn’t want to be a Brewer? Only difference is he sent his agent to meet with MIL and he didn’t meet with them 3x and didnt include his wife. So at the very least obviously he likes us better than them!
also, now it looks like all those rumors from Andrew Dinglebaggarly earlier this afternoon were just reactionary hysteria and/or sour grapes because he knows CC is close to signing with NY maybe?
As frustrated as some of us have been with the holdup the past week or 2, not a single soul here is gonna be mad about CC putting on the pinstripes. Hope it happens and soon!!!
“Yes. They lost at ARCO Arena. But they’re perfect on the second half of back to backs, so I expect the Suns to feel the brunt of tonight’s loss.”
It’s not easy to play in Arco mel
and havent watched nba highlights or seen scores from today but jebus, not only do the Blazers destroy my Heat twice but they cant even help us out by taking care of Orlando now? I know whose not going on my Christmas list this year!
Wooooooooohhhhhhhhoooooooooooo. Come on CC, just do it.
I am also really interested in signing Sheets now. I was weary at first, but now I am a convert. I think it would be a great signing. Huge upside, but a lot less risk than with Burnett.
vinny-b,
lol. That’s right. I forgot. No disrespect meant. I know someone who had VIP passes for the Saturday game. They got to go in the VIP lounge and their seats are where the players come out by the tunnel. They got to pose with the players before the game. Shaq’s really big. Nash looks so unbasketballlike, but all the girls were going crazy over him. I wanted to puke when she was telling me the story. She doesn’t know how low the Suns are to me. So I played nice.
is Manny being ‘black-balled’ ?
beginning to wonder, when an ideal team like Toronto shows zero interest.
Dave,
“Only 2 injury free seasons just happen to be burnetts walk year.”
Could be a coincidence. I read AJ has pitched in 131 of last 150 starts.
And remember we’re talking about him being Boston’s 4th starter. Imagine a 4th starter who, motivated by former teammate Josh Beckett, throws 230 innings again in 2009. I’m not so sure it would be a blessing to watch Boston’s 4th starter throw 230 innings. They’re bullpen is also deeper now with Ramon Ramirez.
Papelbon
Okajima
Ramirez
Del Carmen
Aardsma
Masterson/Buchholz
hey dont make fun of the purple and gold they better destroy the suns tomorrow if not i will be more pissed and last but not least i think cash should for jackpot and also try to acquire peavy
Nick-
Sfgate is running a CC story on the front page, what a joke.
What is this business on ESPN’s ticker that CC is meeting with the Giants? What happened to Sabean’s “he is down on our list” was that a smoke-screen.
Im just saying that in his walk years Burnett pitches through pain and in his non-walk years, he sits out for injuries for long periods of time and then, as his formed manager said he sits out with pain. When toronto says AJ needs to learn the difference between pain and injury Im going to say that he does pitch his heart out every year. Maybe it is a coincidence, who knows? All I know is that 10 trips to the dl in 9 seasons before last is not a very good sign when he is looking for a five year contract.
He is a great pitcher though and when healthy, had pretty much dominated the AL east. Whoever gives him that fifth year will get him be it the Yanks, Sox, Braves or some other team of the ten teams that are supposedly interested. I think at this point, the jays are out and its between the 3 above. The first team to give him five will probably sign him the next day.
I’m sorry, Knick. What was that?
Brandon, the Lakers have always had trouble playing in cowtown (no offense Mad Prince!).
Didn’t watch the whole game, but early foul trouble for Bynum=clear path for the guards.
kylelitke – If we’re going by what Burnett’s own GM has said or insinuated, it’s not that he purposely blows out his arm in walk years, it’s that he doesn’t pitch through minor pain and goes on the DL at the drop of a hat instead. the only times he has managed to achieve the solid IP totals (200+) which would probably require pitching in some discomfort at some times, have both been in walk years.
coincidence?
I hope each passing day is one that moves the Yankees farther from Burnett and closer to sheets.
“I know someone who had VIP passes for the Saturday game. They got to go in the VIP lounge and their seats are where the players come out by the tunnel. They got to pose with the players before the game. Shaq’s really big. Nash looks so unbasketballlike, but all the girls were going crazy over him. I wanted to puke when she was telling me the story. She doesn’t know how low the Suns are to me. So I played nice”
lol. And tru on Nash. He looked like a skater, before he cut his hair a while back
“If the Yanks can sign CC and Sheets, that gives you essentially two aces…”
It also gives us 2/5ths of what was the Brewers rotation in 08.”
Brewers = NYY AAAA farm team. Who else can we bring up?
Seriously, are Sheets and CC friends? Could the NYY move on Sheets be part of a broader plan to convince CC to sign on?
Bret,
Then, you will be happy to hear the rumor is we currently have the highest offer on the table. I havent even heard that the redsox actually gave him an offer. I think they just said they are interested.
lol at the SF media. they’re so…desperate.
“I hope each passing day is one that moves the Yankees farther from Burnett and closer to sheets”
and hopefully further away from Lowe, too
they just dont play consistent defense they have a lot of slackers
Al, Brandon -
tomorrow the rival will renew!! however, I will be at the game tommorrow so I won’t be able to make remarks with you guys. lol
soo…bring it!!!
and ugh @ girls going crazy over Nash. he is beyond vile!
i’m still weary of the fact that CC has that giant offer on the table and hasn’t accepted it. he’s not going to get more money. certainly not from the San Francisco Zitos. Maybe he will “settle for” the yankees.
“Seriously, are Sheets and CC friends? Could the NYY move on Sheets be part of a broader plan to convince CC to sign on?”
I wondered this as well. On the outside looking in, have to wonder if CC thinks he’s soft…
opt out clause for cc in his contract
dave,
The Sox are playing it cool. As soon as CC signs, they’ll be all-in on AJ Burnett. No team worries about injury risks to their 4th starter. It’s a low risk, high upside move that makes to much sense. Burnett owned the Yanks and Rays and the Sox are one or two pieces away from being a very dominant team.
I want Sheets. Trust me. I hope the Yankees get him. But I don’t think we should downplay Burnett on the Sox. It’s a very serious move for them.
Buddy: I think Ray Ratto put his column to bed a little too early.
mel: yeah, I’ve seen the Knicks lose in Arco too. Brutal, brutal arena. The cowbells! Nobody can win there. Nobody.
… and if i have to hear one more mets fan say “maybe the yanks don’t mean what they used to…” i don’t see starting pitchers running over there to get offers. If someone doesn’t want to play for the yanks, they probably don’t like NYC and don’t want to play for the mets either. It’s just as much an insult on your team and your city as it is on the yankees.
lol, Nick. Even the Kings have a hard time winning there. Brutal. Just Brutal.
And worse, they lost to pretty boy Theus (who has an uncanny resemblance to Rick Fox)
131 of his last 150 seems extremely high. If that is the last 5 years assuming he should make 30 starts per season Aj has pitched 165, 135 and 120 innings in 2007, 2006 and 2004. And in 2003, he pitched only 23 innings. In 2000, he pitched 82 innings. Last year, was the most starts (34) he has ever made in a season after 9 full seasons in the MLB. hE made 32 in 2005. Those were his walk years. Outside of that, he has never broke 30 starts, pitching below 20 three times. Maybe its just a coincide but it is one heck of a lucky coincidence for him.
looking at NBA box’s now, no offense to any fans of either team but…
the pistons AND lakers lost tonight?!?! and both embarrassing defeats to bad teams??
you guys know that every time that happens, an angel gets their wings, right?!
also maybe a good omen for CC signing tomorrow. I heard he hates the NBA Axis of Evil too!
“Al, Brandon –
tomorrow the rival will renew!! however, I will be at the game tommorrow so I won’t be able to make remarks with you guys. lol
soo…bring it!!!”
Enjoy the game, Knicks win by 15 they are due for an offensive explosion and the Nets “D” isn’t that great. We got robbed of a victory tonight in Chicago frickin Ben Gordon that guy is a Knick killer.
dave,
dude. you need to make your own blog.
The following domain names are available:
a-sux.com
dlburnett.com
ajburnett-has-no-heart.com
**Cashman to begin final talks while CC talks to SF**
Joel Sherman has a source saying it’s possible Cashman could begin the process of finalizing a contract for Sabathia while in San Francisco.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....143414.htm
————–
this has to be sorta good news.
Dave,
Burnett on the Sox represents a potential 5 game swing in head-to-head matchups versus the Yankees and Rays.
Sox have money to spend. No way they’re not taking that risk on a fourth starter. There’s not a single 4th starter in baseball capable of impacting the outcome of a division like Burnett.
You can bet the Yankees are aware of it and I think their interest in AJ Burnett is sincere. But ultimately the Sox will swoop in and grab him.
We’ll have CC and Sheets.
I’m not complaining but the Sox are gonna get their guy.
That guy is not Mark Teixeira contrary to popular belief.
Bret,
After signing CC, we are only a couple of piece away from a dominant team as well. Once we wrap up sheets and one of Pettitte, Lowe or Burnett, we will have a ridiculous starting staff with our backups being the number one pitching prospect in baseball not too long ago in hughes and IPK who destroyed teams in the arizona league. We will probably need one signing or trade to boost the offense in center field or first base (moving swisher to the OF) and we are extremely competitive. It all starts with the signing of CC.
“I ran into Darek Braunecker, the agent for A.J. Burnett. According to Braunecker, the Yankees are quite serious about his client.
“They’ve made it known what they think of him and what their priorities are,” he said. “C.C. is their first priority, and he’s their second.”
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/
Mel,
maybe your right. The funny thing is I wouldnt mind him as our third or fourth starter, i just dont want him here over CC or Sheets. With those 2 in tow, i wouldnt mind signing AJ at all. Just as long as we dont have to rely on health for the sake of the season. Im just responding to other peoples comments downplaying his health issues.
Kurkjian has the Yankees getting involved with Tex if they miss out on CC. Ha.
Al,
we shall see tomorrow.
I don’t like how CC is still meeting with the Giants if they somehow come in with a 6 yr 120 does he leave us at the last minute?
By the way, a little late, but I believe the Yankees can sign four type A free agents, because a team is allowed to sign as many as they “lose”. However, they resigned Marte so that brings it to 3 beyond him anyway, but my understanding is thats how it works.
NO BURNETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO BURNETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO BURNETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO BURNETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO BURNETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO NO BURNETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO BURNETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO BURNETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO BURNETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BURNETT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Al,
Look at this way…Cashman could come up with the final contract to CC before his meeting with the Giants, if he likes it he signs it.
dave,
I’ve always maintained that with CC, AJ’s a necessary luxury. Without CC, he’s a necessity.
The only thing that matters is that AJ is healthy now. We can’t control the future. That goes for all our pitchers.
Dave,
I think you could go with CC, Wang, Burnett, Sheets for 2 years and Chamberlain and not worry about Phil Hughes being blocked. Phil Hughes could use one full year of development in AAA. You also have to account for Joba’s innings cap and the likelihood of multiple pitchers going down with injuries. In year 2 of Sheets contract, if Hughes looks like he can be a solid major league contributor, it’s a good problem to have.
I don’t care if Pettitte would accept one year. Burnett’s too pivotal of a player to let go to the Sox. The head-to-head stats prove that when tested, Burnett rises to the occasion. When he knows he really needs to focus, he does.
trade for peavy!
Peavy is going to the Cubs, and doesn’t want to play for the Yanks. Get Over it!!!
I dont think this was posted yet. From Graziano:
“Cashman also met Tuesday with free-agent right-hander A.J. Burnett. The Yankees are preparing a four-year, $64 million offer to Burnett, hoping to top the four-year, $60 million deal the Braves offered him. They’d like to sign both Sabathia and Burnett (or Derek Lowe, if Burnett goes elsewhere) and may not stop there.”
Kylelitke,
What if the Yankees sign Sabathia, Sheets, Manny and Pettitte?
Does that count for 3 since Pettitte is returning to the Yankees or does it count for 4 and thus an impossibility?
Any chance that Amber tells Charlie to sign the damn contract so that Cash will leave the house?
How about CC, Wang, Sheets, Burnett, Joba – that would certainly make room for hughes and IPK at some point and dominate while they all remained healthy.
“I don’t like how CC is still meeting with the Giants if they somehow come in with a 6 yr 120 does he leave us at the last minute?”
yes. Except the ’somehow’ is Barry Zito waving the remainder of his contract
This was from the same Graziano article as above but also seemed interesting:
“Yankee decision-makers are split on whether Ben Sheets is worth the injury risk. Those who like Sheets want to offer him a two-year guaranteed contract for about $13 million per year, plus one or two option years that would vest if Sheets were to remain healthy during the first two years. The pro-Sheets faction believes the potential reward is worth the risk if they can keep it to a short-term commitment. “
“Any chance that Amber tells Charlie to sign the damn contract so that Cash will leave the house?”
Mel,
I think Cash will offer himself to sleep over until Charlie say yes. lol
Kylelitke,
Nevermind. Pettitte was denied arby.
So it’s possible for the Yankees to sign Sabathia, Sheets, Pettitte and one of Burnett/Manny/Teixeira.
Cash sure is going though a lot of trouble to get some Fisherman’s wharf bread.
Get Sheets!
Mel,
The longer he’s there the better chance its getting done right now.
Unless I missed it, Cash hasn’t gotten back to Vegas yet. No way he flies to SF in the middle of the winter meetings unless they’re close, very close. I imagine there will be a flock of beat writers waiting in the lobby of the Bellagio tonight for the return of Brian Cashman.
Bret, I’m not sure. I think it would count as 5 (with Marte) and be one too many. The only way it wouldn’t is if “resigning guys who were on your team last year” doesn’t count at all and it reverts back to “each team is allowed to sign 3 Type A’s”. But I don’t think that’s how it works. Someone can clarify I’m sure.
Bret,
I read your post after I posted that one – funny how we said very similar things.
mel
Better chance that Cash missed his flight back to Vegas because Amber asked him a question and he answered it for 2 hours. Her next question was followed by the phrase, “in 20 words or less.”
ED i dont want burnett
Pettitte wasn’t offered arbitration but he’s still a Type A, so my understanding is the Yankees lost four (Pettitte, Abreu, Mussina, and Marte) and have signed one (Marte), which allows them to sign three more. But like I said, I’m not exactly sure how it works…the Type A free agency stuff isn’t my specialty.;)
dave,
I don’t think the Yankees are scared by the injury history. They’re scared that he’ll be another one of their famous TJ projects. His agent said it’s akin to a hamstring injury. Nothing serious.
“Better chance that Cash missed his flight back to Vegas because Amber asked him a question and he answered it for 2 hours. Her next question was followed by the phrase, “in 20 words or less”
lmao
“ED i dont want burnett”
so? me too but you don’t see me crying about it. I just left my opinion and move on.
“Al, Brandon –
tomorrow the rival will renew!! however, I will be at the game tommorrow so I won’t be able to make remarks with you guys. lol
soo…bring it!!!”
Bring what ? they simply aren’t that good, Lee is a good player but Brook Lopez/Josh Boone are going to make him look like a fool, the Knicks have been playing young frontcourt players, they the Knicks are playing 7 guys per game who’s gonna stick VC ? More importantly we’re going against hands down the best PG in the Eastern Conference (Devin Harris) not named Rose, they will be lucky to be in this game by the end of the 3rd qtr., I expect Devin to want to make a splash in this game, he has a billboard in TS publicizing his rise in the metro area.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/i.....le_600.JPG
You think he’s not looking to get his name in the back pg. after tomorrow ?
Bret,
Do we really need CC, sheets, pettitte and Burnett? That seems like overkill. Just three of those four would suffice as long as one of them was CC to go along with wang and joba. Like you said, injuries to sheets or burnett could clear the way for hughes and IPK at the right time. Otherwise, they would be a dominant rotation with five potential aces if all stay healthy.
peavy aint going to the cubs he is staying in san diego
How many times does Cash say process to Amber and CC tonight?
“ED i dont want burnett”
Peavy doesn’t want to be here, he’s said it in many languages what do you want to do drag him kicking and screaming to NY ?
Kylelitke,
Pettitte was denied arbitration so I don’t think he counts as us signing a type A free agent even though he is one. And Marte was signed before the arbitration deadline.
CC would be 1. Sheets would be 2. And the Yankees have one bullet left for Burnett, Manny or Teixeira. I think they should shoot for Manny and trade for that 4th starter.
If they bring in Burnett over Sheets, they can afford to go with lower-innings guy like Bedard who like Pettitte is a one year commitment.
worth a read i guess:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....143414.htm
Oh Sheet,
I’m pretty sure the $3500 bed came with a free set of Egyptian cotton sheets.
Dave, I’m not certain about signing both Sheets and Burnett…I’d be fine with one but I think it may be a little risky to sign both. If both went down that’s a huge problem. I’d rather see Hughes in AAA until he’s definitely ready this time, rather than having to call him up because both Burnett and Sheets are hurt and the Yankees have nothing else.
But if they stayed healthy it could be a dominant rotation.
Cashman will leave eventually, but it’s a process.
Brandon,
it’s because he’s a crybaby.
Making for a rotation of:
Sabathia
Wang
Burnett
Bedard
Chamberlain
Hughes
Aceves
Kennedy
McAllister
i just want to make my statement loud and clear that’s all
I think Teixeira to the Red Sox hurts the Yankees more than Burnett.
It looks like Cashman is going after pitching, but there have been reports that the Yankees are looking at Tex too. Maybe they didn’t want to make it public before CC committed because the Angels might make him an offer in response.
I’ve always thought that replacing Gardner’s bat with Teixeira in the lineup will help the Yankees more than replacing Hughes with Burnett in the rotation. I think CC, Wang, Pettitte, Hughes/Aceves, and Joba is a strong rotation, but I don’t think that’s a popular opinion.
Bret: Well if they sign CC and sign Pettitte, they only need one more starter (say, either Sheets or Burnett) and wouldn’t have to trade for a fourth starter, since you’d still have Joba and Wang.
“i just want to make my statement loud and clear that’s all”
And it still doesn’t change the fool doesn’t want to be here.
Bret the Hitman,
you must have been tombstoned a million times! Bedard hates the media and won’t take the pressure in NY. Bedard’s shoulder is about to explore and he isn’t worth the gamble.
Last flight of the night from SF to LV lands in 50 minutes. Fun hot stove but I’m calling it a night.
Problem is you’re not replacing Gardner’s bat with Teixeira unless you have Swisher in center (where he isn’t very good and isn’t happy) or Damon in center (in which case you still have to either sign a left fielder or live with Matsui and his bad knees in left). Gardner or Melky (or someone acquired in a trade) is in the lineup no matter what in all likelihood.
Teixeira’s still an upgrade but it’s really not as simple as “replace Gardner’s bat with Teixeira’s”.
Okay, it’s getting really jumbled and confusing here. Why don’t everyone list their free agent pitcher signings and their projected rotation.
Gotta pick up the offspring. Be back in a bit. Looking forward to grading the pop quizzes!
i said i dont want burnett that all
How many times has cash said process in his life – we have heard it at least 15 times an off season. I wonder where he heard it from first – he was probably like – OMG that is the best word i have ever heard. I am going to use it every chance i get and he has ever since. He really needs to find a second word.
“i said i dont want burnett that all”
so stop being a crybaby about it.
if we have the following rotation, it doesn’t matter who’s in the lineup:
CC
Wang
Sheets
Pettite
Joba
it would be the #1 rotation in baseball. And the #1 bullpen, as well.
If we’re going to get CC and AJ and Sheets and Tex, why not get Manny too? Oh, but then where does Barry Bonds fit in. Grrrr, this is hard!
“Bret: Well if they sign CC and sign Pettitte, they only need one more starter (say, either Sheets or Burnett) and wouldn’t have to trade for a fourth starter, since you’d still have Joba and Wang.”
Correct. And I think with the above scenario they have 1 bullet left for Manny or Teixeira but this couldn’t be done without dumping salary someplace else, say by trading Matsui. If they traded Matsui, they clear 13 million more and create an opening at DH for Manny. If they can somehow turn Matsui into Bedard then they would have even more money to play with since Bedard will earn less than Pettitte in 2009.
I wouldn’t want Peavy anyway. Even if he wanted to come here and wouldn’t veto it, you’re having to trade away, at a minimum, Hughes plus an Austin Jackson or Jesus Montero, plus probably a couple more solid or potentially solid players, and then sign him to an extension at close to the money being offered to CC, all for a player with poor home/away splits who has always been in the NL. Plus, if you buy into that stuff, he’s been way worse in “big games” than CC…he’s been horrible in the postseason and in the one game playoff against the Rockies. Worse than CC ever was.
If the Yanks could trade for him without giving up the top guys, and not give him a huge 20 million a year extension, I’d be all for it, but there’s no chance of that even if he wanted to come here. So big pass on Peavy.
This is on mlbtr right now:
“Stark talked to several baseball people who still don’t believe Sabathia wants to be in New York. One predicted the Yanks would have to include an opt-out clause. Also, Stark speaks of indications that the Dodgers told C.C. they might be interested if they can fill some of their other needs affordably.”
What baseball people believe CC still doesnt want to come to NY? Why would he set up 3 meetings with the yanks in 2 days and have cash fly to his house in san fran if he didnt want to come to NY. When will these people ever realize that it was never about not wanting to come to NY and always about wanting to stay in cali. The Giants and not the dodgers seem to be the only other competition in this at this point and i doubt the yanks would ever put in an opt out clause after arod last year. So Stark seems to be wrong on all 3 accounts IMO.
I wish Cashman was in the process of slapping Fatcessa flat on his face, but that’s another process. Plus WTF is Tony Paige’s problem my god the freakin’ grinch of CC coming to NY, even Joel Sherman believes it might happen.
Hey trade for peavy!, don’t say ‘that all’ say ‘dassit’.
If you say ‘dassit’, it doesn’t matter what precedes it.
Yeah, a lot of people are having a lot of trouble with the difference between “I don’t want to go to New York” and “I have a preference to stay in California”. Huge, HUGE difference there, and every indication all along except from some random sportswriters quoting unnamed sources has been that it’s the latter, not the former.
“Problem is you’re not replacing Gardner’s bat with Teixeira unless you have Swisher in center (where he isn’t very good and isn’t happy) or Damon in center (in which case you still have to either sign a left fielder or live with Matsui and his bad knees in left). Gardner or Melky (or someone acquired in a trade) is in the lineup no matter what in all likelihood.”
Getting Tex would put Damon in center and Swisher in left taking Gardner out of the lineup and putting Tex in. So, it would be replacing Gardner’s bat with Tex. Matsui would stay at DH. You lose some defense replacing Gardner with Damon in CF, but Nady is a better OF than Abreu and Teixeira has a better glove than Swisher at first base.
Looks like Mlbtraderumors.com is reporting that Stark of ESPN has talked to baseball people who don’t see CC signing with us. There was even a mention of an opt out clause! No thanks. If he really doesn’t want to pitch in NY, let’s move on…
“What baseball people believe CC still doesnt want to come to NY? *Why would he set up 3 meetings with the yanks in 2 days and have cash fly to his house in san fran if he didnt want to come to NY*.”
He probably wants to hear Cash say the word process
I think CC is convinced, and that he asked Cash money to come to San Fran to talk to his wife. I think Cash’s pitch was great to CC because I have great faith in him, and CC said you have to here what this man has to say face to face, and oh yea we are getting 140 million.
“Looks like Mlbtraderumors.com is reporting that Stark of ESPN has talked to baseball people who don’t see CC signing with us. There was even a mention of an opt out clause! No thanks. If he really doesn’t want to pitch in NY, let’s move on…”
Think common sense you nut job…ask yourself why the hell would CC ask Cash to go to Cali. stop listening so much to every update on trade sites that are in the “no way he goes to NY” obviously he wants to, his wife and family are the obstacle.
Maybe CC just wanted to show his wife how funny Cash looks.
Give CC the opt-out? good or bad idea?
It is very funny how whenever there is good or maybe good news for NY you will always see a negative spin from ESPN. If this was Boston going after a big time pitcher ESPN would be talking about it all night and have Gammons on in his pjs gushing over it. Just like Gammons reporting before that Boston made CC an offer and when the reporters asked Francona about it…he laughed..How pathetic..
“Tony Paige’s problem my god the freakin’ grinch of CC coming to NY”
thanks for the heads-up. I like Tony Paige, but your posting prevented me from tuning in this week.
2 questions:
Where is CC’s agent,Vegas or SF? And more importantly, where is Pete?
Brandon,
they just want to believe in what they read.
I also have to add what’s bad about the opt out, if he wants to stay it gets picked up, the point is he’d be in NY, the issue fans have is giving 6 guaranteed yrs. so if there is an opt out after yr. 3 what’s wrong ?
“if we have the following rotation, it doesn’t matter who’s in the lineup:
CC
Wang
Sheets
Pettite
Joba
it would be the #1 rotation in baseball. And the #1 bullpen, as well.”
A lineup of Damon, Jeter, Tex, A-Rod, Posada, Matsui, Swisher, Cano, Nady would probably be the best lineup in baseball.
Sheets is a great pitcher, but the difference between him and Hughes is less than the difference between Tex and Gardner.
A rotation of CC, Wang, Pettitte, Hughes/Aceves, and Joba is still one of the best in the league.
Id say if we sign CC, Sheets and Pettitte, we may have money left over to give to Tex although i dont see it. Matsui being traded would force us to pay part of his salary and that wouldnt help so much so i dont really see that either. if we sign CC, Sheets and AJ, i think we are totally out of the Tex sweepstakes no matter who we trade. If there isnt much interest out there – i could see us signing someone like Dunn or trading for a respectable centerfielder. Asking for three of the most expensive free agent pitchers and the most expensive hitter is asking for too much – that would put us well over 200 million and i dont think i even have to do the math on that one. Adam Dunn will probably want atleast 15 mil in a multiyear deal so i dont know about that either. I really dont know how we improve our offense after spending that much on pitching outside of a solid trade.
CC just wanted Amber to play the Cash/process drinking game.
don’t listen to or pay any attention to jayson stark. the guy hates the yankees and is basically an idiot who’s blinded by that fact.
no27,
The only different is sheets is looking for about 2 years and 30 mil with an option while tex is looking for 160 to 200 million. Thats apples and oranges but i guess the annual average salary isnt that much different at around 5 to 8 million per season.
FWIW, I like the opt out clause after 4 years.
“don’t listen to or pay any attention to jayson stark. the guy hates the yankees and is basically an idiot who’s blinded by that fact.”
Plus, he gets a lot of things wrongs. If it’s not about the Phillies, don’t listen to him. He’s tuned into the Phillies since he’s from Philly, but other than that, Stark is mostly miss on his rumors.
No. 27, that’s fair, I blanked on Swisher in left. I don’t think they want Damon in center though, but I’d be okay with that.
As for an opt out clause, I hate them, they’re never beneficial to the team except in very rare circumstances…if a guy is playing great and can get a better offer they’ll leave or you’ll have to give them more money. If he sucks he may as well stay and collect his paycheck. That said, if it convinces CC, then go for it.
How about this: I don’t think Matsui is going to be traded.
Oh and if there is an opt out clause, I’d be annoyed if it’s after 2 years. 3 or 4 I can live with, 2 is a little too soon.
Brandon,
The only problem is if he does really well, he will opt out and want an even longer contract from the yanks and he will only be 31. If he does really badly, he wont opt out most likely. I think an opt out would be a lose-lose unless thats the only way he signs the deal. Imagine he is our ace for 3 years and maybe even wins a cy young and then, at 31 he opts out and the yanks have to give him a 6 to 8 year deal. Now, he will be signed through the age of 37 to 39 and that deal probably wont work out as well. Right now, with a 6 year deal, we are finally signing a pitching through his prime and for not much longer than that – i dont want him into his late 30s or at least i dont want the yanks to have to commit to that so far in advance. Id rather see how he adjusts when he loses some velocity and take it from there.
“How about this: I don’t think Matsui is going to be traded.”
I agree. Matsui wants to play for NY and will retire as a Yankee!
I don’t see Matsui getting traded. Even if the Yankees pick up the full salary, he may not be a full time fielder anymore (meaning it’d have to be an AL team) and his injuries mean they probably don’t get much back. However he’s still a good hitter and can still be very helpful to the Yankees.
The only scenario I could see him getting moved is if they signed Manny to DH and found a team willing to take on Matsui’s 13 million, but in that case they’re probably getting nothing worthwhile back.
Dave,
What Kylelitke is saying is that we can only sign 3 type A free agents. I’m not sure if this is correct. If we signed Sabathia, Burnett and Sheets then we can’t sign either Manny or Teixeira regardless because each represents what would be our 4th type A free agent signee.
That is why I prefer Bedard over Sheets. Unlike Sheets, Bedard is not a type A free agnet. He’ll earn half as much as Sheets and allow us to dump enough of Matsui’s salary to make a competitive offer for Manny.
I would say pick Sheets over Burnett but since Bedard is not a reliable innings eater, I think you have to pair him with the guy who pitched 230 vs. the guy coming off an injury.
You can sign Sabathia, Sheets and Pettitte or Sabathia Burnett and Sheets but then I’m not sure if you’re allowed to sign that 4th type A free agent no matter if you have enough payroll flexibility or not.
**Good thing the Braves aren’t the Mets:**
Sources told the Kansas City Star that the Royals would only consider sending **Zack Greinke** to the Braves **if** Atlanta took on **Jose Guillen**’s salary and sent back **Yunel Escobar, Jeff Francoeur** and a top prospect or two.
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seriously how dumb is that trade?
Yea, I dont think matsui is going anywhere
What a bummer this off-season is. As soon as good news breaks for us(like cash meeting CC in SF) anti-yankee news comes out saying “he wont pitch in NY” its almost like a grand conspiracy. I still have hope Cash gets something done.
So is Cash coming back tonight or is this a sleep over at the CC mansion?
CC Good Scenerio
yr. 1 $20 M
yr. 2 $20 M
yr. 3 $21 M
yr. 4 $23 M OPT OUT (If inj. this could come in handy)
yr. 5 $23 M + 5 MIL OPT
yr. 6 $28 M
What’s the worse that can happen w/ the opt out we learn he’s worth the money ?
CC will sign.
(although i would like Bobcat to confirm)
i think bedard wont be back until midseason at the earliest – you cant really count him as a starter as much as a project. We would still need to sign 3 starters. I really dont even think i want manny – as good as he is, his attitude would reflect really poorly on the young guys. Plus, he is getting pretty old and can only play dh. It would be hard to move matsui even in a salary dump in which we get nothing back.
CC asking Cashman to come to SF = hes going to sign with us
“Brandon,
The only problem is if he does really well, he will opt out and want an even longer contract from the yanks and he will only be 31. If he does really badly, he wont opt out most likely. I think an opt out would be a lose-lose unless thats the only way he signs the deal. Imagine he is our ace for 3 years and maybe even wins a cy young and then, at 31 he opts out and the yanks have to give him a 6 to 8 year deal. Now, he will be signed through the age of 37 to 39 and that deal probably wont work out as well. Right now, with a 6 year deal, we are finally signing a pitching through his prime and for not much longer than that – i dont want him into his late 30s or at least i dont want the yanks to have to commit to that so far in advance. Id rather see how he adjusts when he loses some velocity and take it from there.”
So your proving my point if at 31 he opts. out which CC isn’t that type of guy. But if he opts out you extend a SP that’s proven he’s worth it, if not you let him go and sign the hot ticket SP during that offseason. Ofcourse if he gets an opt out we get team option. He’s not gonna have his cake and eat it too.
No takers for my challenge? Since CC looks like a real possibility, I will include him in my rotation.
CC
Wang
AJ
Pettitte
Joba/Hughes
No Lowe and the Yankees appear split on Sheets.
opt outs NEVER work out for the team and ALWAYS work out for the player. tHEY are pretty much designed that way
$140M means no opt-out.
I say CC signs, no opt-out clause.
Brandon, that isn’t how opt outs work. The opt out is the players choice, not the teams. It will almost NEVER benefit the team, because if the player is playing great, he can opt out and sign elsewhere (the team loses him) or force them to give him more money. And if the player is sucking or injured, well, why would he opt out?
It may be a necessary evil to get him to sign but unless CC is sucking but so unhappy he decides to leave anyway and take less money, an opt out won’t ever come in handy for the team.
Team opt outs are disquised as team options.
“He’s not gonna have his cake and eat it too.”
I can’t comment on this, the Mad Prince might still be lurking.
Mel, are we talking what we want to happen or what we think will actually happen?
If I had to go by my gut instinct right now, I think it’d be the same for me:
Sabathia
Wang
Sheets
Pettitte
Joba
However I could definitely see it being Burnett instead of Sheets.
I pretty much agree with Mel. I think the Yanks, like it or not, end up with CC and AJ. Then the question becomes Sheets or Pettitte for the other opening. I think that’s still up in the air. Then I think the Yanks will get a patient and potent bat.
But do you really want to re-sign him for another 6 to 8 years at the age of 31? Right now, we are signing him from 28 to 33. Those are prime years. We include the opt out and we either let him go or sign him well past his prime. The only way he will opt out is if he is doing well, so we resign him and probably get shafted on the second deal. If he is doing horribly, he doesnt opt out no matter what. I dont see how the yankees benefit in either situation …
kyle,
It was more of what you want. I’d want to use CC’s money to get Burnett (4 yr), Sheets (2 yr), and Pettitte (1 yr). But, alas, I have to “settle” for CC.
“opt outs NEVER work out for the team and ALWAYS work out for the player. tHEY are pretty much designed that way”
Do you want him in NY ? most likely Yes.
So the opt. out shouldn’t matter. The point is he is your property until that opt out. So he gets what a 3 -4 yr. breather and no one is a fan of longterm contracts w/ insurance issues by yr. 3 or 4 the Yankees will have a blanket by then. The opt. out means nothing in this case, what happens if Dellin Betances and Andrew Brackman are the real deal ? You think the Yankees will care if he opts out ? 3 – 4 yrs. w/ an opt out to get him in NY pffffftt.. sign me up.
Dave,
Bedard’s surgery revealed no tears. He should be ready by opening day. If moving Matsui means getting Manny then I’d say you’re getting something back. Manny is relentless at exercising his core in the offseason. His swing will remain lightening quick.
But let’s say for the sake of argument that the Yankees pass on both Manny and Tex. This would allow them to spend all three type A’s on pitchers: CC, Burnett and Sheets.
Then you could bolster the offense by trading for an upgrade in centerfield. There was a rumor today concerning Ian Kennedy for Ankiel. Trading Cano for Kemp would not be possible since the Yankees would not be able to replace Cano with a 4th type A free agent signee in this scenario (Hudson or Furcal).
“I pretty much agree with Mel. I think the Yanks, like it or not, end up with CC and AJ. Then the question becomes Sheets or Pettitte for the other opening. I think that’s still up in the air”
that’s too much change $$$, when the NYY system is stocked with pitching prospects. With CC signed, hopefully the attention is shifted to Sheets. And Pettitte is a given.
“opt outs NEVER work out for the team and ALWAYS work out for the player. tHEY are pretty much designed that way”
Do you want him in NY ? most likely Yes.
So the opt. out shouldn’t matter. The point is he is your property until that opt out. So he gets what a 3 to 4 yr. breather and no one is a fan of longterm contracts w/ insurance issues by yr. 3 or 4 the Yankees will have a blanket by then. The opt. out means nothing in this case, what happens if Dellin Betances and Andrew Brackman are the real deal ? You think the Yankees will care if he opts out ? 3 to 4 yrs. w/ an opt out to get him in NY pffffftt.. sign me up.
(Sorry forgot the dash code)
“Bedard’s surgery revealed no tears. He should be ready by opening day.”
God No.
Wheres Pete??? I need to know Cash-money’s where-abouts! I might not be able to sleep.
I think the Yanks really want Burnett cause he beats Boston, and would stop beating them.
Why trade Matsui???Why not Damon.Damon actually can be traded with a partial no-trade clause.
Yankees souldn’t get Manny to replace Matsui.JUst trade for a younger hitter not get a older player to replace bats.
Au contrair, there were lots of tears shed by Seattle’s FO.
Brandon, I LOVE a 3 or 4 year guaranteed deal for CC. Make it nice and fat. That way he can go home to Cali. The only danger, and a real one, is that he’ll fall in love with NY.
Rivera1,
I’m fine with trading Damon if they bring in Furcal to play 2b. Otherwise, we don’t have a leadoff hitter.
Yanks should trade for David DeJesus, or perhaps Ludwick.
What is this logic? Why not give CC an opt-out after every home stand then? As long as he’s a Yankee!
Biggest pitching contract ever = no opt-out!
BBB,
I think the Cards would prefer to move Ankiel since 2009 is the last year in his contract and Boras will surely take him to free agency. That’s why Atlanta turned down the Cards offer of Ankiel for Mike Gonzalez.
“Brandon, I LOVE a 3 or 4 year guaranteed deal for CC. Make it nice and fat. That way he can go home to Cali. The only danger, and a real one, is that he’ll fall in love with NY.”
Exactly my point.
And 3 or 4 yrs. from now his buddy LeBron is going to be playing in Brooklyn or MSG. So who’s to say he doesn’t fall in love w/ NY.
Pete, its 11:30 for you. Can we get 1 more update? Even if its something we already know. I just need to go to bed with the comfort of knowing Carsten will be donning the Yankee Pinstripes soon
What time is it in San Francisco right now ?
1130
Thanks Lou.
So we might here some feed back more importantly where the hell is Pete or Sweeny Murti get your butts to SF already.
“So we might here some feed back more importantly where the hell is Pete or Sweeny Murti get your butts to SF already.”
maybe sleeping now?
We need to trade Melky and Kenedy for Ankiel. Maybe some bullpen releif. Fill in for this year at Center OF let Gardner develop propery instead of having to be a HERO. Next year get Holliday or Crawford. With Matsui and Damon coming off the tab.
We need to trade Melky and Kenedy for Ankiel. Maybe some bullpen releif. Fill in for this year at Center OF let Gardner develop propery instead of having to be a HERO. Next year get Holliday or Crawford. With Matsui and Damon coming off the tab.
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Im VERY against giving up on the kids (Hughes, Kennedy) but if Kennedy and Melky can lure us in Ankiel…do it. I like Kennedy alot, but seeing as were look good right now with CC, and probably getting Burnett/Lowe/Sheets (1 or 2 of them). It just doesnt seem like Kennedy would be used other than a fill in when someone gets hurt
“but if Kennedy and Melky can lure us in Ankiel…do it”
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Kennedy isn’t worth a year of Ankiel, and he’s a Boras client.
ok pete, stop playing slots
Pete posted an article that recaps a lot of what’s going on and has some insights from Torii Hunter.
The Yankees can sign as many Type A free agents as they want…
“Limits on free agent signings
If only 0-14 players in all of Major League Baseball file for free file for free agency, no team may sign more than one “Type A” or “Type B” player (terms defined below).
If 15-38 players file for free agency, no team may sign more than 2 such free agent players.
If 39-62 players file for free agency, no team may sign more than 3 such free agent players.
If 63 or more players file for free agency, then there are no such limits applied.”
183 players filed for free agency in 2008
I don’t know where you got that Bret but they left out an extremely important thing…I’m almost positive that it’s not the number of free agents, it’s the number of type A/B free agents who file. I don’t know what that number is but it’s probably under 63.
http://baseball.suite101.com/a.....ency_rules
Maybe you’re right Bret. Like I said, I’m not really familiar with the rules, but other places I’ve read that it’s the number of Type A/B free agents who file that matter, not the number of free agents in total. I don’t personally know though, I’ve never really been clear on that rule.
We’ve got some shopping to do.
Merry Christmas.
Signing Furcal to play 2B could be a great idea and would be possible if we trade Cano. Furcal isn’t a type A or B this year as he didn’t qualify. I would be fine with CC, Sheets, Tex, Pettite, and Furcal. Trading Matsui to the Mariners seems like a solid idea as well since they could use a DH type and he could thrive in Seattle with the Japanese contingent there. I’m on board!
“I would be fine with CC, Sheets, Tex, Pettite, and Furcal.”
Sheesh…. well why don’t we trade Gardner for Sanatana and Melky for Pujols while we’re at it!