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Mets get Putz in 12-player deal

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 10, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Mets, Mariners and Indians have a 12-player blockbuster just announced:

Mets get: RHP J.J. Putz, OF Jeremy Reed, RHP Sean Green

Mariners get: RHP Aaron Heilman, OF Endy Chavez, 1B Mike Carp, LHP Jason Vargas, OF Ezequiel Carrera, RHP Maikel Cleto, OF Frankin Gutierrez.

Indians get: RHP Joe Smith, INF Luis Valbuena.


The Rays also sent RHP Edwin Jackson to Detroit for OF Matt Joyce, who was one of their top prospects.





76 Responses to “Mets get Putz in 12-player deal”

  1. Adam December 10th, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    Doteams just like trading to the mets…they got the best player in the deal and hardly gave anything up

  2. Back Bench December 10th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    Repeat post:

    For what it is worth, Cito Gaston (sp?) was on MLB on Xm this pm with Keb=vin Kennedy and said:
    1. AJ was a very reliable competitor and team mate this year. He ‘took the ball’ on 3 days rest. The issue of his health going forward is settled as far as Gaston is concerned.

    2. He considered this year that he had two “aces” in AJ and Doc.

    Kennedy then added that Atlanta sees AJ as a must get and that they know how to evaluate pitching. They see AJ as their #1 and need him to stay competitive in the NLE.

  3. Tseng December 10th, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    That’s a lot of players for the Mariners.

  4. Gus December 11th, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Total Steal for Mets at least on paper. Who they give up ?

  5. gayle December 11th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    All I have to say is that the way the Mets are givin away all of the players in their farm system they better win now as they dont have much left in a farm system that was weak to begin with.

    Also posted this in the last thread but moving it here. Poor Brian Sabean must be tough to dealwith 4 beat writers can you imagine what he would feel if he had a job in New York

  6. Gus December 11th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    I am going to have faith in AJ if in fact he does come which seems lie it will happen.

  7. pat December 11th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    “RHP Aaron Heilman, OF Endy Chavez, RHP Joe Smith, LHP Jason Vargas, OF Ezequiel Carrera, RHP Maikel Cleto, OF Frankin Gutierrez.”

    Pete, aren’t you the one who always says quantity doesn’t equal quality and that you can’t trade a bag full of junk expecting to get something good in return lol

  8. Buddy Biancalana December 11th, 2008 at 12:03 am


    Sabean used to work for the Yankees.

  9. G. Love December 11th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    That’s a pretty brilliant deal for the Mets. Total flotsam for one of the better closers in the game.

    Only question is how Putz will take to setting up Krod. I can’t imagine he’ll like it much since it affects his future value.

  10. Sar 515 December 11th, 2008 at 12:04 am

    Wow! The Mets pick up 2 putzes in 2 days!

  11. kill.schill(ing) December 11th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Nice acquisition for the Mets.

  12. ChrisAU December 11th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    MLBTradeRumors says “The Mets succeeded in overhauling their bullpen without giving up premium pieces. Assuming Putz and K-Rod are healthy, they’ll be playing seven-inning games.”

  13. BBB December 11th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    yikes…CC is glad he got putta Cleveland whiel he still could.
    when you do even worse thabn SEATTLE in a 3 team trade, you know things arent good.

    also, is Matt Joyce really that good? “one of Detroit’s top prosepcts”…is that rrwally saying much?

  14. BBB December 11th, 2008 at 12:06 am

    ok, i need ro stop typing now.

    goodnight all, STAY AWAY FROM AJ and SAY NO TO LOWE!!!

  15. Charles December 11th, 2008 at 12:07 am

    PETE: Any word on this $91 million 5 year offer to Burnett?;id=2880

  16. We need the big guy!! December 11th, 2008 at 12:08 am

    To me it seems like Seattle thinks that Putz’s arm troubles are not over. Otherwise there was no reason to trade him for…nothing. To save $5m. So far the Mets have gotten Santana and a set up man for nothing.

  17. Moneyball December 11th, 2008 at 12:08 am

    Putz is a nice insurance policy in case K-Rods arms does in fact fall off. It will also be interesting to see if Heilman converts to a starter for the Mariners. Does anyone know anything about the players the indians gave up/are getting? They’re the ugly sister in this trade, only getting a little.

  18. Gus December 11th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    So if the Yanks did offer 91 mil for AJ than it is only a matter of when right ? Even if it is somewhat close to that . I got a feeling he will do well for us. But in December I am a optimist.

  19. i am the walrus December 11th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Putz is a good pick up for the Mets. It will be interesting to see how K-Rod and Putz work together… and if K-Rod holds up.

    It just seems odd to me that the Angels didn’t really try to keep him. Recession or fear of issues coming? After K-Rod’s season you would think the Angels would have made some offer being that the Mets got him for far less than he said he wanted.

    Joyce had looked pretty good last year in the little I saw of him. That could be a good pick up for the Rays.

  20. Gus December 11th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Charles that roto world just takes stuff from other reports they are taking it from espn so who knows ?

  21. Frankie D December 11th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    One has got to think Seattle knows something about Putz that the Mets don’t. That is a total steal for the Mets as they gave up spare parts + ho hum prospects.

  22. Gus December 11th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Think Putz will piss and moan over being a set up guy ?

  23. JoeT 28 in 10 KEEP PHIL FRANCHISE AND CANO!! Sheets 2 years > AJ for 5 December 11th, 2008 at 12:11 am


    Not sure how you can complain about signing a lefty in his prime that’s already won a cy young and could’ve won back to back if he was in the NL the entire year (I’d say AL the entire year but his teammate Cliff Lee still would’ve beaten him out).

    The thing I love the most is it only cost money – yes, a LOTTTTTTT of money, but we still have Hughes, Kennedy, Melky, and the list of 10+ minor leaguers that always comes up.

    That’s the one of the reasons I don’t want the Yankees to get Peavy (If he was willing to be here). First reason is look at his home/road era splits. 1.75 at Yellowstone (I mean PetCo), and 4.28 on the road (yeah, put that in the AL East)…. the other being it would take a huge contract AND the players mentioned above.

  24. Bronx Jeers December 11th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    I didn’t think Joe Smith was so bad.

    Maybe Heilman will get his shot at starting. I look forward to some more slump busting sweeps against the Mariners next season.

  25. sabernar December 11th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    For the Mets, it’s essentially Heilman and Joe Smith for Putz. That’s a pretty good trade.

  26. ron ron December 11th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    putz was pure garbage this season. i live in seattle, he lost 5mph on his fastball and didn’t have the movement on his slider he had in 07. it’s not a bad move when you look at what they gave up, but i can’t see him being an above par 8th inning guy.

  27. JoeT 28 in 10 KEEP PHIL FRANCHISE AND CANO!! Sheets 2 years > AJ for 5 December 11th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Gus – He may, but going how last year was, how can he complain to go from that Seattle team to the Mets??

  28. Al from BK December 11th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    I think we should get AJ but not at 91 mil. Any one else think Bobby should come back at a discount?

  29. CB December 11th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    You have to hand it to Omar… for all of the Luis Castillo type moves he’s made – he’s gotten two elite players in Santana and Putz for absolutely nothing.

    I don’t understand this deal from the Mariners perspective at all.

    I guess they felt that the organization was so bare of talent they had to just get some fill in to make due.

  30. Tom K December 11th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    Moneyball –

    Smith of course is a decent relief pitcher – but is a specialty righty. Not a huge loss for the Mets, but he’ll help Cleveland.

    Luis Valbuena is interesting – he has a solid defensive reputation and his bat has also showed some promise in the minors….he’s not a huge prospect, but he’ll be a major leaguer.

  31. Aaron December 11th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    so pepitone back to your previous post, who did you want to start pitching this year?? CC’s not a scrappy player?? only 28 he’s not young??? Come on, all you people complain about certain players but never have another solution.. we didn’t give up any players.. were the Yankees, not the Royals..

  32. Aaron December 11th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    yes Al I do , I want Abreu back and after next year.. make him a DH if we have to.. we need a 3 hitter..

  33. trade for peavy! December 11th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    burnett not going to the yanks thank god

  34. S.A.- CC you soon Mr. Sabathia December 11th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    The Red Sox are making progress in their quest to sign free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira, according to a major-league source.

    Headway was being made earlier today,” one source said.

    A rival general manager whose plans could be affected by the Red Sox’s addition of Teixeira also indicated that a deal was getting closer.

    Teixeira is the Red Sox’s No. 1 offseason target. They view him as the perfect fit for the middle of their order.

    Teixeira is seeking a 10-year contract for at least $20 million per season. The Red Sox preference would be to sign him to a deal between six and eight years.

  35. CB December 11th, 2008 at 12:18 am

    “i live in seattle, he lost 5mph on his fastball and didn’t have the movement on his slider he had in 07. ”

    His average fastball velocity this season was 95. Last year it was 94.7.

    He did throw the fastball less often by a fair bit but his velocity was no different than it was last year.

    I know he wasn’t very good this year but I wasn’t under the impression that he’d lost velocity.

  36. Aaron December 11th, 2008 at 12:18 am

    so peavy guy, who would you want then??

  37. Moneyball December 11th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    thanks tom. so it seems the indians just caught the leftovers.

  38. We need the big guy!! December 11th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    I am sure that Boras wouldn’t mind Tex going to Boston so he can try and throw Manny in a bidding war with the Dodgers.

  39. Guiseppe Franco December 11th, 2008 at 12:21 am

    How does PEavy guy know Burnett isn’t going to the Yanks?

    I hope he’s right. Burnett for 5 years is a terrible idea.

  40. Celerino December 11th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    CC not young? Starting pitchers just enteriung prime around then, or around 30. Ad even pre-roids many starters just get their act together around 30. It’s not the NFL where guys are decling at 30. look at mussina, pettitte, about 8 dozen other guys.

    And regards to this: MLBTradeRumors says “The Mets succeeded in overhauling their bullpen without giving up premium pieces. Assuming Putz and K-Rod are healthy, they’ll be playing seven-inning games.”

    You have to have a lead to get a save and the Mets didn’t score too many runs the last two months of the season. Their hitters choked as often as the bullpen.

  41. We need the big guy!! December 11th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    I meant a bidding war with the Angels and the Dodgers

  42. raymagnetic December 11th, 2008 at 12:23 am

    Wasn’t Putz hurt this past year? He walked 28 guys in 46 innings as well. Could be that something is wrong with his arm.

    He’s also probably going to make around 6 million dollars this year. That’s a lot of money for a guy who’s coming off a terrible year whose arm may not be healthy.

  43. S.A.- CC you soon Mr. Sabathia December 11th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Putz had a sore elbow at some point this past season

  44. RayBlay December 11th, 2008 at 12:29 am

    I wonder how JJ feels about being forced from closer role to setup guy involuntarily…

  45. StandingO'Neil December 11th, 2008 at 12:31 am

    Pete, all other sources have Joe Smith going to Cleveland and 1B Mike Carp going to Seattle. You may be right, but you still may want to double check that.

  46. trisha - CC will opt to be a Yankee. December 11th, 2008 at 12:44 am

    Back Bench – don’t waste your breath. There are at least some of us who are delighted that it appears we may be getting AJ. We obviously feel good about what we’ve seen and feel confident he’s going to work out.

    The others will have to either get used to it – or not. Let’s just enjoy what’s happening without letting others’ angst get in the way.


    About the Mariners – one of my very best cyberfriends is a Mariner’s fan. She always has a pretty good pulse on how both the fans and the organization are seeing things. I am going to check with her to get her take on how Mariner fans perceive that deal. I know that she was really big on JJ for a long time. I don’t know if his injury changed that at all.

    BRIAN CASHMAN – great job so far.

  47. RustyJohn December 11th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Great trade for the Mariners- they give up a good reliever in Putz but one who is coming off of injury- closers are overrated anyhow. Putz is under contract for one year and will walk for a closer’s job.

    The Mariners have Brandon Morrow who was projected to start but, with Felix, Bedard, Washburn (who will probably be traded this season), Ryan-Rowland Smith and the horrible Bavasi signing of Silva, they have a set rotation and can move Morrow back to closer for a season.

    Sean Green is below league average and is easily replacable by the Mariners- he is the type of pitcher who doesn’t have enough pitches to start but doesn’t have anything dominant to close- plus the Mariners overused him last year- he seemed to be in every other game. So, the Mets get a guy who will put up an ERA of 4.25 or 4.5 with a WHIP of 1.5.

    Jeremy Reed came over in the Freddy Garcia trade in 2004- he never panned out and will be 28 or 29 next year. He is the typical 4th or 5th outfielder- decent defender, will hit .260.

    Mariners get one of the top 5 defensive outfielders in all of baseball with Guitierrez and Chavez. Chavez will share time with Mariner prospect Vlad Balentine. Safeco Field is a pitcher’s park and half of the Mariner staff are contact guys. With this trade the Mariners have the best defensive outfield in baseball with Chavez, Guitierrez and Ichiro. That is sick speed and defense out there. As one blogger in Seattle put it- this gives them the ability to salvage Washburn and Silva, make them look that much better and easier to trade.

    Heilman essentially replaces Green in the pen but has better overall stuff than Green.

    Does Seattle “know” something about Putz that they aren’t telling? No- they have plenty of bullpen arms and don’t need a closer. The only outfileder they had was Ichiro and last year their outfield defense was horrible- so they got rid of something they had excess of and got something they needed- outfield defense.

    Would have preferred if the Mariners made this trade with Detroit and gotten Joyce in left field.

  48. trade for peavy! December 11th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    i would rather have sheets aaron

  49. RustyJohn December 11th, 2008 at 12:52 am

    Putz had some sort of rib injury- broken rib or torn cartilage, then he got the sore elbow from his attempting to compensate for that. He had a pretty good August and September after the injuries healed up.

  50. RustyJohn December 11th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    He’s a good character guy- Mariners are into that chemistry thing to a fault- great trade for the Mariners though- they give up Putz who had one year on his contract. He’ll walk after this year with the Mets and close for someone.

    Meanwhile the Mariners can replace him with Morrow and replace Green (who appeared in every other game for the M’s last year) with Heilman. No big upgrade on either teams part there.

    What is the big pickup is the Mariners who now have the best outfield defense in baseball with Ichiro, Chavez and Guitierrez in a huge pitcher’s park and contact pitcher’s like SIlva and Washburn on the staff.

  51. Sanji Watsuki December 11th, 2008 at 12:57 am

    I LOVE this deal for the M’s, unlike your other readers.
    Gutierrez and Chavez had other worldly defense. Gutierrez is, believe it or not, an average OF despite his anemic bat. Reed is about as good as Endy, in terms of value. They also picked up Heilman, who has quality bullpen value. To top it off, these guys all come cheap.

    What does this mean? The M’s have the best defensive OF in the game. This means their flyball pitchers will “improve” and look better on paper. It’s a great plan.

    What about Putz? He may be toast. It was a good idea to deal him now. Even if he rebounded, his value wouldn’t go up enough to justify it.

  52. RustyJohn December 11th, 2008 at 1:05 am

    Chavez is a better base stealer and defender than Reed- Reed came over in 2004 for Freddy Garcia and played one full season before being bounced back and forth between Tacoma and Seattle- only reason he got so much playing time last year was the team sucked so much- Chavez will split time with Wlad Balentine while he gets acclimated to the bigs- but I’d go to an M’s game just to watch the gazelles that are Ichiro, Chavez and Guiterrez out in the 80 acre outfield that is Safeco- they may make Silva competent enough to trade.

  53. Matthew Bleiberg December 11th, 2008 at 1:14 am

    Hmm. Not the smartest one in the bunch, eh?

    “They also picked up Heilman, who has quality bullpen value.”

  54. RustyJohn December 11th, 2008 at 1:21 am


    I don’t follow the Mets much at all out here but remember Heilman had good years in 2006 and 2007. Why’d he go to planet Suck-o last year? Is he a head case?

    By the way, I think the Mets may have gotten the equivalent of the Rockies Luis Vizcaino in the form of Green.

  55. Bret the Hitman December 11th, 2008 at 7:00 am


    I really like Franklin Guitierrez, mainly for his athleticism and outfield defense. He’s really raw but his defense makes him valuable. If he develops properly then he could end up being the sleeper in this deal.

    Now is the time for the Yankees to trade Matsui + Veras for Guitierrez and sign Manny for DH


  56. hobbie December 11th, 2008 at 8:18 am

    Yanks have Bret Gardiner. I don’t see trading Matsui and Veras for Cuitierrez, especially if he doesn’t hit for average.

    Heilman may have value as a starter. He became too predictible as a 2 pitch reliever and was prone to the HR ball last year- usually at the worse possible moment. I liked him. As a Yankee fan he gave me many pleasurable moments blowing game after game for the Mets. Smith is a submariner pitcher so this deal makes him both a Mariner and a submariner!
    If Putz is healthy then the mets appear to have solved all their problems. Murphy replaces Castillo at 2nd base. Tatis and reed share one outfield spot and if healty the bullpen appears solid.

    The Mets will be hard put to choke their way out of the playoffs this time, but I have faith in their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Rays moved Jackson, a pretty fair pitcher, to open up a spot for Price. The newly acquired Joyce will fill Baldelli’s spot.

    If Sabathia and Burnett are Yankees, Cahman’s next move has to be to shore up an offense that has been depleted by the subtraction of Abreu and Giambi ( mostly abreu) The addition of the aptly named Swisher is not enough even if Posada comes back healthy.

    If you think about it ,Sabathia if he has a good year, just about replaces the fine year that Mussina gave us. Burnett if healthy is a plu over Rasner/Ponson. The Sox will have quite a lineup with the addition of Texiera.

    We need a feared hiter to put behind A-Rod if we are to secure a playoff spot in this tough division. Nick Punto won’t do, neithwer will X man. Do you bring back Abreu or take a flyer of Manny Ramirez.

    Given the age of our core players, I would make an effort to sign Manny.

  57. hobbie December 11th, 2008 at 8:34 am

    Would the Yanks benefit from designating Shelkly Duncan for assignment and adding Alan Horne to the 40 man roster??? we could lose Horne in the rule 5

  58. Paulie December 11th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    The M’s have the best defensive OF in the game

    Slow down there, guy.

  59. Espresso December 11th, 2008 at 11:19 am

    In the papers out here they are saying that Gutierez was the M’s target the whole time. So I don’t see them trading him. I liked the kid when I got the chance to watch Cleveland.

    I think that Putz is over his injuries, but he went through a pretty rough patch last year. I think someone already pointed out that it was a rib injury that seemed to take a while to heal and the resulting damage to the rest of his body from compensating. His velocity was down on the stadium scoreboard for a chunk in the middle of the season due to injury, but as any one who watched the series here in September can tell you he is still dominant when healthy. The catch for the M’s is that JJ is a huge part of the Safeco experience. They AC/DC blasting and all the scoreboards show lightning bolts and since its a newer stadium there are a lot of video screens around. I’ll be going to games when the Yankees are in town, and I’m there for the game, but I would bet attendance will be down a bit.

    The funny part is that the posters here are being much more positive about this trade for the M’s than the fans posting here in the Seattle area. Sports fans out here are not with it. I’ve sat next to a couple of cool people at games, but a lot of duds too.

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