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Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 10, 2008 
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Brian Cashman met with CC Sabathia for the third time in as many days.
As the Yankees moved closer to what they want, the Mets wrapped up Francisco Rodriguez.
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There’s a luncheon today with the managers and the writers. They pretend to like us for an hour or so. Back in the day, Joe Torre never went to the Winter Meetings because he was, you know, Joe Torre. So the Yankees writers would have to find another table to sit at. Lou Piniella was always good for a laugh.
There is also hope that we will get Brian Cashman, unless he sneaks away for another meeting. I can’t remember if I mentioned that the Yankees are digging Nick Punto. But there you have it.
I hope CC signs soon we need the hefty lefty.
now it’s on to Sheets, AJ, and Lowe
Why Nick Punto??? Bats under .300 with 3hrs a year?
Punto is a bum…would like to see more of Cody Ransom
Needs more Cody Ransom. Punto isn’t worth it.
Agree. I’d prefer to have Ransom as the backup infielder, rather than mediocre Punto. No need to have another Betemit level player
Am I the only one who thinks the Mets just stole K-Rod?
3yrs/37M ??
Francisco Cordero for 4/48 just last season didn’t he? K-Rod is an elite closer in his prime. I can’t believe he couldn’t hold out for 4 or 5 years guaranteed… even in this market. As much as the guy stinks, if he had Boras you have to think he’d have gotten it.
Hate to say it but phenomenal deal for the Mets.
How Do , I knew Cashman would do right by the Yankees .
In the last year of his contract he did what he thought was right for the Yankees . I have faith and wish him Good Luck.
VERY NICE !!!!
“Gordon Edes notes that Giants GM Brian Sabean told reporters he would not be willing to give Sabathia a sixth year on a contract. They are the fallback option if the big lefty decides he wants to take less to pitch close to home.”-MLBTR
So the Giants won’t give CC Zito money and they won’t give him 6 years? This is starting to look like a one horse race.
There’s gotta be something to Punto.. he’s got his own fan club..
http://www.nickpuntofanclub.com/
If they sign him this week do they make a “What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” commercial or “Only in NY”
“If they sign him this week do they make a “What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas” commercial or “Only in NY””
Something cheesy and along those lines. Heres the bigger question can you imagine how many billboards and signs CC will be plastered on. I can see all the Sabathia 52 jerseys now.
“I can see all the Sabathia 52 jerseys now.”
Just remember, everyone didn’t want him. Except for me & SJ and Ed
““I can see all the Sabathia 52 jerseys now.”
Just remember, everyone didn’t want him. Except for me & SJ and Ed
”
I always wanted him but I let that BS article sway my judgement. I am too involved with the drama to actually make sense at times.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....143481.htm
According to Joel Sherman, CC has agreed in principle to become a Yankee.
Thank god.
*4 AM HE’S COMING TO NY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
If thats tru about CC…time for Ca$hmoney to go get Sheets and another bat
**CC’s a YANKEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!**
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone tell WFAN to STHU and report Joel Sherman’s news !!!!
*CC IS COMING TO NY*
hell yeah!!!
“Someone tell WFAN to STHU and report Joel Sherman’s news !!!!
CC IS COMING TO NY”
The good part is today at 1 when Fat Mike has to answer calls about the signing.
i know i know it’s still early and not confirmed but..
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now go get Sheets no sleep Cash until you rope him !
Pete,
You have some work to do to confirm this information about CC coming to the Yankees.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....143481.htm
Somebody wake up Peter Gammons I’d kill to see him announce this drowsy eyed.
What are the writers going to do now that CC is pretty much signed, I guess its time for a winter vacation…..LOL! I think that all the fans that were getting crazy over this may need one to.
Peter – you just got scooped by the NY POST!
Peter – you just got scooped by the NY POST!
you just got scooped by the NY POST!
Cashman had met Monday night with A.J. Burnett’s agent Darek Braunacker and expressed a willingness to exceed the four-year, $60 million bid by the Braves and that they would seriously consider going to a fifth year.
“We never doubted their sincere efforts,” Braunacker said. “I have maintained that if A.J. wants five years he will get five years.”
Cashman also met with Scott Boras and the Yanks New York Yankees appeared willing to go to the four-year, $60 million plus range for Derek Lowe. In addition, the Yanks have talked with agents for several other starters, including Andy Pettitte, Randy Wolf, Oliver Perez and Ben Sheets
according to sherman
wake up PETE!!! 1050 is reporting we have him
somebody call peter in vegas, he’s staying at the Bellagio
buster is confirming on espn as well
Ho-Ho-Ho, Happy Holidays New Yawk!!!
Buster is on ESPN-2
This also makes Tex a happy man as the Red SOx and Angels can now get into a bidding way over Tex
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
with the sox fighting the angels for tex, that leaves us the field for AJ, Lowe, and Sheets.
Sherman is coming up in 20 minutes on espn-2
Sherman on the FAN right now
Pete, get out of the Rhino, lol
just kidding Pete you are the best!
How can this be?
Mike Francesa said the Yankees are being “played”.
Jayson Stark says, “nobody believes CC will sign with NY”.
All of the lemmings who post here everyday after listening to Francesa said, “Cashman is being played. Walk away from CC. Cashman doesn’t know what he is doing”.
‘Ya ever stop and think one time in this ENTIRE process, that possibly the ONLY person who knew what he was doing in it was Cashman?
They played this PERFECTLY from the get go. Unfortunately, too many people just follow whatever negative thing somebody who is not involved in the process writes and goes off on tangents. Mostly, idioic tangents that make no sense. Except of course, to the person who buys into the clown that is Mike Francesa on a daily basis.
As Pete, CB, myself, and others have stated, when has anybody, IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL FREE AGENCY, left $40 million dollars on the table?
Its NEVER HAPPENED and it ain’t happenin’ now.
I don’t care of the guy thinks NYC is Iraq (which, BTW, he does not), NOBODY is leaving that kind of coin on the table in these difficult economic times.
If CC Sabathia turned down the Yankees, he wouldn’t get a 100 million dollar offer in the marketplace. Teams would have no reason to go over that number with the Yankees out of the picture.
The guy isn’t stupid.
There was also one other guy who has been in on this, and has called it perfectly, since the start of the process:
LeBron James. Don’t think for a minute he didn’t ally any fears CC and his wife have of NYC. Wouldn’t shock me if down the line, we hear a lot about LeBron pumping NYC to the Sabathia household.
Once LeBron said a few weeks ago “We (notice how he injects himself into the Yankee Heirarchy) are gonna get him”, I knew CC was going to sign with the Yankees.
If the Yankees can get an agreement in principle in place with CC by the end of the week, they can move onto AJ Burnett.
If they sign Burnett, it will then leave Pettitte and Sheets to fight it out for the last slot. Whomever takes the Yankees offer first gets the slot.
You take the weakness of the team (starting pitching) and not only turn it into a strength, you turn it into the best starting rotation in baseball.
If Cash can tie it all together, that would be one helluva off-season haul.
What a way to start the day, we got him
CC 161 AND RIVER AVE FOR THE NEXT 6 YEARS
For some reason I couldn’t sleep. Glad I’m up for at least a little while longer. Glad to see Cash finally get his man. So many Cashman offseason plans have been scuttled or partially screwed up by Tampa/ownership over the years. This one finally seems like it will be his and his alone. Congrats to Cash!
Maybe Pete isn’t sleeping. SOmeone go check the black jack table.
Phil- You are still trying to go to sleep? I am getting up to go to work. UGH.
Pete’s not at the tables
he is at the Spearmint Rhino in the VIP room with Aura and Mystique
yeah, I’m in Los Angeles so it’s only ridiculously late for me to be up out here.
Francessa and Bob Klapish have egg on their face this morning.
Mark, I believe you have the address wrong.
sj44-
don’t pat yourself on the back to hard. A year ago you said ARod was gone, and that he would never break free from Boras’ grip.
They don’t have egg on their face (especially Francesa) so much as they show the world how disconnected they are to the Yankees.
If Francesa actually had Yankee “sources” (real one’s at least) he would have realized that his rant yesterday was laughably off base.
Think about it. Less than 24 hours after he “demands” the Yankees “walk away” because they are being “played”, they have a deal with Sabathia.
If that doesn’t show the folks who live by what he says how clueless he is regarding Yankee business, nothing will.
There are guys who are clowns because that’s their role and they play to it.
Say what you will about Mad Dog but, that’s his schtick. He doesn’t try to pass himself off as someone in the loop.
Francesa not only tries to pass himself off as someone in the inner circle, he talks as if he is making the decisions!
He looks so bad today, if I were him, I’d use a sick day.
He showed what’s left of his audience how out of the loop he is when it comes to Yankee business.
Maybe he can take a job at a Miami sports talk station so he can get in the Dolphins loop since his buddy Parcells can feed him info.
It seems his “Yankee sources” have completely dried up.
That mini-bar is evil.
I’m not patting myself on the back at all.
Just pointing out how completely off base Francesa was on his rant yesterday.
BTW, Arod has not “completely his grip” from Boras.
They not only made amends, Boras still handles all of Arod’s baseball business.
SJ, why do you even bother listening to Francesa if he annoys you so much?
Good morning all – I see I should have started at the bottom for the news I came to find so early in the morning! How many of were still in pjs rubbing sleep from your eyes while logging on?
Honestly, when I read last night that Cash had skipped the meeting and left the hotel, I didn’t believe the stories that he was meeting with Sheets or whoever. I knew in my gut it was to see CC – no one else would really warrant that sudden a change in plan, would they? And then I figured, if Cashman was meeting with Sabathia and his wife, the deal was pretty much done. So, I’m not surprised this morning, but very happy the Yankees got their man.
Doreen-
PJs? Do you wear big fuzzy bunny slippers?
I don’t listen to him. I don’t have to.
We have 100 posts a day from folks on here telling us what he is ranting about on a given day.
He doesn’t annoy. I laugh at him because he shows everyday how clueless he really is.
For those who live by his every word, and get upset anytime someone criticizes him, today is not your day.
He looks like a first class moron today, given last nights events.
WAKE UP PETER!!!!! by the time on your last post, you’ve been sleeping less than 4 hours, but this is BIG!!!
Breaking News (This should come as no surprise): The Brewers are trying to buy a title They pulled off a coup by resigning and overpaying for Mike Lamb.
Pete’s not sleeping
he is at the Spearmint Rhino in the VIP room with Aura and Mystique
DB -
Nah, no bunny slippers. Bare feet.
SJ44 -
It’s true – so many people here give a blow-by-blow of the daily aggravation that is Francessa, it’s not necessary to tune in to know what drivel he’s selling on any given day. I’ll never understand why the people still tune in, never. I’m sure when Mike has CC on his show he’ll be appropriately reverential, however, in spite of yesterday’s tirade.
I put my money on Sheets resigning with the Brewers. They can’t afford to lose both pitchers. Will they take a shot at Lowe? He could help them a lot more than he could the Yankees.
I’ll be the first to admit that I wanted them to move on without CC. I had also said that I wouldn’t cry if we signed him
That said, I have also said that if we sign him and Boston signs Tex that we are still behind them.
We still have lots of work to do.
We lost Giambi, Abreu, Mussina and so far only added CC.
If Boston adds Tex and possibly AJ then we are still way behind the second place team in our division.
This is not sour grapes its just that I really think we need to upgrade the offense now. Swisher is not enough obviously.
Go get Tex and I will really be impressed.
Go Cash
the yanks don’t want Sheets! He gets hurt EVERY year!
Cash should put all of his efforts on getting Lowe or even Jon Garland
Yankeeray
you forgot Wilson Betemit, lol
the yanks need a CF and at least 1 more arm
don’t need Tex, they have too many guys to play 1b as it is
It’s not really likely that Boston would sign both Burnett and Teixeira. Just my opinion. Not only would that be around 40 million, but, they’d probably need to pay at least 15-18 mil to unload Lowell.
WOOHOO…If I was cash I would make the Sheets offer and get Tex then we’d have mission aCComplished
If NYY signed Teixeira, the production they got from him would make defense in center a priority over higher production on offense . His bat would still make it a plus addiotion, even with Gardner in center and Swisher in right. Nady could be moved for minor league infield/outfield talent.
CC is a done deal!? WOW!
This makes living in the Bay Area and watching the A’s play the Yanks only 1 series a year at the wretched Coliseum…so much more tolerable!
Go get AJ!
good job Cash . he’ll get use to NY . . But your not done yet . . We need Burnett and Sheets . . Load up the pitching !
Oh yea and Pettite for #4
cc
Wang
Sheets
Pettite
Joba
Damon
Jeter
Tex
ARod
Matsui
Po
Cano
Nady
Gardner
The Red Sox aren’t signing Burnett. Tex? Its between Boston, the Nationals and the Angels.
If the Red Sox don’t get Tex, and the Yankees add two more pitchers, it puts the Yankees in a much better place than they were at the end of the season.
Remember also that there will be a lot of guys left at the altar when all of this plays out.
Teams will have some good players they will either non-tender or look to trade. Players that could fill a role or two with the Yankees.
The economy is forcing a lot of teams to operate differently.
Its why the more flexible are, the better off you will be to fill out your roster.
This board should be a real hoot, today, if this signing is confirmed. There will be more flipping here than I saw the last time I was at IHOP.
you forgot Wilson Betemit, lol
the yanks need a CF and at least 1 more arm
don’t need Tex, they have too many guys to play 1b as it is
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Oh yeah how could I forget him and also Pudge.
I do think we need Tex and maybe just to keep him away from Boston. I have been saying all along that we need to over spend with Damon,Nady and Matsui coming off the books next year. I can live with Melky/Gardner for now if we can get Tex. Ajax will be here next year and we could always put Swisher out there.
We need bats as well and a gold glove 1B wouldn’t hurt.
Mattingly/Tino/Giambi/Swisher?
or Mattingly/Tino/Giambi/Tex?
Dont forget Andy Phillips lol
The only time Swisher will be in center field is during batting practice and shagging flies or in an extreme emergency.
FINALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
cc a yankee,yes.
THE BEST PART OF WAKING UP
IS CC IN MY ROTATION!
It doesn’t rhyme, but it’ll do!
They aren’t spending 160 million dollars on a guy to “keep him away” from the Red Sox. No money in the budget for it and its not the way you operate your team.
Its up to the Angels and Nationals to keep Tex away from the Red Sox.
The Angels have made Tex their #1 priority this off-season. I still believe Arte Moreno will get that deal done.
The Yankees need two more starters before they even think about CF.
GB is right, Swisher is here to play first base, not CF.
The priority is pitching. CC is the big get. Now, its time to fill out the rest of the rotation.
if it is for more than 6/140 i am gonna be pissed.
I can understand 6 years of CC. He’s young and an Ace.
I can understand 2 years of Sheets. He great when healthy, and this is a short contract.
I can understand a year of Andy. How can ya lose on that?
And while the majority of Farm prospects never become MLBer, considering the depth of our Farm, I have to think in 2011 and 2012, we will have some kids up in the show.
So WHY go 5 YEARS on the oft injured AJ Burnett?
So WHY go 5 YEARS on the elderly Derek Lowe?
Are you telling me that with CC, Joba and Wang, between Phil, IPK and a cast of thousands, not be mention trades and FAs along the way, we have to commit big dollars to (one of) those 2 for 2011-2013?
The funny thing is Francesa will somehow make it out that because he ranted yesterday cc’s “people” realized he was starting to look like a fool and that he knew he had tomake up his mind or he would get left aside. Francesa somehow always makes it about him.
SJ44….I’ve spent most of 2008 watching Brandon Laird in Charleston. What is your opinion on him and how fast does he move up the line? I’ve stated my opinion many times, but, haven’t seen much on here by many others.
My CC Story…
So I got a pair of tickets to see the Indians vs the Yankees in spring training this year and headed to Tampa for a few days. Luckily enough, it was a rematch of the ALDS game between Sabathia and Wang.
While CC did his warm ups in middle-inning there were some boos when he had his name called. I will not deny being a loud, and quite boisterous fellow. I stood up from my seat on the third base line, and shouted as loudly as possible…
“DON’T WORRY CC, WE’LL LOVE YOU WHEN YOU ARE A YANK NEXT YEAR.”
A few giggles were heard. A few days later I went to the Sox and Yankees game at GMS Field, then still known as Legends Field, and ran into a father and adult son. They were both wearing Indians hats and I started chatting them up about their team’s chances, their feelings, etc. I said I was pretty sure that after the Santana bungle that Sabathia was bound to be a Yankee next season. The father said, “You know what, were you at the game the other day?” I suppose he heard me, “Yeah, I was.” “Were you the guy who yelled about him being a Yankee next year?” I remaked with guilty as charged. “When you yelled that, I actually turned to my son, and you know, that guy is right.”
That’s my story and I am sticking to it.
it was obvious that no other team was getting involved or upping offers.
it was a no brainer when we are talking 3 months out of the year.
if it was all season it might be different.
gayle
December 10th, 2008 at 7:36 am
The funny thing is Francesa will somehow make it out that because he ranted yesterday cc’s “people” realized he was starting to look like a fool and that he knew he had tomake up his mind or he would get left aside. Francesa somehow always makes it about him.
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Gayle, my apologies to your update yesterday on the 4th year vesting option on F. Rodriguez. You had it correct. I was going on the MLB.com live and they had no mention of the option, only the three year base and incentives.
OYF,
I agree with you on Lowe. I think more than 3 years is too much for him.
AJ? On the surface, I understand the hesitancy on 5 years. However, the market has gone to 5 years on him.
That means, the Yankees have a decision to make. If they really want him (which I believe they do), they will have to go 5 years to get him.
AJ’s agents did a very good job positioning him in this marketplace to get a 5 year deal.
For him to have 5 year offers in this economy is darn good agent work.
I think a lot of teams, the Yankees included, see him as a late bloomer-type of dominant starter. A guy, while not an “ace”, can certainly be a dominant #2 or #3 starter.
The team that wins his services are just going to have to use whatever God they pray to and hope he can stay healthy for 5 years.
If I was Cashman, would I go for 5 years with AJ? I’d swallow hard and do it.
CC, Wang, AJ and Joba are 4 power arms, all 32 and under. That’s impressive.
You then go to Sheets and Andy with the same offer and the first guy to take it gets the last slot.
If it shakes out that way, that’s one helluva pitching staff to go into 2009.
The Angels have made Tex their #1 priority this off-season. I still believe Arte Moreno will get that deal done.
The Yankees need two more starters before they even think about CF.
GB is right, Swisher is here to play first base, not CF.
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I can live with Tex in LA but I think he wants to stay on the east coast and un like with CC there is a market for him here.
As far as Swisher goes, the landscape has changed if Tex wants to be a Yankee. He can either play a corner OF spot, some CF or we could turn around and trade him as he suposedly has garnered interest from some NL teams. Package Matsui/Swish/Nady and go get a lock down 1B that we shouldn’t pass on. Pitchers get hurt but not taking a shot on Tex will be as bad or worse than missing out on Beltran. And if he goes to Boston we will see that every year 18 times.
Please don’t tell me that we can’t afford him. With the money coming in with new stadium we could deal with it for 1 year until Damon and others come off books next year.
We must build a winning team for the Arod Jeter window off opportunity. We can’t go into new stadium with this offense and please don’t tell me that Mike Cameron will be the answer.
The signings for starters and relief pitchers should now start coming fast and furious. The offensive signings will now start with Teixeira.
GB
no apologies needed but thanks
Kerry Wood has reportedly agreed to a 2 year contract with Cleveland.
SJ44
francessa will spin this like he is the reason cc signed.
gayle
December 10th, 2008 at 7:46 am
GB
no apologies needed but thanks
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My pleasure. I’ll go with your updates over MLB.com Live now. I’ll try getting my 15 dollars back.
Now I am totally confused (not. But it seemed like a good lead in to trash Sherman.) Joel Sherman, that stellar “reporter” who just last night wrote that the Yankees needed to suck up the fact that the last team that CC wanted to sign with was the Yankees, is now breaking the story about CC agreeing in principal?
HA HA HA HA HA! WHAT A TOOL.
I agree with you on Lowe. I think more than 3 years is too much for him.
AJ? On the surface, I understand the hesitancy on 5 years. However, the market has gone to 5 years on him.
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If we go another starter then AJ is for me. Please no LOWE.
AJ could finally be healthy and a stud about to blossom. His innings have increased over the last 3 years and he led the league in SO’s. Hopefully his injury is behind him and he also wants to be a Yankee which is a big thing. Do the 5.
So yes, AJ and Tex to close out the big splash by Cash. Don’t get me going because I will also remake my case for Manny
why not move damon & go for tex?
then worry about a cf/leadoff man.
we are not going with gardner/melky in cf anyways & damon & matsui are gone after 09.
GB,
I love Laird’s bat. I think he is a much better prospect than rated by some outside services. That kid can hit.
If he can handle AA effectively this season, he could be a guy in the mix for the first base role in the future.
I know some scouts see him as a DH type because his glove isn’t that great.
However, that kid can hit and, if you can hit, teams will find a spot for you in the majors when you are ready.
I saw about 8 guys on that Charleston team that I would consider to have legitimate chances to be good major league players.
Provided of course, they stay healthy, continue to improve, etc.
Based on their abilities right now though, that was the most talented Yankee minor league team (in terms of having legitimate ML prospects) that I have seen in years.
I’d prefer going with Burnett and Pettite as the additions. One last year of a solid Pettitte makes more sense than locking out Hughes and others over the next 3-4 years. Any time you have a #5 pitcher of the Pettitte Chamberlain quality, you have a deep rotation. It allows Pettitte his last season, gives NYY another lefty to balance the rotation and allows Hughes and others at least another 3-4 months to finish developing their pitches. Just my opinion.
On the 10th day of Christmas the Yankees Gave to me
A 300 hundred pound CC!
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....;fext=.jsp
No market for Damon. Nobody is looking to take on 13 million for a rental player and I don’t think the Yankees want to trade him.
Plus, why would you want to move Damon? The guy is the sparkplug of the team and also has evolved into one of the leaders of the team.
He’s one of the guys making recruiting pitches to other players this off-season.
Folks, in all of the payroll models the Yankees put together this off-season, not a single one included Tex and CC on the same team.
If CC turned down the Yankees, they would have gotten more aggressive with Tex.
That not being the case, Tex is not an option for the Yankees.
Tex is a Scott Boras client. Don’t get sucked into the geography debate. He will go where he gets the most money.
Put it another way. CC loves the West Coast as much, or more, than Tex loves the East Coast and where did CC end up?
When people say, “its not about the money”, don’t believe them.
Its ALWAYS about the money.
Tex is one of Boras’ truest of true believers as a client. He will take the biggest offer on the table, regardless of geography.
SJ44
December 10th, 2008 at 7:52 am
GB,
I love Laird’s bat. I think he is a much better prospect than rated by some outside services. That kid can hit.
If he can handle AA effectively this season, he could be a guy in the mix for the first base role in the future.
I know some scouts see him as a DH type because his glove isn’t that great.
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After they moved Laird off of third and to first base, his hitting improved, but, he looked really dolid and at times flashy on defense. What’s more, he can throw and has good foot movements. The one guy that really has no position, but, gotta love his bat is Suttle. I think he’s in the same situation as KCs Billy Butler…a born DH. That group of kids can hit. Love Snyder’s bat, too. He’s just not a 2nd baseman.
***solid*** and at times
i’m ok with damon especially if we can’t trade him & have no choice.
i do however think something will go down for a cf.
I would be happy with Pettitte and Burnett rounding out the rotation.
If Andy balks at the terms though, I’d roll the dice on a 2 year deal with Sheets.
Andy owes the Yankees something here. They got blindsided by the HGH stuff and took all the heat for choosing Andy over Santana last year.
They supported him throughout the ordeal.
I’m not saying Andy should work for “slave wages”.
I am saying, he should be more amenable with the Yankees than if he didn’t bring the HGH #$#@ storm to the organization.
If he or his agents (the Hendricks Brothers) go too hard line, I’d take my shot with Sheets.
SO – THIS is where the CC Party is!!!! (Sorry for arriving so late!!)
Think about it: Cashmoney makes a House Call, sees the Mrs. and seals the deal!!!
YESSSSSSS!!
i just saw on ESPN when i woke up that CC is with the yanks
SJ- Even you have to admit that yesterday you were even doubting CC coming to NY. Some people inside with the Yanks were feeling that way about 18 hours ago, too. You even started throwing out alternatives if CC spurned the Yanks.
SJ44
December 10th, 2008 at 8:02 am
I would be happy with Pettitte and Burnett rounding out the rotation.
If Andy balks at the terms though, I’d roll the dice on a 2 year deal with Sheets.
Andy owes the Yankees something here. They got blindsided by the HGH stuff and took all the heat for choosing Andy over Santana last year.
They supported him throughout the ordeal.
I’m not saying Andy should work for “slave wages”.
I am saying, he should be more amenable with the Yankees than if he didn’t bring the HGH #$#@ storm to the organization.
If he or his agents (the Hendricks Brothers) go too hard line, I’d take my shot with Sheets.
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I think the Yanks and Pettitte split it at 13 mil. for one year or maybe 11 mil with easily reachable incentives to 13 mil. It seems like a fair compromise.
CC a Yankee? Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
So we love him again? Right?
Can’t wait to hear WFAN today
“Joel Sherman, that stellar “reporter” who just last night wrote that the Yankees needed to suck up the fact that the last team that CC wanted to sign with was the Yankees, is now breaking the story about CC agreeing in principal?”
To be fair, he didn’t want to sign with the Yankees. While I wouldn’t say they are the last team he’d want to sign with, they were not among the Top 3 that he wanted to sign with. In the end, the Yankees blow away offer served it’s purpose but it took $40 million and a lot of soothing to get it done.
cc going to sign with yanks. joel sherman reports.
This is beyond fantastic news!!!!!! CASH MONEY does it again!!!! What a great way to start the workday!!!! Cant wait to see what else he’s got planned. LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!
Is any body but me bothered by the fact that all reports on C.C. are citing their source on the NY Post? I would feel alot better if someone could confirm independently. B T W< good morning Yankee fans!!
Glad that CC has agreed to accept the Yankees offer. Now I think that the rest of the pitchers will start to sign quickly and the Yanks will be able to fill out their rotation.
The YES network is sort of on top of the prevailing feeling for Yankee fans.
We awake to C.C. signing, finally ending over a month of suspense, and of course they are running a colon detox cleansing infommercial.
How appropriate.
we got cc.
it doesn’t matter how.what is important is we got him.
everybody has opinions & that is fine.if it took waiting or a little pressure.
i do have to admit that it happened a lot quicker than i thought.
i go to sleep,wake up & cc is a yankee,nice.
i think cc & his agent realized that no other team was going to step up.
“I would be happy with Pettitte and Burnett rounding out the rotation.”
IMO, Burnett for 5 years = disaster. Especially for that money.
You always throw out alternatives. You have to because, if the guy says “no”, you have to move forward. But, I have said all along that when all is said and done, CC would sign with the Yankees.
Go back and look at the posts.
Really, aside from Francesa’s nonsensical rant, what went on yesterday that was “negative” re: CC and the Yankees?
ESPN speculation, which was wrong, about him not wanting to play in NY.
A San Jose writers blog entry, also proven to be wrong, that CC “turned down the Yankees”.
I wrote a post yesterday talking about how many folks were burying the lead story which was, CC requesting a second meeting with the Yankees. That indicated to me how serious he was about coming to NY.
That’s why Francesa’s rant yesterday was so comical. It was in direction opposition to the FACTS of the day.
Even Francesa’s most supportive fans have to admit, he comes off looking like a complete buffoon this morning.
Mainly because his reasoning (“CC is jerking around the Yankees”) was completely unfounded.
In fact, if he was as “connected” to the Yankees as he likes to tell his audience he is, he would have known that CC NEVER jerked around the Yankees.
He was just making sure he would make the right decision. That’s not a bad thing.
By not giving him deadlines, laying him out publicly, and accusing him of things he wasn’t doing, the Yankees got their man.
In other words, not taking Mike Francesa’s “advice” is the reason they reeled him in.
Ha ha ha hathia, we got Sabathia!
“Is any body but me bothered by the fact that all reports on C.C. are citing their source on the NY Post?”
If it’s in the Post, it must be true!
Fredo, I have found Sherman to be pretty much an idiot on so many occasions that this didn’t surprise me, of him.
That said, could you quote me some credible source that said that CC didn’t want to sign with the Yankees? Otherwise I absolutely don’t believe that’s true.
Jekikaso, I pasted the link to the story on CC from mlb.com.
Tex is one of Boras’ truest of true believers as a client. He will take the biggest offer on the table, regardless of geography.
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So then offer him the most money, we have some of that don’t we?
“I am saying, he should be more amenable with the Yankees than if he didn’t bring the HGH #$#@ storm to the organization.”
SJ:
Not entirely disagreeing with your point, but is the organization so obtuse as to believe they had no PED abusers on their team???? Is any organization that obtuse?
I think the Post STILL has Dewey beating Truman. I hope the news is true, but I’d really like to see a more reliable source.
Oh lord, Francesa will probably think his rant against CC made CC agree to terms with the Yankees.
Fredo -
I would group all the west coast teams as #1, and then the Yankees at #2. I don’t think CC would have discriminated between LAA, LAD, SF or even OAK. Whichever of those teams had come in with a decent (not quite Yankees, but not too low) offer would probably had won his services. It is surprising to me, though, that not one of them made a compelling offer. Good for the Yankees.
“But, I have said all along that when all is said and done, CC would sign with the Yankees.”
I will attest that SJ has said this all long and as recent as yesterday. He never made a big splash about it and basically said everyone should chill and just wait it out and not spin out of control over the fact that the Yankees had not yet completed their roster for 2009 (not those exact words), something I always find very wise counsel.
DEAL IS DONE CCCCC U ON OPENING DAY CC NOW LETS GO GET SHEETS CASH……..
You know that Francessa is running quite a scam. I’ll bet even people who don’t watch or listen to him but who heard about his rantings yesterday will tune in today to see how he backtracks or justifies or whatever it is he is going to do today.
Were the Yankees CC’s #1 choice? No.
However, that doesn’t make him “Anti-Yankee”.
I think that’s what most in the media, and certainly many in the fan base, failed to comprehend.
He’s a West Coast guy. All things being equal, he would have liked to stay on the West Coast.
But, all things aren’t equal and never were going to be equal.
CC and his agent knew that, especially after the economy tanked. So, CC wanted to make sure that if he decided to come to NY, it was a decision he and his family could live with for the next 6 years.
When you hear about the questions he asked the Yankees in his first meeting, and Cashman in their private meeting, its easy to see why the guy is so popular in the game.
He’s a standup guy thinking about more than just himself.
Those are the kind of guys you win with on a team.
The fact that he wanted to know everything about the area, schools, day to day life, speaks volumes.
He has never said, “I don’t want to play with the Yankees”. Those words have NEVER come out of his mouth.
Yet, in today’s world, it became urban legend that he “wanted no part of NY”.
If that was the case, he wouldn’t be signing with the Yankees.
“That said, could you quote me some credible source that said that CC didn’t want to sign with the Yankees? Otherwise I absolutely don’t believe that’s true”
His actions spoke rather loudly. If you believe for second that if the Yankees offered $100M and the Dodgers offered $100M, that he’s not going to the Dodgers, you’re delusional. Cashman, fortunately, is not delusional, and knew this, which is why the offer was what it was.
Jekikaso and John – Is THIS good enough???
*Report: Sabathia chooses Yankees*
ESPN.com news services
Updated: December 10, 2008, 8:13 AM ET
Free-agent lefthander CC Sabathia has agreed to the New York Yankees’ six-year contract offer, the New York Post reported Wednesday.
Sabathia
Sabathia, considered the biggest name in the free agent market, had been courted by the Milwaukee Brewers, the San Francisco Giants and the Boston Red Sox. The Los Angeles Dodgers said that Sabathia, who lives in California, had expressed interest in playing there, too, although the team did not publicly make him an offer.
But it was the Yankees — who a month ago made Sabathia a six-year offer believed to be worth at least $140 million — who apparently won out, according to the Post.
Cashman had met with Sabathia on both Sunday and Monday at baseball’s winter meetings in Las Vegas. But on Tuesday, Cashman left the winter meetings and traveled to the San Francisco area to meet personally with Sabathia. It was there, the Post reported, that Sabathia agreed to the deal.
Sabathia, who was dealt to the Brewers before the trade deadline, went 11-2 with a 1.65 ERA in Milwaukee, carrying the Brewers into their first playoff apearance since 1982.
He has a career record of 117-73 and a 3.66 ERA in eight big league seasons, mostly with the Cleveland Indians.
“Even Francesa’s most supportive fans have to admit, he comes off looking like a complete buffoon this morning.”
Doesn’t he always?
Fredo,
Exacttly!!!
trish,
I read that article,but second paragraph stated:
“And according to the New York Post, the extra effort paid off. The paper reported on its Web site early Wednesday morning that the 2007 American League Cy Young Award winner has accepted the Yankees’ six-year, $140 million offer. ”
just looking for confirmation from some one not relying
on post was all
“He has never said, “I don’t want to play with the Yankees”. Those words have NEVER come out of his mouth.
Yet, in today’s world, it became urban legend that he “wanted no part of NY”.
If that was the case, he wouldn’t be signing with the Yankees.”
And there you have it.
Jekikaso – gotcha. I didn’t read the attribution to the Post.
Well I am willing to give it extra credence, if only because the jackass Sherman who last night said it wasn’t going to happen is the one who broke the story!
Boy this is all happening in the right place. Circus Circus!
Man…..Pete must have partied too hard last night and is sleeping in…..or still banking it at the blackjack tables!!
good morning everyone!
wow, lots of early morning posting!
i was personally hoping i’d wake up to find CC under the tree!
hopefully we’ll have him by X-mas…
maybe if we bloggers started sending X-mas cards to CC (all pictures of X-mas or something in NY) instead of e-mails to Pete asking for the latest CC update, we could help Cashman in his endeavors a little.
all i know is cc is the opening day starter & wang will take the ball on dat 2.
i am happy no matter what we had to do.
now go out & get a cf cash.
Ned Colletti is a funny dude.
we DO have CC AROD Fan!
EARTH TO AROD fan!!! READ THE POSTS ABOVE.
vegas is how many 3 0r 4 hours behind us.
4:30 or 5:30.
pete is sleeping with a million voice mails.
AROD fan
merry xmas.
i’m not getting you anything else.
Pete slept while the Lohudders chatted.
(A take off on Nero and Rome!)
Pete – major kudos for doing your job so well. I tip my cap to you because we Yankee fans do get the story hot off the press and get all of the updates that lead to the headlines. For example, your constant updates of Cashman and CC lead to the wonderful outcome. Because you are hopefully getting some well-earned rest doesn’t mean that you didn’t break this story for us – because essentially you did.
(I still will never be pleased with reporters – in my estimation – demanding and at times unkind treatment of Girardi; but that doesn’t take away from the fact that you really do your job well.)
Fatcessa is a must listen to today…. but this is how he will open
“I knew it Cashman took my advise and told him the deal was a take it or leave. The deal would be pulled in 24 hrs if he didn’t accept.”
pete did say that cash blew off a meeting with i believe ny reporters saying that cash is having a getogether with a player or agent.
this is what changed it for me.
i knew a deal was close.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, the Yanks stole the Met’s thunder 12 hours after their K-Rod Deal!!!!
a perfect strategy by cash.
throw the offer out on day one and dare anyone to beat it.
the mets are going to be a lot better especially if the land a starter.
ESPN is all over it right now.
Davidoff on ESPN talking about CC signing.
However headline reads “CC very close to preliminary agreement with Yankees”
So I would guess that we could say that unless something really strange happens it is going to happen.
Top story on ESPN – CC signing. Turn on your television. This is AWESOME!!!!!
“the mets are going to be a lot better especially if the land a starter.”
yeah, Pedro Martinez.
Trisha,
the people that KNEW FOR SURE and THOUGHT CC doesn’t want to come to NY have now just jumped on the bandwagon.
“HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, the Yanks stole the Met’s thunder 12 hours after their K-Rod Deal!!!!”
May I say that I am very very very very very very very very happy!
Both Davidoff and Phillips have talked about one of my major fears with new pitchers in NY – though I had no fear about this with CC – can they pitch under the pressure of the NY spotlight?
Based on that – SAY NO TO LOWE!!!!!
“the mets are going to be a lot better especially if the land a starter.”
They still need to build the bullpen. K-rod is merely the 9th inninng guy. They still need some 6-8 inning types to be taken seriously. You’re right about them needing another starter though.
pedro is gone my son.
ed- I thought the same thing!! We are on the back page of the Post, the day the Mets announced the signing of the biggest fish in the free agent closer market. haha
I wouldn’t be surprised to see IPK and/or Jose Veras going to St. Louis for Rick Ankiel. It solves problems for both teams.
I’m not an IPK-hater, and wish the kid could have developed into the pitcher I think/hope he can be on the major league level. However, given the situation with our Yankees, this trade could work out quite well for us, and along with the other deals – Swisher, CC, and another starter, really transform the team.
I know it’s still early, and you shouldn’t count your chickens, but Cash and Co. really seems to have a handle on all this, especially in these trying times, and if it all comes about deserves a heck of a lot of credit.
“Based on that – SAY NO TO LOWE!!!!!”
Lowe’s pitched under postseason pressure better than any current Yankees pitcher (as always, save Mo)…….including Sabathia.
So what is next on our X-mas list? Sheets? Tex? iPod? DVDs?
Also, maybe this CC stuff will teach some people about patience? Oh never mind.
Damn damn damn! I have to leave for work. This will be ESPN television for quite a while. Please watch for me. You who are home are in for a great morning.
I am now crying tears of happiness that we have CC!
*YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*
I think Pete overslept or something. He probably got lost in Spearmint Rhino last night, or should I say, in the wee hours of this morning? What was her name Pete? Serenity? Justice? India? Whatever you do, don’t ever give them your credit card!
If Cashman ever took Francesa’s “advice” yesterday (“pull the offer and move on”), he would have never gotten the deal done with CC.
If nothing else, from a strategy standpoint, it would have been the worst possible thing to do for a number of reasons:
1. You lose your #1 priority (CC) on the market.
2. You lose leverage with everybody else you are talking to. The agents (especially Scott Boras), would have smelled desperation and that raises the prices on EVERYBODY. Increasing the cost of doing business, given today’s economy, is business malpractice these days. Yes, even for the Yankees.
3. You would be showing the world that nobody wants to come to NY because of the way you do business. In other words, its the 80′s all over again.
To put it simply, the “advice” Francesa was giving yesterday would have been the dumbest thing for Cashman to take, not only to close Sabathia, but to close ANYBODY.
Its why we had so many spirited discussions about it yesterday. It was dumbell advice, given by a dumbell, to appease dumbells.
It wasn’t something logical to those of us who have participated in sensitive negotiations in our careers.
Its more than just, “we are the Yankees, take the money or screw you”. Its about working through the issues with the people involved.
There is a reason why Cash is so well liked by players in the game. He is sensitive to their needs and has very good people skills.
The people skills had as much to do with closing the deal as the money. The two go hand in hand.
Cashman deserves a lot of credit for closing this deal. If folks are going to rip him when things don’t go right, its only fair they tip their cap to him when things go well.
Lowe as a 3rd starter would not be awful.
7/160 is insane
7 year 160 per OLney
7 yr/$160 mil
Deal according to Buster Olney.
CC close to agree 7/$160. The highest paid pitcher!!!!
7yrs/$160M?
Holy Cow.
this on espn
now i am pissed
Newsday also reporting CC will be hitting various all-you can eat buffets in the NY-metro area. Oops! I mean, they are also reporting he will be a Yankee.
http://weblogs.newsday.com/spo.....kees/blog/
I know SJ but it will be high comedy today when Mr. Diet Coke tries to spin this
DAMMIT, PETER! WAKE UP!
“Lowe’s pitched under postseason pressure better than any current Yankees pitcher (as always, save Mo)…….including Sabathia.”
Fredo, not to be a broken record on this one, but he did it in his contract year, after putting in an entirely mediocre season.
I don’t ever count what a pitcher does pitching for the NL, and especially in Cheech and Chongville. Hell, I could pitch a no hitter in fan-friendly LA.
wow, all 4 of us posted on the same time. lol
i am still happy we got him but we beat our own offer.
when are we going to learn?
this is less yearly though.
“The people skills had as much to do with closing the deal as the money.”
PUH-LEEZE!!!!
I’m sorry, SJ. If the Yankees offer is $100M instead of $140M, all the people skils in the world don’t mean a damn thing. It’s a fine quality to have, especially as he deals with other pitchers where a competitive market exists, but to suggest it was as important in closing this particular deal as the money is ludicrous.
7/160
Holy crap
Holy Crap…..7yrs?? WOW.
Buster Olney is reporting the deal was 7 years, 160M.
Wow.
I’m not buying the 7 year, 160 mil deal.
Burnett & Sheets have greater upside than Lowe but with CC in the fold and Wang coming off injury and Joba still being an unknown as to how durable he can be…maybe Lowe makes the most sense. You can pencil him in for 200+ innings and 13-17 wins. Plus you know he can handle pressure situations.
Who started last season 1-5 7.70 era?
Phil Hughes? IPK? nope it was C.C.
So don’t forget, we have him for 6 yrs and don’t want to start panicking and expecting one hitters from the get go, and get him emotional eating and strangling Joe G. to be allowed a snickers bar or five in the clubhouse.
So let’s start off on the right foot and treat him a little bit better than we did with those kids. Who I hope we haven’t scarred for life with vile bile we threw their way.
SA, Trisha -
I seriously hope either Boston or Philly steals Lowe from the Yanks. Lowe also made it clear that he wants to return to Boston.
If the Braves offered Burnett the 5th year then they could have him.
Sign Ben Sheets!!!!
Calm down the Yankees can afford it.
From above regarding Suttle – there are reports out there that he is a very solid third baseman. Don’t forget Montero and Romine – those guys can mash as well. Almonte has potential but is raw. The Charleston line-up was SICK!!! What’s more this year’s Charleston pitching staff has the potential to be better than the line-up last year.
Here is the question – if reports are correct and CC is a Yankee, you have Wang and CC who if healthy will give you 200 +. DO you go conservative – Pettite and Lowe or do you go aggressive Burnett and Sheets? Bearing in mind you have Joba and Phil on innings limits, but you have some in house options to round out a rotation if necessary for some time – Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves, Coke (if he goes back to starting role), Horne (depending on health) etc.
“7 yr/$160 mil
Deal according to Buster Olney.”
Whoa!!!! Have to say that tempers my enthusiasm a bit. Hopefully we don’t hear about an opt out clause in an hour.
Just read on espn bottomline that the deal is 7 years 160 mil, wow!
Sign Ben Sheets!!!!
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I’m all for that
holy cow,
ESPN is doing the whole show on the Yanks. they better not let Gammons see this.
bru,
Relax. Wait until the details are finalized. That could include an option year in Year 7 or a different distribution of the money.
The story is he is coming to NY. Don’t sweat the small stuff.
i think hughes is going to be good in 09.
just a gut feeling.
he learned a few new pitches that are said to look great.
bru,
don’t kill the party!
Can someone please tell me what I am missing? The last time Derek Lowe was in the AL East he had an ERA close to 6? Why do we think he could compete now? Maybe I’m crazy or just rather than all the upside with Burnett. I’ll be the first to go on record saying signing Derek Lowe will be regretted by the All Star break.
I know pitchers are an injury risk; however, CC will be 35 when this deal is over. He will be younger then Pettitte and Moose were this season.
since the Yanks trainer is also in Vegas, could Sabathia just take the physical back in Vegas then have a press conference next week???
the yankees have a history of this.
it isn’t my money.
they did it with arod also.
i’m not sweating it but 7 years is a long time.
the back end of this contract is going to be terrible,no way around it.
they should frontload the crap out of it.
“I’ll be the first to go on record saying signing Derek Lowe will be regretted by the All Star break.”
no you not.
jason
December 10th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Calm down the Yankees can afford it.
From above regarding Suttle – there are reports out there that he is a very solid third baseman. Don’t forget Montero and Romine – those guys can mash as well. Almonte has potential but is raw. The Charleston line-up was SICK!!! What’s more this year’s Charleston pitching staff has the potential to be better than the line-up last year.
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Sorry, but there was nothing “solid” about Suttle’s defense at third base. He was as bad on defense as Angelini and Snyder was. That team had offense and pitching but nearly 90 errors from 2nd, SS and 3rd base was beyond brutal and cost CXharleston the league title.
“Calm down the Yankees can afford it.”
Ya know. That’s right. If we lost him people would be blitching. Give this the credit it’s due. Cashman did a great job for us.
Meanwhile Sherman is reporting that he believes that CC had already told Cashman in a previous meeting that he wanted to be a Yankee, and Cashman did what he had to in order to seal the deal.
Good for us.
Buster Olney now on ESPN. I am now officially late for work.
Olney saying there is no preliminary agreement but it is very close and it is clear to see that it will happen.
“Fredo, not to be a broken record on this one, but he did it in his contract year, after putting in an entirely mediocre season.”
Trish, his 2004 regular season wasn’t even good enough to call mediocre, but ever since he’s been consistently solid. Seems as he’s aged, he’s settled down in terms of his off the field activities. He’s 200 IP reliable and he has come up big in the important moments several times. Burnett and Sheets have never faced a big moment that I’m aware of as they’ve combined for ZERO postseason innings over careers with small/medium market teams.
I think CC’s signing will get things buzzing in the hot stove league. Now that the Angels have no bargaining chip (saying they will make a CC offer, even though they don’t want to), they will get to signing Tex for more than they wanted.
Burnett and Lowe will get signed by Friday too.
I would rather have Ben Sheets for two years though than either Lowe or Burnett, AS LONG AS, Burnett doesn’t go to Boston. Then I say give him five years. (Carl Pavano II here we come).
Trisha,
When are you going to learn? As a lawyer, you put off the clients for a little while until the Yankee news is free and clear.
That’s what I do.
Cancelled two client meetings until this afternoon.
Get your priorities straight! lol
Do you want CC or not? What’s an extra $20 million over 7 years? Or would you rather we give that money to Sidney Ponson? It’s like the extra $20 mil would have been given to the fans or something. He’ll be 35 in 7 years. Or would you rather give Pettitte $16 mil again, and have Sidney Ponson in the rotation again?
“I’m not buying the 7 year, 160 mil deal.”
You do have to wonder, I suppose. That actually diminishes the AAV of the deal.
Guys, I think Pete bit the big one.
Item of interest and exhibit A:
one half eaten in and out burger.
Josh – as Ed said, you will not be the first! YOU are not missing a thing. In my opinion, the Lowe seekers are the ones who really have it wrong.
Meanwhile, when you have a Red Sox fan come on and say that they want no part of Lowe (and totally affirm the guy is a headcase you has major meltdowns under pressure – unless he’s in a contract year) you really need to pay attention!
Ugh. Here we go. Buster Olney, the proverbial wet blanket, ladies and gentlemen.
i love the signing but would not be upset if they told him to take a walk.
it has been proven time & time again that a contract like that is not needed.
i will remember all these comments in a few years when cc has a 4.5 era & wang is better than him.
7/160 is a lower AAV.
I won’t believe this until I see CC putting on a Yankee uniform at his press conference.
Mike F should be an interesting listen. He probably already has his people trying to get CC on the show.
question -
why did Buster Olney said Mike Mussina, Chuck Knockblauch, Roger Clemens **struggled** in NY?
Last I remembed, Chuck and Clemens won the World Series with the Yanks.
…and Mike Mussina did good while in NY.
CC’s A YANKEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a great day to wake up before my hardest final exam in college!
HECKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CC!!!
heyman saying the yankees close on lowe for 4/68
ed- I heard that too. I was like what the heck is he talking about. Now if he said Randy Johnson and Kevin Brown, he’d be right.
But Mussina, Chuck Roger. wth!
i dont think peter got scooped by the post. the post will print anything… other papers like the lo hud and daily news actually wait until there’s some evidence!
ESPN just scrolled that when CC was offered the 160 million his eyes glassed over and said about NY te following:
“I want to go to there”
I don’t want LOWE!! I will not watch a game he pitches! He will be awful.
17 million a year for lowe.
if they do not win it all for a few years look out.
“When are you going to learn? As a lawyer, you put off the clients for a little while until the Yankee news is free and clear.”
SJ, woe-hoe, I am in the heart of RS Nation! I am going to have some mighty miffed clients today!!! Especially because my office is basically a Yankee shrine!!!!!
He he he he he.
Okay seriously I am biting the bullet and going to work. SERIOUSLY I AM!
Keep the fires burning, my lucky duck brothers and sisters!
Lowe is 35 years old . .4 years . . THATS INSANE !! . . NO WAY Cashman . . Get Burnett !
jennifer,
I thought Gammons has something to do with.
lol
The first year Clemens was in NY wasn’t pretty.
Chuck’s career in NY ended when he was hitting Keith Olbermann’s mom with throws more than he was hitting Tino with them.
They both struggled, despite winning in NY.
Moose actually handled it all better than anyone in recent memory.
Fredo Corleone
December 10th, 2008 at 9:09 am
“I’m not buying the 7 year, 160 mil deal.”
You do have to wonder, I suppose. That actually diminishes the AAV of the deal.
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I might see a 7th year team mutual option and no buyout, but can’t imagine them going the straight extra year. Although Sabathia could conceivably sign one last 4-5 year contract, it’s more likely to happen at age 34 than age 35.
Dave Eiland will be happy to give up No. 52.
Much work left for Cashman to do. Get Ty Wigginton from Houston as the utility guy and keep working on a CF deal.
Either sign Burnett, get Zack Greinke in a deal or preferably both.
Teixeira will sign with the Angels. They can’t lose him now after trading a good 1st baseman in Casey Kotchman last July to get Teixeira. Losing him plus K-Rod, and Angel fans will be in an uproar.
Say No to Lowe . .thats crazy !!
“heyman saying the yankees close on lowe for 4/68″
NOOOOOOO!!!
where the hell is Boston and Phillies? STEAL LOWE FROM THE YANKS!!!!
If they went to 7 years guaranteed, which we don’t yet know if they did or if it’s an option year with a buyout option, it could very well mean he had 120 on the table from another team, so we upped our offer to say, ok, you’re willing to take 20M less, how about 40M less?
But I agree with SJ, the news is that he’s coming. The contract reports don’t mean much until the deal is final and I doubt Cashman upped our offer without either another offer on the table, or without a team option involved (buyout or the 7th year could just be a team option, not a player option).
jennifer
it looks like it might happen.
absolute insanity.
it is not the money it is the years.
boston,the rays do it without these insane contracts but the yankees can’t.
i guess time will tell.if they go on a tear it will be justified.
SJ,
Clemens thought he had to be someone else when he first came to NY. Chuck struggled in his last year with NY right?
Santana’s 6 year/137.5 Mil contract is actually a higher annual salary than CC’s reported 7 year/160 Mil.
Lowe for 4 years seems to make more sense than AJ for 5. Plus, Lowe has a better history of taking the ball every 5th day. Seems like what you want for a no. 3-4 starter.
Wonder how ol PETE GAMMONS is taking the news??? HAHAHAHA!!
Heyman=A Scott Boras shill.
I’d wait on that one a little bit.
That may be Heyman looking to stroke the fires for Boras re: Lowe.
7 for 160 is ok as we went down in the per year number from 23.3 to 22.8 – Now we have payroll flexibility
As far as Lowe goes I think it’s crazy. 68 mill for 4 years for a 36 year old pitcher. Think about it, we signed CC for 7 years which takes him through the age of 35. And now we are offering 68 mill for 4 years to a 36 yr old?
Makes no sense to me.
Sign AJ or Sheets.
And Tex is the real deal. We should be going for him.
although it sounds like we added a 7th year to set us apart further from other offers… so it might be guaranteed. 6 years was a lot for a pitcher, 7 seems crazy. But we are that desperate right now and he is an elite and young pitcher.
Gammons seen bawling in the arms of Theo Epstein.
“why did Buster Olney said Mike Mussina, Chuck Knockblauch, Roger Clemens struggled in NY?”
At times they did. Chuck Knoblauch went all Steve Sax. Mussina was a below league average pitcher in 2004, 2005, and 2007. Clemens was not at all good his 1st season with the Yankees (4.60 ERA, 1.46 WHIP), but had a solid postseason and 2002 was a rough year (4.35 ERA, weak postseason). Still, in general they definitely got more good than bad from those guys.
Gammons is rocking himself in a chair. He is going crazy with the thought that CC will be a Yankee.
if the 7/160 means we don’t get Burnett or Lowe, then it is ok.
SJ44:
I love/value your posts. However, i do disagree with your outlook on the remainder of the rotation All factors considered, the following rotation would suffice:
CC
Wang
Sheets
Pettitte
Joba
unless Sheets refuses to take a 2 yr contract (or 3/4 years with a vesting option), then there is no need to look at Burnett and Lowe. It would be overkill. And we effectively eliminate any future slots in the rotation for our plethora of starting pitching prospects (Hughes, McCallister, Betances, Brackman, Garcia, De La Rosa, Banulos, and others)
Please no Lowe!!
What would Francesca be thinking right now
SJ – while you may be right about Heymann and Boras, I still would be wary of 5 years for AJ, vs. only 4 for Lowe.
the BIG DADDY is comin to NY baby!!!!!
Where the heck is Pete with an update? I hope he is okay, he is not one to let breaking news like this slip by!
CC and they still have Phil Hughes…..Damn that should put to sleep that whole Santana issue……This is much better…..
Dassit
December 10th, 2008 at 9:22 am
What would Francesca be thinking right now
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We’ll seeing that he was planning on call out sick today, he won’t be there.
“What would Francesca be thinking right now”
how to brag how he was “right” about CC coming to NY?
jennifer,
probably either sleeping or at the tables. lol
Knoblauch had one season with NYY that could be seen as quality offense. That was in 1999. That was also the same year that his defense went into the dumper.
Olney isn’t citing Sherman as his “source.” The article on espn.com mentions Sherman as breaking it first, but talking about the 7/160, it appears to be Olney’s sources.
Yahoo!!!! That was the best misunderdtanding ever!
PAT M
December 10th, 2008 at 9:24 am
CC and they still have Phil Hughes…..Damn that should put to sleep that whole Santana issue……This is much better…..
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Just as importantly, they didn’t cave in on the reported final request of Wang instead of Hughes.
sheets for 2 yrs makes sense but lowe is never hurt.
no way of telling.
lowe will take the ball every 5 days but 17 million a year.
it would be nice to see the yankees sign a player for market value.
lowe at 14 million maybe for 3 years.
it always seems like it is a year or two too much & always a couple of million too high.
where are u Pete? Man u must have gotten wasted last night…how are u missing this story???
The Yankees are making every effort so that they don’t need CC to go 24-4 to win. When the Yanks were winning WS titles it wasn’t about one ace. It was about a staff of at least 4 guys that could take the ball on any given day and be expected to win. That’s what it’s about. Lowe is a sinkerball pitcher who has no injury history. And he takes the ball every 5th day. You have to pay for that. I like him. Whoever signs him will have to give him years though. He can get a 2 year contract from anybody.
well… 7/160 is 22.9 million dollars. 6/140 is 23.3 million dollars. We saved $400,000 a year! It’s a deal! Right?
“where are u Pete? Man u must have gotten wasted last night…how are u missing this story???”
after Sherman beat him to the story, he prolly said “to hell with it”. Let the man sleep.
coming?
December 10th, 2008 at 9:24 am
“What would Francesca be thinking right now”
how to brag how he was “right” about CC coming to NY?
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What’s the over/under on how many callers he hangs up on for ragging him about yesterday’s meltdown.
a guy on wfan right now made a good point.
we are paying cc a million more than santanna,lost no prospects & basically replaced giambi’s contract with sabathia’s.
not bad if i look at it that way.
Well played, Cashmoney. But this is only part one.
My $$$ says they sign (in order)
Sheets
Burnett…
and Pettitte.
Why? Assume Sheets and/or Burnett get injured at some point. Who is left to take their place? Ummm???
Joba (on an innings leash), but ready for 10?
Hughes (also on an innings leash) but ready for 10?
IPK (trade bait) but ready for 10?
Sheets on a two year, “prove it to me” contract makes sense given the pitchers in the wings (oh yeah, forgot about Brackman).
Sox get Tex? Who cares, actually?
I understand everyone being thrilled this morning. I’m excited CC is coming to the Bronx. But 7/160? That’s hard to swallow. If no one else was close, why did they ahve to add an extra year and 20 million to the deal?
I hope this report is wrong (Olney has been wrong before).
I felt a lot better at 6/140 than 7/160. We basically had to beg him AND add another 20 million. Ouch.
I really want AJ .
I don’t see how giving a guy 160 million can be classified as “well played”.
We basically handed CC the pen and told him to write out the check.
I need to get some work done now if I wanna spend my afternoon giggling at the diet coke king.
Ok finish up with Sabathia and go get Sheets and Pettitte.
From a greed perspective, get Burnett too!
Wang
CC
Sheets
Burnett
Pettitte
This means we can keep Joba in the pen (Starter in Spring Training, and move to the pen until someone gets hurt)
He would make a good replacement in 2 years for Rivera.
what’s with all the hatred for Lowe? we’re not looking for him to be a #1 or even a #2. He’d be a #3 or 4 and soon to be #4 or 5 (whenever Joba’s off an innings limit, provided he proves he can be healthy for 200/year). I agree 4/68 is too much, but he’s a solid back of the rotation guy that won’t cost too much (relatively speaking) or too long. I wouldn’t go more than 4 years though.
The Yanks have money. Teams in California have the weather and the laid back lifestyle to offer. They use it to their advantage. Why shouldn’t the Yanks use the extra money to their advantage?
Lowe was a head case when he was in Boston. He might go out there every five days, but so did Jeff Weaver. Lowe will have an ERA of about 4.50 if he pitches again in the A.L. East.
As always, the steady and reliable Tim Kirkjian never wavered or flinched in saying that C.C. would be a Yankee. Guys like Buster Olney, Jason Stark, and others flip-flop on a daily basis.
Heyman is reporting a 4/66 offer with Lowe.
If true, that takes AJ out of the mix and its down to Sheets and Pettitte for the final spot.
One thing about Lowe. Sinkerball pitcher, gives you innings, isn’t afraid of the bright lights.
He also isn’t hurt a lot. If they don’t get Burnett, I wouldn’t be broken up by Lowe.
I am interested though in seeing what AJ wants to do.
If he wants to come to NY, now is the time to pull the trigger.
Francesca- http://tinyurl.com/68yj49
“What’s the over/under on how many callers he hangs up on for ragging him about yesterday’s meltdown”
if i knew my call would make it on-air, i would call him out. However, don’t expect i would make it past his ‘handlers’
wow lets talk about Nick Punto not cc
Pete must have had a rough night on the $10 blackjack tables. The bad thing about cheap blackjack tables is that you can drink a lot of free booze.
After this deal, please don’t throw 65 million at Burnett.
If he gets a 5th year what are they gonna throw 80 million at him?
Do Sheets, Pettitte or both. No Burnett. No Lowe.
Miggs
December 10th, 2008 at 9:31 am
I hope this report is wrong (Olney has been wrong before).
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Oh, come on, Miggs. Name the last 200 times that Olney has been wrong.
This year.
oh yeah,
what does LeBron James, Torri Hunter, and Jimmie Rollins have in common?
they all knew CC would be coming to the Yanks.
Yeah, SJ, but what if AJ wants that 5th year, because someone else will do it – Do you committ a 5-year deal to him, or go with Lowe for the 4?
“Sheets on a two year, “prove it to me” contract makes sense given the pitchers in the wings”
That assumes he’d take such a contract, which it doesn’t seem so far that he would have to. someone will give him a better offer.
This is no time to play it safe and spend a lot of money on Lowe. Take a chance on AJ. If he pans out you have the best rotation in the big leagues and Hughes and Joba have the time that they need to develop.
what it comes down to is that the yankees have to win the ws or get in it a few times soon or all of this is a complete waste.
we would of done fine with sheets,pettitte,trading for a pitcher or signing burnett or lowe & getting a good cf.
i think the yankees need to learn from the red sox & not go over 4 years unless it is worth it.
it will not be pretty if the yankees sign cc,lowe,sheets & are in 3rd place.
They all have said a lot of good things about Ben Sheets this week. I think he is their next target, especially for just a 2 year contract.
I think they need to cave to Pettitte. I think 16 is too much, but if you are going to pay Lowe 16.5 a year, of course Pettitte will feel jipped.
Give the real Yankee the money if you are throwing it around. Ill take Andy for one/two more years over Lowe for 4.
Gb how do you feel about 7/160? And now they’re throwing obscene numbers at Lowe and Burnett too.
Its like all of a sudden Cashman lost his patience and is just upping offers left and right. What happened to less long term bloated contracts? I can live with 7/160 on CC. But not if you add 80 for Burnett (ughh) or 65 for Lowe.
Chris NY
December 10th, 2008 at 9:33 am
what’s with all the hatred for Lowe?
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Because he’s a sell-out, and he played the Yankees, and, because……..
I would do 5 for Burnett over 4 for Lowe. With such pitching depth in the minors, and $$$ to burn, you can afford that luxury.
Well played in that they got what they want–power lefty in his prime, locked up for the next 7 years.
God could we please not sign Lowe for 4 years? That’s insane. He had ERA in the mid three’s pitching in the NL west, where no one can hit. That translates to ERA over 4 in the AL east.
Don’t understand that potential signing…
Why not roll the dice with Sheets and bring Pettitte back?
I wonder if some of the young arms are trade bait now…
Can you believe that we probably just landed CC and are saying who’s next ? Lowe ? Burnett ? Both ? Sheets. A little spoiled, not ? Ha ha!
man we go from no news to the hot stove blowing up.i like it.
reports coming out that lowe might be a yankee by the end of the day.
“and he played the Yankees”
Lowe played the Yankees?
Joe,
That’s a tough call. Knowing I have CC in the fold, if I’m Cashman, 4 for Lowe and 2 for Sheets may be the way to go.
If Sheets is healthy, he’s a better pitcher than AJ. The health is the big thing though.
Lowe is one of those guys that keeps the ball in the ballpark, gives you innings, and competes.
From an overall contract perspective, its probably smarter to go for Lowe at 4 years than AJ for 5.
If you have 3 power arms (CC, Joba and either Sheets or AJ) and 2 power sinkerball pitchers (Lowe and Wang), that’s a helluva rotation.
After K-Rod and CC, things might get going fast.
Unless Boras puts a halt to it.
why does Heyman is reporting a 4/66 offer with Lowe.
If true, that takes AJ out of the mix and its down to Sheets and Pettitte for the final spot.”
why does making an offer to lowe mean they are giving up on burnett? i thought from the beginning that it would either be aj OR cc and then others, but i havent heard that the yankees are not going through with the 4/$64M (with a vesting 5th yr?) contract they were apparently ready to offer him tommorrow. did you read somewhere that they are pulling out on aj or are you just figuring they will now that they have cc?
My understanding is that they offered a three year to Sheets. Fine–same thing as a two year.
The guy is young, but has many questions. He needs a big stage to prove that he can do it consistently. Give it to him. Then you have the choice in 2-3 years whether to keep him.
Win for everyone.
Tom
December 10th, 2008 at 9:39 am
I wonder if some of the young arms are trade bait now
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i wouldn’t trade hughes.maybe kennedy wich i think might happen for a cf.
no way we go nuts with free agents & not fix cf.
Andy will take 10M and like it.
“I would do 5 for Burnett over 4 for Lowe.”
I’d do 3 for Sheets before I’d do either of those.
Pete Abe must have met a REALLY HOT chick at those black jack tables!
I expect Phil Hughes to rebound this year, like major league ready rebound. That makes me willing to gamble on AJ, but after Pavano, I definitely don’t wanna see 4 years for him.
Anyone know how the insurance stuff works with pitchers? If we sign AJ for 4 years at a ridiculous contract (to avoid going 5 years), and he pavano’s it, anyone know how much of that bloated salary we’d be able to collect back from insurance?
I’d almost say give him 4/70 before 5/75…..
2009 Rotation
CC
Wang
Sheets
Pettite
Joba
2009 Lineup
Damon
Jeter
Tex
Arod
Posada
MAtsui
Swisher
Nady
Cano
Gardner
2010 rotation
CC
Wang
Joba
Sheets
Hughes
2010 Lineup
Jackson
Jeter
Tex
Arod
Holliday
Posada
Swisher
Miranda
Cano
Am I dreaming too big!?!?!
Is Pete available?
Do not want Lowe. For that money, take AJ.
I think Sheets is just a matter of time, and Pettitte too.
bru- I hope the reports are wrong. I will be very angry if Lowe becomes a Yankee. I have an awful feeling about him.
Bru – we are paying cc a million more than santanna,lost no prospects & basically replaced giambi’s contract with sabathia’s.
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Not true, we are paying less per year for CC than the Mets are paying for Santana
“I’d do 3 for Sheets before I’d do either of those.”
So would I, if he’d take 3 years. Time will tell.
I’m not sure Lowe at 35 is a good fit for our league or our defense.
Miggs
December 10th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Gb how do you feel about 7/160? And now they’re throwing obscene numbers at Lowe and Burnett too.
Its like all of a sudden Cashman lost his patience and is just upping offers left and right. What happened to less long term bloated contracts? I can live with 7/160 on CC. But not if you add 80 for Burnett (ughh) or 65 for Lowe.
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If the last report was 7/160 mil, I’m not that happy, unless it was an option year for the 7th year.
I want zero to do with Lowe. I’d prefer Burnett and then Pettitte on a one year. I like the balance of having two lefties in the rotation to help control teams like Baltimore and some of the heavy left handed hitters. That’s also why I prefer having two lefties in the pen….as long as they are good lefties.
Ot seems as if Andy Pettitte is the odd man out.
Perhaps he should have taken the 10mm offer. Obviously last years decision to take Pettitte over Santanna was not going to be repeated by taking Pettitte over Lowe/Burnett/Sheets.
Leave it to Cashman to kill a good offseason (signing CC) by overpaying for Lowe and possibly Burnett.
Lowe will give you what Pettitte will give you. But your signing him for extra years.
8:07am: Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the deal is seven years for approximately $160MM – the fourth largest in MLB history. If that’s the exact amount it’s a hair under the average annual value of Johan Santana’s deal.
“So would I, if he’d take 3 years. Time will tell.”
the Yanks are planning to offer Sheets 3 years anyways.
Imagine if they sign Burnett, Sheets, and Pettite.
Joba may stay in the pen as the 8th inning guy for 09.
They just remade the 1998 Yankees.
Great day for Yankee fans, thanks for all the updates Peter, sat at my PC until early this morning hitting the refresh waiting for your comments.
No Lowe
No Lowe
No Lowe
No Lowe
First of all, congratulations to the Yankees for getting their man. But 7 years, $160M? Who’d we beat out? Oh, the Yankees? Way to go! Please don’t ever cite poverty after giving Alex and CC their contracts.
Lowe? For 4? Hopefully the purpose of that news is to spur AJ.
Sorry for being so cranky, but I’m with bru on the terms. and the Lowe rumor/news is simply awful.
Yanks are offering 3 for Sheets?
Yesterday it was 2/$26M
Hopefulle someone helps fix his mechanics so we dont lose him 18 Months to TJ Surgery.
Tom
December 10th, 2008 at 9:39 am
I wonder if some of the young arms are trade bait now…
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I guess it all depends on who fills out the rotation and for how long. Some will be traded, but, other than maybe Kennedy, the best of them won’t be going anywhere. Horne would go if he were healthy. NYY has a ton of 2nd tier minor league starters and even more relief pitchers that need to be moved over the next year.
They can’t keep Joba in the pen, they have to build up his innings.
I just can’t believe the Yankees would waste their time on Derek Lowe, nevermind offer him a 4 year deal. The guy will be a disaster in the AL East, with our fielding. Basically, according to the reported offers, the difference between AJ & Burnett is 1 year and $16ish million. Well, I’d much rather give AJ, at 32, and with superior stuff, 5 years, than give a 36 year old Lowe with declining stuff, 4 years.
Buyer beware with Derek Lowe.
the 10M offer to Pettitte may have been to buy time and see if we can get CC/AJ/Lowe/Sheets. Meaning, give Andy an offer he won’t take, go after the other guys, then come back to Andy if you can’t get them.
But Andy for 1 year and 13M I would prefer over 2 of AJ/Lowe/Sheets, given that Hughes will need a spot very soon.
I’d say Andy for 1/13 and Sheets for 3/39, if he’d take that (3/45 if you had to?)
Poor Mets can’t have anything. Not even a full day to brag about signing their coveted closer.
Pete, what’s the best you’ve heard on what’s brewing with Sheets & Lowe?
Between those two & Burnett, what do you guess is the order of probability? Sheets, Lowe then Burnett?
Is Tiexiera still out of the question or is there at least some consideration being given to him?
Has Pete been kidnapped?
Burnett is worth the Risk . He’s the power arm we need ! . Lowe is OVERRATED . . he pitched in the terrible NL WEST . .give me a break . . AJ knows the AL EAST ! .
4 years for 65 million for low
Chris NY
December 10th, 2008 at 9:41 am
“and he played the Yankees”
Lowe played the Yankees?
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Just a joke in response to all of the Sabathia rants.
For the love of god please get Sheets instead of Lowe.
Pete wake up!!!!
Real World . I don’t think the Braves went the fifth year. .by some reports the Yanks have the better offer as of right now . It depends if the Braves go the fifth .
I don’t want Lowe
Real World
December 10th, 2008 at 9:52 am
I just can’t believe the Yankees would waste their time on Derek Lowe, nevermind offer him a 4 year deal. The guy will be a disaster in the AL East, with our fielding. Basically, according to the reported offers, the difference between AJ & Burnett is 1 year and $16ish million. Well, I’d much rather give AJ, at 32, and with superior stuff, 5 years, than give a 36 year old Lowe with declining stuff, 4 years.
Buyer beware with Derek Lowe.
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I saw some clips of AJ last night and he was overpowering with a nasty curveball. My visions of Lowe are whining on the mound.
“For the love of god please get Sheets instead of Lowe.”
Sheets < Lowe.
Burnett is Pavano Version 2.0.
Sheets **>** Lowe.
Sounds like we all agree Ben Sheets should be a Yankee!
SHEETS OVER LOWE….PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Please don’t ever cite poverty after giving Alex and CC their contracts.”
They’ve cited stupidity, ineptitude, incompetence and ignorance but one thing the Yankees have never cited is poverty.
Every team has its strength and need to play to those strengths. The Yankees strength is money. Until they develop additional strengths, that’s the one they have to use.
“the Yanks are planning to offer Sheets 3 years anyways.”
doesn’t mean he’ll take it. I would think other teams would want to be cautious with him too, but you never know. If someone else comes along and offers him 4, do you go to 4 for a guy who’s got a worse injury history that Burnett (who has also proven that he can very much handle the AL East).
To me, Sheets is more attractive because he MAY be able to be had for as little as 3 years. If that becomes 4 or 5 for him, stick with AJ.
Is Girardi holding him hostage?
SJ – The injury risk is what makes you hesitate. And all it is, is “risk” – there’s no predicting.
But, I personally agree – Having CC locked up, I pass on AJ if it requires a 5-year committment, and take a more reliable Lowe for 4, and either Pettitte or Sheets. This also leaves room down the road for Hughes and/or Brackmann as they develop. So that you can transition from
CC
Wang
Lowe
Pettitte/Sheets
Joba
to
CC
Wang
Joba
Hughes
Lowe/Brackmann
in two years. Not too bad. But you have to have a plan, you can’t look at the future as a series of isolated seasons.
I may be getting ahead of myself:
The Yankees have finally secured an Ace! This is really exciting..
My only concern is CC’s weight. I can’t help but questions his durability carrying around all that extra luggage..
In any case, with CC accepting the deal, it will be really fun now to watch the rest of the dominoes fall.
Anyone have stats on CC and Boston?
P.S. Mark Tex has been pacing back and forth since yesterday wondering if his dream is ever going to come true..
Burnett has way better stuff than Pavano did.
Chris NY
December 10th, 2008 at 9:44 am
I expect Phil Hughes to rebound this year, like major league ready rebound. That makes me willing to gamble on AJ, but after Pavano, I definitely don’t wanna see 4 years for him.
Anyone know how the insurance stuff works with pitchers? If we sign AJ for 4 years at a ridiculous contract (to avoid going 5 years), and he pavano’s it, anyone know how much of that bloated salary we’d be able to collect back from insurance?
I’d almost say give him 4/70 before 5/75…..
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Insurance on pitchers, in particular, is getting difficult to obtain, especially now. It would be almost impossible to get insurance on Sheets and only slightly less for Burnett.
Can we send security to Pete’s room?
Now that we have CC…
I just can’t see getting two more top free agent pitchers.
The marginal return to the Yankees from the fifth starter, once they have the kind of rotation the Yanks will have if they get AJ, Lowe or Sheets as the second FA starter, just can’t be as high as the Yanks could get by spending that fifth starter money on the offense.
Remember, the fifth starter doesn’t make as many starts, and won’t be in the playoff rotation.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves on a couple points here.
They’re about to sign a pitcher (OK a damn good one) this does not mean they ‘remade the 98 Yanks’. Anyone except A-Rod critics know that one player doesn’t make or break a baseball team.
And Joba’s not going to the bullpen.
“For the love of god please get Sheets instead of Lowe”
Lowe ERA in the AL east will be well over 4. No way a back of the rotation type of starter should be making 16 million.
Cashman in his tenure has been pretty shaky with the pitching.
CC is a no brainer. but secondary signings/trades he has been spotty. And this Derek Lowe for 4 y/rs proves my point.
maybe girardi paid the cocktail waitress (or the nice girl he met at the tables) to drug his drink
Is there a link to the Yanks offering Sheets 3 years?
I would think we won’t hear much on any of the next steps, as Cashman’s attention will be to lock down the CC deal ASAP. He can certainly multi-task, but usually after a big deal like this, other things get put on hold for a couple days while things are finalized.
But since he already had the wheels in motion on other things, maybe this time we’ll still see a flurry.
Stuff is not worth much if it’s in the whirlpool.
On another note:
I really hope andy comes back and performs the way we all know he can..
CC, Wang, AJ, Pet, Joba … just wow… Maybe Moose will come out of retirement and we won’t need AJ … *joke
All I have to say is if Cashman leaves Vegas with 2 starting a list pitchers I says job well done. If you heard Sherman on ESPN this AM he really gave a lot of the praise to Cashman for how he dealt with this in terms of discussing the New York issues and listening to the players needs and selling New York as a whole. Also he believes it was Cashman that asked to go to SF to talk to the family another smart moe. Those who critisize Cash for amny thing really need to look at how this deal seems to have gotten done, this is why he is one ofthe best GM’s in the business and most well respected.
Someone call the Journal News to put out an APB for Pete.
yankeeboss
December 10th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Burnett is Pavano Version 2.0.
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This is a bad assessment. I now live in So Fl and was sick when we signed Pavano. I was praying that we beat Beckett in game 6 as we would have rolled Pavano in game 7. That was the year that Burnett was hurt. 5 years ago. He is strong now as he threw 221 innings this year and led the league in strike outs. He is the power pitcher we need not Lowe.
Bottom line is that the Marlins had 3 solid pitchers to chooe from. I rated them in this order 1- Beckett 2- Burnett 3- Pavano. Look who we took and look who Boston took. How did that work out for them?
Burnett is worth the risk and his upside is huge.
Ed, you really need to learn how to use the signs. Wow.
Pete was probably getting noogies from Girardi at the blackjack tables…
Then he went to a few strip clubs, had a bit too much alcohol…
As they say, “What happens in Vegas…”
Just hope you woke up this AM besides someone of the gender you prefer…
“Sheets looks like the next pitcher the Yankees will target. The New York Post Web site first mentioned Sabathia was set to sign on its Web site Wednesday morning.”
-Jon Heyman
Come on Sheets
Greater than or less than, that is.
If Sheets is with us 2-3 years and remains healthy and pitches well, why would they replace him with the rookies?
Sheets can be a 2 or 3 guy behind CC and Wang for many years.
pat,
I’m sorry, but I am upset. There were no other players. It was the Brewers or us. Damn, that Amber Sabathia drives a hard bargain.
They don’t plead poverty, but they love to collect $20M+ contracts and hamstring their flexibility. And then they claim they money decisions drove their arbitration decisions (this is really an excuse, but still they cited it).
Moose worked out because he was incredibly fit, but CC’s no moose.
For the largest contract ever signed by a pitcher. Sabathia’s agent handled this perfectly. He played like Sabathia was nervous about New York and got the Yankees to bid 20 million more than 40 million they bid over everyone else. And the two year opt out, Christ.
Cashman is really overrated.
“It would be almost impossible to get insurance on Sheets and only slightly less for Burnett.”
That’s what I figured. I wouldn’t insure those 2, short of a massive premium that would negate the point…..
i think you guys are all wrong. considering that they are going to offer lowe $15M/yr and burnett $16M/year, then you have to just pony up andy’s $16M.
hes thrown hundreds more innings, won 10+ more games and pitched 150+ more innings than aj in the past 4 seasons. and the numbers are even bigger for sheets.
Billy,
it was a typo, I retyped if you didn’t notice.
“Moose worked out because he was incredibly fit, but CC’s no moose.”
Comparing CC to a Moose is just funny
but i hear you, that is one of my concerns.
I like Sheets. If we’re going with a pitcher with injury history I’d rather go with him than Burkett. When Sheets is healthy he dominates. Even when Burkett has been healthy he has not always been effective. Lowe fits the pattern of old pitcher on downswing that hasn’t worked for the Yanks lately.
Heyman is either being confusing or annoying today. First he said, the Yanks are nearing a deal with Lowe, and now he said Sheets is the next pitcher.
Sign Sheets OVER Lowe!!! Lowe < Sheets.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3759182
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GOT HIM !!!
ESPN/Jason Stark are breaking it: we will get CC!!!
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3759182
Ansky
If they have a rotation of CC, Wang, Burnett, Sheets, Pettitte, that looks a lot like (and perhaps better than) Pettitte, Cone, Wells, Irabu, Hernandez.
A 7-8-9 bullpen of Marte, Joba, Rivera looks a lot like (and even better than) Stanton, Nelson, Rivera.
Sure, this is 10 years later, but that looks a lot like the late 90′s dynasty pitching lineup.
There’s an opt-out? Really? How many carwashes will the Giants need to do to raise $100M for CC?
the yankees will probably have a lower 09 payroll than in 08 so that is a good thing.
sabathia’s average yearly salary wen’t down a little wich is also a good thing,better than going up.
the yankees revenue before the stadium is around 400 million a year & some say with the new stadium it will be 600 million easily maybe a lot more. so that pays for this offseason just by having a new stadium alone.
we just need to get a cf & a few more pitchers and we are off.
maybe this is not nearly as bad as it seems.
i would love for us to go get a dynamic cf.
Funny how people are posting news stories of other sites on a news paper site that covers the same team… time to wake up Pete – you’re losing out here!
First of all, it’s 7 AM in Vegas right now. Nobody wakes up at 7 AM in Vegas so give Pete a break!
I’m psyched the Yankees are signing CC, he is the key to the entire offseason. I said it when the season ended, the Yankees must sign CC at all costs. 7 years for 160 is an insane deal but I don’t care, Sabathia is an ace.
Last night there were reports that the Yankees would top the Braves’ offer to Burnett. I don’t want him for 5 years but I’d be psyched to sign him for 4 years.
Now this morning John Heyman is saying the Yankees have offered Derek Lowe a 4 year deal between 68 and 72 million. That is really overpaying for Lowe and I hope SJ44 is right when he says Heyman is a shill for Boras. I don’t want Lowe for any more than 3 years.
I don’t think the Yankees can afford 2 out of Sheets, Lowe, Burnett and Pettitte. Picking two of those guys would basically put the payroll at $195 million of above. I can see the Yanks signing one of those guys and then going after someone like Paul Byrd. If I had to choose one I’d probably pick Burnett.
Bob
December 10th, 2008 at 10:03 am
For the largest contract ever signed by a pitcher. Sabathia’s agent handled this perfectly. He played like Sabathia was nervous about New York and got the Yankees to bid 20 million more than 40 million they bid over everyone else. And the two year opt out, Christ.
Cashman is really overrated.
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Haven’t heard anything about a 2 yr opt out????
Saw you do the same thing yesterday.
Is there an opt-out? Some here are saying there is. I know there was speculation that there could be one to help with the decision making process but I am assuming the extra 20M and extra year took care of that.
Can an opt-out be confirmed? I hope not.
Did Pete run into Sharon Stone’s character from Casino?
Hopefully those reports about Lowe close to signing are false.
“Lowe ERA in the AL east will be well over 4. No way a back of the rotation type of starter should be making 16 million.”
What makes you think Sheets won’t post an ERA over 4 in the AL? 3.75 career ERA in the NL says he probably will.
“Saw you do the same thing yesterday.”
first of all, why you are stalking me? second, its JUST A Typo!!!!
Anyone see Pettitte as out of the picture at this point???
Vito, bdog375, are you guys serious? Thanks for the breaking news………………
No one wants Lowe, i am pretty confused why the Yankees are pushing this. He is a former Red Sox, and Burnett, Sheets and Pettitte actually seem to want to come to NY.
hmm, if CC’s agent played it so well, why did the AAV go down, and why would he want CC to be a free agent again at 35 instead of 34?
When did it envolve that to get the best players we have to big against ourselves?
I love that we got CC but hate that once again now I have to hear how we are just a good team because we have to buy the best players, and we do not develop them.
And why does no one want to play here unless we bid against ourselves and pat through the nose?
We BETTER win this year that’s all I got to say
and PLEASE no Derek Lowe!!
“Did Pete run into Sharon Stone’s character from Casino?”
Freak you, Sam Rothstein! FREAK YOU!
I used to watch this movie all the time when it seemed like it was only airing on the USA network.
I love that scene. I laugh hysterically every time I see it.
I think we add Pettite and our rotation is set:
Wang
Sabathia
Joba
Pettite
who-cares
Fredo . .Sheets has better stuff that Lowe . .Why would you want a sinker ball pitcher with our defense . Yikes
Pete must have had (or is still having) the night of his life in VEGAS!!
“Anyone see Pettitte as out of the picture at this point???”
at this point, yes.
Trevor,
Why wouldn’t Lowe take that? No one’s giving him years. Boston will snicker as we take Lowe for 4 and they take Burnett, who’s 5 years younger than Lowe, for 4.
Just turned on the tv to get the last word on the CC segment, “…with a post-season ERA of 7.22″
Kay’s on the Max Kellerman show now. They’re playing it on espnews.
If Hughes and IPK turn out to be anything then Cash will look very smart even if IPK brings us something in a trade.
I have a good feeling about Hughes.
so who signs next? Aj or Sheets? My money is on AJ.
Lowe signing? I agree with others that Heyman is a Boras shill.
Smarter move is AJ and Sheets. Pettitte and the Yankees will come to an agreement–for sentimental reasons.
I’m very wary of signing Ben Sheets to be the #3 starter. Sabathia is obviously a workhorse but Wang is coming off an injury and Joba is still young and on an innings limit. Its possible that Ben Sheets could come in and be an ace that goes 200 innings but there’s a significant possibility that he gets injured and misses a lot of time. We need a safer bet as our 3rd starter.
Pettitte’s most likely out of the picture if they sign two of Burnett, Sheets and Lowe. They are not putting Jober back in the pen, he needs innings.
If the reports are true that we signed CC or 7 yrs at 160mil, Cashman needs to be fired. Are you kidding me? The nearest offer he had was for 100mil. Our first offer beat that by 40mil and we raised it again and added years to the deal? This is insane.
And watch him come and stink up the joint. Ugh!
“What makes you think Sheets won’t post an ERA over 4 in the AL? 3.75 career ERA in the NL says he probably will”
cuz Sheets is a power-pitcher. Lowe is not. Don’t let a couple years of Dodgers Stadium deceive you (on Lowe)
the yankees needed pitching & short of trading the farm away it wasn’t happening.
i don’t like the years involved & the fact that the yankees never get a bargain like becket with the red sox but 09 yankee stadium extra revenue is going to pay for cc’s contract in full for the entire 7 years & probably any other moves they make this year.
if they even get an extra 200 million in revenue for one year before it returns to normal wich they will according to what i hear it pays for cc & lowe for the entire length of both of their contracts & some say the revenue will double so the yankees despite the economy are sitting on top of the mountain looking down laughing at every other team.
I’m starting an investigation: Is Pete the only missing Yankees beat writer?
“why would he want CC to be a free agent again at 35 instead of 34″
Because at 35 he’ll have made an extra 23 million than he would have at 34… More gauranteed years are always better, even for a whopping 400k/year less (peanuts related to 23M).
Blech…not happy abut this rumored opt out clause. Is it confirmed? It’s in two years?
Not a great number of alternatives out there this year, so CC really is the best option, but the weight of him leaving after the second year of the contract will hang over this deal in a bad way.
Phil,
He won because he got an extra guaranteed year and tacked on $20M to the contract. When you get into the huge contracts, AAV is not as important. The decrease would barely cover a rookie salary. Insignificant.
Kay doesn’t think CC is fat. “He’s just a big guy”.
“Anyone see Pettitte as out of the picture at this point???”
Yeah I do. I think the Yanks will only sign one of Sheets, Lowe, Burnett and Pettitte. The former 3 are all better than Pettitte and they all want similar salaries next year. I think Pettitte will retire or go pitch somewhere else.
Laura,
7/160 is less per annum than the 6/140 we were sitting on for three and a half weeks. How is that overpaying?
I’m a math teacher and I hate to see the public school system fail its children.
Patrick
That is why you sign Pettitte for one year as well.
Girardi adores Sheets, Girardi will do anything in his power to recruit him.
–M Kay.
“Why would you want a sinker ball pitcher with our defense . Yikes”
So you want to trade Wang now?
“I’d rather have Ben Sheets 20 starts healthy than most other pitchers 35 starts healthy”
-GI Joe’s love of Sheets per Micheal Kay
For all you people dreaming of two starters and a CF to fill out the roster, or still wanting Teixeira, here’s a rough rule of thumb for your dreams.
Assuming CC’s annual salary is approximately $23MM, then the Yanks have about $16MM left to spend if they want a $180MM payroll, about $26MM left to spend if they want a $190MM payroll, and about $36MM left to spend if they want a $200MM payroll. No reports I’ve seen indicate that the Yanks intend to go north of $200MM.
You have to fit any more free agent signings into those limitations.
Whenever a trade is made everyone – fans, media, even players – jump to make some kind of decision as to who the winners and losers were.
But ultimately there’s no way to make that judgment in real time, particularly when young players/ prospects are involved.
With the pending, but near, signing of CC Sabbathia we can no more fully evaluate the Johan Santana trade.
Passing on Santana was likely the most controversial move in recent yankee history.
Santana was obviously the ace they’d been looking for for years. The whole package. Not only brilliant – but left handed.
But they decided to pass arguing all along that they would not pay “twice” in terms of talent and money.
What the yankees decided last year was that money is our great strategic advantage – and we are going to use money to get better rather than use our young talent in trades.
The Yankees have been killed by the media and many in the fanbase for passing on Santana.
But now we can revisit last winter. Take another look.
And if CC does sign they will 100% made the right decision last winter.
It is absolutely impossible for any team – including the yankees – to have more than one pitcher in the rotation who is signed for more than $120M long term. You just cannot accept that kind of risk. That’s why the mets and the giants were never serious in the CC sweepstakes.
So it was alway going to be either CC or Santana. Never both.
And what the yankees did last year was to make a bet that they could save young talent – specifically Phil Hughes – and take a shot at CC rather than Santana.
And it worked.
Now it is true that the yankees had to do without an ace for one additional year (2008). Could the yankees have made the playoffs if they had Santana? Perhaps. But the offense was still so problematic. Even if they did make the playoffs with Johan there is little chance they would have won the world series – no way the 2008 team was good enough, particularly once Joba went down.
So I’d argue they lost only a marginal amount in waiting for a year to acquire their ace.
And perhaps even more importantly – if I had to chose right now whether to have CC for the next 5 years or Santana I’d pick CC, based on his stuff at this current moment.
Santana was terrific for the mets last year – but there’s no way around it – Johan’s stuff was down. He’s lost velocity and has stopped throwing his slider. His K’rate, WHIP, K:BB have all got worse and having been trending in a negative direction for a few season’s.
CC on the other hand is getting better. He’s shown no signs of losing any velocity. All of his peripherals are improving.
And the most important difference – the yankees still have Phil Hughes.
If Hughes even becomes a good #3-4 pitcher not trading for Santana becomes an one of the best moves in recent franchise history. If Hughes becomes a #2. Even more so. A #1. Forget it.
I think they’ll resign Andy and that he’ll retire after this season.
The team is now likely set up to allow hughes a full season in AAA and then slot him in to the rotation in 2010. So next year they’ll be able to have 2 starters making league minimum in the 5 man rotation. That’s as valuable a commodity as you can have in baseball.
The yankees took a huge risk last winter.
That risk looks to have paid off. Looking at all of these moves together as a chain – the yankees are in the process of completely revamping their entire pitching staff – bull pen in 2008 and now rotation in 2009 – without giving up any significant young talent.
You have to tip your cap to them. Wonderful job of allocating resources – talent vs. money – in the right way.
Ed,
Heard that, too. But they also mentioned being burned by NL pitchers.
AJ’s AL East experience (nearly dominant) is a big plus for me.
They aren’t looking to sign Sheets as a third starter.
They are looking to sign him as the 4th starter.
It looks like its either Burnett and Lowe as the third starter and either Sheets or Pettitte as the 4th starter.
By keeping Joba as the 5th starter, its easier to monitor his innings.
How is Pete missing this story when he was the first one to tell us that Cash went to meet with CC in SF?
Pete has done a great job, he is not missing anything.
Give the guy a break. Geez.
Billy,
for the 3rd time, its a typo. plus, math is my weakness and i didn’t pay much attention when i was in high school.
YankeeRay :
i do too about hughes.
he looked good recently & scouts said that also.he has learned a cutter & is feeling comfortable about throwing more than just a fb & curve.
i don’t know for sure but i have a gut feeling that the yankees are going to have a hard time keeping him out of the rotation.
one injury concern from joba & joba goes to the pen imo.
“And watch him come and stink up the joint. Ugh!”
That’s the spirit! Expect the worst before he’s even signed the contract.
A few stats from a previous thread:
i) Last year, with Wang out, Joba injured, and a cast of thousands, we had a better ERA then in 2007
2) Our fielding Independent ERA (FIP) was 3rd in the AL
3) Our FIP was better then Boston’s and TB’s.
4) We LOST 22 games where we held the opposition to 4 runs or less. TWENTY TWO! If we win just 1/3 of those games, we finish ahead of Boston
Now we have CC replacing Moose. A (hopefully) healthier Wang (hold the jokes) and hopefully a healthier and more mature Joba. I would like the 4th guy to be Andy.
So…. I believe the 2009 rotation SHOULD BE far superior to the 2008 rotation. Certainly, it is one of the better ritations in the AL.
With Hughes, IPK and a cast of pitching thousands on the farm, and assuming we have CC, aren’t our issues… espcially in 2010 and 2011, POSITION PLAYERS who can field?
Considering over the next few years there WILL be SPs to be had via FA or trade, IF we need them, should we be commiting to 5 years of AJ or Lowe???
I’m sorry… considering we have CC, and looking at the farm, I think Tex would be way way WAY more valuable then AJ or Lowe.
Our infielders ALL make many bad throws to first.
Tex in front of (or behind) ARod in the batting order is a powerful 1-2. Between age and injury, the odds of Tex staying productive over AJ or Lowe must be like 100 to 1.
In CC, Wang and Joba, we have an A+, A- and A- first three.
Andy should be one of the better #4s in the AL
Phil, IPK, AA, Coke, (another name here), a mide season trade… makes for a killer SP staff.
Our pitching, with CC, is WELL above average.
Our offense MIGHT be, but it could be just a little above average. Even with Swish/Nady instead of Abreu/Giambi, or D is still BELOW average. And this assumes Posada can catch. If he can’t, our O takes a big hit.
Why oh why oh WHY risk $80m on AJ or Lowe, when Tex MIGHT be had????
It’s ok Ed I forgive you lol.
Next move Kennedy for Ankiel
About the 6 or 7 years.
We had Mussina for 8 and it worked out pretty well.
I think Sheets, 2 years at 26 million is the best bet. You get a dominate pitcher when healthy. If he misses time, we have Hughes/Kennedy to take his spot.
After those 2 years, his slot becomes one of the kids’…or we sign someone else.
We should not be offering 4 or 5 years for Lowe or Burnett, because we have the arms in our farm for those slots.
Ed, Brandon:
is Kay & GI Joe talking right now on the matter? Or is it a quote from a while back?
Signing two of Sheets, AJ and Lowe means Hughes is finished as a Yank. Barring an injury, he won’t have an opening until 2011 at the earliest.
If they sign 3 FA pitchers, which I hope they don’t, they ought to trade Hughes for offense, the sooner the better.
“7/160 is less per annum than the 6/140 we were sitting on for three and a half weeks. How is that overpaying?”
I didn’t do the math by year; just saw the $160mil. Still, I think it’s too many years. These long contracts to pitchers very rarely work out. I think that the Yankees will end up regretting this one.
“Next move Kennedy for Ankiel”
Kennedy isn’t worth a yerr of Ankiel, and he’s a Boras client!!
Can I please have this rotation:
Sabathia Wang SHEETS PETTITTE Joba/Hughes
And NOT this rotation:
Sabathia Wang LOWE BURNETT Joba/Hughes
Vinny,
Kay was just quoting what Girardi said yesterday.
“We had Mussina for 8 and it worked out pretty well.”
In a matter of speaking. He was respectable and this year, incredible. But how many rings did we win with Mussina? Zero.
People are really down on Pettitte, and it is rather disappointing. He was not great last year, but given the tumultuous offseason he had, it is understandable. I think he will rebound nicely this year. I would rather Pettitte than Burnett, Lowe, or Sheets. Plus, a 1 year contract is a good thing, in my eyes, which the young arms waiting in the wings.
CB:
Excellent post!
Santana would’ve been great to acquire but keeping Hughes/Kennedy as risky as it was (and it didn’t pay off last year) does seem to be the correct thing. Yankee fans would blast Cash to no end had he traded Hughes and Hughes became a solid #2 somewhere else at a later date.
A lot of people seem to not care for the offense because our pitching needs trumped our hitting needs…
For me, well.. I just don’t see the offense of this team making an exceptionally leap and being great this year… not unless they sign a bat..
Yes, it is unlikely now that we will get Tex.. but I just don’t see how you can pass up on him.. He is perfect for us..
I am curious to see what he does now that he see’s CC is going to be a Yankee.. If I was Tex, I’d want to be a Yankee that much more seeing them sign an Ace..
Oh Mark, I am sorry.. I’ll keep hoping you get to us by some miracle!
Oh Sheet,
We had Moose for 6, he reupped for 2. Sucked the first year, and rocked in his retirement season.
Moose is very, very fit. Sabathia can play with a gut now, but not when he’s 35. Kay said it, they’re not expecting him to last the whole contract.
LOL, no wonder CC didn’t want to come. He’s 1-4 with an ERA of 8+.
having Joba in the #5 slot also allows for the possibility/probability of needing to tax the bullpen in his starts, (if that becomes part of the strategy to limit his innings, or simply because sometimes he throws a lot of pitches), given that CC would be throwing the next day.
“That’s the spirit! Expect the worst before he’s even signed the contract.”
pat, do you know how much pressure comes along with this sort of mega contract? I would be naive in thinking that there isn’t a chance that CC won’t live up to our expectations. Just bracing for the disappointment.
“is Kay & GI Joe talking right now on the matter? Or is it a quote from a while back?”
Kay was on w/ Max Kellerman and leaked what Girardi said about Sheets, GI Joe wants Ben Sheets, he said
“I’d rather have Ben Sheets 20 starts healthy than most other pitchers 35 starts healthy”
Ed: thank you, bro
joba as the 5th starter,nice.
sj is right.
we can easily keep him at 130-140 innings if we sign 2 more pitchers & not use him in the pen.
i think the yankees sign lowe very soon & the last spot will be between sheets & pettitte.that one is going to be a tough one.
pettitte could be out but i think the yankees sign pettitte & one of sheets/lowe/burnett.
our rotation will be sick 1-5 with a lot of debth.this will be a difference maker instead of relying on kennedy,hughes,joba,acevez.
“I think Sheets, 2 years at 26 million is the best bet. You get a dominate pitcher when healthy. If he misses time, we have Hughes/Kennedy to take his spot.”
I disagree. The last thing we want to bring up Hughes and Kennedy against our terms. I would much rather an inning eater like Lowe or Pettitte then an injury risk like Burnett or Sheets. If an inning-eater is fading/struggling then we will at least have a choice whether or not to bring up a kid for AAA. If a guy is injured then we have no choice.
Peter I KNOW YOU HAD A GREAT NIGHT IN VEAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but I HOPE YOU DONT GET FIRED FOR SLEEPING AT THIS TIME…. LOL!!!!!!!!
Pete has to be playing blackjack with Springsteen. There’s no other viable explanation.
Oops, that should be Moose sucked in the first year of his extension.
Brandon,
Girardi said those stuff last night. Nothing new, I thought it was but I remembered hearing it yesterday.
Sheets > Lowe.
Billy
December 10th, 2008 at 10:21 am
I’m a math teacher and I hate to see the public school system fail its children.
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Perhaps it would be better for the kids you’re teaching if you weren’t on the internet and started teaching. Teachers are becoming less educated than some of their students. I know a teacher that teaches US History that was discussing the Plains Indians and talking about the Sioux….pronouncing it Cy-Ox.
“If they sign 3 FA pitchers, which I hope they don’t, they ought to trade Hughes for offense…”
I don’t think they’re signing 3 FA pitchers. I think it’s going to be 1 more and that’s it. Signing 3 FA throws out Cashman’s plan of “rebuilding/developing from within”. I don’t know why he would abandon his philosophy just like that.
There’s a lot of good arms in the system.
I think some if these reports are inaccurate. Like I said I think it’s going to be 1 more pitcher not 2.
“But how many rings did we win with Mussina? Zero.”
Come on, Laura. You can’t put that on Moose. Or somehow equate that us signing Moose led to us not winning WS. Especially since he basically put us into two WS in his time hear – see Game 3 ’01 ALDS, game 5 of the ’01 WS and game 7 of the ’03 ALCS.
My feeling is the more fit you are, the more likely you are to be injured. All of these “fit” guys are always hurt. I remember David Wells. Had some back problems in his late 30s, but rarely am arm or leg injury.
“In a matter of speaking. He was respectable and this year, incredible. But how many rings did we win with Mussina? Zero.”
Thats not Mussina’s fault…one guy doesnt win you a ring.
This Blog kinda runs itself, No?
That said, Pete wake up, chug a Red Bull, and get some news!
Where’s Al?
I was starting to worry that he would dunk his head into the deep fryer.
“LAS VEGAS – CC Sabathia has informed the Yankees that he wants to pitch for them, Newsday has confirmed, and the team is “extraordinarily optimistic” that an agreement will be reached for seven years and about $160 million.
The two sides are still finalizing the details, and *Newsday has learned that some of the money will likely be deferred.* ”
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....0560.story
Nice even better.
GB7, Well lucky for me I get two breaks a day.
And I may not be an expert on Native Americans but I do know how to pronounce Sioux.
Glad to wake up to see CC is basically a done deal and now we can move on. Interesting to see that 7/160 number out there it’ll be fun to see what little goodies CC gets in his contract. “CC is guaranteed 3 ice cream sandwiches and 2 snickers bars at his locker every start and every throw day. On days he is not throwing he will require 2 bags of M&Ms and a 100 thousand dollar bar. This clause supersedes any bans the then manager may have in place.”
Mel– CC is more a Moose than Moose!
And GB from yesterday re: Joe Torre, you’re right Sturtze wasn’t misused, Maybe I was thinking of Quantrill. The real point I was trying to make was that Mr. Torre had us in the playoffs every year and kept the players happy.
“pat, do you know how much pressure comes along with this sort of mega contract? I would be naive in thinking that there isn’t a chance that CC won’t live up to our expectations. Just bracing for the disappointment.”
But why brace for disappointment?
The size of the contract won’t change the pitcher – so if people are expecting in-his-prime Pedro Martinez, than yes – disappointment will follow. If they expect him to dominate like he did in a short stint in the NL, than yes – disappointment will follow. If he pitches like he did in Cleveland, there shouldn’t be any disappointment.
i do love sheets for 2/26.
if he stays healthy look out.can you imagine a rotation of
cc
wang
lowe
sheets
joba
The name that no one really mentions which I think makes sense is Oliver Perez. He is 27 years old, has NYC experience and dominant stuff. I am aware of the negatives: Boras, no AL experience, control issues, etc, but he could be a great #4 pitcher for the next 4-5 years. Makes more sense than Lowe, Burnett, or Sheets, who all have either age/injury risk.
I also would like the Yanks to say to Petitte, 1 yr/$10 mil, take it or leave it. Don’t give me this crap about loyalty. Do you forget her left the Yanks for Houston and we stood by his side during the HGH issue? Besides that, he sucked last year.
Sign Penny to an incentive laden deal.
CC
CMW
Oliver Perez
Penny
Joba
Thats a great rotation, and besides Penny, very young.
The biggest day of the Yankees off season, and there’s no report? I already got my CC news of of SI, as well as the Lowe stuff. Pete really dropped the ball this morning.
SUE!
Not Mussina’s fault we lost to the Marlins in 03, blew a series to Boston in 04′, lost to Arizona in Game 7 in 01′, or even last year when we lost to Cleveland. I think we had way more upside with Moose in the 8 years than not. CC is not Zito, he will not be a multi-year bust.
Oh Sheet,
Whoever was on the Kellerman show said that Wells and Sabathia compare because they were both big athletic lefties. But they did mention shoulder issues for Wells.
Can’t believe they were cracking innings eating jokes.
David Wells was in worse shape than Sabathia and pitched forever.
Wang is a workout freak and is injured all the time.
Sorry, there is no hard and fast “rules” when it comes to pitchers.
You go by track records, hold your breath, and hope for the best.
CC is a horse. The guy gives the Yankees EVERYTHING they have been missing since the Dynasty Years.
An accountable, innings eating ace. A guy who is also a great teammate.
Some of need to stop complaining and get a clue.
The Yankees have improved themselves TREMENDOUSLY today.
If you don’t think so, you just love being miserable.
Its going to be interesting to see how they round out the rotation. Probably two of Burnett, Lowe, Sheets and Pettitte.
Damn Pete probably hooked up with someone last night…YEAHHH PETE
“I remember David Wells. Had some back problems in his late 30s, but rarely am arm or leg injury.”
Had some back problems is possibly the understatement of the century. Thsoe back problems cost us the ’03 World Series. Fat bastard, “I don’t need to work out, look at me, I’m fat and drunk and I’m still good.” TILL I DON’T SHOW UP IN THE WORLD SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Something tells me that Pete really isn’t sleeping at this point.
I think for the better part of the past 3 hours he has been seen dressed as a hotel maid tinkering with the lock on Cashman’s door trying to get the scoop straight from the horse’s mouth.
In all seriousness, Pete is probably sacraficing the updated blog for getting all of the exact details before reporting anything.
David Wells was in worse shape than Sabathia and pitched forever.
Wang is a workout freak and is injured all the time.
Sorry, there is no hard and fast “rules” when it comes to pitchers.
You go by track records, hold your breath, and hope for the best.
CC is a horse. The guy gives the Yankees EVERYTHING they have been missing since the Dynasty Years.
An accountable, innings eating ace. A guy who is also a great teammate.
Some of you need to stop complaining and get a clue.
The Yankees have improved themselves TREMENDOUSLY today.
If you don’t think so, you just love being miserable.
Its going to be interesting to see how they round out the rotation. Probably two of Burnett, Lowe, Sheets and Pettitte.
For all you people dreaming of two starters and a CF to fill out the roster, or still wanting Teixeira, here’s a rough rule of thumb for your dreams.
Assuming CC’s annual salary is approximately $23MM, then the Yanks have about $16MM left to spend if they want a $180MM payroll, about $26MM left to spend if they want a $190MM payroll, and about $36MM left to spend if they want a $200MM payroll. No reports I’ve seen indicate that the Yanks intend to go north of $200MM.
You have to fit any more free agent signings into those limitations.
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You have to factor in the money that they could take off the payroll via trades. If they can move some salary by dumping matsui/nady/swisher then you can look at adding some FA’s and be in teh 200 mill range nad north of that is not out of the question since we have the cash cow in the new stadium.
Its a huge transitional year and CC is not the only thing we add. There will be much more IMO.
David Wells was in worse shape than Sabathia and pitched forever.
Wang is a workout freak and is injured all the time.
Sorry, there is no hard and fast “rules” when it comes to pitchers.
You go by track records, hold your breath, and hope for the best.
CC is a horse. The guy gives the Yankees EVERYTHING they have been missing since the Dynasty Years.
An accountable, innings eating ace. A guy who is also a great teammate.
Some of you need to stop complaining and get a clue.
The Yankees have improved themselves TREMENDOUSLY today.
If you don’t think so, you just love being miserable.
Its going to be interesting to see how they round out the rotation. Probably two of Burnett, Lowe, Sheets and Pettitte.
For all you people dreaming of two starters and a CF to fill out the roster, or still wanting Teixeira, here’s a rough rule of thumb for your dreams.
Assuming CC’s annual salary is approximately $23MM, then the Yanks have about $16MM left to spend if they want a $180MM payroll, about $26MM left to spend if they want a $190MM payroll, and about $36MM left to spend if they want a $200MM payroll. No reports I’ve seen indicate that the Yanks intend to go north of $200MM.
You have to fit any more free agent signings into those limitations.
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You have to factor in the money that they could take off the payroll via trades. If they can move some salary by dumping any combination of matsui/nady/swisher then you can look at adding some FA’s and be in teh 200 mill range nad north of that is not out of the question since we have the cash cow in the new stadium.
Its a huge transitional year and CC is not the only thing we add. There will be much more IMO.
“We had Mussina for 8 and it worked out pretty well.”
Pretty well is right. By long term pitching contract standards, his worked out reasonably well….and he was awful in 3 of the 8 seasons. That’s the fear a team has to have in doing these deals. Helps that Sabathia is younger, of course, but some less than stellar years from Sabathia should not be surprising, especially towards the end of the contract. But early on, things should go very well.
For all you people dreaming of two starters and a CF to fill out the roster, or still wanting Teixeira, here’s a rough rule of thumb for your dreams.
Assuming CC’s annual salary is approximately $23MM, then the Yanks have about $16MM left to spend if they want a $180MM payroll, about $26MM left to spend if they want a $190MM payroll, and about $36MM left to spend if they want a $200MM payroll. No reports I’ve seen indicate that the Yanks intend to go north of $200MM.
You have to fit any more free agent signings into those limitations.
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You have to factor in the money that they could take off the payroll via trades. If they can move some salary by dumping any combination of matsui/nady/swisher then you can look at adding some FA’s and be in teh 200 mill range nad north of that is not out of the question since we have the cash cow in the new stadium.
Its a huge transitional year and CC is not the only thing we add. There will be much more IMO.
For all you people dreaming of two starters and a CF to fill out the roster, or still wanting Teixeira, here’s a rough rule of thumb for your dreams.
Assuming CC’s annual salary is approximately $23MM, then the Yanks have about $16MM left to spend if they want a $180MM payroll, about $26MM left to spend if they want a $190MM payroll, and about $36MM left to spend if they want a $200MM payroll. No reports I’ve seen indicate that the Yanks intend to go north of $200MM.
You have to fit any more free agent signings into those limitations.
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You have to factor in the money that they could take off the payroll via trades. If they can move some salary by dumping any combination of matsui/nady/swisher then you can look at adding some FA’s and be in teh 200 mill range nad north of that is not out of the question since we have the cash cow in the new stadium.
Its a huge transitional year and CC is not the only thing we add. There will be much more IMO.
Viva
December 10th, 2008 at 10:31 am
CB:
Excellent post!
Santana would’ve been great to acquire but keeping Hughes/Kennedy as risky as it was (and it didn’t pay off last year) does seem to be the correct thing. Yankee fans would blast Cash to no end had he traded Hughes and Hughes became a solid #2 somewhere else at a later date.
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Clearly, time has passed Hughes and Kennedy by at ages 22 and 24. Lost in baseball history.
Sabathia is a necessary risk. Our pitching has been a problem since the late 90s. I don’t believe we need to add hitters. We shouldnt need to score 1000 runs if we have good pitching.
What does it mean that some of the money is likely to be deferred? Sorry if thats a dumb question.
“They aren’t looking to sign Sheets as a third starter.
They are looking to sign him as the 4th starter.”
That’s your opinion. Frankly, I don’t think they can afford to sign 2 more FA pitchers in addition to Sabathia. If they do, the payroll will be $195 million of above. I really do think that Cashman wants to control the payroll more and will go for a low-cost option as the fourth starter.
Ben Sheets is NOT a fourth starter. The Yankees are not going to spend $15 million on a #4 starter.
Laura
That’s where we differ. When it comes to players, I can separate business and baseball- I don’t tie expectations to salary. I expect every player, no matter what they are paid, to be prepared, to play unless hurt and give max effort.
09 batting order
1.Damon
2.Jeter
3.Nady
4.A-rod
5.KEN GRIFFEY JR
6.Posada
7.Cano
8.Matsui
9.Swisher
i don’t think signing 3 pitchers takes away from building from within.
teams always find a spot for a good player no matter what.
injuries,trades,debth,etc…..
we have no pitchers yet out of hughes,kennedy,acevez,coke,etc…. that have proven they deserve a rotation spot & if they earn one they will have one.
we right off the bat need debth for when we rest joba.
we would of lost hughes & much more if we traded for santanna & now we lose nobody except picks in wich we have the 2 picks from last year that are guaranteed.
we already have an awesome bullpen.i like the way this is taking shape.
Yeah Pete’s last post was around 12:30 Vegas time and he had been at the tables.
I’m guessing his night didn’t end there, it rarely does in Vegas. He probably got hammered, lucky, or both. Good for him.
But he really needs to get up, the biggest Yankee story all year is unfolding before our eyes. Wake up Pete!
SJ44,
I do not love being miserable.
I think CC’s great for now, but if he doesn’t take care of himself it will get ugly later. But all that matters is the next 3-4 years anyway.
It’s not only about being athletic. If he gets any bigger he might deal with other more important health issues. David Wells himself had to deal with diabetes. I’m not talking about from a Yankees POV. CC’s a Yankee now and I want him to be healthy and stay healthy. And I’m not talking about his arm or shoulder. I’m talking his general health.
Looks like Pete picked the wrong night to murder a prostitute and dispose of her (his?) body
“Like I said I think it’s going to be 1 more pitcher not 2.”
There have also been several reports that the Yankees want Hughes to get more time in AAA.
So:
CC
Wang
TBD (free agent)
???
Joba
Who’s your 5th starter? While there are many good young arms in the farm, only Hughes and maybe IPK can be major league ready this year, and it doesn’t sound like anyone in the Yankee organization is ready to commit to them and give either a slot in the rotation right off the bat. We need 2 more, it’s that simple. Doesn’t mean it will be 2 top free agents, but there will have to be 2 more pitchers, period.
It is not Moose’s fault that we didn’t win while he was here (although correct me if I’m wrong, his record in the postseason is nothing to write home about). However, the point I was trying to make is that just because you sign these big name pitchers, it doesn’t guarantee a trip to the promise land. I want CC to do well here, but I’m not going to be shocked if this contract comes back and bites us on the rear.
pettitte
Maybe Sabathia can be the DH between starts!
pettitte is
Let Pete sleep. it is really unfair to expect the guy to be awake 24 hours a day.
It is 751 AM in Vegas, five the guy a break!
They aren’t offering Sheets 15 million per year. If Sheets has an offer like that (he doesn’t as of yet), the Yankees will pass on him.
Their offer will be 2 years and approx 24-26 million.
If Heyman is correct, Lowe will get the bigger deal.
That leaves Sheets and Pettitte fighting it out for the final spot.
Perhaps, the Yankees want to cut ties wtih Pettitte.
Or, perhaps they are leaking some of this stuff to get Pettitte to sign.
Either way, Cashman has said they wanted 3 pitchers this off-season.
He’s got one. Now, we see what he will do with the other two.
Kellerman keeps throwing out that Sheets averaged more innings than AJ. Duh, AJ had TJ surgery.
Btw, I was one of the guys wanting Tex instead of CC before we picked up Swisher. However, I think Cashman has a nice little plan shaping up.
Damon and Nady’s contracts end next year. At the same time, Holliday is a free agent. Picking him up next year, and throwing him in the outfield Austin Jackson (I hope) and Nady if he continues to perform…well, the lineup is suddenly looking a lot better!
The only problem I see with Holliday is that he is a righty. We are actually moving from a lefty dominant lineup to a righty dominant lineup, which could be a problem (ask the Tigers in 06).
Anyone know any other young big bag free agents available for 2010?
2 more VERY GOOD PITCHERS …AND….TEX !….We are going to be UNSTOPPABLE !!!
Peter is mia, hopefully he was not drinking Tequila while playing Blackjack.
Great post by CB, thanks.
“That’s your opinion. Frankly, I don’t think they can afford to sign 2 more FA pitchers in addition to Sabathia. If they do, the payroll will be $195 million of above. I really do think that Cashman wants to control the payroll more and will go for a low-cost option as the fourth starter.
Ben Sheets is NOT a fourth starter. The Yankees are not going to spend $15 million on a #4 starter”
the way i see it, as well.
Peter Abe where art thou?
No that CC signed and Lowe sounds like it will get done 4yrs 68 million I really would love the Yanks to take a shot on Sheets. I love Andy but its time to move on. I rather have a guy like Sheets who if healhy can be another ace type.
“2 more VERY GOOD PITCHERS …AND….TEX !….We are going to be UNSTOPPABLE !!!”
Washington is going to get him they are rumored to have 8 yrs 180 MIL ready for him. Boston is not getting him they stepped down after thier 6yr offer wasn’t enough.
NY fan December 10th, 2008 at 10:47 am
09 batting order
1.Damon
2.Jeter
3.Nady
4.A-rod
5.KEN GRIFFEY JR
6.Posada
7.Cano
8.Matsui
9.Swish
We want younger and less injuries. How does Griffey help us at all accomplish that? Bad Idea.
Can anyone (and i’m actually looking for a legitimate argument, not some smartass comment) On why we don’t go after Jon Garland. To me, hat Lowe is asking for because he is a horse is way too much for someone you don’t know what you’ll get out of. IMO, Lowe benefited from the NLWest and will not be the same pitcher he was with the Sox. You grab a guy like Garland, who is young, will give you 200 innings, and cost you probably 3/4 of what Lowe would. Maybe garland isn’t a #3 starter, but by getting him we will have more money for other things. Sheets/Garland would be much better than Burnett/Lowe mainly because of what they are commanding. Burnett WILL be the next Pavano if we give him anything past 4 years, and 4 seems a little long as well. Sheets will command half that.
Best Case: Garland/Sheets which frees up money for offense (insert why we need Tex or a CF)
CB your 10:25 post was…brilliant!
Pettitte is a free agent, so if Pettitte is your other starter, that’s still 2 more free agent pitchers.
“Their offer will be 2 years and approx 24-26 million.”
I’ve seen reports that Sheets was made an offer worth 2 years 26 million. We are arguing over 2 million per year.
Regardless, Ben Sheets is not going to accept that deal. He will definitely be able to get $15 million for a few years.
The Yankees can’t afford to get Burnett/Lowe and Pettitte/Sheets, unless they want another $200 million payroll. I don’t think Cashman wants to go that high again.
I think its very likely that Cashman signs Sabathia, picks one of Sheets/Lowe/Burnett, then gets a really low cost 4th starter. Paul Byrd, Brad Penny, a trade?
i have a feeling the yankees sign lowe very soon & pettitte is going to be in a tough spot especially if the yankees can get sheets for 2/26.
pettitte either takes a big cut or is gone.
Rob NY — 2009 The Road to Redemption
December 10th, 2008 at 10:39 am
And GB from yesterday re: Joe Torre, you’re right Sturtze wasn’t misused, Maybe I was thinking of Quantrill. The real point I was trying to make was that Mr. Torre had us in the playoffs every year and kept the players happy.
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Quantrill really wasn’t overworked when looking at his years before joining NYY, with Toronto and LA Dodgers. Pretty much in line. 4 of the previous 6 years with 80 or more appearances and 3 of the 6 years over 80 innings. Most of that was in the NL, though.
That one’s a tough call. Quantrill said that it had no affect on him, though. He didn’t pitch well at all with NYY. He pitched for Canada in the WBC, but, before that he said he was retiring after that series.
How much do people think Garland will go for? Wouldn’t he be a relatively inexpensive, decent #4?
Sorry about the multiple posts as I had a computer glitch.
Just the same I think I made my point.
Per Heyman……HANK WANTS MANNY.
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....osts/30845
The yankees need two additional pitcher outside of CC.
I’d be very surprised if Andy isn’t back. Andy wants to come back as it is – now with CC in tow the team has a chance to be very good in 2009 and that will only make Andy more flexible in negotiations. This may be Andy’s last season. I’m sure he wants to finish it with the Yankees.
Andy also works well as he’ll take a one year deal and that spot can be cleared to slot in Hughes. They didn’t go through all of this trouble to keep hughes to block his move into the rotation.
That leaves one open spot in the rotation. With CC, Wang and Joba in the rotation they have 3 guys with top notch stuff. For the third guy in the rotation they need a guy who’ll give them reliable, above average innings. That’s pretty much Lowe.
But I wouldn’t go 4 years on Lowe. I also wouldn’t go 5 years on Burnett. If Sheets medicals check out then I’d lean on him to get a deal done for 2 years even going up on the money to $14-15M if needed. Again, this is assuming his MRI’s look ok.
This is also assuming Sheets would take a 2 year deal. Given the demand for starters he might not need to. He might be able to get a 3 years deal.
Signing CC changes everything. Now the yankees can negotiate with Burnett, Lowe and Sheets from a much stronger position.
All three of those guys were likely waiting, hoping CC would gilt the yanks. Then the team would be desperate and do something crazy like give Burnett a 5yr/90M deal.
Now that’s not going to happen. Signing CC will save them some money as they negotiate with the other 3 pitchers.
It’ll be interesting to see if Burnett is willing to take a higher AAV from the yankees rather than a longer deal from Atlanta.
If the yanks are willing to go 4 yr/68 for burnett vs. 5yr/75 from Atlanta would Burnett take the yanks deal?
somebody go check on pete.
it is after 8:00.
CC
Wang
Sheets
Pettitte
Joba
unless Sheets refuses to take a 2 yr contract (or 3/4 years with a vesting option), then there is no need to look at Burnett and Lowe. It would be overkill. And we effectively eliminate any future slots in the rotation for our plethora of starting pitching prospects (Hughes, McCallister, Betances, Brackman, Garcia, De La Rosa, Banulos, and others
CC is FANTASTIC news but the move from six to seven years is pretty funny:
“I really don’t want to live in New York but I’ll agree if you make me stay an additional year”
“2 more VERY GOOD PITCHERS …AND….TEX !….We are going to be UNSTOPPABLE !!!”
Ha ha! One more good starter would be nice. Do you want to trade for Tim Lincecum, Big Papi and Grady Sizemore, too?
I’m a little late on this, but I think Yankees fans would like Punto. Really good defensive replacement at three positions in the infield, and he sees a lot of pitches at the plate. It’s not like they’d be bringing him in to start at second.
I posed that question a few days ago regarding Santana or CC if both were on the market this winter…Only CB & GB7 went on the record….CC Sabathia……So for those who will deny their hammering of Cashman over the Johan non-trade as well as the Hughes over hype platform , where are you now ????? I’m certain Hughes will be a popular Yankee once again….
Heh, I just updated my blog for like the first time in a month.
Silly CC, making me do things like that.
(This is the best news I’ve had in a while…)
“Per Heyman……HANK WANTS MANNY.
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....osts/30845”
Luckily Hank isn’t the owner! Whew..
Heyman is pathetic, he’s just a mouthpiece for Scott Boras. His line of BS is making me doubt the Derek Lowe rumors. I’m starting to think that we will not sign him.
CC: 7 years, $ 160 mil.
“Per Heyman……HANK WANTS MANNY.”
No.
I don’t see Sheets getting 15 million. If he does, that’s a coup for his agent, Casey Close.
He may accept arbitration from the Brewers and that could get him close to 15, if they win their case.
Multi-year offer for 15 AAV? Doesn’t seem that offer is out there right now.
Perhaps if he waits out Lowe and Burnett, someone will bite for that number. I doubt it though.
I don’t see Sheets getting 15 million. If he does, that’s a coup for his agent, Casey Close.
He may accept arbitration from the Brewers and that could get him close to 15, if they win their case.
Multi-year offer for 15 AAV? Doesn’t seem that offer is out there right now.
Perhaps if he waits out Lowe and Burnett, someone will bite for that number. I doubt it though.
Who else has had the urge to gloat about this here:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/e.....to-be-out/
there is no precedent for a big bodied pitcher like sabathia to be pitching well at age 35 and 36. in baseball athletes with bodies like mo vaugn, cecil feilder, and david ortiz go fast when they go. the fact that there is no historical precent for pitchers being this big and lasting is not a positive.
david wells would fit in one leg of sabathia’s pants. this is really a 5 year deal with the last two years thrown in as a bonus. i don’t see sabathia being even a league average pitcher by then.
that said , he should be very good for the next 3-4 years.
Andy Hawkins
December 10th, 2008 at 11:05 am
“2 more VERY GOOD PITCHERS …AND….TEX !….We are going to be UNSTOPPABLE !!!”
Ha ha! One more good starter would be nice. Do you want to trade for Tim Lincecum, Big Papi and Grady Sizemore, too?
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no but i’ll take lincecum & grady sizemore.
there is no precedent for a big bodied pitcher like sabathia to be pitching well at age 35 and 36. in baseball athletes with bodies like mo vaugn, cecil feilder, and david ortiz go fast when they go. the fact that there is no historical precent for pitchers being this big and lasting is not a positive.
david wells would fit in one leg of sabathia’s pants. this is really a 5 year deal with the last two years thrown in as a bonus. i don’t see sabathia being even a league average pitcher by then.
that said , he should be very good for the next 3-4 years.
I could see the Yanks signing 2 more FA pitchers if one of them is Andy. They could probably get that done and keep their payroll around $190MM, or a little more.
That would do two things. It would leave them some budget room to address the CF issue. It would also mean they have left Hughes somewhere to go, as Andy would presumably sign a one year deal. HUghes could then hope to be the #5 starter in 2010.
Another reason is, unless the third FA starter is Andy, I can’t see the Yanks being the high bidder for the third guy.
Other teams would be looking at the FA starter for their #1 or #2 slot. We would be looking for a #4 or #5 slot. That just can’t be as valuable to us.
So, if no Andy, IMO no 3 FA pitchers.
SJ Sheets getting 15 million isn’t that bad especially since the Yankees will have insurance on him. I think this happens soon, I’m still surprised Sheets isn’t signed, I’m still waiting so is GI Joe and half the Yankees brass.
Someone should call the Bellagio and ask to be connected to Abe’s room?
Sorry for the double posts. computer glitches today.
Must be the increased traffic on the blog this morning.
CB,
You’re exactly right. Pettitte makes the most sense and he wants to be a Yank at the New Stadium. One more year for Andy and Hughes slides right in ’10. Hughes will make starts in ’09 as well, someone will miss starts.
It’ll be one of Burnett/Lowe/Sheets and then Pettitte in 2009.
Bru,
You never know what Pete might be doing. He might be on a plane to SF to speak to CC.
He might be getting all the details for a live chat about the deal– as he said he might if something big goes down– maybe with a special guest.
Pete will speak when Pete is ready. I can assure you that he is not sleeping– maybe celebrating– but he is there to work and not sleep or play.
Sheets already has a multi-year offer for 13 mil per year, that’s only 2 million off. You don’t think he’ll get higher offers if he waits for the demand on starting pitchers to go up? I think its VERY likely that Sheets will get 15 mill per year offers.
Let me put this another way. I don’t think the Yankees will pay $13-15 million for a fourth starter.
Perhaps Girardi and PA were having breakfast together, and Girardi ordered a Western Omlette and told PA that it was better than PA’s triple stack of pancakes, toast, cereal, sausage gravy and biscuits. At which time PA jumps up, screams that Girardi is a liar and Girardi decked him, and PA is still sleeping under the table
Mind you, it’s just a theory.
Perhaps Girardi and PA were having breakfast together, and Girardi ordered a Western Omlette and told PA that it was better than PA’s triple stack of pancakes, toast, cereal, sausage gravy and biscuits. At which time PA jumps up, screams that Girardi is a liar and Girardi decked him, and PA is still sleeping under the table
Mind you, it’s just a theory.
C.C. will not need to be the workhorse he was while with Cleveland and Milwaukee with the bullpen the Yankees have.
This must have been part of the discussions with him coming from Cashman.
He should be somewhere near 200 innings but with a safe lead it won’t be necessary to throw complete games every time out.
Girardi must realize that the stranded runners seen in 2008 can no longer be tolerated.
Pat M.,
I addressed the Santana trade again in my 10:22 post from today..
Signing CC completely vindicates passing on Santana last year.
The Yankee’s essentially traded the oportunity to acquire Santana for: Sabathia, Hughes, Kennedy, Melky, and Hillgoss.
There is no way Santana is worth anywhere close to that.
Again – you can make a real argument based on stuff that CC is the better bet for the next 5 years.
“SJ Sheets getting 15 million isn’t that bad especially since the Yankees will have insurance on him. I think this happens soon, I’m still surprised Sheets isn’t signed, I’m still waiting so is GI Joe and half the Yankees brass”
I hope. I don’t want our pitching prospects blocked for the next 4 years. Or our payroll at $200 million and no money for the next 5-tool player on the open market.
To whoever suggested Garland.
I AGREE!!!!
Pettitte, Sheets and Garland. (CC, Wang and Joba).
I think Garland would accept a 3 year deal for a decent price and we would be good. I like Garland as a back end rotation guy.
So did a Yankees official feed Pete drinks last night to prank him or what? He’s totally passed out cold and the Yankees have made one of their biggest offseason moves of all time.
HEY PETE.
If true. They owe ya one. I expect you to be the first to scoop Burnett, Sheets or Manny.
i see all these pitchers with state of the art diets & technology,machines & they break down more than pitchers years ago that pitched every day & 300 innings.
there is no way to know if and when cc might break down because he is big.
for all we know he is great for most of his contract.
it is a good day,enjoy it & we are not done.
it is not our money & the yankees are printing their own money.
one year of extra revenue pays for all our moves this year unless i am missing something.
with 26 million coming off the books after 09 and tons of extra revenue for a few years why stop now?
why not get in on tex?
Patrick . .you don’t think the Yankees will pay 13-15 million for a fourth starter . What about Petitte ???
Yanks need to get Burnett or SHeets . . Forget Petitte
For those of you doubting CC’s physical prowess and precedent for a pitcher that size to hold up, here’s a great read from Rob Neyer discussing the topic.
http://tinyurl.com/579po9
Doesn’t matter who the Yankees chase now. With what they have they can be in the mix for the playoffs. I look for Cashman to do some additioonal tinkering with an under the radar trade to bolster the offense (even though I truly believe Tex is made for NY) and sign one more free agent pitcher.
Pete, as an employer, I have to say I am worried about you. Staying up late, eating burgers and fries, gambling, and racing around a conference room won’t look good on the resume.
As a fan, thanks for keeping us up to date for the past several weeks. For those of us out of the country, your posts are morethan jusrt news.
As a Dad, get your butt out of that bed and get to work!
There will be few, if any insurance deals for players this year.
One factor of the bad economy. Nobody is writing policies because they don’t have the available reserves to do so.
AIG is pretty much run by the government since the bailout. They are not interested in covering players, especially pitchers, right now.
Ben Sheets’ deal has no chance to be insured, given today’s economy.
I think even CC’s deal will be difficult to insure after Year 2 or 3.
Just a sign of the times in today’s business world.
Its also why a lot of teams aren’t jumping at free agents this off-season. A lot of the teams need insurance to cover their deals. Without it, they can’t afford the risk involved in signing expensive free agents.
Can somebody tell me how to insert a hyperlink?
Ha Ha Met fans feel the need to say “Santana’s better then Sabathia” trying to make themselves feel better with Sabathia being a Yankee.
“To whoever suggested Garland.
I AGREE!!!!
N-O!!!!
signing cc,tex,lowe,sheets will have payroll at 217 million,maybe a tad lower.
then we can look into trading one or two of matsui,nady,swisher & get a cf.
“Perhaps Girardi and PA were having breakfast together, and Girardi ordered a Western Omlette and told PA that it was better than PA’s triple stack of pancakes, toast, cereal, sausage gravy and biscuits. At which time PA jumps up, screams that Girardi is a liar and Girardi decked him, and PA is still sleeping under the table”
Mike, I said in several posts today that I don’t think the Yankees will go after Pettitte.
It’s confirmed…161M over 7 with an opt-out after 3.
Vinny, there’s still 26 million comming off the books next year.
Wait, so the Yanks have actually made a concrete offer to Sheets?
If so, are there any other teams legitimately in the mix?
** Cashman, please, no Lowe or Burnett!!!!!!!!!! I’d rather have Jon Garland than either of them. Or, a flyer on Freddy Garcia.
Pete ran into Jason Giambi and Jeremy Giambi last night.
Anytime you sign a pitcher to a long term deal, it’s a risk. The Yanks had to sign C.C. If he doesn’t last 7 years so be it. There was risk when the Red Sox signed Beckett or Schilling or Dice-K. People forget that now. Beckett is breaking down and the man they traded him for, Hanley Ramiriez, may be the best player in the game….but they wouldn’t change a thing. If the Yanks get 3-4 above average years from CC and win one championship…it will be worth it. If you’re scared to take a chance go root for the Pirates and enjoy being in last place every year.
Per MLBTR -
10:14am: Tim Brown and Gordon Edes of Yahoo report that the deal is for $161MM over seven years (which would top Johan’s average annual value). The deal has an opt-out clause after the first three years, which are worth $69MM.
“Perhaps Girardi and PA were having breakfast together, and Girardi ordered a Western Omlette and told PA that it was better than PA’s triple stack of pancakes, toast, cereal, sausage gravy and biscuits. At which time PA jumps up, screams that Girardi is a liar and Girardi decked him, and PA is still sleeping under the table”
(still on floor laughing)
pa must be involved in something important.maybe lowe.
“It’s confirmed…161M over 7 with an opt-out after 3.”
Ouch, the Yankees got ripped on this deal. Sabathia was a must-sign but his agent really owned Cashman. Terrible deal for the Yankees, my enthusiasm is really tempered now.
Patrick,
Pettitte turned down 10 million, and they are seeing him as the 4th starter, they are going to end up paying him 12-13 million if they want him back.
I don’t see him taking 10 million to return to the Yankees now. Especially, if they sign either Lowe or Burnett next.
Assuming Lowe or Burnett is the next guy they sign for the #3 slot, it looks like the #4 slot in the rotation will consist of a guy (whether its Pettitte or Sheets) making 12-13 million per year.
7yrs 161 Million after yr. 3 CC has an opt out clause
“The deal, according to a source close to negotiations, gives Sabathia the right to opt out of the contract after the first three years of the contract, by which time he will have been paid $69 million. Sabathia had insisted on the clause to satisfy concerns he had about playing in New York.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....8;expire=1
Is an opt out after 3 years good or bad?
Sheets still makes sense over Pettitte despite the effect of their contract duration on Phil Hughes. Hughes will be in AAA for a full season for 1 year no matter what. In the second year, Burnett, Sheets and Chamberlain might not all be healthy. I would say given the injury history of those 3 pitchers, Phil Hughes stands a good chance to get his fair share of ML innings during the second year of Sheets’ 2 year deal.
But for the sake of argument, let’s just say Burnett, Sheets and Chamberlain are all healthy in the second year of Sheets contract and Hughes is mowing down hitters in AAA for the second straight year.
Is that not a good problem to have even if for 1 year?
This would be my rotation:
CC Sabathia
Chin Ming Wang
AJ Burnett
Ben Sheets
Joba Chamberlain
Whether they all stay healthy for 2 straight years is the furthest thing from a guarantee, especially given the catastrophe of pitching injuries we saw just last year on the Yankees.
randy l
December 10th, 2008 at 11:09 am
there is no precedent for a big bodied pitcher like sabathia to be pitching well at age 35 and 36. in baseball athletes with bodies like mo vaugn, cecil feilder, and david ortiz go fast when they go. the fact that there is no historical precent for pitchers being this big and lasting is not a positive.
david wells would fit in one leg of sabathia’s pants. this is really a 5 year deal with the last two years thrown in as a bonus. i don’t see sabathia being even a league average pitcher by then.
that said , he should be very good for the next 3-4 years.
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Wells was 6’5″ and 250. How about Frank Howard….6’7″ and 275 and hit well until age 35. Don’t forget everybody’s wide body….Livan Hernandez…that world renowned innings eater….and eater of everything else?
CB — I understand your point, but “completely vidicates” to me is a bit of an overstatement.
There is no way you know or anyone else knows what Johan would have done for the Yankees last season and what the upgrade in CF would have done for the Yankees over Melky.
It’s not out of the realm of possibility that the Yankees might have made the playoffs and/or won a championship with the domino effect of moves trading for Johan would have caused…not to mention it would have also perhaps affected offensive output of the players who didn’t feel the need to press with the likes of the 2 rookies, Rasner, Ponson etc. on the mound a lot of the time.
That’s not to say getting CC a year later and keeping the prospects isn’t a great outcome, but “completely vindicates” is a bit broad and doesn’t take into account the probability/possibility of Johan’s impact (and the corresponding moves) on the 2008 season.
The outcome could have been the same or worse, but it also could have been better.
That said, I’m ecstatic Cashman did what he did and landed CC.
I don’t like this opt out talk people are discussing now. Don’t like it at all.
“there is no precedent for a big bodied pitcher like sabathia to be pitching well at age 35 and 36.”
randy,
Good morning. What you say is true. There is no precedent.
But that said – what precedents do we have for any long term pitching deal working out? Moose’s 6 yr deal in 2000 and not too many outside of that.
I’m not sure how much more concerned you can be about signing CC for 6 years vs. signing Santana for 6 years. (if cc does get a 7th year guaranteed that is a concern…)
You know baseball – when you saw santana throw last year weren’t you concerned about his stuff? He was still terrific but he’s just not the same pitcher he was 2-3 years ago. His stuff is down a notch – there’s just no way around it. Santana has made adjustments – but he’s just not the same.
CC’s stuff has shown no downgrade at all. If anything he’s getting better.
CC’s weight is a concern. Could lead to knee/ back problems – not doubt.
But on the flip side Santana losing some of his velocity and his slider is a major concern.
Pitching is all about risk. Can’t get around it. There was little doubt about Santana getting his money last year. Don’t know if CC is any different this year.
And the only way to get a pitcher of Santana or CC’s caliber is to grow them or to give them longer term high money deals.
Why don’t we wait until real facts come out on CC’s deal before complaining about it?
Yesterday, around this time, there was “no chance” he was coming to the Yankees.
Wait for facts to come out on the deal. Aside from overall numbers, its doubtful anybody has the details on the deal right now.
An opt out clause?
Well, now this deal certainly has lost some of its luster. We could only have him for 3 years and he could bolt to the West then when there are more suitors.
opt out after 3 years and a contract of 7/161
the opt out? Given the farm system we have, am ok with it.
now sign Petitte, and Ben Sheets !
Pete!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wake Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Assuming Lowe or Burnett is the next guy they sign for the #3 slot, it looks like the #4 slot in the rotation will consist of a guy (whether its Pettitte or Sheets) making 12-13 million per year.”
You’ve said that several times now, I get what you’re saying. I simply disagree.
My opinion is that Ben Sheets can get more than 12-13 million per year. Pettitte might be worth 12-13 mil but I think that’s too much for the Yankees to pay their 4th starter.
We’ll see what happens but I think Cashman will sign one of Burnett/Lowe/Sheets to be the third starter and then sign or trade for a low cost 4th starter
That opt-out just sucked the life out of the party.
Again, how do you insert a hyperlink?
Looks like we’re going to have to give him a new deal and go through this entire dog and pony show again 3 years.
Hopefully we have a ring by then. I’d imagine he would leave for Cali in 2011.
New Rumor .. John Heyman –SI.CCOM –Hank wants Manny ..
Pitching First Hank . . Pitching first baby !
More importantly, would the OPT-OUT be a one time deal after the 3rd year, only.
Rick Reuschal had a long career and he was pushing 300 pounds his entire career.
If the opt out is true, why is that a bad thing? It protects both sides.
If he doesn’t like NY, he moves on. If he does, he stays.
When you think about it, that kind of flexibility helps both sides.
Why keep a guy around for 7 years if he doesn’t like NY?
It makes the deal more tolerable for both sides since they don’t have to stay together forever if it doesn’t work out.
What’s wrong w/ the opt out ? Who’s going to top the Yankees offer ? think about that. If after yr. 3 he gets hurt and decides to walk you let him walk, that’s 2011 and more prime SP will be available. This is an opt out you can live w/ because if he falls in love w/ NY he doesn’t choose the opt out.
10:14am: Tim Brown and Gordon Edes of Yahoo report that the deal is for $161MM over seven years (which would top Johan’s average annual value).
The deal has an opt-out clause after the first three years, which are worth $69MM. The 31 year-old Sabathia will make his opt-out decision after the 2011 season with four years, $92MM remaining on the deal. He would have to buck the opt-out trend (or renegotiate) to make this more than a three-year, $69MM deal for the Yankees.
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SJ – I thought Sheets already turned down arbitration.
Any comments on the reports about the opt-out after three years? In some perverse way it might not be awful if some of the Yankees young pitching comes through – Joba, Hughes, Brackman, Garcia, Macallister, Heredia, Hacker, Kontos etc etc all have possibilities to be ready in 3 years.
Is an opt out after 3 years good or bad?
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If has a great 3 years, the market for pitching explodes, and he opts ot it’s bad.
If he stinks and/or gets hurt and doesn’t opt out it’s bad.
If including the opt out is what it took to get him here, well you decide if it’s good or bad.
CC has an opt-out after 3 years?
I like that. He gives us three, leaves, we save $100Million and should have more starters ready by 3 years from now.
If he stays, then that works too.
“How about Frank Howard….6’7″
Hondo was/is the size of a construction porta-jon
An opt out clause might not be as terrible a thing for the Yankees as some are now suggesting. Think about where the younger pitchers might be in three years. If CC wants to walk at that point, he may just provide the bridge the Yankees need as an organization. The organizational gap (years before kids are ready) has to be bridged. Even th opt out isn’t necessarily a bad idea.
CC seems like a good man who’ll do what is best for his family. If he’s having a terrible time here pitching, as well as his family not liking it here, I have a feeling he’d opt out.
I’d rather have that opt out deal in there. 7 years is a long time to have somebody locked up and assume he will stay healthy with his workload. In the worst possible case we have him for 3 of his prime years.
an opt out can only be good for the player because he doesn’t opt out unless he id doing well & has a better offer on the table.
he won’t opt out if he is 10-10 with a 4.0 era.
just my opinion.
I don’t like this opt out clause. We don’t have an opt out if he bombs and/or gets injured, but he can run home to the West coast if he doesn’t like NY (or has done so well that he feels he’ll get the big money from the West coast teams).
With that said, do we now try to ink Burnett and give him the 5? At this point I’m considering CC to be a 3 year Yankee.
So really… this is a 3 yr deal.
In 3 years, the economy will be better and there will be more suitors for him, specifically on the West Coast.
This is a good deal for CC… no pressure on him at all because if he is unhappy even in the least, he can leave after 3 years.
If it comes down to AJ or Lowe, I can’t believe the Yankees would choose Lowe, the older pitcher who hasn’t been in the AL since ’04.
if ESPN has it right, peteabe did a great job of reading the tea leaves a few posts ago.
this is my favorite quote:
“He’s now excited about becoming a Yankee,” a source told Olney.
yeah, he’s NOW excited. wasn’t excited at $140, but he’s now excited at $160.
kidding aside, i’m happy about this. better than giving up hughes and co for johan, and having to pay him similar money. one draft pick is not a big deal.
3 year opt out? 7 years ? 161 MILLION?
Way to Go Cash, great deal.
Think about it. The opt out makes sense for everybody.
If the guy is great, and wins a bunch of games, he stays.
If he hates NY, he has an out.
If you are the Yankees, and it takes the opt out to do the deal, you do it. It protects you.
Who knows what the market will be like in 3 years. It may be such that CC realizes he can’t do better.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t complain about 7 years AND complain about an opt out after 3.
In essence, its a 3 year deal, unless he wants out, right now.
That actually gives the Yankees as much flexibility as CC.
The more I hear about this contract the less I like it.
Adding a 7th year. Going to 160 million. Now this opt-out.
The Yankees cannot win in this situation. If he pitches really well he’ll want to renegoiate for more money even if he likes it here.
If he stinks or gets hurt, he WON’T opt out because there won’t be a better deal for him.
The Yankees lose either way.
I like the opt-out. You (hopefully) get his best years. And the farm system will be cranking out starters by then.
Let me ask you? Name 1 major league pitcher who was 6’7″ 290 lbs besides CC. So if you can’t name anybody OF COURSE THERE IS NO PRECEDENT for one pitching effectively at 36 years old!! That’s like saying there is no precedent for a black man being a good President. The Yankees wanted CC and they got him. Now it’s up to CC to perform. The Yanks & Cashman did their job. They got the best pitcher available for a team that needed starting pitching.
I’m not a big fan of the opt out. Sure wish teams could opt out of contracts just like players can with these opt out clauses.
Unless they can and I’m totally missing the boat on this as I usually do.
But if some of our many pitchers develop then maybe it won’t matter too much.
unfortunately the opt-out and 160 million dollar figure, will give ammo to beeeitch-boy Francesa, today. At least, he will spin it that way
“That’s not to say getting CC a year later and keeping the prospects isn’t a great outcome, but “completely vindicates” is a bit broad”
G. Love.
Perhaps completely vindicates was hyperbolic on my part. As you point out no can know “what would have happened.”
But that said, how you view this trade off really depends on what you think the probability of the 2008 yankees + Santana were for winning the world series.
Not making the playoffs – winning the world series. The team has made the palyoffs 13 seasons in a row – it’s no longer about making the playoffs. Its about winning the series.
And in my estimation there is very little chance the 2008 team + santana wins the series. The team was just too flawed and once Joba went down there was no chance even with Johan.
IMO this is the far better outcome. To sign CC and keep all of that young talent – which can help the major league roster or be used as a trade chip (which Jeff Marquez already has been in the Swisher deal.)
And on top of that there’s a real argument to make that CC is right now a better pitcher than Johan. I’m sure you saw Santana pitch last year – terrific – but he’s just not the same guy.
To me passing on Santana has turned out to be a fantastic move for the team given this outcome.
Think about it – they literally traded one additonal year of santan for CC and a considerably amount of young, cost controlled talent.
And this equation still isn’t done. If hughes turns out to be a good pitcher – the decision to pass on Santana looks much better. If Kennedy is used in a trade – factor that in.
The yankees made the right decision. There’s little question about it given how comparable CC and Johan are now.
I’m totally fine with the opt out and think it’s a stroke of genius to grant it to him since I’m sure it had a ton to do with landing him. Getting CC at his peak for 3 seasons alone is a great deal.
Once CC and his family try out Greenwich, CT, Rye or the upscale areas of Jersey they’ll be sold on NY long term.
If he hates it and has to walk back to the WC at least we get 3 years of an in prime lefty ace in exchange for our 1st round pick which we would get back if he opted out and left.
It’s a non issue. No one will ever pay him more than the Yankees.
CC really needs to take some weight off….
Baltimore gets their shortstop….Cesar Izturis.
I don’t mind the opt-out. There are only 2 reasons he opts out:
1. He hates NY and wants to go west
2. He thinks he can get a better contract than 4 years 92 million.
If the second case is true, that means he gave us 3 great years. In 3 years Joba could be our #1, Hughes could be dominant, Brackman should be up….who knows what will happen in 3 years. All that matters is that we have CC now.
Just poking the hornet’s nest (like the SC reference GB7?), I like Santana/Tex better than CC/Swisher.
Per mlbtr:
9:59am: Jon Heyman talked to people close to Hank Steinbrenner who say he wants Manny. Heyman says the Yanks are mulling a run at the slugger.
I hope this has no merit. Hank needs to go back to tend to his horses
Just poking the hornet’s nest (like the SC reference GB7?), I like Santana/Tex better than CC/Swisher.
just say NO to Burnett!!
this blog acts like it’s gonna crash
“If the opt out is true, why is that a bad thing? It protects both sides.”
No, an opt out protects only one side, the side with the option.
The opt out is awful, but we don’t know the negotiations. Maybe it was the only way to get the deal done. But the fact is, the Yanks have the downside and CC has the upside of this deal.
Pretty good for CC, not so great for the Yanks.
The opt out is good if we can also opt out?
Who can predict the economy in 3 years. So if it’s still hurting do you think he will walk away from 23 mill? He will end up staying and if not then we got his best years and we will move on. Not a big deal IMO.
Tid bits:
Last night on NESN Gordon Edes said Red Sox would go 10 yrs and 250 mill for Tex???
Mel and Sj44 I have to ask… why do you think the opt out is to the team’s benefit.
The Yankees don’t have the opt out… CC does. How the heck does that help them?
Just think about the contract as 3/69 and worry about years 4-7 then.
I’d still prefer to see them sign Adam Dunn (especially if he’s obtainable for a 3-year deal) or Manny (same stipulation,) than paying Derek Lowe $17 million for 4 years or Burnett 17 million for 5 years.
One thing I like about Sheets is that the Yankees could obtain him on a 2-3 year deal.
I think I’d almost prefer to see the Yankees sign Sheets, Pettitte, and BAT, [Dunn, Manny, or Tex.] (ALthough I realize now that they’ve signed CC, Tex is no longer a likely option.)
Adverting to your earlier post, CB, the irony is that while the CC signing may justify the Yankees decision to forgo Santana last year, they certainly don’t seem to have capitalized on the advantage retaining their young pitchers supposedly grants them.
Yes, they’ve retained Hughes and Kennedy. But now, instead of giving one or the other a chance to begin the season in the Bronx, they’re intent on squandering money on one of three high-risk veterans, Lowe, a 36-yr old, or Sheets and Burnett, each with injury history. Why?
If they’ve retained Hughes and IPK (and Aceves), why not assign one to the rotation and invest the money in a position player, where the farm system is currently deficient.
Forgo Lowe, Burnett, et.al. and invest the money in a Dunn, Tex, or Manny.
BTW, my sources tell me the Yankees still may offer Abreu a one-year contract with a vesting option for a second.
“Once CC and his family try out Greenwich, CT, Rye or the upscale areas of Jersey they’ll be sold on NY long term”
Rockland is nice too. Well…if you avoid Spring Valley.
He is not going to make more money on the open market, so if he opts out, it is because he hates NY.
“If the guy is great, and wins a bunch of games, he stays.”
Says who???
Is pete sleeping one off or something? I know its only 8:45 there but his pager or phone must be going off or something.
Think about it, the opt out is a stroke of genius.
You get him in his peak years.
Will he leave 92 million on the table, at age 31, to move on? Highly doubtful.
Suppose he falls in love with NY, and it took the opt out clause to get the deal done? Well, you never get that chance if you just stick to your guns and he goes elsewhere.
The Yankees can get insurance on the first 3 years of the deal. They can’t get insurance on the entire deal and its VERY doubtful a team would be able to insure a 4+ year deal for him if he opts out.
If the guy wants an opt out because he is unsure of a long term commitment to NY, and giving it gets the deal done, you give the opt out clause.
It gives both sides the flexibility each desires.
“Think about it. The opt out makes sense for everybody.
If the guy is great, and wins a bunch of games, he stays.
If he hates NY, he has an out.”
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I disagree with the line ‘if he is great and wins a bunch of games he stays’
I think it’s more like if he is great and wins a bunch of games, he’s going to opt-out like Burnett (and Arod for that matter) and try to get a bigger deal.
I hate opt-outs because they hang over the player, team, and organization. When CC hits a rough patch, loses a playoff game, and is stalked by the NY tabloids, all every writer and analyst will talk about is the opt-out for the next 3 years.
The opt out is good if we can also opt out?
Who can predict the economy in 3 years. So if it’s still hurting do you think he will walk away from 23 mill? He will end up staying and if not then we got his best years and we will move on. Not a big deal IMO.
Tid bit:
Last night on NESN Gordon Edes said Red Sox would go 10 yrs and 250 mill for Tex???
Oh, Oh…Bobby Abreu is visiting Tampa-St. Pete area. He’ll be absolutely beastly in Tampa.
Yankees should should have a weight loss clause for CC…that can’t be healthy packing all that weight
“He is not going to make more money on the open market, so if he opts out, it is because he hates NY.”
Arod wasn’t going to make more money on the open market either. Yet he opted out….and got a 7 year extension for his trouble.
“Sox get Tex? Who cares, actually?”
You should. My god, is everyone here children?
G Love is right. The opt out is a stroke of genius.
You get him in his peak years.
Will he leave 92 million on the table, at age 31, to move on? Highly doubtful.
Suppose he falls in love with NY, and it took the opt out clause to get the deal done? Well, you never get that chance if you just stick to your guns and he goes elsewhere.
The Yankees can get insurance on the first 3 years of the deal. They can’t get insurance on the entire deal and its VERY doubtful a team would be able to insure a 4+ year deal for him if he opts out.
If the guy wants an opt out because he is unsure of a long term commitment to NY, and giving it gets the deal done, you give the opt out clause.
It gives both sides the flexibility each desires.
Well, there you have it.
Cashman has 3 years to develop a few #1-2 starters from the farm before CC opts out.
Miggs,
As great as CC is, the reason I was against a CC deal in the first place was the 1)years and 2)money.
Best case for me? We get 3 great years out of CC. The Giants do their car washes and bake sales to raise $100M. CC goes home. We have a lot of young good arms that need time to ripen.
We simply have to stop handing out big contracts like it’s Halloween candy. I know we need CC NOW. But if Cash’s plan pays off, we won’t need him 4 years from now.
CC will love New York, but funny things happen when you get older. You want to go home. What I don’t want is Alex redux. Which I don’t think will happen, because pitching is such an iffy proposition.
Its Just Manny being Manny !
I wonder if Pete is having trouble logging in. I get error messages every once in a awhile. I would think he’d just post a message within here if that was the case though.
Very happy to see opt-out helps get the deal done. This is what I — and some other posters — had proposed. Opt-out is really great for both sides. Reassures CC he’s not trapped. And gets us three prime years — at least.
I had my doubts about ability of Cash to go head-to-head with Boston. But in the end, I think, his greatest virtue, which is patience, probably was what swung the deal. And aren’t CC and Cash a cute odd couple?
Very happy to see opt-out helps get the deal done. This is what I — and some other posters — had proposed. Opt-out is really great for both sides. Reassures CC he’s not trapped. And gets us three prime years — at least.
I had my doubts about ability of Cash to go head-to-head with Boston. But in the end, I think, his greatest virtue, which is patience, probably was what swung the deal. And aren’t CC and Cash a cute odd couple?
I wonder if Pete is having trouble logging in. I get error messages every once in a awhile. I would think he’d just post a message within here if that was the case though.
Hate the opt out being included. Don’t see any way that helps the Yankees. He either opts outs and leaves or forces the Yanks to pay him more money if he pitches well. If he doesn’t pitch well, he doesn’t opt out. Just think back to ARod’s opt out to see how poorly it works for the Yanks.
gb7-
at age 28,david wells and and frank howard were not fat. sabathia is fat at age 28. there’s no denying that he’s a big talented fat guy. to say anything else is just denial. he’s got the body of an nfl defensive lineman.there’s a lot of muscle, but a lot of fat too.
on the plus side, the fact there no historical precedent doesn’t mean he won’t be the first to pitch at a high level at age 35 and 36 with his unique body type.
another thing on the plus side is that the US money supply has been increased by about twenty percent with all the digitally created bailout money so at some point in the next few years massive inflation is a likely possibility. at that point, the sabathia deal may not look so excessive. of course, the opt out clause if there is massive inflation would be problematic then. i don’t see how the opt out helps the yankees in that case.
forgetting the money, sabathia on the field next summer is a big plus. he’s obviously a horse that a team can ride at this point in his career.
3 years is enough of a committment for any pitcher. The opt out is a blessing in disguise, as it does give us some flexibility as well. The only way it works against us is if his skills/body decline. He’s a horse and he’s only 28, so the risk of that are worth taking.
If he stays healthy and dominant, even if he opts out in 3 years, we still have a shot at retaining or re-signing him, so long as he has enjoyed success and enjoyed his time in NY. If he hasn’t, then an unhappy player leaves and some of our young studs will be ready by then to fill his spot.
win, win. slight advantage to the player, but that’s what free agency is all about, he’s earned his right to that advantage, just like Joba and Hughes, etc.. will when they hit free agency (and as Jeter did, etc…).
Why is everyone freaked out about the opt-out clause? Aren’t people usually wringing their hands when a team offers long-term contracts to pitchers? If the original offer had been for 3 years, that would have been fine. So consider this a 3-year deal if that keeps you off the ledge. The point is they get CC.
“Tom Haudricourt also learned from Melvin that Sabathia wanted an opt-out clause no matter where he signed, and the Brewers were prepared to offer one.”
I guess the point is moot now. Whoever signed him was going to have to put an opt-out in there.
Can somebody please let tell me how to insert a hyperlink so I can stop cutting and pasting quotes?
I was promoting adding an Opt Out clause for at least two days now. I like it. This way, if CC finds that NY isn’t for him, he can leave and we don’t have an unhappy player roaming the clubhouse.
Sabathia could get a 6 yr deal at age 31 if he does well.
Either way, he is either going to leave for California or we’re going to have to re-do his deal.
I do believe that CC is genuine though and won’t play us.
How does the opt out work? Does he have the opportunity to opt out between the third and fourth year or can he opt out any time after the third year?
“Oh, Oh…Bobby Abreu is visiting Tampa-St. Pete area. He’ll be absolutely beastly in Tampa.”
The glad bag right field wall must be attractive to Bobby.
SJ44, I greatly respect your acumen and your posts, they are well thought out, and show insight.
But I have to disagree with you that the Opt Out is a genius stroke for the Yankees.
It to me is a sign of desperation that they offered this to a pitcher that COULD after 3 years take off, or hold us over a barrel for a ton more money.
Look at Arod’s opt out.
Sure, it was created before he was a Yankee, but due to it, he was able to opt out, and we had to overpay and bid against ourselves to have the privilege of signing AROD to a monstrosity of a contract.
This is the one time I would respectfully suggest you have rose tinted pinstriped glasses on
The option clause is beautuifuL as pointed out by several here….Kudos to G Love for stepping out of the shadows and goinf on the record regarding the Santana / Sabathia / Hughes topic……No shrinking violet here…..You wonder if the opt clause was the deal maker…..A very good day for Yankee fans everywhere
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“I had my doubts about ability of Cash to go head-to-head with Boston.”
He wasn’t going head to head with Boston in this matter.
Have we confirmed the existence of the opt-out clause?
Another reason its a virtue is that in 3-years, Hughes and Joba probably each will be able to pitch 200 innings.
I’m waiting until the issue of the opt out is confirmed – Edes has often been wrong.
But if it is true than its a very bad occurrence for the yankees.
It’s a player only option. It gives the team absolutely no additional flexibility.
The team had already outbid the next offer by at least 40%-60%. Why should they in addition add non-monetary value into CC’s side of the deal.
What makes this worse is that an the presence of the opt out is going to turn CC’s thrid season in NY into a zoo given the media. Just like it did with ARod.
And make no mistake about it – if CC is terrific for 3 years he will threaten to opt out even if he likes NY and the yanks will be forced to extend his contract.
The opt out very well could force them to pay him for an additional 1-2 guaranteed years – could go to the age of 37.
A player only option only helps the player and hurts the team. The yanks derive no value from this.
I hope its not true. Lots of misinformation on this and hopefully this is just more of it. I’d think after the ARod fiasco they would be dead set against any opt outs.
The opt out clause is a GOOD thing.
If he isn’t happy here… he will leave. Why would we want him here for the entire duration of the deal if he isn’t happy or comfortable? It gives both sides an escape if it doesn’t work out.
And if he opts out for more money and likes NY and he has pitched well for us… we’ll give him a new deal and keep him here.
We’re the Yankees… we can afford to re-do deals and offer opt out clauses. For a big market team, there is no downside because if he wants more $$, we can give it to him.
The opt out is the perfect soft sell needed to close a deal full of hard sell.
By saying to CC and his family “if you hate NY, leave in 3 years and pursue your dreams of playing on the WC” you effectively not pressure them into making the deal.
We’re getting 3 of the best years of his career and he’ll be motivated in those 3 years to pitch lights out since he needs his performance to be at a high level to use the opt out the way AJ has used it.
If CC struggles in 3 years here, he won’t opt out as he won’t recoup the money on the table.
If he pitches amazing, he might opt out, but only if he thinks a WC team will match or come close to the Yankees and that’s only if he and his family doesn’t like NY.
I think they’ll love NY. They can have a house like he has in Cali in Westchester, Greenwich, NJ easily. They’ll be living in that house during the best weather months of NY and they’ll be heading home to Cali just as the weather starts to go bad here.
Add all that to the fact that NY is pretty cool and Girardi is going to let CC’s kids dress up in uniforms and run around the field and I think the Yankees made a brilliant move to give the player they wanted some peace of mind in case he regrets his decision.
What does it say about us as Yankee fans that all the criticism of CC to NY from non-Yankee fans on ESPN is that the fans are going to eat CC alive if he doesn’t come out of the gate strong. We need to change our rep.
CC signs 7/160
“This was not about money” – Jayson Stark
how do these people have jobs?
Bob,
Instead of complaining about every move Cashman makes everyday, which you do, think for a minute.
For a pitcher, the opt out clause makes sense. You aren’t tied with him forever and, in this case, you get his prime years.
Also, since its now coming to light that CC was asking for the opt out from all of his suitors, how do the Yankees come across as “desperate”?
Seems to me, its a logical compromise for both parties to get a deal done.
The only people complaining about Arod being here are Arod haters.
That deal doesn’t hurt the Yankees one bit.
I would think the opt-out was absolutely the deal maker. If I’m CC and his wife and I’m reluctant to move my family (including 3 very young children) across the country (and make no mistake about it, I love NY and will probably never leave, but it is VERY different than California, where they are extremely comfortable and happy), telling CC he can get out of the contract after 3 years becomes very appealing. So, he makes a boatload for 3 years, if he doesn’t love it there, he can leave. And leave while still at a young enough age to get another fat contract, or stay and enjoy some more world series championships and a boatload more money.
think about this, once Andy Pettitte got used to NY, it became home to a country boy from Texas. CC and his family may love NY once they get here, you never know (he’ll certainly enjoy the money and some professional success).
Once the opt-out was on the table (which I suspect it wasn’t initially), this becomes a no-brainer for CC unless he had an offer from a West Coast team that was at least in the same ballpark as the Yankees offer, which it very much appears he did not.
“Once LeBron said a few weeks ago “We (notice how he injects himself into the Yankee Heirarchy) are gonna get him”, I knew CC was going to sign with the Yankees.”
Yep, never heard a fan use the word ‘we’ when talking about his favorite team. Great catch.
I will walk from Boston to NY naked if the Red Sox sign Manny for 10 and 250!! It will NEVER happen.
“I’d think after the ARod fiasco they would be dead set against any opt outs.”
What fiasco? The Yankees knew it was there, A-Rod used it and they chose to renegotiate a deal with him.
The Yanks could have built a Plan B prior to the 2007 season or said no thanks after he opted out. Opt outs don’t make for victims if you plan accordingly knowing they exist.
In a couple of years, CC’s buddy Lebron James, will also be in NY.
He’s also friends with Jeter.
I don’t have a problem with the opt out. He wanted it from everybody who talked to him. So, no matter where he signed, the opt out was going to be part of the deal.
You do what you do to close the sale. The Yankees did it.
Three years in NY baseball is an eternity. Who knows what the market will be like in 3 years.
the article in the journul news about the CC deal is not writen by PETER i have a scare that peter is fired or something bad happened to him!!!!! I hope we find out soon and hope he is ok!!! YOU NEVER KNOW THESE DAYS!!!
beside Pete, who is your favorite former or current Yankee beat writer?
for me, it is Buster Onley. Fairly likeable, unbiased, and usually right.
I wonder if Jon Heyman was arrogant before he went to SI ?
Doug Melvin said that no matter what team CC went to, he wanted the opt out.
Gordon Edes can’t be talking out of his mouth.
Unless John Henry’s hedge funds took a sudden upturn, how can be throw $250M at Teixeira, pay Papelbon and Youkilis for big winnings in arbitration cases, and eat salaries for Lowell and Lugo in order to peddle them ? It just doesn’t add up. They’d better hurry and sign Varitek before another team scoops him up.
Why is this opt out clause being made such a big deal? The people who are complaining are giving a West Coast team to much credit in thinking they can just easily sign him if he chooses to opt out. The Giants still will have Zito’s contract locked in and Cain and Lincecum are due hefty raises.What makes you think the Giants can afford him at that point? LAA might lock in Tex’s huge contract for 8-10 years, and who knows what a team like the Dodgers do from now till then that may lock them up into some bad deals. The point is even if CC chooses to opt out then maybe the same case will happen again where nobody will come up with the funds he seeks.
Since Lebron and CC are good friends, the “we” has a little different connotation.
Especially since Lebron will most likely be in NY in two years himself.
If you don’t think they spoke about playing in NY at the same time, you don’t know athletes.
no-one is signing manny for 10 years. he’s having trouble getting the 6 he wants, let alone ten. So far, no-one has even offered him more than 2 (LAD), right?
The opt out gives the Yankees just as much flexibility Sabathia.
This is not a bad thing.
The worst thing that can happen with Sabathia’s reported OPT-OUT, is that the Yanks have three years to replace him. NYY is deep in potentially exceptional young pitchers. A lot of respected people such as PAT M, SJ, CB and others have listed the names and their abilities, and not from just reading about them, but, seeing them first hand.
They now have something that they haven’t had since the early 60s and thaty’s their own stable of cheap, young talented pitchers. Go watch these kids for yourself. Even at 3 years, Sabathia buys time, and if he leaves, NYY gets two top draft picks to develop.
“For a pitcher, the opt out clause makes sense. You aren’t tied with him forever and, in this case, you get his prime years.”
A lot of people on here seem to fundamentally misunderstand an opt-out.
The team, without the option, must assume in all their planning they are tied to CC for seven years. Essentially, they are tied to him forever. In business lingo, the team is “locked up”.
For CC, with the option, its a three year deal. His time horizon is three years, but his downside is protected. Of course he wants it.
Maybe the opt out is “market”, as we say. But don’t sugar coat it by thinking it helps the Yanks.
It only helped the Yanks to the extent the Yanks signed CC.
Maybe, though, there are some undisclosed features that make it less awful for the Yanks. Lets hope so.
Now everyone who was bad mouthing the big guy can shove it! CC is a YANKEE!!!!!!! Get over it or jump on the bandwagon. Thank God the Mets set the market yesterday and got everything moving…
NOW SIGN SHEETS OR LOWE>>>>>I WANT SHEETS IN PINSTRIPES!!!!!
“Opt outs don’t make for victims if you plan accordingly knowing they exist.”
No they don’t create victims. They allow for the opportunity for the party with the option to generate massive leverage over the other party in the contract.
There’s zero benefit of a player only opt out for the yankees.
The only possible benefit is that if it was an absolute requirement of CC’s then the opt out was part of the price needed to be paid in order to sign him in the first place.
But again – they’d already out bid the second offer by up to 60%. Where else was CC getting that money.
But that opt out can only hurt the yankees down the road.
There is zero advantage to the club outside of adding the clause to the contract being an absolute requirement to acquire CC’s services.
Either way – I’m thrilled they signed him. CC had tremendous leverage.
If there is an opt out hopefully CC is a stand up guy and doesn’t turn that opt out into a huge distraction like it was with Alex last year.
But there no doubt it puts CC in the driver’s seat in year three of the deal.
Varitek may have hit .220 but he is the key to Boston’s success. When he goes down, the pitching goes down too. Id rather deal with another catcher hitting .275 instead of Tek as Boston’s Catcher.
In all reality, if CC opts out, it will likely be because he has not found NY to his liking. In that case, we signed the premier SP on the market for 3 years and $70 million. No big time FA would ever sign for such a short term deal, which could work out in the team’s favor.
However, this opt-out could be painful if he decides to pull an ARod and opt out simply for more money. It’s a double edged sword for sure, and it will all depend on how the next 3 years play out.
“The opt out gives the Yankees just as much flexibility Sabathia.”
Not at all true. It’s his decision to make after 3 years. If he stinks up the joint for 3 years, he can choose to stay and enjoy $23M/year for 4 more years. That’s not flexibility for us. The probability of that happening is slim, but it exists. If he performs well, ball is still in his court, not ours, but at least we’ll have the option of re-signing him.
We will most likely have some flexibility if he opts out (simply because of the money we can offer), but the clause itself does not give us one iota of flexibility, it is entirely his.
I’d be very careful declaring the Sabathia/Santana swap a victory just yet.
Not having an ace flushed the final season in the old stadium right down the crapper. I’m pretty certain we would’ve made the playoffs with Johan fronting the rotation. Would we have won it all? Hard to say. But we smoked Tampa head to head all year without him, we wouldn’t have done the same with him going twice in a short series?
Also, don’t forget that Johan has already affirmatively answered the question “Will he stand up under bright lights to the pressure of a big deal?” Check his starts down the stretch last year if you need evidence. All Sabathia has proven so far is that his agent can play the Delicate Genius like a fiddle.
I’m glad we got Sabathia, especially if the alternatives are gimpy Ben Sheets or Pavano II Burnett, but I’d trade his 7 year deal for the remaining 5 on Santana’s in a heartbeat.
Pete, step away from the buffet and post something new! Thanks
Don’t worry about losing Tex.
One year and Albert Pujols is a free agent.
I like the opt out. If he ends up utilizing it, it will mean he had a great three years with the Yanks and thinks he can do better with a new contract. If you told the Yanks today that they could sign him for 3 years and 69 mil they’d do that in a heartbeat. If he gets hurt or struggles with the Yanks and doesnt use the opt out, so what, we all thought we had him for 7 years anyway just a couple of hours ago.
I like the opt out. If he ends up utilizing it, it will mean he had a great three years with the Yanks and thinks he can do better with a new contract. If you told the Yanks today that they could sign him for 3 years and 69 mil they’d do that in a heartbeat. If he gets hurt or struggles with the Yanks and doesnt use the opt out, so what, we all thought we had him for 7 years anyway just a couple of hours ago.
“It is a near certainty that the Mark Teixeira sweepstakes will move on into next week, at the earliest. Nothing will happen with CC Sabathia until next week, again at the earliest. Sabathia is going to meet with the Giants, and if Teixeira leaves the Angels, the Angels will be players.”
– Peter Backgammons, Tuesday December 9, 2008.
“NOTHING WILL HAPPEN with CC SABATHIA UNTIL NEXT WEEK, again AT THE EARLIEST.”
Pete, we love you, you toady for the Nation.
besides pete i gotta say andrew marchand!from 1050 he get some great braking news!
randyhater
December 10th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
I’d be very careful declaring the Sabathia/Santana swap a victory just yet.
Not having an ace flushed the final season in the old stadium right down the crapper.
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No it didn’t. The 2008 pitching was better than the 2007 pitching by quite a bit. It was the decline in offense, for whatever the reason, that “flushed” the season.
Randy, I, and I’m sure most people on here, would agree, except for the not-so-small fact that Santana would have also costed us a lot of talent in addition to the dollars.
I agree we can’t declare any victory yet though. But that argument goes both ways. Santana has only pitched one year of a 6 year deal. No true conclusion can come till both contracts are over, and the performance of Santana, CC, Hughes, etc (whoever else it would have taken, which we don’t truly know yet) can be evaluated.
But good money is on CC/Hughes, etc.. having good enough careers to say that it was worth it. CC/Hughes, etc don’t have to bring 45 WS championships for us to get the better of the deal. They just have to have brought more Yankee wins COLLECTIVELY, than 1 Johan Santana brings the Mets.
mel,
I have done that in the past but it doesn’t create a hyperlink for me so other blog readers cannot click on the link they also would have to copy and paste the URL.
How do people make the URL a hyperlink when they post it?
***cost*** not “costed…….”
Ok, at 12:31 pm EST, I will officially join the “where the heck is Pete” train….. I know there are no clocks in the Casinos, c’mon man, where you at bud?
I actually like the opt-out. It’ll keep Chubby Checker interested, and hopeflly away from the buffet table, as opposed to a motivation-killing straight 7 year deal where his ticket is permanently punched no mater what he does.
If he pitches three years of lights out ball and walks away (or hits us up for a raise) I’ll be plenty happy.
JR
I just cut and paste the URL and it works for me.
Randyhater,,,,I think we’ll be discussing the Hughes and Santana issue in about three years, when Hughes keeps rising in the ranks of MLB pitchers and Santana steadily decines…They should pass each other somewhere around 2011….As stated before, passing ships going in different directions….
JR,
Try testing one. Just make sure the http:// is attached.
LOL. CC was concerned about the A-rod/Jeter thing.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ney_buster
Ok, at 12:31 pm EST, I will officially join the “where the heck is Pete” train….. I know there are no clocks in the Casinos, but, c’mon man, where you at bud?
The most interesting part of this, to me, is that if C.C. reverts to his normal performance, he might end up being a high-paid #3 starter behind the talented Joba and Wang.
Either way, with little concern for how much players are being paid, C.C. Sabathia will be able to help us for years to come. I think if the Yankees wanted to, they would have signed CC to a 3 year deal in the first place. The fact that he could leave if he were not to like it, and go into the declining years of his career in another uniform, well, that’s great.
If we have him for 7 years, that’s fine too. Sure, he won’t likely be the ace in year 7, but he’ll still be a damn fine pitcher.
“Just remember, everyone didn’t want him. Except for me & SJ and Ed”
You’re fogetting a few people, Brandon!
I like this signing better than the Santana based on not losing any prospects. Granted, I don’t think many people who don’t follow the minor would be upset with losing Kennedy or Melkey. All the same, C.C. is a good signing.
Now, Burnett, not so much. And the rumored Derek Lowe signing (4 years, 66 million I believe) is an interesting one. I know the Yanks want to sign two or three free agents and it’s pretty clear Andy isn’t on the top of their list from this.
JR,
Try testing one. Just make sure the http is attached.
LOL. CC was concerned about the A-rod/Jeter thing.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ney_buster
Pete has a job writing for a newspaper — pays the bills and that — but I’m sure he’ll be here soon.
I never doubted the Yanks would sign Sabathia, but I’m glad it is done so they can get some other stuff done. Sheets or Burnett for starters, and I’m thinking 1B then CF. (I like Gardner long term if he can receive visits from the spirit of Charlie Lau.)
Fill in the blank
Today Mike Francesa will ? ___________________
Send out the National Guard…. PEEEETTTEEEE
maybe Randyhater, but he can also just relax and enjoy the 7 straight years if he chooses to. That’s the thing about it being a player only option. His choice. If he likes NY and doesn’t care, he can relax and enjoy 7 years @ 23M per.
But I don’t take him for someone that needs that motivation. he seems to be a competitor regardless.
“CC was concerned about the A-rod/Jeter thing.”
Then stop watching ESPN and pick up the phone and ask someone in the clubhouse everyday. A-Rod/Jeter feud was so 2007.
Pete is passed out in his hotel bed with a hooker and a mountain of coke.
we all know Pete has a job writing articles, but he also would normally be right on top of this story. There have been updates since his last post last night.
I’m not one calling for the guy’s job. But it is a little strange that we haven’t heard from him yet today.
I think I figured it out though, he’s somewhere working with the Tech guys to beef up the blog so it can handle more traffic. Terrible this morning.
brandon,
Today Mike Francesa will ? _
….admit that he didn’t jump on the bandwagon, and how he was right that CC was coming here.
Today Mike Francesa will talk about what a brilliant move this was, proclaim his love for CC and talk about how he…his highness of diet coke…..played a role in getting things done.
I’m just going to chalk Pete’s absence up to him waiting to parse every single detail from his sources before he makes a a post about it.
What do you people think Pete is going to add to what you already know other than to say- Yeah, it’s true.
Just listened to news on SNY and Heyman made it sound like Cash hasn’t gotten back from SF yet.
Pete is stuck in the undercarriage of Cashman’s jet. Someone please let him out!
wait, is randyhater ‘randy l’? If so, hello!
You guys should check out this site:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
(somebody really posted this yesterday…apparently his first hot stove season)
“When there was a team cookout in Cleveland, it would be at the Sabathias’ house, invariably, with Sabathia’s mother dishing out the food.”
Hold off on dishing out too much food mama CC
pat,
Did you read the article I linked?
Nick Punto for captain:
Pete is stuck in the undercarriage of Cashman’s jet. Someone please let him out!
For real, either that or someone else hit it big last night besides CC.
3rd year opt out? Horrendous deal.
You guys should check out this site:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
(Somebody really posted this yesterday in another thread)
Maybe Pete was out with the Big G last night?
Can anyone explain to me how the draft pick process will work for the Yankees if they sign another Type A?
They lose the first rounder for CC, what do they lose if they sign, say, AJ Burnett?
Does this mean all the big boned jokes are over with?
Welcome home baby huey.
Maybe someone should go knock on Pete’s door and see if he’s still alive!
Buster O. is about to talk about an interesting piece of cc contract. opt out clause? espn
“You’re fogetting a few people, Brandon!”
You fell asleep Nick !
mel
I did. The stop watching ESPN advice was for CC not you. CC could get the phone number of any of the guys who have played/play for the Yankees to get the real scoop but that was one of the big concerns he raised to Cash? Not buying it.
JR Yankees,
welcome to 2 years ago! and NO, its not his first hot stove season.
Sorry for the similar posts…the blog is running like crap today and I resubmitted similar posts.
Thanks for your help mel/pat. I don’t know what I was doing before but apparently I am an idiot.
Gotta love Ned Colletti’s work as a stand-up comic, if not as a baseball GM.
T.J. Simers talked to Dodgers GM Ned Colletti, who said Scott Boras told him four other teams have expressed interest in Manny Ramirez. ***Colletti quipped: “That’s good. I wouldn’t like to see a guy out of work.”***
timm we know about theopt out, it really means nothing, if he earns a raise he’s worth it. If he hates NY he walks.
3 yr 69 million w/ no insurance (that’s highway robbery)
Ed,
Was that you I was mocking for posting the trade rumor link in another thread yesterday?
Brandon,
I fell alseep too but I caught my “shout out”. LOL
Just saying “the 2008 pitching was better than 2007″, and “it was really the offense that took a big drop off”…misses the fact that offense was down throughout baseball probably due to a reduction in PED’s. But make no mistake…the Yanks starting pitching was not up to par. Way too many starts by Rasner, Ponson & the like. You put CC, a healthy Wang, a year of Joba & either Lowe, Sheets or Burnett…and we would have won 105 games last year.