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Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 11, 2008 
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We had 2,207 comments on the blog on Wednesday, which I believe broke the old record set when Joe Torre was ousted as manager. We also had a record number of page views, well into six figures.
With one day left in the Winter Meetings, we’ve had nearly 5,500 comments over 72 hours. Thanks everybody for reading and participating. I really do appreciate it.
The Meetings end tomorrow with the Rule 5 Draft. Check back then for more reports.
i cant help it. and i cant sleep. help me
If we signed Manny we’d probably break that record again
Al Gore will fix it if it breaks.
darn, tseng beat me to it.
no need to thank us. good job with the coverage.
MLBTradeRumors has this posted: Jerry Crasnick says that if the Yankees sign Burnett, a third free agent rotation addition would likely be a short-term guy like Ben Sheets as opposed to Derek Lowe.
(Link to the Jerry Crasnick article: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....=blogEntry)
Could you possibly imagine an off-season of adding CC, Burnett, and Ben Sheets to go along with Wang and Joba.
That’s a Cy Young winner, Burnett has some of the filthiest stuff in baseball, this years NL All-Star game starter, Wang had 19 wins 2 years in a row and was 8-2 when he got hurt, and possibly the best young stud out there
Thanks Pete. You set the trend. I have grown to truly appreciate the job you do.
i hope the yanks signed mannyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
The internet is a series of tubes
I hope they don’t Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy !
I think Sheets is a great pitcher. Playing for the team he did, for the longest while he WAS their pitching. Maybe his injuries were due to his having to work so hard so much of the time. I’d sure take a chance on him.
5 years is too much for aj
injury prone
cashman can do better than this, make a trade, get some pitchin somewhere
# russomcbo78 December 11th, 2008 at 1:11 am
5 years is too much for aj
injury prone
cashman can do better than this, make a trade, get some pitchin somewhere
Where? you are an idiot, ya make trades get rid of our farm, why not?? we can sign dominnant pitchers.. come on dude
5 years, $91 million will be a bad idea!!!
“Unless you frequent the local crack dealer, you realize by now that Mark Teixeira is going elsewhere.”
it’s arguable that only a crackhead would give AJ Burnett 5 years & 80 million.
though i can see it too, because his upside is so tremendous.
Hey with Manny in left I guess they can afford to keep Gardner in center.
Then Gardner can cover all 3 fields like that tough kid in The Bad News Bears.
Not that I think Manny will happen but at what point do they invest so much money in pitching that they need to “insure” their offense with a big name slugger.
And am I making any sense at all at this point?
If the Sox are going to get Tex, sounds like they are going to have to pay up this time unless Tex gives them a discount.
“Multiple high-level baseball sources have told The Examiner’s Jim Williams that the organization (Nats) is willing to offer Teixeira a contract of 10 years and $200 million.”
http://www.dcexaminer.com/spor.....xeira.html
Awesome! Congrats Peter! You do a great job & are appreciated!
Ed,
Rosenthal’s report of the 91 mil offer has vanished.
Bronx Jeers,
well that’s something I didn’t know. I just got home, and been hearing all night on ESPN that it was 91 MM.
Pat I didn’t believe it until now but the Nats will land Teixeira
“I didn’t believe it until now but the Nats will land Teixeira”
please….let that be true!!!!
as long as he doesn’t end up in boston Brandon…
Trust me we were all going bonkers when we read it too.
Seemed insane and unnecessary. Still, they seem to be in it to win it against ATL for AJ.
Tex to the Nats is pretty much the best case scenario, no?
Boras should just give Teixiera the okay to accept the Nationals offer. oh yeah, look for Teixiera to be a Yankee in 2012 via A-Rod. If not, then Zimmerman will definitely be traded.
Bronx Jeers
thanks for clarifying it. when I heard it, stupid was the first word came to mind. lol
CC
Wang
Burnett
Sheets/Petitte
Chamberlain.
Simply filthy folks.
A healthy Posada, Matsui, and addition of Swisher more than makes up for loss of Bobby A and TBG.
Damon
Jeter
Nady
Rodriguez
Matsui
Posada
Cano
Swisher
Gardner
I’d much rather see the Angels trot out Manny in left and Vlad in right. Torii Hunter would petition for a league exemption to take greenies.
By the way, an expressed willingness on this blog to give AJ Burnett 5 years/$85+ million does not, by itself make you an evil person or even a bad Yankee fan. So don’t sweat it.
I am not too sure about that 10 yr/200 the Nats offered Tex.
Many are saying it’s more like 8/160
Here’s a Wash. Post article from earlier this evening.
http://voices.washingtonpost.c.....v=rss_blog
“UPDATE: Nationals Make 8-year, $160M Offer to Teixeira
That is the Nationals’ offer to first baseman Mark Teixeira, according to two industry sources with knowledge of the offer.
*From Jim Bowden: “We’ve made a very significant, concrete offer. He’s our No. 1 priority.”* ”
Sic’em Jim.
“With one day left in the Winter Meetings, we’ve had nearly 5,500 comments over 72 hours.”
Pete – there’s an open Senate seat here in New York – gotta strike while the iron is hot!
“Nationals Make 8-year, $160M Offer…”
Nationals must be getting some of that bailout money…
Thanks for all the information you’ve provided over the past few days. I’m not a fan of your silly A-Rod posts, but your blog is an excellent source for real news.
When Bowden told the groundskeeper to throw a tarp over the field, someone must have misunderstood.
add this to the yankee X-mas list:
dont take away whelan, cox, or horne from us tomorrow
did i miss anyone?
Ha, I sure hope Tex goes to the Nats where he won’t be hurting anyone. I can see how that would kill a man’s competitive spirit, but it must be pretty relaxing to rake in 20 mil a year and not really have to be accountable for anything.
Actually if I were Tex I might just do that and go through the motions, if I didn’t care about winning championships and only cared about $$$
DC has some nice stuff to visit, if you’re into museums, history, and politics.
Boston Dave: you missed hoping someone takes Igawa.
Seriously though, a 200 mil offer makes no sense at all.
Why would a team that already has the leading bid go out and make a bigger bid for more years?
It’s insane!
It’s ludicrous!
Next Tex will demand an opt-out clause and a no-tr…….. oh never mind.
Boston not getting Tex along with our pitching extravaganza would make for a successful off-season.
Tex to Nats please?!
“Boston Dave: you missed hoping someone takes Igawa.”
you mean in a trade or a kidnapping?
can the Yanks give Governor Blagojevich some [expletive] dough so that he will make the [expletive] Cubs take [expletive] [expletive] Igawa in exchange for Wrigley financing?
I could see Washington landing Tex and then who’s to say Bowden wouldn’t attempt to buy Manny Ramirez ?
Al, you notice that Tex might be about to go someplace and CC isn’t available for the Angels to fall back on? You see how that works?
Oh god I’m thinking like a smart Nationals GM..my bad.
Yanks talking to the Brewers about Cameron for possibly Melky
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....ike_c.html
Boston Dave: alien abduction would work too.
Here’s something sort of new and interesting.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....ike_c.html
Last night I had a dream with CC in it.
I’m just hoping I don’t see Lowe’s ugly mug tonight.
Arod speaks highly of Cameron, I guess the party is over for Melky and CC has 2 BFFs. I think it was fangraph that displayed Cameron being the 2nd best CF in the league having to do w/ the most effect on wins share or something like that.
“Al, you notice that Tex might be about to go someplace and CC isn’t available for the Angels to fall back on? You see how that works?”
I do, and its good.
I really don’t want Lowe here he is not even better than Andy.
Brewers want Melky for Cameron straight up? This almost feels wrong.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/dan_graziano/
The Cameron trade talks have resumed.
Do all of CC’s BFF’s get opt-outs too?
Can CC opt out of the friendships?
Apparently. Also yes I feel like that’s abusing the Brew Crew to make that deal. Do it Cash !
there is two players i dont wana see in pinstripes this winter and that is Derek Lowe and Mike Cameron
I never really liked Melky but I think it would be stupid to get rid of him for 1 season of 35 year old strike out king Cameron.
Nick-
hopefully he opts out in 3 years.
those final four years are gonna carry big risk for a fat man (no harm intended, pete)
If Cashman believes Cameron will fill their defensive needs in CF, he should do saome due diligence and review clips of the past two years. He is not the same defensive stalward of earlier times; the years have taken their toll. Melky is a far superior defensive player. It is hoped we do not have to find that out.
I’m sorrry but Cameron is the better CF also he’s the stop gap for Jackson.
ariel, how come you’re sometimes ‘ariel’ and other times ‘arial’?
(or are they two different people?)
Well if anything, Cameron will provide us with the offensive consistency we were sorely lacking this past year..ba’s of .242 and .243 in 07 and 08, respectively, vs a lifetime avg of .250…now that’s consistency!!!
Nick,
Typing was never my strong suit.
Melky far superior? Please lol
“I’m sorrry but Cameron is the better CF also he’s the stop gap for Jackson.”
I was just about to post this. Cameron is a 1 year stop-gap for Ajax he plays a great defensive CF and he strikes out a ton but hes a veteran bat with power. Cash do it!
Cameron does not get the jump on the ball that he used to, he does not hit the gap with the correct angle as he used to and his hand to eye in securing the ball in the glove is not what it used to be.
In sum, it would be an egregious error to make the trade. Also, the approximate net cost of 10MM (the ballpark difference between the salaries of Cameron and Cabrera) could best be spent elsewhere.
If you believe Cameron is still a very good centerfielder, you have not been watching very many Brewer games this past year.
Correction
***In sum, it would be an egregious error to make the trade. Also, the approximate net cost of 9.5MM (the ballpark difference between the salaries of Cameron and Cabrera) could best be spent elsewhere.***
“If you believe Cameron is still a very good centerfielder, you have not been watching very many Brewer games this past year.”
Ok hes a little bit slower but hes no Johnny Damon. He still has a good arm and he is very savvy. I actually did watch most of the Brewers September and October games and I didn’t notice anything awful about his play in CF.
Cameron was 10 runs better than average in CF this past season.
Cameron=no more Melky! No more of his errant thinking!
Shortstop and centerfield are the two positions where the decline in skills sets due to advancing age are most evident. We are witnessing the former but it still is within tolerable bounds. We should not have to also witness the latter.
Can CC pay his salary?
“Shortstop and centerfield are the two positions where the decline in skills sets due to advancing age are most evident. We are witnessing the former but it still is within tolerable bounds. We should not have to also witness the latter.”
**STOP GAP** Thats all this move is having a vet take over and give steady play in CF while Ajax gets ready for the show.
If you have to throw in IPK =no,but straight up for Cameron=YES .1. Cameron is CCs friend help break the NY ice.2 Cameron is a FA next year= Will bust his arse to prove he still belongs in baseball for a nice rich contract the following year. Then we get Crawford,Holliday,Bay all FAs next year. Ilike Melky but think Gardner is and will be better. Nothing can hurt us more than Melky,Gardner platooning cf next year. Think its win win situation.
Doesn’t the $161 million do enough to help CC break the ice in NY?
I can’t get enthused about King of the strike outs Mike Cameron. I’d rather they give Brett Gardner and Melkey the opportunity figuring one of them will step up and maybe sign Rocco Baldelli for the 2 days of week his condition allows him to play as insurance in case they don’t.
Al,
Hopefully it would be a stop gap, but it still doesn’t make sense to me..If they do it, I would consider it part of the cost of CC’s package.
Then again, we are used to aging over-the-hill play in cf..Cameron is certainly better than Bernie was in his last two years.
But if we sign Manny, I don’t care. Manny’s production (and the benefit to Arod) would more than make up for any minor errors in judgment of this nature.
It would be embarrassing after going all out for CC and Burnett to have Melky and/or Gardner playing CF.
We need to get Cameron or some other competent CF to take over for a few years until Ajax is ready.
Melky has a great arm but that’s it. He takes bad routes to balls and his batting is minor league level at best!
Gardner is better at tracking balls and has great speed, but also can’t hit to save his life.
Neither has any business starting games in CF for the Yankees!
Good suggestion…let CC pay his salary.
“Melky is a far superior defensive player. ”
I’m not so sure about that.
Enough with this Manny stuff already !!!
It would be a horrible idea to add that kind of cancer to the clubhouse! Has everyone forgotten what that bum did in Boston???
Not only would it be a disaster waiting to happen, but it’s not even realistic. The Yankees are not interested in Manny, it’s a complete waste of time to see every post in multiple threads all saying (please sign Manny)!
Wake up; it’s a bad idea and it’s NOT going to happen anyways!
The Yankees have a better shot at signing Texeira for Pete’s sake!
If Manny is in the lineup, Gardner, as a stop-gap, could certainly be carried in the nine hole. His defense looked more than adequate to me.
I agree if Manny then I can deal with Gardner.
We have CC. If we sign Sheets and trade for Cameron, I think they throw in a couple sausages.
http://cache.daylife.com/image.....3/610x.jpg
NHYankeee62,
You may be in for a big shock if you indeed feel that way. There are rumors aplenty from ostensibly reliable sources that Manny is under consideration.
You are entitled to your opinion as to what you want/believe will happen. So too am I and others who would like to see Manny in Pinstripes.
You do not know whether it will or will not happen. Neither do I. This is a forum in which people can exchange their views. Your conduct is insulting.
Im just saying that Cameron is not the worst situation for starting cf for 1 year. Help me relax and tell me who you sugestwe trade for. Relisticaly of course,and what does it cost. Theres a lot of teams who are trying to dump salary. Theres also fa Rivera but he had a bad year last year.
Really Nick someone might wanna tell Cash that the Brewers didn’t win the Series last year or to at least grab Prince Fielder while he’s at it.
NHYankee,
the manny talk is pretty funny. ignorant, but funny.
Insulting? Give me a break.
God forbid I speak up as a voice of dissent in this constant Manny love-fest barrage.
As Yankee fans you guys should be ashamed.
Say what you will about Arod, but at least he hustles and doesn’t quit on his team. Manny would be a complete disaster!
BTW what reliable sources? Show me the links instead of assuming I’m going to take you’re word for it.
I never agreed to help anyone relax!
Hey Boston Dave,
The only problem is that it stopped being funny when it took over every single thread on here.
Why are people talking about Manny in the Burnett/Lowe/Sheets thread?
Jobatheheat,
If you are addrssing your comments to me, I too do not think Cameron is the worst situation. In fact, he is a genuinely good guy, a positive influence in the clubhouse and dugout, good with the younger players and a freind of CC’s.
He can also give you the long ball. But he is not the panacea in centerfield as he once was. Is he worth 10mm?
Hopefully, as Al says, all we need is a stop gap, assuming Ajax is what many say he is and 2010 will be his year.
I don’t mind when players quit on the Red Sox in fact I encourage it! Personally to give the Yankee offense a little more opph I’d sign Furcal and put Jeter in center if he can’t hack move Damon over with Jeter in left. I know never gonna happen
How about some much needed praise for the Cashman and the Yankees!!
There seems to be an overall negative tone in the media (especially ESPN) about how much money the Yankees are spending.
I for one applaud them! What more can you possibly ask for as a fan to have a team be willing to do whatever it take to improve the product on the field!
melky for cameron
i think when you evaluate a trade of young-for-old you need to examine what exactly you’re losing. melky is going nowhere in his yankee career.
if the yanks believe their OF has room for a speedster with no power, which is a legitimate thought, then they already have gardner – who’s much faster than melky and is a grinder.
melky as a yankee will never ever be more than a 5th OF, and if we can get for him a viable player, even for a couple of years, there’s no hesitation.
James,
Once a quitter, always a quitter. He did it to the Red Sox, he’d do it to the Yankees.
He’ll do it to Torre and the Dodgers as well after they resign him.
This is the Burnett/Lowe/Sheets thread?
I must have taken a wrong turn at the “forget about Peavy” thread.
“Why are people talking about Manny in the Burnett/Lowe/Sheets thread?”
I guess people can write about anything they want. That’s fine. But people act like the Yankees can sign everyone. Let’s get Tex, Manny, CC, Sheets, Burnett. People actually talk as if signing Manny is a legit possibility. It’s not.
Yankee 62,
The “Most Recent Source of Ignorance” http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....in_ma.html
Very well said Gil!!!
This offseason won’t be complete until Melky is gone!
Ariel Even if Ajax is not ready we still have FA options next year 1.Crawford,Holliday,Bay,Ankiel. The way our rotation is working out and with the young guys trying to prove they should be up on the Mlb team we can focus money on Outfield and offense=DH vlad. Not to mention Matsui and Damon money offour tab.
NHYankee62,
ESPN is to the Red Sox as Fox news is to the republican party. you have a better chance of hearing honest evaluation of the yankees from the red sox’ official spokesperson than you have from ESPN…
“According to a person familiar with the Yankees’ plans, who requested anonymity because he is not authorized to speak for the team, there is a push by some members of the Yankees’ organization to make a play for free-agent outfielder Manny Ramirez.”
Wow that sounds credible!
And it’s NHYankee62.
No kidding NHYankee62 I don’t wanna him either. Although if for a couple years he could do to the Red Sox what he did to the Yankees his whole career that would be pretty sweet hopefully hell do it for Toronto.
Gil,
I guess it’s pretty offensive to have one cable news outlet that’s not completely in the tank for the Left! Oh the horror!!!
Gill Could not agree with you more. And I realy dont see us getting better value for Melky.
I have the biggest man crash on Carl Crawford.
Clearly cash doesnt frequent this website as he would see the yankee fans want sheets over Burnett. look at the numbers on the poll vote – more than double the numbers of fans voted for sheets over burnett. I guess the FO knows something big that more than 1000 of us dont – either sheets mri’s or whatever it is they looked at involving his health looked worse than is being reported or Burnett is somehow going to magically turn into this ace that he has yet to be in his career. Sheets already has been in an ace for his team granted, it was for the AL but the difference cannot be more than .5 era higher in the AL giving him a consistent mid 3′s era on the yanks while burnett looks more like a low 4′s. Plus, 5 YEARS?! 5 YEARS?! Are they serious? After we finally got rid of pavano, we sign a big injury risk from ages 32 to 37. At least pavano was young even though he was injury prone – Burnett is already on the wrong side of 30 at 32. I hope the yanks know what they are doing with this signing although I highly doubt it. iF we signed him for 5 years and 91 million, there is no way this wont be a bad signing – it isnt even a question. And it could with some bad luck turn into a disaster. Im just saying. Sheets and Burnett/Pettitte/Lowe. I would go with sheets and pettitte but if signing burnett means not signing sheets, I hate it. Even if it does, i dont like it.
Manny would make the offense so much better. However its too late to fight over this. 2 40 HR 120 RBI guys back to back would be great, just sayin’.
Even though it’s not the correct solution, Manny has a greater chance of landing in the Bronx than Tex.
There’s no Manny love-fest. People hate him. But some of us are willing to consider at least a scenario where Manny is signed. Because we know that his bat would be a great asset and would only help us win games and series. Not to mention that Alex would finally get a friend. I kid, I kid!
But Manny won’t happen for the Yanks unless it’s short term and dirt cheap. That’s one time I won’t mind the Yankees pleading poverty.
Mel,
Even if Manny helped the Yankees, do you really want to cheer for a guy you hate?
He’d definitely have his moments of crushing the ball, but he’d also have plenty of bonehead plays.
At some point he’d become a cancer that would only hurt the team.
Face it, Manny would be a huge gamble. It’s just not worth it.
Royals signed our man Farnsworth
According to ESPN’s Steve Phillips, the Royals reached an agreement with reliever Kyle Farnsworth on a two-year, $9.25MM deal (pending a physical). The move addresses Dayton Moore’s stated goal to replace the two righthanded relievers he traded away, Leo Nunez and Ramon Ramirez.
mlbtr
Dave I dont think signing Burnett means no Sheets. Think it means no Pettitte or no Lowe. Im upset with the way there treating Pettitte but will take Burnett over Lowe any day .Say no to Lowe. Burnett has electric stuff and it is a risk but with our Backup starters Hughes,IPK,Coke we can afford to gamble a bit now that we signed CC. No CC= no way i gamble on Burnett and Sheets but now we can get away with it.
NHYankee62,
lol. I don’t hate Manny. He’s rather enigmatic.
But there aren’t as many Manny-haters as there were when Tex was still in play.
There’s no way that Manny could ruin our clubhouse. If you know who couldn’t do it, it can’t be done. No matter what the fans think of Manny, he’s actually respected and liked by players. They live in a totally different world than us. They’re simply not as judgemental and single-minded as us fans. They know everyone has their flaws and nobody’s perfect. It’s a big brotherhood. Except for AJ Pierzinski. He’s pretty much hated by everyone.
ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick has been all over the A.J. Burnett talks. Today he says the Yankees have a five-year deal worth about $85MM on the table. Burnett’s agent Darek Braunecker isn’t seeking much more than that – he’s eyeing a Carlos Zambrano-influenced $91.5MM payday. It’s an interesting comparison, given that Z’s deal was signed over a year ago and not on the open market.
Crasnick says discussions continued with the Yankees late Wednesday. Yankee players have been calling Burnett, lobbying him to choose their team over the Braves. Crasnick believes a deal could be in place as soon as today.
Yesterday we heard conflicting reports about whether the Braves guaranteed a fifth year in their offer.
MLB Trade Rumors
Graziano is and has been for sometime one of the more reliable Yankee reporters in the New York Area. He is not beholden to any particular agent, team or individual. This is not Jon Heyman, Peter Gammons or some hack from ESPN etc.He does a level of due diligence in assessing credibility. In this case he did provide the necessary caveats so no one would “take it to the bank”. Perhaps he considered the “rumor” within the context of Hank Steinbrenner’s comments of a month or so ago when asked about a possible offer to Manny he responded “Not yet. It might be advantageous to do at some point.”
Taken the information as a whole, there was a basis to conclude that the information “may” have a legitimate underpinning.
Overridding all of this, of course, is the principle that you cannot believe anything you hear during the FA period (or anytime, for that matter) until it actually has happened.
However, each individual can formulate and express his or her views as to what he or she thinks will or may happen without being subjected to a contemptuous or virulent retort.
Yah. Saw the Farnsy news on trade rumors. Good job, Farnsy. May you rock the goggles against everyone but us!
Correction.
Graziano is and has been for sometime one of the more reliable Yankee reporters in the New York Area. He is not beholden to any particular agent, team or individual. etc.He does a level of due diligence in assessing credibility. In this case he did provide the necessary caveats so no one would “take it to the bank”. Perhaps he considered the “rumor” within the context of Hank Steinbrenner’s comments of a month or so ago when asked about a possible offer to Manny he responded “Not yet. It might be advantageous to do at some point.”
Taken the information as a whole, there was a basis to conclude that the information “may” have a legitimate underpinning.
Overridding all of this, of course, is the principle that you cannot believe anything you hear during the FA period (or anytime, for that matter) until it actually has happened.
However, each individual can formulate and express his or her views as to what he or she thinks will or may happen without being subjected to a contemptuous or virulent retort.
I don’t think it’s a stretch to believe that Yankee brass is split on Manny as well as Sheets.
Both have benefits and risks that have to be weighed out.
If Manny is homeless, the Yankees would use it as an opportunity to let Manny play for his hometown.
Where have you gone Andrew Jones?
Mel,
Excellent points. They are and will play it close to the vest and swoop in at the end, on the Yankees’ terms, if he is homeless or only a shack is otherwise available.
Hey mell yu realy believe that if tex does not go to angels they wont go for Manny? thats what i hear but doubt it. I think angels are playing that Manny situation just right.
Scranton,
No where. He’s still sitting on the bench in the dugout.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....es-dr.html
“Ariel Even if Ajax is not ready we still have FA options next year 1.Crawford”
Crawford will not be a FA next year. team option.
“Royals signed our man Farnsworth
According to ESPN’s Steve Phillips, the Royals reached an agreement with reliever Kyle Farnsworth on a two-year, $9.25MM deal (pending a physical). The move addresses Dayton Moore’s stated goal to replace the two righthanded relievers he traded away, Leo Nunez and Ramon Ramirez.”
HOLY CRAP… 9.25M??? from the Royals????
Jobatheheat,
Yah. Forgot about that. If the Angels miss out on Tex, they’ll be all over Manny like flies on rice.
What is dirt cheap for Manny?
If sheets risk outweigh a 2 or 3 year deal and Burnett’s risks dont outweigh a 5 year 90 million deal, I dont know what the FO is smoking but as pete said clearly it may be the crack pipe.
I heard also that there is a split over manny – we would have to rearrange the whole team for him. He may be a horrible presence in the clubhouse to guys like cano and gardner. He is asking for far too much money at his age as well as years – i dont even know what his asking price is but im assume around 4 years. Thats a little ridiculous and i think the dodgers are already going to 3. With that said, we need a homerun hitter with a great obp and a presence in the lineup. If the yanks dont want dunn and there is clearly no one like that on the centerfield trade market, we should try to sign manny for 3 years and a high AAV. We will have the pitching to dominate but with soo many questions in our lineup – matsui, posada, cano, swisher and gardner isnt a question so much as a hole, I feel like manny is our best option. We can trade matsui – clear dh, take the 13 mil off the books by using the trade as a salary dump and getting absolutely nothing back and sign manny for probably around 12 million next year (25 mil total minus 13 mil from matsui.) I say we go for it.
Nick in SF,
Dirt cheap is such a relative term for the Yankees. For a quality bat like Manny? $20M. 3-4 years?
We’re talking HOF player. Clutch hitting (sadly missing for the last I don’t even know how long). Rises to occasion. They’ll make a big deal out of the DR/Alex/NY connection. It’ll take the spotlight off Alex, which I somehow think Alex would love.
dave,
Trust me. Gardner will follow Jeter like a lost puppy and Cano will follow Alex.
Are you a glass half empty kind of guy?
Seriously, how did Andruw Jones go from respectable, all-star type player to a useless, overweight, talentless pariah in one year?
So no shedding payroll at all?
Not saying yea or nea on Manny, but it seems like it’s a stretch to sign him plus two of AJ, Sheetes, Lowe, and Andy.
I personaly am for picking up Dunn. Big plus is hes not a Borahs client and will come relatively cheap. Borahs=Ihate that guy but I respect him. The man could sell Ketchup popsicles to nuns wearing white gloves.
Nick,
HaHa. I didn’t even crunch numbers. But we both know that Swisher can’t replace Abreu & Giambi.
I don’t even care, but if he’s available in January, there’s a possibility the Yankees kick the tires.
The only way to even consider Ramirez from this point in his career is on a year to year basis. If he tanks the games, he cuts his own throat.
Ha, you’re going to make Al’s head explode.
I’m all for kicking the tires, but it’s ok with me if they keep kicking.
Barry Bonds is a lot cheaper.
Pete, your opinion on why the Yankees are guaranteeing a 5th year? Is Burnett worth Zambrano money?
Headline from the times:
“For $37 Million, Mets Get a Closer With Charisma”
So that’s what charisma is. Having an intimate moment with the guy upstairs in front of tens of thousands of people.
Eugene
December 11th, 2008 at 4:20 am
Pete, your opinion on why the Yankees are guaranteeing a 5th year? Is Burnett worth Zambrano money?
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Not really, but Zambrano isn’t worth Zambrano money, either.
Newsday has a nasty article about CC and cashs meeting. Even calling CC by the Nickname cash cow. Saying thats what CC stands for. Just putting a negative spin on the deal.
GB7,
Are you loco? Zambrano’s a prize fighter. He’s won everyone of his heavyweight bouts.
Jobatheheat,
Oh, Lord. It’s already beginning? Maybe CC will change his mind when he sees that kind of crap.
Why would Cashman add more Salary with Cameron…lets give Gardner a crack in CF.if he steals 60 bases and bats around 250 avg and plays good D. Thats all we need
Maybee to get us to the trade deadline but we need at least a fill in CF. Even if we trade Melky for Cameron. Gardner can still do all that and prove himself but why not have insurance. Not to mention a bit more flexibility .
“Newsday has a nasty article about CC and cashs meeting. Even calling CC by the Nickname cash cow. Saying thats what CC stands for. Just putting a negative spin on the deal.”
I went to Newsday and checked it out… how did I know that I would see the name “Wallace Matthews” attached to that article?
G. just a thougterry Hariston Junior wouldnt be a bad utility player and he plays like the intire infield and outfield maybe not 1st base. just a thougt
mel
December 11th, 2008 at 4:27 am
GB7,
Are you loco? Zambrano’s a prize fighter. He’s won everyone of his heavyweight bouts.
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Sorry, but as the team gets better, he’s getting worse. Innings keep going down, strikeouts keep going down, ERA keeps going up. He’s not what the Cubs are paying Zambrano money for.
oh no the daily news says that according to sources we’ve already traded melky. i hope cameron is better than i remember….
Cameron is atrocious, might as well bring Bernie Back.
So the Royals sign Farnsworth?
They must be remembering that game on 07 when he gave up a 3 run HR to them in the 8th to lose a 3-1 game 4-3!
As Blago says, “Pay to bleeping play”
ramirez > bonds, otherwise i’d rather blind myself in both eyes and puncture my eardrums!!!!!! seriously, i’m hoping there is NO chance we add that dismal personality, no matter what he could hit.
adding an average to above average player in CF will do wonders for the batting order.
WOW…..daily news is reporting melky for cameron trade
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....a_t-1.html
Cameron last year hit 243, 25 HR’s with 70 RBI’s and 17 stolen bases, meanwhile Melky last year hit ????? (000, 00 with 00) Lol.
If this is true…I would rather have Abreu in RF and Damon/Gardner in CF.Cameron strikes out too much.Abreu at least walks/takes pitches.
To Mike R (12:58 AM)
(If we signed Manny we’d probably break that record again)
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Don’t we know it. And Hank knows the interest it would create across the sports world.
Just imagine. A modern version of the Ruth/Gehrig or Mantle/Maris era. ARod/Ramirez on the cover of SPORTS ILLUSTRATED.
We all know Babe Ruth joined the New York Yankees in 1920.
They didn’t even make the postseason that year.
We all know Babe Ruth played in the 1921 World Series and the Yankees lost it to the New York Giants.
We all know Babe Ruth played in the 1922 World Series and the Yankees lost again to the NY Giants.
It is an historical fact that Lou Gehrig joined the New York Yankees in 1923.
The New York Yankees won their first world series in 1923.
The New York Yankees and Babe Ruth needed Lou Gehrig to complete the equation and I believe that the New York Yankees and Alex Rodriguez need Manny Ramirez to complete the equation.
I say bring Manny to New York and put him in the lineup with ARod. Then sit back and watch history repeat itself.
Then watch Pete’s blog take off…
SPECIAL NOTE TO MR. ABRAHAM (sorry, but with the numbers that you are putting up, it is now Mr. Abraham) – you are a great Yankee fan. Enthusiasts like yourself make following the Yankees a real joy. I hope the Yankees appreciate you like us fans do. Thanks for sharing the inside view of the sports world that a beat writer experiences. It is almost like being there ourselves. Can I call you Uncle Pete?
By Opening day, Yankees get CC, AJ & either Lowe or Sheets…also DO LAND Tex and an upgrade in CF. All of you that think that the Yankees are not going TOALLY ALL IN and THEN SOME to win the WS in 2009, due to the opening of the stadium and the failing health of the BOSS are going to be sadly mistaken AND Happily Surprised….Mark it down, save it, laugh at it….but it WILL HAPPEN.
YUP !…now there is the CF I told you about…..
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AJ
Sheets
Lowe
Andy
Tex
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COME ON DOWN !!! LOL !!!
Rotation :
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CC, Wang, AJ, Joba ( Lowe, Sheets OR Andy )
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Posada
A-Rod
Jeter
Cano
Tex
Damon
Cameron
Nady
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WOW !!!
“dum deals” changed posts and ‘i told you so’ about cameron, then has to go look up his stats and decides he sucks.
another moron who posts before he even thinks his thought through.
but he still thinks he ‘knows something’ about teixeira.
sorry should have been “dum deal posts an…..
Mike Cameron – very similar BA to Melky last season, but a heck of a lot more production within that low BA.
I like Melky and had hoped he’d be given a chance to bounce back, but I saw how much Girardi and others seemed to be gravitating towards Gardner. If it’s a one-to-one deal, and it’s only for one year, it’s not awful. Cameron is a good ballplayer.
You can see that the Yankees are clearly pushing for these next 3 seasons. Doesn’t mean they don’t want to see success beyond that, but I suppose they want that last hurrah for the 90′s core group, the Boss, and to solidify the attendance (and advertising) at the new stadium.
I’m glad they’re being aggressive. I wish they wouldn’t go 5 years for Burnett, but if they want him, they’ve got no choice. I hope the next two after that are Sheets and Pettitte. I know Lowe is the healthiest of all the choices and will give innings. I wonder about the quality of those innings.
As for Manny, well, I don’t want him. But it’s not up to me…
there goes your manny fantasy. if they get cameron, the lineup/defense is set.
and tex went out the window yesterday.
if they get burnett today and pettitte agrees, they are done and there’s the team that opens the new yankee stadium.
Cameron probably marks the end of Tex. Manny is still possible if we can trade Matsui.
The 10 mill hurts our chances of ponying up more for another bat.
I would have preferreed the bat and played Gardner in CF or even swisher.
Basically they just threw Melky out thinking he had no future with us.
We still have no one to protect Arod in the order. Tex was my first choice but at this point I hope they get Manny
i seriously dont think there ever was any chance of manny in pinstripes (thank god). cant see the stein’s or cash every allowing manny the quitter to turn new yankee stadium into his personal circus.
yankees 2009:
SP:
cc sabathia
chien ming wang
aj burnett
joba chamberlain
andy pettite/ben sheets
BP:
rivera,marte,bruney,coke,veras,melencon,aceves
Lineup:damon lF,jeter SS,nady RF,rodriguez 3B,matsui DH,posada C,cano 2B,swisher 1B,cameron CF
Bench:molina,punto,gardner,ransom
Melky for Cameron.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....a_t-1.html
Tex is a good player but he is not worth 20mil a year for 10 years. Let’s get serious he is not AROD. Let Boston have him at that price. Keep spending the money on pitching and upgrade the defense. You can always sign a bat. There will be lot’s of bats around in January the way the market it.
yanks are paying matsui and posada to protect arod and the chances are that if either is healthy, they will be at least as good as giambi was last year (possibly better). its a crapshoot hoping for them to come back from surgery to fill those holes, but the yankees arent gonna pay thier salaries and also pay someone else to do their work.
personally i think godzilla is going to be great at cleanup behind arod.
Cameron didn’t mark the “end” of Tex, Sabathia did.
They were never going to add Sabathia AND Tex. That was never part of any of their payroll models heading into the off-season.
They did the Cameron deal for 3 reasons:
1. A security blanket in case Gardner can’t play consistently at the ML level.
2. He’s the perfect stopgap as they await Austin Jackson.
3. A veteran, well respected player by other players, who also happens to be one of CC Sabathia’s best friends.
As Doreen correctly points out, its pretty clear the Yankees are on a “3 year plan”. They have 3 years to not only win but, to see if CC Sabathia “likes” NY.
As far as keeping Abreu, who is to say that won’t happen? It just won’t happen at 18 million, which is what he would have made had the Yankees offered him arbitration.
Look at what’s happening in the market right now. There is a glut of DH/OF types and that means there will be deals out there in January for those kind of players.
If the Yankees feel they need another bat after taking on all this new pitching talent, they will have their choice of players looking for one year deals.
They haven’t departed from any “youth movement”. They have gotten younger by adding Swisher and Sabathia. They have kept all of their real prospects.
What they are doing is, putting themselves in the position not to rush guys to the majors anymore.
I guess they feel rushing guys like Hughes, Kennedy, and to some extent, Cabrera and Gardner did more harm than good.
I don’t get the infatuation with Cameron. Lifetime .250 hitter who is 35 years old. His stats are not going to get better. Better hope that all of the AJax hype is real and that he progresses really fast.
That’s too much for Burnett, sign Lowe.
Where do you see Phil Hughes fitting in to the rotation if the Yankees also obtain Burnett and or Lowe or Sheets? Enjoy your work, Ira
another poster who ‘knows’ what’s gonna happen:
THE YANKEES ARE DEFINITLY GONNA BLAH, BLAH, BLAH….
AND THEN THEY’RE GONNA BLAH, BLAH, BLAH…
TRUST ME, I KNOW…..
…. o sorry now that i’ve looked up the guy’s BA, i was completly wrong above…..
BUT THEN THE YANKEES ARE DEFINITELY GONNNA BLAH, BLAH, BLAH…..
TRUST ME I KNOW….
Cameron?
Another .250 hitter?
Yawn.
At least it’s not a step backwards from Melky’s awful ’08 season.
Here’s to hoping Gardner has a breakout year.
And that A-Jax gets ready to make the jump in one year and proves to be the real deal.
At least CC’s happy with two buddies on the team.
The thing with Cameron is he is what he is and he’s pretty solid. Melky is amorphous. You don’t know what you’ve really got. Can he ever be an everyday CF with good solid numbers? Maybe. But if the Yankees want to increase their offense a bit, at least the power numbers, that they lost from Giambi, or Abreu, then Melky’s not your guy.
It will be a real stretch for the Yankees to get Teixeira. And now that the Nats have set the definitive market for him, I don’t really see it. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen, but looking at the big picture and the moves already made and the ones in the queue, it doesn’t appear likely. I’m disappointed. I had wanted Teixeira as the replacement for Giambi, and I had been looking forward to that for 2 years. However, the landscape changed. The Yankees ended up needing pitching in such a desperate way that the game plan had to change.
Roger(amsterdam) ,
Yeah I would say that that is pretty much the 25 man roster.
Punto is a ?
Obvious AJ isn’t a lock but otherwise I guess that is it as of now.
I’m not in love with the Cameron move as he’s a strikeout king. I think they should have spent that 10 mil wiser.
The Cameron deal was probably done mainly to give CC somebody on the team that he’s close with to help make him feel comfortable. They had given up on Melky a long time ago so it’s not surprising that it was him in that respect. I am surprised that they didn’t have to send more to get Cameron.
So the OF group would be Damon, X, Gardner, Cameron (assuming so) and Matsui. Hm ….
I guess what everyone was saying was true. Once CC went, the rest of the league would start moving as well.
I have to say that I’m surprised that the Mets found someone willing to take Aaron Heilman. I wouldn’t have sent a bag of balls for him.
i see phil starting out this season as the 6th starter and getting alot of starts. in the past 3 years, the yankees have had (im guessing here) probably over 25% of thier games started by pitchers other than the starting 5 they went into the season with, due to injuries, ineffectivness, or scheduling issues. (thus ponson, karstens, rasner, small, leiter, chacon, et al.)
we go into this season knowing joba cant go every 5th day, so any hammy strain, elbow tweek or liner off the shin puts phil in the rotation.
from there its up to phil what he does with them. personally i see phil pushing his way into the starting 5 by the all star break.
IRA
December 11th, 2008 at 7:43 am
Where do you see Phil Hughes fitting in to the rotation if the Yankees also obtain Burnett and or Lowe or Sheets? Enjoy your work, Ira
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If NYY signs Burnett, they won’t need another long term, high priced starter whoi is 35 years old, and they won’t sign another pitcher who has possible injury concerns. Keep in mind that Hughes still needs to work on a couple of things and is only 22 years old. He has plenty of time time become something special.
And there you have it. The oldest lineup in baseball and no ML ready position players to speak of.
Well done.
And no bench.
Doreen,
I think you are correct. Also, with guys like Posada (as he ages), Montero (I still think his future is at first base), the Yankees probably felt like they didn’t want to tie up 8-10 on another position player, no matter how good Tex is.
They are doing what the Red Sox did after they missed the playoffs in 2006. Spend a lot of money on their weaknesses and keep their younger players in the organization.
After the ’06 season, the Red Sox spend over 200 million dollars on Dice-K, Okajima, Drew, Lugo, etc. They also kept their young players in the organization.
The Yankees are doing the same thing. The elite prospects in the organization, Melancon, Montero, Hughes, Brackman and Jackson, aren’t going anywhere.
They have made the team younger and improved the defense at first base and CF.
Its not a matter of seeing who they fill out the pitching needs with in the next few days.
After that, they can sit tight and see what hitters are available in January, given the glut of available bats.
If the Yanks wrap up Burnett, they may be inclined to let Hughes/Aceves/Kennedy make up the other spot in the rotation, rather than also adding Andy or Sheets.
2 things:
I don’t buy that the Cameron deal was done to help CC “feel comfortable”. I think it is what it is; a 1 year stop gap veteran player, who plays solid defense and has an average/slightly above average bat. Its an upgrade from our current situation in that we know what to expect (barring injury of course).
Secondly, I think the lineup with Matsui and Po back in the lineup full time(and hopefully fully recovered) can add enough protection and pop behind Arod. I firmly believe that A-rod should hit 3rd and then followed up by Matsui, Po/Nady (who have better RISP numbers) etc. Having Mannny hit 4th would create nightmares for opposing pitchers, but like someone said earlier thats what Matsui and Po are getting paid to do. Plus there is really no trade market for Matsui at this point. Starting to see the full team now…my 2 cents.
ESPN’s Mike & Mike reporting that Cameron for Melky deal is complete. I like Melky and think he will be a serviceable corner outfielder some day. However it appears that Cash/Steinbrothers are going for it all in 2009 rather that wait on its farm system. Cameron will be a capable addition in CF. Look for Gardner (if he can hit .250) to platoon against tough righties.
Phil,
I’m starting to think along those same lines with the way Aceves performed in the bigs and the quality of Hughes last couple starts in the AFL, not to mention Kennedy’s newfound curveball and dominance in Puerto Rico.
Maybe that’s where that 10 mil on Cameron comes from.
If he’s looking ready at the time, Hughes would get a shot later in the season when someone needs to rest an injury or goes on the DL, or something. Every year on every team, such things always happen.
Depending on the opportunity, the timing, or if someone else looks more ready than Hughes at the time, someone else could get the shot too. And if someone else got a call up first (I feel the need to head that one off at the pass months before it comes up) that would not necessarily mean that’s the end of Hughes future in pinstripes.
The realist in me knows Melky was not the CF of the future but I’m kind of sad they are trading him. He seemed to have a little magic about him in the 2007 season to be in the middle of making things happen but that magic seemed to dry up in 2008. Bringing back the Manny HR will live forever on highlight reels.
Heres something nobody has mentioned. We just added 2 african american players to a team that has recently been accused of traditionally being predjudiced. So much for those naysayers (sheff) on that subject.
They got younger at first base. They needed a stopgap in CF for a year until Jackson is ready. If Gardner proves he can play everyday, or garner 300 AB’s at the ML level, he will be on the team and play a lot.
Matsui and Damon are in the last year of their contracts. After that, they will probably look to a guy like Matt Holliday to play LF. Another younger alternative.
Nady is 6 years younger than Abreu in RF.
They did get younger where they could and they got younger (and better) in the rotation.
Basically, they got younger in the areas where they could afford to do so.
As far as the bench, that’s the last thing you work on if you are Cashman. There will be a lot of guys looking for work when the free agent musical chairs stop.
That’s when you can fill bench spots.
Sheff was an abrasive moron
CC Sabathia-lhp
Chin Ming Wang-rhp
AJ Burnett-rhp
Phil Hughes-rhp
Joba Chamberlain-rhp
Ian Kennedy-rhp
Alfredo Aceves-rhp
Zachary McAllister-rhp
Bret,
I’m thinking the same thing. That would give the Yanks 3 homegrown starters to go with the 2 FA’s. They can do it. BTW, offensively, Cameron is a much bigger upgrade over Melky and Gardner than Teixeira would have been over Big G.
I still think we’ll add a middle of the order bat, but that may not happen till Jan/Feb.
Why is everyone be concerned about the offense? It’s going to be better than last year. The combination of adding Cameron and Swisher and Nady for a full year will more than pass losing Giambi’s, Cabrera’s offense. The improved defense will make a considerable difference, also. Add to the fact that of the six players who had down years (Jeter, Rodriguez, Cano Matsui and Posada, only 3 of them need to improve to greatly improve the offense.
if this goes down with just melky i would be glad we didn’t get robbed for kennedy also.
melky for 1 year of cam is not bad considering melky is done in ny.
Good starters need good defense not ridiculous offense. Good plays pump pitchers up while long innings and extended innings cool them off.
Sum-uhn-ah -
If you’ve ever read my posts before, I never speak in absolutes (except to say that I NEVER speak in absolutes!
) To say something doesn’t look likely to me doesn’t mean it won’t happen. Just thinking in realistic terms and judging from what’s been going on.
sum-
since cash said before the fa season began that the yankees werent going to sign cc and tex, i guess you must’ve needed sj’s and doreen’s confirmation before you believed cashman anyway.
but now that YOU have also confirmed i believe it…
Ladies and Gentleman
Your 2010 New York Yankees
Austin Jackson-cf
Derek Jeter-ss
Matt Holliday-lf
Alex Rodriguez-3b
Jorge Posada-dh
Xavier Nady-rf
Robinson Cano-2b
Nick Swisher-1b
???-c
Cameron is a caretaker until A-Jax shows he’s ready
http://milwaukee.brewers.mlb.c....._id=111904
I hear we might get Cameron for Melky. Do it. I mean, I don’t like Cameron as a fit for this team but if u get even a minor piece for Melky DO IT NOW!
Let’s look at the team, as presently assembled, and compare it to last year:
First base: Swisher for Giambi. Much better defensively and athletically. Obviously, Swisher doesn’t have Giambi’s power. At this point though, he’s a better all around player, if he can get back to his 2006-2007 form.
Second base: Cano. They DESPERATELY need a bounceback year from him.
Shortstop and third base: Jeter and Arod. No change there.
LF: Damon. If he can follow up last years solid season with another one, he may garner another contract from the Yankees.
CF: Cameron and Gardner. This may be the best situation for Gardner. He will play a lot and can use his speed to help the team as well as spell Cameron and Damon on occasion.
RF: Nady. Younger than Abreu, much better defensively, and a very solid player. Not a superstar but, a guy who is solid. The Yankees won World Series with players like this in their lineup.
DH: Looks like Matsui right now.
C: Posada and Molina. One could argue, this is the key position on the team. If Posada is healthy and can catch 110 games, they will be fine. If he’s not, you not only lose his bat, you lose his leadership. We saw how much they missed that last year.
SP: Sabathia, Wang, Chamberlain. Three, under 30 arms. Nobody in baseball has 3, under 30 arms that good. If they add Burnett to that group, that’s one helluva rotation. If the rotation turns out to be CC, Wang, Chamberlain, Burnett, Sheets or Pettitte, that’s the best rotation in baseball.
RP: Mo, Marte, Bruney, Coke, Veras, Melancon, and a long man, is a shutdown bullpen, consisting of as many of 5 under 30 arms. They will be even more effective if they have at least 3, perhaps 4, 200 inning guys in the rotation.
The team, as presently constituted, is younger, more athletic, MUCH better defensively, and has a MUCH better starting staff. Provided of course, they finish the deal on Burnett and add either Pettitte or Sheets to the mix.
Seems like Cashman has tried to do more than simply upgrade the pitching and get younger. What’s behind sending Tabata and Melky packing? Trying to improve the “professional” atmosphere and focus on the game itself? Cameron may be many things, bet one of them is his attitude toward the game. Certainly that can be said about CC and Swisher (who, bu the way, seems very likely to keep the infield alive–kind of a gritty player versus the arrogance of the newly wealthy). Yankees have enough to win and if they do sign a bat, they have plenty of time to search for one.
I am disappointed Tex won’t be a Yankee, but this team is much much better so far if everyone performs reasonably well.
i know matsui is coming off 2 knee surgeries but i have alot of faith he’s gonna come through next season. the yankees did the right thing last year in shutting him down so he could get the surgery done and be healthy by ST, because we really need him to come through this year.
a heathy matsui is better protection than giambi imo and to a great degree the yankees offense next year will depend on what godzilla (and posada) gives us.
Dan Graziano’s blog at nj.com says that the Cameron deal is likely to include a pitching prospect, but not Ian Kennedy.
His blog entry after that trade update is hysterical if you get a chance to read it. The 3:42 a.m. update, that is.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/
Graziano has turned into one of my favorite reads in the morning, and I’ll miss him when he’s gone at the end of the year.
Like a Melky for Cameron deal. Takes Yanks from well below average in CF offensively to a little above. And Cameron is only a one year seat warmer.
For those who won’t let Teixiera to the Yankees die, consider this: By my count, barring trades, everything from Cameron forward is +40% for ’09. Luxury Tax threshold for ’09 is $162M and Cameron sends them over that number. So as they look to round out their rotation and bench, consider that the money do that (let’s say for the sake of argument we’re taking Burnett at $17M, Pettitte at $12M and maybe another million or so for the bench) runs another $30M, which is really $42M to the Yankees.
I really think it’s cool that LeBron James says “we” when talking about the Yankees…
At least Cameron gives the Yanks a true righty /lefty platoon in CF. He has speed, can steal a base and hit for power(or strikeout). Their bench greatly improves with this move. Gardener is tailor made to pinch run/4th outfield until he can prove otherwise. It’s been a while since the Yanks have had bench players who can actually do something beside pinch hit/play DH or just otherwise block true bench players.
SJ44 – with the Yankees releasing Abreu, Giambi, Moose and Pavano, and signing Cameron, Sabathia, and Burnett, do you think they are done?
I know they wanted to shave payroll but that would REALLY be shaving payroll
Then Matsui is gone next year.
Doreen
December 11th, 2008 at 8:29 am
Dan Graziano’s blog at nj.com says that the Cameron deal is likely to include a pitching prospect, but not Ian Kennedy.
His blog entry after that trade update is hysterical if you get a chance to read it. The 3:42 a.m. update, that is.
http://www.nj.com/yankees/
Graziano has turned into one of my favorite reads in the morning, and I’ll miss him when he’s gone at the end of the year.
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For the salary relief the Brewers are getting, I’d think that a Chase Wright or Jason Jones would be sufficient.
looks to me like the nats and o’s are going to get into thier first beltway bidding war over tex. neither team can afford to allow the other to get the local (annapolis) guy to become the centerpiece of the other’s franchise. maybe they’re both secretly hoping the saux or angels bail them out by taking him out of thier orbit.
still, the O’s have NOTHING (okay markakis is great but not a franchise ‘face’) and they really need to build a new identity unless they think they can exsist by selling tickets to yankees and red sox fans. i know the price is steep, but how can they not go all in on tex and make him Mr. Oriole for the next dacade? especially when theres the chance of him ending up in D.C.
I’m psyched about the Cameron acquisition. It improves the CF situation a great deal while also allowing Gardner an opportunity to play.
Doreen,
I also like Graziano. He’s a good writer and a fun read.
Where is he going? Is he leaving the Star Ledger?
The newspaper industry is in complete shambles.
I heard yesterday (don’t know if its true) that Newsday is canning Davidoff, Howard, and Powell, 3 of their 4 columnists.
I guess they are being offered other jobs but they will lose their columns.
Another good newspaper Sam Zell destroyed.
Not Chase Wright. Who will spot start against the Sox with him gone? Tears will be shed.
I don’t think the Yanks will sign Sheets or Pettitte. I think they’ll wrap up AJ, then let Hughes, Aceves and Kennedy compete for the last spot.
Russell:
With the addition of Burnett and another pitcher (Pettitte?), they’d be a shade over $190M.
Yankees get a break from the Luxury tax because of the new stadium
I agree Patrick, it is a great move. Cameron’s bat helps immensely.
The way it looks right now, the Yankees lineup has 9 players who should be no worse then league average at their positions next season.
If the Yankees sign Burnett it is a lock that Pettitte comes back. No way the Yankees sign Burnett AND Sheets. Then have question marks about Joba’s arm in the rotation with his innings limit.
Yanks want 200 inning guys, which is why they were linked to Lowe. Petitte should be that guy.
SJ44 -
Star Ledger is having financial troubles, as are so many newspapers these days. I’m not sure where Graziano is going, but he did make it sound like he’s leaving the Star Ledger. I hope he turns up somewhere else and quickly.
I’m not sure if the Star Ledger will end up folding entirely, and if they do, I know I will be in a bind. The other “local” papers around my corner of the world don’t even compare. And living in NJ, we’re already overrun by NY/Philly media. The internet is such a two-edged sword, isn’t it?
All these new toys for christmas that we can’t play with until spring,uhg!
JD
December 11th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Not Chase Wright. Who will spot start against the Sox with him gone? Tears will be shed.
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You forget that Wright was 2-0 for NYY and he had a no hitter through 2 outs in the 4th inning. But, don’t let facts cloud your vision.
Doreen
I like reading Graziano as well. His writing always seems well balanced with a sense of humor short on the mean spiritedness found in many NYC papers. If you’re a good writer, you don’t need rants and gimmicks.
damn, davidoff was a good columnist a go-to guy, not a guy who thought he had to make stuff up (gallo, rosenthal) or spend all his time puffing himself up (lupica).
i hope he lands well if its true.
If they get Burnett done by the time Cash leaves the meetings, the ball will be in Andy Pettitte’s court.
Does he take the Yankees one year offer or do they turn to Ben Sheets?
Depending on who you believe, there are mixed reviews re: Sheets and the Yankees. Some say his MRI’s were fine, others say they weren’t.
That info determines Sheets’ fate. If his MRI’s are clean, he is still in the mix because Girardi, and Eppler LOVE the guy.
If there is any pause on his health, they will pass.
They will probably keep that info tightly held to keep any leverage they feel they have with Pettitte.
Its always fascinating to me how teams work. Who they hardline in negotiations and who they don’t.
Its one of the “games within the game” that always interests me.
“still, the O’s have NOTHING (okay markakis is great but not a franchise ‘face’)”
Markakis is terrific and sometime around late May, early June, the O’s will have the best catcher in the AL East playing for them. While a signing of a guy like Izturis probably has O’s fans throwing up in their mouth, they have some things to look forward to down there. Trade of Bedard was the steal of the decade in MLB and they are finally capitalizing a bit on the draft pick benefits that come with being a bottom feeder.
SJ44
You are right about Sam Zell. A rapacious vulture and a blight on America.
Thanks Fredo.. didn’t realize it was that high.
“Yankees get a break from the Luxury tax because of the new stadium”
They get a revenue sharing break but I’m not sure they get a luxury tax break.
“Yankees get a break from the Luxury tax because of the new stadium”
Don’t believe so. They get a break from REVENUE SHARING, but not LUXURY TAX as I understand it.
**MELKY + PITCHER FOR CAMERON**
According to a source familiar with the discussions, the Yankees were moving toward a trade that would send Cabrera and a young pitcher, believed to be on the current 40-man roster, in exchange for Cameron.
http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....a_out.html
…probably its not Melky for Cameron straight up.
“You forget that Wright was 2-0 for NYY and he had a no hitter through 2 outs in the 4th inning. But, don’t let facts cloud your vision.”
Sorry if your a relative of his but with the depth in pitching the Yanks have it’s easy for me to see him go.
PLease let that pitcher be Igawa.
Where’s Pete he needs to wake up.
it would be terrible if the yankees do not sign 2 more pitchers & let hughes/acevez battle for the 5th.
it might work out but not on paper.
why stop 1 pitcher pieces short?
if we get burnett why not get 1 more pitcher that will take a lot of pressure off the team,joba,hughes,etc….
if joba didn;t have a pitch count limit & can be used in the 3rd spot or 4th then i wouldn’t mind but joba being in the 5th spot makes all the sense in the world.
signing 2 more pitchers aligns the rotation perfectly.
if we only sign 1 pitcher there would be a lot more pressure on the team with joba in the 4th spot & hughes/acevez in the 5th or hughes/acevez in the 4th & joba in the 5th.
having 4 solid starters & joba in the 5th spot will make all the difference in the world.
the offense as long as they can hit in the right situations can be good enough.
“The internet is such a two-edged sword, isn’t it?”
so true. we are so much better informed about the things we want to be informed about: yankees farm system, stock market, who j-lo (or arod) had lunch with yesterday, but we know less about the things we dont seek out. the paper enforced some discipline on you by what the editors decided made it into the paper. someone was deciding for us that the collapse of angola was more important for us to know about than whether britney looked pregnant at her concert last night.
but less filtering leads to a more market-based valuation of the news, and it turns out nobody around here gives a fig about darfur, and dammit, i wanna know what color shoes she wore with that outfit!
Hmm. I posted this a moment ago but it didn’t show. I’ll try again.
Just noticed that all OF currently on the roster have good reason to play hard this year. Damon, Nady, Cameron and Matsui are all free agents and fighting for new contracts. Gardner is fighting for a spot. Nice job Cashman, enhancing the competitive level should show up in the standings.
Is this the simple definition of luxury tax versus revenue sharing:
Luxury tax = player salaries
Revenue sharing = monies earned from television, concessions, tickets sales, etc.?
Revenue sharing is split among teams depending on “need.”
Luxury tax is put into an MLB fund with specific avenues for the money.
(I would love to master this subject for once and for all!
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Mike Cameron?
Another 35 year old?
Oh, brother.
think it is humberto sanchez???
“PLease let that pitcher be Igawa.”
Is Igawa on the 40 man anymore????
ham fighter-
I’m not so sure it’s the internet. Reading papers is largely a commuter activity. That’s why Saturday is the lowest circulated edition of the week.
“think it is humberto sanchez???”
Wouldn’t bother me if it were, but no. I think it would be a guy who can start.
i hope it isn’t giese
I am very disappointed with the Melky for Cameron trade. We trade a young kid with some good promise and get an aging outfielder.
i bet it is chase wright or sanchez
Can’t really see Cameron getting the same production at The Stadium.
Maybe Swisher has a shot at 30 dingers.
It does seem though that while we had no room for error last year regarding the rotation, we have no room for error this season regarding the lineup.
It’s gonna be tough scoring 800 runs again. Hopefully they wont need to.
Doreen:
I think you pretty much have it right.
JD
December 11th, 2008 at 8:49 am
“You forget that Wright was 2-0 for NYY and he had a no hitter through 2 outs in the 4th inning. But, don’t let facts cloud your vision.”
Sorry if your a relative of his but with the depth in pitching the Yanks have it’s easy for me to see him go.
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Jesus…I can’t help it that you don’t like being set straight on facts. Get over it. It has nothing to do with whether I’m a relative or not. He’s expendable, but, he’d be just fine in a place like Milwaukee or San Diego. He a control pitcher that NYY has plenty of that’s much better. The difference is that Wright is left handed.
i bet chase wright,final answer.
igawa is not on the roster.
They get a break from revenue sharing, not the luxury tax.
If you are the Orioles, and you don’t do whatever it takes to sign Tex, their season ticketholders should revolt.
They haven’t had a winning season since 1996. Peter Angelos makes a TON of money with the team. The regional cable deal alone brings in over 40 million a year. That includes what they fleeced the Nationals for in order for Angelos to waive his rights in the area.
Andy McPhail is starting to turn them around. Its a great baseball town. He needs a big bat, and big presence, in the lineup.
Angelos has to step up to the plate and make that deal.
If they lose Tex to say, the Red Sox, they pretty much guarantee themselves a 4th or 5th place finish for the next 5 years.
It would take them out of any realistic chance to compete, given what the Rays, Red Sox and Yankees are doing, both on the major league and minor league levels.
If they step up and sign Tex, they have the makings of a pretty solid team in the next couple of years.
If not, they are cooked.
Igawa’s not on the 40. It will probably be someone like Britton, Geise, Jones or Wright.
I’m very happy with this Cameron deal, particularly if Melky is the primary player going bac,
I’ve written about this before – but upgrading CF was an absolute must. No question about it. Not with the deficiencies in the other part of the line up.
Is Cameron great? No. Does he have huge limitation to his game? Sure. He strikes out way to much. We know that.
But what people have to remember is that centerfielders in general are horrible offensive players. There just aren’t many good ones.
Cameron hits for a low average. Sure. But one of this teams biggest problems last season was that they stopped working counts and running up pitch counts as they’ve done in the past.
Abreu and Giambi are gone. But look who they’ve brought on board – both Swisher and Cameron are amongst the league leaders in pitches seen per at bat every year.
Last year Cameron saw 4.2 pitches per at bat. Melky saw 3.7. That a huge upgrade.
Seeing all of those pitches is why Cameron strikes out a lot. But on the flip side he also draws a lot of walks. His OBP is often 80-90 points higher than his batting average. So Cameron gets on base higher than a league average player while playing CF. That’s very valuable and a huge upgrade from melky/gardner.
Then in addition to the OBP Cameron hits for a lot of power.
Last season only 8 CF in all of baseball had an OPS of over .800. Mike Cameron was one of them.
In addition he plays a very good defensive CF. Not as good as he was at his peak but he’s still very good.
Last year Cameron was 5-13 runs better than a league average CF. That’s excellent.
Finally, you need to compare what Gardner/ Melky were likely to give you vs. what Cameron will. That’s the choice.
Cameron is going to be around 30 runs better at the plate than Gardner or Melky are likely to be. 30 runs. That’s 3 additional wins.
To add 3 additional wins to your team is enormous. TO put that in context adding CC to the team adds 5-6 extra wins. To get 3 additional wins for $10M is a steal.
To put 3 additional wins in another context. If the yankees were to sign Tex to replace Swisher they would pick up 3 additional wins.
Getting Cameron has way more bang for the buck than getting Tex would have.
Upgrading CF was by far the most efficient possible way for them to improve the offense because the player they had at that spot could very well have been awful at the plate (just as Melky and Gardner were last year…).
And I don’t want to hear about Gardner having 2 decent weeks in September. You can’t plan based on that.
“Is Igawa on the 40 man anymore????”
no, he’s not, which is why his name has been thrown around a bit as a guy who might get picked off in the Rule V draft today (or whenever it is… i think its this afternoon).
id prob bet on a Chase Wright-type. next tier down from the Hughes’s and Kennedy’s of the prospects.
but, if this trade goes down, and it’s two for one, and the Yankees dont add Sabathia to the 40 man roster, doesnt that allow the Yankees to have a pick themselves in the Rule V draft with an open 40-man roster spot?
maybe Cashman has his eye on someone that was left unprotected?
So it looks like the reports that Cashman wanted to reduce payroll were greatly exaggerated. With the Cameron trade, Sabathia signing, my guesses on arbitration raises and some minor raises to the players at the minimum the payroll sits at $176 million. If they sign Pettitte for $12 mill and Burnett to a 5 year $80 million deal, the payroll will be right around $205 million. Thats just slightly less than the 2008 payroll.
Doreen
Other than bloggers who still maintain some level of literacy, the true influence of the internet is the added focus on visual thinking. No need to read if you can simply point and click on an icon. Newspapers are an obvious victim in this techno-cultural shift, but books seem to be surviving as literate readers are reading more. And reading on the train has been replaced by books on tape (disk) and ipods/mp3s.
Maybe that’s why we like baseball–no matter how much change goes on in our lives, baseball maintains some consistency for us.
Ooops, soory for going on like that.
good analysis, CB.
Geez, we have another special needs kid, on his 4th name, in the blog again.
You would think his parents would get him help or get him into school.
Another failure in an American household.
i hope it is not brackman or giese.
if it is brackman i will be pissed.
Melky and a friend for Cameron? Please let it be Igawa!
bru,
Brackman? The Yanks are not insane.
So I woke up this morning to some news, good and bad –
1. Record number of blog hits (good for Pete).
2. Looks like we get Mike Cameron to hold CF until Brett or AJax shows he’s capable; maybe Melky gets it together in Milwaukee (good for us, maybe good also for Melky).
3. Looks like AJ Burnett as another “Number 1″ SP for us, albeit at 5 years; Cito Gaston says he never had any injury concerns about him this year. (Potentially real good for us, potential insurance if CC goes away after 3 years; doesn’t necessarily block our using MiL pitching depth, rather gives them more time to develop in minors without pressure.
4. Losing Dan Graziano covering the Yankees? Ken Davidoff leaving Newsday? Very bad for newspaper industry, and for the 20th Century crowd – like me.
I suspect Chase Wright. No way the Yankees are giving up on H. Sanchez just yet.
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Back to the rotation…
This Cameron move is a very low-risk maneuver and if the Yankees finish up their offseason plan with similar types of moves I think we’ll see Pettitte signed instead of Sheets, especially after signing an injury concern like AJ Burnett. I think the Yankees want Pettitte’s innings.
Just a minute ago I was thinking that they needed to cut 10 million somewhere since they brought in Cameron but then I thought, hey, they’re gonna be over the luxury tax limit anyways.
Burnett + Pettitte then on to the bench and this thing’s over.
TurnTwo
December 11th, 2008 at 9:01 am
but, if this trade goes down, and it’s two for one, and the Yankees dont add Sabathia to the 40 man roster, doesnt that allow the Yankees to have a pick themselves in the Rule V draft with an open 40-man roster spot?
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Until Sabathia or anybody else is officially signed, there’s no reason to open a spot for him or anybody else. They’re on nobody’s roster.
“Jesus…I can’t help it that you don’t like being set straight on facts”
In fairness, GB, the facts on Wright are that he made three appearances for the Yankees and wasn’t very good in any of them. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the potential be a low end of the rotation guy, especially in the NL, but he was pretty clearly out of his element in the bigs in 2007.
I think CC mugged us.
nobody else was offering anything close to 100 million dollars (Brewers offered deferred pymts), and $140 wasn’t enough, he demanded another $20 mill.
If he delivers all is forgotten. If if waivers or flounders the booing and heat will be merciless.
Doreen
Revenue Sharing- $ from the sources you said- All teams pay the same percent into a general fund and the money is then distributed equally back. The Yankees with 300 million in revenue may put in 90 million but only get 30 million back while the Royals may put in 10 million and get 30 million back.
Luxury Tax- I think this year the floor is around 160 million so anything the Yankees payout above that number they pay the competitive balance tax on. The money gets put in a general fund that is used to promote MLB corporate, baseball programs in countries without organized baseball foundations and players benefits.
I’m betting Melky and Veras or Melky and Edwar for Cameron.
Any piece more significant would be too much.
Very good analysis, CB.
Cashman has, and still does, want to reduce payroll. However, when you miss the playoffs, and certain guys become available, you have to make tough calls.
One thing he is doing is limiting long term committments.
Even CC’s deal is, in essence, a 3 year deal.
When you look at the roster, with few exceptions (Arod, if they sign Burnett, etc), they are basically working with a 3 year window to win, since that’s when the majority of the guys on the team have their contracts expiring.
Perhaps, the internal compromise becomes, taking on more salary than originally desired but for less years.
SJ44 December 11th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Geez, we have another special needs kid, on his 4th name, in the blog again.
You would think his parents would get him help or get him into school.
Another failure in an American household.
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Cut the Palins a break SJ. Blogging is the least of their troubles.
Phil Parcells,
Its not as bad as you think. The Brewers increased their offer to 5 years and more than $100 million (the exact number was never specified). I know the original Yankee offer had no deferred money but I read the new 7 year deal has some deferred money. Can anyone confirm this?
Patrick
ESPN crawl last night said no deferred money and no trade currently under negotiation. Take that for what it’s worth.
“Until Sabathia or anybody else is officially signed, there’s no reason to open a spot for him or anybody else. They’re on nobody’s roster.”
well yeah, that was my point… if they push this trade thru before the Rule V, the Yankees will/should have an open spot on the 40 man roster, which would give them a crack at someone who was left unprotected by another organization.
wonder if thats part of the thought process here, or if thats giving Cashman too much credit… that this just has to do with Cameron, and nothing else.
reported that no money is deferred.
Fredo Corleone
December 11th, 2008 at 9:07 am
“Jesus…I can’t help it that you don’t like being set straight on facts”
In fairness, GB, the facts on Wright are that he made three appearances for the Yankees and wasn’t very good in any of them. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the potential be a low end of the rotation guy, especially in the NL, but he was pretty clearly out of his element in the bigs in 2007.
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He also came out of Single A ball to make those starts. He had maybe 2 AA starts. He won, but, he was placed in position where not much good could happen and he still kept them in the games long enough for the team to win. He was pitching in place of Wang and Pettitte who were on the DL coming out of spring training.
Patrick-
it’s not the size of the money that bothers me, it’s the premium we had to pay.
CB – what do you do for your day job? Your posts are uniformly well-thought, researched, and written. One of the reasons why I keep coming back (besides Pete’s sense of humor).
I’ve long thought that Melky and Veras/Edwar for Cameron made a lot of sense. Plus, that would open up a spot for Dave Robertson, potentially, someone who I think has a lot of potential, and can be more consistent than either of Veras or Edwar.
Luxury tax still in play at 40% for every dollar above 162 million in payroll, which now looks to be about 200 million if Burnett, Sheets/Pettitte, Cameron, bench player added!!
Turn Two
I doubt they could push the trade through that quickly–need physicals and don’t contracts need league approval?
wait, mlbtraderumors says cameron for Melky and or Kennedy? You gotta be kidding me. I saw a lot of this guy last year. His defensive range has diminished. Could be have really thrown in Austin Jackson or Phil Hughes and gotten Johan Santana with these two guys, yet all they can get us is a CF due to have a bad year… well, he’s CC’s friend right:
Cameron’s numbers with the Yanks would be worse than with the mets.
My prediction:
Cameron .230, 20 HR, 60 RBI, 140 K. Yeah, 20 HR’s isn’t bad but it’s not necessary.
AROD still has no HR protection in this lineup either.
If they sign Pettitte, the AAA rotation will be better crazy good:
Phil Hughes
Ian Kennedy
Alfredo Aceves
Zachary McAllister (at some point in 2009)
Alan Horne
how sad are the O’s?
im a yankees fan my whole long life. i think about where tex is going to land and i assume its not the yankees, my first choice of course would be D.C., but i dont see any way that happens. so its between the saux, the angels and the O’s
for a long time the yanks-o’s rivalry was right up there with the sox-yanks. frank robnison, earl weaver, cal ripkin, jeff meier. now they’re so irrelevent that i’d rather have tex end up with the O’s than the angels, b/c the angels make the PS every year and you dont even think of the O’s playing PS games.
i know they’re working on the young talent and they’ve got good stuff coming and adam jones is supossed to be a sure thing….but i still hope tex ends up in charm city rather than anaheim. i may regret saying that in 5 years, but for now, its true.
pat -
Thanks. It took 2 years of reading this blog, going back and forth to double check on other sites and a real need to focus on the difference, but I think, by George, I’ve finally got it!
(I think it finally clicked that revenue is based on income while luxury is based on outgo and then everything else fell into place.)
Green Barrette,
You do the same crap.
Kennedy’s not in it.
Also Stark just said on Mike and Mike that it looks like we’re also getting Burnett.
TurnTwo
December 11th, 2008 at 9:15 am
“Until Sabathia or anybody else is officially signed, there’s no reason to open a spot for him or anybody else. They’re on nobody’s roster.”
well yeah, that was my point… if they push this trade thru before the Rule V, the Yankees will/should have an open spot on the 40 man roster, which would give them a crack at someone who was left unprotected by another organization.
wonder if thats part of the thought process here, or if thats giving Cashman too much credit… that this just has to do with Cameron, and nothing else.
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Yeah, I knew that you know about that part of the 40 man roster, just for a couple who didn’t. I’d think that Milwaukee would want to wait until after the Rule 5 draft, because they’d need to find a spot for one of the two and risk losing somebody they like more.
I think alot of you are missing the point on Cameron. Sure he’s here for only 1 year and leaves CF open for 2010, that’s great. But for 2009 he gives us really good defensive CF, even at 36 years old. We need that.
Pete’s got to be dead right??? He’s usually on top of these trades right when they are happening. Someone should go knock on his hotel room door.
i would not trade melky & kennedy or for kennedy straight up.
if this is the case kill it now.
i would rather trade kennedy & some prospects & get a younger cf that will probably cost less money if a trade like that is possible.
Well, I see that I have an imposter talking to Steve. My guess is that it’s JD.
If they took someone in the rule 5 draft, they’d have to stay on the 25 man roster the whole year or be given back. I don’t see the Yanks having open spots to spend on maturing youngsters.
“He also came out of Single A ball to make those starts. He had maybe 2 AA starts. He won, but, he was placed in position where not much good could happen and he still kept them in the games long enough for the team to win”
Think we’re pretty much saying the same thing. He wasn’t ready and his performance confirmed that.
Bret the Hitman
December 11th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Green Barrette,
You do the same crap.
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That wasn’t me
Joe,
Thanks for the comment. I enjoy your posts a great deal as well. I’d prefer not to say what I do. It’s work that involves a number of different fields and its fairly quantitative so I’ve worked with statistics quite a bit. I also work a flexible schedule.
I think we might see a lot more movement, both trades and signings announced, after the Rule V draft. Once teams have protected MiL players they want to keep, they’ll move them around to make the ML moves.
Bad Scooter
December 11th, 2008 at 9:23 am
I think alot of you are missing the point on Cameron. Sure he’s here for only 1 year and leaves CF open for 2010, that’s great. But for 2009 he gives us really good defensive CF, even at 36 years old. We need that.
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MLB says that NYY would extend the Cameron contract 1 year at 7 mil through the end of 2010.
I do think Cameron would be a slight upgrade of Gardner, but I really don’t see a $10M value. I typically don’t mind recommending the Yankees spend money but not for a guy who adds to our ever increasing 120+ strikeout guys. I’m sorry, but couldn’t $10M get a player who can make contact with one out and a runner on third? AROD will never see a good pitch to hit. I don’t care if Manny has been a pain to the Red Sox, he would create dozens of additional runs over Cameron and have the side effect of greeatly helping AROD. I would fully expect he would bust his hump if he were a Yankee–new team, home town, show everyone else what they missed.
CB, you’re not Nate Silver right? I think he’s a Tigers fan…
So the non-tender deadline is tomorrow I think. There has been some talk that a lot of players will be non-tendered this offseason. In particular, there has been a lot of speculation that Ty Wigginton will be non-tendered. That could be a pretty good pickup for the Yankees. I think there will be a lot of useful bench players that are made available after the non-tender deadline.
CB & sj44 always post well thought,articulated reads without insulting people for the most part.
well respected.
i cant imagine the yankees taking up a 25-man roster spot for a rule V pick. the yankees need as much flexibility as possible when it comes to the BP as they try to work all thier young arms into the mix. having a guy taking up a spot and likely not contributing much if anything just so they can take him off another organization is not going to happen.
What does the lineup look like with Cameron in it??
if we have to extend him for 7 million i would not do it but obviously we don’t know for sure.
ham fighter
December 11th, 2008 at 9:31 am
i cant imagine the yankees taking up a 25-man roster spot for a rule V pick. the yankees need as much flexibility as possible when it comes to the BP as they try to work all thier young arms into the mix. having a guy taking up a spot and likely not contributing much if anything just so they can take him off another organization is not going to happen.
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As of right now, NYY won’t be going for any of the Rule 5′s. They have a full 40 man roster, now. They’d have to drop somebody.
Looks like its imposter morning on the blog. At last count, that’s 2 folks who are getting nailed by imposters this morning. Probably more to follow.
Bret the Hitman
about what?
cb & sj44?
Looks like P. Abe had (or is still having) a great late night on the Strip!!!
“What does the lineup look like with Cameron in it??”
My opinion:
LF Damon
SS Jeter
3B Rodriguez
DH Matsui
C Posada
2B Cano
1B Swisher
RF Nady
CF Cameron
I can see extending Mike Cameron an additional year. He would provide insurance for Austin Jackson.
Rather than the FA route, I think Cash might use some MiL pitching depth to get another OF next year. The glut of FA OFs now doesn’t help next year. Besides, Damon and Nady are Scott Boras clients, so you can’t count on their returning.
Some Lugo for Byrnes scuttlebut out there. Always wondered why teams don’t more frequently exchange similar, but hideous, contracts to address, to some small degree, their respective needs.
bob mac twists the cameron signing to show the yankees need manny…..cameron’s strikeouts mean that arod will never see a pitch? thats and interesting observations.
you know i hate a quitter (see randy johnson) but now that you’ve assured me that he would be on his best behavior, it has completly changed my mind about that guy. i guess he was just misunderstood in boston. but no worry that he would ever feel misunderstood in NY. not when hes playing with Arod, who’s never misunderstood…..
Guys, its 6:30 in Vegas. Why should Pete be up right now?
“Some Lugo for Byrnes scuttlebut out there. Always wondered why teams don’t more frequently exchange similar, but hideous, contracts to address, to some small degree, their respective needs.”
As I wrote that, MLBTR indicates that the Snakes signed Felipe Lopez. Nevermind.
Joe from Long Island
December 11th, 2008 at 9:35 am
I can see extending Mike Cameron an additional year. He would provide insurance for Austin Jackson.
Rather than the FA route, I think Cash might use some MiL pitching depth to get another OF next year. The glut of FA OFs now doesn’t help next year. Besides, Damon and Nady are Scott Boras clients, so you can’t count on their returning.
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Since NYY’s full outfield would be Boras FAs at the end of the year, it would give Jackson time to break in at one of the corners and rest against some of the tough right handers like Halliday and Beckett.
Is anyone else concerned about replacing the run production from Abreu and Giambi with Nick Swisher and Mike Cameron??? Sure, the pitching should be better and help. But its a little worrysome in my book.
Cameron for Melky? That’s a smart move by Cashman. Cameron is a good stopgap till Ajax emerges from the minors…
If anybody wants I can update some of the Yankee losses from the Rule 5 draft as soon as the happen.
Boogie,
I also am concerned, and call me crazy, but I would like to see Manny in a Yankees lineup. That would change the offense completely. Everyone can agree with that fact. How many players can you sign and be sure they will produce big numbers?
“I do think Cameron would be a slight upgrade of Gardner, but I really don’t see a $10M value.”
Mike Cameron looks to be anywhere around a 3 win upgrade from gardner.
For the yankees each additional win is worth around $5.5M.
Cameron projects to be worth $16.5M to the yankees.
He’s getting paid 10M.
Not a bad deal for the club.
Even if Cameron only winds up being a 2 win upgrade over Gardner he would be worth $11M.
Cameron is very unlikely to not be worth the $10M he is being paid.
“If anybody wants I can update some of the Yankee losses from the Rule 5 draft as soon as the happen.”
Please do… when does the draft start anyways?
“not exactly scaring anyone with THAT !”
Haha you are a loser, use an original name.
Last few posts are not mine. I’ll refrain from posting until Pete is around again, so we can get rid of the imposter.
“As I wrote that, MLBTR indicates that the Snakes signed Felipe Lopez. Nevermind.”
I love the fact that the Sox just can’t even give Lugo away.
I thought that a deal for Byrnes for them would have been a good one. Lugo is completely dead weight as Lowerie looks to be a significantly better player both defensively and offensively.
It’s amazing how winning creates amnesia. Matt Clement, Lugo, Crisp, tampering with JD Drew to sign him to an over market deal…. It’s like none of those things happened.
Is anyone else concerned about replacing the run production from Abreu and Giambi with Nick Swisher and Mike Cameron???
Look at it this way- Matsui and Posada replace the production of Abreu and Giambi which means Swisher and Cameron would be replacing the production of Molina and Gardner. Head to head, I would be concerned but it’s not head to head. It’s the combination of 9.
I’m flattered once again to be impersonated on this blog.
While I have nothing for or against sj44 regarding his post about special needs kids, that was not me posting it.
I haven’t had a chance to scroll up but I have only made one comment today, and that was speculating that it was Edwar or Veras in the trade for Cameron.
Any other comments were not me (if anyone cares)
They are replacing Molina, Melky, Abreu, and Giambi with Posada, Cameron, Nady, and Swisher.
the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Molina and Melky were God awful last year so, relacing them with + bats is great. Swisher and Nady, while not the offensive players Abreu and Giambi are, are better fielders. A run saved is worth just as much as a run scored, no?
GreenBeret7
December 11th, 2008 at 9:41 am
If anybody wants I can update some of the Yankee losses from the Rule 5 draft as soon as the happen.
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Please do and it’s appreciated, GB. West coast reports are slow being 3 hours behind.
i like the Cameron Melky Trade . .Melky was terrible last year and gives me no reason to see any upsdie . Cameron is what he is . . a Stop Gap . .250 15 hr 50 RBI centerfielder
Green Beret – I would love the updates on the Rule V.
What time does it start? Last until?
Is Ivan Nova exposed – I have seen conflicting reports. Although I cannot imagine someone like him who needs a lot of work will get picked.
Who are we likely to lose: Cox, Whelan, Anson, Corona – thoughts
As I have been saying for weeks, we need bats as well. We all knew that we were going to get at least 2 FA pitchers as did Cashman. But, there is a reason that he went to meet with Tex last week as he knew he would be spending tons of money on pitching. Do you think he went there to drive up the price on everyone else?
He went there to look Tex in the eye and see if he wanted to be a Yankee. Now he has to find a way to make that happen or settle for Manny. If Tex goes to Boston then the Angels will be in on Manny.
Cash has lots of work to do. He has to find a way to trade Matsui and or Nady if he signs one of those two players. Swish to right if we sign Tex and Manny to DH if we sign him.
With the money coming off next year we can live with higher payroll for 1 season in transitional year into new stadium.
Is there anyone here who doesn’t want a gold glove 1B with high character?
Article in News on Tex.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....eix-1.html
Patrick
December 11th, 2008 at 9:43 am
“If anybody wants I can update some of the Yankee losses from the Rule 5 draft as soon as the happen.”
Please do… when does the draft start anyways?
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Trying to locate it on MLB.com, but says that it’s supposed to end by 11:30 AM EST. I thought it would be streamed live. I’ll update when I find it. Sorry.
SJ44,
I have an imposter as well. Got stuff to do. Have a great day everyone.
I’m guessing Pete is getting final confirmination from Bud Selig before he post.
GB7 – nice offer to update Rule V draft.
It’s unfortunate that regular posters turn away from posting here due to bad behavior by others. I’m taking a day off today, while work is being done on my house, and reading the blog is something I look forward to while home.
Miggs and Sj, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Or, you must be doing something right if you’re pissing off the trolls.
I know its early in Vegas but this in the 2nd day in a row Pete has slept through a big story breaking.
Do you guys think his bosses care?
“It’s amazing how winning creates amnesia.”
So true. Even closer to home than Boston. When you watch Yankee Classics on YES, many players people think of as always getting it done, struck out, popped up and hit into lots of DPs. Many were good players that have been elevated in lore through the use of ring colored glasses.
Considering the options, I can’t be upset about having Cameron in CF. To me Melky was like the Yankees’ version of endy Chavez – some fans tend to think they’re way better than they really are because they both made those very memorable playis in the outfield. Melky, you seem like a good kid…but Mike Cameron is a better player.
Just saw an article on mlbtraderumors that there is talk of expanding the Cabrera for Cameron deal to include Bill Hall (I think Brandon gets all excited over him). Perhaps we can send back Igawa as the pitcher (I know he is not on the 40 man) as the Yanks would at least clear some salary for taking on the Hall contract.
Here is a repost from me last night that I wanted to share with all today:
As I was watching ESPN and Gammons was reporting on the CC deal and the apparent pending offer to Burnett, my 11 yr old daughter said unsolicited “That man looks like he doesn’t want to be there”.
I LMAO as Gammons looked like he was going to throw up. If we sign Manny or Tex he may just check out completely. His heart will not take that.
**Yanks back in Teixiera’s sweeptakes**
Heyman says the Yankees have re-entered the Teixeira sweepstakes.
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....weepstakes
“there is talk of expanding the Cabrera for Cameron deal to include Bill Hall (I think Brandon gets all excited over him). ”
NO he won’t….Bill Hall is a poor man verison of Wilson Betemit. right GB7?
I really do not understand why so many people want an all star at every spot in the lineup. They have tried that the past 7 years and it has not worked. The bottom four of the ’98 yankees lineup was:
DH Darryl Strawberry
.247, 24 HR, 57 RBI
C Jorge Posada
.268, 17 HR, 63 RBI
3B Scott Brosius
.300, 19 HR, 98 RBI
LF Chad Curtis
.243, 10 HR, 56 RBI, 21 SB
That isn’t really the most intimidating lineup and that is with Brosius having a career year. That team just got it done and what says this current Yankee team won’t get it done. Give them a chance before you are so negative. They are set up to have great pitching this year (kind of like the ’98 team) and should not need to score 10 runs a game. I am not saying they are going to come close to the ’98 team but lets give them a chance first before you write them off.
Miggs
December 11th, 2008 at 9:54 am
“I know its early in Vegas but this in the 2nd day in a row Pete has slept through a big story breaking.
Do you guys think his bosses care?”
Miggs, give the guy a break. I don’t think you can name another baseball blog that consistently has as many updates as this one.
There are no red sox ones that even come close.
Before I turn to some other reading…
MLBTR is reporting that Bill Hall may become part of the Cameron-Melky deal. The downside of Hall, from Yankees’ perspective, is salary – 6.8M next year, 8.4M the next. Would Nick Punto command as much? I wouldn’t think so.
Just for giggles and to get people getting silly again for Teixeira. I don’t buy it, but, should be great theatre.
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....weepstakes
Heyman = Boras’ mouthpiece
So does this make it pretty much official?
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....a_t-1.html
Wow, what a morning!
I’m ecstatic about Cameron. Looks like all that talk about the Yanks keeping their payroll down was just talk.
The Yanks seem to be interested in adding Bill Hall to the Cameron deal. He’d be a good backup in the infield.
Plus, Ken Davidoff says the Yanks are close on AJ and Heyman says the Yanks are back in the Teixeira derby.
Wow.
Bill Hall is a poor man’s verison of Wilson Betemit. a butcher in the field!!
My Christmas list was CC, AJ and Tex… and as Meatloaf says, two out of three ain’t bad.
I have mixed feelings on Cameron and it has nothing to do with $$$. He makes them better next year, but I would like to see Melky have a chance to grow up. Plus he would be very useful as a late inning RF defensive replacement. However, without Tex there was a power shortage in the lineup and Cameron improves that situation. If Veras is included it’s a terrible deal.
A-Rod has been the best hitter in the lineup for most of his career. He doesn’t need protection, he’s the protector. A quality bat behind him is important because those guys must drive in runs, but teams will pitch ARod carefully no matter what.
The 2009 pitching staff and defense will be better. The keys to the lineup will be Nady, Posada and Matsui. I’d love a bigger bat in there, but that’s not happening without moving Matsui which I don’t see happening.
Joe from Long Island
December 11th, 2008 at 9:52 am
GB7 – nice offer to update Rule V draft.
It’s unfortunate that regular posters turn away from posting here due to bad behavior by others. I’m taking a day off today, while work is being done on my house, and reading the blog is something I look forward to while home.
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Not a problem on that, Joe. The problem is getting to the site at the right time. It should be streaming now if they play on finishing by 11:30 AM, EST
I think we can place Burnett and Sheets on the DL already.
GB and ED, sleep deprivation, booze, and fresh oxygen being pumped in makes people do impulsive things in Vegas.
Ed – CC a Yankee! (slacking in class now)
December 11th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Yanks back in Teixiera’s sweeptakes
Heyman says the Yankees have re-entered the Teixeira sweepstakes.
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....weepstakes
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Alright, Ed. Just who do you think you are, stealing my posts and links before I can get them on the board? Watch it. Santa doesn’t like sneaky kids.
“Heyman says the Yankees have re-entered the Teixeira sweepstakes.”
Jon Heyman is a joke. He is well known as a guy that will report anything Scott Boras tells him. He is a complete sellout, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was on the Boras payroll. You can’t trust anything the guy says when he is reporting on a Boras client.
Serious question: Are there other people out there who prefer the youth movement to signing a veritable posse of hired guns? As young and as fallible as they are, I would rather root for Ian Kennedy, Phil Hughes, etc., than AJ Burnett or Derek Lowe, even if they perform worse. I guess that makes me an aberration of a Yankee fan.
I don’t see the yankees going after Teixeira. This is just Heyman once again acting as Scott Boras’s mouthpiece.
That said I do want to see the yankees at least peripherally involved in the Tex situation if for no other reason than to make the Sox pay through the nose for Tex.
Drive the price up to 10yr/250M. I’d like to see that.
After watching the Sox complete lack of interest in CC it’s funny to think back to last year with all of the protestations about how the Sox were authentically interested in getting Santana. Of course they weren’t simply in it to drive up the price for the yankees.
How many peter gammons reports to that effect did we need to see?
So I’m all for the yankees being right in the thick of it.
Keep making Tex a wealthier man.
Ed – CC a Yankee! (slacking in class now)
December 11th, 2008 at 10:00 am
“there is talk of expanding the Cabrera for Cameron deal to include Bill Hall (I think Brandon gets all excited over him). ”
NO he won’t….Bill Hall is a poor man verison of Wilson Betemit. right GB7?
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He’s actually the very rich version of Betemit.
Tom,
lol….I would seriously be shocked if Cashman did landed Marky Mark at the last mintue via Johnny Damon.
I saw Heyman’s report on the Yanks and Tex. I have a feeling they may be in it to make sure they drive up the price for the Red Sox. If the Yanks aren’t getting him, make sure the Sox pay top dollar.
GB,
lol, he’s still a butcher in the field.
bru
December 11th, 2008 at 9:30 am
CB & sj44 always post well thought,articulated reads without insulting people for the most part.
well respected.
I WOULD SAY, as a frequent reader of this blog and a sometime poster, that they are not interchangeable.
While both are thoughtful in their posts, one’s observations are straight forward, the other’s often smack of self regard and condescension.
CB
December 11th, 2008 at 10:09 am
I don’t see the yankees going after Teixeira. This is just Heyman once again acting as Scott Boras’s mouthpiece.
That said I do want to see the yankees at least peripherally involved in the Tex situation if for no other reason than to make the Sox pay through the nose for Tex.
Drive the price up to 10yr/250M. I’d like to see that.
After watching the Sox complete lack of interest in CC it’s funny to think back to last year with all of the protestations about how the Sox were authentically interested in getting Santana. Of course they weren’t simply in it to drive up the price for the yankees.
How many peter gammons reports to that effect did we need to see?
So I’m all for the yankees being right in the thick of it.
Keep making Tex a wealthier man.
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I only posted it because I thought it would be pure entertainment to watch the trolls cybre-pulling their hair out.
On milb.com it says the rule V STARTS at 11:30 et.
Melky for Cameron with Igawa as a throw in.?? Cash make it happen.
Ed – CC a Yankee! (slacking in class now)
December 11th, 2008 at 10:10 am
GB,
lol, he’s still a butcher in the field.
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Why would you say that? Just because he buys his ball gloves at Scrap-Iron-R-Us.
GB,
the Reds are seriously looking for a righty bat. trade Nady for Keppinger and/or Wilkin Castillo (he plays every position besides 1B) good or bad deal ?!?
“I only posted it because I thought it would be pure entertainment to watch the trolls cybre-pulling their hair out.”
GB…I am shocked that you would want us sox fans to be pulling our hair out!!
I still think Tex ends up with Boston.
Who do you think you guys sign now? Lowe, AJ, Sheets, or maybe Pettite for a year?
jason
December 11th, 2008 at 10:13 am
On milb.com it says the rule V STARTS at 11:30 et.
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Great. Thanks Jason. That gives me time to eat another bowl of Super Sugar Crisp…or smoke a bowl of super…..whatever comes first.
“Heyman says the Yankees have re-entered the Teixeira sweepstakes.”
As much as I wanted Tex, this has to be blatantly untrue. If we sign Tex, what are we doing with Swisher? We just signed Cameron to play CF. If we put Swisher in the OF, we’d have to move either Damon or Nady. Damon has a no trade and won’t want to go. We can trade Nady, but did we really give up Tabata just so that we could move Nady later?
I guess it could happen except I don’t see us topping the Nats offer. I don’t think that Cash wants to spend the entire 88mil that we’ve got free.
GB7,
The entertainment value will be immense. To watch the price driven up for either the sox or orioles would be terrific.
There’s no way the yankees should not be involved. The sox do this all the time to the yankees.
Now if its true that Tex has become Theo’s must have dream player then the yankees absolutely should make sure that they drive his price up as much as possible.
Tex is a very good player. I don’t think he’s a great player. And you really have to give pause to the idea that he’s somehow worth more than $200M.
He’s not Alex. He’s not Manny. He’s not even close to Pujols.
200M is a lot of money.
I’d like to see it go to $250M.
It’s sort of remarkable that when the yankees sign Alex for $275M the team just bid against itself and once again just “bought” a player.
Who knows how much Tex will get. But somehow if the Sox sign tex for $200M+ it will be a shrewd move executed by a ruthlessly efficient organization which has targeted this one player for years and valiantly stopped at nothing to secure him.
It’s really unbelievable.
“I still think Tex ends up with Boston.”
ray, I heard a rumor that if BOS gets Tex, they might not move Lowell, but trade Ortiz instead. What do you think about that?
I like giving your prosepcts a chance to develop while signing the best FA at positions of need IF they are in their prime. That’s why I prefer AJ ro Lowe despite the injury ruisk because Burnett is five years younger and has a vastly superior track record vs the AL East. That’s why I’m not thrilled with the Cameron deal, though it clearly makes the 2009 Yanks better.
as late as july 9th last summer,aj burnett had a 5.23 era.
livan hernandez through july 19th had a 5.29 era.
do the yankees really want to pay someone 85million dollars who is so inconsistent that they aren’t better than livan through half a season?
looking at burnett’s game log doesn’t inspire confidence in his consistency.
i wouldn’t sign him because being really bad for extended times in new york create such a spotlight on the player that even the mentally toughest players can crack under the pressure. burnett does not look to me like a player who would react well to such a spotlight. if he cracks under the pressure , he doesn’t get to the streaks that bring his era down.
with his injury record and his inconsistency, i’d let him leave the league and go to atlanta.
“Just saw an article on mlbtraderumors that there is talk of expanding the Cabrera for Cameron deal to include Bill Hall (I think Brandon gets all excited over him). Perhaps we can send back Igawa as the pitcher (I know he is not on the 40 man) as the Yanks would at least clear some salary for taking on the Hall contract.”
If Igawa goes I swear I will be at my future mother in law’s at x-mas !!!
Also I have to add this what I love about Bill Hall is give him a pink bat and you’ll see.
Joba
Wang
CC
Sheets
Pettitte
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When is the last time a team that looks good on paper actually delivered on the field?
ray (sox fan)
December 11th, 2008 at 10:17 am
“I only posted it because I thought it would be pure entertainment to watch the trolls cybre-pulling their hair out.”
GB…I am shocked that you would want us sox fans to be pulling our hair out!!
I still think Tex ends up with Boston.
Who do you think you guys sign now? Lowe, AJ, Sheets, or maybe Pettite for a year?
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Morning, Troll….errr…Ray. Hey, if I can make somebody else go bald, I’ve done my job. The fact that they’re Red Sox fans is all gravvy. I’d guess that Burnett and Pettitte. NYY wouldn’t sign two pitchers with arm concerns and that’s too long for Lowe. It would delay any possible promotions of the young, deserving pitchers, barring injuries.
“ray, I heard a rumor that if BOS gets Tex, they might not move Lowell, but trade Ortiz instead. What do you think about that?”
Hi Laura. Wow, I had not heard that rumor. Maybe Ortiz is on the decline, but it is also possible that his lingering wrist injury really did affect him last season.
I personally would not deal Ortiz yet.
And Larry Lucchino is such a cry baby.
He was on WEEI whining the other day when the Yankees signed Sabathia. The Yankees are in a different league yadda yadda yadda. Watch the Sox bid up to 200 million for Texeira, after paying through the roof for Drew, shattering the Japanese posting fee for Igawa, and failing to honor an agreement with Japan on free agents Tazawa (or whoever they just signed). The also have Lugo making a ton who they can’t give away. They have no honor and might not resign Varitek.
Oops Matzusaka not Igawa in the post above.
Report: Yanks to deal for Cameron
ESPN.com news services
The New York Yankees are set to trade Melky Cabrera to the Milwaukee Brewers for Mike Cameron, according to two major league sources, the New York Daily News reported.
The acquisition of Cameron would give the Yankees a veteran center fielder to hold the position until prospect Austin Jackson is ready for the big leagues.
Cabrera had been seen as the Yankees’ center fielder of the future. But he hit .249 with eight home runs and 37 RBIs in 129 games last season before being demoted to Triple A in mid-August.
Cameron hit .243 with 25 HRs and 70 RBIs in 120 games last season in Milwaukee. He missed the first 25 games of the season due to a suspension for violating baseball’s banned substances policy.
Theoretically we could sign Tex – we have the money. Have Swisher and Nady platoon in right (Swish against Righties, Nady against Lefties) due to their platoon splits last year. Also could work them in the LF/DH mix with Matsui and Damon to give those guys a blow. Do I think this will happen? No.
“Heyman says the Yankees have re-entered the Teixeira sweepstakes.”
As much as I wanted Tex, this has to be blatantly untrue. If we sign Tex, what are we doing with Swisher? We just signed Cameron to play CF. If we put Swisher in the OF, we’d have to move either Damon or Nady. Damon has a no trade and won’t want to go. We can trade Nady, but did we really give up Tabata just so that we could move Nady later?
I guess it could happen except I don’t see us topping the Nats offer. I don’t think that Cash wants to spend the entire 88mil that we’ve got free.
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Laura, if we sign Tex we have to move Nady in a deal and play Swisher in RF. We could also move Matsui in a deal and play Nady in LF and Swisher in RF with Damon as our DH.
Look at the numbers:
Off the books this year 88 mill
Coming back on: 23 CC, 16 AJ, 12 Pettite, 23 Tex, 10 Cameron
Thats a wash.
If we can trade Matsui and eat a portion of his contract then we are ahead though that extra would be used to cover bench.
Next year we have 13 Damon, 9 or 13 for Nady or matsui depending on who we trade this year.
This could work and it needs to work. We have a 3 yr window with Jeter,Mo,Posada, possibly CC. We need to win now and not worry about payroll going into new stadium. I could also make a case for adding Manny as well if you traded both Nady and Matsui but I don’t want to get everyone going.
Win now.
Go Cash !!!
*”I am super-excited,” A-Rod told The Post from Miami in an exclusive interview.
“He has three well-above-average pitches – fastball, slider and change. He is a handful. He is a monster. He changes lineups and is a horse. He is exactly what we needed.”*
Dale Sveum, who was the Brewers’ third-base coach – and manager for the final 12 games – last year when Sabathia hurled Milwaukee into the playoffs, gushed about Sabathia as a pitcher and person.
“[Ben] *Sheets went down with 12 games left and we decided to ask [Sabathia] about going on three-days’ rest,” Sveum said. “He said he was about to come into my office and tell me he wanted to do that. If there is one person who deserves this [contract], it’s this guy*.”
Asked how Sabathia and New York will get along, Sveum said that won’t be an issue.
“*He will handle it,” Sveum, a former Yankee player, predicted. “He is a pretty confident guy and down to earth. He won’t get caught up in all that stuff*.”
Jason Michaels, who played with Sabathia in Cleveland, echoed Sveum’s comments.
“He knew he wasn’t going back to Milwaukee and he came back on three-days’ rest,” Michaels said. “Not many guys would do that because they have a career to think about. But that’s the type of person and player he is. *When he was on the mound, we knew if we put a couple of runs across, CC was going to make them stand up*.” ”
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Ready to tip my fitted to the side.
You want a short term third contract.
Just give Pettitte the damn 16M you are talking about giving Lowe.
Jason -
I understand the confusion between Igawa and Matsuzaka –
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Good luck to the Melkman. We always knew he wouldn’t be more than a 4th OF for us, but he did good things for us there in the tough times. He also made it tough for us at times, but it was never dull.
Often times, what comes back in trades for our fringe players is nothing to write home about. But it’s nice to see these guys go to places where they at least have a chance to play. Like we do with all the Yankees, I wish Melky good luck in Milwaukee.
As for Cameron, a bit disappointed. He’s older and costs more than Melky/Gardner, but I can see the need to stabilize the position. Hopefully Gardner will have a chance to play and prove himself because good things happen when he’s in the field.
I guess he forgot the contract that Manny used to have. What a loser. If they needed pitching they would have offered CC the same.
randy,
I agree with you. The organization is falling in love with the player AJ could be rather than the player he has been.
That’s a very dangerous point of view.
And I think it’s the entire organization. From the players in the locker room who can’t stop raving about AJ (as they never see him pitch like a mortal against other teams…) to upper management. They’re buying the pitcher’s stuff rather than the pitcher.
They’re basically betting on AJ becoming a #1 starter. They’re betting that AJ is the next Curt Schilling.
AJ for 80M might be the highest risk free agent signing they’ve undertaken in 20 years. This is much higher risk than CC. It’s much higher risk than Pavano.
The only things that make me feel a bit better about it is that the Jays authentically seem to believe that AJ had turned a corner this year. Cito Gaston is a guy you have to respect. He’s managed a lot of good players. He speaks highly of AJ. JP Ricciardi really changed his tune on AJ.
I guess the other thing is that the Braves are also viewing AJ as a #1 starter.
But it is really a sort of crazy thing to do given the money that’s being discussed.
While they are at it, stop this dumb rule about not negotiating extensions and get Jeter’s extension out of the way.
It will look real bad in two years if they have problems during jeter’s resigning.
“early June, the O’s will have the best catcher in the AL East playing for them.”
Can the guy play an inning in the majors before he’s declared the best catcher in the AL East?
“I personally would not deal Ortiz yet.”
When I heard the rumor (on ESPN’s baseball podcast), it led me to believe that maybe Ortiz is hurt more than the Red Sox have let on. Either that or they are convinced that they won’t find any takers for Lowell and have no choice but move Ortiz. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
“He’s not Alex. He’s not Manny. He’s not even close to Pujols.”
CB, I will grant you that Tex may not be in the same category as these guys. However, even aside from Manny’s antics I would much rather have Tex signed to a long term contract than Manny right now.
Tex is an excellent fielder and is under 30. Signing Manny to a long term contract would not be good for any team IMO.
His close to 37 and will start to decline.
Now I’m expecting big things from Cano – no distractions from Willie B. or Melky…
CB
December 11th, 2008 at 10:19 am
GB7,
The entertainment value will be immense. To watch the price driven up for either the sox or orioles would be terrific.
There’s no way the yankees should not be involved. The sox do this all the time to the yankees.
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I have to agree on all parts. I don’t really care one way or the other if NYY signs him or not. Looking ahead to 2010, there’s another 30-40 million off of the books, but, outside of one outfielder NYY really couldn’t sign much more besides Jeter.
It will be interesting to see if Long can help Swisher and Cameron to shorten their swings just a tad. Swisher, maybe, but, Cameron may not be coachable enough this late in his career.
I don’t have as many issues with the offense as some. If only one of Swisher and Cameron get back to normal numbers and two of Cano, Jeter, Rodriguez, Matsui and Posada get to their normal numbers, NYY could easily score 850 runs. With the pen and revamped rotation, that will be hard to beat.
Bill Hall?
Another low average/ high strikeout guy whose decent pop might not tranlate in Death Valley.
“Heyman says the Yankees have re-entered the Teixeira sweepstakes.”
As much as I wanted Tex, this has to be blatantly untrue. If we sign Tex, what are we doing with Swisher? We just signed Cameron to play CF. If we put Swisher in the OF, we’d have to move either Damon or Nady. Damon has a no trade and won’t want to go. We can trade Nady, but did we really give up Tabata just so that we could move Nady later?
I guess it could happen except I don’t see us topping the Nats offer. I don’t think that Cash wants to spend the entire 88mil that we’ve got free.
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Laura, we could pull it off easily. Look at the numbers:
88 mill coming off books.
Going back on – 23 CC, 23 Tex, 10 Cameron, 16 AJ, 12 Pettite
thats a wash right there.
We would need to trade Nady and play Swish in RF. Or we could trade Matsui and play Swish in RF and Nady in LF and make Damon the DH. We would have to eat some of Matsuis salary.
Next year we have coming off 13 Damon, 9 or 13 for Nady or Matsui depending on who we trade.
We can do this and must do this going into new stadium. We have a 3 yr window for Jeter, Mo, Posada, possibly CC so we have to win now and not worry about payroll going into new stadium.
Now I could make a case for adding Manny as well if we traded nady and Matsui but I don’t think this board can handle that.
Cashman is screwing up again!
What he should have done was spend the $20M per year on Teixeira and NOT on CC. Swisher could have been rotated through the OF, DH and 1B positions. Then Cashman could have signed Pettite and two from a group of Burnett, Lowe, Sheets, Penny, Garland, etc to fill out the rotation. All of this would have cost the same amount of money being rumoured already. Plus it gives a lineup that had a dropoff of 200 runs form the year before a boost and improves your defense. And the rotation still would have been improved and would be considered (very) good. Finally, signing a few starters to less years would clear the path for the minor league prospect pitchers over time.
This is clearly a salary dump for the Brewers, but I would love to increase the “quality” of the pitcher to undump some of the salary.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....143713.htm
I don’t buy the buying a friend for CC angle.
We have lots of great guys in the clubhouse, and at least 2 of CC’s friends: Jeter and Swisher. And just like the Verizon commercial with the creepy network backing up the Verizon guy, there’s lots of Benjamins to keep CC company.
“Who knows how much Tex will get. But somehow if the Sox sign tex for $200M+ it will be a shrewd move executed by a ruthlessly efficient organization which has targeted this one player for years and valiantly stopped at nothing to secure him.”
That’s really amazing, Peter Gammon’s just wrote that on his blog…
Brandon (SHOW SHEETS THE MONEEEEEEEEY !, CC’s a Yank !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
December 11th, 2008 at 10:26 am
*“I am super-excited,” A-Rod told The Post from Miami in an exclusive interview.
“He has three well-above-average pitches – fastball, slider and change. He is a handful. He is a monster. He changes lineups and is a horse. He is exactly what we needed
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There’s Rodriguez again….shooting his mouth off in the press. always trying to stay in the news. He’s such a news tramp.
“valiantly”?!? I hope the Sox put all their eggs in one basket and end up with nothing but egg on their face.
Angels must be the clubhouse leader as far as AAV is concerned.
ray,
Sure. Tex is a safer bet than Manny and a better all around player.
But is he really a $200M player? If he gets it he is I suppose.
But as you said Tex isn’t in the Alex class. Quite honestly, it’s not that close when you consider their respective positions and the supply of talent at both.
So I think you’re basically saying that the Sox will be overpaying for Tex.
That’s fine. But what the Sox are doing now with Tex isn’t very different than what the yankees do and get mocked for doing.
But Gammons, etc. will somehow paint this into a brilliant move rather than a raw power play by an organization buying a mercenary.
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t have the Larry Lucchino woe is us show and then go out and spend absurd amounts for tex and expect to continue on with the same song and dance.
Tex has never had a 1.000 OPS season. Think about that.
His highest single season OPS+ ever was this past season – 151.
Manny’s career OPS+ is 155. That’s his career average OPS+.
Also, Manny may decline – particularly defensively. But I got to tell you. His bat speed and pitch recognition last season were astonishing to watch once he got to the dodgers. Unreal.
He’ll be able to hit until he’s 45.
William Buckner
December 11th, 2008 at 10:36 am
“Who knows how much Tex will get. But somehow if the Sox sign tex for $200M+ it will be a shrewd move executed by a ruthlessly efficient organization which has targeted this one player for years and valiantly stopped at nothing to secure him.”
That’s really amazing, Peter Gammon’s just wrote that on his blog…
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And this is what we are on him as well. I know I have been looking at Tex for 2 yrs and I’m know the front office was as well. If we sign him he won’t be saying the same thing.
“– Laura, we could pull it off easily. Look at the numbers:
88 mill coming off books.”
True, but all reports say that the Yankees don’t want to spend the entire 88mil again. They want to get the payroll under 200. Spending 20ish on Tex doesn’t do that.
Hey, I want Tex as much as the next person. I just don’t see it happening. It’s really too bad because I believe that with all things being equal, Tex would much rather be a Yankee than anything else.
Does anybody know what Sheets may be looking for, or what teams are willing to offer? Because, if the Yanks sign Burnett, and they can get Sheets for about the same money they would have to spend for Pettitte anyway; then Sheets would be a great deal. He is a major risk as your top starter, or second starter; but as your 4th or 5th, there would be very little risk in that.
“That’s really amazing, Peter Gammon’s just wrote that on his blog…”
I hope your joking? Please tell me you’re joking. I haven’t read Gammons blog.
I like Gammons and he knows the game. But he’s not even semi-objective any more.
Talking about CC and AJ yesterday it looked like he was in mourning.
“That’s fine. But what the Sox are doing now with Tex isn’t very different than what the yankees do and get mocked for doing.”
CB, on this point I agree with you 100 percent.
I think the Yankees overpaid for CC, but I equally think the Sox will overpay for Tex if they end up signing him.
I like some of the things the Boston front office has been doing, but a few years ago when they were whining about the “evil empire” I thought it was ridiculous.
William Buckner-
I remember watching a “Trade Deadline Special” or, something like that, on ESPN a few years ago. The Yankees made a trade that was a typical salery dump and Gammons took his wallet out and started throwing money around all indignantly saying it was a disgrace that the Yankee can do this.
Later on in the same show the Red Sox did the same thing and he was praising it as a “shrewed, brilliant move”. It’s laughable really…
ray (sox fan)
December 11th, 2008 at 10:43 am
“That’s fine. But what the Sox are doing now with Tex isn’t very different than what the yankees do and get mocked for doing.”
CB, on this point I agree with you 100 percent.
I think the Yankees overpaid for CC, but I equally think the Sox will overpay for Tex if they end up signing him.
I like some of the things the Boston front office has been doing, but a few years ago when they were whining about the “evil empire” I thought it was ridiculous
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Starting with putting in “The Monster Seats” and having the team wear pink pantyhose and caps.
According to Joel Sherman: “Cameron was due to make $10 million next season and the deal, according to a source, might be contingent on how much the Brewers pay of that. The source said the more Milwaukee pays the better the pitcher they could receive in addition to Cabrera.”
so Melky and a Pitcher. Wonder who’s on the table?
Peter Gammons is a boot licking Sheet head
IMO, the Ortiz trade rumor is bogus. He would have to go to an AL team, he is DH only. The only teams who would give up value for him would be fellow playoff contenders. No way I can see the sox giving Ortiz to a direct competitor.
“There’s Rodriguez again….shooting his mouth off in the press. always trying to stay in the news. He’s such a news tramp.”
LMAO
However – I am glad that Joel Sherman agrees with my suggestion that we ship Igawa to the Brewers in the Cameron/Melky trade.
The Brewers beat writer is on a local sports talk station and said the Melky/Cameron deal is not done and the Yanks want to expand it to include Bill Hall, who would be used as a super-utility guy but money is the hangup….
Too may posts! Never enough time!!! So I start to read and realize that I can’t get through them.
As always, if this is a repeat of something else or something happened I don’t know about (and it makes this moot) I apologize.
About Tex – I so pray he ends up with the Nats and here is the entire reason. Since I never wanted to see him in pinstripes, his future plans mean little to me. But when I see teams that cannot afford to get the players we get somehow be able to make a play for a star name, I want that team to end up with the player. I am a life-long Yankee fan, but in my every-day life, I am a champion of the underdog. It has always saddened me that the Yankees and a few other teams can afford to buy players at random, but the smaller markets truly cannot afford the same thing – yet they are expected to go out and be competitive and vie for the big prize. It is one of the things in sports life that truly isn’t fair.
So far santa has been awesome to me. I think that means I’ve been a good little girl. If I’ve been that good I have one more wish santa – let the Nats land Tex.
Thank you.
I will leave you cookies and milk.
Trisha
Teixeira is the best player remaining available and he will no doubt be compensated like it. There won’t be a better hitter available next year either. He has been remarkably consistent at a high level, however you categorize that level.
So, whether he’s a truly great hitter or not seems somewhat irrelevant.
If the Yanks really are interested in Teixeira, I say go for it. They may just be driving up his price, but that’s OK by me too.
Does any fan really care what the Yankee payroll turns out to be?
Gammons is a Joke. He’s Boston’s equivalent of Tokyo Rose or Axis Sally or Baghdad Bob.
Milwaukee needs help in the bullpen, wonder which route the Yankees could go?
I would prefer Veras or Edwar.
Gammons better back the you know what off…that’s our guy
“– Laura, we could pull it off easily. Look at the numbers:
88 mill coming off books.”
True, but all reports say that the Yankees don’t want to spend the entire 88mil again. They want to get the payroll under 200. Spending 20ish on Tex doesn’t do that.
Hey, I want Tex as much as the next person. I just don’t see it happening. It’s really too bad because I believe that with all things being equal, Tex would much rather be a Yankee than anything else.
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Cmon Laura, who believes reports at this time of the year. The 3 yr window argument makes more sense than any reports.
Why would we tell people what our payroll will be? Only to have them think that we weren’t in on someone.
My post is part of my thinking along with input from others and to me makes a lot of sense.
Brandon (SHOW SHEETS THE MONEEEEEEEEY !, CC’s a Yank !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
December 11th, 2008 at 10:48 am
“There’s Rodriguez again….shooting his mouth off in the press. always trying to stay in the news. He’s such a news tramp.”
LMAO
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I had to say something. It was getting too easy to alaways be picking on Ray (sox fan).
I don’t know who’s dumber, Gammons or sarah palin.
“So, whether he’s a truly great hitter or not seems somewhat irrelevant.”
You could make the same argument every year during free agency.
There’s always one player who is the best available out of the limited supply of talent available every winter.
Next year Matt Holliday will be the best and I think he’ll be better than anyone available in 2011.
If the team goes after tex and shreds the budget fine. I have no problem with it. He’ll produce.
I was more commenting on how the signing of Tex by Boston will be perceived to be brilliant and efficient rather than wildly overpaying given his talent as it would if the yankees engineered the move.
CB – yes that was tongue and cheek, but it says something that you thought it was possibly true.
Tom – the best was the trade deadline show this year. Gammons completely over reacted over a comment made by Steve Phillips implying that Sox management were part to blame for the Manny fiasco. It was awkward, no one knew how to respond because it was clearly personal.
I used to like Gammons a lot, back in the Diamond Note days. But in recent years, he’s turned to more of a fan then journalist. Most ESPN has a weird Yankees bias, I think they play the MLB vs. NYY for ratings.
“There won’t be a better hitter available next year either.”
If you’re just talking hitting, there’s a better hitter available this year.
ray,
Are the sox done upgrading the pen? Ramirez was a good pick up. But do they really think he was enough? The guy they got from texas was marginal.
That’s the only weakness your team has. I’m surprised they haven’t been more aggressive with the pen. A guy like Affeldt would have helped you a lot. Didn’t sign for much.
“They’re basically betting on AJ becoming a #1 starter. They’re betting that AJ is the next Curt Schilling.”
cb-
i was really surprised when i looked at burnett’s game by game log. it’s an eye opener. anyone who wants him should look closely at it before passing a final judgement:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....yerId=4153
as far as shilling, as much as he’s extremely annoying, i think he had the necessary IQ to adjust his approach in mid career and evolve as he aged. i don’t see that cerebral approach in burnett. maybe it’s there, but he hasn’t shown it as far as i know. i agree with your assessment that the yankees are fixated on his stuff. the problem with stuff is it’s not always there. i’d much rather have a pitcher with a little less stuff and a lot more ability to make changes as a season and their career progresses.
You guys are nuts, they dont want Tex. Posada and Jeter need a home in a few years.
Here’s a list of some of the possible first round picks in the 1st round. NYY has two on the list….Corona (SS) and Kroenke (LHP/Starter)
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....;fext=.jsp
“I was more commenting on how the signing of Tex by Boston will be perceived to be brilliant and efficient rather than wildly overpaying given his talent as it would if the yankees engineered the move.”
You are no doubt right but I think the reason is that the sports media has already decided that the Red Sox front office is brilliant.
Therefore, naturally, everything they do, including signing Teixeira for whatever price they pay, is brilliant.
The Yanks, on the other hand, just throw money at people. Or so they say.
ESPN crawl says Yankees offer for Burnett is 5/80.
I don’t think Tex makes sense on two levels. One, that would block Montenerio (sp) who will likely be moved to 1B. The second is that money will be needed for OF help next year. Probably Holiday, maybe Crawford.
I think thats way Swisher made a lot of sense, cheap and fits the stop gap mold until 2010 or 2011 when Jesus is ready.
Would definitely not want Bill Hall, even if Igawa was included in deal. Hall poor defensively, can’t hit, OBP <.300, strikes out 30% of the time, slow.
Not crazy about adding aging Cameron either, for 10 M, especially with talk of platooning him against righthanders, with his .231 average.
Cardinals need pitching. See if Skip Schumaker available.
Colorado needs pitching. See if young Carlos Gonzalez or Ryan Spillborghs available.
Marlins need a lot. See if Alfredo Amezaga is available, who can play multiple positions, 60 assists with only 2 errors last year.
I’d rather the Yankees save the 10 million and apply it to Teixeira, or even Adam Dunn as protection for A-Rod.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....d=tab5pos2
A little fun at CC’s expense. The hat thing shouldn’t be a problem. Remember Tyler Clippard?
Back before Al Gore invented the internet, Gammons was the voice of record in regards to baseball news.
Ever since the Sox became champs he has become more of a Red Sox talking head and less of an objective journalist.
It’s rare you ever get a top tier free agent without overpaying…That’s just the name of the game.
I do absolutely think we should make a competitive offer to Tex, solely for the reason of hiking up the price for Boston. They do it to us every time we are engaged in trade talks or free agent talks. May as well stick it to them while we can.
The Cameron move is not a bad thing at all. When you consider that our starting CF was either Melky or Gardner, Cameron is an upgrade in CF for us. His defense is comparable to Melky’s, he has some speed, and he has a much better baseball head on him than Melk.
Gardner as a bench player is ideal. We haven’t had a speed guy like him in a long time.
“Does any fan really care what the Yankee payroll turns out to be?”
I don’t. I want us to spend whatever it takes to put a championship team on the field. If that’s 90mil, great. I don’t have a problem with it being 210mil either.
The Sox still need one more starter, will they start the season with Bucholz in the rotation? Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka, Wakefield, Bucholz is pretty good. Will they sign another starter? I think they should, Bucholz is still a big question mark.
Possible Lineup:
1. Damon (L)
2. Jeter (R)
3. Matsui (L)
4. A Rod (R)
5. Cano (L)
6. Nady (R)
7. Posada (S)
8. Swisher (S)
8. Cameron (R)
Not quite the deadliest at 1-4, but pretty solid top to bottom.
Probably more realistic to swap Cano with Posada, but hopefully as the season progresses Robi will be batting in the top 5.
“If you’re just talking hitting, there’s a better hitter available this year.”
Consistently over the years, or just last year?
Palin wins that contest. I doubt Gammons thinks Africa is a country, and I bet he can name the newspapers and magazines he reads.
WYH, I’m pretty sure he meant that Ramirez is a better hitter than Tex.
“i was really surprised when i looked at burnett’s game by game log. ”
randy,
AJ is a very good example of how focusing on averages can be very misleading when looking at stats.
His average era was 4.07.
But the distribution of his runs allowed was very skewed.
Basically he was a completely different pitcher the first half (not so good) vs. second half (lights out).
Who knows what happened. But he was pretty bad in the first half and never better in the second.
WYH,
Who are you talking about? Sounds like pat’s talking about Manny (no?). He’s been pretty consistent.
MLBtraderumors. com is saying that the Yanks are interested in signing Cameron in a deal that would get rid of Cabrera. I’m not sure that I would like to have Cameron on the team. I’m not saying that Cabrera is better, just don’t want this to take Manny out of the mix. Plus adding a guy that could only hit .243 in Milwaukee and putting him in New York under the pressure, who knows what he will hit. Also, in an article this morning Jon Heymen wrote an article on hot stove saying the Yankees are back in the sweepstakes for Teixeira! Is it just me or is this the most exciting off season for a Yankee fan in years. Maybe it is due to the fact we didn’t get to watch any playoff baseball. Anyway, I can’t sleep like the rest of you and it’s only December! Go Yanks!
Hi Pete! Glad you’re on top of all the news! I look forward to you reporting on the Cabrera-Cameron deal early next week!
5 hrs. ago is that you ? ^^
CB
December 11th, 2008 at 10:58 am
ray,
“Are the sox done upgrading the pen? Ramirez was a good pick up. But do they really think he was enough? The guy they got from texas was marginal.”
CB, good question. Whether the Sox continue to upgrade the bullpen I think depends on what they do with Masterson.
When they first brought him up last year he was a starter but then pitched in the bullpen. I think he is a strong presence in the bullpen. Like some of the Yankee pitchers he is still very young and I think will improve.
If they decide to put Masterson in the back end of the starting rotation then I would definitely think that the Sox need to keep upgrading the pen. Manny Delcarmen has stretches of being good but other times is simply awful.
“Consistently over the years, or just last year?”
You think Tex is a better overall hitter than Manny? That at the end of their careers that Tex will have had a better offensive career than Manny?
I am going to name my daughter Carsten Charles
“Does any fan really care what the Yankee payroll turns out to be?”
I don’t. My job is to be a fan. It’s the Yankees job to make smart business decisions.
Fans of any other team in baseball would love to see their teams go out and get in the mix for free agents like we do.
Unfortunately for them, they don’t get their wish as much as we do
If we need offense in the middle of the season, we can always sign Bonds.
Before anyone corrects me, I will state that I don’t want to lose focus on other players and waste time on Cameron when we need to concentrate on upping the price of any players the Red Sox are offering and sign the players we need. I know Manny and Cameron are diff positions
Melky wasn’t that bad in Center and had some great plays. He actually hit for a better average than Cameron did.
GB or any minor league prospect follower, today is the Rule 5 draft…Do we want this guy ?
Chuck Lofgren, LHP, Indians: It was a rough year for the 2004 fourth-round pick, as he struggled to find consistency with Double-A Akron and in the Arizona Fall League. But he’s just two years removed from being the Carolina League Pitcher of the Year and a year removed from being a Futures Game participant. Those who feel they can fix him may take a shot.
(mid 90′s lefty)
“Unfortunately for them, they don’t get their wish as much as we do ”
My friends who are White Sox fans throw this in my face at least once a day. I always look at them and smile.
ray,
I was assumming masterson would be in the rotation as it doesn’t seem like the sox are truly pursuing a starter and bucchholz cant’ be penciled in (can he?).
If you get a starter masterson to the pen would be great. I think ultimately the pen might be the best place for him.
Lefty hitters started catching on to him and I don’t see how he adjusts to that given his arm slot and stuff.
“You think Tex is a better overall hitter than Manny? That at the end of their careers that Tex will have had a better offensive career than Manny?”
Sorry, guys.
I momentarily suffered from what Keith Hernandez use to call “vapor lock”. I was busy thinking about Bradley, Dunn, Abreu etc. and forgot all about Manny.
Won’t happen again, I promise.
VTRED….Please don’t mention Bonds. I can deal with Manny being a Yankee but would never want Bonds associated with the Pinstripes or every even try a Yankees jersey on!!!
. Washington Nationals 39
2. Seattle Mariners 36
3. San Diego Padres 37
4. Pittsburgh Pirates 38
5. Baltimore Orioles 38
6. San Francisco Giants 40
7. Atlanta Braves 39
8. Cincinnati Reds 39
9. Detroit Tigers 38
10. Colorado Rockies 40
11. Kansas City Royals 39
12. Oakland Athletics 39
13. Texas Rangers 40
14. Cleveland Indians 38
15. Arizona Diamondbacks 38
16. Los Angeles Dodgers 38
17. Florida Marlins 40
18. St. Louis Cardinals 37
19. Toronto Blue Jays 40
20. Houston Astros 37
21. Minnesota Twins 38
22. Chicago White Sox 36
23. New York Mets 34
*24. New York Yankees 40*
25. Milwaukee Brewers 37
26. Philadelphia Phillies 37
27. Boston Red Sox 39
28. Tampa Bay Rays 38
29. Chicago Cubs 36
30. Los Angeles Angels
Unfortunately we pick at 24.
Picking at the Brewer scrap heap may be part of the CC deal.
Tired of the Crap!
When the Yankees win it is because they paid too much for it! When they lose, its because they paid too much for it and couldn’t handle it! When the Sox win, its because they overcame history!
We need to stop trying to be diplomatic and fully do what is being charged at the Yankees anyway! So sign Tex, Manny, Burnett, Pettite & Sheets. Also, keep Matsui! Let Joba move to setup. Work him into starting rotation next year. Have AAA callups for fillins if anyone gets hurt.
Just go for the kill! It would be good for baseball to root for and against the Yanks again bigtime!
Lastly, fund the YES network to replace ESPN with a FOX agreement to join forces to get these ESPN-REDSOX love fest some real competition!
It won’t take more than a month or so for Cameron to be the #1 object of the boo birds.
Brandon (SHOW SHEETS THE MONEEEEEEEEY !, CC’s a Yank !)…”Don’t trade Robi !”
December 11th, 2008 at 11:11 am
GB or any minor league prospect follower, today is the Rule 5 draft…Do we want this guy ?
Chuck Lofgren, LHP, Indians: It was a rough year for the 2004 fourth-round pick, as he struggled to find consistency with Double-A Akron and in the Arizona Fall League. But he’s just two years removed from being the Carolina League Pitcher of the Year and a year removed from being a Futures Game participant. Those who feel they can fix him may take a shot.
(mid 90’s lefty)
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Brandon, he’d be a nice project, but, NYY has no room on the 40 man (I don’t think) and no way they can carry him on the 25 man roster. They’re exposing Kroenke, and, there’s not a ton of difference.
Melky can it for Average . . He hit 238 in 120 games !!!
“I was assumming masterson would be in the rotation as it doesn’t seem like the sox are truly pursuing a starter and bucchholz cant’ be penciled in (can he?).”
It has been reported that the Sox have talked to Texas about one of their catchers, but Texas wants Bucholtz in return. I don’t think Boston is ready to deal Bucholtz unless it is a trade that is really attractive.
Much like the Yankees, I think the Sox are very reluctant to trade away their young pitchers.
“‘Unfortunately for them, they don’t get their wish as much as we do’
My friends who are White Sox fans throw this in my face at least once a day. I always look at them and smile.”
I get the same thing from my friends who are Phillies fans.
What do they expect us to do? Stop being fans of the Yankees because they have the audacity to put a competitive team on the field every year?
They’re just jealous
knudsen
December 11th, 2008 at 11:16 am
It won’t take more than a month or so for Cameron to be the #1 object of the boo birds.
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You’re insights into baseball is invaluable and most welcome.
knudsen
December 11th, 2008 at 11:16 am
It won’t take more than a month or so for Cameron to be the #1 object of the boo birds.
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You’re insight into baseball is invaluable and most welcome.
Does Cameron have the cannon in CF that Melky has?
yanks dont pick in the Rule V draft bc they dont have any openings on the 40-man roster.
Cashman’s mission by 2009…back to the 2000 watermark, and no retreat in 10 or 11. Keep the green flowing through the ever-lengthening pipelines. The Steinees’ goal? Three years and out?
“Lastly, fund the YES network to replace ESPN with a FOX agreement to join forces to get these ESPN-REDSOX love fest some real competition!”
Hahaha that thought has crossed my mind in the past. ESPN could use some competition
“yanks dont pick in the Rule V draft bc they dont have any openings on the 40-man roster.”
That sucks !
I wouldn’t trade Buchholz for Salty or Teagarden. That would be a rash move.
I do worry about Buchholz’s fastball. Man that is a flat, straight pitch. Hard to pitch in reverse in the major leagues.
Is the signing dereck lowe thing just rumor? Can you see him being signed? Sheets?
“They’re just jealous ”
Exactly. If their team spent money like we do, you wouldn’t hear one complaint out of their mouths. It’s hypocrisy at it’s highest level.
You guys are nuts, they dont want Tex. Posada and Jeter need a home in a few years.
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Please with Posada at 1B. If he can’t ctach then he DH’s or goes home. We need a real 1B not someone who can’t or doesn’t want to play there.
Mattingly/Tino/Giambi/Tex, that is what the Yankees are about.
GB 7,
How kind of you.
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that we are picking up CC’s friends to join him here?
“Does Cameron have the cannon in CF that Melky has?”
Melky may have the better arm, but Cameron’s isn’t bad.
Cameron definitely knows how to use that arm better than Melky does.
I also doubt that Cameron will misfield balls because he is busy tipping his cap to the bleacher creatures.
Mike R
December 11th, 2008 at 11:20 am
”’Unfortunately for them, they don’t get their wish as much as we do’
My friends who are White Sox fans throw this in my face at least once a day. I always look at them and smile.”
I get the same thing from my friends who are Phillies fans.
What do they expect us to do? Stop being fans of the Yankees because they have the audacity to put a competitive team on the field every year?
They’re just jealous
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You guys need to quit hanging around with a bad crowd. They’ll get you in trouble and pollute your mind.
Brandon-
A team must be below 40 to pick in the Rule 5 draft. Do you forsee them dropping a player on the 40 man roster?
So is this the lineup?
Damon
Jeter
Swisher
ARod
Matsui
Nady
Posada
Cano
Cameron
Who cares about Melky’s cannon?? Cameron will win way more games with his bat than Melky would with his arm. Plus, hasn’t Cameron won a Gold Glove before?
Hurry up with some news Pete!
“Melky may have the better arm, but Cameron’s isn’t bad. ”
Hey, as long as it’s better than Damon’s, that should be fine.
“Basically he was a completely different pitcher the first half (not so good) vs. second half (lights out).”
Story of his career. Even in the 2nd half last year, good July, very ordinary August (4 lousy starts, 2 stunners…both against the Yankees), great September.
5 years for hit or miss consistency is still nuts as far as I’m concerned. He’s not a #1. He’s not close. Don’t pay him like one.
Don’t like your Schilling analogy. Schilling was a much better pitcher at ages 28-31 than Burnett has been.
knudsen
lineup of Damon-Jeter-Arod-Matsui-Posada-Cameron
Would have been good in 2000.
“You guys need to quit hanging around with a bad crowd. They’ll get you in trouble and pollute your mind.”
haha It’s hard to get away from Phillies fans in Philly.
Laura,
Yes, and sadly, that lineup is terrible.
So we are going to have to sit through the ‘aging lineup’ discussion again this year?
Cameron may be worth it but i would still have liked to see what Gardner or Melky could add. Gardner should still make the team for speed if anything.
“Brandon-
A team must be below 40 to pick in the Rule 5 draft. Do you forsee them dropping a player on the 40 man roster?”
Not sure.
What’s this I hear about a Melky trade?
Who needs bandwagon fans?
10:23am: According to WEEI’s Lou Merloni, the Yankees’ signing of C.C. Sabathia made the team more appealing to Lowe.
i think the line up will be
Damon
Jeter
Nady
Arod
Matsui
Cano
Posada
Swisher
with a rotation of
CC
Wang
Burnett
Pettitte
Joba
Feinsand is reporting that the Yanks are still interested in signing both AJ and Lowe.
If they get Cameron, AJ and Lowe, they’d have a shot to being back to a 100 win team, but their payroll would be close to what it was last year. Interesting.
If they signed those guys, what will they do with Hughes and the other starters in the minors? 7 years for CC, 4 or 5 for AJ and 3 or 4 for Lowe? Joba will IMO be one of the best starters in the majors in two years. And Wang. There’s just no room for anyone else for quite some time.
It would sure be nice if Cano was raking right off the starting line, or if Posada returned to his 2007 form.
Our 3 hole is a little questionable right now I think.
Just get Sheets already !
“When the Yankees win it is because they paid too much for it!”
Not true. In fact, when the Yankees have tried to pay for it, they’ve not won a title. In the 90′s they did it the old fashioned way. They built a team from within and supplemented thru trades and the occasional free agent signing, but nothing ridiculous. When they started throwing monopoly money at people earlier in the decade, things didn’t go quite as well.
“Yes, and sadly, that lineup is terrible.”
Terrible may be too strong a word. “Not scary enough” may be more appropriate. I would have really liked another big bat in there. I’m not convinced Nady is going to be the same hitter he was last year. Who knows what we are going to get from Posada. And Swisher? I don’t even want to think about it. I really wish we could have kept Abreu or gotten Tex. We will have to make due with what we have.
“Don’t like your Schilling analogy. Schilling was a much better pitcher at ages 28-31 than Burnett has been.”
I’m not saying its an accurate analogy.
I’m saying that I think this is the Yankee’s analogy. The kind of lens they are seeing AJ through.
Obviously, that’s just a guess on my part.
But I basically think that they see AJ as a very talented guy who is going to put it together relatively late in his career and then transform into a true #1.
Schilling really started his run during his age 29 season so clearly he was ahead of AJ.
This is a low probability gamble. No doubt. They’re paying for a perception rather than a body of work.
If the Yankees are planning to platoon Cameron against lefty pitchers, he was good with a .397 OBP and a .282 BA. Against righties he was terrible. How many at bats would he get against lefties-125?? Makes no sense to waste the money on him. If just a platoon player that means
Gardner or Damon are getting the majority of at bats against righties.
Now if the Brewers are willing to take Igawa with Cabrera then I’m in!!!!!!
Even I will admit that Peter Gammons is somewhat biased in his reporting about the Red Sox.
With that being said he is saying that he thinks there is a good chance that John Smoltz will sign with the Red Sox.
They won’t go for Lowe is they get Burnett. That is just them trying to force AJ. Plus dont think AJ wont go on the DL a few times and give Hughes a chance. Hughes and Joba, Wang, CC and AJ will be the 2010 rotation.
This year, Hughes and Joba have to build innings, so we will see some 6 man rotations.
Its not a great lineup, but it has few awful black holes ala Melky and Molina, and with a rotation with CC, AJ, Wang, and Joba, and the bullpen they have, that is a team reminiscent of the championship winning Yankees.
Mike R
December 11th, 2008 at 11:29 am
“You guys need to quit hanging around with a bad crowd. They’ll get you in trouble and pollute your mind.”
haha It’s hard to get away from Phillies fans in Philly.
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Just tell Santa Claus on them. He owes those bums a few lumps of coal.
WYH,
Precisely why I can’t see Lowe AND Burnett.
They’ve got to figure that Hughes can be a full time starter by ’10. Brackman’s going to need to be accounted for soon due to his major league contract. Though he’ll probably start out in the bullpen.
One more FA + Andy for a year will provide stability and flexibility.
“With that being said he is saying that he thinks there is a good chance that John Smoltz will sign with the Red Sox.”
See proposition one of your last post.
Smotz’s agent are engaging this/leaking it for the same reason pettitte’s people were talking up the sox – put pressure on the old team. Smoltz wants a guaranteed deal and is trying to generate some leverage.
Forget Smoltz. How about this option:
http://www.newsday.com/service.....3340.story
“Cameron may be worth it but i would still have liked to see what Gardner or Melky could add. Gardner should still make the team for speed if anything.”
If we get Cameron, I would think Gardner could be a very valuable fourth outfielder. He could let Cameron and Damon get some rest, and be a late inning defensive replacement for Nady. Plus he could swipe a base when we needed one.
That’s movement toward the sort of bench that would actually be helpful.
AJ vs. Lowe. I think the Yankees say, whoever comes first wins. Pettitte will get the other spot.
Again we are playing for 2009. We tried counting on Hughes and Kennedy but they arent ready just yet so we have fill the spots.
ray (sox fan)
December 11th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Even I will admit that Peter Gammons is somewhat biased in his reporting about the Red Sox.
With that being said he is saying that he thinks there is a good chance that John Smoltz will sign with the Red Sox.
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You’d better be careful, Ray. President Remy will revoke your Red Sox Nation citizenship from you. You’re sounding more and more like a Yankee fan…you lucky dog.
10:33am: Rosenthal and Fraley see the Yankees as the clear frontrunner for Burnett. They say Braunecker will contact other clubs today to give them one last chance to beat the Yanks’ five-year, $85MM offer. Will the Braves counter? *Burnett signing with the Yankees would be undesirable for the Blue Jays in two ways – they’d have to face him fairly often, and they’d (tentatively) get the Yanks’ second-round pick instead of a first-round one.*
(mlbtraderumors.com)
One more FA + Andy for a year will provide stability and flexibility.
Assuming Andy will sign with us, I like that thinking.
“If the Yankees are planning to platoon Cameron against lefty pitchers, he was good with a .397 OBP and a .282 BA. Against righties he was terrible. How many at bats would he get against lefties-125?? Makes no sense to waste the money on him. If just a platoon player that means
Gardner or Damon are getting the majority of at bats against righties.”
I doubt it will be a strict platoon, if that’s the case. It seems like Gardner is going to get a chance to play frequently, between LF and CF, at least to start the season. Damon’s to the point where he is best suited by resting once in a while (be it a day off altogether or DH duties), and Matsui is presumably the same way as a result of the knee injuries. Cameron is up-and-down streaky at the plate, so Gardner will have a chance to establish himself early in the year and will get to see a good amount of ABs as a fill-in. I just think the “platoon” talk is meant to dissuade people from thinking that Cameron is playing every inning possible in center in 2009.
“the Red Sox appear to be considering bringing in Pavano on a very low base salary and incentive clauses.”
CB, I hadn’t seen that article but I am not surprised. If they want to offer him a really low salary based on incentive clauses then I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
Maybe with all the “injuries” he had with you guys he is due for a good year. It would be a very low risk thing for the Sox.
Laura-
“So is this the lineup?”
Damon
Jeter
Swisher
ARod
Matsui
Nady
Posada
Cano
Cameron
No I don’t think so.
Against left handed pitching:
Damon
Jeter
A-Rod
Posada
Nady
Matsui
Cameron
Cano
Swisher
Against righties:
Damon
Jeter
A-Rod
Matsui
Nady
Cano
Posada
Swisher
Gardner
“If they signed those guys, what will they do with Hughes and the other starters in the minors? 7 years for CC, 4 or 5 for AJ and 3 or 4 for Lowe? Joba will IMO be one of the best starters in the majors in two years. And Wang. There’s just no room for anyone else for quite some time.”
They can always trade one of them next year or later. Other than CC, I do not think they will give no trade clause to any one else.
ray (sox fan)
December 11th, 2008 at 11:46 am
“the Red Sox appear to be considering bringing in Pavano on a very low base salary and incentive clauses.”
CB, I hadn’t seen that article but I am not surprised. If they want to offer him a really low salary based on incentive clauses then I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
Maybe with all the “injuries” he had with you guys he is due for a good year. It would be a very low risk thing for the Sox.
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I hope Pavano infects your whole team.
Something big must be going down if Pete not even posting yet.Or he’s still sleeping.
It’s sad I’m getting more info from the posters on this blog.
Coming out of the Pavano/Wright/Brown/Rocket Redux parts 4, 5, and 6 (etc) era, and the injury-plagued recent past, the Yanks really need pitchers they can count on for full seasons of mostly quality starts.
CC and Lowe would be 200+ inning guys. Looking at Wang, last year was a quirk and we can all expect him to be another 200+ inning guy again. That would be 3 slots filled by good-to-great pitchers who are all more than likely to go 200+ innings a season. Given that, signing either Burnett or Sheets is less of a risk.
But if you don’t sign Lowe and you sign Burnett AND Sheets, then IMO you have to worry more about the collective health of the rotation. And as much as I like Pettitte, he still falls into that category too. He’s getting on in years and he’s had some shaky stretches recently. Whichever of these 3 you’re talking about, the prospect of having 2 or 3 starters go on the shelf for a few weeks (or more) has proven to be pretty tough in recent years. It’s not a good primary plan to sign more than one of them.
That makes it CC, Lowe, Wang, Joba and either Burnett or Sheets, with Pettitte as a year-to year backup plan in case they don’t get the 3 new pitchers they’re shooting for.
Joba has an innings limit anyways so you just schedule his starts ‘at the back of the rotation’, thus skipping 7 or 8 of his starts over the season.
“You’re sounding more and more like a Yankee fan…you lucky dog.”
GB7, you are sounding more and more like mel. She has accused me a number of times of wearing pin striped boxers!!:)
Laura and Andrew – I can live with either of your lineups, and happily. Actually I see them as extremely potent lineups, ones that will be absolutely fine behind a top-notch pitching and bullpen complement.
I realize that people are still reeling from bottom lines but that’s when you have to step back and look at the individual pieces and really question whether things are so bad if the puzzle pieces fit again! We had a season without (for all intents and purposes) Matsui and Jorge – both potent and clutch – and we also had a season without (for all intents and purposes) Robby and Jeter – and even Arod to some extent – since they all underperformed!
Allow yourselves to look at the players we have functioning at their best – or even something close to it. You’ll sleep well if you can do that.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it!
Cameron is a waste of money.
Many will argue the point, but I believe that Gardner becomes far more valuable with an improved pitching staff.
With CC, Joba and hopefully AJ limiting runs allowed, every run scored becomes a poitential game winner. Despite what some stat geeks argue ad nauseum, the value of speed and stolen bases is not over rated. Their value is under rated, IMHO. That’s becuase speed is the single best way to score when a single run is needed.
So it doesn’t matter how runs are “created” in blowouts by sluggers teeing off on 87 MPH fastballs. What matters is whether you can move a runner into scvoring position when you desperately need a single run. That’s what sets up wins in close games. And the best way to do it is via the stolen base. Someone who can steal on 80-5% of attempts offers the best option for winning late and close games.
Gardner could be a ctritical component on a team rich with power pitching. He will also boost his average with regular play as he has done after adjusting at every level of minor league ball.
Cameron is a waste.
Matsuis knees do not pester me nearly so much as Po’s shoulder. Matsui should have a bounce back season,if in fact he is painfree.
Thinking about pain during a swing at the plate is not good for the focus. Thinking he should be as good as ever if in fact he is painfree.
Posada on the other hand, doesn’t leave me nearly so optimistic. Could well be he will be fine, maybe better. Shoulders certainly influence bat speed, ask Bernie. Here is hoping early on that he is full range of movement and pain free. We need his bat so very badly.
ray (sox fan)
December 11th, 2008 at 11:48 am
“You’re sounding more and more like a Yankee fan…you lucky dog.”
GB7, you are sounding more and more like mel. She has accused me a number of times of wearing pin striped boxers!!:)
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That’s more than I’d care to know about, Ray.
Dollarwise, the Yankees have swapped Giambi’s contract for CC and Farnsworth’s contract for Swisher. Abreu’s would cover AJ.
“That’s more than I’d care to know about, Ray.”
Hey, hey, hey!
pat,
Did you see that Farnsy got a nice 2-year deal from the Royals?
ray,
If they want to take a flier on pavano well that’s fine.
For what its worth i think the american idol is going to go to the NL and will pitch in the largest ball park he can find to build back up his value.
I think you guys are doing what teams do sometimes – you focus so much on the big player that you don’t make small changes that could help a great deal. The mets did this last year and that’s why they never addressed their pen.
Get tex. That’s fine. But make sure you get your complementary moves done.
Your pen was so bad last year at times. Either get a 5th starter and know you can move masterson or stock up on the pen now with guys like affeldt.
Just an impression. Perhaps all of that gets straightened out later. But even mid-level pitchers are going fast.
“AJ vs. Lowe. I think the Yankees say, whoever comes first wins. Pettitte will get the other spot.”
Hmmm. I don’t see it quite that way. From what I’m reading and hearing, it appears they are saying “COME ON IN AJ!” It also appears they are saying, “HEY BEN! WE MAY HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU HERE!”
Gratefully I have not read anything that screams out “HEY DEREK LOWE! MAN ALIVE WE’D LOVE TO HAVE YOU HERE!!!” Now maybe that’s selective reading on my part – but at the top of my computer screen I have the Yankee.com toolbar, with the running headlines. I see the following “Yanks expected to make offer to Sheets.” Okay
I do see something that says “Yanks, Phils biggest suitors for Lowe.” Guess I’ll have to go to the site and pray it’s very old news and the stuff about Sheets is much more recent.
Yeah, I admit it. I…JUST…DO…NOT…WANT…LOWE…IN…PINSTRIPES!
(I did hear the WEEI guys saying he has mended his ways. They believe he is no longer a headcase. I guess it is an interesting thought. Ray might want to weigh in.)
anyone else think that the rumors of the Yanks being willing to sign both Burnett and Lowe are simply being put out there to get Andy to jump up and take that $10M offer?
“So it doesn’t matter how runs are “created” in blowouts by sluggers teeing off on 87 MPH fastballs. What matters is whether you can move a runner into scvoring position when you desperately need a single run. That’s what sets up wins in close games. And the best way to do it is via the stolen base. Someone who can steal on 80-5% of attempts offers the best option for winning late and close games.”
That just completely confuses the concept of run creation, though. Gardner has not proven that he can get on base at the major league level. It’s not about home runs, it’s about being on in order to score. Cameron is by no means an OBP machine, but he walks enough, and while not as blazing-fast as Brett, he has the ability to steal bases. Also, I think you are assuming that Gardner has no role on the Yankees–that is definitely wrong, he will still be in the starting lineup a few times a week, and will be the go-to late-game pinch runner for someone like Swisher or Posada or Matsui, should they be on base in a SB/need a run scenario.
“(I did hear the WEEI guys saying he has mended his ways. They believe he is no longer a headcase. I guess it is an interesting thought. Ray might want to weigh in.)”
Hi trisha. There have been reports that the Boston FA feels differently about Lowe now than when he left the Sox for the Dodgers.
I just think that offering a big multi year contract to CC or Tex is one thing. But offering a big multi year contract to Lowe is another. Boras is wanting big bucks and a lot of years for a 36 year old pitcher. I don’t see the Sox signing Lowe unless his contract expectations are lowered. Just my opinion.
I understand Pettitte’s beef. Why does Lowe get 16 but not Pettitte?
Andrew — I believe Gardner actually hit something like .290 in his second stint last year. He has also walked with frequency in the minors. Probably won’t do quite so well on that score in the bigs.
I’m not saying Gardner should be given the starting job outright. I just think (perhaps in agreement with you on this) he should be part of the mix. All last year I thought he would help as a force off the bench in late innings and I think he did prove that to be the case. So maybe the question is: how much do you gain by having Gardner share CF with Cameron, as oppeded to sharing it Melky and from time to time Damon? I don’t think the gains are worth $10 million. I also think they’re giving up a bit too soon on Melky. He’ll be better this year.
ray (sox fan)
December 11th, 2008 at 11:46 am
“the Red Sox appear to be considering bringing in Pavano on a very low base salary and incentive clauses.”
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How great would that be to cheer for him when he is being removed in the 3rd inning?
It’s understandable why John Henry is nervous and cautious about throwing money around these days. He’ll swallow very hard when he sees the arbritrator’s ruling in the Papelbon and Youkilis cases.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/.....refer=home
From MLBTradeRumors:
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11:17am: Ken Rosenthal says the potential deal hit a roadblock over the Yankees’ desire to have Milwaukee pick up part of the tab on Cameron. Also, the Brewers want a second player after Cabrera.
9:28am: The Cabrera for Cameron deal is close but not done, according to Joel Sherman’s source. He says the Brewers could receive a pitcher as well, with the quality depending on whether they’ll assume salary.
“the Red Sox appear to be considering bringing in Pavano on a very low base salary and incentive clauses.”
People will throw rocks at me, but this could be VERY smart, depending on the base. My guess is Pavano is a C+ pitcher (when healthy obviously), meaning very slightly above average. That costs about $12m these days. So if the base is $8m or under, it could be a great deal, especially since you get the best from a player who gets paid by incentives.
Per Peter Abraham:
“Those unrealistic fans who thought the Yankees would keep pending on Mark Teixeira or Manny Ramirez will complain. But this is the sort of move Brian Cashman intended to do all along.”
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....e-cameron/
Enough with the Manny talk.
It ain’t happening!
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....e-cameron/
“Those unrealistic fans who thought the Yankees would keep pending on Mark Teixeira or Manny Ramirez will complain. But this is the sort of move Brian Cashman intended to do all along.”
Enough with the Manny talk. It ain’t happening!