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Yankees closing on Mike Cameron

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 11, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s not a done deal yet, but the Yankees are close to obtaining Milwaukee CF Mike Cameron in exchange for Melky Cabrera.

The teams considered expanding the deal to include Bill Hall. But the Yankees would have wanted the Brewers to pick up some of Hall’s contract (two years and $15.7 million) or take a bad contract back (like Kei Igawa).

But as it stands now, it would be Cabrera for Cameron.

Cameron has $10 million left on his contract over one season, so he would not block the development of Austin Jackson or Brett Gardner. Cameron also has experience playing in New York, good power and is close friends with CC Sabathia.

Cameron was .243/.331/.447 with the Brewers last season with 25 homers and 70 RBI. He struck out a lot (142 times) but grounded into only four double plays and did steal 17 bases at the age of 35.

Those unrealistic fans who thought the Yankees would keep pending on Mark Teixeira or Manny Ramirez will complain. But this is the sort of move Brian Cashman intended to do all along.

UPDATE, 11:44 a.m. (or 8:44 a.m. here in Vegas, I’m just saying): Sweeny Murti of WFAN said that the teams have been working on this deal for a while now. Once the Brewers lost Sabathia, they went into money-saving mode, it seems.

UPDATE, 11:49 a.m.: Let me repeat that the deal is not done. The Yankees could be including a pitching prospect. Kudos to Mark Feinsand, who broke this story early this morning.

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152 Responses to “Yankees closing on Mike Cameron”

  1. Anthony Murillo December 11th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    John Heyman is reporting the Yankees are back in on Tex.

  2. Rudy December 11th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    I like the move just because the defense in CF will drastically be improved. Cabrera has worn out his welcome

  3. Mike in Harrisburg December 11th, 2008 at 11:41 am

    Hey Pete – any chance you could point Cashman to the poll results on the right hand side?

  4. kill.schill(ing) December 11th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    Another foolish move by Cashman. For a guy with a .331 OBA, Cameron strikes out far too much, 142-160 times a season.

    I’d almost rather see Gardner play every day.

    The Yankees will be lucky to score 750 runs next year.

  5. Mike December 11th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    Its a good Move . . Cameron is an upgrade over Melky !..

  6. Laura - Welcome, CC! December 11th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    It’s too bad we can’t send Igawa to MIL. I want that guy gone like yesterday.

  7. Vinny December 11th, 2008 at 11:44 am

    I was hoping to see Melky Cabrera get another shot in the oufield this year. It sounds to me like the Yankees are abonding there philosophy from last year of cultivating young talent and spening their money on high priced, elderly free agents.

    Vin

  8. ariel December 11th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    kill.schill,

    I would agree. the one positive note is the apparent absence of Hall from the deal.

  9. Erik December 11th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    How does this deal make any sense for Milwaukee? It’s barely a salary dump if Cameron only has a year left on his contract.

  10. mel December 11th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    It’s an upgrade for sure, but if Gardner can get on base things start happening.

    As an older player, we won’t see Cameron as a full-time player.

    Cameron as a friend of CC is a benefit, but it’s not fair to oveplay this aspect (which I think you did a great job of avoiding, Pete).

    CC has friends on the Yankees (Jeter, Swisher). And it’s not like Cameron and CC go back a long time.

    Boy, Swisher and Cameron must feel like they’ve died and gone to heaven.

  11. Yankeepelotero December 11th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    are you kidding me Pete? Mike Cameron?!! HE STINKS!!

    So they are basically paying $10M for a 1 year stop gap. The steals won’t matter because you could have gotten that from Gardner/Melky tandem. The average won’t matter because you could have gotten that from a Gardner/Melky tandem. The OBP won’t matter because you could have gotten that from a Gardner/Melky tandem. The strike outs won’t matter because you could have gotten that from a Gardner/Melky tandem, no wait they would have K’ed less.

    so basically what you’re getting is a scattered 20+ homers and 70+ RBI because the guy strikes out so much those homers won’t really be impacting the line up as you think they will.

    in other words, instead of paying around $2M for a 1 year stop gap. The Yankees decided to pay $10M for a 35 year old overrated defensive CF’er. NICE!! OH THAT’S RICH!! leave it to the Yanks to pull this off and pass on a young, productive hitter like Texiera. sure let’s pass on him because of payroll…..by the way Pete, remember the last time the Yankees passed on a stud position player because of payroll and instead signed a over hyped Florida Marlin? YES, Pete that’s right, it was Carlos Beltran and they signed Carl Pavano instead. HOW DID THAT WORK OUT?!

  12. North December 11th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    I like this move.. Now we have Nady in Right, Cameron in Center and Damon in left. Brett Gardner will start 1-2 times a week when the other players a having a day off. He will play defense in the late innings and he will pinchrun. So you’ll see a lot of Brett Gardner one way or the other…

    Good luck Melky…

  13. Fredo Corleone December 11th, 2008 at 11:49 am

    “How does this deal make any sense for Milwaukee? It’s barely a salary dump if Cameron only has a year left on his contract.”

    They can throw Corey Hart or perhaps Rickie Weeks in center and use Cameron’s $10M to enhance their pitching staff.

  14. losjanks December 11th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Cameron is a very good defender and is definitely an improvement in the field over Melky.

    While we might not be that psyched to see him at the plate, he is still a substantial improvement over Melky in that department too.

  15. Gangsta December 11th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Obviously you have no idea what you’re talking about Vinny. “…bonding there philosophy from last year of cultivating young talent and spending their money on high priced, elderly free agents”

    That philosophy failed miserably, and the yankees ended up missing the playoffs. Management refuses to let that happen again, and therefore will spend anything necessary to make sure that doesn’t happen again.

    If you want a youth movement and want to see players develop, become a Pirates fan. The Yankees are about one thing. Winning.

  16. Christopher December 11th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    “UPDATE, 11:44 a.m. (or 8:44 a.m. here in Vegas, I’m just saying)”

    wah

  17. Baseball Guy December 11th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    Seems like a smart move. It buys the Yankees a year. Cameron will want to play well, being in the last year of his contract. Brett Gardner can also have some opportunities and can break in slower.

    I think if the Yankees don’t go after Tex they’ll regret it just like they regret getting Beltran.

    The Yankees have always been best when they used their resources to secure the best talent. That doesn’t always mean the best player – which Tex isn’t – and Beltran isn’t -but they are players best that served targeted needs. Young, athletic, good team players, etc…

    The Yankees have been looking for a CF ever since not signing Beltan. It could be the same at 1b if they don’t get Tex.

    He’s a quality player. Quality player. Not one dimensional like Giambi or others that were signed just because they were names – when the Yankees do they, they don’t win.

  18. blackaccord December 11th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    finally a real CF !!!! not the one with weak arms or poor range or no power….

  19. rconn23 December 11th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    I doubt the Yankees will be serious suitors for Tex, but that would be great if they were. He’s the biggest difference maker still out there.

    If you’re offering a combined 12 years and $240 million, what’s another $200 million to lock up a stud first baseman? Mind boggling.

  20. Adam December 11th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    What does this mean for Cano…he lost Melky and Abreu :(

  21. Mike December 11th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    It’s one thing to want youth on the field (like I do).

    It’s another thing to see that youth just be so…meh.

    Once I saw Gardner being unable to get the ball out of the infield more than 1 out of 10 times at bat, I knew he wasn’t the answer. And Cabrera was never going to be more than a .250-8-45 guy.

    I like this deal.

    Remember, folks, the youth has to be GOOD. Just being there doesn’t help.

  22. Matt December 11th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    What dream world did I wake up in where Melky Cabrera was worth even an older Mike Cameron?

    So what that he’s 35 and being paid a bit? It’s just one year, and he’s a real center fielder for once. All you guys talk about is how we can’t play Damon and Melky and the like in there for defensive purposes, and here we traded for one of the premier defensive center fielders, even at his age.

    Even though he doesn’t hit for high average, he has some power and experience. His strikeouts are better than DP’s, and this lineup sorely lacked power last year. Hard to score when you need 3 singles to bring in a run.

    Cashman is actually plugging in some holes. It’ll be interesting to see how they do if he can get another starter or two to round out the rotation. With money coming off, they’re using it to put a better product on the field this time.

  23. JoeT 28 in 10 KEEP PHIL FRANCHISE AND CANO!! Sheets 2 years > AJ for 5 December 11th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    Igawa isn’t exactly a bad contract at 4 million a year

  24. jay destro December 11th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    something very artie lange about this:

    Christopher December 11th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    “UPDATE, 11:44 a.m. (or 8:44 a.m. here in Vegas, I’m just saying)”

    wah

  25. ariel December 11th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Obtaining Cameron does not impact adding either Tex or Manny. He’s replacing Melky, and limited, if not eliminated, Gardner.

    What impacted Tex was signing CC. They can still add Manny if they choose to.

  26. BBFan December 11th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    “What does this mean for Cano…he lost Melky and Abreu :)

    He will work very hard, as he could be the next to be shipped if does not :)

  27. Adam December 11th, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Ariel in a way it does impact Manny…unless we trade another OF we now have Cam CF Damon LF Nady RF Matsui DH….where does manny fit right now?

  28. drn200 December 11th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    Cameron?
    Yucccccch,,,there had to be something better than an older sub .250 hitter somewhere?! one year or not…

  29. chris December 11th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    how is cameron’s arm? that’s about the only thing i’ll miss with melky. he was dragging cano down with him as well. don’t think for a minute, that cashman wasn’t look to add, by subtraction here too…

  30. Phil - 27 in '09 December 11th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Excellent move by Cashman…Cameron adds 3 wins to the Yanks at a value of $5.5M = $16.5M…at a cost of only $10M. (per CB)

    Excellent move.

  31. Fredo Corleone December 11th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    “Boy, Swisher and Cameron must feel like they’ve died and gone to heaven.”

    Both were in the postseason last year. Not like they’re coming from Kansas City. I’m sure Swisher is thrilled. Wonder about Cameron. Don’ think he’ll be miserable or anything, but I can’t imagine he’s terribly fond of his New York baseball career to this point.

  32. ChrisinCT December 11th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Thanks for the updates Pete. I am not completely sold on this, but feel we need to trust Cashman as I am sure he knows the “big picture” much more so then we do.

  33. Jeff NJ December 11th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    I like getting Cameron for a year. If I read right, he only hit into 4 dp’s all season while hitting 25 HR’s and playing excellent defense. It’s a no brainer. Interesting thing is, the entire OF will be free agents after 09. Damon, Matsui, Nady and Cameron. Only one’s signed would be Gardner and Swisher if you shift him. That being said, I wonder if there is room for Texiera after all?

  34. Anthony December 11th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Ariel, where would they put manny??? Have you forgotten about Matsui, Damon, and Nady??

  35. Brandon (SHOW SHEETS THE MONEEEEEEEEY !, CC's a Yank !)..."Don't trade Robi !" December 11th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    “John Heyman is reporting the Yankees are back in on Tex.”

    I don’t believe that at all. Infact it’s more mouth piece work for Boras from Heyman.

  36. BBFan December 11th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    I think there is still a good chance Manny will be on the team.

    For that to happen, Angels have to sign Tex, otherwise Angels will go hard at Manny.

    If Angels do not need Manny, his market will coompletely dry up from commpetiive teams and Boras will come crawling to Yanks with a discounted offer.

  37. Matt December 11th, 2008 at 11:59 am

    Also, check this out.

    Mike Cameron OPS- .808

    Johnny Damon OPS- .838

    Melky Cabrera OPS- .641
    Brett Gardner OPS- .582

    So basically Cameron was similar in terms of overall offense to our most productive offensive center fielder, but defensively as capable as our least. Allowing Damon to slide to left is an upgrade there too since he was one of the best left fielders in the league defensively but not in center.

  38. David Cone's Labrum December 11th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    I root for guys like Gardner – hope he makes the squad as the 4th OF and gets some time in – he can have a positive impact on this team.

  39. Bill December 11th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Pete, you do realize that John Heyman is reporting today that the Yankees are back in on Teixera. Also, the big concern to us Yankees fans is that they are turning into Toronto (best ERA in AL but cant hit).

  40. Phil - 27 in '09 December 11th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Manny’s not coming to NY unless Boras can’t get anything for him anywhere…and even then, he’d have to take a fraction of his value…for the Yanks to even consider him, if at all.

  41. Laura - Welcome, CC! December 11th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    “What dream world did I wake up in where Melky Cabrera was worth even an older Mike Cameron? ”

    I posted this when the story first broke. I’m really surprised that we aren’t sending more to MIL considering how bad Melky was last year. We need to get them to take Igawa off of our hands.

  42. alvaro espinoza's hipster frames December 11th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    andruw jones wasn’t available? this move is so… so stupid

  43. mel December 11th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    Fredo,

    Good point. But pinstripes? Yowza! Swisher will love the change of scenery. Ozzie can kill the soul sometimes. Cameron might like the night life. I don’t know.

  44. Yankee Trader December 11th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    Cameron has a terrrible OBP <.300 against righties, with an even worse BA of .231. Is his defense any better than Melky’s? Is his speed any better than Gardner’s? And to top it off we might have to add a pitcher!! Isn’t taking on his 10 million salary enough?? CC will make new friends!!

    How much do you think Ibanez or Abreu or Garrett Anderson are going to get? I’d almost rather have Garrett Anderson for one year in left and Damon in CF with Gardner as a defensive replacement. C’mon we can do better than this.

    Cardinals need pitching, starting or relief. How about a deal for Skip Schumaker for CF?

  45. BBFan December 11th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    “Manny’s not coming to NY unless Boras can’t get anything for him anywhere…”

    That is what is lilely to happen, if Tex signs with Angels. Then he will not have any suiters with even $20Mil a year for three years.

  46. alvaro espinoza's hipster frames December 11th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    the yankees are not toronto. they’ve got all-stars all over the field. gimme a break

  47. Brian December 11th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Mike Cameron = Wilson Betemit. Low average, tons of strikeouts.

    Admittedly Cameron has better power (Betemit had a bit).

    I’d rather have Burnett and Sheets 100% in the fold before I even thought about spending $10MM on a guy like Cameron.

    It’s all about the pitching.

  48. Wave Your Hat December 11th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Tim Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal is now saying there may be a snag in the Cabrera for Cameron deal.

  49. Patrick December 11th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    From the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel,

    “A member of the Brewers’ traveling party told the Journal-Sentinel that no Mike Cameron-for-Melky Cabrera deal was done yet.
    It sounds like the Brewers want more in return if they’re going to pick up any part of Cameron’s $10 million salary. On the other hand, they might be fine with it as is if the Yankees swallow the entire amount. It doesn’t look like there’s much to speculation that the deal could grow to include Bill Hall and/or Kei Igawa.”

    I’d give up a pitching prospect if the Brewers pick up some of the salary, depending on the quality of the prospect.

  50. ariel December 11th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Adam,

    If Manny comes he’ll be the DH. The question then would be what to do with Matsui in his last year. Quite probably, the DH would be the answer (for him or any other of the aged). A trade would not be out of the question. It was unlikely that they would have kept both Melky and Gardner on the roster. With Cameron, you might see Gardner back in Scranton.

    Bottomline….Cameron for Melky does not impact the possibility of signing Manny.

  51. bigjf December 11th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    Bill Hall is also a friend of Sabathia, from what I heard, so it would be good to get him, but that is a lot of money for what would be a bench player. If the Yanks are going to include a pitching prospect, they’d better get something more in return, maybe force the Brewers to take Igawa.

  52. JJNJ December 11th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    Sounds like a good deal IMO.

  53. Fredo Corleone December 11th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Yankees farmhand Reggie Corona was grabbed up by the Mariners in the Rule 5.

  54. Patrick December 11th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    “Seattle drafted middle infielder Reegie Corona from the Yankees system. Corona’s a light-hititng second baseman/shortstop.”

  55. jennifer December 11th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    we are taking on 10 million and we have to include someone else! Hopefully that ‘prospect’s name is Kei Igawa!!

  56. CB December 11th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    I posted a detailed post about Cameron in the last thread. I thought I’d repost it here as its relevant to this thread:

    I’m very happy with this Cameron deal, particularly if Melky is the primary player going bac,

    I’ve written about this before – but upgrading CF was an absolute must. No question about it. Not with the deficiencies in the other part of the line up.

    Is Cameron great? No. Does he have huge limitation to his game? Sure. He strikes out way to much. We know that.

    But what people have to remember is that centerfielders in general are horrible offensive players. There just aren’t many good ones.

    Cameron hits for a low average. Sure. But one of this teams biggest problems last season was that they stopped working counts and running up pitch counts as they’ve done in the past.

    Abreu and Giambi are gone. But look who they’ve brought on board – both Swisher and Cameron are amongst the league leaders in pitches seen per at bat every year.

    Last year Cameron saw 4.2 pitches per at bat. Melky saw 3.7. That a huge upgrade.

    Seeing all of those pitches is why Cameron strikes out a lot. But on the flip side he also draws a lot of walks. His OBP is often 80-90 points higher than his batting average. So Cameron gets on base higher than a league average player while playing CF. That’s very valuable and a huge upgrade from melky/gardner.

    Then in addition to the OBP Cameron hits for a lot of power.

    Last season only 8 CF in all of baseball had an OPS of over .800. Mike Cameron was one of them.

    In addition he plays a very good defensive CF. Not as good as he was at his peak but he’s still very good.

    Last year Cameron was 5-13 runs better than a league average CF. That’s excellent.

    Finally, you need to compare what Gardner/ Melky were likely to give you vs. what Cameron will. That’s the choice.

    Cameron is going to be around 30 runs better at the plate than Gardner or Melky are likely to be. 30 runs. That’s 3 additional wins.

    To add 3 additional wins to your team is enormous. TO put that in context adding CC to the team adds 5-6 extra wins. To get 3 additional wins for $10M is a steal.

    To put 3 additional wins in another context. If the yankees were to sign Tex to replace Swisher they would pick up 3 additional wins.

    Getting Cameron has way more bang for the buck than getting Tex would have.

    Upgrading CF was by far the most efficient possible way for them to improve the offense because the player they had at that spot could very well have been awful at the plate (just as Melky and Gardner were last year…).

    And I don’t want to hear about Gardner having 2 decent weeks in September. You can’t plan based on that.

  57. pat December 11th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Cash should extend Cameron to bring down his AAV. He could be the new Ruben Sierra down the road.

  58. Yankee Trader December 11th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Phil Parcells
    December 11th, 2008 at 11:55 am
    “Yankees take lead in Tex sweepstakes. Link to follow !!!”

    I really don’t think this is happening, “UNLESS” Boras says to the Yankees he wants to be in pinstripes and will play for less, much like the offer of beltran for 19M less than the Mets were paying!

    Are the Yankees now planning a 210 million or more payroll, with luxury tax at 40% for every dollar above 162M??
    That figures to be costing them some 272 million. Hope the revenue streaming in continues in this weak economy!!

  59. ariel December 11th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Cameron was a very positive influence with the Brewers last year, especially with their younger players, of which they have many. Losing CC certainly will hurt morale; perhaps the absence of Cameron even more so.

  60. Fredo Corleone December 11th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    “A trade would not be out of the question”

    Actually, it may well be out of the question. Given the glut of corner outfield/DH types already on the market, trading Matsui could be exceedingly difficult. He’s limited to the AL because he can’t play the field and with too many other options out there that 1) cost no talent and 2) will likely be less than $13M, it ain’t going to happen.

  61. ariel December 11th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Fredo,

    I did not limit the possibility of a trade to Matsui.

  62. Fredo Corleone December 11th, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Kroenke taken by the Marlins in Rule 5.

  63. Bobby December 11th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    He did not just put Brett Gardner in the same context as Austin Jackson, did he?

    He’s either a poor man’s Juan Pierre or a more talented Bubba Crosby, and is north of 25, I don’t get the love for this guy.

    ***bangs head against wall several times***

  64. Matt December 11th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    This is also a good deal solely for the fact that it motivates Cano as well. Remember what happened when his buddy Melky got sent down to AAA last year? He took off. Cano needs to not be able to goof around and instead needs to focus on hitting .300.

  65. bru December 11th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    it looks like we are very close on burnett.

    don’t be suprised if we hear something today.

    rumor is burnett’s agent is calling other teams one last time to beat the yankees guaranteed offer.

    although a huge risk we are going to have a great rotation.

    the nice thing is that we are not giving up any significant prospects wich is different from what we did in the past.

    not only are we signing free agents we are keeping our young prospects wich i think will be the difference than in past years.

    ajax,hughes,kennedy,melancon,brackman,betances,montero,romine & on and on.

    as long as we do the right things regarding the farm system i don’t think it matters who we sign or how much we spend.

  66. baseball junky December 11th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Horrid move. Cameron is no upgrade or a decent stop gap. He basically hits a home run 20-25 times a year. He’s getting up their in age. There has got to be a better option.

    If this occurs our Outfield could be one of the weakest in the league depending on what Nady we get in 09.

    thumbs down…

  67. Oh Sheet! December 11th, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    Gardner isnt going back to triple a.

    They have room on the roster for 6 outfielders when one of them will play first base.

    Gardner will back up damon and cameron, pinchrun etc…

    it was refreshing last year to see a good pen with lefties, and a guy who can steal bases at the end (gardner/christian)

  68. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 11th, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    The pitching prospect better be low-low tier. This is a salary dump for the Brewers even if Melky sucks. they still get a CF back.

  69. trisha - CC will opt to be a Yankee. December 11th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    “Those unrealistic fans who thought the Yankees would keep pending on Mark Teixeira or Manny Ramirez will complain. But this is the sort of move Brian Cashman intended to do all along.”

    I’m not complaining. Since I think any team nutty enough to take on Manny is a few cards short of a full deck, I am happy to fully believe – unless told otherwise by the Yankee organization – that they wouldn’t touch him with a ten-foot pole. Never cared about Teixiera so I won’t complain about that either.

    I could easily live with Mike Cameron. I guess it always boils down to trust – and I fully trust that the Yankee organization knows more than we do. In fact, I would take that case pro bono and win it in a court of law 7 days a week.

    So whatever it is, it is.

    Go Yankees!!!

  70. ariel December 11th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Heyman is at it again…or should I say “Boras”.http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....weepstakes

    I find it interesting that Heyman’s source reference is typically “SI has learned”, not the somewhat more responsible (but still not solid) “an anonymous source within the xxxxx organization”.

  71. feefooo December 11th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    how is cameron not an upgrade over melky and gardner? are you stupid or maybe youre just disappointed we didnt trade for beltran to be our stop gap CFer.

  72. Tim Clougher December 11th, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    I believ the payroll won’t hurt next year, I think they get a pass for having the new stadium..Somebody on this blog probably know’s better than me, but I read something about that..

  73. pat December 11th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    “This is also a good deal solely for the fact that it motivates Cano as well. Remember what happened when his buddy Melky got sent down to AAA last year? He took off. Cano needs to not be able to goof around and instead needs to focus on hitting .300.”

    That can be proven with the same accuracy that Jeter hits more HRs on days that Giambi put his right sock on before his left.

    Cano took off because his swing was tweaked not because Melky was 100 miles away.

  74. Espresso December 11th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    I have always been a Cameron fan, if not a die hard, but looking at the numbers he is not much of an upgrade from Melky at the plate. I don’t think Melky’s defense if what got him sent down. Cameron strikes out a ton. He does hit more home runs, but his OBP isn’t that good, and it isn’t that much higher than Melky’s, well last years was pretty bad. I guess straight up is ok, I would not include anything besides Igawa along with Melky though.

    I believe Melky is going to prove the doubters wrong and be a decent major league center fielder.

  75. Tim Clougher December 11th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    sorry believe, and not hurt because of the luxury tax…

  76. Bellylard December 11th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    Good deal.

  77. Jason December 11th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Have to agree with baseball junky on all accounts, we are going to have the worst OF in baseball next year, at least of any decent team. Cameron is the last guy I wanted for this team.

    Could Cashman show some kind of ingenuity? He bid against himself for CC, is trying to give 5 years to a guy who’s arm is about to fall off and is only halfway decent when he is pitching instead of going after Lowe who is proven in the AL East and big games, and now this! I would give Cashman an F if these 2 moves go down. I am totally bummed out about the direction of this team.

  78. 86w183 December 11th, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    There’s one big positive about Cameron that has not been mentioned. In the last two seasons he has clobbered lefties to the tune of a .914 OPS in 2007 and .951 last year. Keeping Gardner lets him start once or twice a week against righties, making Cameron that much more productive and giving Gardner some quality PT. He’s definitely one of the top ten CF in baseball and Gardner giving him a rest here and there will slow the aging process.

    Is it worth $ 10 M? Not if it’s my money, but it isn’t.

  79. Frank December 11th, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    10 million?

    we should’ve just offered abreu arbitration and took his salary for a year…..he’s much better than cameron too….

  80. David December 11th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    Nady is turning 30 this year. That makes Cano our only position player under 30. That doesn’t bode well for the Yankees in the long run.

    Also, what Frank said. Abreu is much better an Cameron. Why let him walk only to pick up another aging outfield and one who won’t have a .400 OBP? Cabrera hit .280 as a rookie – that’s worth something. It’s too early to give up on him.

  81. Tantron Willoughby December 11th, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    10 Million for mediocrity at it’s finest! Here’s to the rally killing strike outs and to the over priced elderly center fielder. Please raise the cup of NSAIDS.

  82. 86w183 December 11th, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    Abreu’s better vs RHP, not LHP — his career OPS vs LHP is .776 while Cameron’s is .851.

    Add to that Abreu is a far worse OF defensively. Abreu would have cost $ 16 M in arbitration. Cameron at $ 10 M is a FAR better deal.

  83. Jbomb December 11th, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Caahman’s love affair with old 2nd tier baseball player’s continues. Last year Melky and Cameron had similar numbers. At least Melky has a better arm and is less injury prone and has the potential to improve. Cameron only has the potential to decline further.

  84. TIDROW December 11th, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    Cashman is a checkbook GM. He lacks foresight, ingenuity,evaluation skills and common sense. He’s acting out of desperation and teams and player agents are taking advantage of him. This team will live to regret resigning him to lead this team into a new era.

  85. Matt December 11th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    This works two ways for us. It gives CC a friend who can show him around town, and someone he can get along with. Two, it takes away Cano’s best friend. It sends him a message that if he doesn’t start getting his act together he’s gonna be a Pittsburgh Pirate..

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