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The gifts could start arriving on Thursday

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 15, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It sounds like Thursday will be press conference day at (old) Yankee Stadium. Not sure yet if it’ll be just CC Sabathia or A.J. Burnett as well. The Yankees will have armed guards present to make sure nobody flings a shoe at Brian Cashman.

Meanwhile there’s a report out there that Andy Pettitte has a three-year, $36.5 million offer. If so, than good for him. But Pettitte said two things all season: He wanted a one-year deal and he wanted to stay with the Yankees.

The Yankees have offered him just that opportunity. After everything that happened, he should take it. Based on what I’ve heard from fans, his status will be damaged otherwise.

The Yankees and Brewers were planning to talk today to try and complete that trade for Mike Cameron. There were reports that Kei Igawa was involved but that may no longer be the case.

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392 Responses to “The gifts could start arriving on Thursday”

  1. Outlawz December 15th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    I think it should be a separate press conference for AJ and CC.

  2. Kevin December 15th, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Sure, throw some more money around. I love Andy but come on!

  3. Dominick December 15th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Wow…I wonder which team made him that offer? The Rangers?

  4. John December 15th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    Either give Andy the $16 million… or rush Hughes’ development again and force him into the rotation (Aceves won’t last long with Hughes breathing down his neck).

    No reason to sign Sheets/Lowe either. It is Andy or Hughes for 09.

  5. Jonathan December 15th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    That’s great news, that means I’ll get my Sabathia jersey during the weekend.

  6. Y26 December 15th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    When Derek Lowe is about to get 4 years/$16 million from someone…. Andy for 3/$36 is a steal.

    Andy gives you everything Lowe does— 200 innings, big game pitcher, durable, competitive, battle tested etc. Except he will be much cheaper. Both are the same age too.

    If Andy put himself on the market and allowed his agent to shop him, he will get multiple 3 yr offers. The only reason he hasn’t is that most of baseball thinks he has no interest in going elsewhere so they are not even bothering to make him an offer.

  7. Clint December 15th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    “The Yankees will have armed guards present to make sure nobody flings a shoe at Brian Cashman.”

    LOL. One of the reporters should do it anyway, just as a joke.

  8. Jeff December 15th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Pettitte should never be invited to an Old Timers Day or a reunion if he leaves and doesn’t have the ego to take a paycut. Who the hell does he think he is, after the Yanks stood up for him with the Mitchell Rreport including him and coming off a mediorce season?

    Just come back.

  9. Matthew Cohen December 15th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    lol – Pete that is classic.

  10. Phil December 15th, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    Hughes wouldn’t be rushed at this point. If he’s healthy he’s probably better than Andy.

  11. Indy DET December 15th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    Just give Hughes the spot and move on. No need for Andy… time to get younger.

    Ready or not, Hughes is still a better option than Andy.

  12. Wilson December 15th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Cashman has something up his sleeve… maybe not Tex/Manny, maybe a trade.

    But he will not go into the season with this mediocre offense

  13. AP December 15th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Hughes can be the #5

    Use that money towards Dunn

  14. Upstate December 15th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    …To compare Andy …..

    Is there a website that can sort stats to the point that it can spit-out data showing:

    Side-by-Side numbers for the ML pitcher that is “MOST SIMILIAR” to Andy in 2008 & 2007 ???

  15. Joe Schmoe 2 December 15th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    Sabathia will get 52. Eiland had that number, but since he’s the pitching coach they can just give him another random number.

    I say Burnett gets 34 from Marte. Marte can then take 43, his old # from PITT, which belonged to Rasner in 08.

  16. Simon December 15th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    My word Pete.

    If reports are correct, you’re really advocating Pettite to leave $16.5m on the table.

    Nobody here would do that in the same situation. Nobody.

  17. Braintrust December 15th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    It’s sad to say, but Andy’s time with the Yanks is running out. I would give him a deadline of next week to take the offer.

  18. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 15th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    I can’t wait to hear the responses to this, but what if the Yankees offered Ken Griffey Jr. a short term contract at a modest price. He definitely isn’t a CF anymore, but couldn’t he be had for relatively cheap. His swing is still pretty sweet.

    Health issues, though, I know.

  19. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 15th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    “Hughes can be the #5

    Use that money towards Dunn”

    I agree. However Hughes can only go 175 innings tops and Joba will only be able to go 150 innings.

  20. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 15th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    “I can’t wait to hear the responses to this, but what if the Yankees offered Ken Griffey Jr. a short term contract at a modest price. He definitely isn’t a CF anymore, but couldn’t he be had for relatively cheap. His swing is still pretty sweet.

    Health issues, though, I know.”

    Griffey hates the Yankees. Also he is really a DH nowadays.

  21. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 15th, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    AP,

    No, Hughes can’t be the #5. Hughes is not ready for the rotation.

    He needs another pitch in addition to his new cutter and both pitches need to be mastered.

    He is long relief and spot starts for the big league club starting in July or August.

  22. harwood December 15th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    I think we are selling low on Igawa. Scranton has fans too.

  23. JUSTIN December 15th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    SAVE SOME DEALS FOR JANUARY PLEASE CASHSY ..I DONT WANT TO BE BORED IN JAN…WHEN THERE IS NOTHING TO READ, BUT AROD’S NEW GIRL FRIEND RUMORS LOL…

    ON A SERIOUS NOTE COULD U GET THE DEAL DONE ALREADY FOR CAMERON ….THEN SIGN TEX LET …{MR HGH} ANDY.P ..GO INTO THE SUNSET ..IF HE DOES NOT ACCEPT THE OFFER IN THE NEXT WEEK.
    IF HE DOES NOT THEN SIGN SHEETS LET HIM BE NUMBER 4.

    2 YEARS 30 MILL THE MOST

    AND LETS PLAY BALL!!!!!!!!

  24. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 15th, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Y26: derrick lowe born 6/1/73
    pettitte born 6/15/72

  25. Trevor December 15th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Nothing wrong with Joba & Hughes being 4th/5th starters. Just let guys like Kennedy, Aceves, Chase Wright be there if someone gets injured. That’s what your system is for. No need to pay Pettitte who is a 4 at best at this stage of his career 10 million.

  26. sw December 15th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    Just offer Pettitte $12 million, it’s a fair number considering his cumulative performance of the past two years. Elias’s formula actually gives him the third highest free agent ranking among starting pitchers, behind CC and AJ.

  27. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 15th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Al,

    When has Griffey ever said he “hates the Yankees”?

    I will agree that he is more of a DH.

  28. JUSTIN December 15th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    OKK I WANNA ..GET SOME OF U GUYS VIEWS ON THIS… WHAT ABOUT HOLDING OUT ON TEX THIS YEAR GOING WITH THE OFFENSE WE HAVE AND WAITING FOR ANOTHER BIG FREE AGENT 1ST BASEMEN LIKE …HOWARD,FIELDER IF HE DOESN’T BLOW UPP FROM EATING TO MANY DONUTS PUJULS ,PENA ,EC…. THE LIST GOES ON …I DONT REALLY KNO WHAT I WOULD DO ..JUST WANTED TO KNO WHAT YOU GUYS THINK???

  29. Paul December 15th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    What Hughes doesn’t need is more time at AAA. He’s succeeded at that level. He needs to get ML experience. As a 5 starter, if he goes a bit better than .500, wonderful, but even more important, he learns how to pitch to ML hitters. At some point over the next season, we’ll have a good idea if he’s an ML or a AAAA pitcher.

    If Andy walks, I certainly wouldn’t hold it against him. He’s done alot for the Yanks and the Yanks have given him alot, but business is business. He doesn’t owe the Yanks to accept a contract lower than he thinks he’s worth any more than the Yanks owe him a contract at greater than what they think he’s worth. If another team wants to pay him more than the Yanks do, then so it goes.

    I’m very happy with a front four of CC, CMW, AJ, and Joba. That should add up to 70+ wins right there. 10 more out of a fifth starter and 15 out of the pen and we’re at 95.

  30. harwood December 15th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    psst. Your caps lock and multiple punctuation marks keys are down. Not sure if youre aware…

  31. AROD fan December 15th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    If that offer really exists then he should take it. Silly Yankee fans–we wanted CC hung when we thought he wouldn’t follow the money. Now with Pettite it’s the opposite.

    And I really couldn’t care less whether Pettite is on the team next year or not.

    And also, I wonder if such an offer really exists. I guess with the recent Ibanez deal anything can happen!

  32. Upstate December 15th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    “Griffey”

    …ever since he got his rear-end kicked out of the Yankee locker room as a kid…his Dad was a Yankee at one time

  33. ellen December 15th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Easy on the CAPS, buddy!

  34. Buddy Biancalana December 15th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Al,

    When has Griffey ever said he “hates the Yankees”?

    I will agree that he is more of a DH.

    ————————————————————

    He has said that for years based on Steinbenner not allowing his Dad to bring him in the Yankee clubhouse etc…

  35. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 15th, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    here’s the nytimes verion of the griffey’s beef with the yankees and specifically billy martin from 7/25/91:

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f.....A967958260

  36. Nick in SF in Napa December 15th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    No Griffey and no all-caps. Those are the rules.

  37. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO) December 15th, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    are people really serious when they say that trusting phil and joba for 4 & 5 spots??

    Come on, learn from the mistakes we made this year. Sign Andy, phil starts in AAA, no pressure on joba, and all is well.

  38. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 15th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    joba has to be the #5 starter b/c of his inning cap. what ppl are suggesting isnt to give the job to phil use, but to allow everyone including some ST invitees to compete for the spot.

  39. Yanks in 2010 December 15th, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Nady, Miranda, Kennedy, E. Ramirez for Votto & Arroyo

    Damon
    Jeter
    Votto
    A-Rod
    Matsui
    Posada
    Cano
    Swisher
    Gardner/Melky

    CC
    Wang
    Burnett
    Arroyo
    Joba

    Lets go to war

  40. Mike Sommer December 15th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Read all about it in my pathetic Sommer Frieze blog. It is a joke.

  41. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 15th, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    i go back and forth, if it were the #5 spot that was open, i think id be for having an open competition for it. but with joba’s innings limits preventing him from taking the ball every 5th day, its too big a risk, they have to get someone and andy fits the bill perfectly. just that he has to get his mind around getting paid as a #4 and not as a #2.

  42. Nick in SF in Napa December 15th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Arroyo looks even more like a lost Weaver brother than AJ! No Arroyo!

  43. Yanks in 2010 December 15th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Arroyo looks even more like a lost Weaver brother than AJ! No Arroyo!

    You miss the point…the point is to get Votto…we take on Arroyo as a salary dump…and he fills the role of a back end rotation guy

    He was .500 for the Reds the last three years…can’t be that bad

  44. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 15th, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    arroyo with the ‘weaver look’:

    http://i5.photobucket.com/albu.....Arroyo.jpg

  45. Nick in SF in Napa December 15th, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    I can hear David Cone growl as he says “Joey Votto” but I haven’t figured out if that attracts or repulses.

  46. NY Fan December 15th, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    That’s a little too much and too long for Andy. I thought he was talking with Torre and LA

  47. Kj December 15th, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Anyone see the new pics of the Yanks clubhouse? Its INSANE!

  48. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 15th, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    torre basically said that he did talk to andy, but not about andy coming to elay and that torre expected andy to sign back with the yankees.

  49. Bret the Hitman December 15th, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    I’d really love to see Hughes, Kennedy and Aceves compete for the 5th spot. Aceves compares to Campillo on the Braves. Both are soft-tossers capable of throwing a high number of innings.

    Too many fans fear a repeat of 2008 when Hughes and Kennedy were both given a spot and bombed.

    This year we’re not talking about 2 spots.

    This year has nothing to do with guarantees.

    We’re talking about 1 spot and 3 hungry kids all feeling like they deserve it.

    That being said, we need a better offense to reduce the risk involved. And no to Mark Teixeira. Too expensive. No to Adam Dunn. K-machine.

    Surprise me Brian Cashman.

  50. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 15th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    the babe agrees! the new lockers are awesome!:

    http://www.fansedge.com/Images.....1579-F.jpg

  51. Nick in SF in Napa December 15th, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    I would be happy to bet anybody (but not everybody) one 7-pack of Moose Bars that Andy will sign with the Yanks. I take the affirmative side of the bet.

  52. David December 15th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    I don’t believe that Andy was really offered $36.5 million. But, if it’s true, he should take that offer. I won’t blame him or hold it against him.

  53. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 15th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    ill see your mosse bar and raise you one reggie bar!

  54. JUSTIN December 15th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    KJ can we get a link to see ????

  55. Vrsce December 15th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Nick in SF in Napa

    Will he cry at the press conference and tell everyone how much he wanted to be a Yankee for his last year and pitch in the new stadium? Or will he just be p od that he could not weasel 16mm?

  56. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story December 15th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Heh, you guys will like this—

    baseball came up in my medieval England class today. In the vein of, small sample size = bad historians.

    Someone mentioned baseball and I kind of lost it.

    It was funny.

  57. Kevin December 15th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    If that report is true, then wow. I can’t imagine a team could be that lame out there. Three years? They will be kicking themselves when Andy struggles again in ’09 and beyond, he’s on the decline and although I wouldn’t have minded the Yanks scooping him up as their 5th, I won’t be losing any sleep if he signs elsewhere. How could he pass up 3 years at this point in his career? I wouldn’t blame him one bit if he took that.

  58. Nick in SF in Napa December 15th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    I cannot predict Andy’s press conference demeanor, just that he will sign.

  59. riyankeefan777 December 15th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    arroyo?!?!?! arroyo?!?!?!? he had a higher era than pettitte in the nl central 4.77 to 4.54 respectively im not impressed with what he would bring to the table at all. not a good trade youre suggesting in any way whatsoever

  60. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 15th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    hes out there….lurking….just when you think its safe and he can never scare you again….

    http://www.emptythebench.com/w.....ponson.jpg

  61. Doreen December 15th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    what does not make sense about an offer of a 3-year deal for Pettitte is that for the past few years, Pettitte hasn’t know from one year to the next whether he was going to pitch the following season. I can’t see that changing now at his age, but I guess you never know – it would depend on who the offer is from and how it is structured.

  62. rick December 15th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    please let cameron and pettite fade off into the sunset. they are not worth the frustration it is taking to get them here. the brewers are trying to get back at the yankees for CC by making them pay through the nose for cameron. and pettite is a complete disappointment after the team and the fans stood by him last year. he is not worth 10 millions anyway. andy please disappear.

  63. Bret the Hitman December 15th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    As for the Cameron-Melky swap…

    Is this not the longest most peculiar negotiation for marginal role players you’ve ever heard of in your entire life? There might be 1 team interested in Melky. They’re called the Brewers. As for Cameron, his market is the Yankees and that team from New York that plays in the AL.

    Are they really quabbling over dollars or are they talking about players that would actually warrant elaborate, intense, deep and mysterious discussion.

    Why can’t Cashman just call them up and say, ‘I have scrap and want your scrap. Let’s trade scrap?’ Then the two GM’s shake hands, push papers, schedule physicals and a blurb appears in the NY post or a blog here that will make us all go postal.

  64. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    “Pettitte should never be invited to an Old Timers Day or a reunion if he leaves and doesn’t have the ego to take a paycut.”

    That’s easy for you to say. You’re not losing 6mil.

  65. ZMAN7777 December 15th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    Goodbye Andy Pettitte. 1 year at $10 million is more than enough. You and your agent have made quite a mess of things.

  66. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 15th, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    maybe texas made the offer to andy? iv heard he’s not happy with houston so i doubt its them. the mets are the only other team i could think of that would make that offer but who knows? it doesnt seem like a team other than texas or ny would even think about andy accepting a 3 yr offer.

    if andy really isnt sure he’s going to pitch past this season, taking essentially a $12M offer to go somewhere else is pretty weak.

  67. Tom December 15th, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Dorren, I agree. It does seem strange. Pettitte’s not going to win 300 games, he’s at 215 right now, so why would he suddenly be willing to make a three year commitment?

  68. jennifer December 15th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Andy is really ticking me off. He’s says he wants to finish his career as a Yankee. Well the Yankees are giving him a chance to remain a Yankee. But apparently it isn’t under his terms. He pitched like garbage the second half of last year, but yet he doesn’t feel he should take a pay cut. And he has his agent floating that he called the Dodgers, and that a phantom 3/36 offer is out there. Does he or his agents think that this will cause the Yankees to jump and raise their offer?

  69. Jamie December 15th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    Any link for the pictures of the locker room?

  70. Drive 4-5 December 15th, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Doreen,

    You’re right. It doesnt make sense that Andy would commit to 3 years even in New York or Houston.

    I dont understand all this hate towards Pettitte if he balks at taking a 37.5% pay cut. Was he supposed to readily agree to whatever price Cashman came up with? Cashman threw an extra $20mil to CC. What’s the harm in throwing another 1 or 2 at Andy and come to an agreement?

  71. Drive 4-5 December 15th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    “Pettitte should never be invited to an Old Timers Day or a reunion if he leaves and doesn’t have the ego to take a paycut.”

    “That’s easy for you to say. You’re not losing 6mil.”

    Well said, Laura.

  72. jennifer December 15th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Laura what is 6 million when you’ve made 108 million in 14 years. Believe me I am not crying for him. I look at what is going on around me, people I know who have lost their jobs. I am not crying over Andy making 10 million a year.

  73. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO) December 15th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    “hes out there….lurking….just when you think its safe and he can never scare you again….”

    LMFAO.

  74. ZMAN7777 December 15th, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Hey Drive — they no longer truly need Pettite and his mediocrity. There are still plenty of options left. $10 million for what he has left is plenty.

  75. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 15th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    i really think this has to do with the offers they made to burnett, lowe and sheets. he’s made more starts than any of those guys (maybe tied with lowe) and pitched more innings and gotten more wins over the past 4 years and the yankees thought nothing of throwing the money at them. i get it but its time to sit down and sign at $11M or 12M and get ready for ST.

  76. Nick in SF in Napa December 15th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    If Andy’s agents are floating a phony 3-year offer, that would be sad.

    But maybe Cashman is floating the rumor to justify going to $12 million.

    Or maybe some nefarious 3rd party is floating the rumor to muddy the waters.

    Maybe it’s the new Mrs. Aceves mistakenly thinking she’s helping her husband. She’s got some ‘splainin’ to do! But I could never stay mad at her… Sigh.

  77. riyankeefan777 December 15th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    “Pettitte should never be invited to an Old Timers Day or a reunion if he leaves and doesn’t have the ego to take a paycut”

    would you stay at your job if they said they were gonna pay you 37.5% less than what you want and you had a better offer somewhere else? i dont fault him at all for taking a better offer if its out there i highly doubt that! lay off pettitte, he did a hell odf alot for the yankees in the 90′s and should def be invited to old timers day down the road when that day comes.

  78. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO) December 15th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    just a bit of an update on how the melk-man and cano are doing

    http://slidingintohome.blogspo.....eport.html

  79. john December 15th, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Andy pettite is not getting 3yrs 36mil. I pity the gm who makes that deal.

  80. PreteFunkEra December 15th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Rebecca,

    medieval England class eh? Isn’t that your dream? Swords and Baseball?

  81. Vrsce December 15th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Laura

    Andy is not losing 6mm. He was never getting 16mm this year. He is a very nice fellow but sadly has a weak character and a very misplaced sense of entitlement.

  82. dave December 15th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    i DONT understand this whole melky and igawa for cameron deal. i would think they are essentially trading cameron as a salary dump and we would take on the 10 mil owed to him. Igawa is still owed a decent amount of money as well – i cant imagine the brewers would trade one contract to take on another. And i heard they are haggling over how much of igawas contract the yanks should cover? I am not sure this is the case and correct me if im wrong but wouldnt that mean that the yanks are spending 10 mil plus whatever they pay off of igawas contract in order to have cameron’s services. iF cameron is going to cost us the 10 million owed to him plus the 4 or so million owed to igawa this year and perhaps, beyong. Maybe this trade isnt such a good idea. There are certainly better free agents on the OF market that would take somewhere around 15 mil.

  83. pat December 15th, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Being offered 3/36 and being interested in or agreeing to 3/36 are different things. Why not at least wait until Andy decides before you un-invite him from old timers day games or question his “True Yankeedom”- whatever that means.

    He said last year he would prefer to pitch on 1 year deals so if his elbow gave him any trouble he wouldn’t feel he left anyone hanging.

  84. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    “I am not crying over Andy making 10 million a year.”

    Nor would I expect you to. I responded to a post of yours in the previous thread, Jen. In that post, I said that 10mil to you and me isn’t the same thing to someone like Andy. Put his situation in your terms (salary, etc) and then see how you feel about such a steep pay cut.

    I have to say that I find all of this Andy venom to be surprising. I guess what surprises me the most is how fair weather Yankee fans apparently are. People used to cherish the old guard. Now, you want to throw them away with yesterday’s trash. I don’t know if it’s the dire economic situation that has people so harsh or what. Perhaps it’s best that Andy hang it up as it appears that at least on this blog, his efforts over the years have gone for naught.

  85. harwood December 15th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    just a bit of an update on how the melk-man and cano are doing

    http://slidingintohome.blogspo.....eport.html

    Melky is really becoming annoying.

  86. Drive 4-5 December 15th, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    AJ Burnett had a career season last year and won omly 4 more games than Pettitte. Who’s more likely to pitch 200+ inings next year Pettitte ( done it 10 of the last 12 years) or Burnett ( done it 3 times in 10 years) ?

  87. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 15th, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Nick– maybe it’s CC’s agent trying to get the Yankees to up their offer. CC doesn’t want to come to NY we should pull our offer and move on!!

  88. David December 15th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    I didn’t know Mitchell made him another offer.

  89. vin December 15th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Mark it down… this Thursday CC, AJ will be introduced at the press conference, and Andy will make an appearance as well. There’s no way Andy goes anywhere else – this is just Negotiating 101.

  90. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 15th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Drive 4-5,

    Andy, Andy, Andy all the way, he is an inngings eater who will pitch even when hurt and will at least give you 14 wins, how is that not an ideal #4 pitcher?

  91. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story December 15th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Prete: Pretty much.

  92. jennifer December 15th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Laura I am not ready to toss him out. But there also comes a point when the player simply cannot play any more up to high standards. The second half of last season was awful. Just as we had to let Bernie go, maybe it is time to let Andy?

  93. Vrsce December 15th, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    Laura

    Perhaps you could apply the same “fair weather” standard to Andy.
    He was welcomed back last year with a fine 16mm and totally forgiven for the HGH and the lies. He could not have been treated better by the Yankee fans.

    This year he rejects a good offer, cries to Torre and basicly mopes because he wants 16mm again. He has aroused a lot of emotion because of his churlish attitude, he is very lucky and extremely ungrateful, as I said previously weak, in a spoiled brat way.

  94. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 15th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    “Perhaps it’s best that Andy hang it up as it appears that at least on this blog, his efforts over the years have gone for naught.”

    That’s a bit of a melodramatic oversimplification I think. Nobody is saying that AP hasn’t been great for this team. I think what people are saying is that an aging veteran whose star is fading and not rising should not have one of the top salaries in the league. I love Andy and think he should come back. But I don’t see paying your #4 starter more money than Roy Halladay because he used to be really good.

  95. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    If Thursday’s press conference does feature CC, it will be interesting to hear him explain why he came to NY. If he says “I’ve always wanted to be a Yankee”, I might have to hurl. He needs to find a tactful way of saying “It was for the money”.

  96. Big Daddy December 15th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    If Andy Pettite can get a 3 year, 36 million dollar contract he should take it. 1 year for 10 million is perfectly fair. How would I feel with a 37.5% pay cut? Well if I was grossly overpaid the year before and performed as badly in my job as Pettite did in the 2nd half of the season, I’d feel lucky to have ANY job. Cameron is not the answer in CF and by June we’ll be looking for a new CF – thank you Doug Melvin for saving us from that mistake. I think the Yanks are in on Tex but not early – there is no need to get in early as Boras will bring the highest offer to them before he lets Tex sign elsewhere.

  97. AROD fan December 15th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    some of you guys make the yankees sound like a bad cult. why should pettite turn down 26 million?

  98. stuart December 15th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    Newsflash Andy at 3 yrs $36 mill. is AJ Burnett moronic.

    FOR the Andy lovers he really came thru down the stretch, I think like 1 and 7 with a 7 ERA.

    If $10 mill. is slave wages take another offer real YANKEE!!!!

    Adios…

    How about CC, Wang, Burnett, Jiba, and Hughes and others..I will take that in a second..

    Save the money try, to move Hideki and then sign TEX…..

  99. AROD fan December 15th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    (a bad cult, as opposed to a good cult)

  100. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    “The second half of last season was awful. Just as we had to let Bernie go, maybe it is time to let Andy?”

    Jen, I think that Andy was injured and pitched through it because our pitching rotation was already in shambles. I give him a lot of credit for going out there and taking one for the team.

  101. vin December 15th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Signing Pettitte preserves the team’s pitching depth (or “inventory” as Cash calls it). As we all know, the biggest problem last year was two spots in the rotation were going to unkowns. Injuries happened, the unknowns flamed out, and before you knew it, Rasner and Ponson comprise 40% of your rotation.

    If AJ breaks down, or Joba’s shoulder flares up, the holes created can be filled by a number of capable arms (hopefully). Kind of like when a bunch of guys were missing from the lineup last year… the batting order was very “short.”

    Cash knows this, as do the Hendricks Brothers (I assume they’re still representing Andy)… it’s just a matter of time before they reach a compromise.

  102. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    “I love Andy and think he should come back. But I don’t see paying your #4 starter more money than Roy Halladay because he used to be really good.”

    I’m not saying that Andy should be getting the $16mil he got last year. What I’ve been saying for an eternity now is that they should give him $12mil. How much does Halladay make?

  103. pat December 15th, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    “Well if I was grossly overpaid the year before and performed as badly in my job as Pettite did in the 2nd half of the season, I’d feel lucky to have ANY job.”

    How many people think they are “grossly overpaid”? Many are but not many think they are.

  104. raymagnetic December 15th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    “The Yankees will have armed guards present to make sure nobody flings a shoe at Brian Cashman.”

    Who throws a shoe? Honestly?!?

  105. Big Daddy December 15th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Nobody is giving Pettite 3-36. Moyer who had a better year got 2-15. If the Yanks move on without Pettite, he’ll be lucky to get 8 million a year elsewhere

  106. vin December 15th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    “Who throws a shoe? Honestly?!?”

    That’s exactly what I thought when I first saw the video. Haha

  107. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 15th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    “he says “I’ve always wanted to be a Yankee”, I might have to hurl. He needs to find a tactful way of saying “It was for the money”.”

    haha, agreed.

  108. Doreen December 15th, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    I think CC should say he got an offer he simply couldn’t refuse. It would crack everyone up and set the right tone. Then, he could go on to say all the things that they all seem to say. If he does that, it would be the most genuine press conferences of all time and he will win over every New Yorker!

  109. bru December 15th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    wins do not determine how well a pitcher pitched.

    stop comparing wins,innings.

    lowe,burnett,sheets all had much better numbers than pettitte.

    innings are important but wins are not & era is overated.

    pettitte’s whip,hits per innings pitched & BAA are not nearly as good as lowes,burnetts,sheets & i don’t care about the nl compared to the al.

    pettitte pitched 204 innings & gave up 233 hits,1.41 whip & the league batted 2.9
    against him.

    lowe pitched 211 innings & gave up 204 hits,1.13 whip & the league batted 2.46 against him.

    no way is pettitte worth 16 million a year.

  110. Big Daddy December 15th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    “Well if I was grossly overpaid the year before and performed as badly in my job as Pettite did in the 2nd half of the season, I’d feel lucky to have ANY job.”

    How many people think they are “grossly overpaid”? Many are but not many think they are.

    __________________

    Going 5-7 with an era over 5 after the all star break and finishing 2-5 with the same type era in August and September sure takes care of the ‘bad’ part. 8 million for that half of the season is simply awful. When you are as bad as Andy was in the 2nd half, it’s not hard realize you were grossly overpaid for what you did. Sports is usually easier than anywhere else to assess value.

  111. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 15th, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Last year Roy signed a 3 year extension: ’08 = 10m ::’09= 14m :: ’10= 15m. Andy is not worth more than the Doc.

  112. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 15th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Andy will come back, for what money? idk thats what they have to compromise but we need someone like him for insurance

    you cant just have a top 3 and then for the other 2 you tell everyone to go ahead and fight for it, yess you can do it for the #5 spot but not for both

  113. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    “no way is pettitte worth 16 million a year.”

    I feel like I’m trapped in the Twilight Zone. No one is saying that he is!!! What I’m saying is that he’s worth 12mil.

  114. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 15th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    dont stress it laura, im with ya lol

    anywhere from 10-12 is acceptable

  115. Vrsce December 15th, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    It is easy to see how Andy’s polite manner and good looks appeal to the female element of this blog. From a male perspective he is a real wimp and has the loyalty of a hooker.

  116. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    “Last year Roy signed a 3 year extension: ‘08 = 10m ::’09= 14m :: ‘10= 15m. Andy is not worth more than the Doc.”

    I’m saying Andy 2009 = 12mil. That’s less than Doc.

    Not for nothing, you can’t compare TOR to NYY. We have money that we don’t mind spending. They have less money that they don’t want to spend. If Doc had been a Yankee, I guarantee you his extension would have been a hell of a lot better than the one he got from TOR.

  117. T15D23 December 15th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Sick of this Andy bashing.

    The Yankees owe Andy. They jerked him around in 2003 to the point the guy was crying on the radio and then he pitches hurt for almost half the season, not in his best interest, but to help the poorly led Girardi team and now he should take table scraps from the Yankees?

    Where was A-Fraud’s decrease in salary after the loser opted out? After he chokes year after year?

    If the Cashman is holding it to a $6M decrease in salary and only for one year, it is no better than the deal given to Torre. It is meant to make him go away.

    And I blame the Yankees, not Andy Pettitte, who should have never been allowed to leave in the past and definitely not again.

  118. Mike S. December 15th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Mike Sommer
    December 15th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
    Read all about it in my pathetic Sommer Frieze blog. It is a joke.

    ————————————————————

    If you don’t like it, don’t read it. And don’t use MY name
    and blog. Use your own.

    There is a word here….it’s called ETHICS.

    Signed,
    The Real Mr. Sommer

  119. pat December 15th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    CC will mention the Yanks committment to winning and the extra mile the organization went to make him feel comfortable will be among the reasons CC will give. Covers the money aspect without being tacky and talking about money.

  120. Nick in SF in Napa December 15th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Maybe Andy will show up to the press conference to say “This is a goodbye kiss, you dog!”

  121. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    “It is easy to see how Andy’s polite manner and good looks appeal to the female element of this blog.”

    You do know that this is a sexist comment, right? Just checking.

    For the record, what appeals to me is a guy who goes out and gives 110% even when he doesn’t have it, which is what I think Andy did the second half.

  122. Vrsce December 15th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    “They jerked him around in 2003 to the point the guy was crying on the radio “.

    True, don’t forget he cried last year when he confessed his drug use, (although it took Mitchell to wring ot out of him). Then he always wanted to be a Yankee. What he meant was an overpaid Yankee. I do not mind 12mm, but the snivelling and hurt attitude coming from his camp is sickening.

  123. sw December 15th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    “pettitte’s whip,hits per innings pitched & BAA are not nearly as good as lowes,burnetts,sheets & i don’t care about the nl compared to the al.”
    But compared to himself, Pettitte had virtually the same WHIP, OBP, BAA, SLG in 2008 as he did in 2007, when the Yankees paid him $16 million.

    “Last year Roy signed a 3 year extension: ‘08 = 10m ::’09= 14m :: ‘10= 15m. Andy is not worth more than the Doc.”
    Well you can cherry pick any contract in the majors to prove a point. Carlos Silva, 4-15, 6.46 ERA has a 4/$48 million deal and is scheduled to be paid $11M in ’09. Surely Andy deserves more than him?

  124. ZMAN7777 December 15th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    The Yankees owe Andy?? Good Lord! Yes, they should do an immediate cash infusion into Pettitte’s account to ensure that he never go hungry. It’s obvious that there are very few business-minded folks on this board. Sentimentality has dragged the Yankees down for years. Until it ends, we’re a third place team.

  125. S.A.- CC you soon Mr. Sabathia December 15th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    “It is easy to see how Andy’s polite manner and good looks appeal to the female element of this blog.”

    Newsflash-no it doesn’t

  126. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    “Well you can cherry pick any contract in the majors to prove a point.”

    Plus, these contracts were all done at different times, typically better financial times than we live in now. They are also done by different teams with different financial situations.

  127. BD December 15th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    Andy needs to realize that he’s just not as subjectively valuable to the Yankees as he was a year ago. First, he just wasn’t as effective. Second, he’s a year older. Third, he would only be a fifth starter on this staff. Fourth, the Mitchell Report and the Clemens connection have tarnished his name.

    The people here who want to see the Yankees offer AP more than $10 million only seem to have one thing in mind: Andy’s feelings. While I wish Pettitte no harm, it seems to me his chagrin at no longer being in high demand is something almost all star athletes have to go through eventually. In fact, in his case, it’s even less understandable in that he’s been talking about retiring for YEARS.

  128. S.A.- CC you soon Mr. Sabathia December 15th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Maybe Andy will show up and throw his shoes at Cashman?

  129. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 15th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    “i DONT understand this whole melky and igawa for cameron deal. i would think they are essentially trading cameron as a salary dump and we would take on the 10 mil owed to him. Igawa is still owed a decent amount of money as well – i cant imagine the brewers would trade one contract to take on another. And i heard they are haggling over how much of igawas contract the yanks should cover? I am not sure this is the case and correct me if im wrong but wouldnt that mean that the yanks are spending 10 mil plus whatever they pay off of igawas contract in order to have cameron’s services. iF cameron is going to cost us the 10 million owed to him plus the 4 or so million owed to igawa this year and perhaps, beyong. Maybe this trade isnt such a good idea. There are certainly better free agents on the OF market that would take somewhere around 15 mil.”

    dave, your reading of the dollars involved is somewhat confused. the yankees owe igawa around $12M and we’ll throw in a million for melky for the next couple of years, that $13M the yankees wouldnt be paying. if they take cameron straight up for that package, they save $3M after they pay cameron his $10M.

    so even if the yankees pay say $5M to the twins, the bottom line for the yankees is a cost of $2M.

  130. ZMAN7777 December 15th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Well said, BD. Pettitte has lost a lot of credibility in recent years. The Yankees will do fine without him. Now, let’s improve the offense.

  131. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    “Sentimentality has dragged the Yankees down for years. Until it ends, we’re a third place team.”

    Wrong. We’ve been an unsuccessful playoff team because we haven’t had the pitching needed to win it all in the playoffs. Perhaps if the Yankees hadn’t alienated Andy into HOU’s arms, we might have won 1 or 2 more rings these last 8 years. But we’ll never know, will we?

  132. rackem December 15th, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Andy said he only wanted to play one more year before retiring. If he meant that, why is he considering a three year offer??

  133. rackem December 15th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    Laura, the Yankees were probably right to let him go the first year. They had concerns about his health and he broke down the next year.

  134. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    “Maybe Andy will show up and throw his shoes at Cashman?”

    I have a feeling that his aim will be better than the guy who was aiming at the President.

  135. rackem December 15th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    *first time

  136. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    “Andy said he only wanted to play one more year before retiring. If he meant that, why is he considering a three year offer??”

    I don’t think that he is. It could be his agents posturing.

  137. ZMAN7777 December 15th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Yeah, Laura, that’s it! Good to have a baseball expert like you on-board. No need to mention the poor business decisions the team made. It’s all about letting Andy go. He would have restored past glory. Give me a friggin break!

  138. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 15th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    okay, to all the people who dont want Andy back at all,no matter what the cost, i would like to know what you wanna do for the #4 spot?

  139. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    “Laura, the Yankees were probably right to let him go the first year. They had concerns about his health and he broke down the next year.”

    True, but he recovered and he might have been helpful to us after he got better.

  140. rackem December 15th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Let Aceves and Hughes battle it out!

  141. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 15th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    hopefully cashman has slick ducking moves like our president!! lol

  142. ZMAN7777 December 15th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    I agree, rackem. I’d also bring in a low-paid “#6″ starter as insurance. You never have enough starting arms.

  143. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    “No need to mention the poor business decisions the team made. ”

    I did mention the poor business decisions the team made. The team didn’t make sure that we had adequate pitching. Do I have to list the names of the bums the Yankees signed after Andy left? That’s going to be a long list.

  144. rackem December 15th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Laura, Yes he may have recovered. But Pettitte signed a 3 year deal worth 31.5M. The Yankees FO knew he was going to need elbow surgery. It was inevitable. So, did you expect them to eat at least 10M of that contract with the hope that he may recover from his surgery and be 100% again?

  145. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? December 15th, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    “Let Aceves and Hughes battle it out!”

    We need them to cover for Joba as they are saying he won’t be able to pitch the entire year due to his innings limitations.

  146. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 15th, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    Yanks2010- Arroyo? Don’t take Mike Francesa seriously man.

  147. rackem December 15th, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    ZMAN, Mark Mulder perhaps on an incentive laden deal?

  148. YankeeRay December 15th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Cameron deal on hold per MLBTR, Cash is going after Tex now.

  149. ZMAN7777 December 15th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Not a bad thought, rackem. Not bad at all.

  150. harwood December 15th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    “8:48pm: Tyler Kepner of the New York Times spoke to people involved with the deal and he gets the feeling that “the Yankees are backing away” for baseball reasons, not financial ones. Kepner adds that the Yankees know they don’t have to make this trade immediately if they don’t want to.”

    Manny! Mark Teixeira! Common down! You’re our next contestants on Yankee Off Season!

  151. S.A.- CC you soon Mr. Sabathia December 15th, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    I could see Manny throwing his shoes at someone..

  152. Big Daddy December 15th, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    “okay, to all the people who dont want Andy back at all,no matter what the cost, i would like to know what you wanna do for the #4 spot?”

    Ben Sheets on a 2 year deal
    Randy Wolf
    Paul Byrd
    Pedro Martinez
    Brad Penny

    I’d also love to see the Yankees sign Smoltz and have him be strong in the 2nd half and playoffs

  153. rackem December 15th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    “We need them to cover for Joba as they are saying he won’t be able to pitch the entire year due to his innings limitations.”

    I just feel that now with the top 3 that we have in our rotation, it is in our interests to get Hughes into the rotation. Have Kennedy piggyback with Hughes and have Aceves piggyback with Joba. Hughes and Kennedy are going to do no good sitting there dominating at AAA. Last year it was hard for us to work them in because we had no big men in the front of the rotation in April (Moose looked shaky, etc.). Now is the perfect opportunity.

  154. Vrsce December 15th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Poor misunderstood Andy Pettitte

    He feels mistreated and just doesn’t get it.

    No matter how much you cry and whine,

    there always, always comes a time,

    To be a man and take it,

    when expectations fail to make it.

  155. bru December 15th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    Laura – With this pitching staff, how can we lose?

    apparently cashman does not agree.

    since when did you become an expert on what pettitte is worth.

    he is worth much closer to 10 million than 16

    andy is just trying to take advantage of the yankees overspending.

    i would sign sheets for 2 yrs or make a trade.

  156. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 15th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

    if andy doesnt want $10M to come back for one year, maybe giambi will.

  157. ZMAN7777 December 15th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Might as well go after Texiera. He’ll cost about the same as Cameron + Pettitte. The only problem is that we’d be adding yet another huge, long-term contract.

  158. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 15th, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    cc
    wang
    aj
    andy
    joba & friends

    i think this is a great rotation, with good stability and insurances in AAA (Hughs), and is WORLDS better than what we had this year lol

    just add another bat or 2 and the yanks are in buisness baby.

  159. sw December 15th, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    “he is worth much closer to 10 million than 16″
    12 million is closer to 10 million than 16.

  160. S.A.- CC you soon Mr. Sabathia December 15th, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Sheets for 2 years-sign me up for that

  161. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 15th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    if we dont sign andy, then we need someone for the #4 spot, i agree that smoltz or wolf isnt a bad idea

  162. rackem December 15th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    I say offer Tex a seven year deal but give him an opt out clause after 3 years. As a Boras client, I can see him getting Tex to take the opt out after 3 years and hit free agency again at 32, where he can get another long term deal.

  163. AP December 15th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    What CC should say is…

    “I was never against coming to or playing in NY or for the Yankees. I’ve always had great respect for the Yankees as an organization. It was more about me wanting to play home, close to my family on the WC. It was always a family decision not a team/city decision. But after talking with Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi, they really opened my eyes to the positives of playing and living in NY. I really liked what I heard, hence my decision to meet with Brian 3 different times. They really erased any fears and answered all the questions my wife and I had. I was very intrigued about the opportunity after hearing what they had to say.”

    This way, he doesn’t sound like a phony like he would if he said “it was mu dream, to play in NY”

  164. Vince December 15th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    You know what, Andy is sort of looking like a fake to me. He plays up this wholesome, religious, selfless character….

    and yet he gets caught doping. Ok, I got past it because I was a Pettitte fan. But now this? The guy pitched to a 4.5 ERA, and gave up 230 hits in 200 innings. And the Yankees are willing to pay him $10 million for awfully average performance. And yet he seems to have a problem with that?

    I am definitely losing some respect for the guy.

  165. Eric December 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    I hope the hold on the Cameron deal is because we want to get involved in Teixeria/Manny and not because they want Gardner in CF instead.

  166. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    sheets is a no-go now that we have AJ, two very injury prone pitchers back to back is just asking for disaster, we need someone with more stability

  167. bru December 15th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    i don’t see the yankees upping pettittes offer.

    they all of a sudden are playing hardball.

    i feel sorry for jeter.

    you wan’t to talk about a pay cut..

    he better put up a great year before his contract.

  168. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 15th, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Eric,

    if we get teix or manny gardner can roam CF all he wants lol

  169. Funny Stuff December 15th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Wow, Pete. I didn’t know you wernt to the It IS High X-Mas party….

    How was it? Did you get lucky like Mike Lupica?

    Funny, funny stuff…

    http://johnsterling.blogspot.c.....008-x.html

  170. Y26 December 15th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    They are using common sense… the Cameron deal will be there all winter. No reason to jump on it now when there is a chance we get involved in the Tex/Manny sweepstakes.

  171. bru December 15th, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!)
    December 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
    sheets is a no-go now that we have AJ, two very injury prone pitchers back to back is just asking for disaster, we need someone with more stability
    ———————————————————

    it would be scarry with both of them.

    lowe,perez,trade?????

    thoughts.

  172. sweet lou December 15th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    Don’t re-sign Andy or trade for Cameron

    Allocate that $20 million to Teixeria. Let Hughes be the #5 starter and Gardner can be the CF.

  173. bru December 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    outside of arod,cano & 3 years of posada the yankees have no long term contracts excluding pitchers.

    it looks like they wan’t to reshape the whole team starting with pitching to get younger,better defensively.

    damon,matsui,nady gone after 09,jeters contract up in 2 yrs,posada 3 yrs,swishers i think 2 yrs.

    i think in a few years montero will be a monster catcher & ajax our cf with a lot of pitching coming.

  174. george December 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    3 years, 36.5 million – that represents his market value, not the lowballing perception of $8-10 million that the NY media has tried to foster.

    Pettitte is arguably better than Sheets, depending upon how you value durability. etc.

    Asa fan, if Cashman purges Pettitte because of an arbitrarily low offer, and i have a shoe in my hand, Brian had better duck.

  175. Yankee Trader December 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    NY Times reporting Yankees backing away from trading for Cameron for baseball reasons, and do not feel rushed to pick up a 36 yo CF.

    If you want to look at a one year, ‘prove your back’ deal, why not Brad Penny?

    Cardinals had 2nd worse relief staff in NL, behind the Mets. Certainly we could pry Rick Ankiel or preferably Skip Schumaker for our excess of either relief pitchers or minor league pitching.

  176. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 15th, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    i was really high on mark teixaria in the beginning of the offseason, but ive come down to earth

    8 years and $200 mil?? thats a bit too much for me

    if we get teix then wat do we do with swisher? and dont tell me put damon in CF bc thats just crap.

  177. Tom December 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    I saw forget Andy and sign Ben Sheets

  178. Yankee Trader December 15th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    bry-

    “lowe,perez,trade?????

    thoughts.”

    Don’t think they want to tie up 3 years or more for a starter in the 4 hole.
    Therefore trade with incentives for maybe Brad Penny.
    At the time, felt Nationals got a steal getting lefty Scott Olsen

  179. bru December 15th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    go out & trade for a good young cf,we can always put ajax at a corner outfield spot.

  180. Tom December 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    “In talking to some people involved today, I get the feeling the Yankees are backing away from a potential Melky Cabrera-for-Mike Cameron trade with the Milwaukee Brewers, at least for now. There’s a deal the teams could make, and while I’m not sure of the particulars, at this point the Yankees’ main question is baseball-related, not financial.”

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....and-manny/

  181. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 15th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Yanks back in on Tex :)

  182. mel December 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    I can’t believe there are so many hardass people here. Including, you, Pete. You keep saying Andy owes the Yankees. If the Yankees were so hurt by what happened last winter, then why even bring him back?

    The Yankees and Andy don’t owe each other anything. It would be nice, however, if the Yankees didn’t make Andy kowtow for a spot. It’s one year. Come to a compromise.

  183. Edwards December 15th, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Guys… we’re not giving 8/$200 to Teixeria. Not after spending $243 million on pitching already.

    If he comes here at a discount, then maybe. But Boras doesn’t know what the meaning of that word means. Teams like LAA and BOS are MUCH more desperate than we are. Both of them put all their eggs in the Teixeria basket. Teams like BAL and WAS are obsessed with bringing the local kid home and have shown that they are not necessarily fiscally responsible, so they could inflate the market too.

    Manny is MUCH more realistic than Tex, just because his market isin’t there. So we can steal him on a short term deal later in the winter. This isin’t possible with Tex who is in high demand by teams who have made it known that they will go all out for him.

  184. Phil December 15th, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    I think something is up with the Yanks. Could be a trade or it could be once of these big bats.

  185. mel December 15th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    “It was Alex’s mom’s dream that I play in New York. And some very generous guy in San Francisco sent me a 40-ft. container of Moose Bars.”

  186. Tom December 15th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    “Yanks back in on Tex”

    Al, please explain.

  187. MO 42 December 15th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    How did people draw the conclusion that because we’re backing out of the Cameron deal “for now”, that we’re suddenly interested in Teixeria? The article even mentions that the deal will be available all winter and there is no need to rush into it.

    Did we just become interested in Teixeria this evening? Why were we even in on Cameron if we wanted Tex? What do they have to do with eachother?

    Kepner cited baseball reasons anyway, meaning they figured out that paying $10 million to a 36 yr old CF who strikes out 150 times and hits .240 is not worth it. Why they just realized this, I have no idea.

  188. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 15th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    ““Yanks back in on Tex”

    Al, please explain.”

    Not proven but some people in baseball think the Yanks are backing off Cameron and re-evaluating where else they could spend that 10 million and the longer Andy waits the more they consider saving the 10-12 mil going to Andy.

  189. NITRO December 15th, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    I wish we were in on Tex… it is merely wishful thinking though.

    Manny is possible though, but I think when the Dodgers end up giving he 3rd year, he’ll go there.

  190. Lauren December 15th, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    Lets not be disrespectful to a terrific Yankees who participated to bringing championships to our team. Although I didn’t see this coming, one shouldn’t be bashing Pettitte because another team chooses to offer him a contract. He did say, it’s the Yankees for another season or retirement. Lets not get aheading of ourself, no decisions have been made of late. As long as he is not heading to Fenway, I wish him well.

  191. Eric December 15th, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Cameron’s $10 million in the grand scheme of things isin’t much. However, maybe there is legit truth to that rumor that Andy has a 3/$36 offer and the Yankees feel that he will accept that. As a result, they might decide to hold off on Cameron for now and use his money and Andy’s combined, towards a bat.

    It is strange that we’re backing out of the Cameron trade on the same day that Andy got a mysterious 3 year deal.

  192. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 15th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    I wish we could unload Nady and save another 4 million because he is a FA and a Boras client anyway. Sign Tex and move Swisher to RF.

    line-up

    Damon-LF
    Jeter-SS
    Tex-1B
    A-Rod-3B
    Matsui-DH
    Posada-C
    Cano-2B
    Swisher-RF
    Gardner-CF

  193. mel December 15th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Eric,

    No conspiracy. On Friday, Melvin said the Yankees were busy with “other things” when the news of AJ broke and they were trying to close in on Andy.

    It could be nothing more than buyer’s remorse.

    I’m sure the Brewers picked up Cameron’s option with at least the notion of trading him. If they get stuck with him, oh well.

  194. vtred December 15th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Al,

    Nady is likely the one who will get moved if we get Tex.

    He is the easiest to move.

  195. pat December 15th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Scioscia weighs in on Manny and the possibility of him being an Angel. Also Abreu stuff- he’s asking for 3/48.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ls-uniform

  196. george December 15th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    “Lets not be disrespectful to a terrific Yankees who participated to bringing championships to our team”

    yes. If Cashmans screws this up, i Hope Yankee fans don not act as crudely as Red Sox Mob-Nation acted towards Roger Clemens after Dan Duquette screwed that up.

  197. Tom December 15th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    I remember reading this when it came out and it got me pumped:
    “When you look at Cabrera’s body, his established control of the strike zone and his ability to hold his own at a young age, you recognize that all it’s going to take is for him to start elevating the ball. Cabrera may not get there in 2008, but he’s going to pop 80 extra-base hits and slug .500 in a season very soon.”

    http://vault.sportsillustrated...../index.htm

  198. BBFan December 15th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    “The Yankees and Andy don’t owe each other anything. It would be nice, however, if the Yankees didn’t make Andy kowtow for a spot.”

    Aren’t these two statments contradictory?

    Yanks won’t owe Andy any thing just like he does not owe them any thing. Yanks paid him very well last two years, in fact above the market.

    That said, if he indeed has that 3/36mil offer, he should take it. Only thing is he should not say, money is not an issue. Also, there is no reason for him to drag this out. He is a good Yankee, and by dragging out he is losing some of the supporters.

  199. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 15th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    “Al,

    Nady is likely the one who will get moved if we get Tex.

    He is the easiest to move.”

    I agree. Nady will get found-out if he stays in the division this season they already had him out on breaking stuff all of September, he looked VERY uncomfortable at the plate.

  200. Bret the Hitman December 15th, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    There’s nothing like selling low on 23-24 year olds and buying high on 36 year olds. For a minute there I thought the Yankees had lost their way and long since forgotten the salary dump trades of the past. I really hope they revisit this Cameron-Melky trade because I am a history buff.

  201. mel December 15th, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    BBFan,

    Andy got that $32M contract because the Yankees begged Andy to come back and shore up our pitching staff. It worked out for 1.5 years. BooHoo to all the fans who can’t understand that Andy was pitching hurt because Joba had shoulder issues, Wang’s foot was mangled, and everyone besides Moose just plain sucked.

    I’ve also said that Andy should take any offer that benefits him and I won’t begrudge it. It’s very easy to judge Andy, but fans need to put themselves in Andy’s shoes.

    I guess Torre owed the Yankees for not getting the Yankees past the first round these past few seasons and he should’ve taken the $5M offer. Apples and oranges, but I’m sensing a trend here.

  202. BBFan December 15th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    “bru
    December 15th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
    i don’t see the yankees upping pettittes offer.

    they all of a sudden are playing hardball.

    i feel sorry for jeter.

    you wan’t to talk about a pay cut..

    he better put up a great year before his contract.”

    In two years Jeter’s renewal negotiaitons will be worse than Andy’s. It is almost like Cash is setting a precedent with Andy to be tough in negotiations with Jeter. After what happened with Posada, I won’t blame him.

  203. Brandon (SHOW SHEETS THE MONEEEEEY !, CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Don't trade Robi !" December 15th, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    The Yankees owe Andy nothing . There 10 million on the table take it or leave it !

  204. AROD fan December 15th, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    I think this Melkman trade is a rumor. The trades we hear about in advance never happen.

  205. BBFan December 15th, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    “Andy got that $32M contract because the Yankees begged Andy to come back and shore up our pitching staff.”

    First, I do not bash Andy. I think if he gets a beter offer he should take it. It is his right. I also believe that it is good for Yanks as one youngster will get a chance.

    Having said that, I do not agree with your statement. Yankees wanted him, he wanted the money so he came. Both benefited. If money was not the most imporatant thing, he would have stayed with Astros. Also, what he did last year, by cokming back just a couple of days before Mitchell’s report came out and not saying any thing about it to Yanks, that does not speak very well of him.

    Look, we all like our favorite players and Andy is one of them. But making him a saint, well…..He values money much more than many think here and there is nothing wrong with it, it is just a fact.

  206. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! December 15th, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    “If Andy Pettite can get a 3 year, 36 million dollar contract he should take it. 1 year for 10 million is perfectly fair. How would I feel with a 37.5% pay cut? Well if I was grossly overpaid the year before and performed as badly in my job as Pettite did in the 2nd half of the season, I’d feel lucky to have ANY job.”

    Big Daddy, a perfect response. I agree with every word of it.

    If Andy can get a better offer elsewhere let him take it if he doesn’t want to take the Yanks offer of 1 year at 10 mil. It isn’t like the Yankees can’t find someone else to take his place. At worst we could start someone from the minors.

  207. Don December 15th, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Hey, if the guy doesn’t want to be apart of a rotation that features CC, AJ, Wang, and Joba and win a championship for less money but rather go to a dormant team like the Rangers for more money… thats up to him.

    We have given him a very fair offer.

  208. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! December 15th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    You have to remember that baseball players are contract players. Unlike the rest of us who are hired into jobs on a more-or-less permanent basis, players are hired for periods of time and then re-evaluated. Baseball doesn’t owe any player anything. If they don’t perform they disappear – or they get minor league contracts. Why should Andy be any different? He certainly wasn’t brought back to the Yankees to have a 4.5 ERA season. Therefore he didn’t earn the money he was brought back for. Why in hell should he be offered the same money to come back?

  209. Yanks in 2010 December 15th, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Melky Cabrera can be a huge asset for the Yankees…why are we selling low on him?

    BTW, I’m really glad we didnt sell low on Bernie Williams (check out his stats from 1990-1993)

  210. Brandon (SHOW SHEETS THE MONEEEEEY !, CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Don't trade Robi !" December 15th, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Edwar Gonzalez seems to be playing himself onto the Venezuela roster this year. I can’t believe he is still w/ the Yanks and wasn’t picked up through Rule 5. He’s batting

    .345/.373/.564

    http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/.....pid=456598

    Hmmmm….

  211. Jeter God December 15th, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    The fact that he hasn’t immediately jumped at this rumored 3 yr contract shows that it is BS. His agents made it up to gain more leverage.

    Even the Yankees, who are awful at contract negotiations and allow themselves to get scared by these types of things are just laughing at off.

  212. Morris December 15th, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    Andy needs to fire his agent after watching their pathetic attempt to try and get more money out of us. They are just embarrassing him more than anything else.

    Their scare tactics were not very bright. They tried to involve Torre, but apparently forgot to let him in on the secret. Now they have some ‘mystery’ team willing to give him a 3 yr deal, which is lunacy.

  213. mel December 15th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    trisha,

    Please don’t take offense, but if you had an ailment that caused you to perform your job poorly should that be held against you? You should not be asked to come back? Me thinks that most people who work in the public sector would have a wrongful dismissal case there.

    I’m the only one that remembers that Andy was going to be skipped and was surprised to find that he wasn’t? And we never heard anything about it after that? He and Mo suffered in silence, but Mo was able to do his job more effectively because he has a lesser workload?

    I don’t care if Andy comes back or not. If he comes back, it lengthens the rotation without hamstringing us next season. If he doesn’t, then Phil Hughes has a shot at cracking the rotation.

    But I think it’s funny how fans are take it or leave it. I kind of heard that talk not one day before CC said he’d join the Yankees. For a record contract.

  214. Brandon (SHOW SHEETS THE MONEEEEEY !, CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Don't trade Robi !" December 15th, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    I also got to add looks who seems to be getting his control back.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/.....pid=462985

  215. Viva December 15th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Yanks are playing the Tex game fantastically.

    Just think:

    If the Yankees actually made an offer.. Boras would pit the red sox and yanks against each other, it’s the perfect storm for boras.. assume for a minute that the Yankees are seriously interested in Tex, would you be smart enough to put your best poker face on knowing that he wants to be on your team as the first choice? I have no doubt that there are going to be offers out there.. but I doubt Boston is going to go past 6 years 120.. I could be wrong, but if in the end it’s Boston for 6/120 washington for 8/160 .. minutes before the bell is sound… Boras calls the Yanks and says .. Match this offer of 6/120 from the sox ..

    do you think they’ll do it? I know a lot of you think that because Tex is with Boras he will go to the highest bidder.. I wouldn’t bet on that..

    so we will see.. are the Yanks just playing their hand or are they luke-warm with interest with a guy that fits them perfectly?

    Mark my words (pun intended) Tex will be in pinstripes.

  216. CB December 15th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    “We have given him a very fair offer.”

    “We” have given him nothing.

    The Yankees have made him an offer and he’s considering counter offers. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

    Unfortunately this sounds like a situation in which money may be substituting for emotion on both sides.

    The Yankees are clearly ticked at Andy most likely for the Mitchell report and are playing hardball with him in ways they rarely have in the past with other players.

    Andy feels like he probably has already made up to the team by biting the bullet and pitching through pain and is now being penalized for doing so and his agents are now dragging this out and leaking rumors.

    I hope this gets resolved by the longer it drags on the less certain it gets.

    Neither side owes the other anything – he’s a free agent and they are two parties negotiating. But both sides need each other – that’s just in the best business interest of both.

    The yankees need his innings and his short term deal. Andy wants to pitch in the new stadium and finish his career in NY. He’s given no indication he’s interested in some long term deal.

    At this point both sides are being childish or at least myopic. I don’t think either side really cares that much about $2M.

    But both sides seem like they are determined to make the othe capitulate.

    Good things rarely result from that kind of tactic.

    Neither party gets what it so obviously wants.

  217. Nick in SF December 15th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    The Yankees could do worse than Andy — and have!

  218. BBFan December 15th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    “minutes before the bell is sound… Boras calls the Yanks and says .. Match this offer of 6/120 from the sox ..

    do you think they’ll do it?”

    In a heartbeat.
    Yanks will easily go to 7/140mil.

  219. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 15th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    “Mark my words (pun intended) Tex will be in pinstripes.”

    I sure hope so. I think you’re right I can’t imagine Tex going to the Nationals if he has an offer from us at a decent rate.

  220. F 10 December 15th, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    So now we’re making injury excuses for Pettitte?

    EVERY player pitches through injuries. Did you see what Beckett did in game 6 of the ALCS with broken ribs?

    If his injury was that bad, he shouldn’t have pitched, especially since we had nothing to play for after Labor Day.

    Face it… he was awful last year and is not worth $16 million. The Yankees realize this.

  221. S.A.- CC you soon Mr. Sabathia December 15th, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Where is Sir Sidney when you need him?

    Kidding!

  222. mel December 15th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    *The Yankees could do worse than Andy—and have!*

    The day that Livan Hernandez replaces Andy is the day I stop being a Yankee fan! :P

  223. Sevendust December 15th, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    If Andy wants more money

    Then as Michael Kay would say…

    SEEEEEEEEEEE YAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  224. Brandon (SHOW SHEETS THE MONEEEEEY !, CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Don't trade Robi !" December 15th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    “Mark my words (pun intended) Tex will be in pinstripes.”

    Marked and will be proven wrong. :)

  225. Nick in SF December 15th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Note to everyone: posts here are time-stamped and there is no ‘edit’ function.

    Your words have been marked.

  226. BBFan December 15th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    “The day that Livan Hernandez replaces Andy is the day I stop being a Yankee fan!”

    But, can you stay away from this blog :) :) :)

  227. NYY Hunter December 15th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Hughes is better than Andy anyway

  228. mel December 15th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    F10,

    Did you like what Andy did in the first half of the season? Were those numbers good enough for you? If so, multiply those by 2. We had Moose and Andy. And that’s it. If we had nothing to play for as you say, then why are you upset with Andy’s pitching? Even though he won the last game ever in old Yankee Stadium.

    IIRC Beckett got lit up like a Christmas tree in the post season this year. And I enjoyed every homerun he gave up.

  229. mel December 15th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    BBFan,

    I’ll have to join ray and Brian the Red Sox fans!

  230. Soul December 15th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Mussina made $11 million last year. How does Andy deserve $16 million?

  231. S.A.- CC you soon Mr. Sabathia December 15th, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Knicks still in this game. Somehow..
    :shock:

  232. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 15th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    “The day that Livan Hernandez replaces Andy is the day I stop being a Yankee fan!”

    I will be a Mets fan. :(

  233. mel December 15th, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Anyway, I don’t want to argue about Andy. I just appreciate Andy how he battled. I’d like him back for a year, but have no vested interest. Just can’t see the Yankees and the fans quibbling over $2M when the payroll is steamrolling towards $200M again.

    If the Yankees were upset with Andy over the Mitchell Report, they would’ve offered him a contract. They would’ve told him and let him move on with his life.

  234. mel December 15th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    *wouldn’t have offered him a contract.

  235. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 15th, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    “they **wouldn’t have** offered him a contract.”

    correction fixed. :)

  236. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 15th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Mel,

    you noticed the mistake while i was typing my correction. lol

  237. Chris V. December 15th, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    The people here who are ready to throw andy overboard should really take a good hard look at themselves as yankee fans. One of the greatest yankee pitchers of all time and people could care less. It is a sad day to be a yankee fan.

  238. Harper December 15th, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Bottom line -

    If we don’t get Burnett… then the Sox will.

    Imagine having to face Beckett-DiceK-Lester-Burnett?

  239. 56Bomber December 15th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    I believe we are close to getting Burnett. Real close.

  240. Nick in SF December 15th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Mark my words: AJ Burnett will be a Yankee.

  241. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 15th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    you people DID know that Burnett chose us on Friday right? the only thing in the way is the physical and conference.

  242. 56Bomber December 15th, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Your words have been marked.

  243. mel December 15th, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    Sorry, guys. Not a whisper on MLBTR. But I’ll be happy when it happens. Do a little jig. And then we can turn our sights on Teixeira.

  244. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 15th, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    “Mark my words: AJ Burnett will be a Yankee.”

    Yep, sometime this week. :D lol

  245. Nick in SF December 15th, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    So I’ve got that going for me. Which is nice.

  246. Jeet Skeet December 15th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    hey just curious if anyone knows of a ny giants blog thats as active as this one is for the yankees. Dont get me wrong i still read this one everyday but it is football season and i wanna argue with some people about the giants!

  247. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 15th, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Knicks lose to Phoenix. Moral of the story 3 pt. shooting team that can’t make 3 pointers loses.

  248. SamVa December 15th, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    56bomber-
    we have burnett?

  249. S.A.- CC you soon Mr. Sabathia December 15th, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Try the Blue Screen(NY Daily News) or try Garafolo’s Blog with the Star Ledger(nj.com/giants)

    BTW-Congrats on your Cowboys winning yesterday Ed. Though, I still think T.O. is home right now making a Witten and/or Romo voodoo doll. :P

  250. Brandon (SHOW SHEETS THE MONEEEEEY !, CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Don't trade Robi !" December 15th, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    “Knicks lose to Phoenix. Moral of the story 3 pt. shooting team that can’t make 3 pointers loses.”

    Not surprised.

  251. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 15th, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Soul,

    great point re: Mussina vs. Pettitte’s salaries last year.

    There are so many reasons NOT to pay Pettitte $16 million.

    Doesn’t Beckett make like $10?

  252. j xi3 December 15th, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Andy said he wants to stay with the Yanks even for a one year contract. He did not said he’ll take any money the Yanks offer.

    He stir the water to push the Yanks. If the Yanks won’t bite, why on earth does he have to stay with the Yanks?

    Why are fans so hard on him!

  253. AJ YANKS December 15th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Al,

    Knicks will KILL bad teams, and they will lose to good teams. Teams will size will kill them.

    On a good shooting night, they may steal a game against a good team (like we did against Detroit), or on a bad shooting night we’ll lose to bad teams (like we did to Milwaukee).

    Knicks play with heart though, they always compete in every game this year.

  254. kd December 15th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    if cashman can get rid of igawa and betemit, while lowering payroll in a single offseason, then he deserves gm of he year

  255. John December 15th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Second night of a back to back and we go play the Lakers tomorrow.

    We are going to get destroyed.

  256. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 15th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    “Al,

    Knicks will KILL bad teams, and they will lose to good teams. Teams will size will kill them.

    On a good shooting night, they may steal a game against a good team (like we did against Detroit), or on a bad shooting night we’ll lose to bad teams (like we did to Milwaukee).

    Knicks play with heart though, they always compete in every game this year.”

    I agree man. They are actually competing this season for a change. Stoudemire/Shaq was to much for our week inside game.

  257. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 15th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Everyone, the Knicks are arguably the worst team in the NBA.

    But then you all must know this if you’ve followed the past three years.

    If they lure LeBron James, maybe they can break out of this funk.

  258. gabe paul December 15th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    From everything I’ve read – the Yankees plan to have Joba on an innings limit this year. They don’t want him to go pitch more than 150 innings. This all makes sense with the signings of CC and AJ – Joba can slide down to 5th starter – and make 25 starts a year. (figure 6 innings max)

    My question is – what happens if the Yanks make the post-season? Do you hold Joba back at the end of the year so he can pitch in October? Do you just use him out of the bullpen in the post-season an inning at a time? (if he already is at 150) Do you keep him off the post-season roster if he has already pitched 150 innings?

    Obviously you have to worry about getting to the post-season- so if it’s a dog fight you need Joba to pitch all year and you might not have the luxury of “skipping” Joba’s turn to save him for the playoffs….

    And of course all this is contingent on Joba staying healthy all year. Thoughts?

  259. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 15th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    “Second night of a back to back and we go play the Lakers tomorrow.

    We are going to get destroyed.”

    I can deal with 2-3 on this road-trip plus we were robbed in Chicago.

  260. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! December 15th, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    mel, sorry. The only thing that trumps Yankee talk is talking to my two-year-old niece (who is up quite late!) ;)

    Okay, in the public sector jobs are set and people apply for them. In baseball the skill set of the individual player sets the market. Two entirely different scenarios. If a player is hurt and is up there in age, why in heck should he command a certain salary? Because his name is Andy Pettitte? This is a business, not a charity.

    Sorry but I didn’t want Andy back at all. We had this same discussion many times during the season. For me there’s too much water under the bridge with Pettitte. So I think he’s lucky to get any kind of offer.

    Will I understand if he bails from the Yankees for more money? Sure, why not? He’d be crazy not to. My position is that if he wants to come back for a year, he does it at the money he was offered. I could understand people being a bit indignant if he had an awesome season and the Yankees were attempting to short him – the way they did with Jeff Nelson. But that is hardly the case.

  261. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 15th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    SA,

    I’m pretty sure T.O and Jones are absolutely gone when the season ends. Jerry Jones is tired of their crap, especially Pac-Man. :x

  262. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 15th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    “Everyone, the Knicks are arguably the worst team in the NBA.

    But then you all must know this if you’ve followed the past three years.

    If they lure LeBron James, maybe they can break out of this funk.”

    Madprince- I disagree. Yes they have the worst image in the league, however they are a mediocre team on the court as of now. They are certainly not a good team but I can’t take that statement when teams like the Thunder and Grizzlies are around.

  263. Indy DET December 15th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    I want Tex badly

  264. Jobatheheat December 15th, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Off the topic but what do you think it would take to get Hunter Pence from Astros. Hes not a superstar but has great potential. We know they need pitching and they have no money. I think we could pull off this deal with out having to give up much. Maybee Nady,IPK and some prospects. What do you think it would take to get this done. How would you feel about it if it happened.

  265. mel December 15th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    trisha,

    Sorry to have misunderstood you. You simply don’t want Andy back at all because it’s water under the bridge. You did muddy the waters a bit with talk of performance and money.

    We may have discussed Andy before, but I don’t recall doing so because, really, anything you said was eclipsed by your thoughts on Moose. ;)

  266. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 15th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    “I want Tex badly”

    Patience. At some point we will get involved Tex is a Boras client so he won’t sign til possibly Jan.

  267. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 15th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    Jobatheheat,

    Pence would cost alot, and most likely it would start with Melancon and it goes from there. I seriously think Pence looks like Roger Maris.

  268. Aaron December 15th, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    Ed, Jerry Jones loves the attention, are you kidding me?

  269. mel December 15th, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    Aaron,

    Haha. Jerry Jones said as much today. He said that’s why the beat writers have offices at the compound. Quote, “We love the attention”.

  270. Aaron December 15th, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    I hate that guy, I really do. Dallas is a discrace to sports.

  271. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! December 16th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    mel, right I don’t want Andy back at all and I didn’t want Andy back at all, but if the Yankees want Andy back I feel that based on what he did NOT do last season, it is extremely reasonable for the Yankees to make the offer they did. If he doesn’t accept it, so be it. I discussed money and performance in light of the reality of what Pettitte has become as a pitcher and because the discussion here is about whether Pettitte should or should not accept the Yankees offer, being insulted by the Yankees offer, accept another offer elsewhere, etc.

    It is rather pointless to discuss his not coming back at all in light of the fact that an offer has been made. So then the next level of discussion is the offer that’s been made and whether or not (according to the individual fan, who of course means nothing in the scheme of things anyway) the offer appears adequate.

    As I said, it’s a business not a charity.

  272. Aaron December 16th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    Trisha, who do you want to replace Andy then???

  273. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 16th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Hunter Pence? .318 OBP houston can keep him I’ll keep Melancon.

  274. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! December 16th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Aaron, anyone but Derek Lowe.

  275. mel December 16th, 2008 at 12:08 am

    trisha,

    That’s right. It is a business. And it’s smart business to bring back a pitcher like Andy for a year. Whether it’s $6M, $10M, $12M, or even $16M. Because it’s only for a year. He lenghthens the rotation, can serve as a stopgap, and is an innings eater. Just like it’d be a smart businesss decision to bring back Moose, but he has chosen to retire.

    Smart businesses would rather overpay Andy for 1 year rather than overpay Lowe for 4.

    $12M is just about perfect and anything less is punitive and petty by the Yankees. Anyone who thinks this is about payroll is nutz.

  276. Indy DET December 16th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    CC, AJ, AND SHEETS would be the best rotation in the history of baseball… if healthy

  277. t-rock December 16th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Dick Jarron got a contract extension after the way he managed that game yesterday and in a year where the team collapsed?

    That may rival James Dolan giving Isiah a 4 yr contract extension when the Knicks were 30-36 in late March

  278. Aaron December 16th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    we need another bat.

  279. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY!" December 16th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    “CC, AJ, AND SHEETS would be the best rotation in the history of baseball… if healthy”

    Absolutely.

    mel, I trust the knowledge and abilities of the Yankee organization to know what is right looking at the totality of the circumstances (and factoring in whatever they think is relevant…)

    So I will trust their offer to be the right one and a fair one.

  280. vinny-b (bring back Petitte) December 16th, 2008 at 12:13 am

    “Hunter Pence? .318 OBP houston can keep him”

    wow. Is that what he put up? Pence had such a great rookie year.

  281. mel December 16th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    trisha,

    I don’t trust the Yankees at all. Not after outbidding ourselves for Alex and CC. And we wonder why we overpay and smart teams like Boston get players to take discounts. :)

    Anyhoo, I get your drift. Anybody but Pettitte or Lowe. I can respect that.

  282. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY!" December 16th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    ‘Tis the season to be – tired!

    Good night from the east coast.

  283. AP December 16th, 2008 at 12:19 am

    We haven’t even had our first snowfall yet

  284. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 16th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    “wow. Is that what he put up? Pence had such a great rookie year.”

    its just his sophomore season. sophomores always do bad in their 2nd full season in the major leagues.

  285. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY!" December 16th, 2008 at 12:21 am

    mel, I definitely trust Brian Cashman to know what he’s doing and I certainly trust that he has better insights than we do. That’s why I am always willing to check myself against what the organization’s decisions. If I don’t want it, and they do, I know they are on to something I have missed.

    No matter how savvy the poster, I will always defer to the minds of the organization.

    People love to point to Yankee “mistakes”. However, they only become mistakes if they do – the organization can put the players on the field, but they players are the ones who have to produce. Seldom is a Yankee problem the result of poor scouting!

  286. Jerzz December 16th, 2008 at 12:22 am

    mel,

    The Yankees are NOT a smart organization… I think they have proved that by now. But they are rich. And in a sport like baseball with no salary cap, it allows us to do mindless things and take minimum hits when things don’t work out.

    In any other sport, we would be the Knicks (before this year of course :))

  287. aardvark December 16th, 2008 at 12:23 am

    noston is going to be a scary team next year

  288. mel December 16th, 2008 at 12:24 am

    trisha,

    I should’ve said that I don’t trust the Yankees when it comes to money.

    I’m 100% behind the product they put on the field. If it doesn’t work, it’s the players’ fault!

  289. TeKNetiCK December 16th, 2008 at 12:24 am

    Overpaying by $60 million for CC and low-balling the loyal Yankee Andy wh pitched injured last year…

    Just another day at the office for Brian Cashman.

  290. mel December 16th, 2008 at 12:25 am

    aardvark,

    Care to explain? We know you can’t wait to talk about those Boston players!

  291. bomber 99 December 16th, 2008 at 12:26 am

    um…

    Did people ever think that maybe Cashman backed out of the deal because he realized that Cameron sucks?

  292. Nick in SF December 16th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    ““CC, AJ, AND SHEETS would be the best rotation in the history of baseball”

    Thank you Dr. James Andrews!

  293. Nick in SF December 16th, 2008 at 12:30 am

    “Trust” is not just an Elvis Costello album:

    http://cache.daylife.com/image.....K/610x.jpg

  294. Drain003 December 16th, 2008 at 12:30 am

    At least the Yankees were smart enough to nab AJ Burnett.

    That is the good move they made this winter. We got him at a fair price too considering our offer was the same as Atlanta. The players wanted him badly as well.

    I was afraid we would miss out on Tex AND AJ, but atleast we have one in our grasp.

  295. mel December 16th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    Nick,

    Where the heck were you? Just shoot me next time.

    What are you bets for the bowls?

  296. 7 UP December 16th, 2008 at 12:33 am

    The Yankees should have a contest, some trivia game involving the fans…. and the winner gets to spend a night in South Beach with Hank.

  297. Nick in SF December 16th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    What did I do???

    I don’t have any bets for the bowls yet, still a few days to go before getting into that.

    You know who loves dirty water? Red Sox fans!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5apEctKwiD8

  298. mel December 16th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    I bet we overpay for Dr. Andrews’ services as well.

  299. mel December 16th, 2008 at 12:39 am

    You just sat there and said nothing! j/k

    Now I know why Alex hooked up with Madonna. $550M from baseball wasn’t enough. He wants a piece of Madonna’s American Pie. She’s paying Richie over $90M.

  300. Nick in SF December 16th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    Not only that, we have to cut Tommy John a residual check every time someone gets a TJ surgery.

  301. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 16th, 2008 at 12:40 am

    “the winner gets to spend a night in South Beach with Hank.”

    So basically a night at the track smoking 2 packs behind the starting gate ;)

  302. Buddy Biancalana December 16th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    mel-

    You sure can joust with the best of ‘em. Though some of them just ain’t worth it.

  303. George December 16th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Dr. Andrews – “Ok, we can repair his shoulder for $750K”

    Cashman – “You sure? What about if I give you $2 million?

    Dr. Andrews – “No, it’s ok, we have a fixed price”

    Cashman – “No, No. James, I really need this surgery, what about $4 million?”

    Dr. Andrews – “Well… I do perform some procedures in West Coast clinics…”

    Cashman – “Ok, $10 million if you can do your surgery in the original Alabama surgery center,.”

    Dr. Andrews – “But Brian, it only costs $750K for the full proced…”

    Cashman – “Ok, ok. $20 million. But I can only offer you more if you don’t want to be here….”

  304. Nick in SF December 16th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    “the winner gets to spend a night in South Beach with Hank.”

    Runner-up gets two nights with Hank?

  305. Nick in SF December 16th, 2008 at 12:48 am

    (mel, I wasn’t here for your discussion, but I’m trying to tilt at fewer windmills during the holiday – I’ll warm up more when pitchers and catchers report)

  306. mel December 16th, 2008 at 12:51 am

    Buddy,

    Nice medieval reference. Rebecca would definitely give it a thumbs up.

    George,

    That was hilarious. I can picture it now, “The Yankee Wing”.

  307. pat December 16th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    mel

    You need to let Alex and CC’s contracts go. :smile:

    In the long run, overpaying Alex and CC is probably a better deal than having ever paid Pavano and Igawa. That’s almost $90 million that produced what? Big contracts don’t hurt as much as bad contracts.

  308. jack December 16th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    I hope Cashman overpays those who are less fortunate than him like the team bus drive or the team chef

  309. mel December 16th, 2008 at 1:01 am

    pat,

    You’re right. But it’s the *principle* of the thing. Pavano was an unforseen natural disaster and Igawa didn’t pan out in the Bronx. (that’s why I giggle at the Red Sox signing Tazawa. Igawa at least had success in the pros in Japan). CC was made better by the opt-out and Alex. Well, I still miss that Texas money. I bet Hal misses it, too. :)

  310. yankeefan91 (sign manny) December 16th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    “noston is going to be a scary team next year”

    never heard of that team b4

  311. Forntoso December 16th, 2008 at 1:03 am

    Gardner mashed the ball when he came up the 2nd time. It just sides with what he has done his entire career… struggles initially, then adjusts.

    Garnder will provide a HUGE spark for us next year and make many great catches behind CC and AJ

  312. pat December 16th, 2008 at 1:11 am

    mel

    The Texas money! Now you’re just getting greedy.

    With the Texas money for the first 4 years of the deal, the argument could be made the Yankees were underpaying Alex. The Yanks were paying him less than Giambi, Jeter, Pettitte, Clemens for 1 year and Mussina for 3 years. He was even getting less that what Andy wants now. :smile:

  313. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 16th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Forntoso- I agree. I really hope that is the case with Gardner in 09. If he could get 300 AB’s with a .350 OBP he would have 50 steals.

  314. mel December 16th, 2008 at 1:16 am

    pat,

    Greedy? No! Smart business. :)

    Just reading a nice article about CC. Of course I had to navigate away from the Post to find it. There’s kind of a tall tale about a homerun CC hit at an alumni game.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....tml?page=2

    I wonder if CC’s high school coaches knew then that he’d win the Warren Spahn award, not once, but twice!

  315. 7 UP December 16th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Spring Training can’t come here soon enough… I haven’t been this excited for opening day in a long time.

  316. Nick in SF December 16th, 2008 at 1:27 am

    Not just twice, but back-to-back. He has a call in to Pat Riley to request a waiver to three-peat.

  317. Buddy Biancalana December 16th, 2008 at 1:30 am

    & belly to belly.

  318. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 16th, 2008 at 1:35 am

    7-up- I hear ya. Pitchers and catchers is gonna be even more intriguing this year with the CC buzz, AJ staying healthy, and Jorge’s rehab etc.

  319. pat December 16th, 2008 at 1:35 am

    mel

    Warren Spahn award- No. Hank Aaron award- Yes. He likes to hit ya’ know. Eucalyptus trees don’t lie.

    The News will turn on him too at some point. Just consider it a welcome to NY moment. One of the writers had a story this weekend on headlines to look forward to with CC. The one I remember is in 2 years his opt out will be known as the CC Rider.

  320. GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    Upstate
    December 15th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
    …To compare Andy …..

    Is there a website that can sort stats to the point that it can spit-out data showing:

    Side-by-Side numbers for the ML pitcher that is “MOST SIMILIAR” to Andy in 2008 & 2007 ???

    ————————————————————

    Yes. Warren Spahn and Mike Mussina.

  321. dave December 16th, 2008 at 2:50 am

    Cant say im too broken up over the cameron deal being put on hold. The last thing we need is another player in the starting lineup going into his late 30s and more importantly, going into a decline in the numbers. i THINK we have the veteran presence covered in the lineup as is. We dont need a centerfielder who bring a slight upgrade offensively to brett gardner for 10 million dollars or more if we had to pay some of igawa’s contract. That is the equivalent to a salary dump for the brewers except the player is not all that good of a fit – yea, he will steal 15 bases or so and hit 15 homers but he will also have an obp under 340 – he will be one of the league leaders in strikeouts and he will take as many pitches as cano did last season. Not exactly what we need right now – we need a three or four hitter that can play first or center. Perhaps, there is a worthwhile centerfielder on the trade market for us and perhaps not. Only time will tell. But the longer cash wants to sign another bat and the longer pettitte thinks about that 10 mil, the more and more it looks like a decent bat may be coming our way. I not saying teixera but dunn would be nice. Tex would be even nicer. We still have the payroll right now to not resign pettitte, start coke/aceves as the fifth starter with hughes jumping in when he is ready and sign Tex. It isnt out of the rhealm of possibility for 20 mil. And tex is the absolute epitomy of what we need right now – he gives us superb defense at first, he is young and he is the perfect bat behind arod. And our payroll wouldnt even be that high.

    Lineup: Damon, Jeter, Arod, Tex, Matsui, Posada, Swisher, Nady, Cano
    Rotation: CC, wang, Burnett, Joba, Aceves

    Does that not make your mouth water? That would be a nasty team – easily capable of winning 100 games. Not to mention, it could be around last years payroll and if you check out the avg age of this team – we went down a couple of years. If we want to start gardner in center over swish, he would make our bench that much deeper or swish and nady can platoon. With that lineup, that rotation and last years bullpen – we wouldnt be staring up from third place for the next couple of years atleast. The infield defense would also be pretty solid behind wang.

  322. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 16th, 2008 at 3:22 am

    Dave- Good ideas man. I’m all for Tex, and I think if Gardner could figure out a way to get on base he could be a force for us.

  323. Al from BK( Is it Spring yet?) December 16th, 2008 at 3:24 am

    **http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/12/15/2008-12-15_yankees_ready_to_introduce_cc_sabathia_t.html**

    Just for anyone interested that article is about CC’s Thursday press conference and there is a pic of CC in NY.

  324. dave December 16th, 2008 at 3:34 am

    It should also be noted that right now bobby abreu and jason giambi have 2 of the best on base percentages in the sport as bobby ranks 10th active and 47th all time. Giambi, despite all his bumps in NY is still 7th all time and both of them consistenly gave us obps around 370 or higher. Ironically, manny is sixth all time. and has led the league in obp thre times finishing in the top 6 every year since 1999. Teixeira is no slouch himself finishing over 400 the least two seasons despite playing for 3 different teams and being in both leagues. tEX ranks 24th on the active list but he is in his prime and he is climbing – he had never had an obp of 400 before 2007 and now he has done it twice in a row. This is why its so worth signing someone in their prime as he is only 28 and the same age as CC. Tex is perfectly capable of leading the AL in slugging percentage next year getting well over 300 total bases in the process. He could easily drive in 140 rbis and score around that many runs. He can hit 40 homers and 40 doubles but you know why i want him the most. His patience at the plate. hE had 97 walks last year – that would have been good for fourth in the al . He also finished the year with an offenseive winning percentage of 732 finishing seventh in all of baseball above arod and second in the AL.

  325. ReleaseTheHounds December 16th, 2008 at 3:38 am

    i just dont think the yanks want to give tex 8 years and at least 160 mill…he is 29 years old as well. the deal may end up being 9 years at this rate…that is a long time.

    not to mention tex is a slow starter…and we all know how some of the fans react to slow starters with big contracts.

    it would be nice to add a big bat, but really, if, and hopefully this isnt a big if, cano bounces back, matsui and posada are healthy, the line up is deep and more than fine.

    the only real piece that makes sense that is available for the middle of the line up is rick ankiel. other than that, i dont see a realistic choice. the yanks arent about to spend even more money on tex…even they have limits.

  326. GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2008 at 4:01 am

    dave
    December 16th, 2008 at 2:50 am
    That is the equivalent to a salary dump for the brewers except the player is not all that good of a fit – yea, he will steal 15 bases or so and hit 15 homers but he will also have an obp under 340 – he will be one of the league leaders in strikeouts and he will take as many pitches as cano did last season. Not exactly what we need right now – we need a three or four hitter that can play first or center. .

    ————————————————————

    Nothing like trying to make a point using bogus numbers, is there. Cameron was 10th in baseball in seeing the number of pitches per at bat for qualifying players(enough at plate appearances to qualify for batting title). As far as Cano seeing as many…hardly even in 40 more gmes, he didn’t see as many pitches. By the way….neither did Mark Teixeira, David Ortiz, Vladimir Guerrero or Manny Ramirez. Cameron still steals bases at a very good succes rate. How many Yankees stole more than 17 bases in 120 games? 3, and one is gone. OBP is a litte low, but, nothing wrong with a .377 SLG Pct for a center fielder. Again, stop using bogus numbers.

  327. GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2008 at 4:05 am

    Correction: nothing wrong with a *** .477 SLG Pct*** for a center fielder.

  328. no.27 December 16th, 2008 at 5:08 am

    Anybody read this article on SI.com about the decision to sign Burnett? Corcoran basically says that giving a 31 year old injury prone pitcher a 5 year contract doesn’t make sense considering the pitchers the Yankees had on the roster (in the majors AND minors) at the time and the free agent pitchers still available.

    He says that’s not the only bad bet the Yankees are making if they think the guys in the lineup will be able to pick up the slack left by Abreu and Giambi. Jeter and Damon will all be 35 next year, Matsui, 35, and Posada, 37, are coming off of injury shortened seasons, and Nady will probably come back down to earth. Cano and Swisher have the best chances of improving next season, but they won’t be able to do it on their own.

    He says that he would have focused on Teixeira or another bat after signing Sabathia and then seen how the pitching market shook out for back end starters like Pettitte, Sheets, Looper, and maybe Perez.

    I think he makes some sense. People argue that Teixeira is a much bigger commitment than Burnett, but it would only be around $18 million more over the life of Burnett’s contract and if anyone thinks the Yankees won’t be giving out big money to a free agent slugger soon, they are fooling themselves.

  329. Brandon (SHOW SHEETS THE MONEEEEEY !, CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Don't trade Robi !" December 16th, 2008 at 6:06 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....hia_t.html

    Just for anyone interested that article is about CC’s Thursday press conference and there is a pic of CC in NY.”

    My early Christmas present ! :D

  330. no.27 December 16th, 2008 at 6:21 am

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ml?eref=T1

  331. bru December 16th, 2008 at 7:13 am

    what the yankees should do with pettitte is give him a 1 yr/12 million wich equalls the aav of the 3/36.

    now if he refuses he looks bad.

  332. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 16th, 2008 at 7:33 am

    i agree bru. im not really convinced that anybody made that 3/36 offer to andy, but lets just play the game and offer him 12 and get over it. we need a 1 year deal for a #4 guy, and andy fits the bill perfectly.

    git er done cash!

  333. bru December 16th, 2008 at 7:40 am

    we should trade for a cf.

    we can always move ajax to a corner of spot if needed.

    why not trade nady/swisher & whoever else for a cf & sign nick johnson.

    he has a great obp & they say he will be ready by st.

    5.5 million salary i believe.

    this will fix cf,better at fb & better obp.

  334. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY!" December 16th, 2008 at 7:55 am

    Anyone know if the press conference is going to be televised?

  335. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 16th, 2008 at 8:05 am

    bru, buddy, just when i was agreeing with u…..
    nick johnson has played missed 38% of his teams gaves over the past 5 years. this is an abysmal injury record for a first baseman. the guy just cannot stay on the field. now they say he ‘should be’ ready for ST? montreal/dc have been waiting for nick johnson since they got him from the yankees and they’re still waiting.

    i liki the guy and if we could sign him as a bench bat for low $’s id be for it but as soon as you start depending on nick johnson to be able to play and contribute daily, you’re asking for disaster.

  336. Tom December 16th, 2008 at 8:07 am

    This may be the best line of the offseason:

    “one longtime observer of Farnsworth said: “The good news is it’ll reduce wear and tear on Joakim Soria’s arm. Because now, he will never, ever be given a lead.”

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  337. Andrea December 16th, 2008 at 8:07 am

    If the Yankees could get rid of Kei Igawa, I’d be super pumped.

  338. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 16th, 2008 at 8:09 am

    if you’ want a LH bat, a guy who could dh and maybe fill in at 1B occasionally, a high obp guy and a guy who would fit into the clubhouse well, offer andy’s $10M to giambi. i think he’d take it.

  339. gayle December 16th, 2008 at 8:11 am

    I am sure they will televise the presser on YES live

  340. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY!" December 16th, 2008 at 8:23 am

    Thanks Gayle. I’ll check during the day in case MLB tv decides to televise it, though I’m not sure they would. If it’s on YES I’ll make a point to come home and set up the VCR. I’ll just have to keep checking to see when they’re going to do it.

  341. Brian December 16th, 2008 at 8:24 am

    Sign Teixeira and Sheets. Say goodbye to Pettitte. Let Joba keep his 8th inning job. The rotation is Sabathia, Wang, Burnett, Sheets, Hughes. With Tex at 1st, we can use Swisher in CF, Damon in LF, Nady in RF and Matsui at DH (until he gets hurt again).

    Who is our 8th inning guy right now? Any word on Mark Melancon taking the job?

  342. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 16th, 2008 at 8:29 am

    set the vcr? is that beta or vhs? i thought they went the way of the typewriter and phone booth. you do know that you can set a tivo to record a show from your office computer dont u?

  343. ham fighters Save Us GODZILLA!!!!! December 16th, 2008 at 8:30 am

    or from your cel phone….you do have a cel phone dont u?

  344. john_halfz December 16th, 2008 at 8:38 am

    Funny how the same people who moan about Burnett’s injury history seem to be willing to ignore Pettite’s. Going into last year, the decision to pitch was putatively difficult on the basis that his elbow had undergone tremendous stress.

    Sure enough, throw him in for a full season and he pitches very poorly for the last two months of the season. Going into his age 37 year, with WHIPS above 1.40 the last 3 seasons, there’s no reason to expect improvement. Sure, he won’t be as bad as the pitcher who allowed 24 runs in his final 33.2 IP.

    But there’s a consideration that goes beyond whether he’s league average. You have an innings cap on Chamberlain and Hughes. Andy’s thrown over 850 IP the last 4 years. His arm is not in good condition.

    Meanwhile, the guy cheated, which you can take or leave. His claims of short duration are nonsense. I wouldn’t say that about anyone else, unless he trained with Clemens.

    So Andy has assumed this beatific status while Manny is like the John Wayne Gacy of MLB? And for all those great playoff starts, is it like we forget the 2001 World Series…or 2002 against Anaheim…or the 1999 World Series…or the 1997 ALDS…or even the 1996 World Series (you know, maybe that comeback wouldn’t have been so dramatic or necessary if Pettitte hadn’t followed Key’s outing with a 38-1 loss).

    The point isn’t that Andy’s a bad postseason pitcher. It’s that he’s the same pitcher in the postseason as he is in the regs. Kind of like Derek “Clutch” Jeter, he’s built a name on the basis of a few games when the overall opus is just decent.

    David Wells was a much more impressive postseason pitcher. David Cone had a rough outing one postseason, but he was better. El Duque was much better. Jimmy Key was better.

    So, fine, keep HGH. But let’s not pretend it’s an injustice to Yankeedom if he takes an offer that falls short of the Yankees’ platinum standards.

  345. VIGGY December 16th, 2008 at 8:41 am

    Great job cashman!!!
    2 more move for me and you can order the rings
    1. Sign Manny
    2. Trade Nady, coke, Kennedy, for Bobby Jenks as set up man (future closer)

  346. JOJO December 16th, 2008 at 8:46 am

    To the so-called Yankee fans who are moaning and groaning about CC & Burnett not being this and not being that, allow me to give you some perspective:

    The World Champion Philadelphia Phillies just re-signed 46 yr old Jamie Moyer to a 2 YEAR CONTRACT and they also signed Chan Ho Park!

    That’s why you take “chances” on premium top of the rotation type starters. There isn’t a lot of good pitching out there.

  347. Gary December 16th, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Just saying . . . . .

    No more quibbling over uniform numbers. (IF) Teixeira is signed he gets No. 25 which he’s been wearing.
    Phil Hughes like a “5″ on his uniform. Give him No. 35 and if he has near the career that Mussina had then he deserved it.

  348. JOJO December 16th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    “Trade Nady, coke, Kennedy, for Bobby Jenks as set up man (future closer)”

    No Way!!! Nady is a starting corner out-fielder. You don’t trade those for middle relievers. And Coke & Kennedy still show promise. Calm down people. When we need a closer there will be one available. But you don’t trade three players for a set-up guy. That’s a horrible trade proposal!!! What if Jenks can’t handle the NY pressure. Then What? This winter if we needed a closer/set-up man we could have signed K-Rod, Fuentes, Putz, Wood, or Hoffman without giving up anybody. Why would we give up 3 players, all with upside, for Jenks?!?!?!

  349. jennifer December 16th, 2008 at 8:57 am

    Laura – With this pitching staff, how can we lose?
    December 15th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
    “Maybe Andy will show up and throw his shoes at Cashman?”

    I have a feeling that his aim will be better than the guy who was aiming at the President.

    Seriously? If the Pres didn’t duck it was aimed right at his head.

  350. Joe from Long Island December 16th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    I’m just now looking over the posts from last night, and find I’m agreeing with CB about the state of the negotiations between Andy and the Yanks.

    I’ve long thought that there was something else at play here besides the business aspect. If it were just the business, this would have been done long ago. The Yanks have a need for a vet pitcher on a one-year contract, to hold a spot for Phil Hughes next year; and Andy wants to pitch one more year, especially in the new Stadium.

    Why it hasn’t been done yet, I suspect, relates exactly to what frequently holds up seemingly straightforward deals – emotions, and non-business reasons.

    And who knows, maybe this is being driven by ownership. Maybe Hal and Hank are the ones playing hardball here, not so much over the 2M or whatever, but over a sense of betrayal over being misled by Andy re: the Mitchell report and his admission after he signed the contract.

    I hope it gets done, because I think it’s in everybody’s interest – the Yanks, Andy, and the fans, like me.

  351. GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2008 at 9:00 am

    I’d prefer Pettitte over taking a chance with Sheets. That is asking for problems and putting NYY back in the same situation as last year. Trying to fill 3 rotation slots with inexperienced pitchers. The only problems Pettitte has had in 4 years are two spring training hamstring pulls and last year’s late season tired shoulder. Zero arm or elbow problems.

  352. Fredo Corleone December 16th, 2008 at 9:01 am

    “Seriously? If the Pres didn’t duck it was aimed right at his head.”

    True. I found the Prez’s mobility pretty impressive. Certainly moreso than the Secret Service guys who must have been in the backroom playing pinochle.

  353. TurnTwo December 16th, 2008 at 9:04 am

    i think people are reading too much into Pettitte’s non-signing yet.

    Cashman is weighing the pros and cons of Pettitte’s presence in the rotation now that he has both of the pitchers he targeted to start the offseason.

    now, does he need to spend the $10 million on another vet, or can he either save that money on the payroll or allocate that elsewhere where he’ll get more bang for the buck.

    thats all.

    i dont think they care at all about the Mitchell stuff.

    do they think Pettitte is worth $10 million, let alone $12-16 million, on the payroll?

    i dont think they do.

  354. John Buccigross December 16th, 2008 at 9:04 am

    Phil Kessel
    December 15th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
    Has anyone seen my other testicle???

    ————————————–

    glrglrglrlgrlgl
    (spits)
    Sorry about that, my mouth was full.

  355. GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2008 at 9:08 am

    If you people honestly believe the Yanks didn’t know about Pettitte in 2002, you are extremely naive.

  356. jennifer December 16th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    Fredo Corleone

    I can’t believe how long it took them to get to him! I think they said it was a good 10 seconds. Enough time for someone to do serious damage.

    I also couldn’t believe how quickly the pres got out of the way.

  357. pat December 16th, 2008 at 9:12 am

    How to know you are spending to much time on the Lohud Yankee Blog:

    You see the headline “Mel believes Putz can succeed here” in the NY Daily News and Stottlemyre isn’t the mel you think they are talking about. :smile:

  358. GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    jennifer
    December 16th, 2008 at 9:10 am
    Fredo Corleone

    I can’t believe how long it took them to get to him! I think they said it was a good 10 seconds. Enough time for someone to do serious damage.

    I also couldn’t believe how quickly the pres got out of the way.

    ————————————————————

    Otherthan the press/media from the two countries, nobody could have gotten with 2 blocks of that building, and the only cameras set up were done by the military security forces of the US, and they were also the only armed personnel in the room other than the Secret Service.

  359. just sayin.... December 16th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    “I can’t believe how long it took them to get to him! I think they said it was a good 10 seconds. Enough time for someone to do serious damage. ”

    i think W is getting the 2nd string secret service team now. you know saving the president (or in fact saving the U.S. from President Cheney!) is a prospect with diminishing returns at this point.

  360. Viva December 16th, 2008 at 9:23 am

    Manny:

    I would only want Manny as our very last option. I respect his clutch hitting no doubt, but his antics aren’t worth the trouble… this team needs synergy not another self-serving star.

    Aside from that, if Manny comes with his furry dreadlocks.. next thing you know our team starts looking like the troglodytes in Boston..

    Can you picture Arod playing the part as a caveman in the Geiko commercial?

  361. Jeremy December 16th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    From a previous thread:

    bodhisattva,

    “I hear you, Jeremy, but this isn’t Bobby Abreu. This is the one player where the reward is too great to worry about defense.”

    You’re right that Manny is no Abreu. Manny is a much better hitter, a WORSE fielder, and a much more expensive player who might command more years on his contract than Abreu. The question is whether those factors all balance out in the Yankees’ favor. I think they don’t. At a certain point, a player’s defense can become so bad that it eats up much of the value of his offense. I think Manny has reached that point.

    If Manny would sign for a reasonable salary to be our full-time DH, then he would be a no-brainer signing, assuming we could trade Matsui somehow. But that will never happen.

    “Would you not want Wayne Gretzky on the chance that he might not always backcheck? This is Manny Ramirez! Perhaps because his greatness often came at our expense, people are in some kind of denial, and it’s making people’s baseball acumen seriously come into question.

    And I’d never play him in LF – I’d stash him in right, where he doesn’t have as much ground to cover.”

    Funny that you talk about others’ denial and then say Manny can pay RF :) As others have said, Manny has no arm and can’t play RF. He is strictly LF/DH material. If he had the ability to play both corner OF spots adequately, I might actually be in favor of signing him.

    Plus, the “We have to sign him, he’s [Famous Player X]” mentality has been a major problem for the Yankees over the years because it has led to overpaying famous players who are past their prime. The only way the Yankees can avoid wasting huge amounts of money on overpaid FAs is to be as objective as possible when it comes to big name players. Eventually, even Gretzky isn’t worth Gretzky money.

    Yes, Manny is still a tremendous hitter. But he’s also an atrocious fielder who is 36 and would command a massive contract over at least three years. We already have an old team that was crippled by injuries last year and desperately needs versatility. Objectively, is Manny a good $90 million investment for the Yankees in light of their current needs? Based on all these factors, I say no.

  362. Y's Guy December 16th, 2008 at 9:28 am

    all this manny noise! cash would never let it happen. to me its a non-issue.

  363. your cousins from jersey December 16th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    take the $10M/1yr offer sheet andy doesnt want, scratch out his name and write BIG G in there and call jason in.

  364. Buddy Biancalana December 16th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    pat-

    Great line, really funny!

  365. YankeeRay December 16th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    pat
    December 16th, 2008 at 9:12 am
    How to know you are spending to much time on the Lohud Yankee Blog:

    You see the headline “Mel believes Putz can succeed here” in the NY Daily News and Stottlemyre isn’t the mel you think they are talking about.

    Great line Pat. On putz, I read where he is not happy about being a set up man. His club option for 2010 is over 9mm and the Mets would be hard pressed to pick that up for a set up man. He will probably be a 1 yr guy for the Mets.

  366. Dion James Can Still Play (NO JAMES CAMERON TITANIC DISASTER) December 16th, 2008 at 9:54 am

    While I can appreciate what Corcoran writes in his article about the Burnett signing (high risk, “spoils the broth” on the smart CC signing) I was very happy to see that both Bill James projects Burnett making 33 starts and pitching 224 innings.

    Oh please let it be true.

  367. GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Now tht Furcal has agreed to return to the Braves to play shortstop, maybe the idotic cries for bringing in Furcal to play 2nd base for the NYY wll stop. Of course, it’ll only restart the equally idiotic thoughts of bringing in Orlando Hudson to play center field or 2nd base. For those not paying attention, nobody has even bothered to offer him a contract. There’s a reason for that.

  368. Patrick December 16th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Jeremy,

    Actually, Abreu was a worse fielder than Manny was last year. In fact, Manny was an above average LF after he was traded to the Dodgers. Manny’s bad fielding hurts his offensive output but he is still an overwhelmingly positive force on a team.

  369. your cousins from jersey December 16th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    i can imagine putz being really pissed that he’s setting up frankie, who was the closer on a division rival. im sure for several years putz has compared himself to krod and to succeed in such situations, you have to believe that you are better than he is.

    now, without his consent, he is playing 2nd fiddle to a guy he probably considers himself better than. and it doesnt help when frankie gyrates and says hes as good as mariano.

    cant imagine he’s gonna be a happy camper this season.

  370. Joe from Long Island December 16th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Turn Two at 9:04 –

    I think that getting their two top picks for the rotation, and having Phil, Aceves lined-up for the no.5 gives them the ability to take this tact with Andy. There is reported to be a 10M deal on the table. Having CC and AJ in the fold, and minor league arms available, lets them take this stance.

    My guess if Andy doens’t work out is they look to go with Aceves, leaving Phil in AAA to work a bit more; Aceves being more of a finished product at this point. Then, if needed, evaluate Phil during the summer to see if he’s progressed enough to warrant what they probably hope will be his last trip on the Scranton-NY shuttle.

  371. mel December 16th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    http://www.bostonherald.com/sp.....position=3

    I normally don’t link to Boston papers, but this one said we’re only paying CC $21M. Really? That’s great news. And there’s a picture of John Henry next to Teixeira’s. Does he always dress like that? Not quite the Harvard professor look I pictured.

    (pat, the Daily News didn’t call. But if they did, I would tell them that Putz should be their closer. And I’d ask them if there wasn’t a simpler way to get it done. 12 players? 3 teams?)

    Rebecca,

    I’m really, really sorry about your Orangemen last night. That winning shot by Cleveland State was all net from 60 feet. Great finish, but for the wrong team.

  372. ANSKY December 16th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Jeremy

    Good points.

    On a side bar … Gretzky could probably finish in the top ten in scoring if he decided to make an NHL comeback any time before he’s 50. Last time I went to an NHL game was a Rangers game in Gretzky’s next-to-last season. He was past his prime by then but he was still clearly the best player on the ice by a significant margin. It was effortless work for him because he was able to think, anticipate & react a few moves ahead of everyone else. I wish I’d seen him in his prime.

    Now if Manny could suddenly learn to maintain a standard of ‘class’ like Gretzky, pay Boston back the salary he was paid whenever he tanked or demanded a trade, accept an opt-out clause in his contract that protects the team in case he ever tanks or demands a trade again, then I wouldn’t mind signing him. I’m not foolish enough to think that’ll ever happen though. All three are among things that just will never happen, so I’d never want to sign Manny.

  373. Jim in Dalton December 16th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Thank you Andy on your fine work, God Bless you on your new three year contract..Good Luck!

    Pete, THAT is what most Yankee fans would say…
    [You got us confused with Red Sox fans there Bud,]

  374. Tim Clougher December 16th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    GreenBeret7:

    I really think Andy will sign..not sure how the $$ will shake out but I believe he will sign with us..

  375. ham fighters Save Us Godzilla!!!!! December 16th, 2008 at 10:11 am

    joe, if they dont get another starter, going into ST having already decided which farm guy gets the open rotation spot (which is #4, not #5) is the mistake the killed them last year and resulted in ponson/rasner. if you are going to allow the open spot to be filled from within, you allow every SP in ST (farmhands and invitees) the opportunity to pitch for the spot and the winner gets it. when you predesignate who it is, you’ve decided winners and losers and created expectations and resentments needlessly. if its to be filled from within, you have a competition.

    but i think they will find a 1 year fill-in somewhere.

  376. GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    There is no way that Ramirez could cover left field in Yankee Stadium, Detroit, Seattle or Oakland. He was fair at Fenway, because he didn’t have to run far, even if he had the desire to. A Range factor of 1.90 in the NL and 1.76 in the Al isn’t overly impressive, is it?

  377. Tim Clougher December 16th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Just a note, Manny has a good arm….

  378. PAT M. December 16th, 2008 at 10:15 am

    Every piece written about Texeria re-signing with the Angels always has an attachment about the Yanks lurking in the shadows…..That was Ken Forsch’s comments a few weeks ago also during a round of golf at Peeble Beach…..Maybe they’re just waiting to see how everything goes and then they make a last minute pitch to Boras…..Who really knows for certain, Cashman plays this game of being coy rather well……Pettite will come back for a year I believe….Split the difference 12-13 mil…..

  379. ham fighters Save Us Godzilla!!!!! December 16th, 2008 at 10:15 am

    “Not quite the Harvard professor look I pictured.”

    the frosted hair and mod glasses are new, but the sweater under a jacket is standard-issue professor garb. wonder if the jacket had elbow patches…..

  380. Tom December 16th, 2008 at 10:18 am

    Mel, That’s what Henry wears when he reads his Beat poetry down in the Village.

  381. ham fighters Save Us Godzilla!!!!! December 16th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    not that i have any fear that cash would sign manny but…

    every day they put damon in CF and manny in LF, i’d be looking for them to reprise the “cut-off.”

    with damon’s arm in CF, it might be thier best play…

  382. mel December 16th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    ham fighters,

    I re-thunk that after I wrote it. I guess I was picturing the banker/Bud Selig look.

    BTW, if they don’t sign Andy, I think they stay pat. If Aceves has a good ST, he’s the #5. If and when Phil is blowing away AAA guys, he’ll come up. I’d move Aceves to the bullpen to do long work.

    Staying pat also leaves the door open for Andy. Still don’t think they’re harboring bad feelings about the Mitchell Report. If they were, they would’ve just cut ties.

  383. ham fighters Save Us Godzilla!!!!! December 16th, 2008 at 10:24 am

    i think everybody is looking past the fact that joba has to be the #5 b/c of his innings limits, so whoever takes the next starting spot is going to be a #4 and the yankees are going to need him every 5th day, not the bottom-of-the-pile guy you pass-over every time there’s an off-day or rainout. this is a significant difference.

  384. GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Tim Clougher
    December 16th, 2008 at 10:09 am
    GreenBeret7:

    I really think Andy will sign..not sure how the $$ will shake out but I believe he will sign with us..

    ————————————————————

    He’s certainly a safer and better short term option than anybody else on the market. The only team taking a shot at Sheets will be a team desperate for starter to make a run at a division. Texas will most likely bid the most, but, I think that Atlanta, Texas, St. Louis and maybe LA Dodgers take a run. I’m guessing that NYY will give Pettitte about another week, and, then go internally for a starter. I can’t imagine them wanting to close the last spot in the rotation up for the next 2-3 years.

  385. ham fighters Save Us Godzilla!!!!! December 16th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    so who knows the wbc plans of the yankees starters? i know the yankees will take any excuse to try to keep a guy out of it, so i expect they wont allow wang to pitch for taiwan, but what about cc and aj?

    personally i think the yankees should let them all pitch for thier wbc teams and let the ST crowds see just what we’ve got working in scranton and trenton. ok, sorry, somebody’s gonna get stuck paying to watch igawa pitch, but hey, it’s ST!

    all the better if they are all competing for a trip north and a rotation spot!

  386. GreenBeret7 December 16th, 2008 at 10:36 am

    PAT M.
    December 16th, 2008 at 10:15 am
    Every piece written about Texeria re-signing with the Angels always has an attachment about the Yanks lurking in the shadows…..That was Ken Forsch’s comments a few weeks ago also during a round of golf at Peeble Beach…..Maybe they’re just waiting to see how everything goes and then they make a last minute pitch to Boras…..Who really knows for certain, Cashman plays this game of being coy rather well……Pettite will come back for a year I believe….Split the difference 12-13 mil…..

    ————————————————————

    Morning,Pat. Does Bob Forsch golf with you guys? Those two brothers were outstanding pitchers.

    I saw where somebody let it slip that 21 mil a year wasn’t enough to get Teixeira. They maybe looking at close to Alex Rodriguez money. I don’t know who would have put that out. It surely couldn’t have been the normally close-lipped Boras.

  387. Jeremy December 16th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    Patrick,

    I looked up Abreu’s and Manny’s fielding numbers on BP and was surprised by what I saw. Abreu was 10 runs below average last season, which was only surprising in that I thought he would have been worse. But Manny was actually slightly above average both on the Dodgers AND the Sox last season. That astounded me.

    Typically, as in from 2002 through 2007, Manny has been a below-average fielder. In 2002-2005 he was over 10 runs below average, and in 2006 he was an incredible 22 runs below average. That’s just ridiculously bad.

    Obviously there are other fielding metrics out there, and some might be kinder to Manny. And I had mistakenly assumed that 2008 Manny was just as bad as 2002-2006 Manny. In fact, Manny’s defense improved significantly in 2007-2008. But Manny is on the wrong side of 35 and I think it’s much more likely that we would see more of his horrible 2002-2006 defense than his passable 2007-2008 defense. If we did get Bad Defense Manny, we’d be getting a player whose glove is so bad that it could change our season for the worse. And that has to be a serious concern when the player in question is demanding at least an $80 million commitment.

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