Comments on: The K-Man for Cameron? Really? http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/15/the-k-man-for-cameron-really/ A New York Yankees blog by Sam Borden, Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:21:38 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Mike McCann http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/15/the-k-man-for-cameron-really/comment-page-2/#comment-616680 Mike McCann Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:29:31 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5581#comment-616680 Why do the Yankees want to get older, slower and less athletic. Mike Cameron is 36, not 31. In our post-steroid, post-amphetamine era, he is not going to prove as durable as the younger Cabrera or Brett Gardner. Why would a team laden with 34-and-old starters (A-Rod, Jeter, Damo, Matsui, Posada) want to add another aging player whose speed and range will diminish -- and, in the arguably easier National League, hit a meager .243 with over 140 strikeouts last season (and who averages 158 k's a year!)?? Why do the Yankees want to get older, slower and less athletic. Mike Cameron is 36, not 31. In our post-steroid, post-amphetamine era, he is not going to prove as durable as the younger Cabrera or Brett Gardner. Why would a team laden with 34-and-old starters (A-Rod, Jeter, Damo, Matsui, Posada) want to add another aging player whose speed and range will diminish — and, in the arguably easier National League, hit a meager .243 with over 140 strikeouts last season (and who averages 158 k’s a year!)??

]]> By: AeroFANatic http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/15/the-k-man-for-cameron-really/comment-page-2/#comment-616652 AeroFANatic Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:08:57 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5581#comment-616652 I say sign Dunn, 2 yrs at 25 million, put in LF. We can live with Damon in CF and Nady in RF for one more year. The lineup would then look like this: CF - Damon SS - Jeter DH - Matsui 3B - Rodriguez LF - Dunn RF - Nady 2B - Cano C - Posada 1B - Swisher Pretty balanced lineup, and instead of bringing Cameron over for 10 mil...we essentially get that above lineup for 2-3 mil more. Next year, Jackson takes over for Damon in CF and Holliday can take over for Nady in RF with Dunn in his final year in LF. I say sign Dunn, 2 yrs at 25 million, put in LF. We can live with Damon in CF and Nady in RF for one more year. The lineup would then look like this:

CF – Damon
SS – Jeter
DH – Matsui
3B – Rodriguez
LF – Dunn
RF – Nady
2B – Cano
C – Posada
1B – Swisher

Pretty balanced lineup, and instead of bringing Cameron over for 10 mil…we essentially get that above lineup for 2-3 mil more.

Next year, Jackson takes over for Damon in CF and Holliday can take over for Nady in RF with Dunn in his final year in LF.

]]> By: Zod http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/15/the-k-man-for-cameron-really/comment-page-2/#comment-616523 Zod Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:43:17 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5581#comment-616523 I will miss him sitting next to me charting pitchers here in Scranton. He was also a very good first base coach for us, well worth 42 mil. I will miss him sitting next to me charting pitchers here in Scranton. He was also a very good first base coach for us, well worth 42 mil.

]]> By: michael in sd http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/15/the-k-man-for-cameron-really/comment-page-2/#comment-616487 michael in sd Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:12:11 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5581#comment-616487 sign giambi to play 4-5 days a week. dont trade for cameron. start gardner in center. sign giambi to play 4-5 days a week. dont trade for cameron. start gardner in center.

]]> By: Marcus http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/15/the-k-man-for-cameron-really/comment-page-2/#comment-616372 Marcus Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:07:34 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5581#comment-616372 For everyone clamoring that we need Tex or Manny, wasn't this middle of the order good enough to win several championships when combined with outstanding pitching? 3 - Paul O'Neill 4 - Bernie Williams 5 - Tino Martinez Good, even great, ballplayers, but not a hall-of-famer in the bunch. I'm not sold on our current lineup yet, but I don't see the need for another mega-contract to complete it. For everyone clamoring that we need Tex or Manny, wasn’t this middle of the order good enough to win several championships when combined with outstanding pitching?

3 – Paul O’Neill
4 – Bernie Williams
5 – Tino Martinez

Good, even great, ballplayers, but not a hall-of-famer in the bunch. I’m not sold on our current lineup yet, but I don’t see the need for another mega-contract to complete it.

]]> By: gianthinker http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/15/the-k-man-for-cameron-really/comment-page-2/#comment-616357 gianthinker Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:53:54 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5581#comment-616357 As far as FA center fielder options I was hoping we might look at Rocco Baldelli. He’d bring some power and he’s 27. I know he’s got some sickness that makes him tired but Damon/Swisher/Whatever Rookie could give him days off every once in a while. Now I know the benefit for Cameron is he’ll only be a year rental and not hold AJax or Gardner back but IMO Baldelli could serve the same purpose. We’ll be losing our entire OF next off-season so we could afford to sign Baldelli to a 3-4 year deal and simply move him to a corner spot when our youngsters are ready. What do you guys think? As far as FA center fielder options I was hoping we might look at Rocco Baldelli. He’d bring some power and he’s 27. I know he’s got some sickness that makes him tired but Damon/Swisher/Whatever Rookie could give him days off every once in a while. Now I know the benefit for Cameron is he’ll only be a year rental and not hold AJax or Gardner back but IMO Baldelli could serve the same purpose. We’ll be losing our entire OF next off-season so we could afford to sign Baldelli to a 3-4 year deal and simply move him to a corner spot when our youngsters are ready. What do you guys think?

]]> By: gianthinker http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/15/the-k-man-for-cameron-really/comment-page-2/#comment-616354 gianthinker Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:52:47 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5581#comment-616354 Carl Crawford is one of my favorite OF in baseball period but the Rays would be crazy to let him go. I'm sure that Ca$hman would be interested if he did become a FA but I'd think he'll stick around Tampa for another 2-3 years before they move a younger guy into his LF spot. Carl Crawford is one of my favorite OF in baseball period but the Rays would be crazy to let him go. I’m sure that Ca$hman would be interested if he did become a FA but I’d think he’ll stick around Tampa for another 2-3 years before they move a younger guy into his LF spot.

]]> By: gianthinker http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/15/the-k-man-for-cameron-really/comment-page-2/#comment-616346 gianthinker Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:49:01 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5581#comment-616346 You guys realize Ca$hman has said he's lower pay roll EVERY off-season. That includes the ones he's spent big in. Going a little over his goal number for one season will not stop him from making the moves he wants to make. He might not make another move but it wont be because the Yanks are strapped and cant spend because of a $10M contract. Not to mention that Cameron makes $10M and Igawa makes $4M a year so Cameron will only cost us $6M. Ca$hman wont be swayed from signing a major talent like Teixeira or Manny over a mere $6M. It's more likely that he decides Manny is a cancer and that Tex is getting to many years to get seriously involved. Money wont be what keeps us from signing either one of them. You guys realize Ca$hman has said he’s lower pay roll EVERY off-season. That includes the ones he’s spent big in. Going a little over his goal number for one season will not stop him from making the moves he wants to make. He might not make another move but it wont be because the Yanks are strapped and cant spend because of a $10M contract. Not to mention that Cameron makes $10M and Igawa makes $4M a year so Cameron will only cost us $6M. Ca$hman wont be swayed from signing a major talent like Teixeira or Manny over a mere $6M. It’s more likely that he decides Manny is a cancer and that Tex is getting to many years to get seriously involved. Money wont be what keeps us from signing either one of them.

]]> By: gianthinker http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/15/the-k-man-for-cameron-really/comment-page-2/#comment-616341 gianthinker Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:43:52 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5581#comment-616341 I'll say it again, Cameron's $10M will not stop Ca$hman from getting Teixeira or Manny. Stop being ridiculous. Everyone is taking Ca$hman at his exact word that we wont be higher in payroll. Right now thats true but a few million are not going to sway the Yanks from getting their man. If the Yanks trade for Cameron and choose not to jump in on Tex or Manny it will have NOTHING TO DO WITH CAMERON. George uses $10M to wipe his butt....give me a break. I’ll say it again, Cameron’s $10M will not stop Ca$hman from getting Teixeira or Manny. Stop being ridiculous. Everyone is taking Ca$hman at his exact word that we wont be higher in payroll. Right now thats true but a few million are not going to sway the Yanks from getting their man. If the Yanks trade for Cameron and choose not to jump in on Tex or Manny it will have NOTHING TO DO WITH CAMERON. George uses $10M to wipe his butt….give me a break.

]]> By: Boston Dave http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/15/the-k-man-for-cameron-really/comment-page-2/#comment-616312 Boston Dave Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:12:42 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5581#comment-616312 Cameron for Melky and Igawa (with the Brewers picking up even 1/3 of his contract) is a STEAL. Cameron for Melky and Igawa (with the Brewers picking up even 1/3 of his contract) is a STEAL.

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