CC arrives in New York
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 16, 2008 
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Carsten Charles Sabathia arrived in New York last night and will spend the next two days getting a physical and checking out places to live in the ‘burbs.
On behalf of the people of Westchester, we’d be happy to have you, CC. I’ll get you a subscription to the paper.
No word as of yet when A.J. Burnett will show up. But the Yankees tend to take their time with these things. It’s not unusual for them to go two weeks from landing a player to introducing him.
WELCOME BIG GUY!
Westchester? BAH! Morris County is where it’s at.
Pete, trust me, CC can afford his own subscription to the paper.
Come down to Jersey CC.
“Come down to Jersey CC.”
ewwwww
sweet cc. are we sure aj can pass a physical and not break a fingernail
Pete,
Are you exclusively reporting that it will take CC two days to complete his physical? I mean, I know he’s a big guy and all, but still…
pete works for a newspaper?
ham fighter – about TIVO. I finally broke down and got myself a DVR in time for the last game at the Stadium since I was going to be there and wanted to do a lot of taping. Unfortunately, I didn’t realize I needed an extra line into the house to have it work (I have DirectTv.) But since I bought it I was happy to set up an appointment to have the line put in. That was in September. After the losers who do the installing jerked me around twice and called me the day before installation day to cancel and reschedule and actually put me a month and a half out the second time, I told them to pound sand. I figure after the first of the year I will call and set up an appointment.
No, I didn’t know you could set it from your cell phone! And yes I do have a cell phone.
Welcome to New York CC!!!!
trish, we kid because we love.
i have a directv dvr b/c it was cheaper that way, but tivo (which i had for 5 years) is much better and you set it up yourself. it also can work wirelessly through your wireless internet access, so no extra line is needed.
the FF speeds and preview on tivo also worked much better for football/baseball than the dtv dvr.
iphone has an app for tivo to let you schedule shows,,i think you can sling box from a phone too..
LETS GET TEX
Baltimore is the top bid, expect Washington to trounce that bid.
Mark Teixeira is close to making a decision according to his agent – via espn news. We should know in a couple of days. Interesting that Boston offer was leak out today. I’ll he signs with them.
Who do I have to pay so that I can be CC’s real estate agent?
Is there anybody out there who can explain the 1981 season? First Half and Second Half?
He should look into Clifton. Rutt’s Hutt would be right up his alley.
Then again, Westchester has some great dining as well.
hometown area or not, he wont go to wash, and balt wont pay the premium…im assuming he likes to win, so sox , yanks should have upper hand..
NY closer to his home area, new stadium….they have edge if they wanna have last years payroll, he’s theirs…
He’ll sign w/ Washington.
My guess is that Tex stays with the Angels. I don’t think he’d be happy in BOS.
Somewhere in Westchester right now there is a VERY happy real estate agent…
“Is there anybody out there who can explain the 1981 season? First Half and Second Half?”
There was a strike for most of two months in the middle of the 1981 season.
“He’ll sign w/ Washington.”
They are a terrible team and a decade away from being a contender. Why would he go there? He likes money just like everyone else, but not that much.
Damn. I didn’t even know there was a difference. So you can get tivo as a separate entity, on your own, and don’t need to bother with your provider? Well now, maybe I will see about taking the DVR back! Is tivo a lot more expensive? I am wireless, so that won’t be a problem.
the big difference is that with my tivo, watching a football or baseball game you want to ff to the start of the next play and watch from the snap or as the pitcher is about to release the pitch. in ff the preview on the dtv, which is suuposed to show you where you would land if you pushed play, lags. so in order to go to regular speed at the snap/release i have to basically let the ff run till i see the result of the play/pitch the hit play for it to start right where i want it to. this sucks, who wants to see the result in the preview?
my tivo didnt do that to me.
washington wont win for the 9 years hes there, why would he want that…someone will match it…
Mmmm…Rutt’s Hutt
I’m guessing he stays with the Angels just because I always thought that.
My hope is that he signs with the Nationals because they too deserve to have top-name players.
Please baseball Santa, send Teixeira to the Nationals. They deserve nice gifts too you know!
Since Steve Smith got robbed at his house in Clifton a few weeks ago, CC’s going to have to really love those Rutt’s Hutt rippers to get him to move there
Tex wants to be Oriole but the Nationals have the top bid. Boras right now is probably letting him know about that. His wife lives in Balt. has close family there. IDK I still say when it’s all said and done he’s picking the Nationals.
Tex wants to be an Oriole*
trisha, yes you can buy tivo at best buy, but you do have to subscribe to tivo, which i think is around $10 a mo. or i paid around $250 for lifetime subscription.
Just wondering, how come the Dodgers didn’t try their best to retain Furcal? Did he really want to play in the East Coast or something? I don’t know much about Furcal since I don’t follow the NL, but his numbers are impressive and he’s relatively young. Plus, would he want to play for the Braves?!
If Boston nabs Teixeira, it’ll be a disappointment but nothing insurmountable. He can’t beat us by himself. Well, he can, but not 18x a year.
The reported numbers appear to be in the same range. Handicapping the teams:
Angels-nice, but west. Angels already saying they’re looking at Manny, conceding defeat.
Boston-winning team and in the east. They might be the ones to go over the top to get him. They’ll have the right combination. Money, location, chance to win.
Washington-RU kidding?
Baltimore-hometown team, lots of good position players about to break through.
Yankees-unless they’re going to pull a stealth move or a rabbit out of the hat trick, no way. There’s been no serious Yankee involvement, unless Boras is unable to broadcast it because he’s been bound and gagged.
“Pete, trust me, CC can afford his own subscription to the paper.”
in a strange counterintuitive way, the more money players get , the more free stuff they want. i once saw wilson alvarez after signing a mega 5 year free agent contract with the devil rays walk out of a golf pro shop in sarasota, fla with the rest of his foursome because the golf course wasn’t going to comp them the $50 green fees.
it’s obviously no big deal,but it happens more often than you would think.
i still say theres no way the orioles can let DC get teixeira. thats letting the nationals steal thier lunch. it would put the nats above the O’s in the Balt-Wash market.
Armonk/Bedford, NY or the Upper Saddle River, NJ area might be good places for CC to start. Not bad commutes to the stadium but big homes with really big lots to assure privacy.
Torre’s house might be available for rent for the season or if Moose owned instead of rented, he might be willing to give CC a good deal. Maybe that’s what Amber and Jana were discussing when they talked!
Tex to the Red Sox would sting…..Don’t let the Beltran flop happen again….Sign this man!!
If the Yanks don’t get him the Red Sox will
Here’s Karl Ravich’s transcript.
“*The five teams that have always been pursuing him—the Angels, RS, Yankees, Nationals and Orioles—continue to be the five teams pursuing him. Someone very familiar with the negotiations said, it’s almost fascinating what’s happened. Every time one team steps up its offer, the other four teams do the same thing. It appears as if the idea that he wants to play for a competitor in the East, while that’s a priority, it’s almost neutralized by the fact that there’s an enormous attraction to the Orioles. He grew up in Maryland. His family is there. His wife has very, very close ties to that area. There’s something that kind of keeps bringing he and (agent) Scott Boras back to the Orioles as a hometown, ‘I’d love to play for the team I grew up watching,’ (destination)*.
“They look at the numbers being thrown out there. The Angels, who gave Torii Hunter $18 million a year, and of course Alex Rodriguez’ deal was almost $30 million a year, the numbers almost favor a comparison to A-Rod. So he’s looking at an eight-year deal that’s going to be worth between $22 and $28 million a year. A pretty good Christmas present. The sense I got from the people I spoke with was that the decision is getting closer and closer to being made. They’re almost looking as if one team would drop out of it to make the decision easier. They’re making it very hard on them. It’s a decision we’d all love to have to make.
“If you’re looking at eight years, $180 million, you’re north of $18 million a year, which is really sort of the starting point. This thing just continues to escalate. Even people like Scott and Mark, who have been involved in these things before—he’s been dealt a few times, he passed up a huge offer at one point from the Rangers, and this was a couple years ago. They identified the market, and the market seems to come back to them. Obviously, *the Orioles and Nationals would love to use him. The Orioles look at Teixeira the same way they did at Ripken for so many years. They’d have this guy as the foundation, as the face of the organization*.
“In so many ways, he’s the perfect representative of whatever franchise he goes to. He’s heavy into the workouts, he’s never had any injuries, he’s had no problems off the field to speak of. You understand why these teams would want to get a switch-hitting, great Gold Glove first baseman.”
CC can buy the LoHud enterprise if he wants a damn paper!
CC, looking forward to seeing you at Stew Leonard’s.
[Insert Alex/Westchester/Central Park slumlord joke here.]
“Come down to Jersey CC.”
“ewwwww”
Hate to break it to you but most of these athletes that play for “New York” teams do happen to live in Jersey. No one wants to the live the city. Certain towns in NJ are beautiful and peaceful.
Bergen County!
I don’t think Tex to the Red Sox is as bad as people think. He’s going to cost CC money over more years. He’s not an ARod or Manny hitter, someone posted that he hasn’t hit 35 home runs since leaving that bandbox in Texas. In two years, he may very well be a .280/.330/.800 25/100 hitter, hardly worth 15, let alone 25 million per year. I really think that Tex will handcuff a club much more than the CC deal.
He can save the $6 GWB toll if he lives in Westchester. Frugal times, friends.
I read last night that Johnny and Alex really bugged AJ into signing with the Yankees. The AJ thing started as mild trash talking (“banter”) and developed into a friendly relationship.
Think the players are calling up or texting Tex? What is Alex telling Tex, “$30M is so overrated”.
Whoever signs Tex is a big winner. The guy is the goods. I’d much rather have him then wait for Holliday next yr. Tex is donnie jr…..it’s a shame the Yanks screwed this one up yet again. All that money they throw at people and they cant go after a big need (a strong hitter who isnt 35)
Red Sox are desperate to match Yankee moves and put themselves back on top. They will do anything to close this deal.
mel,
do you have a link?
“wilnieves:
11:19 am Any update on Texiera? I would LOVE to see him wearing a Nationals uniform.
j_bowden:
11:24 am *Our ownership and baseball operations department targeted Mark Teixeira from the very beginning as our number one offseason priority and our ongoing negotiations reflect our commitment to doing everything we can to return Mark to his hometown region with the Washington Nationals*.”
That’s a chatlog w/ Jim Bowden
Welcome, young Sabathia. You will soon know the true meaning of “over-rated” and “mediocre.” I look forward to completing your training, as you compile a .500 record during the regular season and completely melt down in the playoffs.
The circle is now complete. You, like Javier Vazquez, are now…MINE!
get an apartment over on the grand concourse and walk to work.
“All that money they throw at people and they cant go after a big need (a strong hitter who isnt 35)”
How is starting pitching not just as big of a need, considering the only people written into the rotation coming into this offseason were CMW and Joba (150 innings of Joba, should I say)? I don’t think landing the two best starters available is “messing things up again”. It’s one thing to yearn for Teix, it’s another to try to argue that not signing him to a long-term deal in favor of addressing other more pressing needs is a huge mistake. Also, it’s not a clear line between Donnie Baseball and Teix, considering you’re bringing Teix in as a mercenary–perhaps the idea is to cultivate the future of first base in Yankees Stadium from the minors, or through a trade during July or the 2009 offseason, or something along that line, and not through a gigantic contract.
kd,
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo....._in_a.html
Also mentions that Jeter and Burnett know each other from a Michael Jordan golf tournament.
I got a good question what would
Wang + Nady net you on a trade market ?
Why doesn’t Moose just sell his house to CC? Their wives spoke last week.
Well, if Teixeira chose the Yankees, he wouldn’t have to be “the man”.
“I got a good question what would
Wang + Nady net you on a trade market ?”
‘good question’ is a relative term.
“Why doesn’t Moose just sell his house to CC? Their wives spoke last week.”
Maybe CC won’t like the house. Maybe Moose plans to keep it as an investment or wants to wait until the real estate market picks up so that he can get more for it.
Brandon, why would you wanna trade Wang? What are you getting lonely and trying to stir up conversation??
on here, posts that start with a question like ‘what would x and y get you in a trade?’ usually end up with jeter in LF arod at SS, posada in RF and the yankees signing tex, manny, furcal, trading for pujols and berkman and signing alex cora.
“Baltimore-hometown team, lots of good position players about to break through.”
Lots???? I think of Markakis as having already broken thru, having averaged .300+, 20/100 over his 1st two full seasons. Adam Jones was exposed in the 2nd half last year but should still be pretty good. Weiters will be an absolute stud IMO, and very soon. That’s three. Rest of O’s high end guys are pitchers from what I’ve read. Teixeira would be interesting in a lineup with Roberts, Weiters and Markakis, but I’m not sure Roberts is long for the O’s.
Saddle River is nicer than Upper Saddle River.
I heard Mike’s house was up for sale.
thats why i say that the O’s have to beat any offers for tex. they are up and coming, dont have humongous contracts, and need a face, a franchise player to build around.
that plus they cant lose him to DC. i think they have to rise up and get thier boy.
“Wang + Nady net you on a trade market ?”
Don’t think Nady adds much to the deal. Average outfielder both offensively and defensively and a season from free agency. Wang??? Think Dan Haren package……then lessen it a little.
“Brandon, why would you wanna trade Wang? What are you getting lonely and trying to stir up conversation??”
Who said I want to, I just would like to know what a Wang + Nady would net us. You have Brackman under control up to 2011 I think and you have Hughes, you have Burnett, CC, Aceves, getting CC + AJ actually makes this a possibility since Wang would seek arbitration and the Yankees could net something in a package deal. Again would I want to do it, No, would I be curious about it ? Yes.
ham fighter – thanks. I better do some quick looking since I hear Circuit City is going to be closing down and that’s where I bought the DVR.
“If Boston nabs Teixeira, it’ll be a disappointment but nothing insurmountable. He can’t beat us by himself. Well, he can, but not 18x a year.”
mel, I think it is an absolute RIOT that anyone fears Boston based on anything, but especially because they think that adding one player will make them become a trojan horse.
I love your response to aardvark last night. He just can’t wait to talk the Sux. I also remember reading a few “frightened” bravado responses from people I assume are Sux fans saying that King Theo absolutely will match the Yankeees player for player and will invent a robot player if he has to because he is just too smart and cool and golden to let the Yankees get ahead of the Sux, oh yes he is!
What a joke.
Anyway, I don’t have any way to help fans keep from spinning out of control over things but if I could wave a wand and assure Yankee fans anyway that there really isn’t any way that Boston is going to rival the Yankees next year, I would. Because they’re not. All I will say is that *you read it here first.*
Best I can do since people who worry will continue to worry. (Or hope, depending on the fan perspective…)
Wang and Nady will not be making a boatload of money in 2009, however, Nady is under contract for one more year and I believe Wang is under contract for two more seasons (is that right, 2?). Wang is a workhorse and seems to be over the shoulder issue from 2005 and Nady is a nice 5 to 6 hitter for a competitive ball club.
Wang clearly has the highest value due to the fact he is a starting pitcher who goes deep into the game. I would say Wang would be able to bring you back two high A level prospects and Nady would give you a B level prospect.
teixera is not going to baltimore. get a grip. he’s going to boston. it sucks but we have to start coming to grips with this
In the end…. as Pete said. It’s all gonna be about the money.
And nobody has more money available to spend, right now, than the Red Sox.
He will go where the money is.
“teixera is not going to baltimore. get a grip. he’s going to boston. it sucks but we have to start coming to grips with this”
He’s going to Washington.
Why would you want to trade Wang?
The offers must be similar, making it difficult for Tex to decide.
Hearing Tex to the Sox is the most rtealistic scenario. Yanks have made a bid but it isnt in the ballpark.
ughlll
“Why would you want to trade Wang?”
Hypothetical question, Tom.
1981 STRIKE SEASON….Who ever was leading their division prior to the work stoppage was declared a winner…Who ever won the second half would play the first half winner in a 2 of 3 playoff…Yanks vs. Oakland…Then Yanks vs. Milw…..Then Yanks blow a 2-0 leasd to the Dodgers…Many injuries that Series…Nettles, Chambliss, Dent,….
Where is bobcat when you need him……
All things being equal, Tex chooses….the Yankees.
“Wang clearly has the highest value due to the fact he is a starting pitcher who goes deep into the game. I would say Wang would be able to bring you back two high A level prospects and Nady would give you a B level prospect.”
The value of having CC + AJ makes this very possible, I love Wang but you also have to wonder what can he plus a Nady net you. Can you improve your defense+offense dealing them in package, put it this way he’s a contact pitcher w/ a B maybe C+ defense behind him, your not going to get optimal use for him, CC + AJ are swing and miss guys they relieve the defense at CF at RF at LF and up the middle, it’s just a thought for now but Wang + Nady could land you some big players.
“teixera is not going to baltimore. get a grip. he’s going to boston. it sucks but we have to start coming to grips with this”
Hmmm. It only sucks if you let it suck. First of all nobody knows where he’s going. Second of all one player does not any team make!
For the record, I could care less where he goes. Let him go to Boston. WHO CARES!
Another way to get a grip is to look at the Yankees rotation and lineup and realize that the Yankees REALLY are in good shape. Not to worry. Truly.
I would imagine that any contract from Washington or Baltimore would have an opt out.
he’d be completely nuts to go to washington. if he didn’t learn from a-rod’s mistakes (which by the way he witnessed firsthand in texas) then he deserves to be irrelevant for a decade, which is what he’ll be
” Our ownership and baseball operations department targeted Mark Teixeira from the very beginning as our number one offseason priority and our ongoing negotiations reflect our commitment to doing everything we can to return Mark to his hometown region with the Washington Nationals.”
That’s a chatlog w/ Jim Bowden”
Why would he say this? How often do GM’s say this out loud, particularly to a Boras client. What’s the benefit to the team that they make their intentions so clear – you need to give Boras even more leverage?
Those kinds of statements are made for the benefit of the fanbase. People in D.C. and in Baltimore are very disenchanted with those two teams.
Drumming up rumors about their pursuit of Tex is only good for the team in that is shows the fans that management “cares.”
Now they very well may be serious about going after him. But if they were I’d have to think they would play it closer to the vest – like the Sox have been doing since negotiations started.
But the O’s and Nats have been very loud. So even if they don’t get Tex – even if they were never serious about it in the first place – they can tell their fans that they tried to improve their awful teams.
Last week Tony Reagins the Angels GM came flat out and said on the radio that they’d made an 8 year offer to Tex. The Angels fanbase was elated. Arte had finally targeted his guy! Thanks goodness Stoneman is gone and we have an aggressive GM!
When I heard that it sounded to me like Boston had become the prohibitive favorite to sign Tex. Why in the world would Reagins possibly say that publicly? Just to be a nice guy and let the Sox know what his offer was? To give Boras some more leverage?
Or was it to send a message to the fan base that we’re really trying so that they’d believe in the management’s commitment?
“All things being equal, Tex chooses….the Yankees.”
You could be right Mel, but for all things to be equal the Yankees would have to be making a major push for him. At least at this point in time it doesn’t appear to be the case. Alas, wishing doesn’t make it so…
Welcome to NY CC!
“Then Yanks blow a 2-0 leasd to the Dodgers…Many injuries that Series…Nettles, Chambliss, Dent,….”
That was brutal. Yankees actually held a lead in each of the last four games before losing them all. Thanks a lot George Frazier!
“Why in the world would Reagins possibly say that publicly?”
You answered that question in your previous paragraph.
“Last week Tony Reagins the Angels GM came flat out and said on the radio that they’d made an 8 year offer to Tex. The Angels fanbase was elated.”
See?
If Tex decides to go home to the Orioles or the Nationals then good for him, I just hope he holds his grudge against Boston and decides to go home to Maryland.
But what a Xmas present this would be if Hank and Hal step up and steal Tex at the last minute. I need another Jose Contreras moment on XMAS Eve (minus the results when Contreras started actually pitching)
S.A. – thanks for the perspective! It’s nice to see posts that indicate that there are fans who are actually cognizant of the enormity (no pun intended) of that signing! So many of the fans here remind me of Veruka Salt. Spoiled, unappreciative and NEVER SATISFIED!
If Boston is going 8 years for Tex, it is against everything Theo has been preaching the last few years. I hope someone asks him why the change of philosophy now?
Karl Ravech saying the Yanks are still in it for Teixeira gives me some hope the Teixeira sweepstakes is not yet over for us.
I’m kind of dubious the Yanks really are still in it, for payroll reasons, but perhaps the failure to finalize the Pettitte signing or the Cameron trade indicates the Yanks really still are trying to get Teixeira.
FWIW, I think the Nats and Orioles really are trying flat out to sign him. If we don’t get him, go Nats!
mel,
thanks for the link. it’s nice to see that alex is taking a leadership role on the team.
what’s the over/under on tex signing this week? my guess is that he signs before xmas.
“I hope someone asks him why the change of philosophy now?”
Might be because he’s the best free agent position player since the 2000 offseason (the year of Arod and Ramirez). Based on talent level and his age, only Beltran is in the same conversation among FA position players since 2000.
All the teams after Tex have an 8 year offer reportedly on the table. The AAV’s can only be so different.
The team that offers him a 9th or even 10th year will be the one to get him.
If Boston signs Tex to an 9-10 yr deal so be it. That’s an enormous commitment and will invariably limit their payroll/roster flexibility for years to come.
They’ll have him but they will have paid a lot for him both in terms of money and lost opportunities.
pat,
I saw an article where Theo was saying yeah, we [Boston]have the financial muscle but that doesn’t mean we have to use it. I’ve got to find it, it was a total dig at our FA pitching signings. Such a smug guy.
“If the Red Sox are successful in landing Teixeira, it will create a somewhat sticky situation. The Red Sox have Kevin Youkilis at first base and Mike Lowell at third. To open a spot for Teixeira, the Red Sox might have to trade Lowell and move Youkilis across the diamond.”
I personally would not mind seeing Mike Lowell disappear. He absolutely kicks defensive butt at third.
Brandon, why are you so sure about Tex going to Nationals?? You got inside information on that?
Philosophy change or not, I can’t knock the Sox for going hard after Tex. After all, don’t we want him? Fredo put it best perhaps.
All the same, I don’t see the Yankees pulling it out. Tex will end up in Boston or returning to the Angels. Money talks but I find it really hard to believe Tex doesn’t want to win. Baltimore or Washington doesn’t equal a world series ring for Tex.
Johnny talked to A.J. about New York, the differences between New York and Boston, how he views it. Johnny couldn’t be happier here and he communicated those thoughts to A.J. I know at one point he told A.J. about dealing with New York and told him, ‘Be accountable. If you’re accountable, you’ll be fine. Don’t fear the media unless you give them a reason.’
“I know on a couple of occasions, Johnny said to him, ‘You don’t have anything to worry about.’”
————
Johnny knows how it works here.
trisha he won’t be the same there next year. not with the hip problems. I would love to see him stay at third on the soxs.
If we get Tex (and I don’t think we do) it is not going to be a big, public thing like CC or AJ. You will just get up 1 morning, go to NY Post.com (no offense, Peter, they did break CC and Pavano years ago) and see it on the cover. It will be a very under the radar things, just like the A – Rod and Damon deals were.
“only Beltran is in the same conversation among FA position players since 2000.”
Tex clearly has a better track record than Beltran but I can’t see Tex proving to be as valuable as Beltran has been.
There’s just such a gap in positional scarcity between 1b and CF. CF is such a difficult position to fill – even if you are willing to pay through the nose.
Many people are equating the yankees passing on Beltran as a cautionary tale as to why they shouldn’t pass on Tex.
But there’s only a limited comparison to be made. Passing on Beltran will be far worse. The opportunity cost they’ve incurred for passing on a CF like Beltran has been enormous – particularly because Beltran was giving them a discount.
Beltran is probably the best defensive OF in baseball – which makes him one of the best defensive players in the game, period. He’s tremendous.
Passing on Tex will hurt but given his position not nearly as much as the loss of Beltran will, IMO.
“Brandon, why are you so sure about Tex going to Nationals?? You got inside information on that?”
Because they have what’s to be believed the best offer. I also believe they are not that concerned about the price tag.
10 years for tex is far too many. i hope the red sox do sign him for that many years, it’s cripple them year 4 through 10 of that deal.
plus, if the sox sign tex they have to hope youk can handle third for years to come. youk’s a good defensive player but he’s a big boy. how long till he eats himself out of 3b? aside from manny, he was their best hitter last year. ortiz is not getting younger, and maybe the steroids aren’t doing what they did before for david. my point: they’re not as strong offensively now as they were last year. their pitching is the same. everything’s coming up millhouse for the yankees
“If the Red Sox are successful in landing Teixeira, it will create a somewhat sticky situation. The Red Sox have Kevin Youkilis at first base and Mike Lowell at third. To open a spot for Teixeira, the Red Sox might have to trade Lowell and move Youkilis across the diamond.”
“I personally would not mind seeing Mike Lowell disappear. He absolutely kicks defensive butt at third.”
As much as I hate to admit it so does Youk at first. If you look close how much better does it make them? It’s essentially a wash defensively. With a slight offensive upgrade in Tex over Lowell.
“With a slight offensive upgrade in Tex over Lowell.”
That would be a rather large upgrade.
The 8 yr deal the Red Sox gave Manny didnt seem to cripple them in terms of operating or signing more players. It helped bring them 2 titles and broke the curse.
This doesn’t have the quote, but it’s a whole article on how Theo is NOT trying to keep up with the Yankees.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12.....f=baseball
CB:
Agree on your postion scarcity point, though when it comes to the Yankees of recent vintage, 1B and CF have both been among their biggest position issues.
That said, I agree that missing on Teixeira can’t be 100%equated with missing on Beltran.
OT if reports are true
It looks like David Lee + Eddy Curry are on thier way to Charlotte according to Alan Hahn.
And The Matrix is possibly landing in Cleveland.
LeBron + Matrix = NBA Champions.
Did the Yankees even offer Tex a contract??
“The 8 yr deal the Red Sox gave Manny didnt seem to cripple them in terms of operating or signing more players. It helped bring them 2 titles and broke the curse.”
just goes to show you its not long term contracts that are the problem… just long term contracts on dumb investments.
its a combination of being able to have money to spend, and having the right people in place to help spend the money wisely.
Kevin Youkilis has .962 FPTC as a 3rd baseman, which, oddly enough, is the same as Alex Rodriguez .
“Philosophy change or not, I can’t knock the Sox for going hard after Tex. After all, don’t we want him? Fredo put it best perhaps.”
I’m not knocking them for doing it just noticing how signing Tex does contradict what Theo has done in the past and said recently. I read the article mel is referring to and Theo made it sound like the Sox prefer to spend their money on recruiting and developing players not buying them. Nice picture painted but not exactly grounded in truth. The Yankees opening day roster has a chance to have as many homegrowns on it as the Sox.
Hey Tom what about Lowell who he would be replacing?
Fredo,
Missing out on Beltran has proved to be just an unmitigated disaster.
Can you imagine Beltran hitting in front of Alex? With his speed he’d score runs by the boatload.
It’s hard to believe that Met fans are constantly criticizing Beltran. Same boring refrain – he’s just not “clutch” let’s trade him.
A lot is made of signing Pavano and Wright, etc. But in those situations they were risking the asset they had in relative surplus – money.
Not sure if this was Cashman’s call on Beltran – the Boss loved RJ for years – but if it was Cashman’s call, passing on Beltran was probably his worst move – far worse than signing Pavano, IMO.
CB,
If I recall correctly, after the florida world series loss, george went into the offseason meetings and asked, ‘who would have helped us beat florida more, beltran or randy johnson?’ and then ordered cashman to trade for rj.
i still think that beltran would have been perfect in pinstripes, hitting second after jeter and before arod.
Lowell’s has a .975 FPTC for his career. However, since he’s been in Boston (3 years) he’s had a .987 FPTC in ’05; .961 in ’07; .967 last season.
kd,
I do think you’re right. I think it was George who ordered the RJ trade over Beltran.
The boss picking Sheffield over Vladamir Guerrero and RJ over Beltran completely changed the success and direction of this organization. Those are two decisions you just don’t fully recover from.
here’s what the new pitching staff could mean for the yankees bullpen.
the starting 5 for 2009 (ill count andy in here) averaged a combined 32.35 innings/start last season.
the yankees starting 5 of moose, pettitte, rasner, ponson and the combined 27 starts of joba/wang averaged 28.36 innings per start.
(the august rotaion (moose/andy/raz/bafoon/idle) was even worse at 27.13IP/start.
thats 4 innings every time through the rotation being pitched by our starters instead of our relievers next season! it reduces the bullpen’s IP by about a third!
Don’t forget George ordering the Raul Mondesi trade.
CB,
I’d actually argue that we are recovering from those trades as we speak.
Biased aside, if you were Tex and the money was very close, who would you sign with looking at a 8 yr window?
1- LAA – Vlade on the way out, 3000 miles from family who have health issues and your wife wants to be on east coast?
2- Boston – Buddy Veritek probably not coming back, Papi on way out, they spurned you out of HS making it difficult to sign?
3- Nationals – Close to home, franchise face, no protection around you, may never see playoffs?
4- Orioles – Home town team, some nice young players, face of franchise, owner unproven, may never see playoffs in AL east?
5- Yankees – Just signed CC and Burnett, plenty of young arms, Arod and Jeter for at least 5 yrs around you, always spend money to field a winner, new stadium, number retired in monument park, come back to old timers games with Donnie Baseball?
You make the call.
Now go get us in the ball park Cash and he will make the obvious choice.
per MLBTR -
SI.com’s Jon Heyman says the Yankees aren’t optimistic about signing Mark Teixeira, and “seem ready to pounce for Manny Ramirez.” He says the Yankees “love the idea of Manny.”
Heyman notes that Teixeira signing with the Red Sox would be ideal for Manny and Scott Boras, since Boston is not a possibility for Ramirez. The Angels might have heightened interest in Manny if they are unable to sign Tex.
“Biased aside, if you were Tex and the money was very close, who would you sign with looking at a 8 yr window?”
you put it that way, sounds like he’d sign with the Orioles.
If Baltimore were to get Teixeira, either Salazar, Mora or Huff would need to be traded. Huff isn’t much of a defensive player, but, gotta love that bat. He is, however a fA after 2006. Salazar could play first bas, though. He has pretty good defensive numbers at 1st base in the minors (110 games). A perfect utility guy, too, playing6 positions. Not much chance of Baltimore trading with NYY, though.
“3- Nationals – Close to home, franchise face, no protection around you, may never see playoffs?”
Ryan Zimmerman ?
Dammit people, when are you going to let go of Teixeira?!
I don’t like the notion of Teixeira signing with the Orioles.
He would make their offense really potent. Maybe even a .500 club if all their kids pan out as advertised.
That’s all we need in the AL East, another team to drain some wins away from us if the wild card spot turns out to be important.
Vlad and Beltran would have been ideal. they even had a deal worked out with vlad and he was willing to come here. it’s a shame.
cash seems to be making better decisions.
i do have a question though, any news on what brackman is doing? people seem to think he’s got great potential, but how’s his recovery going?
GreenBeret,
What makes you think any of those Orioles guys will play any better than Swisher at 1B?
He had a bad year and as Rob Neyer among others have pointed out, it was partially attributed to bad luck and playing out of position. He is a 1B, not a CF. RF, LF, MAYBE.
biases aside? that was the most biased comparison of ny and bos iv seen in a long time.
kd,
I think Brackman is coming along fine, but he is considered “RAW” as he has pitched minimally in his life. He shouldn’t be counted on breaking into the majors before 2012, apparently has a lot to learn.
Roberts
Adam Pacman Jones
Teixeria
Markakis
Millar
Huff
Weiters (eventually)
They’ll be the East Coast Rangers
“Philosophy change or not, I can’t knock the Sox for going hard after Tex.”
Absolutely. Certain players can change any team’s philosophy.
“After all, don’t we want him? Fredo put it best perhaps.”
Chris, it depends on who “we” is. Not everyone wants him. Do the Yankees want him? Who knows.
“cash seems to be making better decisions.”
We’ll see.
The proof is in the pudding, as they say, with respect to AJ.
And as much as we like the signing now, we may not be so happy with the CC signing 5 years from now.
It’s really hard to tell on some of these signings until the history has been written.
Hate to break it to you guys, but Teixeira will wind up in Boston or Anaheim, more likely Boston.
He’s using Baltimore and Washington to drive up the price tag, simple as that.
John,
you do know Millar is a free agent right?
The only way that NYY goes after Teixeira is if Hal Steinbrenner has suddenly developed a “win at all costs” attitude.
Thanks Tom. So defesively at 1B Youk and Tex are even. At 3B Lowell is better then Youk. So signing Tex actually weakens them a little defensively. Maybe CB or ? will consider analyzing the true cost of signing Tex but losing Lowell. Short and long term. Kind of like us signing Manny, but losing Matsui. Is it worth it?
Any of you who doubt the Sabathia signing are bat-poop crazy.
He may have been overpaid, but the Yankees needed him BIG TIME.
I’d be far more concerned about the Burnett signing. Could be Pavano Part II.
“Ryan Zimmerman ?”
Zimmerman’s not nearly the player many people think he is. He’s never fulfilled the promise he showed as a rookie and has actually regressed backwards from that level of play.
He’s been basically a league average player since his rookie season and hurt in 2008.
He’s not going to offer Tex any meaningful help unless he turns around his career.
Red Sox have been pining for Lars Anderson, stud 1B waiting in the wings, for years – what would they do what that guy with Tex under 8 years of control?
And what would the Yankees do with Jesus Montero? (potentially moving to 1B in 2010/2011)
Most likely Tex stays home in Md. to play for a .500 team.
Swisher in 2008 hit .198 in 71 games at 1B
He hit .243 with a .369 OBP in 70 games as a CF
“Dammit people, when are you going to let go of Teixeira?!”
Sigh. I have grave fears, Mad Prince, that this will grow legs much bigger than the Carlos Santa whine and we are going to have to be regaled with moaning and groaning for a long time to come. Every home run, every successful play at first (or conversely, any time Swisher lets a ball go by…)
Ugh, the thought of it.
“any news on what brackman is doing? people seem to think he’s got great potential, but how’s his recovery going?”
pitched a little erractically in the Hawaiian Fall Baseball League, but came out healthy which was the most important part.
Cash isn’t going 200 plus for Tex but is monitoring the situation to make sure the Yanks don’t pass on him and he goes somewhere for 160.
Not a must have unless it’s a bargain- as much as 160 million can be called a bargain!
“He shouldn’t be counted on breaking into the majors before 2012, apparently has a lot to learn.”
The Yankees should be conservative with Brackman but not THAT conservative.
“i do have a question though, any news on what brackman is doing?”
First thing you worry about with guys coming back from TJ surgery is velocity. Does it come back?
With Brackman it completely has. He was sitting 95-98 on his fastball in Hawaii and his curve ball also showed a very strong break. Scouts who saw him there also liked his change up – called it a league average looking change which is more than enough for his third pitch.
Brackman had absolutely no control in winter ball. That’s going to be the issue he faces. Often that’s the last thing to come back after surgery.
But even then Brackman doesn’t have a lot of experience pitching so it’s unclear if he can both recover his control after surgery and improve his mechanics enough to where he gains big league command.
“and will spend the next two days getting a physical and checking out places to live in the ‘burbs”
if i had CC cash-money, i would prolly select a house in a white plains suburb/neighborhood.
and if you like the mountains in the back-drop, Rockland county is nice.
Ed,
So is Pettitte, but that doesn’t stop people from penciling him into the rotation.
trisha,
I’m not sure if you agree with that statement or not, but I personally think 1B should be the least of our worries right now.
There will be a gnarly logjam at 1B in a few years…just watch: Posada, Jeter, Montero, Miranda, and god knows who else.
Cash will figure it out, but not with Teixeira.
Boras/Heyman have their feet on the accellerator to the Bronx. Fact or fantasy? http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....osts/32806
CC will end up living in Bushwick or Bed-Sty in Brooklyn.
Book it.
C.C. – come to Bergen County, NJ.
No better place on earth.
If the Yankees are interested in Manny… they have a funny way of showing it.
Are they just laying in the weeds and waiting to pounce in January? They haven’t even made him an offer.
CB,
Good points on Brackman.
This is why I don’t see him in New York until 2011 at the earliest.
Who knows though, maybe he’s a quick learner.
The Mad Prince in Pinstripes
December 16th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
GreenBeret,
What makes you think any of those Orioles guys will play any better than Swisher at 1B?
He had a bad year and as Rob Neyer among others have pointed out, it was partially attributed to bad luck and playing out of position. He is a 1B, not a CF. RF, LF, MAYBE.
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I didn’t say they were better than Swisher, but, they are an option. Swisher is actually a pretty good corner outfielder. NO MAYBE. I was only pointing out that one of the three would need to ber traded from Baltimore. Huff is making 8 mil and Mora is making 9 mil this year. Salazar is geting MLB minimum.
“CC will end up living in Bushwick or Bed-Sty in Brooklyn.”
hey, maybe he’ll personally invest all that cash into that development Ratner was trying to build to make sure LeBron comes to Brooklyn after all.
then LeBron will just share his cash with Sabathia when he arrives for the deposit.
i like tex, i think he’d be a great player for the yankees. but im also realistic, the yankees spent thier money on pitching and they intend to keep the payroll down, which excludes the kind of money tex will get.
and i have no fear that hal/cash would allow the manny circus into new yankee stadium.
the yankees will find some hitters further down the list, where its expected to be a very soft market.
i’m very down with cash’s work this year i think the 09 team is already significantly improved over last year’s team.
you just cant have everybody, not even the yankees…
“Are they just laying in the weeds and waiting to pounce in January? They haven’t even made him an offer.”
sounds like the way they got Damon, no?
with all the recruitment Damon has done to help bring players to NY, maybe Johnny is trying to sell Cashman on Manny?
you never know.
Betances/De La Rosa/Brackman/Marshall/Banuelos …. (drool)
BTW did you guys know Carlos Urena our big time 5 tool CF, I didn’t know this..but the reason he wasn’t sent to the U.S. was because he was recovering from a gun shot wound in D.R. … Damn.
CC be living in Newark, my sources are telling me.
thanks for the brackman feedbck. sj seems to be a believer in him. my understanding is that he’s an excellent athlete, so hopefully he’ll learn to trust his arm and repeat his delivery.
TurnTwo,
That’s a good point lol.
CC will live across the street from the Atlantic Yards project in order to support it and bring attention to the area.
LeBron playing in Brooklyn, CC playing in the Bronx.
Carsten Charles in Charge of our dayssss and our nightttsss
“The only way that NYY goes after Teixeira is if Hal Steinbrenner has suddenly developed a “win at all costs” attitude.”
I completely agree. This is exactly what it would take. The yankees would have to decide to throw the budget for 2009 out of the window and build a $215-220M team to sign tex while rounding out the staff and bench.
That has very little to do with Cashman at this point. It has to do with ownership.
I could only see this happenning if Hal decides that he wants a world series championship to crown off the first year in the new stadium. It would have to be a go for the jugular now kind of feeling to make the kind of investment that Tex would require.
“Are they just laying in the weeds and waiting to pounce in January? They haven’t even made him an offer.”
Why make him an offer if the Dodgers are the only team to do so and it got turned down. I’ll be shocked if he gets much more than what the Dodgers offered him, that is unless some stud goes down via injury and a team is desperate.
I also see the Angels getting involved when they miss out on Teixeira, but the Yankees are in a unique position in which they do not HAVE TO pursue him because he does not represent a need. Keeps the leverage in our court.
“The only way that NYY goes after Teixeira is if Hal Steinbrenner has suddenly developed a “win at all costs” attitude.”
And I could totally see this happening at some point when George’s health is at the point where they make ridiculous moves in an effort to get him one final ring.
“I’m not sure if you agree with that statement or not, but I personally think 1B should be the least of our worries right now.”
Couldn’t agree more.
“sounds like the way they got Damon, no?”
Big difference is Damon had no other offers to speak of. It was the Yankees offer and a pretty half-assed offer from Boston that was nearly 25% less than the Yankees. Nobody else was in on him. Hard to get into it quietly when there’s such competition.
cc, give my friend jeremie here a call, he’s got a little place you could park your stuff in while you’re stuck working in NYC every summer.
http://newyork.craigslist.org/.....89262.html
You’ve come this far…. now time to finish the deal and sign a bat. We are not complete until we get another big bat to protect A-Rod.
We only have used up $41 of our $88 million so far. What are we saving the other dollars for?
“Big difference is Damon had no other offers to speak of.”
sure, but what offer does Manny have?
the Dodgers are ‘in’ on him, but they pulled back their 2 year offer a couple weeks ago already… and nothing has come out about Manny since.
i could definitely see the Angels go after Manny if they miss out on resigning Tex, but otherwise, where else is he gonna go?
“BTW did you guys know Carlos Urena our big time 5 tool CF, I didn’t know this..but the reason he wasn’t sent to the U.S. was because he was recovering from a gun shot wound in D.R. … Damn.”
we acutally have a 5 tool player? wow, and what’s up with players getting gun shotted?
“We only have used up $41 of our $88 million so far. What are we saving the other dollars for?”
Future use is my guess, IFAs, drafts, future contract negotiations..there are many things they are probably setting it to use for.
CB
December 16th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
“The only way that NYY goes after Teixeira is if Hal Steinbrenner has suddenly developed a “win at all costs” attitude.”
I completely agree. This is exactly what it would take. The yankees would have to decide to throw the budget for 2009 out of the window and build a $215-220M team to sign tex while rounding out the staff and bench.
That has very little to do with Cashman at this point. It has to do with ownership.
I could only see this happenning if Hal decides that he wants a world series championship to crown off the first year in the new stadium. It would have to be a go for the jugular now kind of feeling to make the kind of investment that Tex would require.
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That’s the way I see it. He’d have to become George M. Steinbrenner IV. He’d need to rob from the 2010 budget to do it…when Damon, Nady and Pettitte, if signed, come off of the books. If he feels that he has a 3-4 year window to win with Rivera, Jeter and Posada, that would have to be the reason.
The market for Manny will form after Tex signs. Best case scenario for Boras, Boston signs Tex.
That way, it steers LAA to Manny, in desperate need of a big bat. Scoscia has pretty much laid the groundwork for it anyway. The Dodgers will also start to heat up talks again. The Nationals might decide to allot their Tex money towards Manny. Then there are always the Yankees who might feel they need another bat after watching Boston snatch up Tex. The SF Giants need a bat too.
The Manny market appears dry now, but as soon as Tex signs, it will heat up. Now, it may not be anything more than a bunch of 2 yr deals offered, but all you need is one desperate team and that could go to 3. It will probably come from LAA.
“we acutally have a 5 tool player? wow, and what’s up with players getting gun shotted? ”
It was an off-field altercation. D.R. is a bit ghetto too ya know
And in DSL many are called that, Kevin DeLeon, Eduardo Sosa I think Yeicok Calderon is also considered that and the 16 yr. old they signed this fall.
Manny ,Damon, and Nady as the outfield-yuck!
The only thing the Yanks can’t afford is to have their new stadium fail. That’s why it pretty obvious that they are gonna add some payroll and get another big bat.
If a bad team even thinks about signing Manny, they deserve everything they get.
He will quit at the first sign of trouble. He will HATE a place like Washington or San Fran.
He needs to go to the LA or NY teams.
NYY will hae to decide who would be more valuable to them now and in the future…Teixeira or Holliday next year. They couldn’t sign both. No way they have five 20 mil+ a year players on the team.
over/under the weeks of Hal will crack and give Cash the OK to go all out to sign Tex, and go over the suggested payroll?
Brandon,
Exactly.
There are numerous places the Yankees can spend that money, doesn’t have to be on Mark Teixeira.
Rebuilding/Reloading doesn’t necessarily take place over one offseason. Everyone needs to be patient. We’ll be competitive in 2009 with what we presently have. We have a solid bullpen, we’ll have a dominant staff, and our lineup is not as bad as many of the people on here make it out to be.
We’re no longer signing every All Star on the FA market.
Ed,
What makes you so certain that Cashman wants to pursue Teix, but ownership doesn’t? I’d guess that its the other way around. Its Cash’s show and he is being his brilliant self in holding off on Tex.
Maybe they can get Trot Nixon too.Manny,Damon,and Trot-sweet
“We only have used up $41 of our $88 million so far. What are we saving the other dollars for?”
To cover mounting debt and reduced ad revenue at YES. The economy will strike everywhere, including the Bronx.
Also seems that your forgetting a few numbers. Swisher ($5.3M), Sabathia ($23M) and Burnett ($16.2M) = $44.8M.
Additionally, Arod is on the books for $5M more. Cano is on for $3M more and Wang, Nady and Bruney are set for arb raises that will likely run close to $5M more. That’s $58M give or take a few and they still seek another starter and a major league CF.
Adam Dunn should be getting some love soon when Tex is signed.
“Brandon,
Exactly.
There are numerous places the Yankees can spend that money, doesn’t have to be on Mark Teixeira.
Rebuilding/Reloading doesn’t necessarily take place over one offseason. Everyone needs to be patient. We’ll be competitive in 2009 with what we presently have. We have a solid bullpen, we’ll have a dominant staff, and our lineup is not as bad as many of the people on here make it out to be.
We’re no longer signing every All Star on the FA market.”
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/p.....ghFive.png
“Adam Dunn should be getting some love soon when Tex is signed.”
We should be showing him love right now.
We have no Outfielders on the books for 2009… so I’d imagine they would want Holliday badly next year to pair with Jackson in the OF.
But you are right, we can only afford one of Tex/Holliday.
Sweet Lou and others:
What is so difficult to understand about the payroll situation. Many people have brought this up and rehashed it numerous times.
We have not used up only 41M of the 88M that came off the books.
Arod got a 5M raise, Cano got a 3M raise, Marte got a 4M/year deal, we took on Swisher’s 5M or so. This doesn’t even include the raises to guys like Wang, Nady, Bruney, and all of the other arbitration eligible guys.
And, on top of that, the organization does not want to top last year’s payroll so they don’t want to use all of the 88M in the first place.
I would trade Wang and Nady for a big bat.
Then plug Brackman in the rotation
Mad Prince,
I’m just saying that management will crack, it always happen. see Barry Zito and Andruw Jones. I’m one of those people that thinks Texieria will sign elsewhere, and shouldnt be signed with the Yanks at what the other teams are offering.
How is Cashman brilliant?? Please explain and don’t use the ridiculous amount of $$ that the Yankees spen in your reasoning.
Anyone else see the Rafael Furcal singing as one of the most bizarre signings recently. Not what he got or who he got it with but he had by my count 3 preliminary agreements with 2 different teams before he signed with the Braves. I readhe had a deal with the A’s, then he had a deal with the Dodgers then went back to the A’s then finally with the braves. I see that he took less money to play with the braves but it seemed he could not make up his mind. The A’s musty be ticked off.
Oh please sign Manny!!! That will be amazing, to watch Boston tremble with fear when the middle of the order comes up. I hope Anaheim gets Tex, since it will severely cut the competition for Manny and increase Cashman’s leverage. But if Boston signs Tex, I don’t think the Yanks will be willing to get into a bidding war with Moreno.
And remember…my horn can touch the sky!
The whole corner outfielder/DH/1b market will probably start to shape up once Tex signs. He is the premier position player and the teams with the most money to spend are in on it, so the whole league seems to be waiting. Except Philly and Ibanez.
I still don’t get the whole notion of Tex not being a good choice because Jeter and Posada might need to play there. Neither one hits like a 1b should on the Yankees. Maybe KC or the Marlins. They both provide good offense from the position they play, but not from those typically reserved for big bats. I could see Arod moving there down the line, but he’s a beast. The only reason it would be considered is because of loyalty and respect for their place in Yankee history. I think the team needs a real first baseman.
On a related topic, the Red Sox are not looking at upgrading from Lowell/Youkilis to Youkilis/Tex. They are looking at upgrading from cripple Lowell. I actually like the guy and he’s been one of the few Sux players I haven’t been able to really hate. They may downgrade from Lowell’s career average’s but Pukilis is better than immobile Lowell.
Heyman doing his daily lipservice for Boras.
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....osts/32806
Although if Boston does end up with Teixeira, what are the odds we counter with Manny?
Here’s to Tex signing with LAA ! Cheers!
“We should be showing him love right now.”
and where exactly are you playing Dunn?
“We should be showing him love right now.”
Cashman should get a move on it.
“I would trade Wang and Nady for a big bat.”
I’d consider it.
“Then plug Brackman in the rotation”
http://i40.tinypic.com/2w5sn6f.jpg
It would be a shame to have this great pitching staff and bullpen and get to the playoffs….
Only to lose a bunch of 2-0, 3-2, 2-1 type games once we get there because Nady/Cameron/Swisher strikeout in every big spot and A-Rod gets no protection to help him out.
“I would trade Wang and Nady for a big bat.
Then plug Brackman in the rotation”
Holy crap, that’s just… Wow. Please no more. No more!
if it were the case that the Yankees Front Office are choosing between Teixeira this year and Holliday next offseason, and pursuing Holliday over Teixeira, then that is a mistake.
Boston is on the ropes for $18M of salary for Lugo and $24M of salary for Lowell and they can’t move either one.
Youkilis and Papelbon will win big in their arbitration cases. Jason Bay will be a FA after 2009 and nobody on the farm to replace him.
And John Henry wants to pay $25M per for Teixeira?
Since when did he become a Saudi oil minister ?
“Here’s to Tex signing with LAA ! Cheers!”
…or with the Nationals.
NITRO, they’d have more than 140 million tied up in 6 players if you include Burnett. Add in Rivera and Posada and you have nearly 170 mil. No team including the Yanks could handle that.
“cc, give my friend jeremie here a call, he’s got a little place you could park your stuff in while you’re stuck working in NYC every summer.
http://newyork.craigslist.org/.....89262.html”
Haha, that bathtub looks way too small for CC
lol @ those talking about rebuilding
hilarious
LOL at people lol that I really don’t give a damn about.
Teixiera is a better player than Holliday and plays a more premium position.
I would pray that Cashman isin’t thinking like that when it comes to Tex/Holliday… to pass on the superior player to get the inferior player a year later.
“How is Cashman brilliant?? Please explain and don’t use the ridiculous amount of $$ that the Yankees spen in your reasoning.”
He’s not. But he’s done some good things this year. The Swisher trade was excellent. The more we see, the more we see his arbitration calls have panned out. He got his primary target in the FA market. Aside from Tabata, he has not moved any of his better prospects. Those are all good things.
Now, he has waaaaaay more resources than any other GM in the game. Because of that, it’s hard to see where he fits in the MLB GM hierarchy. My guess though, is that it’s somewhere in the 10-12 range.
“LOL at people lol that I really don’t give a damn about.”
burn!
Tex:
sign with the Nationals.
Coming up on YES TV Thursday is the latest Hot Stove broadcast at 6:30 PM and 10:30 PM, EST.
The rebuilding job last year was an epic fail
This is much more like it. Yankees are back!
Texeria is and always has been on the radar…..Greta chance to lock up that position with the second best 1b in the game…….It’s all been said before……
boston will not allow themselves to be outbid for texeria
washington can try, but boston will prevail.
boras wants tex in boston too, that way he can bring LAA/NYY into the manny sweepstakes. don’t be surprised if boras orchestrates the signing himself, a package deal with him and varitek.
boras is a clown, but he is smart and manipulative, he is thinking 10 steps ahead. as long as boston is in the ballpark, boras will make sure they get tex
Aftenoon, Pat M.
I had a question for you from your morning post.
Forwarded from “Gifts Are Coming” thread about 4 threads back.
PAT M.
December 16th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Every piece written about Texeria re-signing with the Angels always has an attachment about the Yanks lurking in the shadows…..That was Ken Forsch’s comments a few weeks ago also during a round of golf at Peeble Beach…..Maybe they’re just waiting to see how everything goes and then they make a last minute pitch to Boras…..Who really knows for certain, Cashman plays this game of being coy rather well……Pettite will come back for a year I believe….Split the difference 12-13 mil…..
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Morning,Pat. Does Bob Forsch golf with you guys? Those two brothers were outstanding pitchers.
I saw where somebody let it slip that 21 mil a year wasn’t enough to get Teixeira. They maybe looking at close to Alex Rodriguez money. I don’t know who would have put that out. It surely couldn’t have been the normally close-lipped Boras.
As far as Pettitte goes, I don’t really see a rush. I assume that Cashman asked for a decision before Christmas, though. I just don’t see NYY chasing Lowe and Sheets, but, going inside the organization for the 5th starter, but, doubtful that it will be Hughes before mid-season.
per Boras mouthpiece (Heyman)
Tex is not expected to go to Washington
if/when Washington does not get Texeria, they will attempt to sign Orlando Hudson and Adam Dunn.
Boston isn’t paying 22-25 mil for Teixeira and then 10 mil a year for 2 years for Varitek.
if Diaw/Raja enter manhat, will have to pull for the Diantoni and the Knicks.
“per Boras mouthpiece (Heyman)
Tex is not expected to go to Washington
if/when Washington does not get Texeria, they will attempt to sign Orlando Hudson and Adam Dunn.”
Heyman trying to spin, spin, spin !
Wang is not getting traded! They’re not building the best rotation in baseball so that they can turn around and dismantle it.
GreenBeret7
December 16th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
CB
December 16th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
“The only way that NYY goes after Teixeira is if Hal Steinbrenner has suddenly developed a “win at all costs” attitude.”
I completely agree. This is exactly what it would take. The yankees would have to decide to throw the budget for 2009 out of the window and build a $215-220M team to sign tex while rounding out the staff and bench.
That has very little to do with Cashman at this point. It has to do with ownership.
I could only see this happenning if Hal decides that he wants a world series championship to crown off the first year in the new stadium. It would have to be a go for the jugular now kind of feeling to make the kind of investment that Tex would require.
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That’s the way I see it. He’d have to become George M. Steinbrenner IV. He’d need to rob from the 2010 budget to do it…when Damon, Nady and Pettitte, if signed, come off of the books. If he feels that he has a 3-4 year window to win with Rivera, Jeter and Posada, that would have to be the reason.
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So many valid reasons to sign Tex.
I would take Manny if we don’t get Tex but why would the Yanks do that?
If we are going to spend 20mm plus for a bat why would you not go after Tex first?
When I hear Heyman say they don’t want to spend that much on Tex but would be in on Manny, it makes no sense. He is referring to long term money which is still annual money anyway you look at it.
Yes it is a long term commitment but at least 4 other teams are in on him and more would be if they could afford him.
We will be looking at him long term like Beltran if we don’t sign him. If Swisher doesn’t hit well we will be pissed this year in a transitional year that we must do well.
It just makes so much sense to be in on Tex and as I have stated I believe he would want to play with us before Boston or LA. If he goes to the Nats or O’s so be it.
“Wang is not getting traded! They’re not building the best rotation in baseball so that they can turn around and dismantle it.”
Relax Nick we’re brain storming here.
Brainstorming? That’s debatable!
“Relax Nick we’re brain storming here. ”
im telling you, he’s gonna have jeter in LF and pujols behind the plate soon, u watch….
Nick, trade Wang and sign Pavano to be your new #2. It’s a win win.
Wang + Nady could net something.
I mean when the Yankees signed CC and AJ they made the Yankees top of the rotation strong in depth. What if not saying to do it ! but what if this lands you a premium 1B option like Berkman ?, A.Gonzalez ? … relax ! Not saying to do it, but the addition of CC + AJ gave us more assets to wonder about.
GB7,,,No I wasn’t at Peeble that weekend…I club member who I know was up at Peeble / Monteray for the Thanksgiving weekend …He played in the foursome and as an Angel fan he asked about the offseason and the chances of retaing Texeria…..Forsch said that they ( Angel Front Office ) felt that the Yanks would be a party that would be a competitor for Texeria…….I guess all teams are concerned that the Yanks are always in the mix when quality FA’s are on the market…..
CB
regarding the win at all cost philosophy, what is wrong with that? why can’t we have a payroll of 220 mill?
Of course I’m relaxed, none of that is going to happen.
the entire yankees front office could be on retreat at a monastary outside katmandu and people would still insist the yankees are in on every free agent for the rest of the winter.
“but what if this lands you a premium 1B option like Berkman ?, A.Gonzalez ?”
It doesn’t.
joltin joe, why stop at 220? why not 320?
what difference is it to you what the yanks spend? why should we feel guilty, we are playing by the rules, no salary cap here
PAT M.
December 16th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
GB7,,,No I wasn’t at Peeble that weekend…I club member who I know was up at Peeble / Monteray for the Thanksgiving weekend …He played in the foursome and as an Angel fan he asked about the offseason and the chances of retaing Texeria…..Forsch said that they ( Angel Front Office ) felt that the Yanks would be a party that would be a competitor for Texeria…….I guess all teams are concerned that the Yanks are always in the mix when quality FA’s are on the market…..
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My error, PAT. I misread it and thought it said you were there. Still pretty heady company you keep….knowing somebody that’s allowed to pay at Pebble Beach without having to sign over their firstborn. The only people that I’d know were the ones that would sneak in at night to steal golf balls to resell.
really, we make money, we spend money…better than these teams that take our luxury tax and pocket it….don’t fall for the guilt trip all the loser teams fans guilt us with.
Sign Tex reasons:
1- Defense at first
2- High character guy keeping us from going Manny
3- Great patient 3 hole hitter
4- Long term dependable guy at key Yankee position
5- Power and average
6- Helps win now philosophy going into new stadium
7- Gives George a better shot at another ring before he checks out
8- Another switch hitter (3) in line up and 4 if we keep Melky
9- Big bat to assist in 3 yr win window
10-Keep Boras from controlling market
11-Stick in Gammons face
13-Stick it in all anti Yankees fans faces
14-Keep from Red Sox
Don’t sign Tex reasons:
1- Too long of a commitment
2- Too much payroll in 2009
3- Because thats what we got Swisher for
4- Keep first base open for Posada,Jeter and anyone else who can’t play another position
Does this make sense?
“LOL at people lol that I really don’t give a damn about.”
I am with Brandon and the Mad Prince concerning Teixeira. I really like our chances without him and don’t think we need him.
As an aside, he looks a little too delicate to play in a real pressure situation. JUST MY OPINION COWBOYS – and cowgirls.
But I don’t want him anyway and hope the Yanks don’t make a run for him, even if he appeared to have nerves of steel!
GB7….$ 495.00 for a round…$ 599.00 a night for a one room Villa that allows you a perfered t-time and caddy….It’s tripled since I played there in the mid 90′s…..Beautiful course, but a grand plus is steep. especially since the course is going to kick yopur butt……
AT the 11th hour the Yanks swoop in and sign Tex…
Trade Wang?!! We must be bored on this blog. Cashman better get us a center fielder before we have people wanting to trade C.C. before his first pitch in pinstripes.
Yankee Ray good breakdown.
Im on the NO ON TEX group. Hes not a superstar to get superstar years and money. Now if it was Pujols, id say go for it. The offers are now at 8 years. We suffered a 7 year contract of Giambi’s that at the time was one of the most feared hitters in the game. I compare Tex to Tino. Great bat not elite, great defense but when the offense fades in 4 years we’ll be stuck with a 20 + mill mienkjljitz or Tino’s final season. Not worth it.
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