Comments on: Different paths could be taken http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/16/different-paths-could-be-taken/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:48:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: yanks61 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/16/different-paths-could-be-taken/comment-page-23/#comment-618978 yanks61 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:58:55 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5612#comment-618978 GB and others; I concur 110% regarding everything said about Mantle's brilliance as a player. I think it was Nelly Fox who said that if they had artificial turf when Mick was playing, Mantle probably would have killed a few infielders. Even on natural grass, Mantle was, in his younger days, nearly impossible to get out if he dragged a bunt from the left side. 2nd and 1b had to play him deep. All he needed to do - and he was very good at doing it - was drag the ball past the mound. His speed down to first was simply not to be believed. Did you know, by the way, that it was said that Mick actually could throw a great knuckleball? Not that he ever needed to. Mantle was a walking Greek tragedy. One of the greatest talents ever, with a body that broke down on him (of course, he didn't help the problem with his drinking and carousing.) And for the Arod haters here, by the way, in the 50's, when Mantle was putting up HOF seasons, he was booed repeatedly by fans at YS. Figures, doesn't?People in the stands who couldn't catch a little league fly ball to save their lives, booing when of the greatest players who ever lived. Don't tell me it's not true; I was there. GB and others; I concur 110% regarding everything said about Mantle’s brilliance as a player.

I think it was Nelly Fox who said that if they had artificial turf when Mick was playing, Mantle probably would have killed a few infielders.

Even on natural grass, Mantle was, in his younger days, nearly impossible to get out if he dragged a bunt from the left side. 2nd and 1b had to play him deep. All he needed to do – and he was very good at doing it – was drag the ball past the mound. His speed down to first was simply not to be believed.

Did you know, by the way, that it was said that Mick actually could throw a great knuckleball? Not that he ever needed to.

Mantle was a walking Greek tragedy. One of the greatest talents ever, with a body that broke down on him (of course, he didn’t help the problem with his drinking and carousing.)

And for the Arod haters here, by the way, in the 50′s, when Mantle was putting up HOF seasons, he was booed repeatedly by fans at YS. Figures, doesn’t?People in the stands who couldn’t catch a little league fly ball to save their lives, booing when of the greatest players who ever lived. Don’t tell me it’s not true; I was there.

]]> By: Tarheelyank http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/16/different-paths-could-be-taken/comment-page-23/#comment-618827 Tarheelyank Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:50:53 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5612#comment-618827 I can’t believe I am actually defending Manny, But here goes. We all know he's a flake of the highest order. That’s not a problem. The question is- is he a "cancer"? I for one am not going to buy into the Boston propaganda machine. Led by Baghdad Bob Gammons. The fact is HE WAS NOT HAPPY IN BOSTON. “The Red Sox don’t deserve a player like me. During my years here I’ve seen how they have mistreated other great players when they didn’t want them to try to turn the fans against them. “The Red Sox did the same with guys like Nomar Garciaparra and Pedro Martinez, and now they do the same with me. Their goal is to paint me as the bad guy. I love Boston fans, but the Red Sox don’t deserve me. I’m not talking about money. Mental peace has no price and I don’t have peace here.” Or how about Pedro- The three-time Cy Young Award winner said his new club, the New York Mets “have shown more respect in days than Boston did in seven years …” I don’t remember any talk of him being a cancer in Cleveland. He certainly wasn’t in LA. Maybe it's just the Sox front office and the city of Boston that he hates. They can annoy the hell out of me. Now, I don’t advocate quitting on your team. That's not the right way. But remember he's a flake so maybe that's his way of dealing with it. A Manny Arod duo would be something to see. Having said all that I still think Tex fills our needs a lot more then Manny. I can’t believe I am actually defending Manny, But here goes.
We all know he’s a flake of the highest order. That’s not a problem. The question is- is he a “cancer”? I for one am not going to buy into the Boston propaganda machine. Led by Baghdad Bob Gammons. The fact is HE WAS NOT HAPPY IN BOSTON.

“The Red Sox don’t deserve a player like me. During my years here I’ve seen how they have mistreated other great players when they didn’t want them to try to turn the fans against them.
“The Red Sox did the same with guys like Nomar Garciaparra and Pedro Martinez, and now they do the same with me. Their goal is to paint me as the bad guy. I love Boston fans, but the Red Sox don’t deserve me. I’m not talking about money. Mental peace has no price and I don’t have peace here.”

Or how about Pedro-
The three-time Cy Young Award winner said his new club, the New York Mets “have shown more respect in days than Boston did in seven years …”

I don’t remember any talk of him being a cancer in Cleveland. He certainly wasn’t in LA. Maybe it’s just the Sox front office and the city of Boston that he hates. They can annoy the hell out of me. Now, I don’t advocate quitting on your team. That’s not the right way. But remember he’s a flake so maybe that’s his way of dealing with it. A Manny Arod duo would be something to see. Having said all that I still think Tex fills our needs a lot more then Manny.

]]> By: Phil http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/16/different-paths-could-be-taken/comment-page-23/#comment-618823 Phil Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:48:45 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5612#comment-618823 GB7, I've seen as many hours of baseball per year of my life as you have. I wish you happy holidays, but my baseball truth will always be based on what a player actually did or didn't do, not how you or I feel about them. GB7, I’ve seen as many hours of baseball per year of my life as you have. I wish you happy holidays, but my baseball truth will always be based on what a player actually did or didn’t do, not how you or I feel about them.

]]> By: gianthinker http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/16/different-paths-could-be-taken/comment-page-23/#comment-618808 gianthinker Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:40:49 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5612#comment-618808 FG-Thats fine if you think that. I'm just saying what scouts use to say. I think he can be an above average player I really do so I wont lie to you but because numbers dont lie I cant fight you on thinking he might just not be good. I think the spark he brings and the energy he plays with when he plays shows me he can be better than you think but its fair for you to feel that way. FG-Thats fine if you think that. I’m just saying what scouts use to say. I think he can be an above average player I really do so I wont lie to you but because numbers dont lie I cant fight you on thinking he might just not be good. I think the spark he brings and the energy he plays with when he plays shows me he can be better than you think but its fair for you to feel that way.

]]> By: gianthinker http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/16/different-paths-could-be-taken/comment-page-23/#comment-618797 gianthinker Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:36:39 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5612#comment-618797 nyyfaninlaaland-nice info on Igawa and taxes, thanks! nyyfaninlaaland-nice info on Igawa and taxes, thanks!

]]> By: Fredo Corleone http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/16/different-paths-could-be-taken/comment-page-23/#comment-618792 Fredo Corleone Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:34:39 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5612#comment-618792 GT: I'm not thinking he underperformed. I just don't think he's anything special offensively. He's never been a real good Avg/OBP type anyplace he's been. Doesn't walk at all. Definitely some pop, but not 30 homer pop (20 maybe). Good speed and defense, but offensively he's a pretty ordinary stick. GT:

I’m not thinking he underperformed. I just don’t think he’s anything special offensively. He’s never been a real good Avg/OBP type anyplace he’s been. Doesn’t walk at all. Definitely some pop, but not 30 homer pop (20 maybe). Good speed and defense, but offensively he’s a pretty ordinary stick.

]]> By: gianthinker http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/16/different-paths-could-be-taken/comment-page-23/#comment-618788 gianthinker Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:33:21 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5612#comment-618788 rrrrrrr.deal=death rrrrrrr.deal=death

]]> By: nyyfaninlaaland http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/16/different-paths-could-be-taken/comment-page-23/#comment-618778 nyyfaninlaaland Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:30:35 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5612#comment-618778 Folks - if the Yanks add Cameron (or any other $10MM add), the luxury tax (40%) on that equals Igawa's salary. Igawa's salary isn't on the 40 man roster anymore, so the Yanks don't pay lux tax on it. So by adding Cameron, the Yanks are paying him and Igawa - there is no offsetting savings in that deal. Add Pettitte at $10MM and that's the $4MM for Igawa in 2010 in added tax this year. You may be pissed about paying Igawa, but moving him for Cameron saves nothing (well, to be fair, it saves about $160K - the lux tax paid on the player - Melky or Gardner - Cameron replaces). Folks – if the Yanks add Cameron (or any other $10MM add), the luxury tax (40%) on that equals Igawa’s salary. Igawa’s salary isn’t on the 40 man roster anymore, so the Yanks don’t pay lux tax on it. So by adding Cameron, the Yanks are paying him and Igawa – there is no offsetting savings in that deal. Add Pettitte at $10MM and that’s the $4MM for Igawa in 2010 in added tax this year.

You may be pissed about paying Igawa, but moving him for Cameron saves nothing (well, to be fair, it saves about $160K – the lux tax paid on the player – Melky or Gardner – Cameron replaces).

]]> By: gianthinker http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/16/different-paths-could-be-taken/comment-page-23/#comment-618769 gianthinker Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:28:29 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5612#comment-618769 oops...typo---> Did you know one of the top two causes for deal at hospitals is mis-diagnosis? Scary right? ^ l l It was suppose to say...................................death oops…typo—>

Did you know one of the top two causes for deal at hospitals is mis-diagnosis? Scary right?
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]]> By: gianthinker http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/16/different-paths-could-be-taken/comment-page-23/#comment-618751 gianthinker Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:22:04 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=5612#comment-618751 Fredo Corleone-Baldelli was (use to be) thought of as a 5-tool prospect. If we're going by the theory that he's always under performed because of illness then yes you'd be signing a POSSIBLE 5-tool CF. Doesn't mean he'll ever be that. Doesn't mean he wont. Likely, if he is healthy, he'll be an above average CF with pop from the right side. If not, he'll be the same kind of player he has been. Thats the risk. Fredo Corleone-Baldelli was (use to be) thought of as a 5-tool prospect. If we’re going by the theory that he’s always under performed because of illness then yes you’d be signing a POSSIBLE 5-tool CF. Doesn’t mean he’ll ever be that. Doesn’t mean he wont. Likely, if he is healthy, he’ll be an above average CF with pop from the right side. If not, he’ll be the same kind of player he has been. Thats the risk.

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