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		<title>By: bardos</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/18/cc-is-in-a-new-york-state-of-mind/comment-page-7/#comment-621141</link>
		<dc:creator>bardos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t know if anyone sees this comment as it is now two articles down the list, however:

ken davidoff reports that the opt out clause was CC&#039;s agents doing. another report i saw elsewhere says it was Cashman&#039;s idea to make CC feel more comfortable. What&#039;s true here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t know if anyone sees this comment as it is now two articles down the list, however:</p>
<p>ken davidoff reports that the opt out clause was CC&#8217;s agents doing. another report i saw elsewhere says it was Cashman&#8217;s idea to make CC feel more comfortable. What&#8217;s true here?</p>
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		<title>By: TeeJay</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeeJay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent interview with Hal by YES! Gotta love Hal saying Hank told him its all about &quot;pitching pitching pitching&quot;

Steinbrenner Brothers &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Jeff Wilpon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent interview with Hal by YES! Gotta love Hal saying Hank told him its all about &#8220;pitching pitching pitching&#8221;</p>
<p>Steinbrenner Brothers &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Jeff Wilpon</p>
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		<title>By: GreenBeret7</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe from Long Island 
December 18th, 2008 at 9:30 pm 
GB7 – 

I’m currently reading John Schuerholz’s book, “Built to Win”. The impression he gives is that he is a man of honor. In it, he tells one story of agreeing with Ted Simmons, at the time the GM of the Pirates, to trade Barry Bonds to the Braves. After Simmons verbally agreed to it, he backtracked hours later when Jim Leyland and the Pirates ownership wouldn’t back him on it. In a polite way, Schuerholz was clearly unhappy about how things played out. He clearly gave me the impression that you should honor your word.

You’re right – this sounds ugly.



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Yeah, and Simmons got caught in the crossfire, because he had to have gotten permission fom the owners to have traded Pittsburgh&#039;s only drawing card at that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe from Long Island<br />
December 18th, 2008 at 9:30 pm<br />
GB7 – </p>
<p>I’m currently reading John Schuerholz’s book, “Built to Win”. The impression he gives is that he is a man of honor. In it, he tells one story of agreeing with Ted Simmons, at the time the GM of the Pirates, to trade Barry Bonds to the Braves. After Simmons verbally agreed to it, he backtracked hours later when Jim Leyland and the Pirates ownership wouldn’t back him on it. In a polite way, Schuerholz was clearly unhappy about how things played out. He clearly gave me the impression that you should honor your word.</p>
<p>You’re right – this sounds ugly.</p>
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<p>Yeah, and Simmons got caught in the crossfire, because he had to have gotten permission fom the owners to have traded Pittsburgh&#8217;s only drawing card at that time.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenBeret7</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom 
December 18th, 2008 at 9:23 pm 
Has an agent ever been disciplined by MLB?


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I think so.  I remember that the NBA, NHL and NFL decertified some agents a few years ago, but, was thinking MLB has, also.  I do know that baseball threatened to decertify any agent that represented any replacement player back in 1994.  Shane spencer was one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom<br />
December 18th, 2008 at 9:23 pm<br />
Has an agent ever been disciplined by MLB?</p>
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<p>I think so.  I remember that the NBA, NHL and NFL decertified some agents a few years ago, but, was thinking MLB has, also.  I do know that baseball threatened to decertify any agent that represented any replacement player back in 1994.  Shane spencer was one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Yankee Trader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yankee Trader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent new post by Sam Borden on CC and AJ.</description>
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		<title>By: BD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, the 3d paragraph of my last post is supposed to be the FINAL paragraph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, the 3d paragraph of my last post is supposed to be the FINAL paragraph.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe from Long Island</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe from Long Island</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GB7 - 

I&#039;m currently reading John Schuerholz&#039;s book, &quot;Built to Win&quot;.  The impression he gives is that he is a man of honor.  In it, he tells one story of agreeing with Ted Simmons, at the time the GM of the Pirates, to trade Barry Bonds to the Braves.  After Simmons verbally agreed to it, he backtracked hours later when Jim Leyland and the Pirates ownership wouldn&#039;t back him on it.  In a polite way, Schuerholz was clearly unhappy about how things played out.  He clearly gave me the impression that you should honor your word.

You&#039;re right - this sounds ugly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GB7 &#8211; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently reading John Schuerholz&#8217;s book, &#8220;Built to Win&#8221;.  The impression he gives is that he is a man of honor.  In it, he tells one story of agreeing with Ted Simmons, at the time the GM of the Pirates, to trade Barry Bonds to the Braves.  After Simmons verbally agreed to it, he backtracked hours later when Jim Leyland and the Pirates ownership wouldn&#8217;t back him on it.  In a polite way, Schuerholz was clearly unhappy about how things played out.  He clearly gave me the impression that you should honor your word.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right &#8211; this sounds ugly.</p>
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		<title>By: BD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YankeeVIP:  Not sure how it would affect your analysis, but I can&#039;t disagree that giving up 4 runs over 9IP constitutes &quot;poor&quot; pitching.  In fact, even 5 or 6 runs scored may not be poor pitching.

Look at it this way:  Giving up 0-3 runs over 9 innings is the single-game equivalent of a Cy Young Award-level performance.  Four runs should be categorized as average at worst.   That&#039;s one thing.

I think if you adjusted for these factors, you&#039;d find there were a lot fewer than 63 poorly pitched games, and therefore a lot more than 10 games that the Yankees lost despite good or okay pitching.    

Another thing:  some of the runs you are attributing to poor pitching are undoubtedly unearned runs (unless you spent a lot more time poring through the data than your post indicates).

Finally, some runs happen on account of bad luck rather than bad pitching (bloop hits and seeing-eye singles, for example).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YankeeVIP:  Not sure how it would affect your analysis, but I can&#8217;t disagree that giving up 4 runs over 9IP constitutes &#8220;poor&#8221; pitching.  In fact, even 5 or 6 runs scored may not be poor pitching.</p>
<p>Look at it this way:  Giving up 0-3 runs over 9 innings is the single-game equivalent of a Cy Young Award-level performance.  Four runs should be categorized as average at worst.   That&#8217;s one thing.</p>
<p>I think if you adjusted for these factors, you&#8217;d find there were a lot fewer than 63 poorly pitched games, and therefore a lot more than 10 games that the Yankees lost despite good or okay pitching.    </p>
<p>Another thing:  some of the runs you are attributing to poor pitching are undoubtedly unearned runs (unless you spent a lot more time poring through the data than your post indicates).</p>
<p>Finally, some runs happen on account of bad luck rather than bad pitching (bloop hits and seeing-eye singles, for example).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has an agent ever been disciplined by MLB?</description>
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		<title>By: GreenBeret7</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenBeret7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom 
December 18th, 2008 at 9:07 pm 
That Tellem statement is interesting. 

the third point is interesting:

3. Moreover, the Baseball rules which all agents and teams operate under are clear that no deal exists between a player and a team unless and until: (i) there is a signed and executed player agreement or; (ii) the Player’s Union and the Commissioner’s office have otherwise confirmed the deal. Neither occurred here.

It seems what Furcal did was within the rules. BUT, it was unethical.

“The final point “If it serves our clients we will continue to present opportunities to the Braves, which in accordance with the rules governing Major League Baseball, the Braves must entertain.”

Do the Braves have to “entertain” Tellem’s clients?



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No, they have no obligation to talk to any players that they don&#039;t already have under contract.  Extremely unethical, yes.  Schuerholz is an honorable man, and considers handshakes and verbal agreements as a bond.  He also isn&#039;t given to idle threats.  If Atlanta has anything in way of a terms sheet ot LOI from Tellem and Furcal, this could get ugly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom<br />
December 18th, 2008 at 9:07 pm<br />
That Tellem statement is interesting. </p>
<p>the third point is interesting:</p>
<p>3. Moreover, the Baseball rules which all agents and teams operate under are clear that no deal exists between a player and a team unless and until: (i) there is a signed and executed player agreement or; (ii) the Player’s Union and the Commissioner’s office have otherwise confirmed the deal. Neither occurred here.</p>
<p>It seems what Furcal did was within the rules. BUT, it was unethical.</p>
<p>“The final point “If it serves our clients we will continue to present opportunities to the Braves, which in accordance with the rules governing Major League Baseball, the Braves must entertain.”</p>
<p>Do the Braves have to “entertain” Tellem’s clients?</p>
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<p>No, they have no obligation to talk to any players that they don&#8217;t already have under contract.  Extremely unethical, yes.  Schuerholz is an honorable man, and considers handshakes and verbal agreements as a bond.  He also isn&#8217;t given to idle threats.  If Atlanta has anything in way of a terms sheet ot LOI from Tellem and Furcal, this could get ugly.</p>
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