Contract details for Sabathia and Burnett
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 19, 2008 
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Via the Associated Press, here are the contract details for the new starters:
CC Sabathia
2009 salary: $14 million.
Signing bonus: $9 million to be paid in $3 million installments on Dec. 31, March 1 and July 31.
2010-15 salaries: $23 million.
Perks: Suite on road trips, no-trade clause, salary to be paid in semimonthly installments all year. Most players draw their salary during the regular season.
Opt-out clause: After 2011 season.
A.J. Burnett
2009-13 salaries: $16.5 million.
Perks: No-trade clause.
So…much…money!
If Sabathia is only making $14M next year, don’t the Yankees have some money to spend on a big time hitter?
can either of you guys loan me 10 bucks
What happened to the Twinkies??????????
Letter to CC,
If you give me 2% of your annual salary, I promise not to boo you….EVER!!!
Interesting.
I wonder why CC gets his first year’s pay divided up like that. I wonder what the issue is, presumably for the Yankees. Must have something to do with cash flow.
Also, why the suite? You figure you’re in a city for three days on most road trips, and spending a good portion of your time at the ballpark. It makes me think that CC is not really a go out and see the town type of guy, more a quiet, stay at home type (who just happens to go to NBA games with LeBron James).
I wonder if he’ll be sitting next to Spike at Knicks’ games?
A signing bonus is good right now, because there’s some big tax-break on bonus money this coming year.
So, he likely WANTED it like that.
I didn’t know about the tax issue. I don’t travel in those circles.
Whozat – good to hear from you. How’s it going?
CC’s 14 mil in 2009 leaves some serious wiggle room for the Yankees to add a big bat in 2009. When his salary rises to 23 mil in 2010, Matsui and Damon will be off the books.
Good for you CC ! after the way you pitched in 08′ I can’t think of anyone else who deserves that.
BTW Devin Harris = Best PG in the Eastern Conference
What will he do with all that money?
“CC’s 14 mil in 2009 leaves some serious wiggle room for the Yankees to add a big bat in 2009. ”
Not really. They’re still paying him 23 million over the course of 2009.
“What will he do with all that money?”
What would you do w/ all that money ? Build a stable home, adjust to NY ?
Stop the nonsense and sign Teixeira.
Wouldn’t it have been great if CC demanded an immediate cease and desist of YMCA and Cotten Eyed Joe?
-Stop the nonsense and sign Teixeira.-
Anyone see anything ?
Re: 14 mil for CC in 2009 + bonus
“They’re still paying him 23 million over the course of 2009.”
Why did they split up his salary? Any guesses.
re: signing Tex
No Brandon. Not a peep.
sign Adam Dunn.
-re: signing Tex-
“No Brandon. Not a peep.”
I know right.
Re: Adam Dunn
Why Adam Dunn? He’s like Giambi in slow-mo.
“Why did they split up his salary? Any guesses.”
Quoting from my own post, on this very page:
“A signing bonus is good right now, because there’s some big tax-break on bonus money this coming year.”
Lakers lose.
“Whozat – good to hear from you. How’s it going?”
Good. Going out tonight, which is nice
for the past 6 seasons, 40 home runs consistently. even when he got traded to the DBacks, he still managed to keep the streak going.
“Why Adam Dunn? He’s like Giambi in slow-mo.”
Ummmm No.
“Lakers lose.”
Wade OWNS Kobe.
BTW Devin Harris = Best PG in the Eastern Conference
umm i believe rondo also plays in the east! lol
Hey Brandon,
just curious, have you ever posted at a wrestling forum before?
Whozat – You still in California? Enjoy.
Here on LI, we got about 6 inches of snow where I live. I got home from work, expecting the predicted 2-3 inches, and saw twice that. Thank goodness for snow blowers. After about an hour of work, and a shower and glass of wine, not to mention dinner (courtesy of the mrs.), I’m feeling mighty good. Am reading John Schuerholz’ book.
Have a good night out. I look forward to reading some more of your comments here.
hmmm, Jason Kidd who? Devin Harris is the new face of the Nets.
seriously, its weird seeing the Mavs lose this bad.
“umm i believe rondo also plays in the east! lol”
Rando can’t wear his jock on a court. 41 pts. 13 ast. when has Rando shown he can do that ?
Ed. No why ?
brandon,
no reason at all. thought you might be someone i know.
Rondo recently had a triple double. Doesn’t make him the best but he is becoming a very good point guard.
Crap ! I missed SD !
“Rondo recently had a triple double. Doesn’t make him the best but he is becoming a very good point guard.”
He can’t wear his jock. Rando is a good PG but he isn’t in Devin Harris’s league.
brandon,
i’m shocked that Jeff Hardy won the title. about damn time, he’s been way over due!!!
Holy cow….can’t believe my HEAT just beat the Flakers!! I am speechless! HOLLA!!!
And held them to their lowest point total of the season too…WOW!! That game was a total slice of heaven!
Meanwhile on a baseball note, pretty damn smart of Cash to do the signing bonus/$14MM salary for 2009 move. Now we can add a bat (I hope Dunn) and by the time CC’s salary jumps drastically in 09, Matsui and Damon will be off the books, and Jackson’s low salary will be on, thereby keeping our payroll lower. Good job Cashmoney!
BBB,
you from the Orange state?
Oh, and I hate the Mavs like a flat tire, sore throat and bad hair day all rolled into one, so I loved flipping over to YES during the commericals to watch them get killed! Although I won’t give the Nets any more love than that since we have to play them tomorrow night.
But yeah, great trade, Cuban…heh
“Perks: Suite on road trips, no-trade clause, salary to be paid in semimonthly installments all year. Most players draw their salary during the regular season.”
I actually found this to be the most interesting detail. Apparently, CC likes to get paid like he’s working on a regular job. I guess it makes him feel normal.
A 170 lbs champ..meanwhile I have to hear how great John Cena is, that dude is a hip hop wanna be rock/austin. You know what I’ve been cheering for Miz/Morrison seriously I can’t remember the last time such amateur talent has actually looked very good in the ring. Almost like a young version of DX.
“Whozat – You still in California? Enjoy.”
I’ll be back on LI for xmas; hopefully the weather is tolerable on Monday when I’m scheduled to fly
“pretty damn smart of Cash to do the signing bonus/$14MM salary for 2009 move.”
It’s pretty much totally irrelevant. They’re still paying him the 9 mil this year. I don’t think it’s subject to lux tax, but if they’re concerned about spending…there’s not much of a difference.
Ed – Not from there, but lived/went to school in Miami between 2002 and 05. Which was just the right time to turn 21 and start watching the Heat games at the bar. Fell in love with them then and now there is no turning back!
CC has joined A-Rod and Jeter at the top of the elite.
Congrats!!!
“Wouldn’t it have been great if CC demanded an immediate cease and desist of YMCA and Cotten Eyed Joe?”
Didn’t someone post yesterday that AJ listens to metal? If so, we need to put him on this one immediately!
BBB,
bring it!
Brandon,
speaking of Miz and Morrison, they are going to be at MSG in 2 weeks. I’m still thinking if I wanna go there just to try to get some autographs. However, I did met Jeff Hardy, John Cena, Maria, and Ashley
couple years ago at Mohegan Sun.
“Wouldn’t it have been great if CC demanded an immediate cease and desist of YMCA and Cotten Eyed Joe?”
YES !!!
“He can’t wear his jock. Rando is a good PG but he isn’t in Devin Harris’s league.”
I do think Harris is better but I don’t think there is the huge gap between them that you suggest.
Rondo is actually more assists (7.3) than Harris (6.3)
Rondo is a better rebounder.
Rondo has a better FG (.517) than Harris (.469).
Rondo is averaging more steals per game than Harris.
I grant you Harris has a much higher average of 23 points per game compared to Rondo, but Rondo is not expected to score as much with Garnett, Allen, and Pierce on the floor.
BBB,
ahh so you are my age then. 24. i lived in florida for 2 years as well, but it was to attend high school. so we do have something else in common besides being a Yankee fan. lol
devin harris PPG: 24.1; RPG: 3.20; APG: 6.2;
rajon rondo PPG: 10.3; RPG: 4.80; APG: 7.3
obv rondo doesnt score as much but w kg, pierce, and allen he really doesnt have to. the job of a pg is to fed the ball anyway and he has grown much in the last year! i was just talkin trash a little ( cant help it lol ) but rondo is one his way to being one of the best in the league someday imo
Miz and Morrison = EPIC Winners. BE JEALOUS
No but seriously they are under 30 and getting better and better , Miz is more of a power wrestler, Morrison is more athletic instead of basic. Not bad for an MTV reject and 2 Tough Enough contestants. If this were baseball you can say they are coming up the right way.
Time to swoop in at the last minute and offer 8/$180., give Boras 24 hours to accept otherwise we will pull the offer.
Offer Tex 8/$180 and offer Manny 3/$69 and see which accepts first and go with them.
Hypothesis: Yankees pursue Baldelli for CF/DH/RF rotation. Possibly the Yanks rec. word that Baldelli’s condition was not a mitochondrial condition before the news was made public and killed the Cameron deal (crummy sentence, sorry). Any thoughts?
ray I’ll give you Lawrence Frank and I’ll bet Rando loses more value under him.
Huge, HUGE overpay on both guys.
“Miz and Morrison = EPIC Winners. BE JEALOUS”
the only thing I hate about them is their stupid entrance.
I was at the RAW when Morrison was “fired” by Bischoff. As for Miz, I think he’s like a Aston Kutcher wannabe.
-Time to swoop in at the last minute and offer 8/$180., give Boras 24 hours to-accept otherwise we will pull the offer.-
-Offer Tex 8/$180 and offer Manny 3/$69 and see which accepts first and go with them.-
LOL I heard nothing, saw nothing.
“the only thing I hate about them is their stupid entrance. I was at the RAW when Morrison was “fired” by Bischoff. As for Miz, I think he’s like a Aston Kutcher wannabe.”
Miz is the perfect heel, don’t hate on the chick magnet he’s earned his dues.
Do people realize that Swisher was the worst hitter in the AL last year among qualifiers?
Do they also realize that Nady hit .268 as a Yankee and got exposed in the AL after a couple of good weeks? He was on pace to strikeout about 150 times as a Yankee.
Posada is 37 and coming off surgery
Matsui is 35 and constantly injured and in decline
Garnder is a .230 hitter, so is Cameron. Gardner looks like he is swinging a wet newspaper and may not even hit a HR and Cameron strikes out 160 times a year.
The offense is going to be awful next year. Awful.
Brandon (Cash on Tex “Not us” , CC & AJ are Yankees!)…”Bring on Dunn and Sheets!”
December 19th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
“ray I’ll give you Lawrence Frank and I’ll bet Rando loses more value under him.”
You may very well be right Brandon. In any case I wasn’t trying to take anything away from Harris, he is an excellent player.
You guys are nuts if you think Rondo is in the same league as Harris. Harris right now is a top 5 PG in the NBA. Rondo is not even close, no matter who he plays with.
“Do people realize that Swisher was the worst hitter in the AL last year among qualifiers?”
Read his BABIP then ask this question.
“Do people realize that Swisher was the worst hitter in the AL last year among qualifiers?”
wow, judging him becasue of one bad season? i guess 4.5 p/pa doesn’t mean squat.
“Matsui is 35 and constantly injured and in decline”
Matsui only hits the DL twice in his career for the past 5 years. the first time, is his freak accident dive 2 years ago, which he rebounded fine in 2007, and the 2nd time was this year on the knees.
“Garnder is a .230 hitter, so is Cameron. Gardner looks like he is swinging a wet ”
again, juding a rookie when he hasn’t played a full season in the majors.
Newbies…
“Newbies…”
LOL, they seriously do need to study baseball 101.
whoever said the FA market may be holding up, for the 24/7 Baseball channel may be right. Apparently, it will be set to go on-air Jan 1st. The channel have the bulk of free-agency, followed by the WBC, and the beloved Harold Reynolds holding it down. Not a bad start.
Ed: I actually just turned 27 – became legal right at the beginning of my time there, lol. The Heat were kind of bad then, but you just had to love Butler & Eddie Jones, and then they drafted Wade and it was on from there.
I have a feeling tomorrow’s game will be over before it even starts; between the tightness of our game tonight, the flight, and all the unused-to-doubleheaders we’re relying on, you guys should take care of us easily. But I’ll take that one w/a grain of salt since we beat the bad guys tonight!
brandon, vinny:
http://sports.espn.go.com/vide.....id=3775962
I seriously like that 2nd pic.
I’m definitely in favor of Baldelli in center (splitting time with Gardner so as to keep him fresh) but if that doesn’t work out, I’d look towards trading for CF Jody Gerut from the Padres as a second option. He’s injury prone too, but plays good defense and would most likely come pretty cheap.
Guard,
Aside from Swisher/Matsui… your post was 100% spot on. I think people are in for a rude awakening.
http://assets.espn.go.com/medi.....00x450.jpg
Punch him Nick !
ESPN = Epic Fail ..
According to Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle, the A’s may begin discussing a contract with Jason Giambi early next week. She says Giambi is looking for a three-year deal, but the A’s will probably top out at two years with an option. The Rays are also known to have interest.
-MLBTR
————–
The Giambino goes home.
“I seriously like that 2nd pic”
thank you Brooklyn Ed. : )
dayum. This new info/screens came out of no where. Normally, Operation Sports have the exclusive info on this title.
the screens? Is it live, or is it MLB the Show!? Beautiful.
this developer team works their @ss off every year, with no fails. By the way, i hope weather elements make it in the game this year (including rainouts and a tarp)
Vinny,
how you know that’s my tag from RAB? lol. I seriously can’t wait for MLB 09, 40 man roster expansion. about time.
btw, is that Jorge and Melk (in the same pic) ?
..oh yeah, yeah those are screen shots.
vinny.
yep. Swisher, Posada, and Melky.
“how you know that’s my tag from RAB? lol. I seriously can’t wait for MLB 09, 40 man roster expansion. about time”
checked the Mike A/RAB transcript, a minute ago. Cannot be more then 1 ‘Ed’ pimping Nick the Stick in the #3 hole.
: )
vinny,
LOL hahahas, true that.
“yep. Swisher, Posada, and Melky”
crazy. Photo-real. Detected it was Jorge, based on his body posture. Before even looking at the jersey #
has anyone ever been to Mauritius? I’m trying to go there. Let me know if you have any info. Tx.
ARod Fan,
http://www.mauritius.net/index.php
that should help.
well if the MLB game doesn’t have the Westminster Chime, it will now.
booo no Yankee news.
vinny,
the new stadium looks sweeeet. think about, when the game comes out in march, we “would” be playing inside the new stadium while the real players would have to wait til April. lol
Instead of Dunn, why not just call up Shelley Duncan? If Duncan could connect, they’d be the same kind of hitter!
“the new stadium looks sweeeet. think about, when the game comes out in march, we “would” be playing inside the new stadium while the real players would have to wait til April”
lol
http://www.operationsports.com/preview.php?id=57
Brian Cashman’s new game, look like it may be addicting.
vinny,
if i get my hands on that game, who knows what i might do. lol like trading Jose Veras for Josh Hamiliton.
Swisher in April: 90 ABs, 22 BBs, 22 SOs
Swisher in Sept: 61 ABs, 6 BBs, 22 SOs
The moral: when pitchers figure out that you stink, they stop walking you. He’s going to have to prove himself again or he’s not going to get walked at his historical rate.
“if i get my hands on that game, who knows what i might do. lol like trading Jose Veras for Josh Hamiliton”
lol. It will be interesting to see what level of trade-logic/Trade AI, this title will have. Important, as it is the type of feature which could make or break it.
at least, this game would give people on this blog a chance to actually make the signings (and trades) they ‘campaign’ for. cough*Nick Johnson*cough : )
by the way, below is a link of the MLB 09 The Show, discussion:
http://www.operationsports.com.....games.html
Just read something that said Doc Ellis died at 63 ….
“at least, this game would give people on this blog a chance to actually make the signings (and trades) they ‘campaign’ for. cough*Nick Johnson*cough ”
LOL, i been doing that on my “2009″ season.
Here is what confuses me about Giambi:
Wasn’t Giambi the 3rd highest paid player in mlb last year?
So, now that his contract is over, the two teams that have interest are the Rays and the A’s, the 2nd and 3rd lowest payroll teams in mlb.
ok, so his value has dropped. but, i still don’t think that his value has gone down that far, and this just doesn’t make any sense to me. giambi was still extremely productive this year.
its his (giambis) defense at the position that was the big issue. he hit .247 w 32 hrs. swisher had a bad avg year last year ( well actually it was horrible) but is believed to be a much better talent than that. he also hit 24 hrs last year and plays much better d AND we got him for peanuts! not to mention hes younger which is the direction this club needs to start heading in
jeez MLB 09 looks sick..cant wait for this gmae
giants fans, check on giants.com it should get u pumped for sunday!!
rotoworld.com
People familiar with the talks told SI.com’s Jon Heyman that agent Scott Boras is in discussions with the Angels and Yankees regarding Mark Teixeira.
“People familiar with the talks told SI.com’s Jon Heyman that agent Scott Boras is in discussions with the Angels and Yankees regarding Mark Teixeira”
says Heyman (aka Scott Boras mouthpiece)
This sick Teixeira kabuki dance must end.
Heyman and the Olney/Gammons team are off on their numbers.
The SI guy says $180M from Boston. The ESPN guys say $165-170. The ESPN number sounds more in line with what Boston would offer.
getting sick of Boras and Teixeira
I’m getting sick of John Henry not being a factor. It’s just sad.
Mets are waiting for Tex to sign because apparently Boras can’t focus on more than one thing. They want to look at Lowe and Perez.
Oops. I left Napa.
It must be great to be the lamest free agent represented by Boras.
CC & AJ looked like they were modeling for a catalog. They both posed with their arm on the other’s shoulder. They look very comfortable together (in a platonic way).
I missed the whole flap about the ladies wear. Wasn’t a big deal. Casual was okay, it was about the men. I agree with Doreen, given the enormity of the situation I would of dressed up a little.
I do have to say one thing. Purple satin?!?
Anyways, I love the Macy’s parade story and the two families look like they’ll fit in just fine.
Nick,
Why a kabuiki dance? I think a rain dance is the better analogy. Boras trying to make it rain for Tex.
Mrs. Aceves was dressed appropriately for her photo.
Goodnight mel and the greater LoHud Yankee blog community.
Some have suggested the Yankees are **merely monitoring** the Teixeira situation since he’s Boston’s top priority, and **there’s no concrete evidence they’ve outbid the Red Sox yet**. Although, the sides were believed to be discussing parameters on Friday, and the **Yankees also know that if they steal Teixeira from Boston they’ve clinched the winter in a landslide.**
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....ref=fromSI
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in another words, Teixeira would pull a Beltran for the Yanks. Heyman did said pull a Beltran on the FAN. then again, Heyman is Bora’s mouthpiece.
With a chance to back CC, AJ, Wang, & Joba, I’d pull a Beltran. Less years, higher AAV. Then the Orioles might actually be good in 6 years.
Mel,
we see about that. the only threat on the O’s lineup is Roberts, his speed kills. lol
“If the Yankees want him, why not?” Rivera said. “He’s one of the best, if not the best righthanded hitter there is. The most important thing is, we’ll put a good lineup in and see what happens.”
-Mariano River, December 2008 (not December 2007)
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....2550.story
Teixeira comment—
I keep reading people who dont want to see the Yanks get into the Teixeira bidding say he’s not worth Arod money. It’s bothering me. First of all, who is? Arod shouldn’t even be making that much money and he’ll be the best hitter of all time when its done. What these guys make is ridiculous. That being said, its all monopoly money. Who cares? You’re not paying it. In fact, if you want to say you ARE paying it by buying tickets, beer, jerseys and such FINE. Why wouldn’t you want the best product out on the field then? If you’re paying them all that money to see them why wouldn’t you want the best version possible?
I could go on and on about that but what I’m really wondering is how any Yankee fan can say $20-$25 Million a year is too much for Teixeira. Is it a stupid amount of money? Yes, obviously. But my question is HOW can we think paying Giambi $21 Million a year was okay when he cant throw, is slow and is basically a full time DH and then turn around and say we cant possible spend around the same or a few million more a year to have a power hitting, switch hitting, gold glove award winning 1B–who grew up like a lot of us did (I know I did) idolizing Donnie Baseball–isn’t worth the investment?
…Sorry I know that was a long run on sentence but that really been bothering me. People want to throw $25 per year at Manny to be a JOKE of an OF or a DH and deal with his crap but not spend the same on a 28 year old guy who could be an all star for the next decade (maybe not that long but 7-8 yrs) as a key position WITH AN OPENING?!?! I just dont get it.
Mariano doesn’t go by “River” anymore. That should be “Rivera”.
I have no idea why there’s a line through that Donnie Baseball line but act like its not there and read it anyway…
The Yanks are not in on Teixeira.
This is the same organization that was perfectly content with letting Teixeira go to the Red Sox the other night.
They heard all the same stories we did about Theo and Co. going to Texas to meet with Teieira and didn’t even bother to make an offer to him.
If they were in on him when his price tag was believed to be in the $20M/yr range – they sure as hell aren’t in on him when it appears his price tag is now closer to $25M/yr.
It’s not going to happen. People need to stop getting their hopes up and pay attention to what’s actually going on.
The Yanks have shown very little to no interest in signing Teixeira since the day Sabathia agreed to a deal.
gianthinker,
Any text between two hyphens will be “strike through”. Brandon uses it like an English teacher uses a red pen to grade papers. Way too much!
gianthinker,
Teixeira is absolutely not worth that kind of cheese. C’mon, the guy is good, but he’s no A-Rod or Pujols and never will be.
If he wants the third biggest contract in MLB history, he should at least be one of the 10 best players. He’s not.
And the big huge deal to Giambi is a very good reason why the Yanks need to learn from their mistakes and not invest that kind of money into a position that should probably be reserved for future use by Posada, Jeter, and/or A-Rod.
Those guys can’t play their current position forever and will have to move to another position sooner or later.
They all can’t be DHs – so that probably leaves 1B as a likely destination.
Viper,
You’re right, we don’t need Teixeira specifically. But we do need a real 1B. Swisher is adequate enough to fill the position for now.
We’ve suffered too many years with inept fielder(s) at the position.
Spending a ton on pitching and Tex’s market value might be factors in the Yankees reluctance to go all in on Tex. But there’s no way they’re holding the position open for veteran, DH types who can’t field any other position.
Viper is Cashmoneys assistant….you dont know jack
Ed, enlighten me on what “Teixeira would pull a Beltran for the Yanks.” means. What did Beltran do that is “Pulling a Beltran”? Did he sign for less money or somethin? Im curious.
mel,
Their first baseman next season is Swisher. They didn’t trade for him to have him sit on the bench or play CF.
They traded or him to be their everyday first baseman.
I’m sure they will continue to tweak the roster from now until October of ’09 but there’s never been any evidence at all that they’ve shown any real interest in Teixeira.
If they were legitimately interested, you’d think they would have at least made him an offer but they haven’t even done that.
Viper,
I agreed that we don’t *have* to have Tex. I’m just saying that holding 1B open as a place to put veterans out to pasture is NOT a reason they’re not actively pursuing Tex.
I’d rather have a good defensive player than Jason Giambi or other hackjob at 1B anyday.
“Mr. Fox December 20th, 2008 at 4:18 am
Ed, enlighten me on what “Teixeira would pull a Beltran for the Yanks.” means. What did Beltran do that is “Pulling a Beltran”? Did he sign for less money or somethin? Im curious.”
Beltran would have signed with the Yankees for less money.
mel,
It’s certainly not the only reason by any means but it’s one that is real.
That and the fact that they don’t want to tie up another position player to 8 years and nearly $200M.
They also want to lower the payroll from last season – something they’ve made clear several times before and after Sabathia and Burnett agreed to deals.
It’s obvious they intend to stick to that plan.
Mel, were you aware that the Hawaiian Winter League will not be in operation next season. MLB did not renew their contract.
Here is an interesting site I just found on minor league news for the Yanks. Pay attention to a power hitting outfielder named Edwar Gonzales and a power hitting right handed hitting 1st baseman that NYY just signed out of the Mexican league, being assigned to Trenton AA. Gonzales will be in Scranton. They are a bit older than prospects normally are, but, if they can help at all, why not?
http://www.zimbio.com/Major+Le.....all+Report
“OF Edwar Gonzalez
Should be a significant relief for fans who followed Gonzalez through his breakout 2008 season. Having never before hit more than 10 home runs and having hit for an average better than .275 only once, Gonzalez went nuts with a .292 average, 20 home runs and 42 doubles between Tampa and Trenton. He’d never played above High-A, but forced an early season call-up to Trenton and hit .295 with 14 homers.
A free agent based on the fact he signed way back in 2002, re-signing makes a lot of sense for Gonzalez and the Yankees. Gonzalez clearly made an impression last season, and the Yankees are thin in the outfield in the upper levels. Could certainly push for a spot in Triple-A. By the way, I stole this Gonzalez picture from Mike Ashmore without his expressed written permission. Sorry Mike.
1B Jorge Vazquez
Had to look this guy up because I’d never heard of him, and there’s a good reason for that. Vazquez will be 27 on opening day and he’s spent the past 10 years in the Mexican League. His numbers in Mexico are impressive, including a .339 average with 18 home runs this season. It was his seventh straight year with double-digit homers and his fifth straight year with a batting average above .320. His on-base percentage has hovered close to or above .400. He also has limited experience at third.
Not sure what the plan will be for Vazquez, but Alfredo Aceves seems to have taught the Yankees to take the Mexican League seriously. I’m wondering if Vazquez could be a right-handed platoon partner for Kevin Smith in Trenton, but that’s pure speculation.”
Thank God he is getting paid throughout the year. How would he survive otherwise.
“I agreed that we don’t have to have Tex. I’m just saying that holding 1B open as a place to put veterans out to pasture is NOT a reason they’re not actively pursuing Tex”
Mel: easier said then done, when you have multiple aging players locked to expensive long-term contracts (Posada, Jeter, Arod), and will have no place to play. And tho Jeter’s contract will be off the books soon, i expect NYY will wish to retain him.
Do you know why we haven’t made an offer to Tex? I know you think you do, but you really don’t.
As I said, Mrs. Tex can’t stand to live in Boston..
There is so much more going on that you can speculate all you want, but until you have all the facts you are just making yourself look silly..
Tex may still become a Yankee. Stop believing everything you read in the media.. There is much more to the story why Tex didn’t sign with the sox the other night..
Did you also see that the Sox requested the meeting? Heh.
according to gammons, the sox went expecting to close a deal at the $165M to $170M and were told they were $24M short. so we’re looking at $195M ante to get in the game.
i like tex but i can certainly understand any club, yankees included, who dont want to go there.
Well, that is what Boras said it would take to get Tex to Boston.. it does not mean that this what it will finally take to obtain Tex, Boras knows he is at the end stage of an agreement.. did someone offer this type of money already? Possibly, but there is not any inclination whatsoever that it’s not just Boras sales tactics.
Tex is still undecided whether or not he wants to play for the Sox, although he does prefer an east coast (contender) his preference remains the Yankees.
Again, Tex did not request this meeting, the sox did. The only meeting that Tex requested was one with Cashman.. which makes it even more peculiar.
Cash wants Tex as does many in the Yankees front office, but they are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing to not inflate or stir a bidding war.
I know for a fact that the Yankees have a max number/years in mind and if they can obtain Tex for that (If Boras, contacts the Yankees) they will.. they may end up losing Tex because of standing his ground, but Tex does have something to work with here.. It’s on Tex to decide and trust me when I tell you, he has not ruled out the Yankees and it is something that he would really like to do..
What I am saying is, it is not as cut & dry as everyone thinks.. the yankees have a plan that may lead to signing Tex, it may not if Tex is chasing the last penny.
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If you still think Teixeira will sign with the Yankees, you are delusional. IT will be a minimum of $180 million. Do you really think the Yankees can afford to commit $420 million in the space of two weeks?
Patrick
Why do people act as though the money is being spent all at once?
250 million so far on two pitchers it’s not as though they paid them both in full up front.
Patrick, as you see the creativity in Pete’s post regarding CC, there are many ways to be creative. You’re missing the boat here.. no one is saying anything other than Don’t rule the Yankees out in Tex running..
There was a post recently by one of the networks.. “If you rule out the Yankees regarding ANY FA, you’re just stupid”.
It’s much more than wishful thinking.. Yankees have a very good shot still. It’s all about Tex right now and what he can get Boras to do for him.. Boras is all about the highest deal.. Mark is not counting pennies as some may think.
Maybe Teixeira prefers Manhattan chowder over N.E. chowdah and that will be the difference maker in contract talks.
Lost in Tex-is,
The reason Tex ain’t coming (and count me as one who wishes he was)is that the Yanks have $159mil already committed to 14 players for ’09. Two of the 14 arent even on the roster for next year.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3782753
Waiting for Tex to sign only drives up the price on Manny no matter where Tex signs. Tex is the better play for so many obvious reasons.
We need the bat.
Swisher,Posada,Matsui,Nady,Cano – no guarantees that they will have better years. We need to protect our pitching investment with another consistent run producer.
Cash has played this thing perfect. Having met with Tex before the meetings he knew where is heart was. I’m sure he knew that no deal would be struck Thursday night as I’m sure he has been in constant contact with Boras on the negotiations, wouldn’t you?
Perfect time to strike this weekend and stick in the sox face again.
This is a must deal.
Don’t disagree there is a way to sign Tex. To do so, it would require him to leave money in the table for a deal to be structured to the Yankees liking.
Just not sure Tex will leave money on the table to sign with the Yankees. He definitely won’t do it for the Red Sox. If he was to do that, he would have signed with them the other night.
Gotta say, if it came down to chowder for me, NE would win over Manhattan everytime.
BTW, count me into the, “there is more going on than meets the eye” camp.
This just isn’t John Henry playing the leverage game. Something is going on.
Remember, at the start of this, the Red Sox had to overcome Tex’s hard feelings over his negotiations with them when he was in HS.
Different regime but, I don’t think they are going to get on his good side by leaking a story that makes the guy look like a money grabbing dog.
If Henry’s stunt the other night was strategy, it wasn’t smart. Hard for me to see Tex run back to the table to sign with the Sox now.
SJ – what do you see as happening with Tex and Manny?
Teixeira was apparantly low-balled by the Red Sox when coming out of high school and unhappy with the amount of money offered. The Red Sox then told teams he was undraftable, and going to Georgia Tech, causing him to fall to the 9th round, which angered him even more.
Teixeira also is close to his family in Maryland- his mother had cancer, his father a benign brain tumor.
Therefore I believe his preferance is the Yankees, and whether he gives the Yankees a “Beltran” deal remains to be seen. Beltran, also a Boras client, told his agent he’d take 19 million less to sign with the Yankees.
Honestly, IMO, the Yankees should not get involved with more than five years. I hope he therefore signs with the Nationals as the face of the franchise. Of course that means it’ll probably take 4-5 years for that franchise, thru the draft, trades and free agency, to be a contender.
Unless they can get creative with a contract, I really don’t think he’ll be a Yankee.
SJ44
December 20th, 2008 at 9:16 am
BTW, count me into the, “there is more going on than meets the eye” camp.
This just isn’t John Henry playing the leverage game. Something is going on.
Remember, at the start of this, the Red Sox had to overcome Tex’s hard feelings over his negotiations with them when he was in HS.
Different regime but, I don’t think they are going to get on his good side by leaking a story that makes the guy look like a money grabbing dog.
If Henry’s stunt the other night was strategy, it wasn’t smart. Hard for me to see Tex run back to the table to sign with the Sox now.
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NYY could do a 24 mil/8 year and a no trade and a mutual OPT-OUT after 4 years. If he opts out, he buys out the rest of the contract at 1.25 mil for each year. If NY wants out, they pay him 5 mil. This makes sure that they don’t lose Sabathia nad Teixeira in the same year.
“NYY could do a 24 mil/8 year and a no trade and a mutual OPT-OUT after 4 years. If he opts out, he buys out the rest of the contract at 1.25 mil for each year. If NY wants out, they pay him 5 mil. This makes sure that they don’t lose Sabathia nad Teixeira in the same year.”
Good idea. Actually CCs opt out is after 3 years. Any contracts that you know of that had similar mutual opt-out clauses?
“If you still think Teixeira will sign with the Yankees, you are delusional. IT will be a minimum of $180 million. Do you really think the Yankees can afford to commit $420 million in the space of two weeks?”
Exactly, you know what they should do if he’s serious about NY offer him 100/5 yr. or 90/4 yr. he turns it down Adios…I really don’t care
Yankee Trader
December 20th, 2008 at 9:31 am
“NYY could do a 24 mil/8 year and a no trade and a mutual OPT-OUT after 4 years. If he opts out, he buys out the rest of the contract at 1.25 mil for each year. If NY wants out, they pay him 5 mil. This makes sure that they don’t lose Sabathia nad Teixeira in the same year.”
Good idea. Actually CCs opt out is after 3 years. Any contracts that you know of that had similar mutual opt-out clauses?
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As of right now, Sabathia has the only OPT-OUT.
SJ
Do you know if signing bonuses count against payroll for luxury tax?
I know players who are relocating to a new area like them because it gives them house shopping money but wondering if the Yanks giving it somehow offsets payroll burden for this year.
pat
December 20th, 2008 at 9:35 am
SJ
Do you know if signing bonuses count against payroll for luxury tax?
I know players who are relocating to a new area like them because it gives them house shopping money but wondering if the Yanks giving it somehow offsets payroll burden for this year.
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It’s added on to the year that the bous payments are made.
GB– Where is Jorge when you need him? Wonder what his take on this 1b is. Good find by the way.
GB-7
Was asking if you know of any baseball players that have “mutual” opt outs with their teams.
The other reason, the Yankees are unlikely to get involved for more than five years is Teixeira does not fill a position of need, which is CF.
““If you still think Teixeira will sign with the Yankees, you are delusional. IT will be a minimum of $180 million.”
gammons said last night that the sox were told it would take around $195M.
Rob NY — 2009 The Road to Redemption
December 20th, 2008 at 9:38 am
GB—Where is Jorge when you need him? Wonder what his take on this 1b is. Good find by the way.
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My pleasure, Rob. Best that I can tell, NYY must have signed him a few days ago. I saw the name on the Yankee winter roster stat sheets last night and started poking around.
-gammons said last night that the sox were told it would take around $195M.-
And I still don’t care
CC
AJ
Wang
TBA
Joba
Lets Go !
Swish played 70 games at CF last year FWIW. Doubt it would be the best thing to do defensively but I’m sure the Yanks had that in mind if they were seriously considering Teix when they traded for him.
Yankee Trader
December 20th, 2008 at 9:39 am
GB-7
Was asking if you know of any baseball players that have “mutual” opt outs with their teams.
The other reason, the Yankees are unlikely to get involved for more than five years is Teixeira does not fill a position of need, which is CF.
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My guess is that almost every high profile Boras client has an OPT-OUT.
“Do you know if signing bonuses count against payroll for luxury tax?”
GB-7 answered that question. I do know that for every dollar of payroll above 162 million this next year will be taxed at 40%.
Interesting that the Yankees plan on paying CC on a 12 month term, instead of the usual 6 month term, which should allow them to invest some of the money.
By the way, if CC wants Cameron so badly, why doesn’t he offer to defer some of his upfront money to sign him? Athletes in football and basketball have done this to better their teams.
im with you there brandon
damon
jeter
arod
matsui
posada
cano
nady
swisher
gardner
with out pitching staff, we can with with this lineup. but we have to be more efficient at productive outs and moving runners. i dont think we could be worse at it than last year.
Just finished the morning aerobics (snow shoveling), and now catching up.
I tell ya, reading the last few posts on Tex and the Sox reminds me of the days of Kremlin watching. (Commissar Boras?)
I get the feeling that the $195M they say Boras threw out there to Boston sounds like a “buy now” price on E-Bay. If Boston wanted to lock up the deal Thursday, they were going to have to pay a premium. If not, their offer becomes part of the auction price for Tex’s consideration on his timetable.
If this is true then there is a deal to be had. Cash wouldn’t be talking parameters knowing what the numbers looked like Thursday unless he felt something could get done.
You don’t talk parameters with Boras unless you are in the vacinity of where Tex needs to be. Those who think we can’t commit to another high end contract are the dillusional ones. Another bat is a must need and Tex fits all around better than Manny.
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....ref=fromSI
i agree that the boras price the sent the sox packing may not be a real offer, but he never misjudges the market. he may have been bluffing, but only b/c he knows that’s where the bidding will end.
hate the guy all you want but respect his ability.
they could get VERY creative with Tex.
One example: 8 years/170. 12 million in signing bonuses spread out over 4 years. Another 12 million in deferred money, spread out over ages 40-45 (sort of a “retirement fund”).
That brings today’s value of the contract to 8/136 or 17 million AAV. IMO, more in line with what it would be.
To get creative, it takes both parties wanting each other.
Once CC told the Yankees, “I’m in”, they got creative.
If Tex ever told the Yankees the same, they could get creative.
It would have to come from him though. If it comes from the Yankees, Boras takes them through the coals. The Yankees won’t put themselves in that spot again with Boras. Especially after the Gerrit Cole fiasco.
If Tex ever told the Yankees, “I’m in”, they can me creative
Y’s Guy Go Nats, Sign Tex!!!
December 20th, 2008 at 9:46 am
im with you there brandon
damon
jeter
arod
matsui
posada
cano
nady
swisher
gardner
with out pitching staff, we can with with this lineup. but we have to be more efficient at productive outs and moving runners. i dont think we could be worse at it than last year.
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After the 3 hole I see a lot of soft outs and dbl plays. Even Tex doesn’t guarantee anything but it is a huge lift to the line up sliding everyone down a spot. Trade Nady.
John Heyman Boras PR spin machine…I still don’t care. Seriously 100/5 90/4 either that or Adios Tex !
Aramis Ramirez, A.J. Burnett, J.D. Drew, A-Rod. These are some of the players that have or had OPT-OUTs.
Yankee Trader
December 20th, 2008 at 9:39 am
GB-7
Was asking if you know of any baseball players that have “mutual” opt outs with their teams.
The other reason, the Yankees are unlikely to get involved for more than five years is Teixeira does not fill a position of need, which is CF.
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I doubt that anybody has had that type of OPT-OUT, but, it is a creative way to protect both parties.
Maybe they split his money into semi-monthly payments because he doesn’t know how to spend it right and needs someone to force him into a more regular salary. That or it’s the Yankees who wanted more money to be paid towards the end of the year. This makes it in effect less cash to be paid out because of the time value of money (ie they earn interest on it or they can invest it into other things)
im wondering if the yankees might look to buy out cc’s opt-out if his first 2 years go well.
i really think cc wants to be here for the whole contract and if by chance we were to win the WS in 2010, it might be the time to lock in the last 4 seasons for a reasonable raise over the $884,615.38 payroll check he’ll be cashing every two weeks starting next season.
RECAP:
a) Tex Prefers east coast
b) Mrs. Tex doesn’t like Boston
c) Boston/Tex have relationship issues
d)Tex hero is Donnie Baseball
e) Tex has always wanted to wear pinstripes since he was a kid
f) Tex requested 1 meeting, it was with Yankees (Cash)
and I will have some more info around 2PM
gotta go feed the kids now.
Sorry for the errors. Typing on my iPhone and it’s early morning in Seattle. A deadly combination.
Not a lot players in game have opt outs. They are rare clauses because they aren’t team friendly.
Pat,
No idea what will happen with Manny. Tex? Can’t see Anaheim losing jim over money. If they lose him over geography, it’s one thing. Can’t see them not being the highest bidder for him.
“Once CC told the Yankees, “I’m in”, they got creative.
If Tex ever told the Yankees the same, they could get creative.”
SJ44- they did get creative by offering the signing bonus and spreading the payments over 12 months, but to entice him not to opt out, it would have helped to have deferred money, payable in increasing increments over the life of the contract.
SJ44
December 20th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Sorry for the errors. Typing on my iPhone and it’s early morning in Seattle. A deadly combination.
Not a lot players in game have opt outs. They are rare clauses because they aren’t team friendly.
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I’ve tried that excuse before, but, nobody believed me. They all came to the realization that I just couldn’t type or spell.
SJ– Iphone question, is there any way to scroll down more quickly while you’re surfing the blog? It’s always such a pain (literally) to get to the bottom of the page by flicking my finger when there are a couple of hundred comments.
i think the yankees try to avoid back-loaded and deferred payments on big contracts is to keep future obligations low and keep thier franchise valuation and salability as high as possible. also consider that by doing that, they can more easily adjust thier payroll spending to match revenues were they to hit a few bad seasons and ticket sales/ cable money lag. they have the revenue right now, they spend it right now.
the yankees current buisness model is based on having the highest revenue and the highest payroll, paying up front gives them the best chance to continue playing the game that way.
Yankee Trader
December 20th, 2008 at 10:02 am
“Once CC told the Yankees, “I’m in”, they got creative.
If Tex ever told the Yankees the same, they could get creative.”
SJ44- they did get creative by offering the signing bonus and spreading the payments over 12 months, but to entice him not to opt out, it would have helped to have deferred money, payable in increasing increments over the life of the contract.
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That’s why I said something about the mutual buy out with the money kickbacks. It gives something for each team to bargain for and neither one is doing all of the giving. There are other things that can be used to protect both player and team.
Vernon Wells maybe available.
Hmmm – this contract gets bad in a couple of years.
Probably wouldn’t take much to get him as Bluejays will want to get out of that deal for $ reasons
# 7 years/$126M (2008-14)
* signed extension with Toronto 12/06
* $25.5M signing bonus (paid in 3 $8.5M installments, March 1 2008-10)
* 08:$0.5M, 09:$1.5M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M
* full no-trade clause
* Wells may opt out of contract after 2011
Here we go
wells…very interesting….. wonder if we could work out a deal with him where he promises in advance to opt-out.
those $8M paymets are a poison pill.
Vito
December 20th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Vernon Wells maybe available.
Hmmm – this contract gets bad in a couple of years.
Probably wouldn’t take much to get him as Bluejays will want to get out of that deal for $ reasons
7 years/$126M (2008-14)
* signed extension with Toronto 12/06
* $25.5M signing bonus (paid in 3 $8.5M installments, March 1 2008-10)
* 08:$0.5M, 09:$1.5M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M
* full no-trade clause
* Wells may opt out of contract after 2011
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Wells isn’t a 20 mil a year player. No deal unless Toronto is picking up a sizable chunk of money.
” Teixeira does not fill a position of need, which is CF.”
you know, considering how cashman seems to be so first based challenged in his ideas about first base with all the double and triple platoons he’s come up with over the years, i think the yankees should just eliminate the position.
think about it, the yankees could have say two center fielders instead. both damon and matsui could both play centerfield at the same time. surely they could cover more ground than the best center fielder. and this would open up a dh spot for manny so the offense would be better.
cano would be forced to cover more territory so that would keep him awake and ready for action.
and having a first baseman to receive the ball from infielders on groundballs is so over rated. pitchers just need to get their lazy butts over there on every ground ball. they will never forget to cover because they always have to cover.
all worries about sabathia gaining weight as the years go on will be eliminated.
all kidding aside, i hope swisher finally gives the yankees at least an average overall first baseman and puts the circus that’s been at first over the past few years to rest.
Vito
December 20th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Vernon Wells maybe available.
Hmmm – this contract gets bad in a couple of years.
Probably wouldn’t take much to get him as Bluejays will want to get out of that deal for $ reasons
7 years/$126M (2008-14)
* signed extension with Toronto 12/06
* $25.5M signing bonus (paid in 3 $8.5M installments, March 1 2008-10)
* 08:$0.5M, 09:$1.5M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M
* full no-trade clause
* Wells may opt out of contract after 2011
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Vito, I’ll assume you read MLBTR before your post or you are really good.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
jays would love to unload that contract on the yankees.
If the Angels don’t sign Tex, I will be very surprised.
Like the Yanks and CC, the Angels need Tex, otherwise they gave away Casey Kotchman for a half-year rental. Moreno shouldn’t lose Tex simply over money, unless he’s suddenly very short of it. I don’t know his finances, obviously, but he’s supposed to be loaded – maybe a bit less so in this market.
If the Angels lose out on Tex over money, and they actually have the money available, then that sounds like bad management to me, something I don’t associate with the Angels.
BTW the Wells is available rumor was from http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
It comes from Heyman so who knows.
Just a thought but I think Wells is too risky at those salaries. Still, if he ever puts it all together for a season – health and performance – he is a MVP candidate.
Yanks would love to extend the bird at that request.
i think moreno is beginning to like the possibility of stealing manny from the dodgers. its cheaper, it creates alot more attention. socia (sp) is at least saying he has no problem with it, and you know arte loves sticking it to the dodgers any chance he can get.
Yanks sneak Tex,
Angels get Manny,
Boston gets zero
all on 12/23 – Damon press conference anniversary
I’m good with that
I do NOT want Tex, as we would once again “win” the offseason, big whoop, until we win the real season and ring 27, this is the usual as of late off season beating of our chests only to see us deflate same come October.
-Yanks sneak Tex,-
-Angels get Manny,-
Boston gets zero
I’m good w/ this
Rob,
I haven’t figured out an easier way to scroll myself. Not sure if one even exists.
How can anyone not want Tex on their team?
Seriously.
A gold glove 1B
Power, .900+ OPS, switch hitter, in his prime at 29 around opening day.
No offense to Swisher but 1B is a gaping hole.
Yes I understand the length and average annual are too high but it’s not our money and seats and hot dogs and beer are still gonna be expensive whether we get him or not.
I don’t want to hear about how he would be blocking other players who need to rot the rest of their careers at 1B because they can’t move any more (Posada, Jeter, Dmaon, Matsui, whoever). Or how he would block some AA prospects coming along in the future. The guy is money and Swisher can play a corner position if he isn’t traded for pitching.
Manny’s fearsome bat is preferred but in every other category he is a bum vs Tex (glove, mental makeup). The team needs a real 3 hitter to complement Arod. Tex should be it.
Adama Dunn is a bum…..plain and simple and people want him on the Yankees are morons…..Have you ever watched him play for an extended amount of time?? Don’t just go by the back of his baseball card….He Stinks and is exactly the type of player the Yankees Do not want.
I find it comical that there are people on here who are actually saying the Yanks have to go after him??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME
WATCH BASEBALL PLEASE
Nice jub Nud, i agree with you
So Bob, you don’t want Tex? So your happy with Swisher at 1b and Gardner in CF???
also on Adam Dunn remember when JP riccardi said he had no heart dont think JP just made that up, he heard that around baseball and probly people within the reds organization
nud
December 20th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Adama Dunn is a bum…..plain and simple and people want him on the Yankees are morons…..Have you ever watched him play for an extended amount of time?? Don’t just go by the back of his baseball card….He Stinks and is exactly the type of player the Yankees Do not want.
I find it comical that there are people on here who are actually saying the Yanks have to go after him??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME
WATCH BASEBALL PLEASE
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Your baseball talent evaluations and people skills are right up there with Steve Phillips, Joel Sherman and Mike Lupica.
How much anyone wanna bet those last 4 posts before GB’s were from the same poster.
A day after Red Sox owner John Henry strongly suggested that he’d hit his limit with his latest bid for free-agent star first baseman Mark Teixeira, Teixiera’s agent Scott Boras was back in dialogue with the Yankees and Angels, people familiar with the talks told SI.com.
Sorry but Dunn stinks and if ya don’t know that and actually want him on this team ….well then you are a dope.
Ask Red fans about him
Listen to scouts, GM’s and people close to the game when they talk about Dunn.
He has a bad attitude, rubs people the wrong way, is NOT clutch, K’S a million times per year, clogs up the basepath and feasts on garbage pitching.
I wouldnt sign him to a 1 yr 7 mil deal
Brandon (Cash on Tex “Not us” , CC & AJ are Yankees!)…”Bring on Dunn and Sheets!”
December 20th, 2008 at 10:59 am
How much anyone wanna bet those last 4 posts before GB’s were from the same poster.
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Brandon, how do you know that all three aren’t me and I’m only trying to get my post counts up?
Hey…did you read my early morning post on NYY signing a 1st baseman from the Mexican leagues..Jorge Alfredo Vazquez? Do you have any more info on him?
nud is right look at that garbage pitcher Dunn abused
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....8203341491
Vernon Wells is intriguing. Solid five tool player when everthing is clicking and appears to enjoy sticking it to the Sox. I’d rather have him than Tex to be honest. Kennedy/Igawa/Melky. Take it or leave it JP.
GB good one, Jorge Alfredo Vazquez late 20′s a 1B from Mexico I’ll look him up.
Brandon when your heading says Bring on Sheets and Dunn it tells me all I need to know about your baseball acumen. You have little.
You want the injury prone Sheets for prob at least a 2 yr deal…ummm no way…..Pettitte is the perfect fit for the reason he will only be under contract for 1 yr with Phil ready to take his place full time in 2010 or perhaps earlier if there is an injury to the rotation.
No Way on Sheets and the Bum known as Dunn.
Brandon (Cash on Tex “Not us” , CC & AJ are Yankees!)…”Bring on Dunn and Sheets!”
December 20th, 2008 at 11:07 am
GB good one, Jorge Alfredo Vazquez late 20’s a 1B from Mexico I’ll look him up.
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Thanks, Brandon. Maybe ESPN Deportes has something, but, my Spanish is limited
it consists of tachoes and si’.
actually, it’s tacos
-Brandon when your heading says Bring on Sheets and Dunn it tells me all I need- -to know about your baseball acumen. You have little.-
-You want the injury prone Sheets for prob at least a 2 yr deal…ummm no- -way…..Pettitte is the perfect fit for the reason he will only be under contract for- -1 yr with Phil ready to take his place full time in 2010 or perhaps earlier if there is an injury to the rotation.-
-No Way on Sheets and the Bum known as Dunn.-
Your peoples skills still needs work.
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....7173145263
There’s another one of a garbage pitcher.
The Yankees obviously need another bat but if they aren’t going to go after Tex, then I would just stand pat for now after signing Pettitte and let Melky/Gardner fight it out in CF initially.
They could get a bat mid-year (Holiday, McLouth, Dye, Magglio)
Unless Cashman can get creative and trade for a impact bat right now (doubtful)
I do worry about the 3 hole. Not ARODs protection. In AROD’s best year Matsui and Jorge protected him and he did all right I think
The three hole is key. Bobby could be back if his market completely dries up
There is no way the Blue Jays are trading Vernon Wells.
Vrsce
December 20th, 2008 at 11:19 am
There is no way the Blue Jays are trading Vernon Wells.
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Depends on what the new ownership does when they take over for the late Ted Rogers.
I am in the camp that thinks Tex does not want to go to Boston for the reasons previously stated, tho Boras would prefer that since it makes for a more compelling play for Manny (Yankees vs. Angels).. ..an obvious conflict of interest situation (for Mr. B) which Tex is too smart to buy into.
Tex, IMO, wants the Yankees to be in play, as the circumstances suggest that the Bronx is his destination of preference. My guess is that he will end up in Anaheim with an opt-out after 3-4 yrs so he can have another shot for a pinstripe uniform down the line…at the age of 31 – 32, with another bite at a big apple in presumably better financial times
Given the economy and current exchange rate the blue Jays may be the hardest hit financailly over the next couple of years. Wells might be on the table however I doubt within the division.
Happy Saturday.
-dennis
GB Jorge is also a relief pitcher Mexican League seems like a power hitter from the same league Aceves came from, my guess Aceves told the Yanks about him and they’re taking a flier on him in AA to fill in for Reegie and platoon w/ Russo.
Dennis,
I agree with you that he is up for trade, but who else but the Yankees could even take on Wells contract and actually have a need in CF?
TY.
Good question. The only team I can think of in AL is potentially the White Sox as they have shed $ and have a need in CF. That could be a stretch but that is the only one I can come up with.
-dennis
Wells being injury prone + contract NTC unless it’s an Igawa/Kennedy package which JP would not want file this into the move on category.
Tex, IMO, wants the Yankees to be in play, as the circumstances suggest that the Bronx is his destination of preference. My guess is that he will end up in Anaheim with an opt-out after 3-4 yrs so he can have another shot for a pinstripe uniform down the line…at the age of 31 – 32, with another bite at a big apple in presumably better financial times
i doudt the yanks will want him in 3 years since pujols will be a free agent at the time and the yanks will most likly go after him then tex i also agree that he wants to come to yanks so this is his chance not sigining wit angels for 4 years opt out because there migt not be a spotfor him then
Dennis,
Don’t know if you caught Michael Silverman’s column today. Interesting read – not so much for what he was saying. But how he was saying it. It’s tone.
He basically is parroting the idea that losing Tex for the Sox would be a catastrophe of sorts as the line up is aging.
What’s interesting about the article is how the only options he comes up with to improve the team are all free agents this year or in the next several.
I don’t think the Sox front office is thinking like this.
But that article reminded me of the way the yankee’s have thought at some of their worst moments. The notion that only a high priced free agent who is now holding them over a barrell can save them.
Don’t know if sox fans are thinking this way. It’s a dangerous way to think and one the sox have done well to avoid.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sp.....8;srvc=rss
Brandon (Cash on Tex “Not us” , CC & AJ are Yankees!)…”Bring on Dunn and Sheets!”
December 20th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Wells being injury prone + contract NTC unless it’s an Igawa/Kennedy package which JP would not want file this into the move on category.
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20 mil a year for 5 years would be impossible for any team to pay for a center fielder. He’s a Hell of a talent, but, that’s too step even for the Yanks, even if Toronto was giving him away.
GB7
Rogers ran a communications empire (including a sports channel) not a baseball team. Wells and Halliday are the cornerstones of the Blue Jays. They may have to trade Halliday but Wells
Brandon,
Yankees have taken salary dumps from the Jays before. Raul Mondesi was acquired when Enrique Wilson made a horrific error in RF. Furthermore, I don’t think Wells would have a problem waiving his NTC to go to a perrenial contender (2008 oops).
There has never been anything anywhere that says Teixeira wants to be a Yankee. Just because he was a Mattingly fan while growing up doesn’t make it so.
“Yankees have taken salary dumps from the Jays before. Raul Mondesi was acquired when Enrique Wilson made a horrific error in RF. Furthermore, I don’t think Wells would have a problem waiving his NTC to go to a perrenial contender (2008 oops).”
Yeh I don’t see this happening JP won’t allow it and my guess is he’d want legit talent.
GB7,
$20mill x 5years is to much for a CF? But paying $23millx8-10years for what is the worst positional athlete (I’m speaking in general terms)on the baseball field is a solid descision?
“There has never been anything anywhere that says Teixeira wants to be a Yankee. Just because he was a Mattingly fan while growing up doesn’t make it so.”
He rooted for Donnie not the Yankees the guy grew uo an Orioles fan. It doesn’t matter still wouldn’t break the bank on him, w/ him or w/o him we will survive.
Vrsce
December 20th, 2008 at 11:39 am
GB7
Rogers ran a communications empire (including a sports channel) not a baseball team. Wells and Halliday are the cornerstones of the Blue Jays. They may have to trade Halliday but Wells
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Rogers was a very rich baseball fan, who had no trouble with pouring his own money back into the team. His advisors told him he was losing money, and advised him against it. He still oked the big contracts.
Ty
December 20th, 2008 at 11:46 am
GB7,
$20mill x 5years is to much for a CF? But paying $23millx8-10years for what is the worst positional athlete (I’m speaking in general terms)on the baseball field is a solid descision?
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It is for a 30 year old center coming off of 2 years that included one very bad one and an injury plagued one.
center ***fielder** coming
GB7
Rogers was a very rich baseball fan, who had no trouble with pouring his own money back into the team. His advisors told him he was losing money, and advised him against it. He still oked the big contracts.
————————————————————Rogers was not neccessarily a baseball fan and he did not fund the team from his own pocket. He was a visionary business man who saw the Jays as being a large part of his cable network. Although his successors may well cut back on the payroll, especially with the fall of the Cdn $ from 1.00 to 0.80, they will not trade the most popular star and diminish their national appeal, as that will reduce the viewership of their sports channel.
GB7,
“It is for a 30 year old center coming off of 2 years that included one very bad one and an injury plagued one.”
Agreed, but due to this fact, if JP wants to move him he would have to be ameanable to taking Igawa. Wells at $15-16mill for the next three years is well worth the risk imo.
CB.
Thanks for Silverman’s article. A decent read however I kept getting distracted by the woman to the right of Henry…
I think Tex is a tad like Palin to the Rep ticket. (this is not a political comment just a comparison in theory) It would in theory fire up the fan base.
The Yanks did it perfectly by signing to power pitchers filling a void as well as fired up the base heading into the new stadium.The Sox have roughly 40mm coming off the books and up unitl this coming year Fenway has had the most expensive ticket prices in MLB for several years. (The new Yankee stadium will be the highest in 2009) It is hard for teams like the Yanks and Sox to charge what they do for tickets and not make a splash. It is a fine line to show fiscal responsiblity and market an expensive product at the same time.
I am also a season ticket holder CB, so I started getting
excited about watching Tex play so it has clouded my judgement on whther it is a need or a nice to have…
I agree with a few posters in that if he wanted the deal done with the Sox it would have been done Thursday night.
Respectfully. -dennis
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Dennis,
I completely understand the excitement of getting a guy like Tex.
I guess what I have been struck by and was struck by in that article is what you referred to – the need to make some kind of splash in the off season.
It just reminded me of the way the yankees operate. The yankee’s budget is vastly larger, but the two teams – and the pressures they face – seem to grow more and more a like. The yankees trying to put together something of a farm system over the past few years and now the Sox chasing the big name free agent.
It’s a kind of convergence in orientation.
Ironically, it seems to me that all of the money that the Sox have coming off their books is putting much more pressure on them to spend. Given the ticket prices, I completely understand how Sox fans would be livid that the team not reinvest that money in making the club better.
But the Sox just don’t have that many immediate term needs. That’s what free agency is most useful for. The short term. I agree that the lineup needs to be restructured. I think it’ll be fine next year even without tex.
It’s a well balanced club that’s been assembled the right way. There’s not that many pressing problems. But at the same time it’s tough to justify pocketing all that money coming off the books.
For what its worth, I think the sox will still get Tex. Thursday was just a hiccup, though an odd one.
CB.
Very well said.
I am just getting a tad jealous seeing the holiday presents that Hal gave you guys this week.
I think the burnett signing is tremendous. I think he will have a monter few years. He seems ready for the stage.
-dennis
The Yanks are the only team in Baseball that reguraly give No Trade clauses in their contracts. Most teams allow 6 teams you can go to, etc. – That is why the Yanks get stuck later on. I was shocked to hear Matsui, Damon and even Pavano had a FULL no trade in their contracts. Even Jake Peavy has partial. Even Manny’s contract with the Sox when it was written had 10 teams he could go to. Also I like CC, but he had 1 other offer on the table. Did the Yanks really have to beat it by $60MM to win his loyalty?? I sure wish we could get players that want to play here rather then ones that come ONLY for the money!
Wiseman– The offer was not 60m more. It was 3m annual average value and 2 more years. I’m pretty sure that word was the Brewers had upped to 125m or were preparing to. It’s obviously about the money but if another firm in your line of work offered you more money but you had to relocate from your home would you take it? Would you make them pay you a premium to move away from your family? I would, and I don’t think that would hurt my allegiance to that office once I got there.
Here’s my current analysis of the Tex situation:
– Don’t trust John Henry’s theatric game-playing. Didn’t he do much the same with Dice-K? Emboldened by calling Boras’ bluff once, he’s trying again. The Sox I believe remain very interested.
–If I tweren’t for money (and that’s still a big if) signing Tex would be a no-brainer for the Yanks. The long deal is worrisome but it seems to me the cost of allowing Tex to go to Boston is greater. Boston now has a very solid team with a reather stacked farm system. Allowing them to get Tex allows them to trade their top prospect (Anderson) and others to land a Peavey or other mound stud. With Tex and another pitcher Boston would have arguably neutralized all Cash has accomplished this winter.
–Signing Tex would rain down a hailstorm of criticism from Yankee-haters, perhaps even igniting talk of more revenue sharing or a salary cap. That’s a tough risk to evaluate — but it is a risk.
—So here’s what I would do. I would not try to top an offer from the Nationals or even the Angels. But I would make it clear to Boras that we will match any offer from Boston. The question is whether we’d top such an offer. For now, I’d say no. Because I think (though I have no inside info on this) thar Tex wants the Yanks. Given equal offers from BOston and NY, I believe he’d choose NY.
Dennis,
I wish it weren’t so – but you guys have very few needs. Solidify the bull pen – Ramirez was a nice pick up but they still need more unless they are firm in leaving Masterson in the pen and think Bard might be ready at some point (I would not rush him however, too raw).
Tex would help, there’s no doubt. I discussed this with Brian a bit – how much would Tex mean to the sox. I sat down and figured it out in more detail based on projections.
Tex-Youkilis is around 25-30 runs better than Tex-Lowell. That’s roughly a 2.5-3 win improvement. In a division as tight as the AL East that’s a significant marginal advantage.
But if the sox were to improve the pen and get another starting pitcher who they were more sure would give above average innings – I’d guess they could improve by 2 wins that way as well.
The Sox will be fine either way … unfortunately!
Wiseman: when things are going great and you are winning the WS 4 out of 5 years, people will sign up to be a part of that run for less money or without much butt-kissing. Once your team starts floundering a bit, you sometimes need to overpay people to come play for you. The Yankees did overpay CC and didn’t need to make that kind of statement that they were hard up for pitching. But, had the Yankees offered $120 million, maybe CC just ignores any other offers from the Yankees and signs on to pitch out on the Left Coast.
CB.
I want to see Masterson in the Pen. His stuff and delivery is suited to be a reliever in my opinion.
I just can not believe if Tex does not come to Boston that Theo and co. do not have a solid back up plan. Theo seems to be pretty well prepared.
Should be an interesting few days. I believe Tex ends up an Angel.
-dennis
Dennis,
Agreed on Masterson, particularly with the platoon split that was really starting to develop on his as the year progressed. The pen is the best spot for him.
I also can’t believe Theo hasn’t gamed out what he would do should Tex fall through. But one of the tough things about dealing with Boras – he keeps stringing teams along – they can’t make many other moves because they have to budget money to the Boras client. But then other options keep coming off the board.
Boras does this on purpose as it makes teams more desperate for his player.
Right now if the sox lose Tex they could in theory sign Lowe to improve the staff. The tex talks drag on and Lowe signs however – that option is gone.
Boras drives up the opportunity cost on teams of not signing his player.
The has already happened to the Angels. I think they could have gotten CC on a reasonable deal. But they’ve been waiting on Tex. Now CC is off the table (I think this is why Cashman was so aggressive in getting CC signed and why it appeared he was “bidding against himself.” He wanted CC off the market as soon as possible and before Tex signed).
The Angels do make the most sense. I just wonder if this is a level of money that they can’t play in. Perhaps not. They desperately need him. Vlad is a full time DH now with his knees shot and that limits their ability to improve the offense.
Excellent point re: opportunity cost.
There is no one better at exposing that than Boras.
Do the Yanks dabble in the Manny talks?
-dennis
CC THOUGHT: The only other offer on the table was Milwaukee at $100MM and the last I had seen Milwaukee was not on the West Coast. The Yanks did not have to give CC the extra $60MM in sure $’s. Fantasy $’s don’t count and no way was Milwaukee going to committ to $125MM in sure $’s. Maybe the Giants would have given him $120MM over 7 years, but that was a maybe at best. Certainly not $160MM and a 3 year out. The reason the Yanks over-paid was he did not want to pitch in NYC unless he was paid a lot more then anywhere else. All I was saying is wouldn’t it have been nice if he had said he wanted to play here and did not have to be paid 60% more to play here. Plus he wants a 3 year out clause in case he doesn’t like it. This guy better win 25 games a year, he put the pressure on his own back!
Funny to see that AJ Burnett is making $16.5 mil per year when Pettitte was paid $16 mil last season. Don’t get me wrong, I love Pettitte, but I don’t think he’s a $16mil/year pitcher. More like 10-12. Almost seems like we got AJ for a good deal, that’s if he stays healthy.
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Hallo, do you think, if you make as you wrote in your blog, then something will happen? Or, you can not even try? Something like that I’ve seen this chat