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The true measure of a pitcher

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 19, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Sam Borden (who seems to have quite a future in this blog stuff), e-mailed over this leftover anecdote from yesterday:

Near the end of the Brewers season, when Milwaukee was basically pitching Sabathia every third day, his agents called Brewers GM Doug Melvin a few times. Seems they were worried about how all the extra work might affect Sabathia’s arm, possibly injuring him as he was about to become a free agent. According to Brian Cashman, Greg Genske (the agent) and his associates were saying to Melvin, “Don’t pitch him on three days rest. What are you doing?”

When Sabathia heard about these phone calls, he went into the office the next time it happened and began yelling back at his agents, “Stop calling!”

When the Yankees heard that story, they knew that was the kind of guy they wanted to add to their own team chemistry.

“He put his own situation aside for the team, trying to win a championship even though he hadn’t been there very long,” Cashman said. “That tells you what kind of guy he is. … We’re buying an extreme talent, yes, but we’re also buying an incredible personality in that clubhouse.”

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507 Responses to “The true measure of a pitcher”

  1. Steve from Bismarck December 19th, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    My kind of pitcher!

  2. Bret the Hitman December 19th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    King CC

  3. 34 Score December 19th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Love Carsten Charles

  4. Bret the Hitman December 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Let’s try to see if we can keep Manny/Tex names out of this thread.

    OK, pretend Yankees pass on both.

    What more would Cashman do to improve the team?

    Thoughts???

  5. Laura December 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    “He put his own situation aside for the team, trying to win a championship….”

    This sounds eerily similar to the sacrifices Andy Pettite has made over the years. Yet he’s only worth 10mil. Funny how that works.

  6. vin December 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Best part about that is that we (the public) never heard about it, until now. Would’ve been easy for him to come out and drop that little nugget of info to let us all realize just how great a human being he is. Way to be humble, CC. Great move, Cash.

  7. Deezer December 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Now that is a GREAT story. Too much sports reporting is speculation, lazy analysis and statements of the obvious. This is rich – keep it up.

  8. CALIBER 08 December 19th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    I like that selflessness in a player. But pitching on three days rest multiple times in a row can NOT be good for a pitcher’s body.

  9. Phil December 19th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    Laura, it’s pretty deadly to a teams finances (though most do it) to pay for past performance instead of current value.

  10. vin December 19th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    “What more would Cashman do to improve the team?

    Thoughts??”

    Simple… take the 200 million he could’ve spent on Tex and pump it into player development. No more of this Billy Beane paying more for talented young Latin players business.

  11. mel December 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    I like his big heart, too.

    I’ll be super pizzed if CC gets off to a slow start because of the that.

  12. E-Man December 19th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    good to hear.. lets hope he doesn’t need to do that here though.

  13. mel December 19th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Phil,

    The $2M difference will not be deadly for the Yankees.

    Signing Lowe to a $60M+ deal might be detrimental.

  14. Bret the Hitman December 19th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Vin,

    WHAT?!! NO MANNY OR TEX???

    j/k

  15. Chris from NJ December 19th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    Assuming Pettitte resigns, and all indications are that he will, the yankees would be wise to find a couple of good veteran bench players to add some depth to the infield. Jeter especially looks like he is going to need take a day off every now and then.

  16. ASH December 19th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Thats a tough dude, but of course we all hope there won’t be any long term affects.

  17. YankeesLuv December 19th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    Sam Borden used to do the Yankees blog for the Daily News no? If it’s the same person, I always liked his work.

  18. Kei Igawa's Sunglasses December 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    CC is a gamer. He gives you 100 percent, no doubt about it. Finally we have some real stuff in the rotation. Before it seemed everyone through 88-91 except Joba. Burnett is going to do well now that he doesn’t max out his arm on each and every pitch and lets his nasty hook and change do the talking.

  19. Laura December 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    “Laura, it’s pretty deadly to a teams finances (though most do it) to pay for past performance instead of current value.”

    That may be true. My position all along has been that Andy is worth more than 10mil. My figure is 12mil.

  20. Kei Igawa's Sunglasses December 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    I’m glad Kei Igawa is staying, he’s as close to a big game AAA pitcher you can get.

  21. mel December 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Chris,

    What indications have you heard?

    I know Pete said that it’ll probably get done before Christmas, but….

    I’d love for it to be true, but is there any confirmation (smoke signals?)

  22. wood is good December 19th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Dang! With every bit of information that comes in about CC’s character, combined with his talent, I gotta say it feels especially good to be a Yankees fan this week.

  23. Phil December 19th, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    mel,

    for whatever reason, they don’t want to pay Andy more than 10. If he doesn’t take it, we’re likely to see Hughes, Aceves and Kennedy compete for the spot. I think they’re holding Andy at 10 cause they have another big move they want to make, but who knows?

  24. Bret the Hitman December 19th, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    On bench players: I agree Chris. We especially need middle infielders. How about trading some 40-man roster surplus for Freddy Sanchez of the Pirates. He’s in the last year of his contract, had an off year and can play both middle infield positions and 3b.

  25. Sevendust December 19th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

    God, I can’t wait to finally have a horse.

    Wang is a horse, but CC takes horses to a new level.

  26. mel December 19th, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Phil,

    It does feel punitive. It’s petty IMO to draw the line at this point, it’s one last year. But at least he wasn’t insulted like Bernie was. :)

    Just give him $12M and move on.

  27. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    “We especially need middle infielders.”

    Cody Ransom says hi. how would a former batting champ would settle for a bench role? not going to happen.

  28. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    why would**

  29. Gabagoo(CC IS MY BOY) December 19th, 2008 at 2:50 pm

    vin
    December 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
    Best part about that is that we (the public) never heard about it, until now. Would’ve been easy for him to come out and drop that little nugget of info to let us all realize just how great a human being he is. Way to be humble, CC. Great move, Cash.

    actually it came public u must of not heard it duiring the playoffs cc is a special player

  30. Bret the Hitman December 19th, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    re Freddy Sanchez:

    Ed, I’m sure a former batting champ would prefer to start but he doesn’t own a no-trade clause and therefore can’t block a trade to the Yankees just because he realizes the Yankees plan to put him on the bench.

  31. Phil December 19th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    mel,

    I’m not giving him 12M, it’s ten or enjoy the Phil Hughes show. I think they’re just holding him at that slot while they see if they can get a big bat. If they can’t they might bump him up, and revive the Cameron trade.

  32. Farts December 19th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Wouldn’t it be in the Yankees best interests to have Hughes be the 5th starter (after Petitte signs) and move Joba to the pen?

  33. Aluminum is bad December 19th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Wood is Good wrote: Dang! “With every bit of information that comes in about CC’s character, combined with his talent, I gotta say it feels especially good to be a Yankees fan this week.”

    He kind of sounds like the anti-Manny. It does feel extra good to be a Yankees fan today.

  34. TurnTwo December 19th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    “That may be true. My position all along has been that Andy is worth more than 10mil. My figure is 12mil.”

    but he isnt worth $10 million, either, so you are overpaying with the “We love you Andy, come back” tax.

  35. yankee 822 December 19th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Except one difference

    Sabathia is good and in his prime

    Andy is not good and not in his prime

  36. Doreen December 19th, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    I agree with mel – what exactly have the indications been that Pettitte will definitely sign?

    However, I feel like the meeting that was held between Andy and Cashman probably included a bit of what the Yankees strategy was going to be going forward.

    But seriously, I don’t understand, with all the money they threw at AJ and CC, and all the money they reportedly were going to offer Derek Lowe, what is up with the extra $2 million???????

    I watched a bit of the press conference yesterday. Cash didn’t look as relieved as I thought he would look, or should I say “relaxed” rather than relieved. I think there’s still a lot going on that hasn’t been leaked and perhaps some of that will come to light soon. Things will happen, Pettitte will sign for 10 to 12 million and we’ll all be happy, right? No? Maybe? I know.

  37. Chris from NJ December 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    12M is still a lot of money to give a pitcher, especially one that broke down at the end of the season. I love Andy, but I really don’t think he’s worth huge money anymore. $10m is a lot of money, and more than fair considering his age and health.

  38. vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF) December 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    “When Sabathia heard about these phone calls, he went into the office the next time it happened and began yelling back at his agents, “Stop calling”

    I was 100% not for signing Sabathia, as late as July last year. From then he carried a team on his back. This is what won me over. The last time have seen a pitcher go on a run like big CC did last year, dates back to 1988 and Orel Hershiser.

    welcome, big CC

  39. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 19th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Laura– If the difference is only $2m, why should that stop Andy from signing? I know we’ve been through him before and don’t agree but I can’t imagine cutting of my rather generously proportioned nose to spite my face.

  40. The Cro December 19th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    One way to improve the Team / Bench is – IF the Cameron Deal ever goes down – they should expand it to include Bill Hall of the Brewers, who would be a very good IF Backup that could also play the OF if necessary.

  41. Noreaster December 19th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    With CC and Wang at the top of the rotation, out bullpen will be even better this year with at least two guys soaking up innings. If AJ can repeat last year (and that is a big if) we could have a rested bullpen for once.

  42. ANSKY December 19th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    All of us hope there are no ill effects from that workload. There’s is sort of a ‘sleeper’ risk there … time will tell.

    But isn’t it great to see the team land someone willing to give more than 100% for a team, even if it could have injured him out of a fortune later on? To me that’s more of a risk worth taking than Manny Ramirez approach to his Boston situation. I’m sure Manny will think only of ‘laying it on the line’ for LA and forget about what he did to Boston.

    Now don’t get me wrong with my recent rampage of anti-Manny rants … I’m glad he hurt Boston by doing what he did. It almost helped us get to the playoffs (although we’d have been doomed anyways) but at least it ended Boston’s chances at another title. But what he did was wrong and one of the worst things a guy can do for a team.

    That wouldn’t look good on a resume if any of us was job hunting with it on our records. It shouldn’t be twisted into something that would help him find better work (or pay) than if he hadn’t done it. Sure, he should be able to find work. Preferably somewhere besides the Bronx IMO. But wherever he ends up he should get less than he would have gotten at Boston if he’s played well & they picked up those two option years.

  43. AROD fan December 19th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    but if joba did that

  44. 50 crenal December 19th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Next year;s bench = Duncan, Melky, Molina, Basek

  45. ANSKY December 19th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    ” … than Manny Ramirez AFTER HIS approach to his Boston situation.”

  46. vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF) December 19th, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    “Laura, it’s pretty deadly to a teams finances (though most do it) to pay for past performance instead of current value”

    they’ve been paying Jeter based on past performance, for years. But i take that’s different, since Derek Jeter is God.

  47. mel December 19th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    All our veterans are overpaid. Do it and move on. One freaking year! Andy can bring value. 1 year, eatings eater, allows Phil to continue to grow in AAA while building up innings, veteran presence.

    Do it and move on!

    Pettitte>Cameron

  48. Phil - 27 in '09 December 19th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Bill Hall is a below average hitter, below average fielder, and overpaid…why would he be an improvement?

  49. Sea Net December 19th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    “We had no idea we were going to be sitting up there,” Amber said.

    “(Karen) thought she was going to be in the back with her boys, and I thought I was going to be standing in the corner with my arms crossed. They were like, ‘No, you’re going to be sitting up there with them.’ And I was like, ‘Oh my God, I brought no dress clothes.’

    “We thought there would be a table, so no one would see. We both sat down and looked at each other and were like, ‘Where’s the table?’”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....njo-1.html

  50. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Bret,

    you seriously have been playing too much games. As good as Sanchez is, he’s not going to settle for a bench role. Plus, 6 million for a bench player, which it will be 11 million the following year? no thank you. JUST GIVE RANSOM A CHANCE!!!!

  51. Phil - 27 in '09 December 19th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Jeter is not being paid on past performance. His contract was signed at the beginning or near the beginning of his prime.

  52. CALIBER 08 December 19th, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    My question is this: CC has made it known that he really loved hitting while playing in the NL. The guy is certainly talented and athletic, but will the Yankees allow him (or any of their prized pitchers) run the bases during inter league games? I could see CC going max effort at every at bat he gets.

  53. Farts December 19th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    if a pitcher gets hurt running the bases he deserves to get hurt

  54. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Bill Hall is a freaking poor man verison of Wilson Betemit.

  55. darkmoonfire December 19th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    He’s going to be just fine.

    He’ll be a “true Yankee” by the end of his first game.

    A lot to like about this guy!

  56. Phil December 19th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    mel,

    it’s 10M, and I’m not budging. Enjoy the new slugger that salary restraint on Pettitte brings in.

  57. vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF) December 19th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    “Jeter is not being paid on past performance. His contract was signed at the beginning or near the beginning of his prime”

    yes. And they threw him a bone then, granting him a contract higher then current day value, at the time. Reportedly, as ‘reward’ for being taken to arbitration the previous several years.

  58. Eric December 19th, 2008 at 3:05 pm

    Bill Hall could be our #3 hitter if we acquire him

    He has power, patience, OBP, and OPS

  59. darkmoonfire December 19th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    “My question is this: CC has made it known that he really loved hitting while playing in the NL. The guy is certainly talented and athletic, but will the Yankees allow him (or any of their prized pitchers) run the bases during inter league games? I could see CC going max effort at every at bat he gets.”

    That’s a good question. I have a follow up. The DH rule. I know an AL team doesn’t need to use one. If they don’t, does it apply to the whole game? Could, for instance, CC bat in the DH spot and then a DH take over for Marte or Mo? I’m not sure of the rule.

    CC can really hit, it seems to be a reasonable idea to let hit do that occasionally, and not just in interleague.

  60. ANSKY December 19th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Thinking about Halladay’s influence on Burnett. That sounds like a potential career difference maker if it leads to him keeping the added dimension to his pitching and also (importantly) stop getting so many injuries. Would have been great to have him on the team at the same time as Moose. Sounds like he would have gotten some useful wisdom from Moose too, whereas he might not have if he were several years younger.

  61. Tarheelyank December 19th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    OK I admit it. I have a bad case of baseball Superstition. And I am worried. We are moving in to a new Yankee Stadium!
    There are so many what ifs? What if the Babe is pissed (And please, don’t mention the “C” word)? What if there was a second Ortiz jersey? What if Mystique and Aura get lost? You get the idea.
    The symptoms are easily noticeable. Defending Manny, Dunn, A. Jones and any other who might help (or hurt), no matter what the cost. The willingness to trade anybody ( if it helps us win this year). Ajax, see ya. Take Hughes, Brackman, and anybody not named Jeter or Mo. Tex with the Yankees Unbelievable. With the Sox, BIG &*%^ deal. Manny and Tex together, hallelujah.
    Budget, are you kidding? Worry about that later. Just win. Now!
    I never said I was rational, just afflicted.

  62. vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF) December 19th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    Heyman on WFAN

  63. mike December 19th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Laura:

    Why would you pay $10mm for a .500 pitcher with a 5.00 era for a team which won 90 games and who will pitch in the5th spon in a rotation?

    Oh, by the way – he cheated and used his Dad as a drug go-fer to achieve part of his past successes, and jumped at the Yankees 16mm offer last year conveniently the day before Mitchell Hearing was published – thus keeping the Yanks from moving on Santana.

    Real team-first guy this Pettitte! Go home, and take Giambi, Abreu, Ponson, Pavano and the other loser/no heart players the Yanks accumulated with you.

  64. AustinMatherne December 19th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    “Best part about that is that we (the public) never heard about it, until now. Would’ve been easy for him to come out and drop that little nugget of info to let us all realize just how great a human being he is. Way to be humble, CC. Great move, Cash.”

    ESPN reported this during the season when it happened.

  65. Don December 19th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Heyman -

    “Red Sox are not out of it. What his (Henry’s) comments mean is that they are done bidding”

  66. S.A.- CC+Wang=An Awesome 1 and 2 December 19th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Here is Boras…er..I mean Heyman on with Francesa

  67. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 19th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    And still I don’t care :D

  68. AJ YANKS December 19th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Heyman saying that the Sox are still in on Teixeria but just are not going to be the high bidder. They will not increase the bid… which he speculates is around $180 million.

    Said some writers jumped the gun yesterday proclaiming Boston signing Tex and said they are jumping the gun today saying they are “out of the race”. Said they are definitely still in this.

  69. vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF) December 19th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Heyman:

    1) The Redsox are certainly not out of it.

    2) Believes Washington has the highest bid. Is only guessing, as all bids are sealed.

    3) Believes the Angels bid is probably a little below Boston’s

    4) Believes Tex will sign next week.

  70. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Heyman: Teixeria might pull a Beltran for the Yanks

    :roll:

  71. 4 x 4 December 19th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Heyman has good info on this. He is the Boras schill in the media, he gets the info better than anyone on his clients.

  72. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 19th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Tex won’t and I still don’t care :D

  73. jennifer December 19th, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    I think Jason Zillo fell down on the job. He should have told them they would be up with their husbands.

  74. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    lol :D

  75. mel December 19th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Phil,

    LOL. It’s more like enjoy the third-rate slugger that the financial restraints caused by the 2 big (one much larger than the other) FA signings have.

    I can understand you wanting to stand @ $10M, but Andy Pettitte wanting a little more than that is not the reason why we’re not getting Tex, Manny, or Dunn. CC and to a lesser degree AJ are the reason. But that’s okay because I hear that pitching wins championships. We have pitching in spades. Let’s hope there are 5 aces of spades!

  76. vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF) December 19th, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    wouldn’t be suprised, if Tex ends up in Boston. As Heyman stated, it is in Boras’s best interest. (cuz greater liklihood NYY will then bid on Manny)

  77. Forntoso December 19th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Heyman not telling us anything knew.

    Henry never made a declarative statement that they are out of the running. They just said “it appears we won’t be a factor”. Too many people jumped the gun and thought it meant that they were moving on from Teixeria when that wasn;t the case.

    They never pulled the offer. Therefore, they are not out of it. Just because they are done negotiating, doesn’t mean they are not going to get him. They are putting the ball back in Boras’ court and forcing Teix to make a decision between the cellar dweller Nats or the Red Sox.

  78. bru December 19th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Laura
    December 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
    “Laura, it’s pretty deadly to a teams finances (though most do it) to pay for past performance instead of current value.”

    That may be true. My position all along has been that Andy is worth more than 10mil. My figure is 12mil.
    ————————————————————

    pettitte making 10 million is more than his value.when becket is making 10 million & is light years better,dice-k 8.3 million,kashmir 3.7 million,garza 404 thousand,shields 1 million,peavy 6.5 million,oswalt 13 million,halladay 10 million,wang 4 million,lackey 7.3 million,webb 5.5 million.

    cashman is looking around & realizing that pettitte is not even worth close to 10 million.

    he is getting smart.

    some pitchers are overpaid but to give pettitte who is not even close to any of the pitchers above 10 million a year is insane.

    pettitte gave up way more hits per innings pitched,a 1.41 whip wich is bad & the league batted almost 300 against him.

    you do not pay a pitcher for the past.

    burnett & cc put up much better numbers,so did lowe.even wakefield put up way better numbers than pettitte & is getting 3 million a year.

    the yankees have to stop overpaying everyone starting with pettitte.he is very very lucky if he were to look around and see what outside of a few aces like santanna,cc & a few more are making & pettitte can’t even be mentioned in the same sentence.

    look through this salary database & you will see

    http://content.usatoday.com/sp.....e=holliday

    we are lucky you are not in charge.

  79. Phil December 19th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    mel,

    we’re gonna get a good hitter. book it. magazine it. mp3 it. also, along with the hitter, I hope you get all that stuff for Christmas.

  80. R-Tek December 19th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    vinny,

    I still think they get that packaged deal (Tex/Varitek) done with Boston.

    Boras thinks 10 steps ahead. Him going to Boston is inevitable… he flat out told Washington they had to overpay to get Teixeria. It sets everything up perfectly for Boras to get the LAA/NYY/LAD bidding war for Manny.

  81. vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF) December 19th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Francesa praising Abreu’s clutch bat (keeping rally’s alive, etc) Well deserved praise. Reportedly, the Angels have checked on him.

    Oakland have checked on Nick the Stick (which we already knew)

  82. yanksfanmc December 19th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    How bout Magglio Ordonez as a big bat?

  83. Laura December 19th, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    “Laura—If the difference is only $2m, why should that stop Andy from signing?”

    I think it’s a pride issue. Going from 16mil to 10mil is a HUGE, HUGE drop. I’ve said this several times before. People here are so easy to slam Andy for not taking the pay cut. Put yourself in his position. Are you jumping at the chance to take that large a salary hit?

  84. Newark Bears December 19th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Bill Madden said the Nationals offered 8/$120.

    That has to be a misprint. $15 million a year? lol

  85. mel December 19th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Phil,

    I hope so. I hope he’s better than Cameron.

    You can also blog it on us getting Pettitte. FWIW. :)

  86. vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF) December 19th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    “Boras thinks 10 steps ahead. Him going to Boston is inevitable… he flat out told Washington they had to overpay to get Teixeria. It sets everything up perfectly for Boras to get the LAA/NYY/LAD bidding war for Manny”

    yup

  87. Y26 December 19th, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    I’m going to miss Abreu. We;re going to feel his absence heavily.

  88. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    “How bout Magglio Ordonez as a big bat?”

    HELLLLL NO…

  89. Hman December 19th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    With the Angels signing Rivera, seems to me they must be pretty confident they have locked up Tex. Otherwise, I would think they would have made a push for Manny (only other option for a big bat) and held off on Rivera.

    Just my reading the tea leaves.

  90. Don December 19th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    CC lives in the same neighborhood as Chris Rock now

    Rock is a Mets fan right?

  91. Phil - 27 in '09 December 19th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

    At the time, Jeter’s contract was what the market was willing to pay. It is what it is.

  92. Gary December 19th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Every pitcher can be hit and every hitter can be pitched to but I like the odds of C.C., A.J. and CMW having good outings more often than not.
    They must also feel very good about the bullpen behind them.

  93. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 19th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    “Bill Madden said the Nationals offered 8/$120.

    That has to be a misprint. $15 million a year? lol”

    Bill is getting old

  94. Laura December 19th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    “Rock is a Mets fan right?”

    Yes, he is.

  95. Chris from NJ December 19th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    I don’t care that Pettitte’s salary is going down, if he can find a better deal someplace else than he should take it. He’s only worth what the highest bidder is willing to pay. He doesn’t get a merrit increase.

  96. Tom B December 19th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    Bill Hall is a career .250 hitter, with “doubles” power, not HR power, and an OPS under .800, and a career .960 fielder %… and has had more than 500 at-bats twice in his career…

    exactly which part of this do we need?

    oh right, none of it.

  97. Pel December 19th, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    # Laura December 19th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    “Rock is a Mets fan right?”

    Yes, he is.
    —-

    But he has a wife and children.

  98. X-Mann December 19th, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Forntoso,

    Exactly. Until the offer is taken off the table (like we did with Santana), they are still in the race. As long as the offer is still there, so are the Red Sox in the sweepstakes. Look at what Atlanta did with Peavy. They pulled the offer and moved on. Until Boston does that, this is all BS.

    All Henry told you was that they are not going to play Boras’ game. They made an excellent offer and are not going to budge and allow Boras to play them. Boras still has Boston’s offer in his back pocket if he can’t get a team to bid higher or if Tex doesn’t want to play for a losing team.

    This negotiation is really not as ominous as it seems.

  99. bru December 19th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    how would wang who makes 4 million feel about pettitte making 3 times more & wang is 3 times better?

  100. Tom B December 19th, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    and yes, after cheering him on for ~40 games a season from sec39… abreu will be sorely missed. his arm more than makes up for his fielding shortcomings, and his patient approach is exactly what we had always looked for in hitters

  101. CB December 19th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    “Why would you pay $10mm for a .500 pitcher with a 5.00 era for a team which won 90 games and who will pitch in the5th spon in a rotation?”

    Because pettitte projects to be three wins better than a replacement level pitcher next year.

    A 3 win player to the yankees is worth 14.5 to 16.5M to the yankees in terms of revenue generation.

    Now given his potential injury risk,age and fading performance in the second half you can argue pettitte carries risks which would apply a discount rate to his 2009 performance.

    How big that discount will be is what the stalemate between pettitte and the team is over.

    But even if you apply a very large 20 percent discount pettite is conservatively worth 12-13M. Even a 30 Percent discount rate makes him worth around 11M.

    Anyone who thinks he’s not worth 10M or that the yankees don’t have the chance to make a lot of net profit on pettittte work should he stay healthy are playing pretend.

    Pettitte and his agents know this and that’s why they’re unhappy.

  102. Vrsce December 19th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Laura

    That is not very sensible. The issue can been discussed at length and in depth.no other team has stepped up and baten the Yankee to Pettitte.So why should the Yankees pay more? to salve his wounded pride? Lame.

  103. 50 cenral December 19th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    I wonder what CC is doing at this hour

    Is CC house hunting in the snow?

    Building a snowman in Central Park?

    Eating some pastries and cocoa in the village?

    In his hotel room?

  104. TurnTables December 19th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    He should have bought a house near Spike Lee or Stephen A. Smith – those guys are die hard fans.

    Fat Joe also lives in that area IIRC, or atleast he did.

  105. TL December 19th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    CB, you and your projections, projections are only good 4 month before the season starts, once the first pitch is thrown, all of your projections mean cr@p.

  106. mel December 19th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Wang would hope that he has 1/3 the career that Pettitte has had. You guys realize that Wang is only a few ticks away from 30, right?

  107. TL December 19th, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    “50 cenral
    December 19th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
    I wonder what CC is doing at this hour

    Is CC house hunting in the snow?

    Building a snowman in Central Park?

    Eating some pastries and cocoa in the village?

    In his hotel room?”

    Are you a sicko?….get a life!

  108. bru December 19th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    every single pitcher on the red sox makes less than 10 million by far except becket who makes 10 million & change & they are worth more wins than pettitte is.

  109. Quilvio Imposter December 19th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    If CC bought a house near Stephen A. Smith, he may want to opt out in a week.

  110. RalphieD (Cant wait for 09) December 19th, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    something tells me im gonna enjoy cc and aj’s interviews

  111. John December 19th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Pettitte really has no leverage… he can either come back or not. We have Hughes ready as the #5. It’s not the ideal situation but we’re fine with it.

    He;ll come back though

  112. bru December 19th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    mel

    pettitte making 10 million is more than his value.when becket is making 10 million & is light years better,dice-k 8.3 million,kashmir 3.7 million,garza 404 thousand,shields 1 million,peavy 6.5 million,oswalt 13 million,halladay 10 million,wang 4 million,lackey 7.3 million,webb 5.5 million.

    when all these pitchers & most other pitchers in baseball make less than 10 million pettitte does not deserve it,pay cut or not.

    let him take less from houston like he did before.

  113. dan 771 December 19th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    carsten charles handled the media very well yesterday

    he was able to get by Pope Francessa with ease. that showed me he was ready.

  114. bru December 19th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    rumor has it that a deal will get done at hopefully a very generous 10 million.

    i hope the yankees don’t budge an inch.

  115. CB December 19th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    “you and your projections, projections are only good 4 month before the season starts, once the first pitch is thrown, all of your projections mean cr@p.

    If you think that businesses don’t allocate resources and make budget decisions based on projections you are nieve.

    And if you don’t like reading my posts or the numbers in them, instead of being rude and unneccessarily abrasive just don’t read them. Simple.

  116. Drain003 December 19th, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Cashman just get this over with and offer Andy $12 million

  117. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    bru
    December 19th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
    Laura
    December 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    pettitte making 10 million is more than his value.when becket is making 10 million & is light years better,dice-k 8.3 million,kashmir 3.7 million,garza 404 thousand,shields 1 million,peavy 6.5 million,oswalt 13 million,halladay 10 million,wang 4 million,lackey 7.3 million,webb 5.5 million.

    ————————————————————

    And now, the rest of the story.

    Garza doesn’t even have 2 full years in the majors and is not arbitration eligible.

    Kazmir is just starting a long term contract that he agreed to.

    Shields has less than 2 years of service, but has signed a long term contract.

    Matsuzaka signed a long term deal 2 years ago without major league experience.

    Peavy, Oswalt, Halliday, Lackey, and Webb all are in the middle of long term contracts that they happily agreed to.

    Wang is in his 2nd arbitration year.

    Young pitchers who sell out their arbitration years do it because they want security. They trade that for “possible” higher deals.

    Did I go too fast for you?

    Look at what teams are willing to pay Lowe, and he’s no where near the pitcher that Pettitte is. Pettitte may no longer be worth 16 mil, but, he’s better than a 10 mil pitcher. Through July 28th of 2008, he was worth every bit of 16 mil. Think about how well his numbers would look had he sat out for 2-4 weeks last season instead of pitching through injuries because the Yanks had nobody to replace him.

  118. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 19th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    -Cashman just get this over with and offer Andy $12 million-

    How about 10 million take it or leave it.

  119. asdf December 19th, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    tex wants to be a Yankee, Manny wants to be a Yankee, we are getting one of them AND an upgrade in CF ( Baldelli ? )…..World Series HERE WE COME !

  120. Eric December 19th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    We need another bat.

  121. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 19th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    We really don’t.

  122. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 19th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    -tex wants to be a Yankee, Manny wants to be a Yankee- -, we are getting one of them AND an upgrade in CF- – ( Baldelli ? )…..World Series HERE WE COME !-

    And still could care less. :D

  123. TL December 19th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    “If you think that businesses don’t allocate resources and make budget decisions based on projections you are nieve.

    And if you don’t like reading my posts or the numbers in them, instead of being rude and unneccessarily abrasive just don’t read them. Simple.”

    That’s the problem, baseball is not a business, is a sport. When teams invest in a player they know there’s a major chance they will not get the same in return. So, what do they do?…literally not project. They take it day, by day. If you make for each player on the majors, I promise you they will do better than someone. Don’t be naive yourself, don’t think intengrating your diploma in business is going to help make the Yankees a better ballclub.

  124. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 19th, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    “We need another bat.”

    There’s a 40 HR/100 RBI guy for about 10 million who’s just waiting for a phone call.

  125. harwood December 19th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    We need another bat or we need our competition (Angels, Sox) to not add any bats and we need a healthy upside season from alot of people.

  126. Al from BK December 19th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    I would like to Move Nady and sign Dunn since were sticking to the no Manny/Tex mentions.

    line-up
    Damon-LF
    Jeter-SS
    Dunn-RF
    A-Rod-3B
    Matsui-DH
    Posada-C
    Cano-2B
    Swisher-1B
    Gardner-CF

    I put Dunn hitting 3rd because he has a high OBP and would get pitches to hit in front of A-Rod.

  127. TL December 19th, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Make Projections for everyplayer************sorry.

  128. TL December 19th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    How do I make a mistake while correcting myself??….incredible.

  129. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    TL
    December 19th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
    “If you think that businesses don’t allocate resources and make budget decisions based on projections you are nieve.

    And if you don’t like reading my posts or the numbers in them, instead of being rude and unneccessarily abrasive just don’t read them. Simple.”

    That’s the problem, baseball is not a business, is a sport

    ————————————————————

    If sports isn’t a business, why are prices so high?

  130. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 3:54 pm

    “There’s a 40 HR/100 RBI guy for about 10 million who’s just waiting for a phone call.”

    …and his initals are AD.

  131. A-God December 19th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    JP Riccardi said Dunn has no heart

  132. Laura December 19th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    “Pettitte may no longer be worth 16 mil, but, he’s better than a 10 mil pitcher. ”

    GreenBeret, we’ll be arguing this point until we are blue in the face and they won’t get it. At this point, I give up.

  133. TL December 19th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    “If sports isn’t a business, why are prices so high?”

    We can do this all day.

    What i mean is that, a baseball team can’t invest in a baseball player the same as if City Bank invest in another bank. It doesn’t work that way.

    But, lets leave it at that.

  134. migames December 19th, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    TL must be the GM of the clippers, pirates, the expos, the lions and runs one of the Big 3

  135. TL December 19th, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    Laura, I love Pettitte too, but, please let it go. He’s not an ace anymore.

  136. TL December 19th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    “migames
    December 19th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
    TL must be the GM of the clippers, pirates, the expos, the lions and runs one of the Big 3″

    No, I just know what I know.

  137. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Laura
    December 19th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
    “Pettitte may no longer be worth 16 mil, but, he’s better than a 10 mil pitcher. ”

    GreenBeret, we’ll be arguing this point until we are blue in the face and they won’t get it. At this point, I give up.

    ————————————————————

    Put it at 12-13 mil and everybody involved is happy because they made their point and saved face. Pettitte will give you everything he has, plus innings. He has in all but 2 of his 14 years. He was paid as a #3 pitcher over the last 2 years and ended up as the #2 pitchers. I still think they’ll split the difference and both will be happy. I’d say he turns in his average year….16-9 with a 3.95 ERA and 150 strikeouts. Basically he gives you that every year.

  138. TL December 19th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    The expos?…..what????

  139. Ninja Burglar December 19th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    JP Riccardi also said the lion has no courage.

  140. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 19th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    “JP Riccardi said Dunn has no heart”

    Is that why rumors have it the Halos are talking to him ? Riccardi is a clown

  141. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    TL
    December 19th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
    “If sports isn’t a business, why are prices so high?”

    We can do this all day.

    What i mean is that, a baseball team can’t invest in a baseball player the same as if City Bank invest in another bank. It doesn’t work that way.

    But, lets leave it at that.

    ————————————————————

    Wrong….athletes are assets to the owners and are depreciated when teams do their taxes….just like trucks in a trucking firm depreciates their trucks. That may be simplifying it, but, they are business assets.

  142. Al from BK December 19th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    “JP Riccardi said Dunn has no heart”

    Hate to hear that about a player but how does Riccardi know this?

  143. mel December 19th, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Don’t plead poverty. Please, don’t.

    Anyway, I’m a sentimental old fool. Well 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.

  144. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 19th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    TL– That’s an ignorant statement. If you think teams just throw money at guys they “feel” are the best for their team you’re uninformed. Why do the Red Sox employ Bill James? Because they take projections VERY seriously. Baseball is a business. A business that deals with money in the billions. You don’t get to be GM of a big league baseball club having a degree in baseball.

  145. mel December 19th, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    Ricciardi also said that he needs a nose job and that AJ needs to pitch through pain.

    So what?

  146. TL December 19th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Hey, I have a question, considering that Jeter’s last full season at shortstop will be next year. Who will you guys prefer if available Reyers, or, H. Ramirez.

    Hopefully the market for shortstops gets better in the up coming years, but for now, this is the best I can do.

    It will be a sad day when we as Yankees fans, are force to let go of Derek, but, that day is almost here.

  147. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    “JP Riccardi said Dunn has no heart”

    if he doesn’t then I don’t know he’s been hitting 40 homers every year. :roll:

  148. Redding December 19th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Riccardi isin’t going to have a job soon.

  149. COL 88 December 19th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    If Dunn doesn’t have heart, then how is he alive?

  150. TL December 19th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Rob NY — 2009 The Road to Redemption , I guess we have our difference’s on this particular subject, so lets just leave at that.

  151. John December 19th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Angels re-sign Juan Rivera – 3 yrs/$12.75 MM

  152. Anthony December 19th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Pettitte is a good veteran presence to be around the new pitchers and show them the Yankee way. I think he’s an important part of the staff while CC and AJ get acclimated and Joba and Phil continue their development.

  153. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    “Hey, I have a question, considering that Jeter’s last full season at shortstop will be next year.”

    who said it is? its over when Jeter said its over.

  154. TL December 19th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Ed – CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo!,,,

    We’ll see about that.

  155. vtred December 19th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    I love how every player who hits for a low average and strikes out is labeled as “not a winner” or “has no heart”.

    Amazing.

  156. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    TL
    December 19th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
    Rob NY—2009 The Road to Redemption , I guess we have our difference’s on this particular subject, so lets just leave at that.

    ————————————————————

    That’s the 2nd time that you wanted to “just leave it at that” in two different remarks you made. Don’t you have the courage of your convictions?

  157. Ninja Burglar December 19th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    JP Riccardi said the scarecrow has no brain.

  158. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 19th, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    TL– Fair enough, I can agree to disagree. I tend to agree that Pettite needs to take the 10m and be thankful for it. (That money is lottery money to most of us here.) That 14 year history is a double edged sword. He’s old now, but if he can get another big pay check more power to him. If he wants to be a Yankee, why can’t he take a little hometown discount?

  159. CB December 19th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    “That’s the problem, baseball is not a business, is a sport.”

    Really? Last year baseball revenues surged past 6 BILLION dollars.

    The yankees are a 3 billion dollar global enterprise opening their own 1 billion dollar stadium.

    They are an enterprise with a 200M plus payroll.

    They have a brand they’ve cultivated and developed over decades. They have extensive marketing endeavors around the world to profit from that brand.

    They own their own TV network which they partnered with goldman sachs to start.

    You’re right – that doesn’t sound anything like a business to me.

    I’m sure when they sign players to contracts they have no idea what they’re revenues project to be over the lifetime of those contracts, what the marginal revenue product of that players performance are or what they’re actuarial risk to insure is.

    They just pick numbers out of a hat.

    So last year arod got lucky that the team willy nilly decided to give him a 275M contract that was front loaded in order to take advantage of the break in revenue sharing they derive from the new stadium.

    None of that was projected, budgeted or planned for in advanced.

    And that incentive laden 30M joint reveue sharing marketing clause in ARod’s deal should he break the home run record – that’s also absolutely, purely “sports” and has nothing to do with business.

  160. AJ YANKS December 19th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Riccardi said the Robot has no electricity.

  161. migames December 19th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    “Rob NY—2009 The Road to Redemption , I guess we have our difference’s on this particular subject, so lets just leave at that.”

    Walk it back. Dont call one of the smartest poster here that his opinion is crap and then when you are called out on it dont cop out by saying “lets just leave (it) at that”

  162. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    TL,

    dude seriously how old are you? you seriously been playing too much video games. video games doesn’t equal to reality.

  163. TL December 19th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    “That’s the 2nd time that you wanted to “just leave it at that” in two different remarks you made. Don’t you have the courage of your convictions?”

    Mr. Green, I do, but, is Christmas time. And I rather blog in regards to things about the team we love, not coffee talk.

  164. Demon December 19th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Steve Phillips also said he would only sign CC to a 3 yr deal and Burnett to a 1 yr deal.

  165. Anthony December 19th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    $12-13M is very reasonable on a one year deal for Andy.

  166. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    “Steve Phillips also said he would only sign CC to a 3 yr deal and Burnett to a 1 yr deal.”

    …and people wonders why Phillips isn’t a GM anymore?

  167. TL December 19th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    “Walk it back. Dont call one of the smartest poster here that his opinion is crap and then when you are called out on it dont cop out by saying “lets just leave (it) at that”

    I have had this discussion with people Smarter than your “smartest poster here” and have come to the conclussion that is a matter of perspective, I guess mines is different than most people. What are you going to do now? fried me using your keyboard?…..or fail me on the blogster test?…get real……

  168. mel December 19th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Well, Steve Phillips would win the GM of the year award if he could pull that off.

    I don’t listen to anything Phillips says about Burnett.

    But I was dismayed to see that I agreed with him when I heard him on the radio last night. He was talking about how Teixeira was not worth the money. He was very on point. I don’t know if I was disturbed about the fact that I agreed with him or what he actually said.

  169. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 19th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    December 19th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
    “Steve Phillips also said he would only sign CC to a 3 yr deal and Burnett to a 1 yr deal.”
    …and people wonders why Phillips isn’t a GM anymore?

    ————————-

    While I know it wasn’t his fault I want to make a Scott Kazmir joke, I really do.

  170. Ty December 19th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    Plz with the Dunn garbage. No team lead by a GM with a brain is interested in him. There was little to no interest at the trade deadline and there is little to none now. The D”Backs didn’t even bother to offer him a contract or arbitration and they could use more thump in their lineup. Teams like the Phillies/Cubs chose guys like Ibanez and are looking at Bradley and Abreu. You can bet that the Angels won’t even give him a look even if they lose out on Tex. The Blue Jays/A’s would rather consider Giambi.Our present DH knocks in 100+Rbi year in and out and has never hit 40homers. As a matter of fact he once knocked in over 100rbi’s after hitting 16 homers for the season. Thats impressive. This whole thing about Matsui’s knees being shot is fallacy. Both knees had floating bone fragments that required scoping. No tendon/ligament/structural damage of any kind has ever been mentioned. Misinformation is rampant around these parts apparently. In the end, Dunn is the antithesis of everything that Cashman is trying to do this offseason. Expect the Nationals to be the idiots to offer him a deal if they should lose out on Tex.

  171. TL December 19th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    “Ed – CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo!
    December 19th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
    “Steve Phillips also said he would only sign CC to a 3 yr deal and Burnett to a 1 yr deal.”

    …and people wonders why Phillips isn’t a GM anymore?”

    Isn’t that the same guy who also traded Kazmir for a bust?…….

  172. Al from BK December 19th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Andy deserves no more than 11-12 tops maximum. If we gave out contracts on sentiment alone Bernie would be the CF making 15 million a year and Tino would be at 1B making 10. Andy was horrendous down the stretch and had a 4.50+ ERA. Please Andy has made a lot of money in his career I’m sure given the choice of 2 million extra or giving up baseball he’ll return for the discount. Some people would kill for that much money especially in these times I’m sorry sentiment aside 10 million is VERY fair for Andy.

  173. Anthony December 19th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Steve Phillips is a moron. Why would CC sign a 3 yr deal and Burnett to a 1 yr deal? I just don’t get the purpose of a statement like that which is so far detached from reality. I’d love to have CC, Santana, Pujols, Manny, ARod, and Beckett on my team for minor league contracts. That statement has as much relevance as what Phillips said.

  174. migames December 19th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Isn’t that the same guy who also traded Kazmir for a bust?…….

    as much as I hate to defend steve phillips, but the fact that you are immature and just proving you wrong is so easy, he wasnt the GM that traded Kazmir, he drafted him…and david wright, but he didnt trade him…

  175. Joe I December 19th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    “Steve Phillips also said he would only sign CC to a 3 yr deal and Burnett to a 1 yr deal.”

    He also would like a clue too, but that’s not working either.

  176. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    “While I know it wasn’t his fault I want to make a Scott Kazmir joke, I really do.”

    Rob, go go go!! :D

  177. TL December 19th, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    migames
    “December 19th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
    Isn’t that the same guy who also traded Kazmir for a bust?…….

    as much as I hate to defend steve phillips, but the fact that you are immature and just proving you wrong is so easy, he wasnt the GM that traded Kazmir, he drafted him…and david wright, but he didnt trade him…”

    Thats why I ask in the first place, sir.

  178. Ninja Burglar December 19th, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    JP Riccardi said the emperor has no clothes.

  179. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 19th, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    lol Ninja Burgler– Is that handle after the guy on Staten Island?

  180. stuart December 19th, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Laura,

    poor poor andy pettitte only being offered a measly $10 mill..

    Imagine the nerve of the Yanks what an insult.

    BTW ON THE OPEN MARKET HE WOULD NOT EVEN GET $10 MILL. so enough already with the poor andy garbage.. I say if he does not take the offer real soon let him find a new place of employment.

    1 and 7 in the 2nd half of the season, yea give him the same salary as last year..

    Laura is a JOKE……………..

  181. harwood December 19th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    “BTW ON THE OPEN MARKET HE WOULD NOT EVEN GET $10 MILL.”

    wrong.

  182. 86w183 December 19th, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Phillips is proof that good General Managers say very little and bad GMs make little sense and end up on ESPN.

    Every GM would like to limit position players to 5 years and pitchers to 3… but the competitive market place has other ideas.

  183. TL December 19th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    Why dont’ they use those 10millions they want to invest in Pettitte, and throw it at Manny. LOL.

  184. stuart December 19th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    PETTITTE WOULD NOT GET $10 MILL ON THE OPEN MARKET, I STAND BY THAT STATEMENT..

    Prove me wrong, find a new job ANdy.. Enjpy pitching for the rangers or some other garbage team…

  185. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 19th, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    TL– because manny can’t throw 200 innings

  186. TL December 19th, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    Rob, But he can produce in the clutch. We need that more than a pitcher who can throw 200 innings. Put Hughes and Kennedy as patches until the trading deadline and we’ll be fine.

  187. MAJOR ANNOUCEMENT December 19th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Hello,

    I am here to let all you New York Yankee fans know that the team is close to acquiring another superstar. The details are not finalized so that’s all i can say. The annoucement should be forthcoming before the Xmas holiday.

    Trust me, I am a person familiar with the Yankees’ brass thinking.

  188. TL December 19th, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Without Pettitte we already have a pitching staff that can make history.

  189. Ninja Burglar December 19th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    I never trust anyone that says “trust me”.

  190. Ninja Burglar December 19th, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Rob – The one and only!

  191. Nick in SF in Napa December 19th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    One could argue that Bucky Dent was a better baseball player than Arod. After all, it is a matter of perspective.

  192. harwood December 19th, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    its ‘announcement’ dummy

  193. Bret the Hitman December 19th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    re: the business of baseball

    CB, the problem with an overemphasis on the business side of the business is the drawning out of scouts and real baseball experts. I think many fans are weary of big spending deals because many of those recent transactions ignored baseball smarts and were overly focused on selling tickets. The smartest owners let their baseball people make the decisions while the owners themselves do all the talking. The Steinbrenners have done too much talking and not enough listening over the years.

    But things have changed and George and sons finally have entrusted Cashman to extract the very most out of the baseball people in this organization.

    So baseball is a business, but the top executives shouldn’t be the beancounters behind Arod’s contract but the talent evaluators that landed us Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Joba Chamberlain and Jesus Montero.

    If baseball is more like baseball, it’s good for the business.

  194. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    Ed – CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo!
    December 19th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
    “Steve Phillips also said he would only sign CC to a 3 yr deal and Burnett to a 1 yr deal.”

    …and people wonders why Phillips isn’t a GM anymore?

    ————————————————————

    Ed, nobody wonders why Phillips isn’t a GM anymore. They wonder how he ever got the job in the first place.

  195. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    GB,

    LOL true true.

  196. MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT December 19th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    I have wined and dined with the likes of Domingo Jean, Oscar Azocar, and Sam Militello.

    What have you done?

  197. Doreen December 19th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    I’m gonna skip past all the controversy and go back to the link to what the ladies wore at the press conference. First, I want to say that both women looked wonderful. Neat and pretty and I never once noticed that they were wearing jeans – or at least I never said to myself, “whoa, how could they wear jeans to the press conference!”

    That being said, the PR guy should have given the ladies a heads-up so they at least had a choice about what to wear – perhaps next time he will do so. BUT, also, if it was my husband and we were both going to Yankee Stadium to formally introduce my husband, whether or not I was on the dais, I would not have worn jeans. But that’s just me.

    Again, both ladies looked terrific and if I hadn’t read the link, I wouldn’t have given it another second of thought.

  198. Neil December 19th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    The big question around Bahhstin water coolers today was why John Henry and crowd didn’t invite Gammons for the flight to Texas and have him tell Boras and Teixeira all about the wealth of farm players he’d be playing with over the next 8-10 years.

  199. MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT December 19th, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    I failed to mention that I have been to Mike Fischlin’s house on many occasions.

  200. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Except for the 5.5 mil that Bobby Crosby is owed for one year, he’d be a good pickup as a utility player, but, could start for the Twins. Oakland just put him on outright waivers.

  201. BBFan December 19th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    “This sounds eerily similar to the sacrifices Andy Pettite has made over the years. Yet he’s only worth 10mil. Funny how that works.”

    Wasn’t he already paid for it?
    Jeter, Andy, Posada were already paid abov market value for what they did in the past. See what is happening wiht Posada now?

    The yankess have always paid thier better players better than any other organization.

  202. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Doreen
    December 19th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
    I’m gonna skip past all the controversy and go back to the link to what the ladies wore at the press conference. First, I want to say that both women looked wonderful. Neat and pretty and I never once noticed that they were wearing jeans – or at least I never said to myself, “whoa, how could they wear jeans to the press conference!”

    That being said, the PR guy should have given the ladies a heads-up so they at least had a choice about what to wear – perhaps next time he will do so. BUT, also, if it was my husband and we were both going to Yankee Stadium to formally introduce my husband, whether or not I was on the dais, I would not have worn jeans. But that’s just me.

    Again, both ladies looked terrific and if I hadn’t read the link, I wouldn’t have given it another second of thought.

    ————————————————————

    $500 jeans are the new tuxedo and formal gown.

  203. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    GB,

    correction, Crobsey have cleared waivers.

  204. Doreen December 19th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    GB7 -

    Absolutely! Their jeans probably would qualify as haute couture!

    I had to comment on that, though, since I’ve already said all I had to say about Pettitte, Teixeira, etc., etc., at least twice or three times this off-season. I’m done with that! :lol:

  205. Jeremy December 19th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    “He put his own situation aside for the team, trying to win a championship even though he hadn’t been there very long,” Cashman said. “That tells you what kind of guy he is.”

    Hopefully not the kind of guy who is going to succumb to an injury due to all those games pitched on short rest. Just saying.

  206. S.o.S. December 19th, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    “MAJOR ANNOUCEMENT
    December 19th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
    Hello,

    I am here to let all you New York Yankee fans know that the team is close to acquiring another superstar. The details are not finalized so that’s all i can say. The annoucement should be forthcoming before the Xmas holiday.

    Trust me, I am a person familiar with the Yankees’ brass thinking.”

    Is that you bobcat? We’re still waiting for the Santans to the Yanks ink to dry.

  207. Jeremy December 19th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    Doreen,

    Who knows, maybe the team’s PR people told the wives NOT to dress too formally in case they seem out of place with their uniform-clad husbands.

  208. nettles December 19th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    “Trust me, I am a person familiar with the Yankees’ brass thinking.”

    It’s impossible to doubt someone with credentials like that. LOL.

  209. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Ed – CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo!
    December 19th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
    GB,

    correction, Crobsey have cleared waivers.

    ————————————————————

    If they can’t trade him for 30 cents on the dollar, they may release him. Somebody like the Twins or Cards will offer a minor leaguer and snap him up. If he coulds stay healthy, he’d be just fine. decent glove, power, some speed.

  210. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Jeremy
    December 19th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
    Doreen,

    Who knows, maybe the team’s PR people told the wives NOT to dress too formally in case they seem out of place with their uniform-clad husbands.

    ————————————————————

    Both guys were in coats and ties. No word on whether socks were optional.

  211. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! December 19th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Gb,

    so that’s what former ROTY had become? nobody nowadays. Hinske, Berrora, and now Crosby.

  212. Nick in SF in Napa December 19th, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    Find the major Yankee brass who can’t spell ‘announcement’ and you have your leaker. I nominate Scooter the Squirrel.

  213. S.o.S. December 19th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    Im glad Riccardi didnt say that Burnett has no heart.

    Why does everyone think we owe Andy something? Dont get me wrong i wouldnt mind him on the team but the Yankees dont owe him anything. He got paid 16 mil last year and i didnt see him refund any of the money. If thats what they think hes worth and he thinks hes worth more than its all about how bad he wants to pitch in the new stadium. Its a business folks. Bernie got pissed that he didnt have a guaranteed contract at spring training even though he was getting the best end of his final few years contract.

    MEMO TO PLAYERS. Stop taking everything so personal. You are not owed anything. Last i saw your not playing for free.

  214. Doreen December 19th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    It’s only a big deal to the particular ladies, who felt underdressed.

    What do other teams do?

    I know the Mets schedule their announcements simultaneously with the Yankees so that there is no undue scrutiny on the players or their wives, but what do they do elsewhere????? :lol:

  215. Tom December 19th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    “I have wined and dined with the likes of Domingo Jean, Oscar Azocar, and Sam Militello.

    What have you done?”

    What, were Mark Hutton or Andy Stankiewicz not invited?

  216. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Doreen
    December 19th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
    GB7 –
    Absolutely! Their jeans probably would qualify as haute couture!

    I had to comment on that, though, since I’ve already said all I had to say about Pettitte, Teixeira, etc., etc., at least twice or three times this off-season. I’m done with that!

    ————————————————————

    How many times can the same subject be discussed? I’ve only seen constant discussions change one person’s mind…Bret. Not sure that he counts though, because he changes his mind at least 7 times a day.

  217. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Ed – CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo!
    December 19th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
    Gb,

    so that’s what former ROTY had become? nobody nowadays. Hinske, Berrora, and now Crosby.

    ————————————————————

    The AL seems to have a lot more of the one year and gone types, like Bob Hamlin and Joe Charboneau.

  218. BBFan December 19th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    “Put yourself in his position. Are you jumping at the chance to take that large a salary hit?”

    Couple of years back one of close friends got laid off. He waited for six months looking for a job to pay what he was making before. But, there was no demand and finally he settled for 40% less than what he was making.

    Same applies to every ball player when they are free agents. When the market is down, they get what the higest bidder is willing to pay.

  219. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Doreen
    December 19th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
    It’s only a big deal to the particular ladies, who felt underdressed.

    What do other teams do?

    I know the Mets schedule their announcements simultaneously with the Yankees so that there is no undue scrutiny on the players or their wives, but what do they do elsewhere?????

    ————————————————————

    I thought the ladies were way over dressed, but, that’s an entirely different subject.

  220. S.o.S. December 19th, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Dammit,
    Rivera just resigned with the Angels for 3 years 12 mil.
    No Cameron
    No Rivera

    Where do we go from here? Is Bubba available?

    I read that the red sox arent really done going after Tex. Can someone please pay the man 200 mil so we can move on to the next most over paid player competition. That would be Manny.

  221. Demon December 19th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Riccardi loved Burnett.

    It’s amazing how candid he is with the media.

  222. kd December 19th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    i wonder if tex talked to arod, knowing how hard it was to deal with a huge contract on a terrible team. i know they were teammates on those texas teams, but alex’s perspective might help.

    if they have spoken, i bet he tells tex to go to boston or anaheim

  223. Laura December 19th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    “BUT, also, if it was my husband and we were both going to Yankee Stadium to formally introduce my husband, whether or not I was on the dais, I would not have worn jeans. But that’s just me.”

    Glad to see that I wasn’t the only person scratching my head about what the wives were wearing. I’m not saying that they needed to dress as if they were going to the Oscars, but a nice blouse and a pair of slacks would have looked better. Yesterday, they looked like they were heading out to go to the mall.

  224. 4 x 4 December 19th, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    There’s a Knicks game tonight… wonder if CC will show up.

  225. S.A.- CC+Wang=An Awesome 1 and 2 December 19th, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    “Yesterday, they looked like they were heading out to go to the mall.”

    ————————————-

    Yeah, I kinda thought that too when I saw what the wives were wearing. Oh well.

  226. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Laura
    December 19th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
    “BUT, also, if it was my husband and we were both going to Yankee Stadium to formally introduce my husband, whether or not I was on the dais, I would not have worn jeans. But that’s just me.”

    Glad to see that I wasn’t the only person scratching my head about what the wives were wearing. I’m not saying that they needed to dress as if they were going to the Oscars, but a nice blouse and a pair of slacks would have looked better. Yesterday, they looked like they were heading out to go to the mall.

    ————————————————————

    I’m sure the cold air blowing up their skirts would have been somewhat uncomfortable. They did accompany their husbands on the ballpark tour.

  227. Laura December 19th, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    “I’m sure the cold air blowing up their skirts would have been somewhat uncomfortable. They did accompany their husbands on the ballpark tour.”

    I didn’t say that they should wear skirts. I specifically mention slacks in my post.

  228. S.o.S. December 19th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    “if they have spoken, i bet he tells tex to go to boston or anaheim”

    Why would he tell him that? So are rivals could be more difficult to beat? If i were Arod i would tell him to sign with the Nationals. Heres why.
    a. You are in the spot light but not in a bad way. Even if you struggle no one will see it or care.
    b. You arent expected to win the championship year in and year out.
    c. You will be in the N.L. which is a AAAA league. Which in turn will face lesser competition. Makes you look better.
    d. You wont have to go against C.C.,Burnett,Wang,Joba,TBD. 18 times a year+ playoffs. Did i mention Mo.
    e.?

  229. RalphieD (Cant wait for 09) December 19th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    56 more days till pitchers and catchers report…

  230. AP December 19th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    An explanation for the underdressed women -

    Amber Sabathia and Karen Burnett walked into the Stadium Club wearing blue jeans and nervous smiles. They exchanged a quick glance as they took their seats and started giggling, a lesson learned about their new lives in a big market town.

    “We had no idea we were going to be sitting up there,” Amber said.

    “(Karen) thought she was going to be in the back with her boys, and I thought I was going to be standing in the corner with my arms crossed. They were like, ‘No, you’re going to be sitting up there with them.’ And I was like, ‘Oh my God, I brought no dress clothes.’

    “We thought there would be a table, so no one would see. We both sat down and looked at each other and were like, ‘Where’s the table?’”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....njo-1.html

  231. james December 19th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    The women are not high maintenance… good for them

    down to earth families. don’t feel the need to impress anyone or out do themselves by dressing up.

  232. Yank1 December 19th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    I bet the jeans they were wearing cost as much or more money than a dress or skirt.

    When you are a celebrity/athlete wife, it’s not the attire that’s important, but the total monetary value of the outfit. As long as you are wearing clothes that were costly, you can wear what you want.

  233. S.o.S. December 19th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    “I bet the jeans they were wearing cost as much or more money than a dress or skirt.”

    Cindy McCain would dissagree.

  234. Francis December 19th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    If that article is true, then shame on the Yankees for not informing them about what the process would be like. How could they not have been informed that they would be on stage?

    That must have been embarrassing

  235. Nckolay Federov December 19th, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    update your ******* blog

  236. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Laura
    December 19th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
    “I’m sure the cold air blowing up their skirts would have been somewhat uncomfortable. They did accompany their husbands on the ballpark tour.”

    I didn’t say that they should wear skirts. I specifically mention slacks in my post.

    ————————————————————

    Slacks…jeans….no difference to me.

  237. KING FELIX December 19th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    who cares? they are rich. rich people can wear what they want

    even if they wore pajamas, its ok as long as they are rich

  238. Don December 19th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    Nckolay,

    He will as soon as Manny signs with us

  239. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    Francis
    December 19th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
    If that article is true, then shame on the Yankees for not informing them about what the process would be like. How could they not have been informed that they would be on stage?

    That must have been embarrassing

    ————————————————————

    Who cares? Sounds like they had a good laugh about it.

  240. Tom December 19th, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Maybe they should have each worn a vest/cravat combination. It work for Arod…..

  241. S.o.S. December 19th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Amen King Felix. Give me half of 161 mil and i’ll go interview in my birthday suit. We are making this bigger than it really is. They were caught off guard by the hospitality of the New York Yankees. Once again we showed how far ahead we are of other teams when it comes to classiness and preffesionalism. Im sure all in all they were happy and so were the husbands. Finally someone notices and pays respects their wives. Without it being the wife making statements that she will sleep with the whole team to get it.

  242. vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF) December 19th, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    “Steve Phillips also said he would only sign CC to a 3 yr deal and Burnett to a 1 yr deal.”

    and Roger Cedeno for 4 yrs

  243. 88 Jax December 19th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    Still worried about the bullpen… Marte did nothing last year and Veras, Robertson, Edwar were wildly inconsistent. Bruney had one good month to close the year, so did Coke. Don’t take Sept. numbers seriously. Melancon is an unknown too.

    Not much reliability in the pen. Boston has Okijima and Masterson who put up very good numbers. The pen could be a problem for us.

  244. vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF) December 19th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    “so that’s what former ROTY had become? nobody nowadays. Hinske, Berrora, and now Crosby”

    didn’t Swisher win it too?

  245. ANSKY December 19th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT – “I have wined and dined with the likes of Domingo Jean, Oscar Azocar, and Sam Militello. What have you done?”

    That depends on who you are, ‘MAJOR A.’

    If you’re Bobcat there’s a good chance you have some actual info, so whatever I’ve done (or anyone) is irrelevant. If you’re just some idiot, the answer is ‘yer momma’.

    If he’s Bobcat, it’s 50/50 between Manny & Tiexiera. Y’all know who I’d prefer it be.

    If he’s just some idiot, it’s 50/50 he’s a Sox fan and 50/50 he’s a fan of another non-Yanks team.

    Is he Bobcat or just some idiot? Well now, the odds are no longer 50/50 and it doesn’t look favorable.

    THEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeee answer is … ‘yer momma!’

  246. S.A.- CC+Wang=An Awesome 1 and 2 December 19th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    “The Burnetts, who have two young sons, will maintain their residence in Monkton, Md., throughout the school year and spend their summers in New York. It’s just a three-hour train ride from home for Karen, who’s so averse to flying that Burnett’s contract with the Blue Jays included round-trip limo rides from Maryland to Toronto for his wife, according to a published report. ”

    Round-trip limo rides from Maryland to Toronto? That must have been nice.

  247. Tom December 19th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Bob Hamelin. Perhaps the most forgotten ROY ever.

  248. pat December 19th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    “Maybe they should have each worn a vest/cravat combination. It work for Arod…..”

    I must say since the A-Rod pic with the scarf, I’ve paid attention to what guys in NYC are wearing and many have been wearing the tucked through scarf these days. Yanks may want to come up with a pinstriped one to sell on mlb.com.

  249. harwood December 19th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    the wives looked good. whats wrong with jeans?

  250. S.o.S. December 19th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Didnt Wally Joyner win ROY or did Mcquire take it that year?

  251. pat December 19th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    If Mrs. Sabathia hadn’t brought it up, no one else would have. NY Lesson #1 for Amber- Don’t apologize for something you haven’t been accused of.

  252. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Tom
    December 19th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
    Bob Hamelin. Perhaps the most forgotten ROY ever.

    ————————————————————

    One of the best ROTY winners the Yanks have ever had, they gave away for pracically nothing (actually, it was less than nothing) turned out to be one of the best left handed pitchers of the 70′s….Stan Bahnsen.

  253. Blackdragon905 December 19th, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Buster Olney on the Michael Kay show show said him and Peter Gammons just updated their article on tex and this is what it said:

    “One executive familiar with the meeting said the Red Sox were told that in order to finish a deal for Teixeira, they would have to offer about $24.3 million a year over eight years — or a deal for about $195 million.”

    I mean this is utterly insane. Teixeira is very very good, but he’s not this good.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3782228

  254. NYYanksFan December 19th, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    MSNBC says Derek Jeter and Minka Kelly are shopping for a house together in CA. Maybe they should give CC a call and check out the place he’s selling.

  255. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Joiner finished second to Canseco in ’86. Add Gregg Olsen and Pat Listache to the ROTY bombs.

  256. Nick in SF in Napa December 19th, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    Mrs. Matsui has announced, through a tasteful illustration, that she is displeased with the lack of wardrobe coordination during the press conference yesterday, but nevertheless she is happy to welcome Mrs. Sabathia and Mrs. Burnett into the family of Yankee wives. She looks forward to seeing sketches of them at their earliest convenience.

  257. Frasier Crane December 19th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Ah! A Nick Swisher memory for you all. Daphne, fetch me my pipe?

    Yes, well. Here we are. It is summer 2004. I am in Innsbruck, Austria in a most charmingly quaint hotel eating fruhstuck when I immerse myself once again in that classic tome, “Moneyball,” by one Michael Lewis on the exploits of William Beane. Here, I am introduced to the fascinating concept of “the face” and Nick Swisher has caught the eye, nay, the heart of Beane. He must have him. Eventually, the Oakland Athletics do land this fine specimen of athlete. And forever, when someone mentions Swisher’s name, or when I see him play, I am thrust once again back into that dining room in Innsbruck, the smell of ham and jam wafting under my nose, the light hitting Frau Gelke ever so sweetly…Marcel Proust, eat your heart out!

  258. Tom December 19th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    Matsui may just be the most underappreciated weirdo in the history of baseball.

  259. Kevin Page December 19th, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Or it could have been a brilliant move by the agent to “pump” up his value even higher ?

    Had to play some devil’s there for ya.

  260. harwood December 19th, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Matsui and Ichiro are probably the funniest people in baseball. Japan needs to send more superstar bats.

  261. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 19th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    harwood
    December 19th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
    Matsui and Ichiro are probably the funniest people in baseball. Japan needs to send more superstar bats to the Yankees.
    ——–
    Fixed.

  262. AROD fan December 19th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    A number of thoughts

    1) we really need at least tex and preferably both tex and manny. please cash, get into the bidding. I’m glad you didn’t deflect the spotlight away from AJ and CC, but now its time to get in the game. thanks

    2) brewers should not have done what they did to CC… the minute CC loses steam, even if he is 47 yrs old, i will blame the brewers. new enemy.

    3) is it spring training yet?

    4) no one can tell me there isn’t some type of collusion against boras.

    5) cash, can you please bid for tex? and then sign him? and then have another press conference? thanks.

    6) from earlier in the week “Play well and it’s fine. Play lousy and you’ll hear it.” I would add to that… Play really well and you’ll really hear it. Play sort of ok and you’ll be showered with all the love in the world.

  263. 86w183 December 19th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    Stan Bahnsen was and is RIGHThanded

    He was very good ’68 – ’72 but afterwards sub .500

  264. Doreen December 19th, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    pat -

    You hit the nail on the head about the ladies’ attire. As I said in my first post, if it hadn’t been brought to my attention, I wouldn’t have given it a second thought. And even though they may have been wearing jeans, their sweaters/blouses/vests were quite appropriate. Not to mention that jeans are not field-hand attire anymore, nor have they been since that time when nothing came between Brooke and her Calvins! :)

  265. Doreen December 19th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    S.A. -

    We drove from NJ to Toronto this summer. Not a great ride. It’s very long and boring. Nice that she doesn’t have to do the driving herself, but I was a passenger for that trip (husband did the driving) and I can say if we had to do it on a regular basis I would go nuts!

  266. GreenBeret7 December 19th, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    86w183
    December 19th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
    Stan Bahnsen was and is RIGHThanded

    He was very good ‘68 – ‘72 but afterwards sub .500

    ————————————————————

    Thanks for the correction on l/r.

    Jesus, how did I screw that up on lefty/righty? He spent most of his career with really average to bad teams, but, he was still a damned fine pitcher and NYY screwed up trading him for Rich McKinney. The White Sox really killed him and Jim Kaat by pitching them on two days rest.

  267. BBB (Welcome CC&AJ! Now we need a bat, let's git'er Dunn) December 19th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    OK, I can’t read all the comments, but what is the controversy regarding the new Yankee wives’ outfits yesterday? Was some writer complaining about it or something? I didn’t think either of them were dressed inappropriately or too casually, it’s not like they were wearing Levi’s or something, they were cute “going out” jeans, probably True Religion or something like that. And I probably have 3 or 4 dresses in my closet that, added together, do not cost as much as either pair of jeans the ladies wore yesterday.

    Plus, they weren’t wearing sneakers, were they? It’s all about the shoes. As long as they were wearing heels, they’re dressed up. Coming from someone who is probably about the same age as Amber…I thought they both looked great.

  268. BBB (Welcome CC&AJ! Now we need a bat, let's git'er Dunn) December 19th, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Also, sorry if this has been mentioned already but MLBTR reports the Padres re-signed 31 y/o CF Jody Gerut at a little less than $1.2MM for 2009. Avoided arbitration, I guess. Pretty nice price, and there is absolutely no reason for SD to keep him if they can get a decent prospect in return. Perhaps Cash should give his boy Towers a ring on this one?

  269. pat December 19th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Do signing bonuses count as payroll? CC is getting a 9 million signing bonus and his salary for 2009 is 14 million. Wonder if it is configured that way to help the Yanks keep payroll down this year on paper?

  270. AROD fan December 19th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Frasier Crane
    December 19th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
    Ah! A Nick Swisher memory for you all. Daphne, fetch me my pipe?
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  278. Finchster December 19th, 2008 at 8:34 pm

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  280. Suave December 19th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    Tex at 195 mil for 8 yrs….hell no.no way he worth that.

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    if i was Cashman i would be looking to trade for the next Carlos Quentin out there,i player ready to bust out

  281. Y's Guy Go Nats, Sign Tex!!! December 19th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    once again i have to say that i just cant believe the O’s arent in there leading the charge for thier hometown boy. sure markakis is great and they have young talent, but they have no ‘face.’ they couldnt possibly pick a better guy to become mr. oriole for the next 8 years. but they made a lame attempt to sign him and dont seem to be all that interested.

    i hope tex goes to the nats and they put it together with tex leading them. that would really stick it to the O’s and angelos.

  282. JUSTIN December 19th, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    is cc really making 14 mill next year ????

  283. RalphieD (Cant wait for 09) December 19th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    “if i was Cashman i would be looking to trade for the next Carlos Quentin out there,i player ready to bust out”

    isnt every gm trying to do that?

  284. BBB (Welcome CC&AJ! Now we need a bat, let's git'er Dunn) December 19th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

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  287. BBB (Welcome CC&AJ! Now we need a bat, let's git'er Dunn) December 19th, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Y’s guy: It is kind of surprising to see the O’s willingly take such a backseat to the Nationals in this Teixeira derby, huh? Especially since Markakis seems pretty noncommittal about signing a long term deal. You wouldn’t think Angelos’ ego could handle being upstaged by the lowly Nats, nor that he could resist a chance to stick it to Boston and the Yankees.

  288. Tom December 19th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    Why would the O’s spend 180-200 million dollars on a player for 8-10 years. They have Matt Wieters who will be the “face” of the team for the next decade or so. They also have Markakis, who is a budding (super) star.

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  289. Doreen December 19th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Listening to baseball stuff on XM this morning while driving to LI, the take on the Teixeira situation was that (a) the Red Sox are not out, but have basically drawn a line in the sand; (b) the Orioles should try to get him, BUT even though they may have the money, they really can’t afford to pay one player almost half of what the team is worth and if he gets injured it would hurt the franchise for years to come; (c) the Nats REALLY want him, but if Teixeira goes there he is pretty much saying he’s totally a money guy; (d) even though there have not been any reports that the Yankees have many any offer, and Cash has said they haven’t, it’s still being reported the Yankees are in the mix.

    They’re ALL money guys, basically, but none of them would ever want to admit to that; it’s too crass. They said the Red Sox are all about drama, but I think the drama they wanted was to fly out of Texas with a signed contract. Most people seem to think Teixeira will make a decision before Christmas, though, so hopefully the suspense will be ending soon and life can go on. :lol:

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