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Catching up on some Winter League stats

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 20, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A few winter league observations:

Ian Kennedy is back home after pitching 34.2 innings over six starts in Puerto Rico. He went 2-2 with a 1.56 ERA. He allowed 19 hits, struck out 31, walked 12 and allowed one home run.

Guess who has a .408 OBP in the Dominican Winter League and has struck out only eight times in 83 at-bats? Melky Cabrera, that’s who. He and Brett Gardner would be an interesting competition in spring training if it comes to that.

Robinson Cano has driven in 15 runs in 17 games in the Dominican and has nine extra-base hits. He actually has more walks (seven) than strikeouts (five). Considering he walked 26 times in 634 plate appearances all last season, that’s a good sign.

Jonathan Albaladejo hasn’t allowed a run in 16 innings in Puerto Rico. His line: 16 11 0 0 2 11.

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219 Responses to “Catching up on some Winter League stats”

  1. kavon December 20th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    do u think you could separate the bottom so that it is easier to read?

  2. kavon December 20th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    nevermind

  3. Mike December 20th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    That’s some great news to here. First I’ve heard of it. It really looks like things are coming together for next season.

  4. Laura - Say No to Manny December 20th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    “Robinson Cano has driven in 15 runs in 17 games in the Dominican and has nine extra-base hits. ”

    Cano’s finished. Let’s sign Orlando Hudson. :P

  5. E-Man December 20th, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Wow, That’s some really SHOCKING stats on Ian, Pete.

  6. bdog375 December 20th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Good news!

    I will always be a fan of Melky, though his future with the Yankees seems short.

  7. E-Man December 20th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Too bad the little Tom Glavine can’t get us anything.

  8. YankeeJosh December 20th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    From the last thread:

    CB,

    I really hope the Yanks are truly going strong for Teix. For an 8 year deal, he’ll be under age 35 for 6 of those 8 years and he’s a solid player who provides an immediate upgrade to the lineup without being disruptive. He’s a much better fit than Manny imo.

    A question for you though. Is there a way to project added value for Teixeira being a switch hitter. The effect it has on the entire line-up positioning and how managers handle relievers? Even with the best hitters there are percentages to play and switch hitters imo neutralize that. I think the Yankees lineup is missing that punch they had with brnie and Posada back in the dynasty years.

    Also, I klnow you’ve mentioned Abreu’s defense being horrible and agree he has seemed bad. But in watching games he still seemed like an upgrade over Sheffield in the field. That’s my feel. Do the numbers back it up or am I missing something?

  9. Laura - Say No to Manny December 20th, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    “Also, I klnow you’ve mentioned Abreu’s defense being horrible and agree he has seemed bad. But in watching games he still seemed like an upgrade over Sheffield in the field. That’s my feel. Do the numbers back it up or am I missing something?”

    I’m not an expert at pulling up the numbers like some of the guys on here are, but going from my own memory, Abreu has a better arm than Sheffield so in that respect, he was an upgrade.

    Abreu is probably somewhere scratching his head. If you look at his offensive stats, teams should be knocking down the guy’s door. Instead, he’s home clipping his toenails. I wonder if all of the talk about him being afraid of the wall has hurt his FA chances…..

  10. Phil December 20th, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    The Yanks told Melky and Cano they wanted to see more walks. And they’re seeing more walks.

  11. Laura up on her cross December 20th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    THINGS ARE COMING TOGETHER INDEED MIKE AND NOT WITH ANY HELP FROM ANY “EVIL DOERS” WHICH IS WHY WE CAN ALL SLEEP WELL.

    IN THE END MARIANO’S LAST PITCH IN A WORLD SERIES WILL BE THAT ONE LUIS GONZALEZ HEROICALLY BLOOPED INTO CENTER AND HE AND WE WILL HONORABLY RECONCILE THE FACT THAT ALL THOSE YEARS WASTED ON STEROID JUNKIES, CHRONICALLY INJURED COWARDS, AND 37yr old past their prime legends were nothing more than dignified well intentioned mistakes…

    LET US NOT FORGET WE HAVE A REPUTATION TO UPHOLD!!!

    WHO WANTS TO WIN IF MEANS WE ROOT FOR A TEAM WITH A PAYROLL OF 210 or so MILLION DOLLARS??

    That’s no fun at all.

    It’s way more fun to throw a quarter billion at 2 pitchers and leave the line up bereft of any competitve poignancy..

    Sure Nicky Swisher Jorge and older by the moment Captain DP will all enjoy simultaneous career years I FORGOT!!!

    NO LETS FIND RELIGION THIS YEAR GOD KNOWS THE ECONOMY SUCKS MY BASEBALL TEAM BETTER SUCK TOO!!

  12. Pel December 20th, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Willis McGahee just busted through the Cowboys D on the opening play of the drive and now it’s Ravens 26, Cowboys 17.
    3:32 left in the 4th.

  13. Laura - Say No to Manny December 20th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    “The Yanks told Melky and Cano they wanted to see more walks. And they’re seeing more walks.”

    This is good news, but I’m not going to get too carried away, especially where Melky is concerned. I think that the Yankees would trade him today if they could.

  14. CB December 20th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Repost from last thread:

    “A question for you though. Is there a way to project added value for Teixeira being a switch hitter. ”

    YankeeJosh,

    That’s a tough thing to project and I think you’d have to consider the alternatives.

    For instance – it makes no difference to Manny Ramirez whether or not the pitcher is left handed or right handed.

    It makes a considerable difference to Adam Dunn.

    So compared to the alternative of signing Dunn, Tex being a switch hitter is helpful. Compared to manny not really.

    And remember – switch hitters almost always have a stronger side. Now tex is very good from both. But he’s definitely better as a left handed hitter – Career OPS as a lefty is .935 vs. .912 as a righty. Not big – but it’s a difference.

    But that’s not that, that much difference than what Hideki matsui’s platoon split is either.

    So it depends on the player he’s replacing and the team/ situaion he’s facing.

    And overall – any advantage he gains should manifest themselves into his total production numbers.

    I don’t have any good numbers on Sheffield defensively. But Abreu was horrible this year and has been below average defensively for the past 3-4 years.

    This year he was nearly as bad a defender as Manny is. That’s how bad he was.

  15. Phil December 20th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Melky walked 56 times as a 21 year old rookie. That’s why people had high hopes for him. He showed an inclination to walk at a young age. If that can become part of his game again, he’ll be league average or better in CF. It’s a big developement.

  16. CB December 20th, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    Repost from last thread…

    Phil,

    I think that’s a reasonable assessment. I’m sure the whole organization (outside of hank and randy levine perhaps) would prefer Tex.

    So now they may be interested in finding out what it would really take to sign him and to gauge his true level of interest.

    No idea right now. That report would be a good way of trying to up their involvement to goad the sox/angels into upping their bid.

    But if its not that – then it’s a signal. We are willing to offer you a lot of money but within reason – it’s not going to be $195M but it will be in the ball park of what the sox and angels are offering.

    Now it’s your choice.

    I have no idea what Tex’s preferences are or if it really is the last dollar that matters but…

    Hitting in front of Alex and behind Jeter would have to be very compelling to Tex.

    Hitting in front of Alex will significantly improve his chances to make the hall of fame. He’ll get better pitches to hit and will score a ton of runs.

    The additions to the pitching staff make it a team that is going to be favored to win should they add his bat.

    He’ll make a lot of money in endorsements – much more than he could make in boston or even anaheim.

    New York is closer to his family in Maryland. It’s only a two hour train ride.

    We’ll see. This could be a ruse or it could get very interesting.

  17. YankeeJosh December 20th, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    I’ll repost my reply here.

    CB, Thanks.

    My thinking with Teix is that he lengthens the lineup against good starters. If you are facing a tough lefty like Santana you can stack two righties in A-Rod and Teix and not worry about match-ups. You can likewise break up lefties in a line-up that way. My belief is that good switch hitters are vastly under-rated.

    Yes, Manny is fine as a righty vs either lefties or righties but does the rest of the line-up suffer as a result of Manny not being a switch hitter? If the line-up is Jeter, Manny, A-Rod, an opposing manager can stick with his best righty set up guy, even with Manny being a risk to him. If the line up is Jeter, Teix, A-Rod, then the manager needs to at least think about Teix hitting as a lefty and maybe he makes some pitching moves that benefit the other hitters in the line-up. And that’s the thing I’m trying to figure how to quantify.

    Simply put, I see hidden value to the entire lineup (matching up against tough pitchers and relievers) of having a quality switch hitting bat.

  18. Dewey Finn December 20th, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    On Ian, I heard that his mechanical adjustments with USC pitching coach and also a well-known pitching guru Tom House went pretty well and Eilands likes the changes that he made. FYI, Tom House got hold of Randy Johnson’s control before 1993 season, coached Cole Hamels, Mark Prior, Sean O’Sullivan and many others since their HS days and most recently, he rejuvenated Chan Ho Park’s career for 2008 season and possibly beyond.

    I’d give Kennedy a chance.

  19. harwood December 20th, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    ” Phil December 20th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Melky walked 56 times as a 21 year old rookie. That’s why people had high hopes for him. He showed an inclination to walk at a young age. If that can become part of his game again, he’ll be league average or better in CF. It’s a big developement.

    Thats why Gardner is here too. I doubt there will be any real ‘winner’ out of spring training. Our CF’er is going to be whoever is the most patient at the plate at the time. You slip up and the other guy is getting a shot.

  20. Laura - Say No to Manny December 20th, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    “It’s a big development.”

    Okay, but is it enough of a development for the Yankees to keep him and let him compete with Gardner for the CF spot? Or is it the kind of development that they can use to push him in a trade? I like Melky and want he and Gardner to battle it out for the CF job. But the brass may still look for another CF. We will have to wait and see.

  21. Jerome Manhattan December 20th, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Throw Texeriea 120 for 5 yrs that would only equal last years team salary with the money that’s now off the books.

    Mussina
    Pavano
    Giambi
    Pettite (as of today)
    Abreu

    As of today the salary has been cut by 40+ million as the team moves into a new stadium and has increased ticket prices exorbitantly.

    Nice work Cashman ;-)

    If “The Boss” had actually got the chance to see this offseason he’d off these two bastards Uddai and Qusay style.

  22. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 20th, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    woohoo, go cano!

  23. CB December 20th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    “My thinking with Teix is that he lengthens the lineup against good starters.”

    He does – but it’s not really due to him being a switch hitter. It’s because he’s a very patient hitter who generates high OBP.

    In general people tend to overrate the value of switch hitting some.

    It’s perhaps most valuable against teams with very effective lefty relief specialists. In those cases stacking say 3 left handed batters in a row would be a problem.

    But there are so few effective lefty specialists in the game.

    But the advantage of a switch hitter over a righty batter isn’t that large. Righty hitters generally hit right pitchers fine.

    And having 3 righty hitters in a row of the quality of Jeter, Alex and Manny would be absolutely no issue whatsoever. None at all.

    There is no advantage to Tex being a switch hitter over Manny. None.

    Let’s put it this way – when Manny faces right handed pitchers – he is still considerably better hitter than Tex is when Tex hits from his strong side. Not a little better – considerably better. Manny is just a much better hitter than Tex and any advantage of being a switch hitter is more theoretical.

    Tex has many advantages over manny – primarily defense, fit with the existing team and personality. But he has no advantages in terms of his bat.

  24. Pel December 20th, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    This is unbelievable. Ravens did it again. Another opening TD rush of the drive.

    Ravens 33
    Cowboys 24

    Simply unbelievable.

    1:18 left in the 4th.

  25. Phil December 20th, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    CB,

    I’d go even furhter. Tex’s first meeting, the one he requested was with Cash. Cash flew to Maryland to meet with Tex and Boras. We don’t know how they left it. After the meeting Cash said words to the effect that “any team would want Tex.” Then he proceeded to chase pitching and ignore O. I think this leak is a message to Tex that we are indeed interested. It’s possible that the way the Yanks left it at their first meeting that they would monitor his market and then see if they could get involved. I think this was the signal that they can.

  26. Laura - Say No to Manny December 20th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    “Tex has many advantages over manny – primarily defense, fit with the existing team and personality. But he has no advantages in terms of his bat.”

    The only advantage Tex has over Manny in the hitting department is that Tex has several more years were he will be productive. Manny is 36. How many more good years does he have left?

  27. myrtlebeachfan December 20th, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Melky is far better than Gardner, period. Gardner is just faster. There is no comparison.

    I don’t see how this is even a topic of discussion. Melky will be in center next season unless a trade for Cameron is made.

  28. Moneyball December 20th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Wish I got NFL network. This is crazy…. Over on Mlbtraderumors there is a link stating Boras contacted Cashman stating an 8 yr/180mil deal could land Tex. I was against the decision to sign him but after reading that, sign me up.

  29. Pel December 20th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    That was an unbelievable finish. Just… awesome.

  30. CB December 20th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    The Tex story gets more interesting.

    Kat O’Brien is now reporting to clarify and follow up on that John Heyman report from this morning that the yanks were talking to Boras about Tex.

    O’Brien has very good sources with the yanks.

    She is now saying that it was Boras who called Cashman. And Boras said that it would take $180M to sign Tex right now.

    So what this means is that all of those Peter Gammons reports of Boston having bid $180M are completely false.

    If Boston had bid $180M then they would have signed Tex on thursday.

    I’d be Boston leaked those numbers to Gammons to try to scare off competition.

    So now it gets interesting. Boras calls Cashman on Friday and say Tex is yours for $180-185M.

    This essentially puts a kind of ceiling on Tex’s price. It also tells the yankees that Tex hasn’t gotten an offer that good.

    Now in response the yankees leak a story that they are considering a bid of $160.

    If Boras’s asking price is $180 and Boston hasn’t bid up to that level – and the yankees are leaking they’d offer $160 – the yankees are basically saying that we are willing to play in the red sox neighborhood. Now tex will have to make the choice between us and the sox – the offers are the same.

    Here’s O’brien quoting an unamed yankee official:

    “A source said the Yankees have not ruled out making an offer for Teixeira, saying: “We’re debating it. Some in the organization want to do it.”

    This language that we’re hearing in these leaks is far stronger than what we’ve heard before about the yankees level of interest in making a bid.

    Again – this could all be the yankees just faking interest to drive up the price.

    But this is much stronger language and more significant levels of leaks than anything we’ve seen up to this point.

    After being so quiet for so long it’s not an accident that the yankees would leak two stories to Newsday and the Times on the same day for no reason.

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....0917.story

  31. Phil December 20th, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

    Boras has told the Yanks that Tex can be had for 8/180M?

  32. Jerome Manhattan December 20th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    LAURA GET OFF YOUR CROSS AND OPEN YOUR EYEBALLS!!!

    MANNY Vs MARK TEXIERA FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS OF MARIANO IS A LAUGHABLE COMPARISON

    STOP SACRIFICING TODAY FOR TOMORROW WHEN TOMORROW WILL BE A TIME WITHOUT THE ONE TRUE UNASSAILABLY UNIQUE RIVERA!!

    Texiera isn’t half the talent Ramirez is even now.

    Texiera is an above average 1b THAT’S ALL

    MANNY MAKES ALEX LOOK LIKE-Well Alex in the playoffs.

    Laura do you even like the Yankees?

    GAMBLE??

    ABSOLUTELY BUT THIS IS THE M F ING YANKEES WHO ARE TODAY PAYING A MAN 14 MILLION TO PITCH 3rd in the Rotation for the TRENTON THUNDER
    \
    IF IT DOESN”T PAN OUT CUT HIM!!!

    STOP THIS HOLY ROLLER TRUE BELIEVER BULL$HIT

    You’re acting like children

  33. harwood December 20th, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    Beltran all over again?

  34. CB December 20th, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    “The only advantage Tex has over Manny in the hitting department is that Tex has several more years were he will be productive. Manny is 36. How many more good years does he have left?”

    If the yankees signed Manny to a 2 year deal or even 3 year Manny’s age is unlikely to be a significant factor with regards to his bat.

    At the age of 36 Manny had the kind of year at the plate that Tex at the age of 28 has never even remotely come close to matching.

    Not even remotely. Tex has never, ever even once come close to being as good as Manny was in 2008. Not even close. He jsut doesn’t have the kind of talent Manny has at the plate. It’s not even comparable.

    So age isn’t a big deal at the plate because Manny at age 36 is already so much better than Tex age 28. Manny’s not going to fall off any cliff as his current level of production off his last season is so astronomically high.

    If Manny is 10-15% worse next year than he was last year – he’ll still be better at the plate than tex likely will.

    Manny’s age will affect him defensively however – there he’ll continue to get worse. He’s a DH.

  35. YankeeJosh December 20th, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    CB, disregarding the non-baseball stuff, who do you think is the better option for the Yankees, Teixeira or Manny?

  36. Laura - Say No to Manny December 20th, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    “Boras has told the Yanks that Tex can be had for 8/180M?”

    I’d do that deal. I would have liked to have gotten Tex for (at the most) $20mil, but 22.5mil isn’t breaking the bank.

  37. E-Rod December 20th, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    If he can be had for 8/$180 then lets get him. No question.

    Either way we should enter the bidding officially, regardless.

  38. Laura - Say No to Manny December 20th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    “If Manny is 10-15% worse next year than he was last year – he’ll still be better at the plate than tex likely will.”

    The operative word being *likely*. We don’t know what lies ahead for Tex just like we don’t know what lies ahead for Manny. Maybe Tex has an A-Rod type of year. Maybe Manny gets hurt. He does have that bad knee. :wink:

    I’d rather take my chances with a 28yr old who can play a position that we are lacking than a DH we don’t really need. But that’s just me. :P

  39. Yank1 December 20th, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    If Boras did indeed have dialogue with Cashman and have that 8/$180 price… then we should JUMP all over this. Do not let this opportunity slip away.

  40. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 20th, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    if the yanks got teix, the sux fans will go CRAZYYY lmao that will be such a delight to watch if it does happen.

  41. Phil December 20th, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    If he can be had for 8/180, he can probably be had for less. The Yanks should definitely be negotiating.

  42. CB December 20th, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    “Boras has told the Yanks that Tex can be had for 8/180M?”

    Tex’s negotiations with the Sox, Angels, and Nats have all stalled and Boras is clearly now trying to rope the Yankees back in to turn this into an auction again.

    Boras has lost leverage. He’s trying to get it back with the only card he has left to play in this economic environment – the yankees.

    Boras is not happy with the bids he has and now he’s making overtures to the yanks – look for this price Tex is yours.

    Of course if the yanks bite at $180 then Tex shops that offer back to the Sox and away we go.

    But instead of jumping in and biting – what do the yankees do? They leak a price that’s likely the same or a little lower than what boston has bid – $160M.

    The yankees are essentially reacting with that leak of an offer at $160M in a way which slows down what Boras is trying to do.

    They are saying we’ll match boston and the angels but we’re not going to start giving you leverage by outbidding the high bid.

    We’ll match boston but that’s it – aftewards tex will need to chose where he plays.

    This is potentially very, very interesting now.

    This would be an unbelievable coup if the yanks played this coy for this long and jumped in when they sensed Boras had run out of leverage, that the bids had plateaued and there was a blood in the water.

  43. E-Man December 20th, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    “Boras has told the Yanks that Tex can be had for 8/180M?”

    Hey, Have fun on the Nationals!

  44. YankeeRay December 21st, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Well we might as well sign both of them like I suggested weeks ago.
    Trade Nady and Matsui and we are set for the kill.

  45. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 21st, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Didn’t see it here but MLBTR says the Nats just signed Daniel Cabrera. I wonder if being slotted right into their rotation, which I assume he will, is the best thing for getting the most out of his talent. Everything i’ve read and we’ve talked about here says that he needs some work, and being the veteran starter in Washington doesn’t seem like the best thing for him imo. Anybody else?

  46. CB December 21st, 2008 at 12:02 am

    “disregarding the non-baseball stuff, who do you think is the better option for the Yankees, Teixeira or Manny?”

    There’s really no contest – Tex is the much, much better fit even though manny is the much better hitter.

    Manny just doesn’t have a good place to fit on the yanks given that he is really a DH. Defensively he’s a real problem.

    You can’t play Manny in LF at the stadium. That’s a disaster. So much so that manny will give away huge chunks of his offensive value – not small – huge.

    So he has to be a DH. Fine. But then you have to give up Matsui who is likely going to hit well. So Manny is better than Matsui – but still you have to subtract Matsui’s numbers from Manny’s to figure out what the marginal value of Manny is.

    And then to trade Matsui you have to eat a big chunk of his contract making Manny’s acquisition more costly than his salary.

    So Manny’s defensive shortcomings and having Matsui/ matsui’s salary are major reasons why he’s just not a good fit.

    Tex is a very good fit. He improves the infield defense. And if you play him at first you move Swisher to LF and then you can take a chance with Damon in CF perhaps. Or you trade Nady.

    That is a wonderful fit. In particular, if they can play Damon in CF with Tex at 1b then this is a true offensive juggernaut. By far the best offensive team in baseball. It won’t be that close.

  47. Dan Forus December 21st, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Manny for 3 yrs > Teixeria for 8

    Not even close. Manny will have a MUCH bigger impact than Teix will. His postseason resume speaks for itself as well as the fear he puts in opposing pitchers.

    Signing Tex would be just more of the same– another mercenary who has never won anything getting a record setting deal and hampering the payroll and tying up a position. Manny is a winner, Tex is not.

  48. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2008 at 12:05 am

    I see Robi coming back in a big way. All reports of his work this off-sesaon have been encouraging. He & Melky just have to lay off the platanos.

    I wonder if Melky sees Juan Rivera and says ” Gee, I could do that.”

  49. Phil December 21st, 2008 at 12:07 am

    I think if we get Tex we trade Nady. Or combine Nady with something else of value and go for something really good.

  50. OldYanksFan December 21st, 2008 at 12:08 am

    There is a FA bat on the market. Baseball Reference lists his 10 comps at his current age as:

    Darryl Strawberry (920)
    Jose Canseco (906)
    Harmon Killebrew (902) *
    Rocky Colavito (895)
    Reggie Jackson (889) *
    Troy Glaus (867)
    Tom Brunansky (865)
    Barry Bonds (861)
    Roger Maris (859)
    Boog Powell (859)

    Who is he and should we get him???

  51. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 21st, 2008 at 12:08 am

    Phil I agree. I think if we get Tex we might package Nady and Kennedy + for a CF and then we’re really cooking offensively (on paper). Damon– CF trade — Swish.

  52. YankeeJosh December 21st, 2008 at 12:11 am

    CB, thanks. I agree with you completely, and think Manny is more of a forced fit and not jus because of the character issue.

    I’m not sure I believe that the Yankees would be the best offense in the AL with Teix, but I think it’d be more than enough with the pitching the team has added. I’d feel really good going to war with the team the Yankees have now if we just add Teixeira.

  53. 8 time December 21st, 2008 at 12:11 am

    My god, some of you are WAY too presumptuous and are setting yourselves up for disappointment.

    There has been NO offer to Teixeria. All that was said is Boras called Cashman and tried to get him involved in the bidding. Never said we did or that we were going to. Of course Boras was going to call Cashman, he needs us in the bidding, that is not news.

    The quote said they are debating it. The article is titled “Yankees on fringe of Teixeria talks”. Nothing substantial at all. We are on the outside looking in and there is some internal discussions about it.

    Until there is an official offer, don’t get too excited.

  54. CB December 21st, 2008 at 12:12 am

    After Tampa Bay, Damon, Gardner/Melky and Swisher is one of the best defensive outfields in baseball. Perhaps the best after Tampa.

    Swisher is a very good corner outfielder.

    Tex’s maximum value however would be derived from moving Swisher to left and Damon in CF.

    If that arrangement were ever viable the offense would be unbelievable.

    Tex at first with Damon in CF – this team projects to win 100 games or slightly over.

  55. Bronx Jeers December 21st, 2008 at 12:12 am

    “Didn’t see it here but MLBTR says the Nats just signed Daniel Cabrera. ”

    Jeter’s left hand and ARod’s left elbow just threw a party!

  56. pat December 21st, 2008 at 12:13 am

    As I said earlier today, Boras is using the “Buy Now” button on Tex like it’s E-Bay.

    Interesting that the alleged Yankees “buy now” is 180 million and the alleged Sox “buy now” is 195 million.

  57. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 21st, 2008 at 12:13 am

    The Cowboys loss I’m done for the night

    GOODNIGHT ERYBODY ! MERRY XMAS !!!! :lol:

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!

  58. SCRANTON December 21st, 2008 at 12:13 am

    As a Yankees fan it is not even close who I would rather see against us in a big spot. Tex is not even half the force Manny is.

  59. Phil December 21st, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Since they’ve already met, there doesn’t have to be an official offer for them to meet with Tex and close it. They already met and perhaps pursuant to that, Boras called them Yesterday and told them what it would take. The Yanks don’t have to do anything official to just get in a room and close it with Tex.

  60. Joba Da Heat December 21st, 2008 at 12:15 am

    This is such a tease, you know we’re not going to get seriously involved.The only reason these anonymous Yankee officials are keeping the talks alive with generic “we’re debating it” quotes and not outright dismissing them is to keep Boston on their heels.

    If we were serious, you would have heard more substantial rumblings like we were prepared to make an offer or seriously engaged or something. Outside looking in isin’t anything to get excited about.

  61. E-Man December 21st, 2008 at 12:15 am

    “There is a FA bat on the market. Baseball Reference lists his 10 comps at his current age as:

    Darryl Strawberry (920)
    Jose Canseco (906)
    Harmon Killebrew (902) *
    Rocky Colavito (895)
    Reggie Jackson (889) *
    Troy Glaus (867)
    Tom Brunansky (865)
    Barry Bonds (861)
    Roger Maris (859)
    Boog Powell (859)

    Who is he and should we get him???”

    I think it’s been debated to death and the answer is NO.

  62. We need the big guy!! December 21st, 2008 at 12:15 am

    The Angels offer is probably at $165m and Boston’s is $170-$175m. So Boras is basically asking the Yanks to out bid them by $10m. I really hope that Cashman at least makes an offer even if he doesn’t take it so at least he tried. I really think that Hank and Hal are thinking about and warming up to it but Cashman is probably telling them it is too much money. It is obvious that he is coming to the east coast so the Yanks would make him choose between Boston and the Yanks. I definitely think he would pick the Yanks if the money is close. If I was the Cash I would offer $175m but nothing more then that. He is not worth almost $25m a year. I still do not understand why Cashman traded for Swisher in November. Not to say that the Yanks definitely would of signed Tex but there was absolutely no reason to move soo quickly on Swish and his $21m contract when he could of been traded for at any time later in the off season.

  63. SCRANTON December 21st, 2008 at 12:16 am

    The Yankees are interested in signing Teixeira, according to two people in baseball with knowledge of the matter, but for the moment are unwilling to pay him more than $160 million over eight years, one of them said.http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12......html?_r=2

  64. Clint December 21st, 2008 at 12:17 am

    The more likely outcome is that the Yankees will remain on the sideline. Cashman said this past week that the club plans to have a lower payroll in 2009. Unless they do not re-sign Andy Pettitte and trade away some salary (e.g. Kei Igawa, Xavier Nady), it would be tough to add Teixeira without raising total payroll.
    ——————————–

    That paragraph kind of defeats the mood of the article.

  65. SCRANTON December 21st, 2008 at 12:18 am

    $160Mil is not going to get it done guys.

  66. CB December 21st, 2008 at 12:18 am

    “There has been NO offer to Teixeria. All that was said is Boras called Cashman and tried to get him involved in the bidding. Never said we did or that we were going to.”

    Sure. That only follows. In all probability the yankees will not sign Tex for all the myriad of reasons people have discussed.

    But at the same time – the Newsday article and even more importantly – the NY Times article that MLBTR hasn’t yet linked too – up the level of interest the yankees have past the level they’ve demonstrated up to this point.

    In all liklihood this is the yankees trying to drive Tex’s price up.

    That’s fine. They should. But clearly this is an evolution of their reported interest.

  67. NJ in Tampa December 21st, 2008 at 12:19 am

    Guess there isn’t a lot of talent in those leagues this winter.

  68. Don December 21st, 2008 at 12:21 am

    If we’re unwilling to go over $160, then we are not getting him.

    As soon as we enter the bidding, Boston will go to $180 and that will be the end of it.

    The only way this strategy works is if he is willing to take a discount to play here. Otherwise Boston will just outbid us.

  69. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 21st, 2008 at 12:22 am

    “$160Mil is not going to get it done guys.”

    Then he really doesn’t want to be here.

    The farthest I’d go is 100/5 or 90/4… he isn’t a 23 mill per yr. type player, that is just ridiculous. He wants to play here prove it take a shorter contract if not ADIOS :D

  70. SCRANTON December 21st, 2008 at 12:25 am

    I’m all for Manny.

  71. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 21st, 2008 at 12:26 am

    sorry teix is good, but for 8 years? really people, think about that.

    we will be stuck with him, no one is going to take that contract after the deal is done, teix is good, but he isnt GOD, or worth 8/$180.

    sorry no deal.

  72. Front Row December 21st, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Cashman better hurry up. Teix said he wanted a resolution by Christmas.

    If Boras doesn’t sense that we are serious, then he will try and get something done with the teams he has been in contact with.

    We have had MONTHS to debate this. We were out of the race in late August…. we have had all the time in the world to decide what we wanted to do. Make a decision and go with it.

  73. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 21st, 2008 at 12:28 am

    “I’m all for Manny.”

    Since Tues. he’s told some of his friends he’d take a short contract to play in NY and stick it to Boston. IDK he scares me in so many ways there would have to be so many precautions taken w/ him.

  74. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 21st, 2008 at 12:30 am

    -Cashman better hurry up. Teix said he wanted a resolution by Christmas.-

    Cashman doesn’t have to do nothing, he got us a stronger pitching staff this year, Tex right now is at the point where if he wants to come to NY he knows what he has to do, we don’t have to do nothing here.

  75. John December 21st, 2008 at 12:30 am

    So, are the Yanks assuming that the Sox/Boras are bluffing about their offer and that it isin’t $175ish like it is has been portrayed?

    Because otherwise, they are crazy if they think Teixeria will take $20 million or so less to come here (and thats $20 million less than the Sox, not even counting this alleged mystery team with the current high bid).

    It will look awfully foolish for the Yankees to enter the bidding at a lower bid than the current one, especially for a Boras client. That could have worked with the West Coast teams and CC, it isin’t goign to work with a Boras client who has offers from 3 Eastern teams already.

    Seems like a waste of time unless they are ‘in it to win it’, IMO.

  76. CB December 21st, 2008 at 12:32 am

    “If we’re unwilling to go over $160, then we are not getting him.”

    That’s not what the NY Times article said.

    This is what it said – “but for the moment are unwilling to pay him more than $160 million over eight years, one of them said.”

    The key phrase there is “but for the moment…”

    Again – it’s not likely to happen. This is probably the yankees doing as was expected – trying to drive the price up for either the Sox or the Angels.

    But it’s the yankees trying to plant some kind of seed.

  77. Quilvio Imposter December 21st, 2008 at 12:34 am

    Did those articles really tell us anything we already didn’t know?

    Of course we have interest in Teixeria. Yankee officials are ‘debating’ the issue. We will not be the high bidder and will basically only enter the bidding if we can steal him for a lower price. Boras is desperately trying to get us to enter the fray and giving us a price. Did not say what Cashman’s intentions were at all.

  78. yankeenate December 21st, 2008 at 12:38 am

    I’m for the Yankees driving up the price on Tex and then signing Manny for 2 yrs with a vesting option for the 3rd. Allow both Damon and Manny to man the outfield except when Pettite pitches. Then sit Manny and play Gardner.

  79. AP December 21st, 2008 at 12:40 am

    There has been much more substantial buzz about Manny than there has been about Teix. Atleast with Manny, the lines were drawn. Hank wants him, Hal in the middle, Cash doesn’t. Then there was the Daily News report today where it said Manny expects us to offer 3 years. Olney and Rosenthal also both think we have a good chance of landing him. Really the only publication that understates our interest in Newsday. The Post, Daily News, Times, FOX Sports, SI, and ESPN have all had various reports citing our interest in Manny as well as the organization’s thought process. Nothing of the sort for Teixeria– all the articles have talked about us on the periphery.

  80. S.A.- CC+Wang=An Awesome 1 and 2! No Manny! December 21st, 2008 at 12:42 am

    **Note to all other sports franchises. When closing down a stadium, do the “ceremony/celebration” before the game.

  81. dan 771 December 21st, 2008 at 12:43 am

    might as well sign tex and manny

    get both of them

  82. We need the big guy!! December 21st, 2008 at 12:44 am

    I really think it is much more likely that the Yanks sign Tex then Manny. It might sound crazy because Tex will cost about $100m more. But I can’t see Cashman allowing a Manny signing. If he didn’t quit on Boston then yes but the Yanks are going to be much too concerned about giving him 2-3 years and then him quitting on them.

    I think the Cash should offer Tex $170m even if it isn’t the highest bid at least that would make Boston pay even more for him. Say another $10m more. Boston stuck it to the Yanks major with Santana and briefly with CC. It is Cash’s job to pay back the friendly jester and make sure they pay more.

  83. Francis December 21st, 2008 at 12:48 am

    My MAXIMUM contract offers would be the following

    Teixeria – 5/$60 – $12 million a year. Nice player, not a game changer.

    Manny – An incentive laden contract that could be worth up to $6 million for 1 year with a team option for year 2.

    Anything more than this is overpaying.

  84. CB December 21st, 2008 at 12:51 am

    “Did those articles really tell us anything we already didn’t know?”

    Sure.

    We know that it’s very unlikely that the rumored $200M offer the Nats may have made in fact exists.

    We know that Peter Gammons report that Boston offered $180M is unlikely to be true.

    We know that the report that Teix supposedly asked Henry for $195M is either false or that Boras has now walked that offer back to $180M.

    Outside of that the NY Times report is the first to even suggest in any way that they yankees might be willing to take on another large $100M+ contract at this time.

    Those are all new pieces of information.

    What that information means is unclear as this could all be smoke and mirrors, particularly on the part of the yankees as they try to drive the price up on the sox.

  85. you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 21st, 2008 at 12:51 am

    S.A,

    wait are talking about the cowboys? they are having a closing ceremony after the game? LMAO

    you would think they would learn from the mets mistake, or just use common sense. lmaoo

  86. jennifer December 21st, 2008 at 12:51 am

    Francis- You would never get any free agent signing with those offers.

  87. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 21st, 2008 at 12:52 am

    -might as well sign tex and manny-

    -get both of them-

    -I think the Cash should offer Tex $170m even if it isn’t the highest bid at least- -that would make Boston pay even more for him. Say another $10m more.-

    Say ummm No.

  88. YankeeJosh December 21st, 2008 at 12:55 am

    you gotta have faith

    Teixeira will be 36 at the end of an 8 year contrct. Whoever gets him gets 6 years of him in his prime under age 35. It’s not like the 8 year deal takes him near 40. Teix is a good bet to produce for the vast majority if not all of that contract.

  89. NJ 88 December 21st, 2008 at 12:57 am

    Sign Manny, pair him with his Domincan buddy from the Heights.

    Throw CC in the mix now

    Girardi trying to control all these egos and stars

    Wow, this team would be an absolute freak show. But we’d be winning games.

  90. Viper December 21st, 2008 at 12:57 am

    Then there was the Daily News report today where it said Manny expects us to offer 3 years. Olney and Rosenthal also both think we have a good chance of landing him. Really the only publication that understates our interest in Newsday. The Post, Daily News, Times, FOX Sports, SI, and ESPN have all had various reports citing our interest in Manny as well as the organization’s thought process.

    ————–

    That’s not really true at all. The only writers who keep pushing the Manny stuff is Feinsand and Heyman.

    Everyone else has downplayed the rumors about Manny like Pete, Kepner, Curry, Olney, Sherman, Sweeny, O’Brien, Davidoff, and Gammons.

    Olney just said a couple of days ago that the only way Manny becomes a Yankee is if his market completely crashes on him and he falls into their lap on a one-year deal.

    Mutli-year deals have not even been considered.

    The truth of the matter is Feinsand and Heyman have been the only ones driving this story. Everyone else thinks it’s baloney.

  91. Nick in SF December 21st, 2008 at 12:59 am

    Can Manny go to the Nationals?

  92. Jerzz December 21st, 2008 at 1:01 am

    Manny has a MUCH greater chance of being a Yankee than Tex

  93. killa December 21st, 2008 at 1:01 am

    Jerome are u a idiot you can’t offer texiera 5 and 120 and reasonably except to sign him hes lookin for 10 and 200 million..the yankees just signed the best pitcher in baseball and threw 82 at Burnett, be confident with what they have and deal with it. Brining in Manny is not what this team needs, they need speed, give Melky and Gardner a shot to compete at center, if they both seem like they can’t do it take the bannana and pay most of Cameron’s salary for Melky. Enough with the complaining about the offense we just spent 250 million dollars on pitchers to get a rotation together.

  94. riyankeefan777 December 21st, 2008 at 1:10 am

    we have to give melk a fair shot this offseason. he had a bad year in 08, but it looks like hes working on his mechanics and hopefully his behavior. the way hes playing in winterball right now, we gotta give him another shot. im hoping all these trade rumors was a wake up call and he gets his s#$t together. dont forget in 07 he was one of if not the best in of assists

  95. 50 cenrel December 21st, 2008 at 1:11 am

    Heyman is a Boras schill, so its hard to take him seriously regarding Manny.

    But Fiensand is very reliable and one of the best beat writers out there. Even Pete speaks highly of him.

  96. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 21st, 2008 at 1:14 am

    -Jerome are u a idiot you can’t offer texiera 5 and 120 and reasonably except to- -sign him hes lookin for 10 and 200 million..-

    1. Your peoples skills needs work

    2. The point is Cash isn’t giving 8 or 10 yrs. to him

    3. 5/120 is 24 million per that’s alot of scratch for someone not worth it.

    4. 5/100 or 4/90 is more reasonable if he doesn’t want it then to hell w/ him. What does TB, BOS, PHI, CHI have in common ? they all made it to the WS w/ no Teixeira.

    5. CC, AJ, WANG, TBA, JOBA…. I like my chances w/o Tex now.

  97. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! Get Dunn. No Tex & Manny. December 21st, 2008 at 1:16 am

    the Cowboys suck!!!

    where’s the freaking offense and defense tonight??

    :x

  98. riyankeefan777 December 21st, 2008 at 1:18 am

    i feel were gonna see a different melk man and cano from last year, jast have to have faith and be a little patient

  99. Brandon (Cash on Tex "Not us" , CC & AJ are Yankees!)..."Bring on Dunn and Sheets!" December 21st, 2008 at 1:19 am

    Cano maybe but not Melk

  100. 50 cenrel December 21st, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Ed,

    Cowboys shot their wad during that Giants game (and the Steelers game too for that matter).

    Hard to conjure up enough energy to show up tonight against an out of conference opponent who they were favored against and a rookie QB. They have a BRUTAL finish to the season playing 4 physical teams. That was the downfall.

    Amazing what a treat a team like Tampa gets… Chargers and Raiders flying across the country in their final 2 games.

  101. Viper December 21st, 2008 at 1:20 am

    But Fiensand is very reliable and one of the best beat writers out there. Even Pete speaks highly of him.

    ———————-

    I agree that Feinsand is one of the better Yankee beatwriters and is generally very reliable.

    But that doesn’t mean he isn’t wrong on this issue and exaggerating the Yanks’ supposed interest in Manny.

  102. heyya December 21st, 2008 at 1:22 am

    I am noticing two very contrasting arguments when speaking about Teixeira. People either love him or hate him. Personally, I love the guy, cause he is a great defender, and can do many things offensively. However, he is no Pujols (which I have more respect for in the game than anyone else), and although he is worth every penny of his 10 year $200 million deal (in my opinion), it wouldn’t be wise to sign him. Not because he won’t help our team, but because of the money issue. We can make it to the World series without him, and although he would help us, we aren’t going to have a $300 million payroll anytime soon. We needed Sabathia more than Teixeira, and there was no doubt about this. People need to grasp the very simple concept of making smart decisions. The world isn’t Cashmans’ cause if it was, I doubt he’d be the Yankees GM.

  103. Ed - CC and Wang, the Dynamite Duo! Get Dunn. No Tex & Manny. December 21st, 2008 at 1:22 am

    Glad the Cowboys isn’t making it to the playoffs. They don’t deserve it. Jones and TO will be GONEEEEE!

  104. james December 21st, 2008 at 1:26 am

    Ed – It’s ok… just think of all the fun that baseball season will be. 57 days until spring training

  105. NITRO December 21st, 2008 at 1:26 am

    T.O. and Donovan McNabb will be reunited on the Raiders next year.

  106. riyankeefan777 December 21st, 2008 at 1:27 am

    Amazing what a treat a team like Tampa gets… Chargers and Raiders flying across the country in their final 2 games.

    yeah i saw that today and as a falcon fan im a little annoyed with that! lol we have at minn and against st louis. minnesota, as long as they feed turner the rock they have a chance and should destroy st louis. tampa def has the advantage there unless garcia cant play

  107. killa December 21st, 2008 at 1:29 am

    Sorry for the outrage. Just getting tired of the texiera talk already and the ridiculous offers for him. He’s not Albert Pujols.

  108. riyankeefan777 December 21st, 2008 at 1:30 am

    “T.O. and Donovan McNabb will be reunited on the Raiders next year.”

    youre half right! t.o yeah definitely lol but my pick is vick when hes eligible1 that team is to football what the land of misfit toys is to rudolph the red nosed reindeer lmao

  109. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 21st, 2008 at 1:30 am

    Can’t wait to freeze my backside off at the Meadowlands tomorrow from 5-11. Bradshaw will be toting the rock AND the cowboys lost. Recipe for a great Sunday.

  110. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 21st, 2008 at 1:33 am

    killa
    December 21st, 2008 at 1:29 am
    Sorry for the outrage. Just getting tired of the texiera talk already and the ridiculous offers for him. He’s not Albert Pujols.

    =========================

    He damn sure isn’t Pujols, Pujols is going to get 30m+ a year on the open market.

  111. Don December 21st, 2008 at 1:37 am

    riyankee,

    Without Pat Williams, you should have a much easier time feeding Turner tomorrow. Your D could also force Taveres Jackson into some mistakes, he isin’t as good as he locked against ARZ last week.

    As a Giants fan, I’m rooting hard for you guys considering we clinch a first round bye with a Falcons win over MIN so good luck!

  112. vtred December 21st, 2008 at 1:39 am

    Rob,

    No doubt, tomorrow should be fun. We need to get back on track tomorrow. We’re healthy (Robbins, Jacobs, et.) and are at home in bad weather. I think we’re going to break out tomorrow.

  113. riyankeefan777 December 21st, 2008 at 1:42 am

    “riyankee,

    Without Pat Williams, you should have a much easier time feeding Turner tomorrow. Your D could also force Taveres Jackson into some mistakes, he isin’t as good as he locked against ARZ last week.

    As a Giants fan, I’m rooting hard for you guys considering we clinch a first round bye with a Falcons win over MIN so good luck”

    thanks don, good luck to the g-men too1 thats what im counting on w our o and hopefully abe can get to him a few times and force some fumbles w those sacks! good luck tomorrow, im hoping jacobs takes out a few d-linemen if he plays1 i have him on my fantasy so i need a big game!

  114. AROD fan December 21st, 2008 at 2:21 am

    Guys, I think we need to get real with our defensive expectations of players.

    We saw that Manny can be good defensively when he wants to. The reality is, even though the offensive era (or the mlb starts peddling steriods era) is showing signs of decline, it is still more profitable for teams to protect their good hitters by instructing them not to go all out in the outfield every single day. These teams are spending upwards of 20MM on this player! They need this player not to get injured, and telling them to play it safe in the field is one way to do that. It’s the same issue with Bobby Abreu. These guys are good hitters. Their defensive capabilities are totally replaceable by legions of Brett Gardners waiting in the wings. Manny’s offensive capabilities: obviously not as easily replaceable.

  115. AROD fan December 21st, 2008 at 2:22 am

    Good point about Pujols.

  116. Anthony December 21st, 2008 at 3:40 am

    I think between Tex and Manny that Tex is the better choice for the team overall.

    Consider the following two normal lineups:
    Tex 1B
    Cano 2B
    Jeter SS
    ARod 3B
    Posada C
    Nady RF
    Swisher CF
    Damon LF
    Matsui DH

    Swisher 1B
    Cano 2B
    Jeter SS
    ARod 3B
    Nady RF
    Gardener/Damon CF
    Damon/Ramirez LF
    Ramirez/Matsui DH

    With the Tex lineup we have obviously better defense and we get to have a pretty good bat at every spot in the order. Unlike the Manny lineup which would require some substantial playing time for Gardner (or Melky). Is the difference between Gardner or Melky and Matsui or Damon large enough to make up for the offensive upgrade from Manny to Tex? I think so. Maybe we’d get lucky and one of Melky or Gardner would turn into something above average, but I don’t think we can consider it likely.

  117. Viper December 21st, 2008 at 3:56 am

    That is such a cop out.

    There are plenty of players out there who always give it 100% no matter how much they are paid. The top players on this team are perfect examples of it – A-Rod, and Jeter.

    Defense means something in this game and has a lot to do with the reason the Yankee FO decided to let Abreu walk even though he can still be a pretty good offensive player.

    Cashman has preached getting younger, more athletic, and better defensively this offseason for a reason.

    A huge chunk of Manny’s offensive production would be negated by his defense because an outfield of Manny in LF and Damon in CF would be the worst in the league.

    Name the last time the worst defensive team in the league won the World Series (or their division for that matter).

    I can tell you it’s not a very long list. Defense is not at all replaceable.

  118. jimmy1138 December 21st, 2008 at 4:08 am

    Okay, you can sum it up in one sentence: the Winter Leagues are below AAA.
    Maybe the Yankees can trick some other teams into thinking Melky or Kennedy have some kind of trade value but they shouldn’t do that to themselves.

  119. rick December 21st, 2008 at 6:33 am

    the yankees will sign either tex or manny….there is just too much smoke around these players not to think the yankees are not in the game.

  120. Viper December 21st, 2008 at 6:49 am

    Not necessarily.

    Boras wants the Yanks involved with all of his guys whether they are serious or not because his clients’ price tags go up.

    In fact, Kat O’Brien flat out said that contact made between the two parties was initiated by Boras.

    ———

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....?track=rss

    Despite agent Scott Boras’ efforts to get the Yankees involved in the Mark Teixeira sweepstakes, the Yankees remain on the periphery of the bidding, sources said yesterday.

    Early yesterday, SI.com’s Jon Heyman reported that in the wake of the Red Sox’s decision to step away from the negotiating table, the Yankees (and Angels) were back in dialogue with Boras about Teixeira. The article also said the Yankees had discussed parameters of a possible deal with Boras.

    Two sources confirmed that Boras and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman talked Friday, but they said it was Boras – not Cashman – who initiated contact.

    One source said Boras gave Cashman an estimate of what it would cost to land Teixeira, a superb defensive and offensive first baseman. The ballpark figure reportedly was about $22 million to $23 million per year on an eight-year contract, for a total of $180 million to $185 million.

    The source said Boras wanted to give the Yankees an opportunity to make an offer. The Yankees currently do not have an offer on the table for Teixeira.

    —————–

    In fact, the only other time the Yanks had any talks with Teixeira was the night before the Winter Meetings, which was also initiated by Boras – not Cashman.

    As far as Manny is concerned, there isn’t a shred of evidence that confirms the Yanks are seriously considering him as an option.

    Most beatwriters not named Feinsand think the rumors are bogus and far fetched.

  121. Randym77 December 21st, 2008 at 7:24 am

    I can’t get too excited about winter ball stats. IIRC, Melky kicked butt in winter ball last year, too.

    I think it’s time to cut bait on Leche. Yes, he showed amazing patience his rookie year…but that was a fluke. He never showed that kind of patience in the minors, and that’s something that usually develops early. Some of the stat-heads predicted that his high OBP in his rookie year was just a fluke, and it’s looking like they’re right.

    Gardner, OTOH, has had a high OBP throughout his minor league career. Give him a shot, or trade for Cameron, but I’ve had enough of Melky.

  122. Baseball Guy December 21st, 2008 at 8:15 am

    Since the Cameron trade seems off, I would sign Texieria and just put Gardner in CF. Give Gardner 150 at bats and see what happens. Let Melky begin in AAA, if Gardner can’t cut it, Melky can come up to play CF. With Tex’s bat, all they really need in CF is a good glove and strong arm. Melky and Gardner both have that. If Garner works out, I’d see what I get offered on Melky. I think for some teams, he’s be a serviceable player.

  123. incognito December 21st, 2008 at 8:21 am

    There are folks who seem to think that Manny would be a disgrace to the Yankees uniform, if that’s a worry, please have a look at Araton’s article in today’s NY Times:

    ttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/sports/baseball/21araton.html?_r=1&ref=baseball

    As for fitting in with GI Joe, here’s an example for us to remember; Dock Ellis.

    As most of you know, I’m sure, Dock passed away yesterday. When Ellis was traded to the Yanks, speculation was rife that Dock and “Billy the Kid” would have a showdown by high noon, if not pistols at 50 paces at dawn. In fact, they hit it off famously and Dock, thriving under Martin, had one of his best years ever.

    I’m not saying, to extend the metaphor, that the Yanks will pull the trigger on getting Manny (some would prefer they shot down the whole idea), but if they do, then we’d definitely see what Girardi is made of. To me, the secret to handling Manny is not to appease him in every possible way, but rather to challenge him – with positive challenges.

    Having said that, I’m really leaning to Teix on this, if they can get it done at a reasonable price, otherwise, I think it will be Manny, whether folks here like it or not. Then again, I don’t know if they get can get creative enough to get MR and, at the same time, keep Matsui.

    It promises to stay interesting.

  124. GreenBeret7 December 21st, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Ramirez responds to nothing but dollar sign…that’s his only challenge.

  125. Bret the Hitman December 21st, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Re: Boras negotiations

    Boras needs the Yankees involved in the Tex bidding, but he also wants to know how far he can push us in our spending on the Manny sweepstakes which is just around the corner.

    Perhaps the Yankees floated a 160 mil 8 year proposal for Tex in order to outline their budgetary limits in coming negotiations over Manny. Maybe they’re just telling Boras that they’re only willing to add an additional 20 million in payroll.

    In essense, this phantom offer (yes, it’s not a real offer) to Tex is just our way of saying that we’re not going to spend much more than 20 mil per annually on any player, not even Boras’ most valuable commodity in Tex.

    Boras has to feel extremely concerned with Manny’s shrinking market moreso than forcing an uptick in the Tex bidding. While 4-5 teams have been involved with Tex, Manny’s only received 1 offer and it was only for 2 years.

    So if Manny is looking for 3 years then the Yankees are leaking an estimate that doesn’t exceed 20 mil per.

    Let us remember. Cashman met with Boras before the Winter Meetings and likely wanted to keep all options open with all Boras clients, not just Tex.

  126. LathamJoe December 21st, 2008 at 9:09 am

    Encouraging news on Kennedy, Melky and Cano.
    However temper that report with the fact that competition in the Puerto Rican Winter League is probably at AA level here in the US.

    Trade Nady (while he has value) for a CFer and sign Ramirez for 2-3 years.

    I hate to back track but the Yankees could have solved their centerfield problem in 2005 by signing Carlos Beltran

  127. Tom December 21st, 2008 at 9:17 am

    Nationals Sign Daniel Cabrera.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-sign.html

    I don’t know what is is with Bowden. He loves reclamation projects…

  128. Bret the Hitman December 21st, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Re: Kennedy and his BB totals

    Kennedy is still walking too many hitters. If the Yankees re-sign Pettitte, I think IPK becomes expendable at the trade deadline unless injuries force him back into the bigs. The reports of him refining his curveball with his former coach are encouraging. He has the stuff to be a mid-rotation starter in the NL. But in the AL East, he’s far less valuable if he continues to walk hitters.

  129. Victor the Predictor December 21st, 2008 at 9:34 am

    Scott Boras will want to speed up the process of his clients this week beginning with Teixeira. If he doesn’t become a Yankee, the temptation to sign Manny Ramirez will increase to fill out the middle of the Yankee lineup presence. The toughest work Boras will face is getting Manny signed. The Yankees or any other suitor will need to know where his head stands. His bat needs no introduction.

  130. YankeeRay December 21st, 2008 at 9:37 am

    I don’t feel like researching the net to find out the following numbers, I will leave that to CB.
    How many years did the following first baseman play for the Yankees?
    Lou Gehrig, Mickey Mantle, Don Mattingly, Tino Martinez, Jason Giambi.
    My point is that most of them put in at least 5-6 yrs and some obviously many more. We have had a great tradition at that position and to keep it open for players like Posada or anyone else who is aging and can no longer field their position is rediculous. Thats what the DH position should be for.
    We have a guy who probably wants to be a Yankee and is willing to join us for 8 yrs in the prime of his career. He is probably the second best player at that position and is a switch hitter with high character.
    While I don’t think that he is worth 180 million over those 8 yrs, there is definitely a market for him for those teams that can afford him. Any team in the league would want him but only 5 with a need today can afford him.
    So why don’t we just suck it up and pay him the 180 mill if that will get it done.
    I know Boras could be asking for that to drive up the price for the others but if I were Cash I would call him today and say this is our offer take it or leave it right now or it gets pulled. This way Boras can’t shop it and either Tex wants to play here or he can go somewhere else for the next 8 yrs if thats what he really wants. If Boston called their bluff then we can do the same only he has minutes to respond. If Tex truly wants to be a Yankee he will jump on it and this thing wil be over.
    Do it today Cash so we can all enjoy our Holiday while Boston doesn’t.

  131. Michael December 21st, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Does anyone know what kind of quality players typically play in the Dominican Winter league? Is this better competition than your typical AAA league?

  132. Bret the Hitman December 21st, 2008 at 9:43 am

    YankeeRay,

    What about Montero? If the Yankees switched him to 1b, we could see him in 2 years. Montero could invest far more focus on his hitting if he didn’t have to learn all the intracicies of the catcher position that slow down a young player.

    People say he’s years away but his hitting is much closer than his overall game.

    As a hitter, he’s far more projectible and could see major league action in 2 years time.

    If the Yankees sign Manny for 2-3 years, he can provide Tex-like production while the Yankees develop Montero for 1b.

  133. S.A.- CC+Wang=An Awesome 1 and 2! No Manny! December 21st, 2008 at 9:47 am

    you gotta have faith (Aj for 5 years, NOOOOO)(Andy come back!) December 21st, 2008 at 12:51 am

    S.A,

    wait are talking about the cowboys? they are having a closing ceremony after the game? LMAO

    you would think they would learn from the mets mistake, or just use common sense. lmaoo

    ————————————————-

    Yes. The whole thing yesterday was bizarre. Jerry Jones just looked pissed off and add to it a crappy job from NFLN..
    It was just bad. LOL

    Sorry Ed!

  134. pat December 21st, 2008 at 9:53 am

    Good read on why the Angels need to sign Tex including the following quote which I thought about when I heard the Sox went to Texas to meet with Tex.

    “And don’t give me this poor-homesick-Mark-wants-to-play-near-his-East-Coast-roots stuff…..currently resides in Texas.”

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/.....839.column

  135. JeetMack-Clutch December 21st, 2008 at 9:55 am

    jesus has so much more upside as catcher, leave him there

  136. Joe from Long Island December 21st, 2008 at 10:02 am

    Good morning, all –

    I was just reading the morning papers, and would highly recommend the story in the NYTimes sports section today, about Clay Zavada, a 24 year old minor league pitcher with the D-Backs, and what his life is like as he struggles to get by. It’s very good reading for anyone, but especially baseball fans.

    After reading something like this, I can’t see anyone criticizing ballplayers for getting what they can when they do make the show.

  137. Bret the Hitman December 21st, 2008 at 10:08 am

    Re: Jesus Montero 1b or C

    Jesus Montero doesn’t necessarily have more upside as a catcher. If he shifts to 1b, the Yankees can avoid a 8 year commitment to Tex at 23 mil per.

    Jesus Montero’s upside as a 1b is that he saves the Yankees upwards in the neighborhood of 200 million dollars.

    The beauty of signing Manny is that the Yankees lose no production while Montero develops since Manny will outproduce Tex over the next 2-3 years.

    The tricky part is finding a market for Matsui. If the Angels lose out on Tex and Manny, there’s a fit. I don’t think Matsui’s annual value is comparable to Raul Ibanez. Ibanez got 11 mil per but Matsui will earn 13 mil more in the final year of his contract in 2009. Perhaps the Yankees would have to eat 3-4 mil of that contract but that’s far more ideal than the Sox situation with Tex. In order to sign Tex, they’ll have to eat 24 million on Lowell and block Lars Anderson who is their best prospect.

    Our situation with Manny/Matsui is preferable to the Sox’s with Tex/Lowell. We act like the Sox are in such a great position to fit Tex and we’re in such a poor position to fit Manny.

    The opposite is true.

  138. Bret the Hitman December 21st, 2008 at 10:09 am

    Re: Matsui’s annual value

    Correction: I DO think Matsui’s annual value is comparable to Raul Ibanez.

  139. Tom December 21st, 2008 at 10:17 am

    I can understand the Jesus Montero has “upside” as a catcher argument, and I believe it’s a very good one, but, if he becomes the elite offensive force some scouts think he’ll become, wouldn’t be better for the team to make him a first baseman?

    What I mean is this: as a catcher he will play about 140 games a season, tops. As a first baseman, he (and his bat) will be available to play every single day.

  140. Therston December 21st, 2008 at 10:17 am

    Don’t forget that CC gets 14 M (rest in bonus money) this year in his contract which clearly gives the Yankees more room to spend for this next year. They have clearly set up the money to make another splash if the price is right.

  141. Bret the Hitman December 21st, 2008 at 10:24 am

    Re: Montero at 1b

    Tom,

    You make a great point. If Montero plays 1b, he plays far more games during the season compared to the number of games he’d be in the lineup as a catcher.

    I’d also like to add; not only does would his bat be in the lineup more often during the course of the season but he may endure far more many seasons as a 1b due to less wear and tear.

  142. YankeeRay December 21st, 2008 at 10:26 am

    Bret the Hitman
    December 21st, 2008 at 9:43 am
    YankeeRay,

    What about Montero? If the Yankees switched him to 1b, we could see him in 2 years. Montero could invest far more focus on his hitting if he didn’t have to learn all the intracicies of the catcher position that slow down a young player.

    People say he’s years away but his hitting is much closer than his overall game.

    As a hitter, he’s far more projectible and could see major league action in 2 years time.

    If the Yankees sign Manny for 2-3 years, he can provide Tex-like production while the Yankees develop Montero for 1b.

    —–

    Bret, in theory I agree but who knows what he will be. If he could catch the 140 games I’d rather DH him a bunch and have Tex at first. I don’t have a problem if we end up with Manny as I believe he is the better hitter and my whole thing is that we need a bat for this 3 yr window. Either way I am fine but we need to move quick.
    It’s too bad that Boras has both Manny and Tex because it would be fun to pit Manny against Boras and Tex but unfortunately Boras holds the keys.

  143. Arial December 21st, 2008 at 10:27 am

    The aggressive move by Boras to get the Yankees involved may be Tex’ doing. It is clearly not in Boras’ best interests for Tex to end up in pinstripes, as that may well leave Manny without a decent deal (by Boras’/Manny standards). My bet is that Tex insisted on it, and that NY is where he wants to be.

    “If” Tex becomes a Yankee, Manny may well be very unhappy, especially if he has to take a “scaled” down Dodger offer, possibly the only game in town. To save his skin, Boras most likely would do a “full court press” on Tampa to do a “grand slam”.

  144. CaptainHeter December 21st, 2008 at 10:28 am

    How I wish George was still in charge. If he were, Teixeria would a Yankee right now , no question. George would never, ever let the Blosox get their hands on him. Hal is no where near his Father and never be will. He is a George wanna -be- who is he l l bent on lowering the payroll. It has become abundately cleatr that he is fine with not making the playoffs.

    To Hal- this is unacceptable to your teams’ fans. We are going to into a new stadium . You have priced many season ticket holder out of the stadium or raise their prices up the ying yang. The least you can do is get the player that the fans want, the player who grew up a Yankee fan. The player who idolized Mattingly and most importantly has said that he would love to play 1st base for the same team that his idol played for.

    Let’s face it, You had to have Cashman chase CC all over the country. You made fools of the organization bidding against yourself. No one was going to go pass 140 million. So you threw extra money at a player who wanted to stay on the west coastr. Then he comes here and says how he is getting chills being a Yankee. You have youtr GM tell the media , “that he is not playing us”. Well, guess what , Hal you got played. CC could have been gotten for thw 140 , if he really wanted to come here.

    So if we don’t get Teixeria , prepare to see your team finish 3rd , again. You need to remember that we are also now chasing the Rays.. They are not going anywhere. And if you don’t get a big bat to replace Abreu and Giambi, don’t be shocked of corporations and fans don’t show up fo the stadium.

    You want to continue to draw 4 million ? Sign Teixeria now and stop being so cheap.

  145. Bret the Hitman December 21st, 2008 at 10:30 am

    Re: Manny/Prince Fielder/Montero

    If the Yankees give Manny 3 years at DH they can replace him with Prince Fielder since Fielder will become a free agent after 2011 when Posada comes off the books.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ke-of.html

    The Yankees could go with Manny at DH for 3 years with Nick Swisher at 1b.

    After 3 years they go with Prince Fielder at DH and Jesus Montero at 1b. If the Yankees want Prince Fielder before he reaches free agency, they can orchestrate a trade for him after 2009 when his arbitration raise will earn him approx. 10 mil per season.

    “Fielder, who is represented by Scott Boras, is eligible for free agency after 2011.”

  146. YankeeRay December 21st, 2008 at 10:30 am

    pat
    December 21st, 2008 at 9:53 am
    Good read on why the Angels need to sign Tex including the following quote which I thought about when I heard the Sox went to Texas to meet with Tex.

    “And don’t give me this poor-homesick-Mark-wants-to-play-near-his-East-Coast-roots stuff…..currently resides in Texas.”

    —–

    Pat, you have to remember that Tex played in Texas and had a home there. He has been in transition between teams the past year and has probably been waiting to relocate to his final destination.
    You also need to remember that his wifes family is on the east coast and apparently has health issues that most likely want to bring his family east.

  147. Fleas December 21st, 2008 at 10:32 am

    How much weight does Mrs. Tex pull?

    I have told you guys all along, “Mrs. Tex doesn’t want to live in Boston”. She loves NYC.

    If you have been following my posts for the last 2 weeks, you’ll see that I have been saying that the Yankees have been far from out of it and still have a great chance to land Tex.

    What it comes down to right now is if Tex truly wants to be a Yankee bad enough to take the 8/160 or he really wants that extra 20m+ to not play on his first choice team and his wifes first choice destination..

    If the Yankees have a formal offer of 8/160 expect Tex in pinstripes.

  148. Arial December 21st, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Remember though, we have been told repeatedly “that the door is shut”, “think straight”, be realistic, the offense is good enough, they’ve spent their limit, etc, so all of this is needless spinning…..a waste of time.

  149. Jeremy December 21st, 2008 at 10:33 am

    “Jesus Montero doesn’t necessarily have more upside as a catcher. If he shifts to 1b, the Yankees can avoid a 8 year commitment to Tex at 23 mil per.”

    There are many problems with this line of reasoning.

    1. Montero is not ready to be our starting first baseman in 2009. He’s not even close. He is 19, in A ball, and first base isn’t even his position. Teixeira is only a FA right now. The Yankees aren’t going to pass on a top 1B FA now because they think Montero could be a good 1B at some point years from now.

    2. Catching prospects are among the most prized prospects in baseball. There is no way the Yankees are going to transition a catching prospect to first base. Much more likely, the Yankees hope that Montero can be Posada’s replacement someday.

    3. “Saving money” by not signing a FA is not terribly relevant if the substitute for that FA is a huge downgrade. Notwithstanding that Montero isn’t a 1B, is there any reason to think that he could be anywhere near the player Teixeira is? The odds are miniscule.

    “The beauty of signing Manny is that the Yankees lose no production while Montero develops since Manny will outproduce Tex over the next 2-3 years.”

    We don’t know that. Teixeira could keep putting up 150 OPS+ seasons and Manny’s could decline in his late 30s. Since Teixeira is a good defender and Manny would likely DH (or play a bad LF), Teixeira would be a much more valuable player unless Manny far outpaced him offensively.

    “Our situation with Manny/Matsui is preferable to the Sox’s with Tex/Lowell. We act like the Sox are in such a great position to fit Tex and we’re in such a poor position to fit Manny.”

    Neither situation is good. But the fundamental problem with Manny is that he can’t field a position well and will just get worse in that regard, whereas Teixeira plays a great 1B. We also have an old team that needs to use the DH spot to rest players. So if we get Manny, not only will we need to sell very low on Matsui, but we will lose versatility and risk ending up with too many DHs. On the other hand, if the Sox get Teixeira, they will have to sell low on Lowell, but then they are set. I think Manny is a worse fit for us than Teixeira is for the Sox.

  150. Arial December 21st, 2008 at 10:36 am

    It wouldn’t shock me to see Boras propose a package deal…ludicrous, yes, but…..

  151. Arial December 21st, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Lars Anderson (the Sawx #1 position prospect..1B) is just about ready, and that has not stopped Boston from its pursuit of Teixeira. Montero is certainly not going stop the Yankees.

  152. harwood December 21st, 2008 at 10:49 am

    ” Tom December 21st, 2008 at 10:17 am

    I can understand the Jesus Montero has “upside” as a catcher argument, and I believe it’s a very good one, but, if he becomes the elite offensive force some scouts think he’ll become, wouldn’t be better for the team to make him a first baseman?

    What I mean is this: as a catcher he will play about 140 games a season, tops. As a first baseman, he (and his bat) will be available to play every single day.

    Its called DH.

    Him being a catcher is way more valuable. Anyone can play 1b.

    Does anyone know if we can realistically expect him to catch or is he too big?

  153. bottom line December 21st, 2008 at 11:02 am

    One more reason it makes sense –even financial sense — to lock up Tex.

    He is a corner-stone player and with him in place they can begin trimming some of the other fading and mediocre assets they have acquired.

    Ideally, the Yankees for the future will consist of a few top-of-class free agents, along with lots of cheap young home grown talent. The price for peremium talent has skyrocketed from the days we could sing a Reggie Jackson for $600K a year. Or a Jimmy Key (my pick for most under-rated great Yankee) for $4 or $5 mill a year. If premium ballplayers cost $20 mill, you simply can’t have one to fill every hole. It’s the overpaid guys earning 8-14 mill who need to go. And signing Tex will make it easier to shed Nady and or Swisher, as well as Matsui. I’d keep Damon– still one of the best lead-off men in the game.

  154. bottom line December 21st, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Could someone explain to me why portions of my positing are getting crossed out, as in above?

  155. Jeremy December 21st, 2008 at 11:05 am

    “I can understand the Jesus Montero has “upside” as a catcher argument, and I believe it’s a very good one, but, if he becomes the elite offensive force some scouts think he’ll become, wouldn’t be better for the team to make him a first baseman?”

    Durable catchers who are also above-average hitters are among the most valuable commodities in baseball because they are so hard to find. First basemen who are above-average hitters are much more common. This is simply because catching is a far rarer talent in baseball than the ability to play first base.

    If Montero can catch, putting him at first would be a waste of that rare talent. The bottom line is no team can afford to give up catching talent and the Yankees are no exception, especially since Posada is such a question mark and we have no real replacement for him as an everyday catcher.

  156. sevrox December 21st, 2008 at 11:08 am

    “anyone can play 1B”?

    Not true at all – Yanks haven’t had a real one since Tino – putting aging heroes at 1B will not solve the problem for the Yanks.

    I’ll be glad when some real news breaks about something – everyone’s back to cannibalizing themselves again since CCAJ signed.

  157. bru December 21st, 2008 at 11:09 am

    nobody knows how this will translate in the majors but it is better than if they were playing bad.

    these kids are young & hughes,kennedy & melky are all playing very well not to mention many more players.

    it takes time to figure out how to play,it is very difficult to make it to the majors.

    all we can do it wait & have faith in the scouts.

    if melky can bat 280 with a 340-360 obp with 20 hr & 80 rbi’s i will take it with his defense & arm.

    i think melky will be better than gardner.this kid has power & if he can ever learn to elevate the ball will hit more hr’s.

    the thing i believe will make the yankees better than the teams of the last 8 or so years is that they kept almost all our prospects.

    ajax,melancon,montero,betances,brackman,hughes,kennedy & the list goes on for a while.if only 2 or 3 pitchers become good to great starters & 2 or 3 position players become pretty good to great we are in great shape.

    the three i am watching are montero,brackman,ajax & of course my favorate,hughes.

    throw joba in as being successfull & it could be a nice haul.

    is melky turning the corner ?? it will be interesting to find out.i believe he is.

  158. Tom December 21st, 2008 at 11:09 am

    bottom line, the double line — crosses out words–see–.

  159. vtred December 21st, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Play Montero in right field

  160. bottom line December 21st, 2008 at 11:12 am

    Imagine you sign Tex. You can then package Nady with a surplus bullpen arm (Veras? Roberstoson?) and perhaps a good but expendable prospect arm (Kontos, maybe even Sanchez) to get some desperately needed young position prospect help. We are truly pathetic in young nearly-ready infielders. Injuries to Cano, Jet or A-Rod could be devastating. Anyway, this is another way the signing of Tex has multiple positive side-effects.

  161. harwood December 21st, 2008 at 11:14 am


    if melky can bat 280 with a 340-360 obp with 20 hr & 80 rbi’s i will take it with his defense & arm.

    thats alot of power and plate discipline to add after the season he just had. not very realistic.

  162. bottom line December 21st, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Thanks, Tom. Guess I’ll have to change my posting syle.

  163. RhapsodyInBlue December 21st, 2008 at 11:15 am

    Something new from Bret today, let’s trade Matsui.

  164. pat December 21st, 2008 at 11:16 am

    Yankee Ray

    He hasn’t played in Texas in 18 months. Not picking on Tex but if being on the east coast is such a high priority, why be in Texas during the off season. The hometown angle for many players gets overblown.

    If CC can leave Vallejo and find happiness in Alpine, Tex can leave Baltimore and find happiness in Newport Beach.

  165. raymagnetic December 21st, 2008 at 11:18 am

    “You want to continue to draw 4 million ? Sign Teixeria now and stop being so cheap.”

    I know you can’t be serious. Only someone with little intelligence would call an organization that spent over $500 million dollars in the past two years on player salaries, cheap.

    Then notion that the Yankees are being cheap is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve read in a while.

  166. Jeremy December 21st, 2008 at 11:19 am

    “Not true at all – Yanks haven’t had a real one since Tino –putting aging heroes at 1B will not solve the problem for the Yanks.”

    What about Mientkiewicz? Pete and most commenters here raved about his glove at first. Problem was he couldn’t hit anywhere the acceptable level for a first baseman.

    I think the commenters saying that it doesn’t make sense to move Montero to first are just pointing out that it’s a lot easier to find an adequate first baseman than an adequate catcher. Just think about what playing the two positions entails and the typical batting lines for first basemen and catchers. So if you have a prospect who can catch, you develop him as a catcher and only move him to a different position if it turns out he can’t catch after all.

    And who are the “aging heroes” who could play first? My view is that we should sign Teixeira to play first precisely because he’s young and could field the position well for many years to come. If we end up playing Posada, Matsui, or any other older players at first, it will be out of desperation. It’s certainly not part of the Yankees’ plan.

    “Play Montero in right field”

    Where has this sudden interest in Montero come from? He’s nowhere near major league ready. And why play him in right field? We have Nady there for now and will have no trouble finding a RF in the future. Like first base, this is not a premier defensive position.

  167. GreenBeret7 December 21st, 2008 at 11:20 am

    NYY has 3 top of the line catching prospects all ages 18 and barely 19. The also have two young catching prospects that will be just fine as backups. NYY is fairly rich in catching prospects.

    Montero is the best bat in the system, Romine is the most athletic and has a really good bat, regardless of his winter league numbers. He was only playing 2 times a week and had some minor injuries. The best all around catching prospect, hitting and defense is probably Kyle Higashioka.

    With Cervelli in Scranton and Kyle Anson in Trenton, NYY can afford to wait until the kids grow into their talents. I’d rather they were brought up a year later than a year too early.

    At least one of the young catchers, most likely Austin Romine will be moved to another position, either a corner infield or corner outfield spot. NYY also has two top bats on the corners. Brad Suttle is a great bat, but, not much of a glove at tird or first. They moved Brandon Laird from third to first in May of 2008, and it turns out that he has a very good glove, but, mainly, he has light tower power to all fields. He hits high line drives to all fields and deep.

    If NYY happens to sign Teixeira, he’ll be asking for an OPT-OUT after 4 years.

  168. bru December 21st, 2008 at 11:22 am

    we do have an option of moving nady or swisher & not signing pettitte then we can pay tex 16 million in 09 wich is about what pettitte & nady will make combined & then increase his salary in 2010 but that will not happen & we need the pitching debth.

    signing pettitte will give us much needed debth to cover injuries.

    i do not see where we can improve unless we dump salary & sign tex or manny or sign them regardless but with pettitte our payroll will be about 195 million.tex or manny added will take it to almost 220 wich is unacceptable.

    we should not of given arod 30 million a year.he was at our mercy & 8 yrs/25 or 26 million would of been fair.

  169. GreenBeret7 December 21st, 2008 at 11:22 am

    Jeremy
    December 21st, 2008 at 11:19 am
    “Not true at all – Yanks haven’t had a real one since Tino –putting aging heroes at 1B will not solve the problem for the Yanks.”

    ————————————————————

    Montero may play a little outfield from time to time, but, not on a regular basis.

  170. Tom December 21st, 2008 at 11:26 am

    What about Chase Weems?

  171. Jeremy December 21st, 2008 at 11:28 am

    GB7, thanks for the very informative roundup.

    The Yankees are going to treasure these catching prospects. Anyone who wants to see the value of good catchers need look no farther than Posada’s current contract. Giving Posada four years was borderline crazy, but the Yankees had no choice but to make the deal because the Yankees had no substitute for Posada and thus no leverage.

    Same goes for other premier defensive positions, like CF. Vernon Wells’ contract is coming up today. He got that insane contract because he’s a CF, plain and simple. If a team develops promising talent at a position like C or CF, it guards that talent very carefully so they don’t have to give out terrible contracts for that position.

  172. Y's Guy Go Nats, Sign Tex!!! December 21st, 2008 at 11:29 am

    i couldnt be more bored with the tex sweepstakes. working out the marshall plan took less time (and about the same money!) go wherever you freakin want, just pick one and sign the contract and lets move on already.

  173. GreenBeret7 December 21st, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Tom
    December 21st, 2008 at 11:26 am
    What about Chase Weems?

    ————————————————————

    Can’t really say much about Weems. I only saw him the last week of the year in the SALLY League. He’s supposed to be pretty good and may end up replacing Anson and Cervelli some day. He wasn’t that impressive in the games I saw, but, it was such a little sample, I can’t say what he’s like. I guess he’ll probably start at Staten Island in 2009. He’ll be just 20, but signed late and didn’t play a lot. Only judging by his numbers, he needs a lot of work with the bat and glove.

  174. Funkyzeit mit Brüno December 21st, 2008 at 11:38 am

    Manny is an artist. You really must respect the artist and understand his performance is sometimes sad clown, sometimes happy snake charmer, sometimes rock star, sometimes alligator wrestler, sometimes topiary sculptor, sometimes organic farmer, sometimes baseball slugger, sometimes intense-face-manboy, sometimes chia pet spokesmodel, sometimes big-wheel enthusiast, sometimes eBay addict.

    He is a man of many faces and you will love him.

  175. bru December 21st, 2008 at 11:44 am

    CaptainHeter
    December 21st, 2008 at 10:28 am
    How I wish George was still in charge. If he were, Teixeria would a Yankee right now , no question. George would never, ever let the Blosox get their hands on him. Hal is no where near his Father and never be will. He is a George wanna be who is he l l bent on lowering the payroll. It has become abundately cleatr that he is fine with not making the playoffs.

    To Hal- this is unacceptable to your teams’ fans. We are going to into a new stadium . You have priced many season ticket holder out of the stadium or raise their prices up the ying yang. The least you can do is get the player that the fans want, the player who grew up a Yankee fan. The player who idolized Mattingly and most importantly has said that he would love to play 1st base for the same team that his idol played for.

    Let’s face it, You had to have Cashman chase CC all over the country. You made fools of the organization bidding against yourself. No one was going to go pass 140 million. So you threw extra money at a player who wanted to stay on the west coastr. Then he comes here and says how he is getting chills being a Yankee. You have youtr GM tell the media , “that he is not playing us”. Well, guess what , Hal you got played. CC could have been gotten for thw 140 , if he really wanted to come here.

    So if we don’t get Teixeria , prepare to see your team finish 3rd , again. You need to remember that we are also now chasing the Rays.. They are not going anywhere. And if you don’t get a big bat to replace Abreu and Giambi, don’t be shocked of corporations and fans don’t show up fo the stadium.

    You want to continue to draw 4 million ? Sign Teixeria now and stop being so cheap.

    ————————————————————

    they just got 2 great pitchers & gave up no prospects & have the best starting rotation in the majors on paper wich is all you can go by.

    if there is a better rotation i wan’t to see it & do not say becket,lester,dice,wake.close but no cigar.

    how did the best offense do for them in the past??

    you need 3 great pitchers,great pen,a balanced team,mix of veterans & youth,timely hitting.

    nobody knows what signing tex will do to this team.

    on paper,yes we are better but what if it prevents us from adding a needed player going forward??

    this team should easily have payroll at 180 but the huge contracts to jeter,arod,damon,matsui,posada,mo is preventing this.

    the yankees have terrible timing with signing contracts.posada for an example should of been signed before his great year,mo,etc…..

    8-10 yrs of tex will turn into a giambi contract,they always do.

    it is funny how people think they can predict the future standings.

    you are not happy with the team so everybody else is wrong.

    8 yrs is to long.if we can get good cf production we will be fine.

    take a look at the rays offense that somebody pointed out the other day & answer one question.

    how did they do it when stats wise we have them beat in every position on the field except maybe first base by a mile???

  176. bru December 21st, 2008 at 11:48 am

    is Kyle Higashioka a better hitter than montero???

    if he is he must be very good.

    they say montero can be a monster & on a 20-80 power ranking system montero is ranked 80.

    i read an article that montero was taking bp & they could not tell him apart from major league power hitters like thome,huff,etc because he was crushing shots to dead cf.

  177. GreenBeret7 December 21st, 2008 at 11:49 am

    Jeremy
    December 21st, 2008 at 11:28 am
    GB7, thanks for the very informative roundup.

    The Yankees are going to treasure these catching prospects. Anyone who wants to see the value of good catchers need look no farther than Posada’s current contract. Giving Posada four years was borderline crazy, but the Yankees had no choice but to make the deal because the Yankees had no substitute for Posada and thus no leverage.

    Same goes for other premier defensive positions, like CF. Vernon Wells’ contract is coming up today. He got that insane contract because he’s a CF, plain and simple. If a team develops promising talent at a position like C or CF, it guards that talent very carefully so they don’t have to give out terrible contracts for that position.

    ————————————————————

    My pleasure, Jeremy. It’s only my opinion on which of the catchers switches positions, but, Romine would make a great right fielder, though he could play left, also. He has pretty good foot speed, and a great arm. He’s not real quick in shifting his feet or from side to side as a catcher, and, that’s why I think he’ll move.

    Montero’s actually pretty quick behind the plate…great arm. For old timers on here, he could be a Ellie Howard type and play other spots, like 1st base, but, mainly DH on the days he’s not catching. NYY has a bit of an outfield shortage, but, Montero isn’t ideal for that spot. They do have some on the way, though. Maybe by September, Jackson and Colin Curtis will get a call-up.

    Somebody asked about whether he’s too big to catch, and, I’d say no. Hea big kid, but, he’s not fat…just solid. He’s 6’4″ and 225 pounds. He may have to keep an eye on the weight, but, Carlton Fisk caught for 25 years and was 6’2″ at 220-225.

  178. GreenBeret7 December 21st, 2008 at 11:54 am

    bru
    December 21st, 2008 at 11:48 am
    is Kyle Higashioka a better hitter than montero???

    if he is he must be very good.

    they say montero can be a monster & on a 20-80 power ranking system montero is ranked 80.

    i read an article that montero was taking bp & they could not tell him apart from major league power hitters like thome,huff,etc because he was crushing shots to dead cf.

    ————————————————————

    I didn’t say that. I said he may be the best all around catcher when figuring in both offense and defense. I’ve only seen him a few times, but, he’s good. PAT M, has seen both him and Romine more than I have, although in high school about 2 years ago, so he could speak better on them.

  179. GreenBeret7 December 21st, 2008 at 11:55 am

    Montero has Manny Ramirez power. High, hard line drive in the gaps.

  180. The Gaffer December 21st, 2008 at 11:59 am

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  181. Sean Serritella December 21st, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    It’s all mental with Ian Kennedy.

  182. ANSKY December 21st, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    Three years of Manny (for some insane reason) would cost as much as the first 4 years of Tiexiera. After Manny, you want to replace him with someone else who’ll probably be somewhat expensive. Let’s make the assumption the economy’s doing better then. Would someone else for 5 years cost the same as the rest of 8 years (assuming you go 8 years) of Tiexiera? Chances are, you’re looking at 8 years of about the same cost. Approximately Manny@3yr + replacement@5yr = Tiexiera@8yr.

    And you’re getting a gold glove instead of a ‘no glove’? How old will Tiexiera be then? Younger than Manny is now? And you don’t go long term with stars because they’ll be too old and making $20M per when the contract’s up … ???

    Even if you look at it as if Manny’s eventual replacement could be a youngster (could very well be) you still have to realize the next 3 years of him would cost about the same as the first 4 years of Tiexiera.

    Better team balance is the way especially over the long haul. The recent dynasty years and what happened after them have proven that.

  183. harwood December 21st, 2008 at 12:19 pm

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  184. tim boat December 21st, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Montero is 6’4” and is packing on pounds, he’s probably already too big to be a catcher but if he does reach the Majors in a few years it’s almost guarenteed he’ll be too big to crouch behind the plate. The writing is all over the wall and there are rumblings in the Yankee front office that eventually Montero will be a first baseman or DH.

  185. tim boat December 21st, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Laura up on her cross
    December 20th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
    THINGS ARE COMING TOGETHER INDEED MIKE AND NOT WITH ANY HELP FROM ANY “EVIL DOERS” WHICH IS WHY WE CAN ALL SLEEP WELL.
    IN THE END MARIANO’S LAST PITCH IN A WORLD SERIES WILL BE THAT ONE LUIS GONZALEZ HEROICALLY BLOOPED INTO CENTER AND HE AND WE WILL HONORABLY RECONCILE THE FACT THAT ALL THOSE YEARS WASTED ON STEROID JUNKIES, CHRONICALLY INJURED COWARDS, AND 37yr old past their prime legends were nothing more than dignified well intentioned mistakes…

    Hey moron, Mariano last pitched in the 2003 World Series, get your facts straight dumbo!

  186. S.A.- CC+Wang=An Awesome 1 and 2! No Manny! December 21st, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    How I wish George was still in charge. If he were, Teixeria would a Yankee right now , no question. George would never, ever let the Blosox get their hands on him.

    ————————————————–

    Did I miss something? Is Teixeira off the market already? Did he sign with the red sox? I didn’t realize if we didn’t get Teixeira we were gonna finish in 3rd. Who knew.
    Can someone also tell me what the weather will be like opening day? Thanks

  187. Bret the Hitman December 21st, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    re: Manny a better fit on Yanks than Tex on Sox

    I’ll say it again. If the Sox acquire Tex, they must eat 24 MILLION on Lowell and block Lars Anderson for 8 YEARS. Plus they’ll have to pay 200 million dollars for an upgrade from Lowell to Teixeira.

    Yet so many fans here keep saying how ‘impossible’ or ‘improbable’ it would be for the Yankees to sign Manny.

    Here are the advantages of us signing Manny vs. the Sox signing Tex

    1) upgrade margin: The Sox go from 2nd to 1st in runs scored with Tex while we rise from 7th to 2nd or 3rd in runs scored with Manny.

    Who makes the bigger leap?

    2) Cost: The Sox must pay 200 mil to Tex while we spend 60 mill for Manny.

    Advantage Yankees.

    3) Roster flexibility: The Sox must tie themselves to Tex for 8 years while the Yankees would be married to Manny for only 3 years.

    Advantage Yankees.

    4) Sunk costs: The Sox would have to eat 24 million on Lowell to make room for Tex while we would have to eat 13 mil on Matsui in order to make room for Manny (assuming both Matsui and Lowell are equally immovable).

    Advantage Yankees.

    5) Prospects: By signing Tex the Sox would be blocking Lars Anderson, their best prospect while the Yankees would leave the door open at 1b for Jesus Montero if we sign Manny instead of Teixera. I’m not saying Montero would absolutely have to move to 1b but the option would remain there.

    Advantage Yankees

    6) Prince Fielder: After 3 years of Manny we would be in a better situation financially than the Sox in order to sign Prince Fielder. Our DH/1b combination would be Fielder/Montero whereas the Sox would be far more expensive with Fielder/Teixeira.

    Advantage Yankees

  188. Ty December 21st, 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Neither Tex on Manny make any sense to me. After all is said and done Manny is probably worth 2 more wins than Matsui. Tex is about 2-3 wins better than Swisher. Wouldn’t it be better to upgrade CF where the Yankees are at their weakest and the most gain is to be obtained? Even with reduced output, Baldelli is 2-3 wins over Melky with far less cost, so in a sense we would be in the same position offensively. IMO, Tex offers very little defensively over Swisher and Manny over Matsui at DH obviously gains the Yankees when it comes to catching the ball. Pettitte imho is already signed so the Yankees can trade excess pitching to fill an area of true need…CF.

  189. bodhisattva December 21st, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    Melky & Cano are playing in the Dominican League.

  190. Todd December 21st, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Angels have withdrawn offer to Tex, according to ESPN news

  191. lauren December 21st, 2008 at 6:58 pm

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  192. Jim December 21st, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    Pete, here’s your scoop! The Yanks will sign Teixeira by Monday night or Tuesday! No money figure as yet!

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