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We luv ya Pete! Have a great time!
how about my steelers.
Have a great time Pete, root for the Pats, and lets all watch the Jests choke again!
Enjoy Pete and Happy Holidays!
Hopefully the Pats get destroyed in Foxboro, Dolphins lose, and Jets destroy the Seahawks, so it’s a beautiful day.
Pete, I hope you enjoy the game.
Only I wish your Patriots ill.
Although I’d trade a Patriots win for either a Teixeira or Manny signing.
Check this out:
The premise for the new film involves Sandler’s character as a rabid Yamkee fan who gets into a car accident while listening on the radio to Edgar Martinez’ winning hit over the Yankees in Game 5 of the 1995 ALDS. Before Griffey crosses the plate, an upset Michael Berenson runs a red light, screaming at the radio. He is hit by a garbage truck and is rushed to an emergency room. He lays in a coma for nine years.
Fast forward to October 2004. Berenson’s eyes open and his father and wife rush to the hospital. He is alert but has suffered some memory loss. As Michael goes through physical rehabilitation in the hospital’s recovery wing, he glances at the TV while SportsCenter previews the Yankees vs. Red Sox ALCS. As he watches, his mind flashes back: the Game 5 radio broadcast, the red light, the crash. Up on the TV, replays of Aaron Boone’s 2003 ALCS home run play, and Berenson yells, “Boone? Where’s Boggs!?!?”
His physical therapists call the doctors who realize Michael’s beginning to regain memory. That afternoon, his wife and father begin filling him in on the nearly decade-long history of Yankees baseball. The hi-jinx begin as Michael Berenson elatedly comes to terms with having slept through the last Yankee dynasty and watching the Yankees go up 3-0 to the Red Sox in the ALCS, only to find himself comically experiencing the inevitable over the final four games.
Production: September 2009
Release: April 2010
It’s 2* here in lovely Indiana, 35 is warm!! LOL!!
Football fans are NUTS !!!! HAHA…I’m counting down the days to P’s & C’s AND some warm fun in the sun (at least once we get past April that is …)
Happy Holidays to one and all…even the fans of those OTHER teams
)…
Go Yankees 2009 !!!
No way. The dude sleeps for 10 years of massive Yankee success, wakes up for a yanks 3-0 lead, and then…..
Does he then kill himself?
For whatever reason, NYY are perhaps interested in signing Brian Fuentes. Unless the plan is to put Coke in the bullpen, trading Coke or Marte, I have no idea. This came from Buster Olney, according to MLB Rumors Uncontrolled.com. Personally, I don’t see it happening. I think Onley’s been hitting the egg nog too soon and too much.
Here’s the reprint and Olney link.’
Buster Olney has an update on the future of Brian Fuentes. Fuentes will likely not be receiving the 3-year/$30MM deal he was recently hoping for, says Olney, and could expect something closer to $15-18MM over the same 3-year period.
Olney looks at ten teams that could end up with Fuentes, with the St. Louis Cardinals at the top of the list (although it’s not quite clear that the ten teams are ranked on likelihood of acquiring the free agent). The Cardinals have been linked to Fuentes quite often this offseason, but are perhaps waiting for the price to come down on the free agent.
The Angels and Brewers are also mentioned; both these teams will need to replace their 2008 closers. Slightly more puzzling is Olney’s inclusion of the Boston Red Sox and New York
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....BHeadlines
Fuentes is definitely intriguing, and the cost coming down is probably what puts us in the mix. If we could get him for $5-6M a season, let’s do it.
Pete, 35 degrees would be a God send right now. It’s 5 in Chicago.
Have fun at the game!
Buster is only talking out loud but he makes perfect sense when saying the Red Sox could make a move for Fuentes. If they don’t get Tex. I def could see them putting together a package for Fuentes. The Sox bullpen is their weak link and Fuentes will be a huge upgrade.
a RED jacket, huh, pete. we knew it.
Enjoy the game Pete!
Pete:
Have fun from sunny and cool 68 at the moment tampabay. If god had wanted a human to watch football in those conditions we would have fur other than on top of the head.
How do they ever get people into a stadium like that. I consider 60 to be brutal winter weather, enjoy though.
The Meltdown after being up 3 games to sox was bad.
But I would rather wake up then, than during game 7 against arizona in 2001.
That hurt more to me.
Steve in Bismarck
December 21st, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Fuentes is definitely intriguing, and the cost coming down is probably what puts us in the mix. If we could get him for $5-6M a season, let’s do it.
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The problem with going after Fuentes, other than not really having a need for him (3rd lefty in the pen) is it would eliminate the chance to sign Pettitte and either Teixeira or Ramirez. I believe the Yanks (or any other team) are limited to 4 total Class A/Class B FAs.
Rover– Football is meant to be played in the cold. I’ll be at the wind tunnel known as Giant Stadium tonight where the weather should be a steamy 20 degrees and snowing. I’m sure there’ll be 75.000 people there myself included screaming and yelling and on the verge of killing the people next to them. Football fans are like rabid animals lol too consumed to know the cold is bad for you.
Stay warm and enjoy, Pete.
Laura – you live in Chicago? I spent 9 years there. Lived in Hyde Park. I remember some pretty brutal winters.
Where do you live?
Kim Jones is on ESPNNEWS right now, wearing a mini-skirt and knee high boots.
To say the least, she looks smoking hot. Who knew our Kim worked at “Laces” and “Stilettos” during the off season!
GB– a team can sign as many Type A free agents as they lost that year no matter the other rules setting limits. The Yanks are losing 5 Type A guys so they could in theory sign 5.
Tomd– 2001 hurt for months. 2004 was like the frog in the pot and the flame was slowly getting turned up until you were boiled alive.
Rob NY:
lol, yeah Rob I know, Went to a tailgate party in Greenbay 25 years ago, couldn’t get tickest. I was born and raised here in fl, but drove otr for 30 years, so I know how cold it can get.
y’all are really tough to sit there for 3 give or take hours and put it aside like you do. I jsut could not do it.
How many brats does Pete before gametime?
rover– while you’re sitting there it feels pretty stupid. But me and my dad have been going to all the games since I was about 11 (i’m 23 now) so it’s worth the blue toes and frozen nose. Looking outside today I wouldn’t mind if I was setting up to tailgate in Jacksonville as opposed to the swamp in NJ lol.
It’s 35 degrees out and you’re worried about surviving? Geez, I don’t think you know what it’s like to attend a truly cold football game. All you need for 35 degrees is a jacket, beanie, and gloves. You don’t even need the hand+foot warmers, blanket, and earmuffs.
Enjoy the game Peter!
A great storyline about Lance Niekro’s attempt at returning to the Major Leagues as a knuckle ball pitcher. He’s the son of former Yankee knuckle baller Joe Niekro and nephew of former Yankee knuckle baller, Phil Niekro.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
GB-7-
As we discussed yesterday, this is one example I found where the team has an opt out clause on a player. Interesting, since I’m sure it’s going to be hard to get insurance these days on a significant portion of a players salary.
J.D. Drew of
5 years/$70M (2007-11)
5 years/$70M (2007-11)
signed by Boston as a free agent 1/07
07:$14M, 08:$14M, 09:$14M, 10:$14M, 11:$14M
limited no-trade clause allowing Drew to block deals to 2 clubs
$9M of 2011 salary will be deferred at 1% interest unless Drew plays 500 games from 2007 to 2010 or 375 games from 2008 to 2010
Boston may opt out of either of final 2 seasons if Drew:
spends 35 days on the disabled list in either 2009 or 2010 with injury related to pre-existing right shoulder condition, or
finishes 2009 or 2010 season on the disabled list and cannot play outfield the following season
Pete-BRRRRR!!! Not what I call fun!!!
what 5 type fa are the yankees losing???
pettitte???
abraeu????
mussina????
i thought you can sign 3 type A & as many as you lose so if you lose 2 type A free agents you can sign 5 but i am not sure.
Rob NY — 2009 The Road to Redemption
December 21st, 2008 at 12:42 pm
GB—a team can sign as many Type A free agents as they lost that year no matter the other rules setting limits. The Yanks are losing 5 Type A guys so they could in theory sign 5.
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Unless I missed somebody, Mussina, Pettitte, Abreu and Ivan Rodriguez, that’s only 4.
Lions 0-16
The knuckleball needs to make a comeback and I hope Niekro succeeds in breaking through with it.
I was reading about the late 40s Senators all knucleball rotation…
The snow is falling in Foxboro. It’s a winter wonderland.
Advantage: Patriots.
Limits on free agent signings
If only 0-14 players in all of Major League Baseball file for free file for free agency, no team may sign more than one “Type A” or “Type B” player (terms defined below).
If 15-38 players file for free agency, no team may sign more than 2 such free agent players.
If 39-62 players file for free agency, no team may sign more than 3 such free agent players.
If 63 or more players file for free agency, then there are no such limits applied. Furthermore, a team may sign as many type A and B free agents as it has lost, regardless of the limits above.
just found this.
it depends on how many fa files.
if 63 or more players file for fa a team can sign any amount of type A or B.
“There is also a set of quotas governing how many Type A and B players one club may sign as free agents in one winter, with that number determined by the total number of Type A and B players who elect free agency in that offseason.
• If fewer than 14 Type A or B players elect free agency, no club may sign more than one such player.
• If 15-38 Type A or B players elect free agency, no club may sign more than two such players.
• If 39-62 Type A or B players elect free agency, no club may sign more than three such players.
• If 63 or more Type A or B players elect free agency, “the Club quotas shall be increased accordingly,” according to the basic agreement.”
http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....dlaw_keith
Tom
December 21st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
The knuckleball needs to make a comeback and I hope Niekro succeeds in breaking through with it.
I was reading about the late 40s Senators all knucleball rotation…
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That would be the worst pitching staff in the world for a catcher’s sanity.
Sign Fuentes to be the SU man
I remember some quotes from him at the trade deadline last year where he said he would love to wear pinstripes and would be willing to set up MO.
Thanks for the link to that story GreenBeret7. Hopefully Lance will find some success as a knuckleball pitcher. Wishing him the best of luck.
Nice and snowy in Foxboro. I love football played in the snow
Correct me if I’m wrong. If we sign Tex- the Angels get our 1st pick, the Brewers our second and Toronto our third, based on the Elias rankings. Since we’re going after Type A FA’s, in terms of loss draft picks it makes more sense to load up this year, plus we still get our 1st and 2nd round picks in 2009 because we didn’t sign them this year.
Am I confused?
Tom
December 21st, 2008 at 1:07 pm
“There is also a set of quotas governing how many Type A and B players one club may sign as free agents in one winter, with that number determined by the total number of Type A and B players who elect free agency in that offseason.
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Yeah, I was just looking over the list and there were 66 at the start, eligible but 4, Giles, Marte, Cameron and Blalock had their options picked up, reducing it to 62.
Unless the plan is to include Coke (the player not the drink) as part of a package for something we really need, pass on Fuentes.
Pete’s post today is exactly the reason I never became a big football fan.
I’ll take a sweaty 90 humid degrees, sitting in the upper deck with a scorecard, a dog & a beer any old time.
from what i understand over 200 players filed for fa so there is no limit to how many players the yankees sign regardless of type.
the yankees have 4 type A free agents.
pettitte,abraeu,pudge,mussina.
S.A.- CC+Wang=An Awesome 1 and 2! No Manny!
December 21st, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Thanks for the link to that story GreenBeret7. Hopefully Lance will find some success as a knuckleball pitcher. Wishing him the best of luck.
Nice and snowy in Foxboro. I love football played in the snow
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S.A., happy you enjoyed it. When his dad died, it pretty much crushed his spirit. It’s great that his uncle is picking up the guide, even though Lance is 29, it’s tough losing a parent that young.
GB, it was during the 1945 season. Apparently the Sens. were absolutly sapped of talent, so, somebody decided to stockpile knucleballers because they were durable.
As a staff they combined for 60(!)complete games and 60 wins (out of 87 total wins). They lost the AL pennant by one game to the Tigers-even though, as a team, they only hit one home run at home that season.
I think Rodriguez based on mlbtraderumors is a Type B, so we stand to lose only one Type A [Abreu], if Pettitte comes back. Does Mussina count, since he’s retired?
I think there is no limit this year since there are some 170 players who declared for free agency.
No good closer is going to sign on to be a set up man. The best to do it I think is Farnwurst. No team is going to pay $ 10 million for a setup man.
Sometimes I think Olney (among others) is physically incapable of writing aobut a FA without including the Yankees and/or Red Sawx as potential suitors.
Pete, you’re insane! Merry Christmas
Yankee Trader
December 21st, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong. If we sign Tex- the Angels get our 1st pick, the Brewers our second and Toronto our third, based on the Elias rankings. Since we’re going after Type A FA’s, in terms of loss draft picks it makes more sense to load up this year, plus we still get our 1st and 2nd round picks in 2009 because we didn’t sign them this year.
Am I confused?
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I think that’s right. I saw the list this morning or last night. I’ll see if I can find it. NYY still retains their two from not signing Cole and Bittle this year, no matter what.
How many free agents have signed this year?
Yankee Trader
i believe you are right as far as there being no limit on total number of fa teams can sign unless i am missing something.
here is the list i found & counted 213.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/freeagents
GB– the fifth type A was Marte but I guess that counts against us since we resigned him. And yes, the compensation picks for last year’s fiasco are protected.
86– The mets got Puttz to be their setup man didn’t they? And he is better than K-Rod when healthy imo.
Pete – You might as well take a break and update the blog… this one is over.
Arizona has no chance. These West Coast teams coming to play East are non-competitive.
Re: Fuentes
I can only hope the Yankees are looking to improve the CF situation as it would be the greatest enhancement this team can make for the offense/defense. Interest in Fuentes could indicate a nice trade on the horizon.
Rob,
That’s the funny part– when healthy, Putz IS better than K-Rod. If he can replicate his 2007 season, its not even an issue.
There will be controversy at some point. First time K-Rod blows the save or performs his usual bases loaded, 1 out houdini act and miracles his way out of it, the calls for Putz will be loud.
Yankee Trader/Bru:
It’s the total number of Type A and B free agents which determine the number of Type A and B free agents a team can sign. I believe there were 62. Which means we can sign 3. We’re losing Mussina and Pudge which, I think makes it 5.
why fuentes??
our pen is solid.i say give melky cf.if we trade for one it will cost us prospects.
unless we flip ajax,kennedy,??? for a real good cf that will hold the position down for years & definitely make the team better.
“That would be the worst pitching staff in the world for a catcher’s sanity.”
some catchers have little problem with a knuckleball and others have a lot. varitek has never been good at catching wakefield while mirabelli handled it no problem.
i think the key is for a knuckleball catcher to catch a knuckleball pitcher in the bullpen for so many hours over time that boredom sets in which is relaxing if nothing else. you can’t be bored and tense at the same time. once relaxed, the catcher’s instincts take over and his fear isn’t freezing him up and turning every pitch into a clank.
putting an inexperienced catcher into a game trying to learn to catch the knuckleball has no chance of succeeding. that’s what happened with josh bard when the red sox tried to have him learn on the job. once performance anxiety kicks in the catcher just keeps choking and clanking the pitches.
most knuckleball pitchers have a fast knuckleball which breaks more and a slower one that breaks less. seldom will they throw the hard one with runners on third or in scoring position so the trick is to get runners in scoring position with knuckleball pitchers. they don’t dare throw the unhittable knuckler because it’s also may be the uncatchable knuckler .
i think having a knuckleball pitcher is great for any staff as it creates a look that really messes up hitters for even days afterward. wakefield’s value to the red sox is very underestimated. he gives quality innings, can pitch between starts, can start or throw in relief, and generally adds stability to their pitching staff.
Cardinals have no chance in this weather. A finesse passing team with no running game or defense trying to play in a snowstorm.
42-3 written all over this game.
And Abreu, which makes it 6.
I’m not giving Arizona too much of a shot in this game.
Dolphins up 10-7 over the Chiefs in the 1st quarter.
I wonder if it’s still snowing in Seattle.
Olney was just on ESPNNEWS and he says the Yanks are REALLY interested in signing Manny. According to Buster, the Yanks are waiting for Boras to cut the crap and since it’s a buyers market, they can wait him out.
Here are the scenarios, IMO, that Teixeira “could” sign with the Yankees for less:
1. Tells Boras he’ll accept less to play with Yankees, much like Beltran willing to accept 19 million less to play for us. Or Cashman becomes very creative, lets say large signing bonus, smaller 1st year salary, while waiting to free up salary space in after 2009 season.
2. Realizes that he might make more in endorsements in NY.
3. Wants to play for a contender, and still be close to his parents in Maryland. Even though currently living in Texas, see him moving closer to home.
4. Does not like way Boston treats it’s veteran players, and still resents them undermining him by telling teams not to bother wasting a 1st round pick on him because he was going to Georgia Tech, thus making him fall to the 9th round.
If we do sign him, I do not see the Yankees spending/increasing salary for a CF unless one of Nady or Swisher are traded or unless Damon starts at CF with late inning replacements of Gardner/Melky.
Thoughts??
Yankee Trader
December 21st, 2008 at 1:18 pm
I think Rodriguez based on mlbtraderumors is a Type B, so we stand to lose only one Type A [Abreu], if Pettitte comes back. Does Mussina count, since he’s retired?
I think there is no limit this year since there are some 170 players who declared for free agency.
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The formula that’s used will be for Type A and Type Bs. There were only 62 that went through to Free agency. Four of the orginal 66 had their options picked up. Even though Maddux and Mussina announced their retirements, they also filed for free agency.
No team can sign more than 2 under this years total A and B, unless they lost more. NYY lost 4, so they can sign 4.
The rule of how many Type A or B guys you can sign is, I believe:
“If there are 14 or fewer Type A or Type B free agents available, no team can sign more than one type A or B player. If there are between 15-38, no team can sign more than two. If there are between 39 and 62, there’s a limit of three. However, teams can sign as many Type A or B free agents as they’ve lost, regardless of the limits above.”
http://baseball.about.com/od/m.....primer.htm
Which as CB says looks like at the moment 4 for the Yanks. Pettite, Mussina, Abreu, I-Rod. We signed 2 so far (CC and AJ I believe are both A), leaving us with two others possible. If you resign Pettite that leaves you with one more. I don’t include Marte because, as could be the case with Andy, we resigned him.
rodg12
the current number at the time or the number who file period???
i saw the list & counted 213.am i missing something????
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/freeagents
GB says*
randy l
December 21st, 2008 at 1:32 pm
“That would be the worst pitching staff in the world for a catcher’s sanity.”
some catchers have little problem with a knuckleball and others have a lot. varitek has never been good at catching wakefield while mirabelli handled it no problem.
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The key is to walk back to the screen and pick the ball up when it quits rolling, as per instructions from the legendary catcher, Bob Uecker.
bru
December 21st, 2008 at 1:36 pm
rodg12
the current number at the time or the number who file period???
i saw the list & counted 213.am i missing something????
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/freeagents
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Yeah…you’re counting the Type C fAs….no compensation. Giambi types.
Rob NY
i think you can sign the amount of type A’S you lose in addition to these guidelines
• If fewer than 14 Type A or B players elect free agency, no club may sign more than one such player.
• If 15-38 Type A or B players elect free agency, no club may sign more than two such players.
• If 39-62 Type A or B players elect free agency, no club may sign more than three such players.
• If 63 or more Type A or B players elect free agency, “the Club quotas shall be increased accordingly,” according to the basic agreement
Updated 12-20-08 from mlbtraderumors
Catchers
Paul Lo Duca (37) – Type B, not offered arb
Ivan Rodriguez (37) – Type B, not offered arb
Jason Varitek (37) – Type A, offered arb
Gregg Zaun (38) – Type B, not offered arb
Rob NY — 2009 The Road to Redemption
December 21st, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I don’t include Marte because, as could be the case with Andy, we resigned him.
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Correct on Marte. NYY signed him before he ever filed for FA
bru,
That’s the list of all the free agents who filed. Not all of them are type A or B. Only 62 of those are Type A or B.
bru
December 21st, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Rob NY
i think you can sign the amount of type A’S you lose in addition to these guidelines
• If fewer than 14 Type A or B players elect free agency, no club may sign more than one such player.
• If 15-38 Type A or B players elect free agency, no club may sign more than two such players.
• If 39-62 Type A or B players elect free agency, no club may sign more than three such players.
• If 63 or more Type A or B players elect free agency, “the Club quotas shall be increased accordingly,” according to the basic agreement
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Wrong. this year the limit is 2, unless you lose more, then you are limited to the number of A and B types you lose.
GB,
Have they changed the quotas since Keith Law wrote that article bru was referencing? It was written in the winter of ’06. Changes made for current CBA????
ok.
it goes by how many type A or B fa.i was thinking total fa combined regardless of classification.
thanks.
bru
December 21st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
why fuentes??
our pen is solid.i say give melky cf.if we trade for one it will cost us prospects.
unless we flip ajax,kennedy,??? for a real good cf that will hold the position down for years & definitely make the team better.
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NYY isn’t signing Fuentes. That was just Olney burping up some bad pizza. What possessed him to come up with that is anybody’s guess.
Matt Cassels is going to be a rich man this offseason, now I understand why Jerry Reese was trying to snag him when the Pats were ready to cut him.
rodg12
December 21st, 2008 at 1:45 pm
GB,
Have they changed the quotas since Keith Law wrote that article bru was referencing? It was written in the winter of ‘06. Changes made for current CBA????
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That’s still the limit.
so if 62 type A or B fa filed don’t the yankees get to sign 3 plus the amount they lose???
Alot of scratch…
Thanks GB. That means the Yanks could sign 3 regardless (since there were 62 Type A/B FAs). But, since we’re losing 4 we can sign/resign 4. Man this is confusing!
for those dreaming of Teixeira, here’s the latest. It’s nothing that hasn’t already been known.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....;fext=.jsp
rodg12
December 21st, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Thanks GB. That means the Yanks could sign 3 regardless (since there were 62 Type A/B FAs). But, since we’re losing 4 we can sign/resign 4. Man this is confusing!
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Bingo…you’ve got it. There is still money and FA picks for both Pettitte and Teixeira.
bru-
In reality how many “true” CF’ers are good enough to trade for based on production, salary, and defense?
AL:
Sizemore
Wells-bloated contract
Upton
Hunter-bloated contract
Ichiro-bloated contract
NL:
Beltran-bloated contract
Kemp-projected to be corner OF’er
Rowand-over-rated
Any others??
“The key is to walk back to the screen and pick the ball up when it quits rolling, as per instructions from the legendary catcher, Bob Uecker.”
that works well too.
paul casanova, a very colorful old time cuban catcher who caught a neikro no hitter with the braves, once recommended to a novice knuckleball catcher that he should imagine a giant boob that his catchng hand would move round and round. this he explained simulated the proper circular catcher’s mitt technique required to catch a knuckleball.
i’m surprised uecker did’t pick up this technique since they ,i think , were on the same team for a while. maybe casanova didn’t want to give up his secret while he was still playing. plus it was probably kind of funny watching uecker wearing out a path to the backstop.
randy l
December 21st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
“The key is to walk back to the screen and pick the ball up when it quits rolling, as per instructions from the legendary catcher, Bob Uecker.”
that works well too.
paul casanova, a very colorful old time cuban catcher who caught a neikro no hitter with the braves, once recommended to a novice knuckleball catcher that he should imagine a giant boob that his catchng hand would move round and round. this he explained simulated the proper circular catcher’s mitt technique required to catch a knuckleball.
i’m surprised uecker did’t pick up this technique since they ,i think , were on the same team for a while. maybe casanova didn’t want to give up his secret while he was still playing. plus it was probably kind of funny watching uecker wearing out a path to the backstop.
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I absolutely love Uecker. I listen to the Brewers roadio broadcasts on replay. An absolute riot. By the third inning, he’s forgotten that there’s a game on and is just talking and telling stories. He should be the Commissioner Of Baseball.
If there are 14 or fewer Type A or Type B free agents available, no team can sign more than one type A or B player. If there are between 15-38, no team can sign more than two. If there are between 39 and 62, there’s a limit of three. However, teams can sign as many Type A or B free agents as they’ve lost, regardless of the limits above.
the yankees can sign 3 or the amount of type a or b that they lost wich ever is greater.
they are allowed 3 because 62 type a or b filed but if the number of type a or b free agents the yankees lost is greater then i believe you go with the higher number but can’t add the two???
so if the yankees lost 4 type a or b they can sign 4 type a or b free agents from what i understand.
***radio broadcasts***
Yankee Trader
there are a few more.mclouth is one.
Mclouth is so overrated it’s not even funny.
Mike Francessa said he would drive Hughes and Cano to the airport for McLouth
Mike Francesa would give up Hughes, Cano and his twins(children, not manboobs) for McLouth
On MLB Home Plate(XM/SIRIUS), Hacksaw Hamilton is reporting the Yankees as in on Teixiera, mirroring the article cited above, but adding that Boras has made a definite offer to the Yankees, which they are considering. My guess is that the Yankees are number crunching this weekend to see if can be worked out.
So..
I think it’s safe to say the Patriots will win this game?
28-0 Pats
Time to come home Pete, beat the traffic.
Enjoy the game, Pete. I hope you get your win!
Brandon (Cash on Tex “Not us” , CC & AJ are Yankees!)…”Bring on Dunn and Sheets!”
December 21st, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Mclouth is so overrated it’s not even funny.
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is he better than what we have???
Avg .276 HR 26 RBI 94 Runs 113 SB.i will take that over melky/gardner.
is there better? yes but it will be almost impossible to get any good cf including mclouth.
we might have to wait it out too see what happens with ajax,melky,gardner or a free agent & keep hughes,etc…
if we can get a good cf by trading kennedy,veras,ajax i would do it if the player was worth it.
DeJesus has a nice contract and is probably available. No serious power, but a solid player all around.
i think arizona has a come back in them
they are playing well, just not getting any breaks. i think they are going to win this game, steal it in the 4th quarter.
Very entertaining Chiefs/Dolphins game going on
Bru– that’s my understanding of the agreement. You can use the general guidelines OR you can take as many as you are losing, but not combine them both. As always I could be wrong but that’s my understanding of the agreement.
Heading out to the parking lot in NJ, Let’s go Giants!
Oddessy
December 21st, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Mike Francessa said he would drive Hughes and Cano to the airport for McLouth
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i heard that.he is nuts.
i don’t think i would trade hughes strait up for mclouth.
CF? Kennedy, Nady, McCalister, Heredia for Jay Bruce to patrol CF. I’m a Jay Bruce fan though.
GrouchoNYY
i think you are spot on.
the yankees are doing everything possible to try to sign him but i think he will cost too much.
the yankees will have to match any offer at the minimum and i believe he has one for 8/180.
with matsui,damon,nady & maybe pettitte off the books after 09 they have to be considering it but will they wan’t a payroll 215-220 million or will they pass on pettitte???
gb7-
uecker had fun and that’s why they call it a game.
i looked up that neikro no hitter just to see if casanova really caught it. he did.
http://www.baseball-reference......8050.shtml
what a resource being able to look up the box scores of old games.
if they signed pettitte & tex payroll will be about 217 million with 42 million off the books after 09 with
pettitte(10 million)
damon(13 million)
matsui(13 million)
nady(6 million minimum with arbitration)
that will take payroll down to 175 million & with swisher,melky,gardner,ajax they might only need one outfielder.
Ty
dejesus is not a good cf.they moved him to a corner of sopot.
“i don’t think i would trade hughes strait up for mclouth.”
What your missing is your basing that arguement on one breakout season, the guy might be a one yr. wonder, his fielding in CF isn’t as good as people claim it is, he is a COF who learned to take advantage of mostly weak pitching in his own division
McLouth vs power pitching .221/.323/.395 his splits vs LHP aren’t that good at all, here’s another thing IDK what’s impressive about 3.9 P/PA. Can someone get me his numbers vs the NL East since pitching was extremely poor in that division and he’d be facing better pitching in the AL.
randy l
December 21st, 2008 at 2:22 pm
gb7-
uecker had fun and that’s why they call it a game.
i looked up that neikro no hitter just to see if casanova really caught it. he did.
http://www.baseball-reference......8050.shtml
what a resource being able to look up the box scores of old games.
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Uecker always said that he has the most unique batting average in history. He hit an even .200. He did however hit a grand slam off of Sandy Koufax, and, never forget to remind Koufax, by telling him that if he had faced him more often, he (Uecker) would be in the HOF and Koufax wouldn’t.
Rob NY — 2009 The Road to Redemption
December 21st, 2008 at 2:18 pm
CF? Kennedy, Nady, McCalister, Heredia for Jay Bruce to patrol CF. I’m a Jay Bruce fan though.
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i don’t know much about heredia & mccallister but if they project to be pretty good that might be too much to give up.
i don’t mind kennedy,nady but three pitchers is a lot to trade unless they are not that good.
i have heard some good things about heredia,not sure how good though.
Heredia is not w/ us anymore we lost him rule 5
whoops scratch that it was Nova.
You trade Hughes for Andre Ethier, Jay Bruce etc.
Not McClouth. He is very overrated
Just looked up Uecker and, I think he was lying about the slam. He had a homer off of Koufax, but, it wasn’t a slam.
Brandon (Cash on Tex “Not us” , CC & AJ are Yankees!)…”Bring on Dunn and Sheets!”
December 21st, 2008 at 2:27 pm
“i don’t think i would trade hughes strait up for mclouth.”
What your missing is your basing that arguement on one breakout season, the guy might be a one yr. wonder, his fielding in CF isn’t as good as people claim it is, he is a COF who learned to take advantage of mostly weak pitching in his own division
McLouth vs power pitching .221/.323/.395 his splits vs LHP aren’t that good at all, here’s another thing IDK what’s impressive about 3.9 P/PA. Can someone get me his numbers vs the NL East since pitching was extremely poor in that division and he’d be facing better pitching in the AL.
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i don’t disagree but if we can get him without giving up our better prospects i would consider it.kennedy,veras,????
Eithier isn’t worth Hughes, either.
jeez pete. don’t post pictures of yourself. please.
“i don’t disagree but if we can get him without giving up our better prospects i would consider it.kennedy,veras,????”
And as badly overrated he is the Pirates GM wouldn’t deal him for that, they’d want Robi or Hughes or Jackson which he is not worth any of those 3 alone.
My source deep in the Yankees front office just texted me and informed me that they are continuing to monitor the Teixera situation but that some of them are also watching football. They plan on continuing to do both, in shifts, through the afternoon and into the evening. They just faxed a drawing of a smiley face to Boras “just to mess with his head.”
(Please don’t ask me to divulge the identity of my source. He’s worried that they’ll take away the nuts he has stored up for the winter if they find out he’s been leaking inside info.)
we need a cf but i would not trade our pitching.
pitching debth is going to put us over the top for the next several years i hope.
we have been neglecting pitching & i am glad too see that is not the case now.
we have 4 great starters & joba without an innings limit would make pettitte our 5th.not bad at all & we finally have an ace strikeout pitcher or three.
Chris Britton signed with the Pades…..we should have enough flexibility now to get tex ;0)
I think it’s safe to go home now Pete
Nick – He certainly should be getting some work done now… the 1:00 games suck today. Unless he is watching the riveting Chiefs/Dolphins game with Felix the Gardener.
if anyone gets traded, its Nady.
much as i do not want Manny, will take him for 3 years over Texeria.
Manny have the potential to be a problem, for lenght of his contract (very short). However, we know he will hit and hit in the cluth. Which likely may help Arod.
Texeria have the potential to be a ‘millstone’ tied to the Yankees for the length of his contract (very long). Limiting the ability to aquire future players with higher skill-sets (5 tool players or players who play premium defensive positions).
additonally, we don’t know if Texeria will hit in the clutch. He may be Arod Part II. With Manny, we do know however. This said, will prefer neither.
“we have 4 great starters & joba without an innings limit would make pettitte our 5th.not bad at all & we finally have an ace strikeout pitcher or three.”
no innings limit for joba? i think they want to keep him somewhere between 180 and 200 innings. have things changed?
“Just looked up Uecker and, I think he was lying about the slam.”
getting old baseball stories mixed up a little isn’t really lying, it’s just a way of making the story better.
Corey McMahon
December 21st, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Chris Britton signed with the Pades…..we should have enough flexibility now to get tex ;0)
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How so? Britton was a non-tendered FA.
randy l
December 21st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
“Just looked up Uecker and, I think he was lying about the slam.”
getting old baseball stories mixed up a little isn’t really lying, it’s just a way of making the story better.
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He had Koufax on one of his broadcasts this year and was kidding him about it. Had Koufax in stitches.
i have a good feeling about the direction of the team.
we kept most of the kids & a lot of them will pan out.
3 good pitchers,bullpen,debth & and a good team spread out instead of 2 or 3 spots is what i believe makes a good team along with defense & a hunger to win.if we get 20 hr from lf,rf,dh,catcher,3rd base,2nd base,fb,15 from jeter & 10 from cf we should be ok & we should get much more than that.
the red sox hit 173 hr last year & we hit 180.we should be able to do that no problem.
we will get 20 from matsui,posada,swisher,nady,arod & 15 from damon,jeter,cano.that gives us 145 without cf or bench.
“How so? Britton was a non-tendered FA.”
Jesus just pretend like he made a good point.
“Uecker always said that he has the most unique batting average in history. He hit an even .200. He did however hit a grand slam off of Sandy Koufax, and, never forget to remind Koufax, by telling him that if he had faced him more often, he (Uecker) would be in the HOF and Koufax wouldn’t”
Uecker is very funny. When i was helping the Brewers, as a kid, he would always come in the clubhouse.
he is an excellent baseball announcer. Tho for whatever reason, it is never mentioned. NYY should give him $$$$ to replace Sterling or Kay.
“getting old baseball stories mixed up a little isn’t really lying, it’s just a way of making the story better.”
Thanks, I finally understand all your stories about Livan!
Zach in Port Jeff
December 21st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
“we have 4 great starters & joba without an innings limit would make pettitte our 5th.not bad at all & we finally have an ace strikeout pitcher or three.”
no innings limit for joba? i think they want to keep him somewhere between 180 and 200 innings. have things changed?
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Chamberlain’s innings limit in 2009 will be 14-150 max.
***140-150 max.***
For the sake of all of NYC sports radio Giants/Jets win your today.
Zach in Port Jeff
there is a limit on joba.
i said joba if he did not have one would make pettitte our 5th starter.
he pitched 100 innings in 08.ideally you wan’t to increase his count by 30 a year,40 topps so 130-150 is where he will probably be but i would like too keep him at no more than 130.
we do not wan’t to get him hurt so i would not go over 135 under any circumstance according to what i have read about increasing pitch counts.
Brandon:
if a gun pointed to your head, Manny or Tex ?
joba better not come close to 180 pitches never mind 200.
an 80-100 pitch count increase is way too much.
experts say 30-40 a year until you hit 200 or so.
joba should of had at least 130 in 08 maybe more wich would put him at 160 in 09 but he got hurt.
“Brandon:
if a gun pointed to your head, Manny or Tex ?”
Well since we’re adding a gun in this Manny.
vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF)
December 21st, 2008 at 2:53 pm
“Uecker always said that he has the most unique batting average in history. He hit an even .200. He did however hit a grand slam off of Sandy Koufax, and, never forget to remind Koufax, by telling him that if he had faced him more often, he (Uecker) would be in the HOF and Koufax wouldn’t”
Uecker is very funny. When i was helping the Brewers, as a kid, he would always come in the clubhouse.
he is an excellent baseball announcer. Tho for whatever reason, it is never mentioned. NYY should give him $$$$ to replace Sterling or Kay.
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He is great. I think that he’s more loved that Spahn, Aaron and Mathews in Milwaukee. He’s their answer to Phil Rizzuto, Dizzy Dean and Pee Wee Reese. Most people don’t realize that he is actually in the HOF. He was the Ford C. Frick award winner in 2003 (broadcasters).
Seeing Pete in that winter coat reminds me that I have to watch “A Christmas Story” soon…
bru from listening to Cashman on ESPN radio w/ Kay and WFAN w/ DC Fatboy you get the impression they are going to scrap the innings limit on him to prevent the BP/SP act which they believe isn’t beneficial for him. IDK but that’s the sense you come away with.
“Laura – you live in Chicago? I spent 9 years there. Lived in Hyde Park. I remember some pretty brutal winters. Where do you live?”
North of Lincoln Park.
“Thanks, I finally understand all your stories about Livan!”
ha, this from someone who worries about an imaginary journalistic squirrel’s nuts ?
GreenBeret7
December 21st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
How so? Britton was a non-tendered FA.
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It was a joke for all the people trying to think up ways Tex will be coming to NY.
Brandon (Cash on Tex “Not us” , CC & AJ are Yankees!)…”Bring on Dunn and Sheets!”
December 21st, 2008 at 3:03 pm
bru from listening to Cashman on ESPN radio w/ Kay and WFAN w/ DC Fatboy you get the impression they are going to scrap the innings limit on him to prevent the BP/SP act which they believe isn’t beneficial for him. IDK but that’s the sense you come away with.
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Nah, they’ll just have him skip some starts whenever possible. Probably Aceves and/or Giese will pick up some of the slack,
“Nah, they’ll just have him skip some starts whenever possible. Probably Aceves and/or Giese will pick up some of the slack,”
They could do that.
Re: Ichiro for CF now and LF when Jackson is ready.
If the Yankees are monitoring Fuentes and planning to trade Coke in a package for an upgrade in CF, how about Ichiro?
He’s owed 68 million dollars which is far less than Vernon Wells.
Here’s his contract:
09:$17M, 10:$17M, 11:$17M, 12:$17M
Although Ichiro seems like a better bargain than either Tex or Manny and he’s a better fit on the roster short term and long term, I’m not sure what it would take to acquire him.
The contract is definitely burdensome for the Mariners but he’s also the face of their franchise and thus an asset for them.
Imagine 2009:
Johnny Damon- lf
Derek Jeter- ss
Ichiro Suzuki-cf
Alex Rodriguez-3b
Hideki Matsui-dh
Xavier Nady-rf
Jorge Posada-c
Nick Swisher-1b
Robinson Cano-2b
Imagine 2010:
Ichiro Suzuki-lf
Derek Jeter-ss
Robinson Cano-2b
Alex Rodriguez-3b
Prince Fielder-dh (trade)
Xavier Nady-rf
Jorge Posada-c
Nick Swisher-1b
Austin Jackson-cf
Brandon (Cash on Tex “Not us” , CC & AJ are Yankees!)…”Bring on Dunn and Sheets!”
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i got the same impression but it is a bad idea.he already has to be watched because of his injury & i know people will say it is because he got switched from the pen but i did extensive reading on all the pitchers that got injured & needed tj or other surgery & all of them has substantle increases in innings.
joba should not be rushed,he is too young & important.
i do not wan’t to read those headlines if you know what i mean.it will crush us.
we can easilly increase him 30 pitches a year & do it right instead of rushing him.
it is too big of a risk & if he gets hurt because they have him pitch too many innings i will be so pissed words alone won’t describe it.
look it up & you will see that a 30 pitch increase per year is what should be done.you can go 40 but why bother.
joba could be a goldmine why chance it.
if we baby him & he still gets hurt then oh well at least we did our part.
“He is great. I think that he’s more loved that Spahn, Aaron and Mathews in Milwaukee. He’s their answer to Phil Rizzuto, Dizzy Dean and Pee Wee Reese. Most people don’t realize that he is actually in the HOF. He was the Ford C. Frick award winner in 2003 (broadcasters)”
know what, didn’t know this (HOF) until now. : )
Milwaukee was my team, until Selig changed their identity moving them to the NL/changed uniforms/etc
anyway, Uecker do have a excellent broadcasting voice (and hilarious) and even national media experience. A ‘treat’ to listen to
Aw, you’re a Patriots fan. I’m sorry..
they need to pull him early in games also.
if he has a lead with our pen pull him.
Is Matt Cassel on Little Bill’s FF team?
vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF)
December 21st, 2008 at 3:14 pm
“He is great. I think that he’s more loved that Spahn, Aaron and Mathews in Milwaukee. He’s their answer to Phil Rizzuto, Dizzy Dean and Pee Wee Reese. Most people don’t realize that he is actually in the HOF. He was the Ford C. Frick award winner in 2003 (broadcasters)”
know what, didn’t know this (HOF) until now. : )
Milwaukee was my team, until Selig changed their identity moving them to the NL/changed uniforms/etc
anyway, Uecker do have a excellent broadcasting voice (and hilarious) and even national media experience. A ‘treat’ to listen to
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He needs to replace McCarver and that cast of idiots on ESPN or Fox. Pair him up with Harry Kalas.
Uecker and Kaat would be the greatest broadcast team since Dean and Reese.
“Seeing Pete in that winter coat reminds me that I have to watch “A Christmas Story” soon…”
you know, you have a point there. all kidding aside, i think pete is in his natural element at foxboro. it’s been a great learning lesson to cover the yankees, but just think how good he’d be at replacing gammons as the defacto expert on all things red sox.
…and as much a the younger generations rag on the aging gammons, even though i hated him, his lengthy sunday stream of consciousness column in the globe was the forerunner of much of what we read now and a must read every sunday morning when newspapers mattered. it took me a long time to get over him writing”billy martin and his brownshirts”.
pete has that edge that could create a similar readership except i think he’s writing about wrong side right now to really fan the flames.
why would the yankees wan’t to take on a huge contract with fuentes.
signing pettitte & fuentes will put us at 205 million dollars,makes no sense.
we have a good bullpen & most of them are cheap.
fuentes makes our pen better but is not worth the cost.tex will be way to expensive also.
there is not a whole lot we can do to upgrade except cf or trading position players for better replacements.
we can trade matsui/damon/nady/swisher to clear money for tex,manny,etc but that will not be easy.
* pops a pill *
I agree GB. Uecker and Kaat calling a game together would be AWESOME. Wish MLB network could make it happen.
“He needs to replace McCarver and that cast of idiots on ESPN or Fox. Pair him up with Harry Kalas”
yup. He is exellent play-by-play, replace Buck with Uecker. Buck doesn’t like baseball, anyway
vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF)
December 21st, 2008 at 3:26 pm
“He needs to replace McCarver and that cast of idiots on ESPN or Fox. Pair him up with Harry Kalas”
yup. He is exellent play-by-play, replace Buck with Uecker. Buck doesn’t like baseball, anyway
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If his last name wasn’t Buck, he couldn’t get a job selling peanuts at the ballpark.
we can trade matsui & nady wich will take payroll down to 156 million or so,then add tex for 22 million & pettitte for 10 million.payroll will be around 198 million with 25 million coming off after 09 with damon,pettitte,molina wich will drop it too 173 million.
bru
December 21st, 2008 at 3:29 pm
we can trade matsui & nady wich will take payroll down to 156(166 million,correction) million or so,then add tex for 22 million & pettitte for 10 million.payroll will be around 198 million with 25 million coming off after 09 with damon,pettitte,molina wich will drop it too 173 million.
(correction)above
bru
December 21st, 2008 at 3:23 pm
why would the yankees wan’t to take on a huge contract with fuentes.
signing pettitte & fuentes will put us at 205 million dollars,makes no sense.
we have a good bullpen & most of them are cheap.
fuentes makes our pen better but is not worth the cost.tex will be way to expensive also.
there is not a whole lot we can do to upgrade except cf or trading position players for better replacements.
we can trade matsui/damon/nady/swisher to clear money for tex,manny,etc but that will not be easy.
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They aren’t signing Fuentes. It was just Olney being stupid again with his “inside” information.
” Bret the Hitman December 21st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Re: Ichiro for CF now and LF when Jackson is ready.
If the Yankees are monitoring Fuentes and planning to trade Coke in a package for an upgrade in CF, how about Ichiro?
He’s owed 68 million dollars which is far less than Vernon Wells.
Here’s his contract:
09:$17M, 10:$17M, 11:$17M, 12:$17M
Although Ichiro seems like a better bargain than either Tex or Manny and he’s a better fit on the roster short term and long term, I’m not sure what it would take to acquire him.
The contract is definitely burdensome for the Mariners but he’s also the face of their franchise and thus an asset for them.
Imagine 2009:
Johnny Damon- lf
Derek Jeter- ss
Ichiro Suzuki-cf
Alex Rodriguez-3b
Hideki Matsui-dh
Xavier Nady-rf
Jorge Posada-c
Nick Swisher-1b
Robinson Cano-2b
Imagine 2010:
Ichiro Suzuki-lf
Derek Jeter-ss
Robinson Cano-2b
Alex Rodriguez-3b
Prince Fielder-dh (trade)
Xavier Nady-rf
Jorge Posada-c
Nick Swisher-1b
Austin Jackson-cf
”
Id never lead off Damon over Ichiro. Ich, Jet, Damon, Rod. And your 2010 has Cano in #3. No one expects Cano to be on base enough to allow that.
Ive heard the rumors of them not liking Ichiro in Seattle but I dont think they would want to lose the Japanese market thing. So it would probably at minimum be a swap with Matsui + cash or parts. In which case we are still signing another bat to DH.
Ichiro will not be moved.
this deep into the off-season with no smoke (concerning Ichiro) tells me he is not available.
Pete, you’re a tool. End of story.
Now that everyone’s all giddy about finding Teixeira under your Christmas tree, Olney has changed his mind and decided to step on the presents. Take it for what it’s worth. Which is exactly zero, as are most of these silly “breaking news” reports.
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“Mark Teixeira Rumors: Sunday
By Tim Dierkes [December 21 at 1:56pm CST]
A few Mark Teixeira notes from Buster Olney’s blog this morning:
Olney talked to someone who talked to a member of the Nationals’ front office. The word is that the Nationals “absolutely do not expect to win the bidding for Teixeira.”
Olney also heard that the Yankees did make an offer to Tex at some point, but it’s now off the table. Kat O’Brien explains that Scott Boras is trying to bring the Yankees into the bidding, and their front office is divided.
Dan Graziano says Teixeira is “as on-board with the Boras plan as any client he’s ever had besides his ultimate client, Alex Rodriguez.” Stan McNeal offers a Boras translation machine at Sporting News.”
Courtesy of MLB Rumors-R-Us.com.
IDK why but I don’t believe the Nats would 180 like that
Brandon (Cash on Tex “Not us” , CC & AJ are Yankees!)…”Bring on Dunn and Sheets!”
December 21st, 2008 at 3:42 pm
IDK why but I don’t believe the Nats would 180 like that
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Olney has turned around on the Yanks so many times in the last 24 hours, it’s making me dizzy.
Im just counting the days till Boras cries collusion.
why put an offer & then pull it???are the yankees driving the price up or testing tex & trying to get a small bargain???
?test?
!test!
Nice scene in St. Louis, Isaac Bruce just made his 1,000th reception with a TD catch.
Finally Matt !
BTW, you can add Dan Graziano to the “I think the Yankees will sign Manny” to the “non thinking straight” media contingent. http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....hough.html
How many burgers did Pete have?
Does Miami own tiebreaker with Pats?
Looks cold in Seattle.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/p.....to=8948642
Rosenthal lists the Yankees are the likely destination for Manny.
Wow..
http://zellspinstripeblog.com/.....pulled-it/
That Tampa Bay loss just gave life to the Eagles/Cowboys. The winner of that game gets into the playoffs, assuming Philly wins today.
Did someone forget to tell AZ that there was a football game today?
It appears the Yanks are willing to add about $ 20 million or so in pieces for 2009. If they get Tex it means they have to get about 60 starts from some combination of Joba, Hughes, Aceves, Kennedy, Giese, TBA.
If they sign Pettite they could try to add useful players like Baldelli and Wigginton to improve depth, flexibility and RH/LH balance.
It may come down to how confident they are in the offensive contributions they will get from Posada and Matsui. If their confidence is high, go for Pettite and build a stronger bench. If it isn’t they’ll sign Tex and rely on youngsters for those 60 starts.
If it’s me, I want the almost certain innings you get from Pettite… but I want Tex too! Hey, it IS Christmas, right?
Mariano reacts to the Yankees pulling the Tex offer off the table
http://i44.tinypic.com/2yv5opy.jpg
Mariano reacts to the Yankees pulling the Tex offer off the table
http://i44.tinypic.com/2yv5opy.jpg
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Hahahaha
It obviously wasn’t a very good offer if they pulled it and nobody got any wind of it.
None of the news outlets even said we made an offer yet.
Mariano reacts to latest Sheets MRI results:
http://tinyurl.com/94md97
“http://tinyurl.com/94md97″
That’s his reaction when Brett Farve throws those interceptions.
Jets/Seattle
snow is an equalizer = not good
well, it is an equalizer unless you’re the Arizona Cardinals
Wanna cut payroll? Don’t sign Pettitte and leave the rotation slot open for a Spring Training competition. At least it then it might appear that Cashman may have actually had a plan drafting pitchers nearly exclusively yet still spending all his available free agent money on more pitching.
Take the $10mil you save on Pettitte and put in on the first year of Tex’s contract. Tex would cost $10mil in ’09. In 2010, let Damon and Matsui walk.There’s another $26mil.
Bobby Valentine, who has been managing the Chiba Lotte Marines in Japan’s Pacific League has been practically fired: Lotte told him that they will NOT give him a contract extention after 2009. Fights between the Marines and Bobby has caused quite a scandal in Japan. Speculation is high that Bobby will quit before the season starts.
Dwight Lowwwwwwwwwwwery
Drive, exactly.
And they were planning on getting Cameron for $10 million too… let Gardner/Melky be the CF instead and you have some more money to play with there as well.
ATL up 14-7 on Minnesota
If ATL wins, Giants clinch a 1st round bye.
Brett Farve is the equalizer.
have a feeling it will be Gardner in CF. And Manny at DH
it may result in the loss of Girardi’s job, but they will win.
Joe Buck is the best announcer in sports
“Brett Farve is the equalizer”
he should know better, then to take chances in these conditions. You have to run/run/very short passes…
“Joe Buck is the best announcer in sports”
change it to worst announcer in sports, and you’re right.
Brandon: and this is his reaction when he’s told that the Yankees won’t bring back Pettitte to trim payroll:
http://tinyurl.com/a7u89w
how lucky can the Jets get.
do something now
GO JETS!!!!!
(A win would put them ahead of the Pats, yes?)
it would put us back ahead.
Hey vinny-b! It’s raining here. GRR!!! Two days of snow to have it potentially all washed away. I want a white Christmas!
“A win would put them ahead of the Pats, yes?”
trish: it would keep them tied. And NYJ maintains a tie-breaker
I don’t see the Yankees making a run at Fuentes when their bullpen is one of their strengths. They already signed Marte as their veteran lefty and can continue to experiment with Phil Coke. There is no reason to give Fuentes the kind of contract he will command (something like 3 years/$20 million).
I’ve written this many times and I’ll write it again. There is zero chance the Yankees trade for Ichiro. Ichiro is no longer an elite player. He is an ok CF who is rapidly becoming a mediocre RF. Right now, Seattle is stuck with paying big money for Ichiro’s declining years. Why would the Yankees want to help the Mariners out here?
jen, how many games left in the regular season?
Brett Favre SUCKS
End this experiment and bring in Matt Castle this off-season
“Hey vinny-b! It’s raining here. GRR!!! Two days of snow to have it potentially all washed away. I want a white Christmas”
definitely. Raining on Christmas is reserved for Miami
Zolio December 21st, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Joe Buck is the best announcer in sports
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http://tinyurl.com/8vpghv
vin, actually it would put the Jets ahead. The standings show them tied right now!
“End this experiment and bring in Matt Castle this off-season”
Brett Favre is not the problem
End this experiment and bring in Bill Cowher this off-season
I should have written Ichiro is a mediocre RF or ok CF. In other words, he doesn’t have the bat to play RF, he’s merely a good hitter for CF, and he’s just getting older.
next week is the last game.
Well it can’t be easy playing in that sloppy weather, right?
trish: it not right. As there was a 3-team tie going into this weekend
Well then all I can say is GO JETS!!!
“Brett Favre is not the problem”
Dude he’s throwing punts out there.
vin, maybe the standings weren’t updated yet after the Pats win.
So much up in the air right now in the NFL… these last 2 weeks may be the best ever.
Brett Favre is not an Ace.
The Jets hold the tie breaker over the Pats. If we end up with the same record as them, we win the division.
The Jets had SEVEN pro-bowlers.
That proves that it is the coach, not the players.
Just ask Dallas
So for the Pats to make the playoffs… they need the Jets to lose this week, win next week vs. Miami, and have Jacksonville beat Baltimore right?
FOX showed that stat, but I don’t know if thats for the division outright or a playoff spot.
Put Favre in the bullpen
50 cenrel
sounds right.
Who’s this QB ? He is better than Hassellback
Pats could be just the 2nd team since the merger to win 11 games and miss the playoffs, the other being the 85 Broncos.
And you could have two 8-8 division winners in Arizona and Denver
OT: For those who have Cablevision, MLB Network is now slated in to air on Channel 149. Sadly now they are just continually repeating the 2004 World Series film.
How the Patriots get in . . .
. . . as AFC East champ
To capture the division, the Patriots must win out while the Jets and Dolphins do no better than 1-1. Theoretically, if the Patriots went 1-1, they could still win the division if the Dolphins and Jets both lost this week and played to a tie in Week 17. If Miami and New York win Sunday, the Patriots will be all-but eliminated from the division race no matter what they do because either the Dolphins or Jets (who meet in Week 17) would finish 11-5 and both teams own the tiebreaker against the Patriots. The only way the Patriots could still win the division in this scenario as well would be if the Jets and Dolphins played to a tie in Week 17.
. . . as a wild-card team
* The Patriots win out and the Ravens lose at least once.
* The Patriots go 1-1, the Ravens go 0-2, and either the Jets or Dolphins
go 0-2.
* There’s one final possibility here, albeit a very confusing one: If either the Jets or Dolphins lose their last two games; and if the Patriots lose to the Cardinals and beat the Bills; and if the Ravens beat the Cowboys and lose to the Jaguars; New England and Baltimore would have the same record (10-6), and the same record within the conference (7-5) — which is the first tiebreaker in a wild card scenario since the teams did not face each other this season. Complicating matters is that, if our math is right, they would also be tied in the next tiebreaker — record against common opponents. So that means it could come down to strength of victory.
http://www.boston.com/sports/f.....triot.html
“Who’s this QB ? He is better than Hassellback”
Senneca Wallace. Was a superstar in college (Iowa State). Now is getting his chance.
“The Patriots began the day tied for the AFC East lead with Miami and the New York Jets. Baltimore (10-5) has the tiebreaker edge over the Patriots for the conference’s one available wild-card spot.
If the Patriots win at Buffalo next Sunday, they still may become the second team to miss the postseason with an 11-5 record since the NFL adopted a 16-game schedule in 1978.”
YankeeJosh: thank you for the word (baseball netowork)
Who’s this QB ? He is better than Hassellback
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Seneca Wallace. Not a bad back-up QB at all.
Thanks Vinny-b gives me hope for Andre Woodson.
Seneca Wallace is a top starting QB if he had good protection and a good o-line
He reminds me of McNabb
Looks like the Vikings have a case of the fumbles today. Yay!
the Cowboys suck!!! played like crap last night!
Ed-Cowboys still alive for the playoffs. Especially since TB lost today.
Grrr!
“gives me hope for Andre Woodson”
didn’t expect him to fall that far in the draft. Excellent quarterback in college
SA,
TB lost? oh…well I was doing some last minute shopping (yes it was jam pack, lol), so didn’t know TB lost. I swear if the Cowboys lose one more game, I’m turning myself into a Giants fan indefinitely. Panic much? Yep. lol
Dallas@Philly showdown next week potentially for a playoff spot?
ed- I did that yesterday at Garden State. Took me almost 3 hours to leave. I am not kidding you! Traffic was a nightmare!
Yup-The ‘boys are still alive.
The Cowboys-Eagles game next week will decide it all. Drama!
Become a Giants fan! Yes! Do it!
Shannon Sharpe = Mushmouth
http://archive.profootballtalk.com/Mushmouth.jpg
Only if Philly wins
If Philly wins, then the winner of that game gets into the playoffs.
Does Donavan McNabb know the tie-breaker rules?
jennifer,
I know. I was happen to be at Garden State too yesterday. What a coincidences. I had to fight with so many people over for what the same item, as long as I saw it, i went rushing to get it.
“didn’t expect him to fall that far in the draft. Excellent quarterback in college”
Me neither last I heard his name was this week throwing to Joe Horn in tryouts/ Woodson is a needle in a haystack pick, you watch him in college for KY and say no way he drops past the 2nd rd. for Jerry Reese to pick you he must think you are going to be somebody special. When he picked Woodson in the late rd. all I kept thinking was the Tom Brady pick for NE and the talk about his mechanics.
SA,
when I do…you will know it.
Here we go:
Dallas can clinch a playoff spot next week with:
1) a win or tie against Philadelphia and an Atlanta loss;
2) a win and a loss or tie by Chicago and a Tampa Bay loss; 3) a win and an Atlanta loss, a Chicago loss or tie and a Tampa Bay loss.
ed- I was in the garage B by Neimens. It was awful. People sat for an 1 1/2 hours with their car running didn’t move an inch. gave up and went back in.
I an writing to Westfield about how unprepared they were for the crowds. I was worried for my safety!
Wow SA that’s too many iterations for my mind to absorb! The way I look at it is this: justice was done when the Pats lost the superbowl in the last minute or whatever it was. What more horrific thing to have happen after going the entire season without a loss! He he he.
Now for justice to continue, it would really be right for the Jets to make the playoffs over the Pats because the Pats taped the Jets (among others). Funny how karma works. I will always be convinced that Clemens caused some bad karma to be visited on the Yankees and that 2004 was probably karmic payback for 2003.
I wasn’t on this blog at the time, but I cannot imagine how Pete was able to even speak after the Giants win! Besides being stunned silent, people around here were truly in mourning. I remember going to mass on campus on Ash Wednesday and having the priest talk about how he imagined that everyone there was still mourning the Patriots’ loss because he knew he was and how they were still in disbelief. One of the few Yankee fans on campus, a guy from NJ, and I shot each other a side glance and we both started to laugh (with our heads bowed and trying to look reverent of course!)
sooo many odds!! ugh, forget it, might as well be a Giants fan now.
sooo many odds!! ugh, forget it, might as well be a Giants fan now.
F the Patriots — GOOOOO DOLPHINS – I cant wait till bellicheat has to sit at home watching the 9 – 7 broncos play. That man deserves nothing, and who leaves their qb in through most of the 4th qrtr leading by 40 points. Asinine.
I might be rooting for the Jests today just so NE is a non factor next week.
And, I call BS on the yankees having an offer on the table for tex. From the horse’s mouth (cashman) he said no offer, ever.
Woo! Welcome to the family Ed.
Jennifer,
at least you didn’t go tackled or anything. I seen some people getting tackle down over something, and people falling down.
SA,
michelle: the way the Patriots are playing, I think the Titans, Steelers, Broncos, and Colts are all rooting for the Jets right now too.
Haha!
I think the Cowboys will say bye to Pacman.
T.O…I’m not so sure. I think Jerry Jones loves him.
ed- which store? I heard there were fist fights in the parking garage. Some jerk stole my spot, I told him off. But it wasn’t worth fighting over it. I told him to shove it.
Knicks/Celtics at 6… if anyone cares
vtred, I care only if the Knicks kick the crap out of the Celtics…
jennifer,
I was at KB Toys, people were fighting over the Elmo live. I had a my spot stolen too, as this car were backing up to leave, out of nowhere, this lady came in and parked. I had to get out, knock on her window and told her I was waiting for my spot. She was like uh….oh sorry. It was wayyyyy too many hassles and headaches that day.
“vtred, I care only if the Knicks kick the crap out of the Celtics…
Then just watch the first 3/4. Youll love it.
oh I stayed far away from KB.
I think the Jet will pull this out. Maybe they’ll have a great 4th quarter. (I know I hope they will because I am totally with Michelle on this stuff. Anyone but the Pats.)
Nothing like having 10 minutes to throw the ball! What’s up with that?!?!?!
I have to go to the mall tomorrow night. I already know I will probably get in a fight with someone in the parking lot.
Sa- if you are in the Bergen Co area, I strongly recommend you do not go to Garden State. I’d go to Paramus Park, or drive from store to store. That is what I should have done.
SA,
…or just go to Jersey Gardens.
I’m in Middlesex Co..So I am going to try to hit both Menlo Mall and Woodbridge Center Mall. God help me.
I can only imagine how Garden State Plaza is right now. Yikes.
Garden State is closed Sundays so tomorrow will be that much worse!
I do wanna go to Jersey Gardens. That place might be scary too though. :O
Heck, every mall is scary right now.
I think I would stay away from Jersey Gardens too. I hate that mall.
So help me out here. Miami already won. If the Jets win today, I mean WHEN the Jets win today, won’t that be the end of the Pats playoff hopes at least in terms of clinching the division since the Jets play Miami next week?
Garden State is closed Sundays
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I totally forgot that the stores are closed on Sunday in Bergen County. Oh tomorrow the stores will be scaaaary
“Heck, every mall is scary right now.”
LOL, affirmative. I was at Toys R Us, 5 minutes away from my house, it was jam pack and had to go through every person just to get to a certain asile. Don’t even get me started on the cash registers.
I thought the economy was bad? Guess the media is just trying to scare everyone.
Trisha,
you mean the Dolphins were doing better than they were last year? 1-15.
lol
wow…
I know I don’t understand all of the nuances of football but I definitely don’t understand why he didn’t go for it.
The Jets are sad. Mangini needs to be whacked.
What just happened with Feely? He seems angry
I guess the Jets have no defense? Man alive, talk about time to throw the ball!!!
I don’t think the Jets fans are going to let that non-kick go.
http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....t_mix.html
pile of garbage. Didn’t even make it through the entire article. If Girardi would’ve been easy going last year, then he would’ve been ripped for that (instead of being labeled rigid and overzealous).
It is no wonder why the media is hated. Complete joke.
Angels withdraw offer to Teixeria
The Los Angeles Angels on Sunday afternoon withdrew their offer to free-agent slugger Mark Teixeira and do not intend to continue negotiations with his agent, according to a source close to the negotiations.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns
dan 771
December 21st, 2008 at 2:15 pm
“i think arizona has a come back in them
they are playing well, just not getting any breaks. i think they are going to win this game, steal it in the 4th quarter.”
Oh ya definitely right dan…arizona played an awesome game.
Go to Vegas much dan?
“The Los Angeles Angels on Sunday afternoon withdrew their offer to free-agent slugger Mark Teixeira and do not intend to continue negotiations with his agent, according to a source close to the negotiations.”
Good for them. Both Boras and Teixeira have overrated his worth. Now maybe I’ll get my Christmas wish and the Nats will get him.
I’m not a Jets fan
But a team with Favre at QB, Coles and Cotchery at WR, Jones/Washington at RB, Keller/Stuckey at TE, with D’Brick, Faneca, and Mangold on the O-line should NOT be struggling this much to score points.
I’ve seen a lot of Jets games this season where their offense just seems to bog down against terrible defenses.
Angels withdraw offer to Teixeria
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Interesting
“The Jets are sad. Mangini needs to be whacked”
and he will be. 0-4 on the west coast, all 4 of them terrible teams. Even Mangini supporters, will not be able to defend this.
Hey Mangini, theres a concept. A blitz!!!
If the Jets don’t pull this out, they should definitely fall on their swords next week and let Miami win the game, just to stick it to the Pats.
“Angels withdraw offer to Teixeria”
a pre-emptive Manny strike??
not that it would matter. Boras is the agent. He will have LAD, Anaheim, and NYY bidding against each other (for Manny) hell or high-water
“The Los Angeles Angels on Sunday afternoon withdrew their offer to free-agent slugger Mark Teixeira and do not intend to continue negotiations with his agent, according to a source close to the negotiations.”
Oh crap hell. Cash go get him please dont let this happen for Boston.
“Oh crap hell. Cash go get him please dont let this happen for Boston”
panic panic panic.
who cares what Boston does.
Despite everything, Favre will still have one more chance.
harwood, we’ve had this discussion before and at least four of us don’t care whether Boston gets him or not – and we’re all here. I, vinny-b, ed, and brandon. I want him to go to the Nats only because I think that teams without huge bucks to spend all the time also deserve “star” players. But it’s not at all because I’m worried about Boston getting him.
“Despite everything, Favre will still have one more chance.”
Here’s hoping.
Wow this is pretty sad to watch.
Oh Coles Joe Beningo won’t love that.
well, Favre definitely made that throw.
goodbye, Eric Mangini. Thanks for nothing.
Someone please tell me why I watch the Jets. They are so bad!
Time for prima donna Favre to start debating for the next six months whether he is going to retire!
Nice knowing ya Eric not!
LOL @ being a Patriots and Yankees fan, what a fraud
Mangini…. WTF?
wow…speechless….wow
Yeah the Jets better lose next week. Just to knock the Pats out.
something tells me that no matter who pulls out or whatever, the yanks are just not in on Tex, sorry guys.
“and at least four of us don’t care whether Boston gets him or not –”
My apologies to the almighty 4 of lhblog comments.
“who cares what Boston does.”
I do. If they add Texieira to their offense and we do nothing to ours we stand to be very vulnerable still.
Tex means they can trade Anderson for something great and if they get a decent season out of their rotation they stay extremely competitive with ours while having a better offense and defense.
Meanwhile if we add nothing we have a ton of parts which could break down or under perform in our lineup. A pretty lousy defense still and no offense but a good rotation is bad news. It means instead of buying a great bat now we are trading prospects away mid season to stay in the running.
Lord I’m not Jets fan, I’m a Giants fan here, but can you them one miracle, just one, they do need it right now and I’d like a calm x-mas on NY sports radio so can you do what you do for our sake.
this Tex situation is an open door for the yankees. they will regret not signing him especially if boston does.
Kevin: who is the fraud? I only know one Patriots/Yankees fan who frequents this board and I don’t think that’s who you’re talking about.
Evan Roberts better keep his mouth shut tomorrow. I wanna hear Joe Benigno just let it all out.
Mangini is useless. Ship him off to a fat farm.
“Lord I’m not Jets fan, I’m a Giants fan here, but can you them one miracle, just one, they do need it right now and I’d like a calm x-mas on NY sports radio so can you do what you do for our sake”
lol.
thank you. Except, the Jets already received that miracle last week.
“My apologies to the almighty 4 of lhblog comments.”
No need to get snarky. I was just stating a fact. Not everyone is afraid of Boston. Is that okay with you?
over/under on the “will Brett Favre retire” stories in the press next week?
INT Favre
Well that sealed it
You guys still printing those Jet/Giants superbowl tickets?
“No need to get snarky. I was just stating a fact. Not everyone is afraid of Boston. Is that okay with you?”
They have as of recently had a better team then the Yankees and are threatening to continue making additions. Considering they play in the same division yeh Im worried. Why is that not ok with you?
“Mangini is useless. Ship him off to a fat farm”
maybe the worst pro football coach, have ever seen. Seriously.
go pats!
Jets stink. I am going to burn all my Jet jerseys. I can’t stand this.
Ratgini gets his, karma lives
go seahawks!
a
December 21st, 2008 at 6:46 pm
“go to hell youk”
How original “a”.
I can only guess what the “a” stands for…..
WAHOO!!
“typical fat new yorkers who never win anything just like all of you”
Seems to me the New York Giants won something quite big last year! And I wouldn’t say that 26 world series is nothing – unless you’re somehow more stimulated by the number 7!
LISTEN GUYS MY SEASON SEATS MORE THEN TRIPLED. I MOVED 10 SECTIONS OVER AND STILL PAYING DOUBLE. NO ONE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE YANKS HAVING TO CUT 15% OFF THEIR PAYROLL BECUASE OF THE ECONOMY AS CASMAN SDAYS {YET HE CASH’S HIS $2MM A YEAR PAY CHECK}. THE YANKS CAN CERTAINLY AFFORD TO CUT PAYROLL TO $190MM FROM $210MM AND SIGN TEX and THEN JETISON A PLAYER LIKE DAMON {FOR SOME PROSPECTS}AND SAVE $13MM ON HIS PAY OR TRADE AWAY SWISHER’s CONTRACT AND THEN NOT SIGN PETTITTE FOR A INFLATED $10MM SALARY AS A 5th STARTER. I AM SURE EITHER IPK, HUGHES or ACEVES CAN BE A 5th STARTER. NO CRYING FOR A TEAM WHO WILL DOUBLE THEIR REVENUE FROM THE YEAR BEFORE. THEY CAN DO THE TEX THING!
Boomer Essiason is full of sh*t. States the Jets should’ve punted the ball away with 2 minutes left.
I kinda feel nad for the Jest fans…..ah cmon who am I kidding, suck it!
Why can’t I quit the Jets? I’m not even from New York.
Coweher disagrees. and i’ll go with what Cower says.
Don’t worry, Espresso, the Jets will quit you.
harwood, you have as much right to worry as we have not to, correct? So go for it, and we will do the opposite, and we’ll all continue to thrive, doing our own thing. In the end the one thing that we have in common is that we are all Yankee fans.
we need registration here.
Wiseman, the wild card here is whether or not the Yanks want Tex that badly. So far it doesn’t seem so.
3 reasons to pull for Miami next week:
1) puts a clincher on Mangini being gone.
2) higher draft position, next year
3) Miami will win the division (not New England)
Did the circus in Boston just let out?
They hurt you and hurt you and you keep going back. I feel like F!@#ing Cubs fan. Usually I am forgiving of the coaches, its the players on the field, but too many of the Jets losses are bad game planning. They could and should have just stuffed the ball down Seattle’s throat. They should have kicked the FG instead of punting. That was dumb. I can go either way on the non-punt.
The defender was pulling on Coles jersey on that fourth down btw. The Jets stunk, but the refs weren’t heaps better.
a… it’s one thing to joke around. It is quite another call people inappropriate names and to have no class.
guys .. some reports are saying the Angels retracted there offer to TEX. what does this mean for us
Computer night at Bellevue.
trisha has granted all those who post the right of having an opinion. this is truly a great day. thanks be to trisha.
There must really be a big offer for Tex. Gotta be the Nats I guess. Obviously that’s best case scenario for the Yankees, but I’m glad to see that team trying to build up. Its good for baseball and bad for the Mets. I don’t even hate the Mets, I’m just angry and their name rhymes with Jets.
harwood –
spoken like the true Cowardly Lion!
I find people who panic extremely attractive.
YAWN!
“There must really be a big offer for Tex. Gotta be the Nats I guess. Obviously that’s best case scenario for the Yankees, but I’m glad to see that team trying to build up. Its good for baseball and bad for the Mets. I don’t even hate the Mets, I’m just angry and their name rhymes with Jets.”
Good post, espresso.
Hold onto the lead Falcons
Finally some semblance of sanity. Tex is not worth more than $18 million a year (no bloody athlete is worth anything close to that IMHO, but I digress…)
Here’s how I think it will shake down:
Angels or LAA sign Ramirez
Boston signs Teixeira
Boston trades a package around Lars Anderson and possibly Bucholz to acquire Peavey.
And we roll the dice into next season. GO YANKS!
What in the world do the Angels have to gain in saying they are pulling out??
Sorry, I meant:
Angels or LAD (Dodgers) sign Ramirez.
“Finally some semblance of sanity. Tex is not worth more than $18 million a year”
Yep.
About Boston getting him? Unless they reverse course it isn’t going to happen. They already announced they are dropping out of the “who is willing to overpay Teixeira for a contract that never ends?” race.
Bob,
I think the Angels are fed up or that Teixeira just has really narrowed it down to East Coast teams.
Bob, if it’s true, some semblance of dignity? Maybe they feel they are being jerked around and they don’t like it. For once the player isn’t able to hold the team hostage.
Trisha, I hear what you’re saying re: Boston, but I never expect a word of truth from those two slimeballs running the show there. I hope they do sign him for that ridiculous amount, let’s watch their payroll be crippled for the next eight years. And after year four, Tex may very well be in decline.
I don’t want to get too excited but the Knicks went from 22 down to 8 at the half!
I’ve been a Jet fan for 28 years and this team is cursed. Joe Willie made a deal with the devil. He guaranteed a Super Bowl victory and he got it. Now Satan has the Jets by the nads forever. I want to see Chad get in so Bellecheat doesn’t get in.
The ending of the Eagles/Reskins game..
Wow! Just WOW
lol
“harwood –
spoken like the true Cowardly Lion!”
The Red Sox have been better then the Yankees. Why dismiss my admitting this as cowardly?
”
I find people who panic extremely attractive.
”
Oh I get it, you’re a girl.
I think Swisher sounds like a most welcome presence in the clubhouse. Who knows, he could have a very meaningful career in NY. Hope he rebounds like Brosius, maybe even has some David Cone or Paul O’Neill in his intensity/character. I hope they plug him in at first base for years, I’d rather win with someone like him than a bloated glam-contract. We need role-players in addition to veteran stars and prospects.
Reskins=Redskins
the yanks will end up with either Manny or Tex . . im probably in the minority here . .but i want Manny !!
Princess that wouldn’t bother me either! I’d love to see one of the less competitive teams get him so they might be more competitive, but if it doesn’t happen, let him go to Boston. It won’t be nearly enough, and it would be funny to see them shoot their wad on him. I fully expect him to wither under the glare of a lot of pressure anyway! So far the Yanks are showing they aren’t blown away by him.
Oh, I get it. “a” is new in town guys, and has learned how to charm people with his friends in Flushing. “a” comes to us via Seattle, his brother is JJ and plays for the Mets. Do I have that right, “a”? U.R.A Putz?
i think when all the posturing is over, teixeira ends up in boston. they’ve got to do something to answer what cashman’s accomplished so far this offseason, and this seems like the move they’ve been targeting.
i don’t love the idea of the yankees depending so heavily on matsui and posada to produce, but if the rotation holds up to be anywhere near as good as it looks on paper, they won’t need to score 1,000 runs to win games. i’d love to see them land teixeira but it ain’t happening, in my opinion. manny? maybe, but i’d rather not see him in pinstripes, just as a personal preference. after kevin brown, randy johnson and sheffield, i’ve had my fill of rooting for players i can’t stand simply because they’re wearing the NY logo.
“About Boston getting him? Unless they reverse course it isn’t going to happen. They already announced they are dropping out of the “who is willing to overpay Teixeira for a contract that never ends?” race.”
I think the statement by the Boston FA could well be just a part of the elaborate game that they and Boras are playing. They did the same thing in the Dice-K negotiations.
I’m not making any predictions at all but I would not count Boston out at all in getting Tex.
Why would Tex want to play for a team like the Nats that may not even be a contending team for the length of his contract.
Most of the top players reach a point where they are wanting to play meaningful games in the postseason. Arod was paid a bundle by Texas but he wanted to play for a contender.
Shelly’s back! He’s probably really psyched that the Jets lost, as he’s a Giant’s fan, so he came to gloat. Only he always comes incognito.
Ignore the sicko talk. He’s obviously depraved.
S.A.: that was incredible, one foot short. Incredibly, I think the Eagles aren’t dead yet. Best case scenario is they knock out the Cowboys next week and the Bucs win and knock the Eagles out. I think that’s how it works?
Also, the Broncos choked at home vs. the Bills, so now the Chargers can miraculously still get in with a win vs. the Broncos next week. All kinds of AFC drama next weekend.
Ray, he may very well end up in Boston. Again, where he ends up is truly of no moment to me. Frankly, I’ve been hoping that he ends up anywhere BUT with the Yanks.
Time will tell.
per MLBTR -
6:02pm: Brown, who seemingly had the Angels’ withdrawn offer scoop first, has more. He says Arte Moreno decided that Tex did not intend to play for the Angels and were being used to drive up the price.
Brown also learned that the Red Sox have not spoken to Boras since Thursday night.
“Most of the top players reach a point where they are wanting to play meaningful games in the postseason. Arod was paid a bundle by Texas but he wanted to play for a contender.”
Yes, Ray, but the time that these players reach that point usually comes *after* they’ve signed a huge contract with a mediocre team, not before.
“if the rotation holds up to be anywhere near as good as it looks on paper, they won’t need to score 1,000 runs to win games.”
Agree.
“manny? maybe, but i’d rather not see him in pinstripes, just as a personal preference. after kevin brown, randy johnson and sheffield, i’ve had my fill of rooting for players i can’t stand simply because they’re wearing the NY logo.”
kasey, by the looks of it the majority here agree with that position.
With the Angels out, doesnt that mean Manny goes to the Angels?
Interesting that the Angels are publicizing pulling their offer for Tex. I’d love to hear CB’s take on it.
My guess is that teams are getting tired of playing Boras’ game.
Angels made no secret that Tex was their priority this off-season, so they must have gotten really fed up with Boras, particularly if Kat O’Brien is correct that Boras informed the Yankees what it would take to become the high bidder.
trisha – CC and AJ and Sheets – OH MY!”
December 21st, 2008 at 7:22 pm
“Ray, he may very well end up in Boston. Again, where he ends up is truly of no moment to me. Frankly, I’ve been hoping that he ends up anywhere BUT with the Yanks.
Time will tell.”
I fully agree about time will tell trisha.
A while ago Tex said something about wanting it settled before Christmas.
Plus even though Boras is well known for prolonging contract negotiations they may be reaching the point where they want Tex’s contract settled with whatever team it ends up being.
Boras will turn around and use the numbers of the Tex contract to justify why a team should spend big bucks for manny.
Clare, how I hate Boras. Nothing makes me happier than to see his prize pigs sitting in the mud. That would be Teixiera, Varitek, and Manny.
that was incredible, one foot short. Incredibly, I think the Eagles aren’t dead yet. Best case scenario is they knock out the Cowboys next week and the Bucs win and knock the Eagles out. I think that’s how it works?
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Nick-Yeah, I think that is how it works. I need to find an updated playoff scenario thingie. Everything is crazy!
Sign Tex or wait a year for Pujols?
“Ignore the sicko talk. He’s obviously depraved.”
Was that directed at me trisha? I wish I continued to ignore your posts. I happened to notice in the past most of them consisted something similar to this. You typically taking a shot at someone then unable to defend yourself. Usually playing a sympathy card or attempting to change the subject by engaging other posters.
Perhaps I should have kept you entertained instead of making a comment about baseball. What would win your affection trisha? What do you find attractive trisha? You must tell me. Perhaps there is some assemblance of feathers I could present to you or chirp a love song?!
Hi Trisha …. although you and I agree on a multitude of topics (that’s actually true), I think you’re being a little blase about the impact of Texeira on the Red Sox lineup. Their middle-of-the-order hitters are older (but who isn’t?), and injury prone. Texeira gives them a younger player with excellent productivity.
Another interesting point ….. The Sox are presently under $100M on this year’s payroll. All they need is a catcher and a backup ourfielder – the rest of the positions are filled. So their short term, and long term, payroll situation seems to be excellent.
Trisha, you’ve already gotten AJ & CC for Christmas, so I’m glad that you’re not being a little piggy (or grinchy) and stealing Teixeira from some deserving kid’s stocking. In the spirit of the season, have a wonderful Christmas.
willis
December 21st, 2008 at 7:29 pm
“Sign Tex or wait a year for Pujols”
Is Pujols in the last year of his contract this next year?
Why is 170mm not a slam dunk tonight?
If Boston was at 168mm and Boras knows LA is out why not just give him a take it or leave it tonight?
What is Boras going to do, go back to Boston to beat 170?
If Tex wants to be a Yankee he will take the 170 and be done.
willis
December 21st, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Sign Tex or wait a year for Pujols?
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How about 4 years…2012
“Was that directed at me trisha?”
No it was directed at the poster who started to get pretty vulgar with his posts.
if your the jets, you are not making the playoffs, you should fold against miami and take the pats with ya
The Angels retract the offer
The Yankees don’t even bid or show serious interest
The loser Nationals have the high bid and Boras publicly admitted their offer needs to be considerably higher for Tex to join them
So basically.. Teixeria is on a silver platter for Boston. No competition at all to get him.
“Trisha, you’ve already gotten AJ & CC for Christmas, so I’m glad that you’re not being a little piggy (or grinchy) and stealing Teixeira from some deserving kid’s stocking.”
I am laughing so hard I’m crying!!!!!
“In the spirit of the season, have a wonderful Christmas.”
And to you and yours, truly. That’s from the heart.
By the way, I still think your team is a bunch of overrated bums. No offense. Well, that too!
With the Angels pulling their offer for Teixeira, it seems as though Boras has no leverage left. Who is still in besides Boston and the Nationals?
personally, I’d rather have Manny but I’ll be happy either way. My gut says Tex ends up with the O’s.
Brian (Red Sox fan)
Obviously I know this is a Yankee blog, but I want to ask you a quick question.
If the Sox sign Tex do you think they trade highly regarded prospect Lars Anderson as was suggested by a poster on here earlier?
Fran, I think the Orioles were a late-comer in that “sweepstakes”.
i have come to the conclusion that tex wants to sign with the yankees. Make an offer cashman. george would have signed him two weeks ago. stop being a bean counter hal and sign tex.
“No it was directed at the poster who started to get pretty vulgar with his posts.”
Oh thats a relief I guess. You should probably use names though in the future if you’re going to argue with more then one person at a time.
ray (sox fan)
December 21st, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Brian (Red Sox fan)
Obviously I know this is a Yankee blog, but I want to ask you a quick question.
If the Sox sign Tex do you think they trade highly regarded prospect Lars Anderson as was suggested by a poster on here earlier?
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Not only that, but, in the immediate future, what are the plans for Lowell? You can’t trade him until he proves he’s healthy, and how much salary will they be willing to eat?
Argue? Hardly. I already told you that I couldn’t care less about your panic attacks and I would instead stick to not worrying. Bye now.
Hi Trisha,
I may be wrong but I thought that the Orioles already pulled out.
trisha,
I don’t hate Boras, I appreciate what he’s done for the players. He hs almost singlehandedly changed the signing bonus structure for the amateur draft. I’ve read some quotes from him about how for a lot of guys, that signing bonus is their only chance to make a lot of money. Particularly the top talents who never make it to the majors, or those who get injured before free agency, that signing bonus might set them up for life.
I hate what Boras did to ARod with the timing of the opt-out, but other than that, he does his job (get his clients the most money) better than most people do.
“Not only that, but, in the immediate future, what are the plans for Lowell? You can’t trade him until he proves he’s healthy, and how much salary will they be willing to eat?”
Good evening GB7. Very good question to which I don’t have the answer, but I am guessing that if they are really wanting to get Tex they won’t let the Lowell contract get in the way.
By the way GB7…..I have it from very reliable sources that you are on the “naughty” list this holiday and will be getting a lump of coal. Just wanted to give you a heads up!
Fran, you may be right! That shows you how much attention I’m paying to the Teixeira drama.
“Overrated bums??”
Bah! Humbug!!
Think I’ll go watch the Celtics finish off the Knicks, who only have another 130 or so games before they can can entice Lebron with promises of championships.
Francis
December 21st, 2008 at 7:35 pm
The Angels retract the offer
The Yankees don’t even bid or show serious interest
The loser Nationals have the high bid and Boras publicly admitted their offer needs to be considerably higher for Tex to join them
So basically.. Teixeria is on a silver platter for Boston. No competition at all to get him
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What makes you think that the Yankees have no interest?
We will sign him because the bidding on Manny will get too high with LA after him as well. If we lose him to sox then we stand a chance to lose both.
We CAN’T let that happen.
Clare, I can’t stand Boras because I think he is an insufferable, coniving, pig – not that there’s anything wrong with that, I guess…
The Celtics?
Bah! Humbug! to you in return. Actually the Knicks look pretty good. Wouldn’t it be great if they took this game!
Mike DiGiovanna the Angels beat reporter with the LA Times is now reporting that he has it directly from the teams vice president of communications that the Angels have retracted their offer and are no longer pursuing Tex.
The angels needed tex the most but from the beginning they were very leery about whether they had a true shot given Tex’s preference to play on the east coast and the options he has there.
Things continue to get very interesting. With Boras it’s always a roller coaster but these negotiations are proceding very differently than many of the huge deals he’s done before.
Tex will get his money. The question is – how much.
Who knows the truth but from all of these leaks, pulled offers and refusals to up bids it seems like the market may be speaking.
And what it’s telling Tex and Boras is this – your services aren’t worth what you think they are.
Right now the market seems to be maturing for Tex and approaching convergence on price – all of the offers Tex has gotten seem to be ranging from 160M-170M. There’s almost an equilibrium price point that settling in there.
Notice how there has been absolutely no talk at all about any team adding a 9th year. Now that could still happen – but boras always brings up that additional marginal year as the issue that could wind up getting the eager team his player – not a peep so far.
Boras is still trying to coax out the AAV he wants.
That’s why he called Cashman – he needs the yankees to come back into play to turn this into an auction again.
But they haven’t responded aggressively – instead they leaked that floor figure of their potential willingness to bid $160M but no more.
Again – notice how the yanks leaked number is right at the lower end of the price point in offers Tex has gotten.
Now it’s theoretically possible the Nats have made some monstrous bid and Tex simply doesn’t want to play for them. But that seems unlikely. Most rumors are that the nats bid is also around 160M and Olney said today the nats don’t truly expect to get Tex.
If there is a convergence on price either one of two things is going to happen – one team will break from the pack with a substantially larger offer (which to date has not happened despite boras’s attempts). Or Tex is going to have to pick at least in part based on non-monetary issues – namely he’ll need to pick the team he actually wants to be on and play for.
I’m not sure if the yanks interest is simply to drive the price up. That’s possible. But what argues against that is that they didn’t leak a willingness to go to 170M. They leaked a price at the floor of the offers.
I still think it’s unlikely the yanks will sign tex. The sox are still the highest probability given their current payroll.
But I do think this – if there was every a chance that the yanks could sign Tex after signing CC and AJ it would require things to shake out exactly as we are seeing: convergence on price, refusal to add marginal years, no team breaking away from the pack and the top bidder calling out boras’ attempt to get them to bid against themselves.
It would take the market shaking out like it is for the yanks to have any chance.
Two weeks ago I might have put the yanks chance at 5%. The probability is still against them – but I’d given them a 15-20% chance right now.
I think they are seriously mulling over what to do because the market for Tex hasn’t truly exploded. The yanks can play in this kind of environment.
If prices are close and Tex wants to be a yankee – it could happen.
ray (sox fan)
December 21st, 2008 at 7:46 pm
“Not only that, but, in the immediate future, what are the plans for Lowell? You can’t trade him until he proves he’s healthy, and how much salary will they be willing to eat?”
Good evening GB7. Very good question to which I don’t have the answer, but I am guessing that if they are really wanting to get Tex they won’t let the Lowell contract get in the way.
By the way GB7…..I have it from very reliable sources that you are on the “naughty” list this holiday and will be getting a lump of coal. Just wanted to give you a heads up!
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Evening, Ray. I hope that all of the little (red sox fan) family don’t get lumps of coal for Christmas…everybody knows that you will.
I’ve been on Santa’s “A” list for 59 years. Now’s not the time to break a perfect record.
If you got that info from Peter Gammons, though, I’m not too concerned. He hasn’t been right since Washington left Valley Forge.
It’s going to be tough to move Lowell’s 24 million dollar hip. I find it hard to believe that Boston is willing to give up another potential impact bat from the system and have him turn into another Hanley Ramirez.
Seeing as how I was asked:
(1) Lowell – as I previously posted, the Sox are in good shape, payroll-wise (right now, less than $100M). If you reference Renteria & Manny, the Sox have no qualms about eating salary. They’ll eat some of Lowell’s salary, if need be. It’s a non-issue.
(2) Lars Anderson – He’s only 21… Ortiz is an aging 33 … Youk is almost 30 and will be a free agent in 2 years. They’ll be in no big hurry to trade him. There might be a spot opening for him sooner than one opens for Phil Hughes.
As a sidebar, they won’t give Lowell away. Coco Crisp was “certain” to be traded in ST, and proved to ba a valuable piece in 2008.
“And what it’s telling Tex and Boras is this – your services aren’t worth what you think they are.”
Yeah, exactly what I said earlier.
Its hard to tell what the front offices are thinking on Tex now. I think the Angels may be trying to save their dignity. To declare that signing him is your #1 offseason priority and have it not go your way is embarrassing. The one nice thing the Yankees did for other clubs is not let them get insulted with the CC thing. They went for the shock and awe approach.
It may be dawning on some people that Tex is not a once in a lifetime talent (in the league of Arod, Pujols and Manny, I keep coming back to them), maybe they are realizing that the “stats” Boras gives them are intended to make his clients look more valuable. Remember the info floated out there that Damon was the most important CF ever? It was something like that. Lance Berkman is probably the best switch hitting 1b in the game.
CB-
If things do work out in the Yankees favor regarding Tex, couldn’t they structure his salary so that for the 2009 season it would fit within whatever the max salary structure is that they’ve been working with, and then going forward to 2010 and beyond, with other salaries coming “off the books,” couldn’t Tex end up being affordable for the Yankees?
I agree with those who say that Texeira isn’t a Pujols, but a player he does remind me of is Mattingly. I’m doing this w/o looking up their career numbers, so it’s based on my recollections nand perceptions, not raw data.
If my analogy has some worth, what would a 28 year old Mattingly be worth in today’s market? That might be a valid frame of reference for Teixeira.
“If things do work out in the Yankees favor regarding Tex, couldn’t they structure his salary so that for the 2009 season it would fit within whatever the max salary structure is that they’ve been working with”
Doreen,
I’m sure that’s one of the issues that the Yanks would want to discuss with Tex and Boras. Who knows if they’d accept.
But that would be a huge public relations coup for both the yanks and tex. It would enable them to say they are reducing salary, bring back pettite and sign tex. Tex taking less this year to help the team would automatically come off like something of a hero.
Now who knows if tex has any interest at all in doing this. He’s a boras guy so odds are that he’s going to go where the most money is.
That said – it seems like the most money may be falling short of what Tex had in mind. I’d guess he was really hoping that a 10yr/200-220 deal might be possible given what boras has done in the past.
But the economic climate is even affecting him. There just isn’t the same kind of rabid bidding we’ve seen in the past (or at least what we know is going on).
It really gets down to whether Tex wants to be a yankee. If he has some preference then they’ll make the money work.
It seems to me the yankees may be doing two things by being so passive: they’re making boras come to them (which he has already done at least twice now – that in person meeting and the phone call friday); and second they are sending clear signals that if you’re expecting $200M we’re out.
But if the price is more towards 170M they very well could jump in.
It’s getting interesting.
The salaries coming off the books are going to leave holes. There is going to be a need for offense from the outfield. Either Gardner or Melky may be fine defensively, but it may be that neither progresses at the plate (I’m pulling for Melky). Jackson may be a great player, but he could be hype (never seen him). Both corners are going to be open. There will be a DH opening as well. Signing Tex for too much money now could put the Yankees in a bind next year. It could end up being the same problem of trading the future for a win now.
CB i believe Tex could fit into the Yankee payroll .. But i dont think the Yanks are all that intrested in him. . Lukewarm at best .
Basically .. they’re telling Tex and Boras . Look . We just signed CC and Burnett . .Plus we have Joba and Mo.. Heres 160 – 170 million . .take it or leave it ..
If he goes else where …. The Yanks will sign Manny . .
We really need registration on this blog.
Too manny immature folks posting nonsense.
Mattingly was a better ball player than Tex by a good margin.
Mattingly was better between the ages of 22-26 than Tex has been from 26-28.
Unfortunately mattingly never enjoyed the normal peak years of his career due to the back injury.
The player who is actually closer to mattingly than Tex is is Miguel Cabrera – only mattingly was also a brilliant fielder. Those are pretty good age-performance comparisons.
Give him the 8 years for a total of 180 mil. 15 mil in each of the first two years and 25 mil in the next 6 years. OPT-OUT after the 4th year. That allows NYY to keep in their budget with the 40 or so mil coming off of the books and it costs NYY the extra 10 mil over what is probably the high bid. It would still allow NYY to sign Pettitte if the need to.
The Pats got the win…but I still hate em. Jets will beat Miami next week. Buffalo will beat New England. J E T S JETS JETS JETS
CB and Doreen – Good to hear (read?) from you.
With all thie speculation about Tex and the Yankees…If I were Andy Pettitte, I would start to think about signing my contract pretty fast, before the Yanks start to think of another way to spend that 10M.
Thanks CB.
If Tex does have to choose a team based on non-monetary factors, I think the Yankees might have a better shot because of Tex’s resentment about how the Red Sox treated him in the draft.
What are the odds, however, that Boston decides to break away from the pack and up their offer if it looks like the Yankees might sign him? Which is probably exactly what Boras is hoping for.
You know, the Yankees were fairly straightforward with what their money was going to be spent on this winter; they’ve also been quite frank about wanting to keep payroll (much?) lower than 2008. Is Boras still operating under a different paradigm where the Yankees are concerned? Meaning, that the Yankees are all in on all top FAs?
I have to say that I’m very impressed with the way the Yankees are handling themselves in this particular case. They are protected by having already dealt for Swisher, so they will not be without a bona fide first baseman. Yet they can get Tex on as close to their terms as poosible, depending, of course, on whether Teixeira has a preference to play for them. I tend to think that he does, since twice there have been meeting at his (through Boras) request, and the fact that Boston left Texas without Teixeira in hand
CB, you’re right. This has gotten very interesting. I was convinced just a week ago that there was no way in heck the Yankees would be players here.
There are lots of ways for teams to be creative in structuring contracts. The most important thing is that they need to know that the player has a real interest in coming there. It’s not just a matter of picking salary numbers out of the air; it actually takes an awful lot of number crunching to make things work.
Clare
December 21st, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Thanks CB.
If Tex does have to choose a team based on non-monetary factors, I think the Yankees might have a better shot because of Tex’s resentment about how the Red Sox treated him in the draft.
What are the odds, however, that Boston decides to break away from the pack and up their offer if it looks like the Yankees might sign him? Which is probably exactly what Boras is hoping for.
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Not having to wear that obscene new Red Sox logo should be worth something.
Whoever asked before pujols is a free agent in 3 years. If you don’t get Tex you run at Pujols in 3 years, if the Cardinals don’t lock him up before then depending on who his agent is…also you don’t get Tex you can move Jeter 2 first base in 2 years anyway as sad as it is, i give him 2 more years at short after this one.
“Not having to wear that obscene new Red Sox logo should be worth something”
GB, that is what you are getting in your stocking this year!
Well, since my Jets can’t win on the west coast, GO GIANTS!!
GB7,
To quote #13 – HA!
ray (sox fan)
December 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pm
“Not having to wear that obscene new Red Sox logo should be worth something”
GB, that is what you are getting in your stocking this year!
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Oh, Please…not that. I’ll be good. I promise.
“Too manny immature folks posting nonsense.”
Too “manny” immature folks??? Was that an intentional pun or something along the lines of a Freudian slip?
Being a kicker is like being a lefty reliever, you can play forever!
Okay, I just got up to date with everything going on in the baseball world today.
The Angels withdrew their offer? I wonder why they did that. They traded their first baseman of the future for him knowing that they would have sign him in the off season.
I’ve also read reports the Yankees and Boras have talked a couple of times about Tex, does anyone know what this is about?
And I heard a report the Yankees where going to offer a 3 year deal to Manny. Please say this isn’t so.
Clare
December 21st, 2008 at 8:26 pm
GB7,
To quote #13 – HA!
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Evening, Clare. It’s been awhile. Hope you and your’s are having a good holiday season. Plenty of cooking and stuff. You can email me my dinner and plenty of leftovers. I’m not picky.
People have always had the wrong idea about Rodriguez and that “HA!!” The truth was that as he was running past McDonald, the shortstop, McDonald goosed rodriguez and it surprised him. Wasn’t his fault at all.
ray (sox fan)
December 21st, 2008 at 8:29 pm
“Too manny immature folks posting nonsense.”
Too “manny” immature folks??? Was that an intentional pun or something along the lines of a Freudian slip?
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Or, as the best psychiatrists say…”it was a boo-boo.”
CB … just checked Mattingly’s stats …. didn’t realize how long he had back problems. I thought it was an end-of-career situation. Not so.
By the way, I don’t see Mattingly’s stats as being better than Teixeira’s. Never more than 35 HRs, even with the short porch …. and didn’t walk much.
I still think that they are roughly comparable (which I mean as a compliment), but there’s no need to micro-analyze our respective viewpoints (maybe on a slower news day).
“And what it’s telling Tex and Boras is this – your services aren’t worth what you think they are.”
Here is the thing though. Boras and Tex likely came into the market knowing they wouldn’t get 10-year $200 + plus figure they announced out of the gate. I suspect 8-years $170 million or so is exactly what they baragained for.
Notice how Boras does this with all of his clients. He puts out seemingly two years and about $40 million more than what anyone expects to pay. Then when the price comes down, people think they’ve brought Boras to his knees – but its just the opposite.
The majority of the time, Boras gets the highest end contracts for his players on the market.
Watch and see what Manny signs for. He’ll get 3 years and $75 million at least. More than likely, it’ll come from the Yankees.
“What are the odds, however, that Boston decides to break away from the pack and up their offer if it looks like the Yankees might sign him?”
High. That’s why Boston is still the most probably landing spot.
They have so much money to spend right now – it’s burning a hole in their pockets.
In fact if they don’t spend some serious money right now – the fans there will not be happy given how much ticket prices are there.
And this is why Boras is trying to rope the yankees back in – to get the yanks and boston to bid against each other.
That seems to be his only hope of getting the real payday he wants for tex.
The real question is whether both teams actually just say – this is what the market has settled into. This is your price – you chose.
Boston is a very disciplined team. I’m sure they have put an exact dollar figure on what they think Tex’s services are worth to them in terms of revenues.
It seems like $170M is what they think he’s worth.
Would they go to say 190M? Perhaps. It’s hard to know as the John Henry hasn’t gone into that territory before.
I’d guess they would as they really do have a ton of money to spend.
But if that $190M goes past the revenue they forecast tex will provide it’ll be interesting to see what happens.
Brian (Red Sox Fan)
December 21st, 2008 at 8:40 pm
CB … just checked Mattingly’s stats …. didn’t realize how long he had back problems. I thought it was an end-of-career situation. Not so.
By the way, I don’t see Mattingly’s stats as being better than Teixeira’s. Never more than 35 HRs, even with the short porch …. and didn’t walk much.
I still think that they are roughly comparable (which I mean as a compliment), but there’s no need to micro-analyze our respective viewpoints (maybe on a slower news day).
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Mattingly wasn’t a home run hitter, though. A Paul O’Neill line drive hitter. Piniella made an adjustment in his swing to lift the ball a little. The most he ever had in the minors was 9. He drove in runs like a power hitter in the minors, though. The prettiest left handed swing I have seen since Ted Williams.
“By the way, I don’t see Mattingly’s stats as being better than Teixeira’s. Never more than 35 HRs, even with the short porch …. and didn’t walk much.”
Very, very different offensive era back then. Look at Mattingly’s OPS+. That’s the better way to compare players from different times.
Mattingly was unbelievable – and unbelievable at such a young age.
He never got to his peak. Cut off before then with the back.
Look at Tex from ages 23-26 and compare that to Mattingly at that age – no comparison.
Teix is in his peak years right now and is coming off what are probably the two best years of his career.
Neither is as good as Mattingly was when he was 23-24.
Given their ages at their respective performance levels Mattingly was simply a more productive, talented hitter. He was also a better fielder.
“Notice how Boras does this with all of his clients. He puts out seemingly two years and about $40 million more than what anyone expects to pay. Then when the price comes down, people think they’ve brought Boras to his knees – but its just the opposite.
When’s the last time this many clubs actively walked away from Boras during a negotiation, pulled offers or refused to increase bids?
I can’t remember a similar instance but I might just be forgetting how the negotiation for his clients go.
The market for Beltran was nothing like this. The bidding kept going up – Houston wanted him desperately.
Compare the way houston acted then to how the angels are acting now.
Perhaps this is going just as boras had hoped. But there’s been absolutely no explosion or spiraling in bidding at all.
Almost every team that’s in seems to have made perhaps one bid or at the most two and then froze their offer.
The angels made an opening offer and then pulled it and are supposedly out. They never went up on that initial offer.
If Boras isn’t getting teams to budge off their initial offers substantially neither he nor Tex are going to be happy. And quite frankly if he can’t get teams to up their initial offers by a lot – then he’s not doing his job very well.
Still a long way to go. But I don’t think this is how he hoped this would go. The economy is affecting the bidding on Tex and there’s no way they could have foreseen that or would have thought it would affect a guy of Tex’s stature.
Again – it’s early. We’ll see.
CB & GB7 – I’m sure that you both saw Mattingly much more than I did. And it was a different era (in terms of HRs).
We’re agreed that Mattingly was a wonderful player. But he’s not a HOFer, and I’m still not so sure that Texeira isn’t a comparable talent.
As a frame of reference, I always thought that Clemente was a smidgeon behind Mays and Aaron because he was more of a gap hitter. HRs do count, regardless of the era.
Thank goodness Brandon Jacobs is back.
Jacobs > Tex
Tex is comparable to mattingly. Their all around games are very similar. All I’m saying is that Mattingly was better and if you consider his age it really says a lot.
If you take any player at age 28 and compare him to another player at the age of 23, and the 23 year old was better – that’s saying something.
What we think of as Mattingly at the top of his game was a player who had his best years when he was younger than Robinson Cano is now.
And no mattingly isn’t even close to being a hall of famer. Didn’t last nearly long enough with the back.
Brian (Red Sox Fan)
December 21st, 2008 at 8:56 pm
CB & GB7 – I’m sure that you both saw Mattingly much more than I did. And it was a different era (in terms of HRs).
We’re agreed that Mattingly was a wonderful player. But he’s not a HOFer, and I’m still not so sure that Texeira isn’t a comparable talent.
As a frame of reference, I always thought that Clemente was a smidgeon behind Mays and Aaron because he was more of a gap hitter. HRs do count, regardless of the era.
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You’re right. Mattingly isn’t a HOFer, but, from 1987, whhe developedc carpal tunnel syndrom in his left hand, when he started losing a little of the drive on the ball, he was the best hitter in baseball. It was Kirby Puckett (who is no HOFer, either) that hung the “Dony Baseball” name on him. When his back went to hell in 1990, that was it. The power was gone and he became strictly an arm hitter.
The player I think of with Teixeira is Eddie Murray, just a better glove, but same kind of hitter.
***when he developed***
falcons are in the playoffs!!!!!!!
Manny versus Tex versus wait till next year= Alien versus Predator.
What does Manny offer the Yankees:
Pros: Great right handed bat
Cons: No defensive skills. Will be 37. Will not conform to team rules. Did not like the media spotlight in Boston. Forces Yankees to trade Matsui, eating good portion of his contract, or play him in RF, which would be a disaster. Boras client.
If you want NYY to sign Manny: Year to year deals with a termination “for cause” clause with 2 week severance pay.
What does Tex offer the Yankees:
Pros: Gold glove 1st base defense. Youth-29 yo. Switch hitter with good average and power from both sides. From all accounts according to John Schuerholtz is a great clubhouse presence.
Cons: Looking for 8-10 years, tying up a position where we could move one of our rapidly progressing minor leaguers in 2-4 years [possibly Laird or Montero-currently catchers]
Puts Swisher in corner outfield spot, not his best defensive position or either he or Nady is traded to keep Damon in LF.
If you want NYY to sign Tex: Tex has to instruct Boras that his ultimate desire is to play for us, will be willing to take less and also willing to be creative in the contract to make it easier on us to absorb his 2009 salary.
Signing Tex will have Angels picking 1st round, Brewers 2nd round and Toronto 3rd round.
Thoughts??
JETS SUCK SUCK SUCK
Forgot the most important reason to sign Tex over Manny- keeps the Red Sox from getting one of the two best hitters on the market, until Pujols becomes a Free Agent.
IF a bat is in such desperate need, isn’t this just the type of thing a team with a strong farm picks up at the trade deadline to make the final push?
1B/OF = ALWAYS available at the deadline. A little patience could pay off big time and definitly give payroll flexibility.
Besides, what if we don’t need it? What if Nady hits at a .330 clip like early last year? What if Melky turned a corner in the Winter Leagues? What if Posada, Cano and Matsui return to form? What if the Yankees got a deal on Swisher?
I think it wiser to let some of these things play out before we commit to a head case locker room cancer or ANOTHER long term $100 million contract.
According to MLBTR.Com, Chris Britton signed with The Padres.
Doesn’t say what happens to his Greyhound Road Reward miles.
Poor guy still gets no respect.
from MLBtraderumors: “What better place for a soft-tossing righty reliever to land than PETCO.”
And from th eSan Diego Union Tribune: “– The Padres expect reliever Chris Britton to compete for a seventh-inning role next season. At 278 pounds, the 6-foot-3 right-hander will be easily spotted.”
Forgot the most important reason to sign Tex over Manny- keeps the Red Sox from getting one of the two best hitters on the market, until Pujols becomes a Free Agent.
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Smart GMs don’t make nearly $200M business decisions just to keep him away from a rival.
That’s about the dumbest reason to make a deal.
From what I am hearing..
Tex is all about a done-deal for either Boston or Yankees by Xmas day.. if the Yankees are in for 8/170 he is ready but a big IF. I really don’t know what is going on at this point.. but Tex and Mrs. Tex have already told Scott that they want a deal by Xmas, no exceptions..
Don’t know if lower $$$ expectations falls into the no exceptions category or not.
Couple of things:
A) Tex is not going to Baltimore
B) Tex is not going to Washington
C) Tex is not going to LA
Where does that leave us? Where does that leave us if the Yankees don’t make a formal offer (which I don’t know if they did or not)
It means Boston is sitting pretty with the whole cake, and they are about to eat it too..
However, with knowledge around and inside that Georgia (Mrs. Tex) doesn’t want to be in Boston — or at least doesn’t prefer to be — where does that leave the Yankees?
It’s all very confusing.. but get ready! It’s about to pop.
He’s gonna end up in Boston because the Yanks have showed little interest the entire offseason, espeically after spending big money on Sabathia.
There were content in letting him go to the Red Sox last week without even making him an offer and the same will hold true this week.
Its a good bet that there will be someone available at the deadline for prospects.
I don’t think that the A’s are going to hold Holiday for the whole season. You never know who might be available when things start to shake out.
My hope is that the pitching keeps things interesting while we see what the offense does and if needed a bat is picked up at the deadline. Nady and Marte were picked up at a reasonable price.
“He’s gonna end up in Boston because the Yanks have showed little interest the entire offseason, espeically after spending big money on Sabathia.”
Think?
Or do you think Cash had a plan since he first met with Tex?
No more bus trips for Chris Britton, the Padres’ AAA affiliate is in Portland. Welcome to the Alaska Airline frequent flier club, Chris!
Wow, this football game got great. Let’s win in OT!
P.S. There is a lot more than just “little interest” going on in Tampa. As well as Darien.
BOOOOOOOOM!!!
Giants break through
My brother wants Manny.
My sister doesn’t care.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was big! Now my niece and nephews get Christmas presents.
RE-PEAT
Lost in Tex-is:
you have a reliable source? where are you getting that info?
OMG
This Giants game took out 10 years of my life!
WOW!
I love this team
That was fun…
There was a report that the Yankees did have an offer to Teixeira, it is thought that the offer was withdrawn. The main point though, is it was not reported until just today.
The Angels have moved on from him, this after a report a couple of days ago that Teixeira was eliminating teams from consideration. The Nationals also are reporting that they don’t believe they will sign Teixeira.
I think this is Cashman working to make sure they don’t bid against themselves and over pay for him.
Teixeira could have tipped his desires to the other teams in the bidding. Its possible that he knows of both the Yankees and the Red Sox desire for him, just those two teams in will give him his high payday.
This is going to be interesting over the next couple of days. Teixeira is a real firstbaseman, just like Cash said he wanted. Upgrade defense and brings in a bat. He would be a nice fit in pinstripes.
BTW, that Giants game was a lot of fun to watch. Hey, maybe the Yankees can sign Ward.
Texiera vs Swisher – TEX
Texiera vs Giambi – TEX
Texiera vs Ensberg – TEX
Texiera vs Millar – TEX
Texiera vs Morneau – Morneau
Texiera vs Pena – Push
Texiera vs D. Lee – Push
Texiera vs Youk – Ugly guy
Texiera vs AdrianG – AG
vs Miggy C – MIGGY
vs Prince – FIELDER
vs Howard – HOWARD
vs Pujols – PUJOLS
vs Berkman – BERKMAN
10 yrs 200 million sure where do i sign? Make sure there’s some room left for Mark in Monument park mmkay?
All of us should be ashamed of ourselves for even entertaining this charade especially those of you so desperate that you’ve brought the mans wife into this as if she’s some kind of leverage device you can rest your dilusions on.
Oh his wife likes shopping at Barneys…
He’s OURS!!!
Jackasses all of you.
that game was craZy!! I seriously thought the Giants would loose for sure.
Think?
Or do you think Cash had a plan since he first met with Tex?
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Yeah, I do.
As of last night, the only contact the Yanks have made with Teixeira’s people was initiated by Boras both times (the meeting with them the night before the Winter Meetings began and last week when Boras called Cashman after Theo and Co. were headed to Texas to meet with them).
Both times it was obvious that Boras wanted the Yanks involved a lot more than they wanted to be involved.
I don’t doubt that the people in Tampa want Teixeira. But Cashman is the GM and Hal must trust him enough to have signed him to a three-year extension just a couple of months ago.
Cashman has also said repeatedly that they are going to cut payroll.
Now I have no doubt that Boras will come back to the Yanks once the Red Sox make their final offer – but I don’t expect them to bite.
here’s how i see the tex thing, for what it’s worth. my guess is cash thought that the angels and boston would be in it to the end, and he could just drive up years/money and cripple an an opponent with a superstar contract for a good player. now that, as cb eloquently puts it, the tables have turned. boras lost a lot of leverage. the yankees might be able to do one huge thing here, blow the other offers out of the water in terms of aav, not years. 4/90 or 5/115. tell tex he can then go and get another huge contract at 34/35. tell him to look at manny and see how hard it is at 37/38.
it’s about flexibility
oh yeah, Giants are back
Mrs Texiera… a little frustrated with life these days?
So Atlanta has a chance to get the #2 seed in the NFC?
This is all too confusing and I am too tired.
You shouldn’t after that GREAT Game, but if you need more football, ESPN is in overtime …. University of Favre (Southern Miss) vs. Troy.
Oh, and this is REAL overtime btw, where everyone gets a chance … more like baseball, it’s the top of the first, Troy has last licks (aka defense first)
“Texiera vs Swisher – TEX
Texiera vs Giambi – TEX
Texiera vs Ensberg – TEX
Texiera vs Millar – TEX
Texiera vs Morneau – Morneau
Texiera vs Pena – Push
Texiera vs D. Lee – Push
Texiera vs Youk – Ugly guy
Texiera vs AdrianG – AG
vs Miggy C – MIGGY
vs Prince – FIELDER
vs Howard – HOWARD
vs Pujols – PUJOLS
vs Berkman – BERKMAN”
I’m confused, is this a pro-Teixeira or anti-Teixeira argument?
Great football game.
It’s a definite guarantee when playing the Giants, win or loss, that you’re gonna be hurtin’ real bad afterwards.
The O-line is back!
Yes, the Falcons can still do that if they win and the Panthers lose next week (I think). Falcons will host the Lambs, Panthers will be at New Orleans. Advantage: Atlanta.
Giants will be at Minny, playing for nothing.
Hey, if the Angels are really out of the Tex sweepstakes, maybe they should go after the great free agent pitcher who wants to play on the west coast. Oh wait, too late! He’s already signed with the Yankees! Maybe Cashman really does know what he’s doing.
That was an AWESOME football game.
Smash mouth, hardnosed game. Exciting.
Yankees sign Manny? Per MLBTR -
According to a report in the Dominican newspaper Impacto Deportivo, the Yankees are on the verge of signing Manny Ramirez to a three-year, $75MM deal. They say negotiations are advanced and an announcement would take place Monday or Tuesday. If true, this would be an incredible scoop. However there is reason for skepticism.
mlbtraderumors.com
I wish *we* had someone with sources down in the D.R.
i’ll believe it when i see it…
Oh boy sit down for this one
http://www.impactodeportivo.co.....ormat=html
According to this the Yankees have advance talks w/ Manny Ramirez and he is set to sign a 3 yr. 75 million dollar contract, an official announcement is expected as early as Monday or Tuesday.
Hey I said to watch the USM/Troy game
USM kicked a field goal in the first overtime to go up 30-27. Then Troy had a 28 yard attempt – BLOCKED – GAME OVER
On the Manny Report – I don’t see the Yankees opening the bidding at 3/75 – he has ZERO other offers that we know of, why would the Yankees go so high right off the bat?
Brandon – How reliable is that site?
And the Yankees won’t sign Manny until after someone signs Teix because if the Angels are out, you have to assume the Red Sox are in the lead, if that’s the case the Yankees have to at least pretend to be interested to drive the price up as high as possible on the Sox
i should probably get around to that Rosetta Stone Spanish course i’ve been putting off for the past year. It’s times like this when i need it.
“On the Manny Report – I don’t see the Yankees opening the bidding at 3/75 – he has ZERO other offers that we know of, why would the Yankees go so high right off the bat?”
if the Yankees are serious, they may be putting in a quick bid ahead of any possible Angels bid. Knowing Boras, he won’t want to sign yet. He wants Tex to sign to set the market for Manny and get the Dodgers and Angels in the bidding. Highly skeptical of this rumor… though if Manny told Boras he wants to be in NY (even if it’s not necessarily the most $$$) then it’s possible.
If the Yanks *do* sign Manny, the Sox have to up their bid for Tex, don’t they? I think they do.
go to mlbtraderumors.com
they list some of the other predictions/rumors from impacto deportivo. they’ve messed up before but have also had some good reports.
That paper is notoriously unreliable. I’m not saying they’re right or wrong this time, I have no idea. I’m just saying they’ve been known to make stuff up.
Didn’t that site report the Marte extension before the American media did?
“Brandon – How reliable is that site?”
1 – 10 I’d say about an 8 especially when they speak about latino ball players.
A look at Impacto Deportivo’s recent history:
* 11/24/08: Reported the Braves as the mystery team in on Rafael Furcal, offering four years and $52MM. The offer was inaccurate, but they did nail the mystery team.
* 11/12/08: Correctly scooped the Damaso Marte signing.
* 2/21/08: Incorrectly indicated the White Sox reached an agreement with Bartolo Colon. Also incorrect on a similar rumor involving the Royals.
* 1/21/08: Correctly scooped the Octavio Dotel signing.
* 11/18/07: Correctly scooped the Luis Castillo signing.
Madness in 3….2….1 KABOOM!
Pete Abe vs. Brandon, get the popcorn.
That was the same paper that said Manny would consider retirement because he wasn’t happy with his offers, right?
That’s a bunch of baloney. I don’t believe that Manny report for a minute.
I wouldn’t read too much into that Impacto Deportivo story. They’ve been wrong several times before as they try to scoop stories.
I also find it strange that so many stories are now being leaked about Manny going to the yankees by sources such as the one Feinsand cited – a friend of Manny’s telling him that Manny expected a three year deal.
It also seems strange that this story should leak on the night that the Angels pull out of the Tex bidding. Many people think the Angels could now turn to focus on Manny. It would be helpful to Manny if it seemed like he was deep in negotiations with another team.
It could happen. But it’s still seems very early for Manny to sign with anyone – nevermind at that price.
He’s unlikely to sign before Teixeira is.
Kat O’Brien and Dan Graziano both reported today that the yankees are still discussing whether or not to put in an offer on Tex.
O’Brien’s story from this evening said the following:
“The Yankees continue to have internal debate about whether they think the switch-hitting first baseman is worth that amount of money to them, particularly after signing CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett.
Team co-chairman Hal Steinbrenner said late last week that the team had not ruled out making an offer to Teixeira. The Angels’ backing out could affect the Yankees’ thinking.”
The yankees seem very unlikely to rush into anything with Manny while the market for Tex continues to change so rapidly from day to day.
There’s no rush for Manny as there simply is no market for him at this time.
This Impacto Deportivo story could be a leak from Manny’s camp to dispel the growing image that there was simply no team that wanted Manny right now and that he had no offers on the table at all.
We’ll see but this seems much too convenient.
“they list some of the other predictions/rumors from impacto deportivo. they’ve messed up before but have also had some good reports.”
The Bartolo Colon example they have is a poor one, it said possibility of Colon signing w/ KC or CHI, but that site when it comes to latino big name players they are pretty accurate.
I don’t buy it.
1. Why would Boras allow Manny to sign before Teixeria signs? Once Tex signs, teams like the Nats/Angels will jump into the Manny bid and who knows? Maybe some desperate team comes in and makes an outrageous offer. Why would he let him sign so quickly?
2. Why would the Yankees bid against themselves like that, when there is currently no offer on the table (except the 2 yr deal the Dodgers retracted)?
I smell BS
CB,
the timing is indeed curious. I’m sure the media will eat this up tomorrow though.
Dominican media…I love this time of year.
This hot stove season has definitely kept me entertained. I just need to hold out through January and before you know it, pitchers and catchers will be reporting to Tampa.
“He’s unlikely to sign before Teixeira is.”
Unless…because people are dropping out on Tex, Boras may try to move Manny first so the Angels/Nats know Manny is no longer a fallback option and re-engage which could then drive Tex’s price up. That’s the beauty and the curse of 1 agent representing both of them.
Brandon,
Rafael Furcal just blatantly used that paper to try to up his price when he was negotiating with Oakland.
Furcal never even came remotely close to getting any offers for $52M. That’s what the mystery bid Impacto Deportivo was reporting.
I’m not saying it’s a bad paper or anything as I don’t know it well.
But it’s very clear that just as with papers in the states – ball players are using it to leak stories preferable to them.
That story last week in the News about Manny being depressed about having no offers and sitting at home playing video games while contemplating retirement did zero to help Manny. It just made him seem unwanted and kind of pathetic.
Now this week there a parade of stories about manny going to the yankees – at least one of which was leaked by one of manny’s friends to Feinsand (what a source – a friend of manny…)
I’m not buying this. But we’ll see.
“Unless…because people are dropping out on Tex, Boras may try to move Manny first so the Angels/Nats know Manny is no longer a fallback option and re-engage which could then drive Tex’s price up. That’s the beauty and the curse of 1 agent representing both of them.”
very interesting point Pat (assuming there is any truth whatsoever to this rumor)
I’m not pro Tex or anti Tex.
From reading various reports – here is what I find confusing.
One camp says Tex is the perfect Boras client. He’ll hold out for the most money – will be patient and let Boras do his thing.
The other camp says Tex wants to be signed by Christmas. (this Thursday!)
It can’t work both ways.
“Rafael Furcal just blatantly used that paper to try to up his price when he was negotiating with Oakland.”
Yup he did, he played it smart, he also lied to Braves acting like he didn’t know what was going on, CB scale of 1 – 10 they are 8 and I don’t want to see Manny in NY either but there is reason to believe it is set to happen.
Texting with my brother after the Giants game, his take is one some of you agree with, I think. I asked him if he’d like to see the Yanks sign Manny, Tex, or neither:
“manny of course, minus the locker room drama”
“if not manny then neither, screw Texiera overpriced nobody”
“I hope the sox get texiera so I can hate them more”
I find it hard to believe that Boras would even attempt to get Manny signed without getting Tex done first.
Doesnt make sense.
“Why would Boras allow Manny to sign before Teixeria signs? ”
He won’t. Boras was making unsolicited phone calls to Cashman two days ago to try to get him to bid on Tex.
And now two days after Boras is trying to get the Yanks to bid on Tex Boras has manny close to signed with the yanks?
That makes no sense.
If manny signs now boras loses incredible leverage over the sox with Tex.
His best and possible only chance to get Tex a truly exorbitant deal is to scare the sox into believing that the yankees are in on tex.
The yanks sign manny now – they are out of tex and tex’s market absolutely collapses now that the angels are out.
There’s no way boras would want manny signed to the yankees right now. That would cut Tex’s knees right from under him.
And in the pantheon of boras clients there’s no comparison between manny and Tex. Tex has been with boras as one of this prize clients since he was 18.
Tex turned down 1.5M from the sox when he was 18 and went to college because boras told him to.
And now boras is going to ruin tex’s leverage? They’ve probably been discussing Tex on the market for the last 6 years and now in order to help manny he’s going to wipe out tex’s market?
That seems like a stretch.
This Manny rumor may have some legs.
During he last two days, Boras and Cash were talking and they must have come to help each other.
If Manny signs with Yanks, Boston will have pressure from their fans to sign Tex at all costs. Also, Angels will rethink their position about Tex, as Manny will not be a fallback. Boras must have assured of Manny to Yanks for $25/Mil for three years and leaked the news thru DR paper.
The truth will come out in the next couple of days.
Yanks never wanted to spend $200mil on Tex and they were prepared for a short term contract for Manny.
In three years, someone like Montero will be ready for 1B. Also, after three years we need DH for the likes of Jeter and A-Rod. It will work out well.
Here’s the translation via, google translate:
“The Dominican Manny Ramírez is on the verge of signing a contract for three years and $ 75 million with the New York Yankees, as entrusted to Impactodeportivo.com.do this Sunday.
Negotiations are well advanced and close on Monday and Tuesday would be made the official announcement.
Manny wanted to follow the Dodgers, but Los Angeles did not want to loose the ticket.
Ramirez, who batted .332 with 37 home runs and 121 towed between Boston and the Dodgers, will be an attraction in New York.”
I always find these translations to be hilarious
New post by Pete. Also I have a scoop – of ice cream. The secret is that Boras is secretly working with Cash so he can sign both Tex AND Manny.
Nick in SF
“Overpriced Nobody” HAH!!
I like your brother.
Knuckler
December 22nd, 2008 at 12:11 am
I don’t buy it.
1. Why would Boras allow Manny to sign before Teixeria signs? Once Tex signs, teams like the Nats/Angels will jump into the Manny bid and who knows? Maybe some desperate team comes in and makes an outrageous offer. Why would he let him sign so quickly?
2. Why would the Yankees bid against themselves like that, when there is currently no offer on the table (except the 2 yr deal the Dodgers retracted)?
I smell BS
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why would the yankees bid against themselves????
that is the funniest thing i’ve heard in a while.they do that with every single player.
this is why boston has a better team & a 120 million dollar payroll compared to the yankees 185 million.
Good Job.