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Pettitte could be the odd man out

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 23, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

After speaking to several different people this evening, it appears the arrival of Mark Teixeira could mean the departure of Andy Pettitte.

Pettitte has been sitting on a $10 million offer from the Yankees for a while now, believing he deserves a salary closer to the $16 million he made last season. But unless the Yankees are able to trade one of their extra hitters, there may be no room for Pettitte.

Signing Teixeira and fellow free agents Damaso Marte, A.J. Burnett and CC Sabathia will add roughly $65 million to the payroll in 2009. That’s about $20 million less than the Yankees have coming off from 2008 and they would like to keep it that way.

Meanwhile, the Yankees have no intention of using Nick Swisher in center field. While they consider him at least an average corner outfielder, they do not like his play in center. Joe Girardi is also on the record as saying he would prefer not to use Johnny Damon in center.

While a very good left fielder, Damon has slipped in center. The Yankees also have concerns about whether his legs could handle the demands of playing there full time.

Damon, Swisher, Hideki Matsui and Xavier Nady have varying degrees of trade value. Much of Damon’s value comes in his ability to hit first, something the Yankees would not want to surrender. They gave up a top prospect (Jose Tabata) to get Nady, so parting with him would be difficult.

That could make Matsui and Swisher the best candidates. Or maybe they’ll just sign Pettitte and keep all the hitters. What’s another $10 million at this point? But as of tonight, the team seemed prepared to move on without the left-hander.

Finally, while the Yankees lose their first three draft picks (to the Angels, Brewers and Blue Jays respectively), keep in mind that they still have a first-round and second-round pick as compensation for not signing Gerrit Cole and Scott Bittle. Those were protected.

 
 

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248 Responses to “Pettitte could be the odd man out”

  1. Mark (Brett is back) December 23rd, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    I am kind of shocked Cash would take a minor league deal, you would think some bad team could sign him to be a guarenteed backup.

  2. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Re: Trading Matsui

    He’s the most likely to be moved since Swisher and Nady are in their primes and fit into the long term strategy. Matsui will be gone in 1 year anyways.

    Damon’s needed for his leadoff ability.

  3. yankees 09 December 23rd, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    YANKEES SIGNED KEVIN CASH TO A MINOR LEAGUE DEAL 3 CATCHERS??????

  4. Clint December 23rd, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    We need grinders like Swisher in the lineup. The guy led the league last year in pitches per PA. He is an OBP machine, a switch hitter, and has a ton of power. He is versatile and under control for 3 more years. We have no outfielders under contract after this year.

    Swisher adds more value and fits what we want to do– grind it out, get on base, wear pitchers out with patience.

    Moving Nady is such a no brainer. He is a FA after this year and has no long term future with us. He would also bring back the most.

  5. Baja December 23rd, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    I was just outside, and if I listened very closely, I could hear the collective moaning of the rest of baseball through the wind.

    I love that sound.

    I also heard my gut say that Andy will be back.

  6. yankeefan91 December 23rd, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    wow is this the best offseason everrrrrrrrrrrrrr i wish swish stays here trade matssui and sign pettite for 12million

  7. Mark (Brett is back) December 23rd, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Maybe we should have signed Varitek to a minor league deal. I thought Tex and Tek were a package deal haha.

  8. Sundin December 23rd, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Serves Pettitte right he became to greedy. Yanks payed him very well over the years & defended him after the Mitchell Report and still he didn’t want to take a discount after a bad year last year. I’m all for open competition for that pitching spot in spring training from Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves or Coke.

  9. Pete December 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    I think Andy will be back too – the new Stadium beckons.

    Something tells me he’s just waiting until after the holidays so he can spend time with the fam.

  10. Tim December 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    I really, really don’t know why this team has to trade one of the OF’s.. they finally have some depth, you know Damon and Matsui will be on the DL at some point during the season and the Yanks have no one in the minors ready to step up. They finally have some depth and the makings of a good bench. I don’t get it. I see Swisher as a nice option off the bench, and he can play lots of different positions. If we a good bat in the minors it would be different but we don’t. Let the team be for now and see how Spring Training plays out.

  11. ANSKY December 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Pete, man … you seem to start start new threads when I’m typing!

    From the last one:

    Bat Tiexiera behind A-Rod. Bat Cano third and hope he’s over the total brain slump of last year.

    Damon LF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    A-Rod 3B
    Tiexiera 1B (yeah that sounds good)
    Matsui DH
    Posada C (lets hope)
    Nady RF
    Cabrera/Gardner CF

    Maybe having A-Rod & Tiexiera hitting immediately behind him will get Cano more pitches and also more confidence to be patient. Time to step up Robbie … if the .340 Robbie shows up and is patient enough to take some walks, there are tons of runs to be scored with them 4 bats following him. TONS.

    Dang ….

  12. 40 time December 23rd, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Kind of cold hearted to trade Swisher after introducing him via conference call and hearing how excited he sounded.

  13. Vader December 23rd, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Pete,

    Don’t talk to soon, I wouldn’t be surprised if Pettitte was under the Christmas Tree too.

    I was also at the game on Sunday, we left in the middle of the third when it started to rain…I also rode Cassel to a Fantasy Super Bowl victory.

    Have Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

  14. Tim December 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    The worst thing that the Yankees can do now is starting cutting corners and not have any depth when someone gets hurt, its insane!

  15. Ward December 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Yes… trade a 28 year old versatile player with 30 HR power and .380 OBP skill in order to keep an average player like Xavier Nady who is gone after this year anyway.

    I thought Cashman wanted to get away from being short sighted.

  16. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Trading Matsui makes the most sense for the Yankees, even if they have to pay part of his salary, consider it a dump.

  17. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Re: Nady

    Yankees didn’t trade Jose Tabata for 2 years of Nady.

    He hit over .300 last year.

    Can’t get fair value for a Boras client entering his contract year.

  18. john December 23rd, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Think money for one year of Pettite isn’t an issue here. Hughes is the longer term option as the 5th starter and Joba has to prove he’s ready for a full season. How does one year of Pettite not make the most sense for stability and shed that extra payroll next year? Let’s face it the Tex move was forward thinking and spending a bit to keep Andy would be the same as far as I am concerned. Sheding anything is trading Matsui or Nady since both would be gone at the end of next year anyway. Why trade Swisher who is younger, works counts, under a reasonable and controllable contract, can play a few different spots and is a stable piece to have over next few years when they have 3 OF hitting free agency next year?? You move one of those guys first.

  19. TeKNetiCK December 23rd, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Isin’t the idea to keep the best players?

    Why would you keep Nady over Swisher or Matsui? Especially when you consider that Nady is the easiest to move and the guy who we can most afford to lose.

    Matsui when healthy is a .290/25/90 guy with a high OBP
    Swisher is a guy with great power, switch hits, and is a walk machine.

    Trading either to accommodate Nady is not really a smart idea.

  20. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    Re: Risk of Damon in CF

    If Damon’s in CF, his risk of injury skyrockets. What happens when you lose your leadoff hitter? He needs to be the LF or the DH even.

    Matsui’s the odd man out.

    We have big bats but Damon’s speed is rare on this team.

  21. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Re: Nady vs. Matsui

    Nady hit over .300 last year. Matsui can’t even play the field.

  22. Garym December 23rd, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Yeah it will be interesting to see who goes. I think Matsui is the most likely to go and I could see Nady going. I dont think Swish will go. Maybe the Yankees trade Kennedy, Melky, package guys like that. Who knows with them but it is nice to have some depth also for once.

  23. TGFizeek December 23rd, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    At the Boston Globe site, under the article Tex to the Yankees, there is a link simply titled “vent here.” Over 1,000 comments and reading each one is like opening a new Christmas present.
    GOD BLESS THE YANKEES!

  24. Sundin December 23rd, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Trade Matsui the Angels, Mariners, Dodgers or maybe the Cubs would be a great fit for him. If they are trying to reduce payroll why would they trade Nady he will not be making that much this year and he had some clutch hits. Get rid of Matsui the yankees will be much younger than they aging team the last couple past years. Trading Nady or Swisher would be foolish.

  25. No Limit December 23rd, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Nady hit .268 for the Yankees, he started off hot then cooled off considerably. The AL figured him out.. he has too many holes in his swing.

    Take his Pittsburgh numbers with a grain of salt. That is not the player he is.

  26. David December 23rd, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Pete may be right that the Yanks won’t get rid of Nady because they gave up Tabata for him. However, that’s not sound strategic thinking. The loss of Tabata is a sunk cost. The Yanks should consider their alternatives going forward, ignoring what it cost them to obtain Nady.

  27. Irabu's Son December 23rd, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    I agree with Tim. Keep them all and let the 4 of them (Matsui, Nady, Swisher, Matsui, Damon) share 3 spots (LF, RF, DH). You’ll ALWAYS have a bat off the bench or to match up, you keep everyone fresh (especially Damon and Matsui), etc.

    Plus keep in mind, Swisher and Nady can both play 1B if, knock on wood, something happens to Teixeira or he needs a day off.

  28. Joe December 23rd, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Nady can’t even sign Matsui’s shoes.

    Nady hit .268 for the Yankees BTW

  29. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Re: Nady

    Hit .300 in 2008. Full season of .300. Younger and more versatile than Matsui. Matsui will be gone in 1 year anyways and he can’t play the field.

  30. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Re: Nady

    Hit .300 in 2008. Full season of .300. Younger and more versatile than Matsui. Matsui will be gone in 1 year anyways and he can’t play the field.

  31. AROD fan December 23rd, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    WHAT GM is going to trade anything even mediocre to the Yankees at this point?

    Some GM: Hmmm… Looks like the Yankees would prefer to replace their mediocre overpriced corner outfielders/DH types with all the best FAs on the market. I’ve got a really good CF here. Why don’t I just help them with their Championship goals, send them this good CF, and mop up all their overpriced corner OF/DH’s.

    Owner of Some GM’s team: Great thinking Some GM! Here is a HUGE X-Mas bonus for all your creative ideas!

  32. teddy December 23rd, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    yea they resigned andy and not go after cameron. i hoe brett can stop to a decent offensive numbers. his defensive skills and speed are great. i would put nick in rf and trade nady, he has the highest value and swisher the better player

  33. Mike December 23rd, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Matsui has no-trade protection. Move Nady, hes a bum in RF.

  34. Jack Bauer December 23rd, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    They’re going to need Swisher after this year, when all of our OFers are free agents. Nady is a Boras client and will be 31 after next season. Swisher will come in handy next year. Not wise to trade him.

  35. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Re: Nady in his prime

    Makes no sense to trade players in their prime. Tex is in his prime. CC is in his prime. AJ in his prime just barely. Swisher in his prime. Nady in his prime.

    See the pattern?

  36. Vader December 23rd, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    These are all great problems to have.

    All I have to say is that Cashman and the Yankees gave me some nice early Christmas presents…so with I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holiday.

  37. Dan December 23rd, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Arod Fan most Gms look at what will help THEIR team except if the other team is in their division

  38. Wilson December 23rd, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Matsui is a DH on a bum knee and makes $13 million dollars. He also has a full NTC and will probably want compensation to waive it.

    He is not movable at all unless the Yankees want to pick up some or all of his salary.

  39. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    The funniest thing is their GM backed away and announced the world he was doing so. Why be mad at the Yankees, be mad at your GM. I also love how they act like a small market team, like their team never ever spent money on anyone. Um Dice K anyone?

  40. AROD fan December 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    No Limit
    December 23rd, 2008 at 10:53 pm
    Nady hit .268 for the Yankees, he started off hot then cooled off considerably. The AL figured him out.. he has too many holes in his swing.
    Take his Pittsburgh numbers with a grain of salt. That is not the player he is.

    I obviously don’t have the swing analyzation skills that you do. Could you explain what specfic holes he has in his swing?

  41. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Wilson, Matsui would not hold the Yankees back from trading him.

  42. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Re: Matsui vs. Cameron

    Cameron was movable. So is Matsui.

  43. Wiseman December 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    ONE OF MUST GO TO SAVE $’s AND TRIM ROSTER:
    Matsui – No Trade Clause and bad Knees – $13MM
    Nady – $6MM Salary – 1 year deal
    Swisher – $22MM left on 3 year deal
    Damon – Partial No Trade – Atlanta has been rumored to want him – $13MM

    I think Swisher is gone. Their was a lot of teams who had called the Sox about him. His salary is reasonable and he can play 3 positions. Swisher was brought in to play 1B and RF. Nady can play RF and Tex will play 1B. The Yanks can get some young Talent for Swisher and not have to eat $’s. He would seem like the odd man out, BUT Matsui should be, but can’t go!

  44. AROD fan December 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Dan

    How does trading anything good to the Yanks help any team?

  45. t-rock December 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Nobody is touching Swisher’s contract. He makes $5 million this year, $6.5 million in 2010, and $9 million in 2011.

    Nobody is paying that for a .219 hitter. Thats why we were able to get him for Betemit and some minor league scrubs.

    Matsui isin’t easy to move either considering he is only a DH and has a No-trade clause.

  46. NITRO December 23rd, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Doesn’t it kind of defeat the purpose if we have to pick up salary, like we’re going to have to do to move Swisher, Damon, or Matsui?

    Nady is effortless to move and the most expendable.

  47. Dan December 23rd, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Wow are people really this dumb

  48. Mike December 23rd, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Trade Options:

    Matsui NO – No trade protection/2 bum knees/would have to eat salary

    Swisher NO – Just traded for him and under contract past 2009 season.

    Damon NO – Unless you can find a leadoff hitter, the Yankees need Damon

    Nady Yes – Because reasons for keeping Nady are not as good for keeping the other guys.

  49. Tim the Enchanter December 23rd, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    Trade Matsui for Roy Halladay.

    (Just thought I’d get the trade garage started)

    Andy will be back…I know this as fact.

  50. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    So when do we get to unwrap tex?

  51. Sevrx December 23rd, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    So now we have people trying to explain to us how Nady is better than Matsui?

    Do some of you watch the games or just play fantasy baseball?

  52. Welcome to NY Tex!! December 23rd, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    I don’t think that the Yanks would do that to Pettitte. I think that they will trade Nady or Swisher and use some of the money to sign Pettitte. If he wants to stop acting like a baby and just take their offer already. If they don’t sign Pettitte then they would be adding Hughes into the rotation and I don’t think they are ready to do that. It would also be risky and doesn’t leave them with any insurance. Joba can’t pitch the whole season, Burnett’s health history and then Hughes. That is 3 spots in the rotation that could have holes that could give them problems. With the history that Pettitte has with the team I could not see Cash doing that to him. But I also think that after the new year Cash will give him a deadline and say they need to know is he taking the offer or not.

  53. X-Mann December 23rd, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Matsui isin’t going to approve a trade to the Royals or Twins

    You need to probably find a West Coast team to trade him to.

  54. Dan December 23rd, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    NAdy just has better chance to get traded

  55. sunny615 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    From previous post RE: Trading Matsui

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....ent-625850

    CB
    December 23rd, 2008 at 10:43 pm
    Matsui has a not trade protection. He also has negative trade value at this point.

    If you have to eat $10M to move him what is the point.

    Matsui could be a very important advantage at the DH slot – if healthy he’ll put up an .825-850 OPS. That’s very valuable.

    The position players are mostly set now – they can afford to concentrate resources on having the best DH possible.

    If they are going for the jugular this year I don’t think they should be in a hurry to move any of these guys.

    Why? Say they trade Nady and then Gardner and Melky flop and they are forced to move swisher or damon to CF.

    They are still an older team in several spots. Guys like Nady and Swisher give them flexibility and depth.

    *listen to CB people*

  56. Oddessy December 23rd, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    As others have mentioned, we have no outfielders under contract past this season. That’s where Swisher comes in. We can just plug him into one of the corners after this year rather than look for 3 new outfielders. Nady isin’t going to be back after this year anyway.

  57. Joan December 23rd, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    I don’t understand why you guys want to trade someone already when we have an amazing roster right now.

  58. Dan December 23rd, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Truth he does his best to report new so you know whats going on so if u dont like it go read someone else

  59. petriev December 23rd, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    The St Louis Cards want Andy bad.I think it’s the Yankees or
    the Dodgers only.

  60. alvaro_espinoza's_hipster_frames December 23rd, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    i would trade nady too.. the mets really want him back.

    that’s a fun game. who do we ask for in exchange for nady?

  61. Z (sign Sheets) December 23rd, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Matsui is severely, severely underrated on here.

    Yeah, let’s give away a 25 HR/100 RBI guy with a .850 OPS and high OBP and a proven clutch hitter to accommodate the immortal Xavier Nady.

    And let’s eat most of his salary too in addition to giving him away.

  62. Forntoso December 23rd, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Trade Nady to the Mets for JJ Putz

  63. Phil December 23rd, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    They’ll probably trade Nady. He doesn’t fit with the OBP model they are getting back to and some teams really like him. Matsui will be harder to move.

  64. CB December 23rd, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Repost…

    “Matsui hitting fifth is going to be a thing of beauty……”

    Pat M.,

    Going into the seaon Matsui will be one of the 5 best DH’s in the league. They are not going to trade an .825-.850 OPS bat to create a hole in the order for no reason.

    You still have to have fingers crossed for posada – he gets hurt and then it’s molina the black hole. Say Cano doens’t bounce back. Or damon gets hurt.

    Getting tex if they could fit it in the budget was a move you had to make.

    But one of the biggest reason they needed another bat – any bat – was that there was too much risk in the line up. To many if’s that had to pan out for the team to score.

    You don’t add Tex and then start weakening your depth when you have all of those question marks. That would defeat part of the advantage Tex gives you as a team.

    I also don’t see Matsui getting traded. But it will be discussed a lot. If Jorge gets hurt and they trade Matsui they’ll have no bat behind Alex and they’ll be back in a fix again.

  65. David December 23rd, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    First, let’s see who is healthy at the end of Spring Training before we worry about too many OFs. If nothing else, the Yankees could have one hell of a bench player in Swisher/Nady.

    Nady is a RH batter who can mash lefties. That is something the Yankees have not been able to do for 3 or 4 years.

    Swisher does not like to take the bat off his shoulder. Before anyone brags about his great OBP, look at the stats. More K’s than walks, more K’s than hits. Last season he left 37% of he plate appearances up to the umpire!

    Teams figured out last season that you can throw hard down the middle and retire the Yankees fast. Swisher only adds to that problem.

    Pete, do you really think they Yankees are worried about $10M if it means another lefty starter. Have you been paying attention this offseason? I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cameron deal gets done now. Cashman seems to like the idea of giving his prospects some development time, and Cameron would be great for that.

    Here’s another idea…Hairston Jr. for the bench (or even CF if they can’t do better)

  66. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Re: Trading Matsui

    “If you have to eat $10M to move him what is the point.”

    What?

    If Cameron is movable at 10 mil per then so is Matsui.

    The Yankees don’t have enough speed on this team to risk injury to Damon by putting him in CF.

    Swisher and Nady are both cheap and in their prime.

  67. alvaro_espinoza's_hipster_frames December 23rd, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    oh.. are we not doing that anymore?

  68. pat December 23rd, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Feinsand on SNY- Tex may have gravitated to NY so he did not have to carry the highest paid player spotlight he would have been carrying in Boston and points beyond.

    This seems to be a recurring theme in the free agent signings this year. Seems to me that the players want the money but they also want the shadow A-Rod and Jeter throw to protect them from being the target of fans and the media. If you take the cash, you should be willing to take the heat.

  69. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    The music will stop and Manny won’t have a seat. I bet the Mets swoop in and get him at a bargain rate.

  70. Mike December 23rd, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    Damon in Left, Melky/Brett in CF and Nady in Right. You know what was rediculous about the ’98 team? Strawberry hit over 20 home runs off the bench and Homer Bush did his thing too. Have Swisher off the bench and starting him occasionally too isnt such a bad idea

  71. George December 23rd, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    Just keep them all, let them battle in Spring Training.

  72. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    yankee ray who is the call through?

  73. Tim the Enchanter December 23rd, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    Andy is coming back….and enough of this “Andy owes the Yankees because of the PED issue” from last year. He pitched hurt in the 2nd half of the season…not because he was stubborn, but because they had no one else to turn to. We only had 87 different pitchers start in the last 2 years.

  74. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Re: If Posada can’t throw

    Where does he go? DH? I think so.

    Matsui is the odd man out.

  75. YankeeJosh December 23rd, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    I wouldn’t have a huge problem if the Yanks didn’t sign Pettitte and let Aceves/Kennedy/Hughes battle for the fifth spot. If Joba’s pencilled in as the $5 starter because of innings restrictions, you only need a decent #4. Andy is perfect but imo Hughes is ready. Having a great top 3 allows leverage at the bottom of the rotation.

    1. CC
    2. Wang
    3. Burnett
    4. Hughes/Kennedy/Aceves/scrapheap pitcher
    5. Joba

    That’s still an impressive rotation with 4 very tough pitchers and the potential for 5 if Hughes is what we think he is.

  76. George December 23rd, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Brett,

    Cameron’s only market was the Yankees. No other teams are even in on him. And even the Yankees wanted MIL to pay some of his salary.

    Bad example.

  77. CB December 23rd, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    “Matsui is severely, severely underrated on here.”

    Very true. I’ve always been surprised by that. Yankee fans really lose perspective on how good an average MLB player is an how much better Matsui is than that average player.

    Nady is a league average player – very valuable thing to have. And people think he’s bad.

    They’re going to bring back Pettite, IMO. And I don’t think they are going to make any trade unless it makes sense. They are not going to dump players for salary reasons.

  78. Welcome to NY Tex!! December 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    No one is going to take Matsui and his $13m salary coming off of knee surgery. Nady can make as much as $7m in arbitration, and is a free agent after this season…he will not be back. No one is touching Swisher’s contract either. Damon is not going anywhere they need him to lead off and his speed. Nady is the most attractive and likely one to go.

  79. Rock Smoother December 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    We need Andy back Pete….

    Honestly if they don’t get Andy back all these moves mean jack to me.

    Andy’s agents need to back off and Andy needs to jump on the offer now.

    But the Yankees would be foolish to pull their offer because of the money they allocated to a hitter. I think if Pettitte is who they want. which by all indications he is, then they should make sure they get him.

    And he should put his ego and pride aside…NOW.

    But he’s a Yankee and needs to pitch for the Yankees this year.

  80. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    re: Posada’s arm

    Need that DH spot open. Pitching and defense first. That’s what they promised.

  81. Drain003 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    The problem at the beginning of the off-season was our lack of punch in the lineup. Now we add Tex, only to remove Matsui? So basically we are back to square one with the offense.

    We are in no position to remove any bats from the lineup.

  82. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 11:21 pm

    Re: Nady a Boras client in his contract year

    He’s staying put.

  83. Tim the Enchanter December 23rd, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    Like Pete said on ESPN NEWS…corner outfielders are a dime a dozen right now. Nobody is going to have any trade value….especially if you have to eat the better part of their contract anyway.

  84. ray (sox fan) December 23rd, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    As an outsider looking in I would have to agree that sometimes Matsui is underrated.

    If he is healthy he is a very tough out. I remember at bats against the Sox where the pitcher threw nasty pitches but Matsui still managed to reach out and make contact.

  85. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Re: Yankees concerned about Posada’s arm

    Notice the Kevin Cash signing. DH spot must be kept open for Jorge.

  86. GiddyBeyondBelief December 23rd, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    They should bit the bullet and hold on to Swisher as a backup OF/1B and pinch hitter if they play Cabrera or Gardener in CF. They’ll need OF’s next year when Matsui, Damon and Nady are FA’s. They could also hold on to Nady until the tade deadline.

  87. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    NYY didn’t spend 450 mil and then have 2 mostly inexperienced innings capped pitchers in the rotation again.

  88. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    So currently the Soxs don’t have a catcher?

  89. rodg12 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    You know, Jerry Hairston Jr. wouldn’t be a bad player to round out our bench. Can play some CF, SS, 2B. You’d have to let things shake out and him not have a starting spot some where, but he’d be a pretty good bench piece for the Yanks. CB, any idea what the D metrics say about him as a CF?

  90. PAT M December 23rd, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    No trades, just slight tweaking…Shore up the bench and as CB mentioned, find a good mid-inf….Nady is playing for a contract, that’s good for the Yanks…..I cannot see any changes of significance…Just about all the pieces are in place…Great balance in the lineup, and depth…..Matsiu is a valuable key to this team’s success….

  91. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! December 23rd, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    “So currently the Soxs don’t have a catcher?”

    nope, but they have this prospect George Kottaras, who came up in September.

  92. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Re: Damon in CF/Posada at catcher

    If you put him there for a full season you risk losing your leadoff hitter to wear and tear and possible injury. No reason to risk losing our leadoff hitter. Damon should be the LF/DH.

    Posada’s shoulder might not be able to withstand a full season of throwing. He needs to be able to DH more often. He should be the DH/C.

  93. Tom December 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Make Nady the super-sub. He has experience at 1st, LF, RF, CF, and even 3b (18 innings worth).

  94. Tim the Enchanter December 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    I think the Sox will come to terms with Varitek. He’s probably going to wish he accepted arbitration, but he’ll be back.

  95. ray (sox fan) December 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    I could be wrong, but I still think the Sox will sign Varitek to a one or two year contract.

    I don’t see a lot of other teams out there who are wanting to sign him.

    On an unrelated note it will be interesting to see what happens with manny now. I had been thinking that Boras was steering Tex to Boston so that the Yankees and Angels would competitively bid for Manny.

    I don’t see the Yankees going for Manny now, and the Angels have gone on record that they are not going to pursue manny.

  96. nud December 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Matsui is an excellent hitter. He isn’t going anywhere. Just resign Andy and keep the OF as is for now….Spring training may be a better time to deal if they feel that is the best path to take. No need to rush and trade away Nady or Swish right now. Signing Andy should happen though….

  97. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Jason V should be calling Cash to thank him. That should only drive up his price. Either that or they will be on the trade market.

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  99. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Bret the Hitman
    December 23rd, 2008 at 11:23 pm
    Re: Yankees concerned about Posada’s arm

    Notice the Kevin Cash signing. DH spot must be kept open for Jorge.

    ————————————————————

    Kevin Cash is nothing more than Scranton filler. If a third catcher is needed in 2009, Cervelli or Pilittere will be getting the first call.

  100. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    ray- I agree, no way the Yankees sign Manny now. Where do you play him? We have quite a few of’ers. The only way is if they trade two outfielders, which I don’t see happening.

  101. rodg12 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Alex Cora would be a great player to round out the bench too. Can really pick it at SS and 2B. Seems to have a little Luis Sojo “roll off the bench after not playing for two weeks and hit” in him too.

  102. CB December 23rd, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    ray,

    Must be a tough evening. I’d say i’m sorry but then you’d know I was lying.

    The whole thing was so surprising. I didn’t think it was really going to happen until it was announced.

    I know theo and henry are being blamed some up in boston. But I don’t think it was their fault.

    I really think Tex wanted to play for the yanks and that’s what it got down to.

    Boras could have gotten the Sox to match the yanks offer of $180. The notion that the sox lost out on him over $12M is ridiculous. Massarrotti was arguing that it was the $12M that lost Tex for you guys or the lack of financial commitment.

    I don’t see that. It was mostly preference – the money was so close.

    This is why it’s so hard to build your off season strategy around a boras client.

    You guys will be fine – I said that the other day. It’s tougher now as before I was assuming if Tex didn’t land on the sox he’d be out of the division. Losing him to a division rival makes is doubly difficult.

    But you guys will be fine. Tex was probably more valuable to you long term than short. The line up will be fine. It’ll score runs.

    I do think that Varitek might not be back. You guys could really boost your line up a ton by getting a good catcher. That’s the spot Theo should concentrate on.

  103. Baja December 23rd, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    Andy will be back, he’s doing the family thing for the holidays.

    Anybody heard from Gammons yet? Tex should push him further into babbling pro-Sox senility.

  104. David December 23rd, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    I had as many wins last year as Hughes and Kennedy combined. Pettitte should come for the $10M, or the Yankees can go get Sheets, who is a better pitcher but riskier contract. 2 years for 25M might get it done. He’s an ace when healthy.

    Look at how fast teams are lining up to sign Abreu/Dunn/Burrell etc and realize how saturated the corner OF market is. The Yankees should keep everyone and see who is still healthy after ST. These things have a way of working themselves out.

    Now let’s all just dream about everyone staying healthy, and Posada, Matsui, Cano and Swisher all returning to form this season.

  105. bodhisattva December 23rd, 2008 at 11:35 pm

    CB
    December 23rd, 2008 at 11:18 pm
    “Matsui is severely, severely underrated on here.”
    Very true. I’ve always been surprised by that. Yankee fans really lose perspective on how good an average MLB player is an how much better Matsui is than that average player.
    Nady is a league average player – very valuable thing to have. And people think he’s bad.
    They’re going to bring back Pettite, IMO. And I don’t think they are going to make any trade unless it makes sense. They are not going to dump players for salary reasons.

    MATSUI has been lousy in the postseason ever since 2004, and I’m a fan of Matsui. He is either exhausted by October or hurt/exhausted or hurt. He wears down.

    They won’t dump players strictly for salary reasons, but if they might if they want to add Ramirez.

  106. 89 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    DH- Damon
    SS- Jeter
    1B- Teixiera
    3B- A-Rod
    C- Posada
    2B- Cano
    RF- Nady
    LF- Swisher
    CF- Gardner

    Matsui is not needed you trade him resign Pettitte & sign a utility guy.

  107. Bret the Hitman December 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Re: Big money pitchers and a shaky catcher situation.

    161 mil for CC

    85 mil for Burnett

    Wang, Joba and Hughes

    and a catching tandem containing one surgically repaired shoulder and Mr. I- can’t -play -more- than -5 -games- in -a -row Jose Molina.

    All that great pitching and a possible meltdown on the other end of the battery.

    Something must be done.

  108. TKinDC December 23rd, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    “I could be wrong, but I still think the Sox will sign Varitek to a one or two year contract.

    I don’t see a lot of other teams out there who are wanting to sign him.”

    I hope that the BoSox at least call Boras collect as a sign of protest?

    The cherry on top of the Sundae would be Manny to the Mets (hey, throw in Varitek). I count this possibility as the equivalent of visions of sugar plums dancing in my head :)

  109. 89 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Molina told Sweeny Murti that he is going to get in better shape this offseason because their is a possibility he might have to catch more.

  110. jack December 23rd, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    we need to have gardner in the lineup

    trade somebody to have gardner in the lineup

  111. CB December 23rd, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    Hairston had a very nice comeback season. But I really think the team needs a utility guy who can play SS well given Jeter’s age.

    Hairston hasn’t played much SS. Given their tremendous OF depth they don’t need a utility guy who plays OF so Hairston’s not my first choice.

    Cora I’d like more as he can play SS and 2b and play them well.

  112. bodhisattva December 23rd, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    December 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 pm
    I could be wrong, but I still think the Sox will sign Varitek to a one or two year contract.
    I don’t see a lot of other teams out there who are wanting to sign him.
    On an unrelated note it will be interesting to see what happens with manny now. I had been thinking that Boras was steering Tex to Boston so that the Yankees and Angels would competitively bid for Manny.
    I don’t see the Yankees going for Manny now, and the Angels have gone on record that they are not going to pursue manny.

    IF MANNY is there for the taking on a short-term deal, I can absolutely see the Yankees signing him. I seriously doubt this idea of Manny as anathema to the clubhouse impresses the Yankees much. If they could move out certain people and make room for him on a two-year deal, they will do that.

  113. ray (sox fan) December 23rd, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Hey CB,

    To be really honest I think a lot of Sox fans are a bit shell shocked. Cashman has shown he is very adept at his job in my opinion.

    Especially after the early morning reports I would estimate that a majority of Sox fans thought that Tex would end up in Boston.

    It almost seems that maybe Cashman was reluctant to pursue Tex but the Steinbrenners said go get him! That would explain why Pete felt that Cashman was saying earlier that no more than two big free agents would be signed.

    The Sox will be ok, but you guys have dramatically improved. I just hope that the Sox don’t over react and get some big names at any cost. I think Peavy is a good pitcher but I wouldn’t want to see us give up some combination of Masterson, Bucholtz, Ellsbury, and Bowden to get him.

  114. CB December 23rd, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    “MATSUI has been lousy in the postseason ever since 2004,”

    So has every other player in the line up more or less.

    For whatever reason the team just stopped hitting in the post season after that loss to boston.

    Not sure why you want to blame matsui for that.

    And it would be very, very ill advised to trade matsui based on a small sample of post season at bats.

    He’s a very good hitter.

  115. ray (sox fan) December 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    “The cherry on top of the Sundae would be Manny to the Mets (hey, throw in Varitek). I count this possibility as the equivalent of visions of sugar plums dancing in my head”

    Now Tk….play nice! :)

  116. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    If Varitek doesn’t resign with Boston, they’d probaably have to pay a step price to get one of the Texas catchers. KC did non-tender John Buck. Not a terrible defensive catcher, average is a bit low, but, he could rack up a ton of homers in Fenway.

  117. TKinDC December 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    “I really think Tex wanted to play for the yanks and that’s what it got down to.

    Boras could have gotten the Sox to match the yanks offer of $180. ”

    This is an interesting issue – I’d love to believe that Tex was interested in giving the Yankees a break, but I don’t think that there is much chance that it is true.

    The BoSox made a public statement that they ‘were not a factor’ which really was an attempt to kill the market for Tex’s services in the hopes that Baltimore and (alas) DC were the only other live alternatives.

    The Yankees moved in and played upon that overreach by the Sox. I think it was a masterstroke by Cash – given the relative weakness of the upcoming FA market and the contract structure of the Yanks with all those expiring contracts.

    To be honest I did NOT expect this to happen, but I am very happy it did. The Sox tried to take advantage of a cratering economy and get a deal – - – no sale John Henry and Theo.

  118. rodg12 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    The other good thing about Cora is he’s been a bench player for a while now and is used to the role. Whereas a guy like Eckstein hasn’t been and would have to adapt. Not to mention, I think Cora is a better fielder at both spots than Eckstein.

  119. yankeefan91 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    this lineup would b sick if we added ramirez this team will have a 27chamionship dis team will b the best garanteed i wish we do sign manny and how that will effect boston by lossin a bat in texeira

  120. nud December 23rd, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    The more I hear people dismiss Matsui’s performance for the Yanks it makes me appreciate him even more. If you have watched all his at bats since he come over, you would know that he is one of the clutchest hitters on the team. Matsui is a super solid Yankee type of player and he is on his walk year and in great shape. Matsui hitting 5th will drive in 120 next year. He stays!!

  121. E-Man December 23rd, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    Knocking Matsui’s defense is fair but knocking his hitting is pretty stupid. Maybe you’re confusing Matsui’s and thinking of Kaz?

  122. bodhisattva December 23rd, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    CB,

    I don’t recall blaming Matsui for the team-wide postseason malaise.

    He has not been a good hitter in the post-season. I am aware of his hitting ability, thanks.

    However, Matsui is regarded as a clutch hitter while ARod is, for example, reviled for being a no-show in the postseason. The fact is, Matsui has been equally awful.

  123. hobbie December 23rd, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    I like swisher. don’t trade him. do Matsui a favor and trade him to a west coast team so he will be closer to friends and family in Japan. even if we pay half his salary and send Igawa with him to keep him company.. Our needs are young catching and Young middle infield.

    I am presuming that Jeter will eventually become a corner outfielder

  124. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Who is this idiot Seth Evert on 1050?

  125. ray (sox fan) December 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    GreenBeret7
    December 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 pm
    “If Varitek doesn’t resign with Boston, they’d probaably have to pay a step price to get one of the Texas catchers.”

    Good evening GB. In exploratory discussions a few weeks ago with Texas it was indeed apparent that Texas wants a great deal for their catchers.

    From Boston I know Bucholtz and others were mentioned.

  126. CB December 23rd, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    “It almost seems that maybe Cashman was reluctant to pursue Tex but the Steinbrenners said go get him!”

    No. This was Cashman all of the way. People under rate him IMO as they think all he does is sign checks.

    Before the winter meetings he went and saw Tex in person. He asked Tex to give the yankees the final shot before he signs anywhere. And that’s how it played out.

    He’s been planning this – if anything I think he had to bring ownership on board as it was a very complex plan – from trading for Swisher to not offering Abreu arbitration.

    All of the Manny stuff was most likely leaked on purpose to hide the real objective – which was Tex.

    I can’t see Theo doing something rash. This is however the first time he’s been completely out maneuvered so it’ll be interesting to see how he reacts.

    Catcher is the spot that really would provide the most bang in the line up. You could get a large boost to the line up there. Varitek was 12 runs worse than a league average catcher.

    To put that in contex, Tex would have been a 30 run upgrade from Lowell this year. Around that.

    Get a league average catcher (not easy) and you’d replace 1/3 of tex.

    Also – Can you trust ellsbury in CF if you want to win in 2009? He was awful in the second half. Just stopped getting on base – no walks at all.

  127. jack December 23rd, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    jennifer,

    What’s he saying?

  128. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    jack- That it is insane what the Yankees have done. Same old same old complaint.

    If the other teams don’t like it, don’t accept the Yankees revenue sharing check. Refuse it, make a stand. Oh but that is okay to take.

  129. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    jennifer
    December 23rd, 2008 at 11:48 pm
    Who is this idiot Seth Evert on 1050?

    ————————————————————

    He’s actually Joel Sherman’s long lost twin brother. Not actually lost, just left on a gypsy family’s wagon seat.

  130. bodhisattva December 23rd, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    nud
    December 23rd, 2008 at 11:46 pm
    The more I hear people dismiss Matsui’s performance for the Yanks it makes me appreciate him even more. If you have watched all his at bats since he come over, you would know that he is one of the clutchest hitters on the team. Matsui is a super solid Yankee type of player and he is on his walk year and in great shape. Matsui hitting 5th will drive in 120 next year. He stays!!

    I HAVE not only watched all his at bats, I tape all the games and re-watch them, since I attend all home games. Matsui has NOT BEEN HEATLHY enough or fresh enough to contribute in the postseason. He is worn out by October. He has not been clutch in the postseason since 2004, that is a fact. He is a clutch hitter otherwise.

    It clearly has nothing to do with mental weakness; I don’t think Matsui freezes up because it’s a playoff game as opposed to a regular-season game. Sadly, he is just gassed by the playoffs, and this has been the case for a few years now. It’s just an unhappy fact.

    I

  131. G. Love December 23rd, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    I think before all is said and done Pettitte will be back.

    As for the OF glut, I think Cashman is presently checking into what the market is for Nady.

    I think the fact that Swisher is signed long term and cost controlled makes him a keeper.

    Nady has admirers. I know the Mets love him and would want him back but they honestly have nothing worth dealing for unless you can get them to part with Fernando Martinez (which they won’t do).

    Since Nady is another Boras negotiation waiting to happen, I would deal him even though I like him and I know a Boras player with 1 year left usually has their best year playing for their next big deal.

    I wouldn’t deal Matsui. I love the guy, he plays hard and gives his all and deserves a shot to be on the team next year if healthy not to mention his contract goes off the books next year. We shouldn’t pay him to hit 30 dingers and drive in 100 for another team unless they are trading something good back.

    I think Cash will have to get creative. There might be a great 3 team deal out there with Nady in it involving the Yanks, Mets and another team that gives the Yanks what the Mets can’t.

  132. TKinDC December 23rd, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    It was a tough spot for Theo with a corner infielder being the best offensive prospect (aside from Man-Ram) and the Sawx with Youk, Lowell and Ortiz competing for slow, slower and slowest.

    You know, I just feel SO sorry for them ;)

  133. tterba December 23rd, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    While I love Matsui for his professionalism and class.. It might be time to go… You cant trade Swisher or Nady… Both in the prime of their careers…

  134. E-Man December 23rd, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    I’m sure they gave Pettitte a deadline. I doubt he’ll walk away from the new stadium.. especially with all of the moves being made.

  135. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    All the haters seem to forget

    Cano
    Jeter
    Posada
    Melky
    Mo
    Pettitte

    All homegrown. That they some how fail to recognize. The Yankees filled holes they had, it isn’t like they just signed the best FA just to sign them.

  136. Boston Dave December 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    “Matsui is a super solid Yankee type of player and he is on his walk year and in great shape. Matsui hitting 5th will drive in 120 next year. He stays!!”

    I agree. Here is a guy who gets clutch hits and wants to be a Yankee. I’ll also never forget when he apologized to the fans for getting injured. Name another player with that kind of class.

    If the Yankees keep their current depth and add another utility guy, they can give some of their older players regular days off and have a better chance to keep them fresher and healthier for a hopeful playoff run.

  137. Tank December 23rd, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    I don’t think Nady will be happy with a bench role in his contract year, as a Boras client.

    I’d imagine that Boras would demand a trade for him if he didn’t start. You can’t just put starting players like Matsui, Swisher, and Nady on the bench. It will become a problem.

  138. tterba December 23rd, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    Forgot Joba Jennifer

  139. Tom December 23rd, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    If Matsui gets traded packing up his wife would be easy. He’d just have to fold her and put her in his pocket…

  140. CB December 23rd, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    “This is an interesting issue – I’d love to believe that Tex was interested in giving the Yankees a break, but I don’t think that there is much chance that it is true.”

    I think the only “break” tex gave the team was that he seemed to have no true interest in playing for the Nats. They likely had the high bid.

    What I mean by this is that Tex agreed to given the yanks the last shot. He came to the yankees instead of egging on an auction between the sox and yanks.

    Boras called Cashman on monday evening and just told him – Tex wants to be a yankee.

    That’s how this got done.

    The yankees are generally fine with paying people market value.

    The market value for tex emerged pretty clearly – all the bids were around $170-185M.

    Tex had the sox offer of $170 in hand. If he wanted $180 the sox would have given it to him to close the deal.

    Instead of going back and negotiating with the sox he basically announced he was going to make a decision in the next 2-3 days and had boras tell cashman he wanted to be yankee let’s just get a deal done.

    That’s how it happened so quickly.

    The money was huge – but it was pretty equal all around. Tex went out of his way to make sure the yankees entered the bidding at the going marke rate. He didn’t try to get Boras to get the yankees to make some absurd over market bid just to prevent him from going to the sox.

  141. Welcome to NY Tex!! December 23rd, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    I really think that Cash played this perfectly!!! The Yanks never said that they were interested in Tex and since Cash said that the Yanks would not be signing the top 2 free agents players….no one asked or wrote about it. There was so much talk about Manny to the Yanks, that no one in the media wrote articles or really spoke about Tex to the Yanks. Yanks got lucky with all of fake Manny talk. When Henry and Co. went to Texas they thought Tex won’t go to the Nats, Yanks aren’t interested enough to top our offer..since they acted like they weren’t, so he will fall back to us no matter what we offer. I really think if Henry thought the Yanks were interested like they were they would of offered more $$ while in Texas to get the deal done. I also read that Boras was VERY upset that Henry released that statement that they were out.

  142. rodg12 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    Add Joba in there too jennifer. And Gardner and Coke and Aceves and Hughes and Veras.

  143. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    All the haters seem to forget

    Cano
    Jeter
    Posada
    Melky
    Mo
    Pettitte
    Joba

    All homegrown. That they some how fail to recognize. The Yankees filled holes they had, it isn’t like they just signed the best FA just to sign them.

  144. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY!" December 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    ESPN now saying that the Nats might end up being the big player for Manny.

  145. GreenBeret7 December 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    December 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 pm
    GreenBeret7
    December 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 pm
    “If Varitek doesn’t resign with Boston, they’d probaably have to pay a step price to get one of the Texas catchers.”

    Good evening GB. In exploratory discussions a few weeks ago with Texas it was indeed apparent that Texas wants a great deal for their catchers.

    From Boston I know Bucholtz and others were mentioned.

    ————————————————————

    Evening Ray. Happy holidays to you and the (sox fan) family. Yeah, saw that they were talking about Saltalamacchia. That’s a bunch for somebody that has yet to show that he can hit, much less catch. Say, how about NYY trades catcher Kevin Cash for your pinch hitter, Kevin Youkilis?

  146. jennifer December 23rd, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    rodg12 and tterba

    Thanks my bad. See we have so many homegrown, that I forgot them!

  147. timdogg December 23rd, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    I find to funny to think about a month ago, some people thought the yankees were going to get shut out on signing top FA. Today the yankees hit the trifecta and shut everybody else out! Go Yanks.

  148. jennifer December 24th, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Manny is probably on the phone with Cash saying I’ll play for free! Man with that line up ManRam would go nuts!

  149. Bob Mac December 24th, 2008 at 12:00 am

    I agree that none of the OF/DH types be traded. Keep either Gardner or Cabrera for either CF or 4th OF. Choosing one of them leaves five such players for four spots. How nice with an older group to have an extra capable player. I think all would play over 130 games. Personally, I like Matsui at the plate in an important situation. I also like what professionalism he brings. Add a middle infielder and sign Pettitte if there is money for that. If not their are good internal options.

  150. pat December 24th, 2008 at 12:00 am

    All the haters seem to forget

    Cano
    Jeter
    Posada
    Melky
    Mo
    Pettitte
    Joba
    ____________________________________________

    Poor Wang. Everyone forgets him!

  151. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes December 24th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    CB,

    Man, you post some of the longest posts on here…don’t your wrists hurt?

  152. Don December 24th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    Just play Swisher in CF and live with the downgrade in defense. He’s not awful in CF, he is slightly below average.

    What’s the big deal?

  153. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! December 24th, 2008 at 12:01 am

    jennifer,

    you also forgot about Rivera (the most important one), Hughes, and Kennedy. :D

  154. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! December 24th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    jennifer,

    even mind, u did include Mo. lol

  155. jennifer December 24th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    ed Mo is there!!

    Pat geeze whats wrong with me!! Someone re-write the list. PLEASE!!! :)

  156. ray (sox fan) December 24th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    “Say, how about NYY trades catcher Kevin Cash for your pinch hitter, Kevin Youkilis?”

    GB, after what happened today with Tex your suggestion above truly constitutes cruel and abusive punishment!!!!

    As I write this I am sending a fax to Santa. You will be getting a Schilling shirt with the new Sox logo this holiday.

  157. rodg12 December 24th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    Wow, can’t believe I didn’t notice Wang and Rivera were missing. Good catches Ed and pat.

  158. Sevendust December 24th, 2008 at 12:03 am

    If we have Damon in left, Gardner in Center, and Swisher in right to go along with Tex at 1st, our defense has upgraded DRAMATICALLY.

  159. TKinDC December 24th, 2008 at 12:04 am

    “The money was huge – but it was pretty equal all around.”

    I think this is where we run into the psyche of Scott Boras – ‘agent to the stars’ who must still be licking his wounds from last off season when A-Rod knocked him rear over tea-kettle.

    Boras is not in the business of taking the 2nd best offer. He is TYPE A and occasionally lets that interfere with his negotiations. I think he understood the Sawx were trying to limit his market and wanted to finally start moving his clients into teams (the Tex deal is only his 2nd of 20 clients to be placed according to an NYT story over the weekend.)

    2 subpar off seasons for Boras would be a real blow – so he closed a deal on the best offer. Win, Win.

  160. jennifer December 24th, 2008 at 12:04 am

    ray (sox fan) December 24th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    “Say, how about NYY trades catcher Kevin Cash for your pinch hitter, Kevin Youkilis?”

    GB, after what happened today with Tex your suggestion above truly constitutes cruel and abusive punishment!!!!

    As I write this I am sending a fax to Santa. You will be getting a Schilling shirt with the new Sox logo this holiday.

    —————–

    That is so kind of you. He can use that to wipe the salt off his car! :)

  161. Wolf In Pinstripes December 24th, 2008 at 12:04 am

    As GB7 mentioned, there was a need for a seasoned catcher in Scranton. I don’t think the Cash signing was made with the major league roster in mind at all. Check Chad’s recent posts over at the SWB blog – he mentioned the Scranton catching situation in a post pretty recently.

    I totally agree with CB regarding the outfield logjam. There’s really no reason to move any of these guys at the moment. My only hope is that Damon is not seriously considered if they do decide to trim the OF ranks. After all the recruiting he has done for the organization, it would be a very cruel move for them to make. As long as he is kept out of CF for the sake of injury risk, he has far too much value to this club, both on the field and off.

    I also expect to see Pettitte back.

  162. CB December 24th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Dan Graziano is also reporting that the yankees were prepared to offer Manny a three year deal if they didn’t land Tex.

    What a swing in a franchises fortune. From manny to tex…

    “The Yankees were prepared to bring in Ramirez on a three-year deal, if they had to. This is according to a Yankees official who didn’t want to be identified because he’s not authorized to speak on behalf of the team. This person said the Yankees were hoping all along that Teixeira would come back to them before signing with the Red Sox, but that they were prepared to go with Ramirez if they had to, regardless of baggage or shoddy defense.”

    Graziano is also saying that Omar desperately wants manny on the mets but that the wilpons refuse to have him on the team.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....o_fas.html

  163. GreenBeret7 December 24th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    ray (sox fan)
    December 24th, 2008 at 12:02 am
    “Say, how about NYY trades catcher Kevin Cash for your pinch hitter, Kevin Youkilis?”

    GB, after what happened today with Tex your suggestion above truly constitutes cruel and abusive punishment!!!!

    As I write this I am sending a fax to Santa. You will be getting a Schilling shirt with the new Sox logo this holiday.

    ————————————————————

    OH, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo….I promise to be good. LMAO

  164. Ninja Burglar December 24th, 2008 at 12:05 am

    I think we keep all 4 of Damon, Nady, and Swisher, and Matsui. They all serve a purpose, and if they’re all healthy, we can get them all at-bats.
    Damon hits leadoff, Nady is a righty, Swisher has versatility with all OF spots and 1st, Matsui when healthy is the best hitter of the group. 3 spots for 4 guys, and i think we can make it work with days off and defensive substitutions.
    If they’re not healthy, then we don’t need to look anywhere for a replacement. But one of those guys on the bench during a game increases your bench. Add utility infielder Ransom and whoever isn’t playing center at the time (Melky, Gardner) along with Molina and there is our bench.
    We just need Andy now, and we’re set.

  165. jennifer December 24th, 2008 at 12:06 am

    wolf I agree. After all the recruiting that Johnny and his wife did, I see being last on the list of of’ers to move.

  166. Phil December 24th, 2008 at 12:06 am

    This has been a tremedous offseason with the Swisher trade, the free agent signings, and the kids doing well in winterball, but I still think there’s a trade or two coming for good, but not expensive, pieces.

  167. Welcome to NY Tex!! December 24th, 2008 at 12:09 am

    If Cash doesn’t trade Nady or Swisher I think they will be very good depth to the team. Matsui needs a day or 2 off a week to stay healthy so you can plug Swisher into the outfield and give someone else a day to DH. Matsui is bad at the end of the year because his body can’t hold up playing everyday. Then he starts pulling the ball and looking awful. Days off will really help to keep the guys healthy hopefully for the play offs. With the Yanks having so many injuries the last couple of years depth would definitely be good.

  168. CB December 24th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    “2 subpar off seasons for Boras would be a real blow – so he closed a deal on the best offer. Win, Win.”

    I think we disagree here. I don’t think Boras did a particular special job for Tex.

    Boras was unable to generate a huge auction for Tex. In fact the exact opposite happenned. Henry called his bluff and then the angels pulled out.

    It was only after those two things happenned that tex had boras tell Cashman he wanted to be a Yankee.

    Tex got paid well – but that was largely due to his own talent not the agenting skills of Scott Boras.

    This wasn’t like Boras getting tom hicks to bid against himself to the tune of $250M. There boras was a huge factor.

    But here boras didn’t set the market. The market dictated to boras what they valued his client at.

    This was not some brilliant deal agented by boras. This was tex and his track record.

  169. ray (sox fan) December 24th, 2008 at 12:10 am

    Good night all.

    I’m going to bed and when I wake up I will realize it was just a nightmare that you guys signed the guy that the Sox FO was “lusting” after!

    Right? Right? :)

  170. Suave December 24th, 2008 at 12:11 am

    Nady aint got jack on Matsui….its a no brainer Nady goes

    Nady and Kennedy could net something of quality

  171. GreenBeret7 December 24th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    jennifer
    December 24th, 2008 at 12:04 am
    ray (sox fan) December 24th, 2008 at 12:02 am

    “Say, how about NYY trades catcher Kevin Cash for your pinch hitter, Kevin Youkilis?”

    GB, after what happened today with Tex your suggestion above truly constitutes cruel and abusive punishment!!!!

    As I write this I am sending a fax to Santa. You will be getting a Schilling shirt with the new Sox logo this holiday.
    ————————-

    That is so kind of you. He can use that to wipe the salt off his car!

    ————————————————————

    I wouldn’t line the bird cage or let my dog sleep on a Schilling t-shirt. I know that this hurts Ray to the quick. It’s a generous offer, though.

    On second thought..I’ll take it. I have a brother that I don’t like very much.

  172. PittsburghYankeeFan December 24th, 2008 at 12:12 am

    OK, Pete, which is it?

    First the Yankees have all the $$$$ in the world, and then they have to trade someone? Why?

    Pettitte is as good as signed for 2009. Hughes will likely take his place in 10.

    So their payroll is $195 million in 09??? Which of Matsui and Damon will be hurt in 09 for an extended period of time? $36 million at least comes off the books after 09, assuming they sign Pettitte.

    They keep Nady and everyone until at least the trade deadline, then decide what they need. My guess is that they need nothing.

    They have the most money. Now they have a better decision making process. God help the rest of baseball.

  173. ray (sox fan) December 24th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    GB

    One final note…..the Schilling t-shirt will be blood stained. Now I know you are impressed!

  174. Sevendust December 24th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Time to go for the jugular

    Sign Manny– 2 yrs/$60 million, vesting option for 3rd year

    Go for it all. Make us a 130 win team.

  175. PittsburghYankeeFan December 24th, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Another thing.

    Tex grows up with a picture of Don Mattingly on his wall. The Sox screw him big time when he is drafted since he decides to go to college.

    Why were all of these supposed “experts” so sure he was going to the Sox???

    Time for some of these Boras/Theo shills to try another line fo work. Their only value is entertainment at this point.

  176. Clint December 24th, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Teixeria looks a lot like Matt Ryan

  177. yankeefan91 December 24th, 2008 at 12:16 am

    tom
    If Matsui gets traded packing up his wife would be easy. He’d just have to fold her and put her in his pocket…

    hahahhahaa lamo that was funny ass hell

  178. UtilityMan December 24th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    1.Damon L
    2.Jeter R
    3.Matsui L
    4.Rodriguez R
    5.Teixera S
    6.Nady R
    7.Posada S
    8.Cano L
    9.Gardner/Cabrera L/S

    Bench
    Molina
    Ransom
    Cabrera/Gardner
    _______________ One other Utility Guy

  179. CB December 24th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    “They have the most money. Now they have a better decision making process. God help the rest of baseball.”

    Great summary. This is what appears to have happenned this off season.

    No more tampa faction vs new york faction in fighting.

    No more we can sign Vlad Guerrero but we wind up with Sheffield for irrational reasons.

    No more bidding against themselves for Giambi as George did. Instead they let the market mature for the free agent 1b they want and then step in when they know what the going market rate is.

    NO more over the hill left handed former aces like RJ. Now it’s paying top dollar but for a left handed ace in his prime.

    Baseball is going to complain not fare – but it’s not truly the money they’ll be complaining about.

    What is now dawning on them is that the yankees are now getting value for their investments instead of squandering cash.

  180. GreenBeret7 December 24th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    ray (sox fan)
    December 24th, 2008 at 12:14 am
    GB

    One final note…..the Schilling t-shirt will be blood stained. Now I know you are impressed!

    ————————————————————

    Absolutely. It’s a real keepsake. A Schilling t-shirt with the blood of Red Sox Nation on it. Thanks, Ray.

  181. bodhisattva December 24th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    E-Man
    December 23rd, 2008 at 11:46 pm
    Knocking Matsui’s defense is fair but knocking his hitting is pretty stupid. Maybe you’re confusing Matsui’s and thinking of Kaz?

    ——-

    It is you who are confused. No one is knocking Matsui. I can’t speak for others, but it’s not really my nature to take gratuitous shots at my players, especially players I like.

    However, I’m not confusing my feelings for Matsui with the fact that Matsui has been an awful postseason bat since 2004. He has barely been present:

    2005: .200/.273/.400
    2006 .250/.250/.313
    2007 .182/.438/.182 (!!!)

    His knees were so bad, he actually stood at the plate last postseason at times with one intention: walking. That’s because his knees were so bad and he knew it; so standing in there and drawing walks was somewhat admirable and a testament to respect pitchers have for him. It doesn’t change the facts, however.

    In those 47 at bats over three postseasons, Matsui has two RBI, and JUST THREE XBH. That is staggering.

    You need to try to understand where a poster is coming from before you blindly assume the poster doesn’t “appreciate” Matsui. Nothing would make Yankees fans happier than for Matsui to revert to the postseason player he was in 2004, or even 2003. He has been a shell of that player.

    What is clear is that Matsui has been a different player since 2004 in the postseason, one with virtually no power.

  182. jennifer December 24th, 2008 at 12:17 am

    So do I buy a Texiera, CC or AJ shirt? I am leaning towards a Tex shirt.

  183. profman December 24th, 2008 at 12:19 am

    why trade any outfielder? with matsui, damon, gardner/melky, swisher, and nady you basically have 5 players competing for 4 positions, including dh. if you played everyone equally, then each would play 80% of the time. this would provide the older players, like damon and matsui sufficient rest. it would also provide some insurance against tough lefthanded pitching and injuries which have happened with alarming regularity to yankee players.

  184. Tom December 24th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    “But when your biggest problem is that you’ve got too many hitters, you’re probably in good shape. A week ago, the Yankees were merely another of the fine teams in the American League East, no worse but no better than the Red Sox or the Rays. Today, though? If you pride yourself on holding unconventional views, then by all means, you should predict one of those other teams will win the East. Just don’t bet good money on it.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....=Neyer_Rob

  185. riyankee42 December 24th, 2008 at 12:20 am

    “Teixeria looks a lot like Matt Ryan”

    hopefully he leads the yanks to the playoffs like ryan! im a falcon fan and its AMAZING what that kid has come in and done. i would have been content w a 5-11 season w a rookie quarterback, but between he, turner and the maturity of white im still in shock that were in the playoffs

  186. Bronx Jeers December 24th, 2008 at 12:21 am

    “YANKEES SIGNED KEVIN CASH TO A MINOR LEAGUE DEAL 3 CATCHERS??????”

    Which stings harder in Red Sox nation tonight?

    Losing out on Tex or Kevin Cash.

    Maybe Cashman just wanted to have another “Cash” around to run interference.

  187. CB December 24th, 2008 at 12:23 am

    “What is clear is that Matsui has been a different player since 2004 in the postseason, one with virtually no power.”

    Matsui has had only 60 at bats in the post season since the middle of the red sox series when the team stopped hitting.

    That is a completely inadequate sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions from.

  188. Nick in SF in Charlotte December 24th, 2008 at 12:24 am

    Matsui isn’t getting traded.

    Dassit!

  189. PAT M December 24th, 2008 at 12:26 am

    Nobody plays the Scott Boras game better than Brian Cashman…..Not even Scott Boras himself…..

  190. Bo knows December 24th, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Some really high quality posts – you know who you are and then some slo no gos – sign Manny for eleventeen mil.
    Yeesh 11

  191. Clint December 24th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    riyankee,

    Congrats! What a turn around for you guys. And the most miraculous part is that you guys could get the #2 seed still and the first round bye.

    Hopefully you’ll meet my Giants in the NFCCG next month!

  192. Ninja Burglar December 24th, 2008 at 12:28 am

    I’m looking at a 25 man payroll right now of $197,875,775.

    This does not include arbitration increases for Nady, Brueny, or Melky. I have their 2008 salaries listed.

    I also have 2008 salaries listed for Gardner, Random, Aceves, Ramirez, Veras, Albaladejo who all made around $400,000 last year.

    I also include Phil Hughes at last year’s $406,350 and Joba’s $390,000 from last year.

    Everything else in my total is current 2009 salary. So once the arbitrations come through and the minor players get their increases, I’m thinking we’re right around $200,000,000.

    Pettite brings that up another 10-12 mil, and there we have it.

  193. COL 88 December 24th, 2008 at 12:29 am

    Maybe Swisher will beat Teixeria out for the 1B position in Spring Training and we’ll end up trading Teix himself.

  194. Bo knows December 24th, 2008 at 12:30 am

    Boy isn’t that Cash a pistol. (bows to master)

  195. Nick in SF in Charlotte December 24th, 2008 at 12:31 am

    The increased revenue from the 3 rounds of playoffs should help offset the raises due to a few of the arb-eligible players. I hope Maddon enjoys managing the All-Star game to get us – I mean, the American League team – home field advantage in the World Series.

  196. riyankee42 December 24th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    riyankee,

    Congrats! What a turn around for you guys. And the most miraculous part is that you guys could get the #2 seed still and the first round bye.

    Hopefully you’ll meet my Giants in the NFCCG next month!

    thanks clint! i know, its mindblowing1 really anything else from here on out is just icing on the cake! im excited for what they have done, i just hope payton has brees chasing that record sunday and they destroy the panthers! that would be one hell of a game, atl at the giants showcasing two of the top running games in football! well best of luck to the g-men this year as well!

  197. CB December 24th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    “Nobody plays the Scott Boras game better than Brian Cashman…..Not even Scott Boras himself…..”

    People often say Cashman does nothing but write checks.

    Let’s take a look at the yanks last several dealings with boras free agents.

    Damon – boras was looking for a seven year deal. The yankees don’t even engage in any extensive discussion until the last minute and sign him for a 4 year deal at a reasonable market rate.

    Alex – they allow the whole deal to blow up and Alex returns to them. He gets paid a ton but they basically gave him what they thought a fair deal for him was.

    Tex – same thing. Cashman will not enter the boras circus and makes boras come to him to get the deal done.

    Each one of these cases Cashman made a boras client come to the yankees instead of allowing the team to get drawn into a circus.

  198. aardvark December 24th, 2008 at 12:32 am

    anyone else kinda feel bad for the sox?

  199. John December 24th, 2008 at 12:34 am

    The guy grew up watching Mattingly and wore no. 23. He has wished to play first base for the Yankees since he was a young kid.

    We want guys like that!

    Congrats, us

  200. A-List December 24th, 2008 at 12:34 am

    Next year, Cashman will get Holliday for 6/$150 and con Boras again

  201. Boston Dave December 24th, 2008 at 12:34 am

    “So do I buy a Texiera, CC or AJ shirt? I am leaning towards a Tex shirt.”

    me too. we share the same birthday and it will sting Boston fans a little bit more than CC or AJ.

  202. riyankee42 December 24th, 2008 at 12:35 am

    yeah im gonna shed a tear on my pillow tonight for the sox…. i tear of joy! hahahahahaha

  203. Redding December 24th, 2008 at 12:36 am

    I;m going to buy a Kevin Cash jersey

  204. UtilityMan December 24th, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Now the Yanks have a
    Teixera
    and a
    Texeira (Kanekoa).
    I guess this means bye bye Shelly Duncan.

  205. Nick in SF in Charlotte December 24th, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Can jerseys be custom-made? I want to get a Teixeira Red Sox jersey for my Sox-fan cousin.

  206. Boston Dave December 24th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    “Can jerseys be custom-made? I want to get a Teixeira Red Sox jersey for my Sox-fan cousin.”

    you bet they can… and great idea.

  207. Francis December 24th, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Nick – Disgruntled Panthers fans over there in Charlotte this week?

  208. UtilityMan December 24th, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Yes they Can Nick in SF
    http://www.baseballexpress.com

  209. PAT M December 24th, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Nick in SF in Charlotte….The best shushi in town is a place called Ruttan’s…In fact it maybe one of the best shushi joints I’ve ever eaten at….( Firecracker roll..Great )…..Good to have Bo Knows back….Yanks Trifecta,,,,CC, AJ & a Tex…..Loving it….

  210. ANSKY December 24th, 2008 at 12:48 am

    aardvark –

    Nnoooooo I don’t feel bad for the Soxx at all. Why? Should I?

  211. E-Man December 24th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    bodhisattva, What’s your point? Nobody has been hitting in the postseason the past 3 years. Matsui has had more Hits, RBI’s and Runs Scored than Arod. And as bad as your making his numbers out to be, he’s had the most runs scored on the team the past 3 seasons including 25% of the runs scored in the 07 alds.

  212. Nick in SF in Charlotte December 24th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    Francis: I just got in last night and everyone in my family is a Giants fan, so no disgruntlement here. The Panthers fans are probably disappointed but they can have a rematch if they really want one. Same venue, same result!

  213. Bronx Jeers December 24th, 2008 at 12:50 am

    Andy Pettitte… Come on Down! You’re the next contestant on The Price Is Right.

    Really Andy, Join the party! The water’s warm and the beer is cold.

  214. E-Man December 24th, 2008 at 12:51 am

    And all that on bad knees!

  215. yankeefan91 December 24th, 2008 at 12:51 am

    i wouldnt b shock if the yanks add ramirez they caught me by surprsied with this signing of teixeira i wasnt expecting dis last minute signing if they do sign manny this u kan say is the best team and u can hand the trophy to us in spring training cuz we have the offense and to back it off we finally have the pitching sign pettite asappppp and were done and trade an outfielder not swisher damon trade sum outfilder for a bullpen arm with is not that necessary

  216. Nick in SF in Charlotte December 24th, 2008 at 12:52 am

    PAT M, congrats again, you never lost faith. I was always a CC-first guy, didn’t think they’d go all in. I’m sure happy they did.

  217. NJ 88 December 24th, 2008 at 12:54 am

    Matsui for Jonathan Sanchez?

  218. YankeesElViejo December 24th, 2008 at 12:55 am

    Kawakami: Yankees can’t buy guarantees

    http://www.mercurynews.com/ath.....ck_check=1

    The Yankees signed Mark Teixeira, too? That’s incredible. That’s outrageous!

    When you add his $180 million deal to CC Sabathia’s $161 million grab bag to A.J Burnett’s $82.5 million booty, that’s the end of everybody else’s pennant chances, right?

    Yep, the Yankees now are guaranteed to win the 2009 World Series, in the same way the Detroit Tigers were guaranteed to win the 2008 World Series after confounding everybody by acquiring Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis last December.

    Oops: The Tigers traded for the duo from Florida, gave Cabrera $153 million and Willis $29 million, were favorites to win it, and then finished 74-88.

    # Maybe the Yankees are guaranteed at least a spot in the American League championship series, right?

    Double oops: They’ve had the No. 1 and 2 highest-paid players for a while now, with Alex Rodriguez and Derek Jeter (and with Jason Giambi in the top 10 from 2002-2008), and have not made it to the ALCS since 2004.

    Teixeira, Sabathia and the rest all might have many dominant years ahead of them, but history tells us that by the time they get monster free-agent deals, most players’ best years are probably behind them. Big-money teams are paying for past performance, not future greatness.

  219. yankeefan91 December 24th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    wow i just saw in sportcenter that in burres house they found 2guns

  220. Bronx Jeers December 24th, 2008 at 12:56 am

    Sox jerseys don’t have names so it might not achieve maximum consternation.

  221. yankeefan91 December 24th, 2008 at 12:58 am

    how about a trade of matsui and cabrera for sanchez would that work?

  222. tank57 December 24th, 2008 at 12:59 am

    We could trade Nady and Kennedy for Aaron Rowand and then use Swisher RF, Rowand CF, Damon LF, Matsui DH…I would rather trade Matsui but he’s going to be hard to get rid of…Either way I think they need to trade either one of those guys for a CF…

  223. yankeefan91 December 24th, 2008 at 12:59 am

    is steve phillips high he said the yanks are number 2 and puts the sox first

  224. vin December 24th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    Anyone wonder how much more Tex would’ve cost if Cash hadn’t made the Swisher trade? NYY would’ve had much less leverage.

  225. vin December 24th, 2008 at 1:01 am

    “is steve phillips high”

    I don’t think he’s smart enough to figure out how to get high.

  226. PAT M December 24th, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Nick in SF….I guess Ken Forsch was right that day at Peeble Beach when he mentioned that they ( The Angels ) were concerned that The Yanks were lurking in the shadows and always thought that they were the team that would be thier greatest threat in resigning him……Goodnight all, I have a 7:30 tee-time tomorrow…I’ll be getting all that Yankee dollars crap from the local Angel fans…Maybe they’ll be distracted and I can win some skins….

  227. Wolf In Pinstripes December 24th, 2008 at 1:03 am

    jennifer – go for two. Get a regular sized Tex shirt for day wear and an oversized C.C. tee to sleep in. There’s a not so subtle C.C. joke in there somewhere. And I swore I wouldn’t jump on the bandwagon of jokes about C.C.’s size. But that was too easy.

    I haven’t commented much on the offseason moves up to this point, because I know Cashman always makes his stealth moves and wanted to wait for the dust to settle. I for one am thrilled with the way things have shaken down.

    As for all the $ flowing, so what? It’s not my money, and I’m happy that our team is in great shape. We got free agents for money without giving up prospects, our rotation is now ugly good, and our farm system is still stacked for future years. Now we can truly bring our prospects along properly.

    The world can – and always will complain about the Yankees spending freely. As others have pointed out, there are other teams that have the finances available to sink into their organization in the same manner that the Yankees re-invest with their revenue. Fans of teams like Boston and Anaheim should stop grousing about the Yankees and direct that anger towards their own organization for not closing the deals that they should. Somebody mentioned Carl Pohlad earlier – perfect example of an owner lining his pockets with money instead of tossing it back into his team.

    It’s always “ruining baseball” when the Yankees hand out big contracts. I don’t recall the same sentiment from the media when SF started this mess with the Zito deal, the Mets with Santana, etc.

    If being an unapologetic Yankee fan means I am part of an evil empire, fine – fit me for my stormtrooper outfit. Nyah nyah.

  228. ANSKY December 24th, 2008 at 1:08 am

    OK the Yanks definitely clinched the ‘off-season’ championship, and to use the word ‘emphatically’ would still be vastly understating it. It feels like they’re about 63 games clear of the nearest competition before spring training even starts. Now they just have to win the regular season, the ALDS, the ALCS and the WS. Hopefully by the same amount.

    Tampa can go ahead & win spring training again for all I care! :)

  229. Boston Dave December 24th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    “Oops: The Tigers traded for the duo from Florida, gave Cabrera $153 million and Willis $29 million, were favorites to win it, and then finished 74-88.”

    The Tigers were the favorites to win it all? With that pitching staff and bullpen? I don’t think so. Nice try.

    The Yanks have arguably (or even most likely) the best pitching in the game.

  230. j2 December 24th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    New post >>>>

  231. vin December 24th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    from Gammons on Saturday:

    “For two years, it has been the Red Sox’s plan to sign Teixeira. That plan remains.”

    Let’s keep that in mind when he puts out his “The Sox decided against signing him for some high-brow philosphical reason – Yay Theo!” article tomorrow.

  232. Nick in SF in Charlotte December 24th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    I don’t recall anyone on this board freaking out because the Tigers got Dontrelle Willis.

  233. dave December 24th, 2008 at 1:36 am

    This tex acquisition gives us many options and none of which should lead to the “we are done” conclusion.

    We have two rightfielders, plenty of bullpen arms and numerous expendable players.

    We need a solid centerfielder, a fourth or fifth starter, a legit bench and a primary setup man in that order.

    Yea sure gardner could be fine in center and batting ninth esp if he has a better year than last year as he has had at every level. He has speed and he takes walks when he is on. Melky is done and should not be included in the lineup on espn as it sounds like they dunno what they heck they are talking about when they do that,

    So cameron looks a hell of a lot better for one year in that ninth spot now that tex is on the team. He could easily steal us 20 bases, put up 20 homers and give us a decent batting avg out of the ninth hole while providing well above average defense and being the stopgap until ajax comes in.

    Right field is swisher all the way over nady. Swisher is far more talented and prolly will be better defensively. Swisher is almost a shoe in for a comeback season. If they want him to platoon – he is a switch hitter and nady is a righty which works out and swisher could basically be half the bench backing up the entire outfield, first base and a solid bat off the bench. But i think swish will be better served if he is the full time right fielder.

    Nady is cheap and has a ton of trade value. He is a starter and could bat fourth on a mediocre club. We could always trade him with some other useful but not important pieces such as melky, edwar, veras, igawa and others. We could trade them for a solid reliever such as huston street, Making marte and bruney the primary seventh inning guys with street in the eighth and mo in the ninth.

    lastly, we need the most easily solvable problem covered which is acquiring another starter. There is three ways to go with this one – if we dont spend money elsewhere, we can sign pettitte or better yet spend a little more and get sheets. CC, Wang, Sheets, Burnett and Joba would be the best rotation in baseball bar none. Pettitte in rather than sheets is still good. Further, we can spend money on cameron or elsewhere and plug the hole with acaves in the fith spot moving joba up one. Still a pretty decent rotation.

    If we get cameron and street with solid players that are expendable like nady, melky, aceves, coke, ramirez, veras and prospects our centerfield and bullpen is settled. Swisher moves to right and our lineup is settled with a legit starter in every spot and two guys in swisher and cano not being relied upon making a comeback seaosn easier for them to accomplish. Spending for two years of sheets would be a solid move stabilizing the rotation for years with hughes and kennedy waiting in the wings when injury arises.

    The bench is solved with a few easy plays – swisher could be part of it if we keep nady. Otherwise, it can be filled from within with a few very minor moves. However, this team is not quite done and these moves are extremely important. Cashman can do the easy plays like throwing massive amounts of money at Tex but the smart moves like getting swisher and the difficult moves like convincing CC are few and far between. These last couple described above are unlikely but i think they are crucial and represent intelligence over just throwing money around.

  234. bodhisattva December 24th, 2008 at 1:42 am

    CB
    December 24th, 2008 at 12:23 am
    “What is clear is that Matsui has been a different player since 2004 in the postseason, one with virtually no power.”
    Matsui has had only 60 at bats in the post season since the middle of the red sox series when the team stopped hitting.
    That is a completely inadequate sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions from.

    ——

    This response makes no sense. Perhaps you are thinking of another poster?

    I am not drawing any conclusions about Matsui’s makeup as a postseason hitter as opposed to a regular-season hitter, which you seem to be focused on.

    I have noted that what distinguishes the two hitters is this: one who is apparently healthy (the regular season hitter) and the other whose performance is compromised by injury and fatigue (the postseason hitter I have seen the last three years). My concern is that the healthy Matsui, come October, may not be a reality going forward.

    What is your point, regarding his number of at-bats? Are you saying that 47 at-bats is not enough to communicate to me that the player is plagued by nagging injuries or is tired? I’m not really sure what you’re saying.

    First of all, the injuries are well documented. Second of all, I probably need, maybe THREE at bats to signal the player is not himself, especially since I have a HUGE sample size to draw on, that dates back to the first game he ever played in Yankee Stadium, when he hit the grand slam.

  235. dave December 24th, 2008 at 2:02 am

    Npw

    Lineup Lineup with a few moves A few moves and money

    Damon L
    Jeter R
    Tex S
    Arod R
    Matsui L
    Posada S
    Nady R Swisher S
    Cano L
    Gardner R Cameron R

    Rotation

    CC L CC L CC L
    Wang R Wang R Wang R
    Burnett R Burnett R Sheets R
    Aceves R Pettitte L Burnett R
    Joba R Joba R Joba R

    Bullpen
    Mo Mo
    Marte Street
    Bruney Marte
    Ramirez Bruney
    Veras Others
    Coke/Geise

    Bench
    Molina Molina
    Ransom Ransom
    Duncan Swisher
    Cabrera Gardner

  236. dave December 24th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    nO MORE THE YANKS BIDDING AGAINST THEMSELVES? we just bid against ourselves to sign CC no?

  237. Leftjab December 24th, 2008 at 2:18 am

    Trade Cano to the Dodgers for Kemp. Trade Nady or Matsui to the Cubs for Theriot.

  238. Brian December 24th, 2008 at 2:47 am

    Nady is the best player in our OF. He’s the only non-tradeable IMHO. We should consider signing him to a longer deal, actually.

  239. gianthinker December 24th, 2008 at 3:32 am

    I bet Pettitte re-signs by the new year.

  240. rover December 24th, 2008 at 4:52 am

    I’m always wrong but I feel Kinda like Andy and the dollar guy had a tentative of some sort and we will here about maybe sat.

  241. A-BOMBforA-ROD December 24th, 2008 at 5:48 am

    I saw on the Saint Louis newspapers board, they had a Kennedy and Swisher for Rick Ankiel trade talk.

  242. Arliss December 24th, 2008 at 8:45 am

    Pete – My advise, dont bother trying to say payroll is an issue and this guy or that guy isnt coming. It backfires every time. Pettitte will be a Yankee and it wont be long. They wont pull the offer.

  243. Chris December 24th, 2008 at 8:46 am

    You seem to be forgetting

    A-Rod gets a $5mm raise in 2009
    Swisher +5mm
    Cano +3mm
    Marte + Wang each get $1mm raises
    Nady likely to get a $3mm raise in arb

    That’s pretty much makes up the difference from last year’s payroll before adding another starter or a bench guy….

  244. Nik December 24th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    You people who seem to think that Swisher is valuable because he is under contract beyond next year, quick note: HE’S A CAREER .250 HITTER. HE MAY WALK A LOT BUT HE FANS A LOT TOO. I don’t want him in my lineup every day. As a bench player that can be plugged in somewhere, yes. But He’s played full seasons and gotten plenty of AB’s and he’s STILL a .250 hitter.

  245. WrongfullyRighteous December 24th, 2008 at 10:34 am

    Pettitte will re-sign after the Yankees make a move to trade Matsui or Nady. Any sooner than that and they’ll have to make an unnecessary transaction to clear a spot on the 40-man roster.

  246. KennyH123 December 24th, 2008 at 11:15 am

    To the people who think Swisher is an “on base machine” because he walks a lot, I would like to point out that someone who hits .219 and strikes out 130 times is NOT an on base machine, despite a high walk total. It simply means he takes a lot of pitches, strikes included. Way too many strikes.

  247. jeff December 24th, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    i would trade matsui because he is always injured i mean what is the point of having someone who barely makes it half the year they will resign nady any way and they know not to rely on phil or ian so they will find a way to get pettite.swisher can bat left which benifits yankee stadium so that is a major aspect i think because he will be healthy unlike matsui.the yankees always keep secrets and i think one is getting manny.i no stienbrenner is doin every thing he can to win and i believe he could see this line up in his head. damon jeter ramirez arod tiex cano nady posada swisher

  248. Vince December 24th, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Honestly, I respect the work that Pete puts into this blog, it is great. But, I must admit, it is funny that he was so smug with us readers about the Yanks getting Tex or Manny, almost acting like we had no clue about anything.

    So, in terms of signing players, I will look to other sources.


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