When a $1 is really $1.40
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 23, 2008 
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Think you’ll have bills to pay in January? The Yankees owe MLB a $26.9 million in payroll luxury tax by the end of next month according to the Associated Press.
The threshold in 2008 was $155 million. The Yankees had a 40-man roster payroll of $222.2 million and had to pay 40 percent on the $67.2 million they were over.
The threshold for 2009 is $162 million. The Yankees are already at roughly $164 million for 15 players, so any dollar they spend from now on is really $1.40.
Andy Pettitte, Xavier Nady and Brian Bruney will cost roughly $16 million. Then the Yankees will have seven 0-3 service time players to sign. That’ll cost another $3-4 million.
So while it’s easy to say, “Go get Manny or Tex,” the reality is that a $150 million deal for Mark Teixeira is really a $210 million deal.
At some point, that’s actual money.
and once again, no one cares about money. we want to win.
be frugal be happy
I just hope my 10$ Heineken isnt’t 14$ dollars next season!
Again, this budget crap is very annoying. Teams that have a payroll that is going to be near 200 mil DO NOT HAVE A BUDGET!!! Does Cashman, Hal, Pete ect really expect fans to buy that crap.
If they want to have a budget then have a 140 mil payroll
Doesn’t the new stadium lessen that cost at all? I know it affects the revenue sharing but I guess not the payroll luxury tax.
please stop!!! we know you would kiss cashmans backside but this is going to far. boo hoo lets fell bad for the yankees beacuse the spend 200 million will making three times more. we raise ticket prices after misssing the playoffs and the sox got to the lcs and kepp prices the same. please stop writing articles about the yankees and money they could buy both tex and manny and it wouldnt matter. your pathetic.
The Yankees and all the people that talk/write about them (this means you Pete!) need to cut the crap about the money being an issue. Money is not an issue for the New York Yankees. When you sell 4 million tickets before the season even starts, charge $9 a beer, and get free handouts from NYC tax payers – I repeat – MONEY IS NOT AN ISSUE! All this ‘cutting payroll’ nonsense needs to stop. If you want to see that type of baseball (which there is nothing wrong with) go support another team. But these are the Yankees.. we basically ARE baseball, if we stop spending the union will throw a fit!
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3789581
I feel like I slept through a news day at some point. Is it common knowledge that Beltran came to the Yankees with an offer before he signed with the Mets? For some reason I am completely unaware that this happened. hmmpf.
We’ll still be spending money on Manny Ramriez, Pete. You’re covering the New York Yankees, we will spend because the Red Sox will sign Teixeria and the Yankees will be desperate to steal the spot light from Boston and be desperate to sign a big bat.
Not sure if you saw this Pete…
PENNY PINCHING: The Yankees shelled out $161 million for CC Sabathia and are in the process of trying to sign more players for big bucks, prompting the club to seek additional revenue sources wherever they can find them.
One of those may come in the press box at the new Yankee Stadium, where a source said the club is considering charging media members for wireless Internet access at every home game.
A Yankees official said the idea has been thrown around, although it is unclear whether it will happen or how much the team plans to charge if it decided to go ahead with the plan.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ettit.html
Don’t the Yankees avoid some or all of the luxury tax starting in 2009? I believe there’s some clause that allows teams financing new ballparks to use luxury tax money they would have paid to make those payments.
*Three years ago, Carlos Beltran was a free agent, and near the end of his negotiations with the Mets, he offered to sign with the Yankees for a six-year, $96 million deal, or more than $20 million less than what the Mets had offered. The Yankees declined the proposal.*
It’s not that simple. Don’t forget the credits for certain costs associated with the new stadium (bond interest payments and some maintenance expenses per the CBA). Also, the FIT benefits.
I would also assume that if Tex were to really prefer the Yankees, as some report do suggest, the deal could be front-end lightened, so the bite in the initial years (during the balance of the Jeter term, and possibly others) could be palatable.
Again, it is not as simplistic as some suggest. The Yankees certainly have the sophistication to structure a deal that maximizes the offsets, and thus enhances the bottom line.
“Andy Pettitte, Xavier Nady and Brian Bruney will cost roughly $16 million.”
That is wrong I think. Pettitte will cost minimum $10 million. Nady is in his third year of arbitration, made ~$3.5 million last year and had a career season. He will get upwards of $8 million in arbitration I would think. Bruney will get something like $2 million.
My guesses could be totally off but Nady will cost a lot I think.
“One of those may come in the press box at the new Yankee Stadium, where a source said the club is considering charging media members for wireless Internet access at every home game.”
hahaha, I love it. Lupica and Sherman should have to pay double (ya know, the Idiocy Surcharge) and Gammons pays triple (Senile Homer Surcharge).
I don’t believe luxury tax is affected at all. It’s revenue sharing that gets cut against the cost of a new stadium.
And ticket prices went up how much Pete?
“your pathetic”
Your what is pathetic?
Oh, you meant to say “you’re”, right?
Luxury tax is huge, guys. They can’t ignore it or pretend that signing another huge contract isn’t potentially a money pit into which the team will suffer into because of it.
Nobody agrees with it, but at some point, the spending has to stop and the performing needs to begin.
What will they do next year when they need to replace all the players who leave? You think you’re going to get Johnny Damon like play for 12M again?
Nady is going to get a big raise for sure. I still don’t advocate trading him though. Obviously 08 was a career year and he won’t duplicate those numbers, but he has gotten better and better every year for the past few. No reason he can’t continue to improve at his regular yearly rate.
yes, the Yankees are hurting for cash….having to pay $1.40 for each dollar in salary will bury them…..BK to come soon… LOL
Bronx Jeers,
You are not correct.
Thats a good point on the money, but I’m not sold the Yanks are actually worrying about the money…
“Luxury tax is huge, guys. They can’t ignore it or pretend that signing another huge contract isn’t potentially a money pit into which the team will suffer into because of it.”
Agreed. Especially with several of the luxury boxes still unsold. This isn’t Monopoly money.
Ed, the answer is yes, but they have to prove that they’ve allotted that money towards the park, so in the end, they still have to spend the money, just not give it towards other teams, so no money is actually saved.
If it were this year, the yankees would have to cut that same check to the interest on the new stadium, thus making it paid for faster, but not saving any money in the present.
Either way, that luxury tax dollar is out the door.
BBB,
How do you know Nady won’t duplicate those numbers? He is a Free Agent after 09…
I think Nady is better than a lot of people give him credit for.
“I don’t believe luxury tax is affected at all. It’s revenue sharing that gets cut against the cost of a new stadium.”
Yes. This is roughly correct. It’s revenue sharing that is affected by debt related to building a new stadium. They will pay less into revenue sharing as will the mets.
The luxury tax doesn’t change.
As the Mark Teixeira decision looms here’s what the switch-hitting first baseman might be thinking about:
Major League sources indicate the Washington Nationals and the Boston Red Sox appear to be the finalists pending a last-minute New York Yankee offer – always a possibility.
The Nationals are offering 9 years at $180 million.
The Red Sox have not appeared to change their offer of 8 years at around $170 million.
You can see the Nationals are willing to give Teixeira $10 million additional dollars, but the Red Sox’ average annual value is about $1 million per year higher. This could obviously be changign by the minute, but that’s where it appears to be at present.
Washington is closer to home. Boston is the better team.
We may have a decision by today.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....e_mon.html
Nady is a solid player but if they can move him they definitely should. There is another no-brainer of a decision out there (Tex) and it looks like Cashman will pass on yet another outstanding position player.
Cmon Cash-do something for once. It’s not like you have to get creative, just spend the $$$$$. Hal will be on board if you give the greenlight. Don’t fail us now!
Who the he11 cares about Carlos Beltran??? That was years ago now… You think they would have one a bunch of rings if only they signed him??? Please.
If you want to play the “what if” game, forget Beltran. Sign Albert Pujols on the international free agent market 9 years ago!!! Oh, and then draft Johan Santana in the rule 5 draft!
Pete, you presume that we fans care more about the Yankees financial state than the Yankees do about ours.
It’s a mutually platonic relationship. They skip the lube on the ticket and concession prices and we don’t take money into account when discussing off-season trades and acquisitions.
Trust me, they’re still getting the better of the deal. No need to assume the whole financial situation is above everyone’s head. We can figure it out. Hell we made it to this website without losing a limb. The thing is, we really don’t give a sh!t.
Tex and Boras both know that going to Washington will be the stupidest thing they could do, but that 10M will probably get it done.
Expect Tex’s numbers to fall of the table there. No protection (Guzzman?), and very little to actually play for.
It’s a bad move for both club and FA here.
I expect him to go to Boston, but I imagine they’ll match the offer at least to get it done.
Wow, I usually don’t read the comments and wondered why pete kept talking about them not going after Texiera and Manny because its obvious that they won’t and shouldn’t at the prices that each is likely to get. But now after reading all this crap that gets posted on here, I understand why he feels the need.
You people just need to get over it. Its on record now, if they miss the playoffs because they don’t have enough offense next year, you can say I told you so. I know you want it to happen, but its not gonna happen. So just start talking about something else.
“They skip the lube ”
hahahahahaha..
Funniest, and truest thing written here in awhile. And that includes Nick’s stuff.
John,
Earlier, a person on here asked for an example of a Boras client that was willing to take less money to play for the Yankees. I was merely providing an example. I couldn’t care less about Carlos Beltran, though I’d rather have him than Sheffield.
Teams building new stadiums get a break on revenue sharing payments, not payroll luxury taxes.
And, you know, they’re still paying for a stadium.
Meanwhile, while BBB is enjoying chortling about the idea of reporters paying for internet access … ever heard of wireless cards? We all have them.
You guys also have to remember that Hal Steinbrenner is 39. His father spent wildly hoping for that one last title. Hal could own the team for 40 years. Why would he break the bank for 2009? It really doesn’t make sense.
I hope they sign Manny, Tex, Brian Fuentes, Derek Lowe and trade 17 prospects for Ichiro. I want to cover a great team, I want to cover superstars and I want Manny Being Manny antics to fill my notebook. But at some point you have to be realistic. This is actual money and George Steinbrenner does not run the team anymore.
And now i’m taking my niece to see a movie about a mouse. Have fun and be civil.
nud,
Its not that simple…and, Cash HAS been doing something this offseason: re-stock our rotation with incredible arms in CC and AJ.
Pete, with all due respect, I DON’T GIVE TWO CENTS ABOUT THE MONEY!! For the amount of money I will be paying when I attend the new ball park, I BETTER SEE the BEST team in the field. Sorry to say this Pete but I don’t care how much they spend, all I care is for them to win AT ALL COST. Winning is only second to breathing. BOTTOM LINE. So stop it with the budget and money saving rhetoric. I want them to get the best player possible to field a better team than the opponent.
Yankeepelotero,
You define the insane Yankee fan of absolutely unrealistic expectations. I admire your passion, I really do, but your expectations are hogwash.
For those of you who say, “I don’t care about the money”, it doesn’t matter what “you” think.
The Yankees DO care about the money. So, if they decide they don’t want to give another 160+ million dollar contract to somebody, it doesn’t matter what “you” think.
Don’t kill the messengers who are trying to explain this tiny factoid to you.
Last I checked, we are fans, and the Steinbrenner’s own/run the Yankees. Whether we as fans “care” about the money is irrelevent.
Can it with the money already Pete. It’s not 150 = 210. 1) You don’t know what the payroll is for future years 2) You can’t attribute every dollar over the luxury tax to a set of players in the order they signed. It is distributed evenly as a function of the entire payroll.
“Sorry to say this Pete but I don’t care how much they spend, all I care is for them to win AT ALL COST. Winning is only second to breathing. BOTTOM LINE. So stop it with the budget and money saving rhetoric. I want them to get the best player possible to field a better team than the opponent.”
Hows that been working in the Cashman era? Money and stars buy you nothing.
Remember when they were supposed to win 135 games because of RJ and A-Rod? They spent the money and were supposed to be unstoppable.
How’d that go? It takes more than money to compete in the AL East all year. It takes a creative thinking GM and a good ownership group. We have the ownership group.
Pete enjoy Despero! And please stop with all the sensible talk regarding money when you’re about to shell out 50 bucks for movie tickets and snacks!
Prince, Why isn’t that simple. It IS THAT SIMPLE. Don’t be fooled into thinking taking a payroll from 209 to 215 is a big deal. That insults my intelligence.
And Cashman didnt get AJ and CC, $$$$$ and a chance to win every year did. Cash did the smart thing that EVERY GM would have done and that is go directly to CC’s house. Theo perfected that when he went to Schilling’s on Thanksgiving in 04.
I would like to see some creativity out of our GM for once….just once please
Guess who foots the bill if the payroll goes up?
Think about it when you say money doesn’t matter.
It certainly matter to anyone typing on this blog, and in the end, it’s us who will inherit that extra cost.
I wouldn’t sign Teixeira anyway but it is not out of their reach financially and never has been.
Are beat writers embedded now too?
Blah blah blah…
Time for some REAL baseball journalism!
Why do u think baseball players r paid so much? Bc the yankees r really a charity disguised as a baseball team?
Who is making the money for the yanks?
Now that pete has straightened me out, I see that it is brett gardner, melky cabrera and b cashman. Most of us here readers would beg to differ.
lol, why are people here taking it personally that Pete is pointing out that the Yankees may be deterred from spending due to the luxury tax? He’s just reporting the news, he’s not taking any stance on what they should or shouldn’t be doing. You guys need to work on your reading comprehension.
to all of you who care about the money. I care about them not making the playoffs last season and not looking forward to making it two seasons in a row. ESPECIALLY after they coughed up so much cash for Sabathia and AJ. if you are going to field the best team and overbid yourself by $40 million, then do a complete job and improve your offense and defense. don’t give me this half hearted attempt. Again, I DON’T CARE how much they spend. All I know is that not making the playoffs for 2 seasons in a row its not going to fly with the fans that pay premium prices to get into the new ball park and pay premium prices for hot dog and soda.
And exactly how much does that “Mouse ” get paid for being in that movie? Nada!!
Pet stars and animated characters could use a Scott Boras or two to get their fair share of revenue that these kiddie movies create. It’s ludicrous!!!!
35$ to take your niece to a movie and the “star” gets totally shafted.
If only they could teach these characters how to hit a baseball!
And Arial, Yeah, thanks for clearing that up for us.
nud,
Your so-called intelligence is concerning me.
Our GM is great at what he does. Just because he isn’t goiing out and signing Teixeira and Manny Ramirez then trading for Jake Peavy doesn’t mean he’s not creative.
I think you’re pro trading Nady and I can think of worse moves, but an OF going into a contract year at $8 million is not a bad problem to have. We can always trade him before the deadline if need be.
How does anyone even know there is a huge market for nady right now? I’ve heard NOTHING concerning interest that would truly benefit the Yankees.
IMHO, if the Yanks let Tex get on that plane to the Red Sox, we’ll regret it. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of our lives.
Someday you’ll understand that.
The luxury tax is definately an issue, but in two years it will be at 178 million.
If they keep the payroll the same this year as it was last year, they will pay less – about 24 million than this year. In 2010, they would be paying about 21 million and in 2011 about 18 million. So they will actually ‘save’ money this year and years to come if they keep the payroll at it’s 2008 level.
I’m not saying “money” doesn’t matter, I just don’t think the Yanks worry about it as much as some bloggers do.
I believe the Yanks are willing to go 3yrs on Manny, or 5yrs on Tex. IMO that is why the story was leaked about there willingness to have the same payroll as last yr. The discount from Tex would be yrs’ not $$$.
they asked Andy to come back but at a discount from last yr.
Yankeepelotero,
Sounds like you need to have a bit more faith in your team pal.
You don’t think everyone else on this board thinks it sucks they missed the playoffs? If so, you’re mistaken.
The AL East was tough last year and injuries beat us up all season long. If we had Wang healthy, we probably would have made the playoffs. Maybe not, who knows.
We will have a solid team going into 2009.
Creative Idea: NOT trading Phil Hughes or Austin Jackson…so far, Cash has been VERY creative in this respect.
Yeah, because blowing $180 million on a first baseman is a great idea.
Not.
Prince- A great GM???? How? Please explain…..
Was the Nady/Marte trade the STEAL of the century?? IROD worked out well….Pavano, Wright, Karsay, Farnsworth…
Cash doesnt know FA pitching and never has made a creative trade….K Brown, J Vazquez….cmon
Bob Watson prob had more of an impact than Cash did during the late 90′s and he was here for like a year….
“IMHO, if the Yanks let Tex get on that plane to the Red Sox, we’ll regret it. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of our lives.
Someday you’ll understand that.”
When CC and AJ landed in NYC they basically told Mark to go fly a kite and one day you’ll understand that, you’ll love it, maybe not today, certainly not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of your life
“You guys also have to remember that Hal Steinbrenner is 39. His father spent wildly hoping for that one last title. Hal could own the team for 40 years. Why would he break the bank for 2009? It really doesn’t make sense.”
All very true. But signing the best young FA player to come out since A-Rod is not just a present day expenditure. It is a sound long term investment for a team who has several impending future positional free agents and an aging core.
Tex is not just for 09 pete. he could be a cornerstone player until he is 35. Why don’t we get a guy who can grow with us instead of plugging gaps.
repost from Yanks Cut Prices Thread
CB
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:33 pm
GB7,
Mauer is one of the 7-8 best players in baseball. Unless Montero has transformed himself into a guy who is definitely going to be fine at catcher long term you have to make a run at Mauer.
Hopefully Montero does because mauer is going to get huge deal and it will carry a lot of risk. If he wears down and has to move positions he’s value plummets. With him its entirely the position he plays.
But he’s a first ballot hall of fame catcher in the making. You can’t just pass on that easily. He’ll be a free agent when he’s 27.
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Thanks, CB. I was going to say that NYY had to make a run at him. Even if Montero makes it, having them split DH and catching would be great. I really do think that Romine will be making a position switch, within the next year or so. I’d think that a corner infield or outfield, possibly. He’s just not quick footed enough behind the plate and he’s slower to make his shifts than Montero. Love that bat, though. He does have the speed to play a corner…I was thinking right field, in particular.
180 million on Tex is not blowing money. Outside of A-Rod and Beltran, it is hard to find a more complete player to have hit the free agent market in the last 7 or 8 years. With no legit infield prospects on the horizon, Tex would be a sound investment, even if you think this years club can win without him.
Wow….not trading your top 2 prospects is creative!!! Kudos to him then. Cash is an avg GM based on his track record. I have always supported him and I thought he would do nice things when he go full control but the lack of position players down on the Farm is disturbing and they still had to shell out 250 mil on 2 pitchers even though we are SUPPOSEDLY loaded with pitchin gin the minors
The Steinbrenner business credo….You spend money to make money….Fannies in the seats…….
nud,
Cashman wasn’t running the show entirely at that point. Surely you know this.
Sheffield??? SHEFFIELD??? We could have had Vladimir Guerrero but King George wanted the Sheff.
Trading for Nady and Marte was not a bad move any more than it was a great move. At the time, it was a steal especially when Tabata was acting like baby clown in the minors. He may pan out and be incredible, but he didn’t appear to want to do as much in pinstripes.
Unfortunately, Marte slowed down, but Nady’s season was pretty good on the whole.
“When CC and AJ landed in NYC they basically told Mark to go fly a kite and one day you’ll understand that, you’ll love it, maybe not today, certainly not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of your life”
I guess you’re not a movie buff…
Wave Your Hat,
We’ll always have 96 – 2000 or Paris
nud,
you’re an average fan.
Wave,
Did you happen to see SG’s projections of different roster alignments over at RLYB? Very interesting.
Baseline team now – 95 wins.
Team + Tex – 98 wins
Team + Manny at DK – 97 wins
Team + Dunn – 96 wins
Adding an al east competition factor knocks the expected win total down by around 2. So it would be more like 93/ 96/ 95/ 94.
He doesn’t model it to make it “realistic” – just to see how expectations and the change in expected wins varies (assumes swisher in CF – but does so for all scenarios).
Interestingly Adam Dunn doesn’t come out to do much nor is he very cost effective.
His projections were pretty close to what we were roughly estimating on how to set the team.
I’m not comfortable going into next season with a team projected to win 93 games.
Also – if you haven’t seen it take a look at his projections for the yankees pitching staff vs. the sox vs. rays. The yanks staff is miles of prevented runs ahead. I was very surprised to see such a large expected difference. And that was without the bull pens figured in.
http://www.replacementlevel.co.....ir_offense
“180 million on Tex is not blowing money. Outside of A-Rod and Beltran, it is hard to find a more complete player to have hit the free agent market in the last 7 or 8 years. With no legit infield prospects on the horizon, Tex would be a sound investment, even if you think this years club can win without him.”
http://i44.tinypic.com/2ngxv8y.jpg
and regarding Javier Vazquez, I am quite certain that A LOT of people on here would agree that at the time, that was a great trade for the Yankees. He just didn’t work out.
Randy Johnson, thats another story as is Kevin Brown, but realize that both were far older than CC or AJ when we got em.
“I guess you’re not a movie buff…”
Actually I find them quite entertaining.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....e_mon.html
I don’t think fannies in the seats is much of a problem.
It’s the adverts on the tellie that they’re going after now.
Teixeira announcement imminent?
Email|Link|Comments (15) Posted by Chad Finn, Globe Staff December 23, 2008 01:47 PM
Has Mark Teixeira’s day of decision finally arrived? Reports are starting to trickle out that free-agent slugger will announce his destination today, and at least one suggests the Red Sox will win the sweepstakes.
The Washington Times website reported early this afternoon that a major league baseball source told reporter Thom Loverro that there will be announcement today regarding the 28-year-old Teixeira’s future. Here is the segment that should intrigue Red Sox fans:
While the source declined to discuss specifics, there are strong indications that the Red Sox will announce that they have landed the highly-coveted slugger, who has been courted this offseason by several major league clubs, including the Angels, Orioles and Nationals.
The Red Sox have been considered one of the lead contenders in the Teixeira sweepstakes, but it was unclear whether the team would be able to meet the asking price from agent Scott Boras, who had hoped to land a contract for as much as $200 million over ten years. Last week, Red Sox owner John Henry told reporters that the team was no longer pursuing the player, but the statement was widely seen as a negotiating maneuver.
The Globe’s Nick Cafardo reports that league sources told him that the Nationals and Red Sox appear to be the finalists, pending a last-minute offer from the Yankees.
Cafardo says the Nationals are now offering nine years at $180 million, while the Red Sox have apparently not altered their offer of eight years at approximately $170 million. While the Red Sox’ offer is at a higher annual value, the Nationals’ offer of an extra year could be a factor.
Meanwhile, an ESPN.com report bylined by Peter Gammons and Buster Olney suggests Teixeira’s decision is “seemingly imminent,” but does not offer a strong indication as to which team among the Red Sox, Nationals, Orioles, and Yankees that he will choose:
. . . The Baltimore Orioles’ negotiations for the free-agent first baseman appear dormant. The Yankees, on the other hand, continue to review their options, preparing for the possibility — however real it is — that Teixeira might make them an offer that they couldn’t refuse.
The Boston Red Sox or the Washington Nationals continue to be the most likely destinations for Teixeira, executives involved in the process believe — the Red Sox, with an offer that might be in the range of $170 million, and the Nationals perhaps with a proposal greater than that of Boston.
The Yankees made an initial offer to Teixeira, a proposal not close to the others, before they withdrew their bid, and they have maintained contact with the agent, Scott Boras.
Stay tuned throughout the day for more updates.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....oun_2.html
Ya I get what your saying Pete, but when has that ever been an issue for the Yankees?
GB7,
The question with Mauer is whether he’ll ever hit the market. The twins will have to trade him and I’d have to think he might be interested in signing a long term deal given the injury risk of his position.
There will be many teams after him. But given his OBP i’m sure the Red Sox will be all over him.
It’ll be interesting to see how the market for him shapes up because by then he could be only the second best catcher in baseball.
According to Olney on the ESPN ticker, the Yanks are discussing contract terms for Tex with Boras…
Brandon…..Huh?
“The Mad Prince in Pinstripes
December 23rd, 2008 at 1:21 pm
BBB,
How do you know Nady won’t duplicate those numbers? He is a Free Agent after 09…
I think Nady is better than a lot of people give him credit for.”
I definitely agree that he’s better than the platoon player some on here dismiss him as. Didn’t think about the contract year, either. Who knows, maybe he will duplicate his 2008, I’m not going to expect it though.
Thanks for the input, CB.
If we get Tex it will be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
“Meanwhile, while BBB is enjoying chortling about the idea of reporters paying for internet access … ”
sorry, forgot we weren’t allowed to make fun of reporters on here!
CB,
Statistically, wouldn’t you think the Rays would be very difficult to project. Many of their players don’t have a large body of work to accurately predict yearly rates.
Also, their staff was remarkably healthy a year ago.
I’m a little skeptical with these predictions, though not so much with teams like to Yankees and Sox that are more veteran represented, but it assumes the Rays will be what they were a year ago.
i think this idea that the Yanks want to spend less money is so stupid. they have always been the top spender in baseball and a young player at a position that hasn’t been filled properly since Tino would be so stupid to pass up on. Having that switch hitter in the lineup who plays excellent defense is what the Yanks need and should just throw money at to get.
Buster Onley 1;37pm today..
After Teixeira’s negotiations with the Red Sox last week in the failed meeting between the team executives and the player, the Yankees are at least preparing for the possibility that they will be presented with a set of parameters by Teixeira that would bring him to New York. If the first baseman gives the Yankees contract figures that absolutely would result in him signing with the Yankees, they want to be ready to respond.
are you kidding me Prince, you prob became a Yankee fan in 99.
Some people on here have said it best, players like Tex don’t come around like this too often (big deal he is a 1b) He would fit the part perfectly. They should make this play if it is reasonable. At least put forth an effort.
“Brandon…..Huh?”
Huh what ? the yanks were discussing contract figures internally, which is something much different then discussing them with Mark and Scott but Olney wanted to be vague to get people to watch. The preview showed Soxs and Nats, keep buying into it bro.
Anyway, interesting about Washington’s reported offer to Teix. Remember though, Boras apparently told them they’d have to pay a Bad Team Surcharge to acquire him. So with that surcharge, an offer $10-20 million better than Boston’s could really just be equal to Boston’s offer.
The extra year is a big feather in Washington’s cap, though. That’s the kind of thing that could be the difference maker for a Boras Disciple like Teix. Ditto for an opt out clause. Anyone heard anything on BOS & WAS’ respective willingness to provide one, btw?
Moshe Mandel wrote: “180 million on Tex is not blowing money. Outside of A-Rod and Beltran, it is hard to find a more complete player to have hit the free agent market in the last 7 or 8 years. With no legit infield prospects on the horizon, Tex would be a sound investment, even if you think this years club can win without him.”
I agree with this…I really hope we swoop in and sign Tex. Out of all our FA signings this would be a very smart investment. Plus, we have at least $26M coming off the books after next year ($13M each for Damon and Matsui, and probably $10M for Pettite). Factor that savings with a weak 2009 FA class and Tex makes even more sense. If they are so worried about 2009 salary then just backload the deal so he makes $15M this year and $24M per for the remaining 7 years. In the greater scheme of things signing Tex makes even more sense than signing a guy like Burnett and to an extent CC.
Solid defense at First cannot ever be stated enough. Look how Youkilis improved the Red Sox defense when Ortiz was relegated to full time DH duties. Giambi at first base… what a laugh. How many of those ground balls in between Slowno (cano) and Giambi would have Tex gotten to. And now will athletic pitchers in CC, AJ, Wang, Joba they will have no problem converting those groundballs into outs.
“It’ll be interesting to see how the market for him [Mauer]shapes up because by then he could be only the second best catcher in baseball.”
CB, is this a Matt Wieters reference? I really can’t wait to see this kid play (not against the Yanks though), he definitely sounds impressive.
a case could be made that if the yankees can outbid themsevles by about 100 million dollars for a-rod they should be able to afford tex.
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....osts/35144
The Yankees have made contact as well, and are seriously talking with Teixeira’s people. The two-time Gold Glove winner appears to seriously considering signing with New York.
I say the article from Buster Onley on ESPN sight…I posted a piece from it…interesting…
Ugghhh. For weeks, I’ve been wanting fiscal responsibility. Make a smart move by staying the course. Don’t block up 1st base for another 8 years. Everything I can think of to justify not overpaying for Tex. Cause I think it’s too much. He doesn’t deserve this much. The situation is driving up the price.
But right now, at this very moment, my heart is pounding. I feel like a decision is coming soon. And right now, I want him. Fiscal responsibility be damned…
1:02pm: Jon Heyman says the Yankees are still in it – they’re “talking seriously with Teixeira’s people.” He agrees that a decision could be made as soon as this afternoon.
MLBRumors.com
wow…the swooping has begun.
“How many of those ground balls in between Slowno (cano) and Giambi would have Tex gotten to. ”
How many would Swisher have gotten to?
Some people act like we would be starting a defensive hack at 1b were the season to commence tomorrow. I’m not saying Swisher’s D is the reason we shouldn’t get Teix (I think roster flexibility is the reason we shouldn’t) but just pointing out that Cash already did address 1b defense.
Hot Stove update..
The race to sign free-agent slugger Mark Teixeira has evolved into a three-team battle between the Red Sox, Yankees and Nationals — and a decision could be made by Teixeira as soon as this afternoon.
The Red Sox have been perceived as the favorites to land the former Angels first baseman, who hit .308 with 33 home runs and 121 RBIs in 2008. The Yankees have made contact as well, and are seriously talking with Teixeira’s people. The two-time Gold Glove winner appears to seriously considering signing with New York.
The Nationals, meanwhile, have been heavy bidders all along, but most baseball people believe Washington has an uphill battle against the AL East titans.
Heyman is such a Boras schill, it is comical.
Double edged sword– he easily will have the best and most reliable information but he also will be providing the smoke screens for Boras.
So what to believe?
BBB
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:07 pm
“It’ll be interesting to see how the market for him [Mauer]shapes up because by then he could be only the second best catcher in baseball.”
CB, is this a Matt Wieters reference? I really can’t wait to see this kid play (not against the Yanks though), he definitely sounds impressive.
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Not answering for CB, just wanting to add that, in about 2-3 years a swarm of outstanding young catchers are going to hit MLB like the shortstops hit in the 90s.
I would prefer the Nationals blow their bank on signing this guy…..if not I would rather Tex for 8 than Manny for a day…..another defensive liability who is aging and has a proven mental condition
were is SJ44…this isn’t possible is it..
God please let Heyman be right
Swisher still has a lot to prove at 1st base. How many GGs does he have? What was his batting average last year? This is the Yankees after all, and with an aging outfield we could use some power and consistency at the plate. Tex will be insurance against Matsui/Cano. Nady and Jeter are also question marks but aren’t as big as Matsui and Cano.
What is Olney saying that hasn’t already been said?
Basically, if Tex submits an offer to the Yankees, that won’t be shopped by Boras, of what it would take to sign him, he will sign with the Yankees,
How is that new “news”?
Plus, we are gonna need a gold glove 1B with the rest of our IF defense the way it is…especially 5 years from now when A-Rod and Jeter will both be in their mid to late 30′s. Tex will be there to scoop everything.
Forget Tex, he doesn’t even want to be a Yankee.
Manny does. Sign the better player!!
Manny Ramirez.
I don’t think Heyman will be posturing for Boras this late in the race when the decision is now imminent. By now, the teams in the race have already made their best offers and Boras knows seriously whether or not the Yankees are getting involved and isin’ t going to waste anymore time if we’re not.
I tend to believe Heyman this time.
I wouldn’t let Manny wash my car windows let alone wear pinstripes
Nud,
No one is disagreeing that signing Tex for a “reasonable” contract would help. But what is reasonable to one guy is not to the next.
And I don’t think an 8-9 year contract worth $200 is reasonable.
A four year contract worth 90-100, sure, but that isn’t what Teix is after.
“Statistically, wouldn’t you think the Rays would be very difficult to project. Many of their players don’t have a large body of work to accurately predict yearly rates.
Also, their staff was remarkably healthy a year ago.”
Notice how these two things are linked? Yes there’s less data but there are ways of estimating the effect of that so you can decrease error.
But why was the staff so healthy? Good part of it was because they were young.
That’s the flip side – not a lot of data often means very young.
Look at the yanks last year. Lots of data. Projected to win 97 games. But it’s hard to estimate the effects of age and there you go…
In general I think people often expect too much from statistics.
We plan thing in our lives all of the time. To plan for anything means you are doing some kind of projection for what the future will look like.
Even if you are planning an airline flight – you are projecting that the plane will be ok mechanically, weather ok,etc.
Statistics in these projectins aren’t meant to be bible truths. They are just ways of coming up with more precise estimates to help for planning.
And on the rays – one of the things the statistical projections said at the start of last season was that they would win MANY more games due to the improvement in their defense.
People chuckled at that idea.
How’d that turn out?
So Tex is seriously considering signing with us, yet we haven’t even made him an offer?
The is just getting humorous now.
It is possible that Tex will be a Yankee, remember the Red Sox snubbed him, but more likley he will sign where the money is.
E-Man…..
Manny is an idiot savant who can hit but barely function otherwise….he has quit before and will quit again….he should resign with LA or look into whether Special Olympics has baseball as a scheduled sport….
I don’t think the special olympics want manny
“Not answering for CB, just wanting to add that, in about 2-3 years a swarm of outstanding young catchers are going to hit MLB like the shortstops hit in the 90s.”
GB7: And the best part is, at least one of them will be ours! Just like the shortstops in the 90s
Who are some of the others? I will keep an eye out for them. Is Teagarden in that class, or is he considered a notch below?
They don’t need Pettitte or Nady and they have Damon and Matsui coming off the books after the season.
If they cared about money, you don’t give Burnett $82.5 million.
“s this a Matt Wieters reference? I really can’t wait to see this kid play (not against the Yanks though), he definitely sounds impressive.”
Yes it was. I’m not sure if we’ve ever seen a prospect like Wieters and I personally can’t remember any prospect being discussed the way he is.
His bat and defense at that position are unparalleled given his age.
I’ve seen him described as Mark Teixeira playing catcher and people who are already saying they would be dissappointed if he doesn’t make the hall of fame.
He very well could wind up being the second or third best player in baseball in the not too distant future.
NO HYPE
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Solid defense at First cannot ever be stated enough. Look how Youkilis improved the Red Sox defense when Ortiz was relegated to full time DH duties. Giambi at first base… what a laugh. How many of those ground balls in between Slowno (cano) and Giambi would have Tex gotten to. And now will athletic pitchers in CC, AJ, Wang, Joba they will have no problem converting those groundballs into outs.
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If you think that Cano is slow or doesn’t have range at 2nd base, ther’s no hope for you. Just because he doesn’t steal bases, doesn’t make him slow. Have you ever watched him go home to 2nd or run out a triple, or go 1st to 3rd? I’m not saying he’s a burner, but, he’s not slow. He may have added a little too much weight over last winter, but, from reports, he’s dropped over 10 pounds and back in the low 190s.
I wouldn’t offer Teixeria anything more than 5/$90
I fall under the premise that I’ll believe a Scott Boras client will take much less money from the Yankees when it actually happens.
Just don’t believe he will leave money on the table to sign with the Yankees.
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....osts/35144
And you guys doubt me.
“Manny is an idiot savant who can hit but barely function otherwise”
That’s what we need.. A bat. He’d also be 130 million dollars cheaper than Tex and we’d only have him for 2 years. Seems like a better investment to me.
“I wouldn’t offer Teixeria anything more than 5/$90″
Or 5/100 and No he is not worth more than that.
GB7:
From memory, I remember a lot of groundballs up the middle and towards 1st that Cano clearly could have and should have gotten to that he missed. Remember when there were all those discussions about his motivation (lack thereof) on these groundball plays? I am sure Giambi didn’t help his stats regarding right center groundballs but he didn’t help his case any. I am not saying he is slow, I am saying his range leaves a lot to be desired. If that was a motivational problem or a physical problem is yet to be determined.
I told you this morning..
The ball is in the Yankees court. It’s what they are willing or not to do..
Tex’s choice is Yankees first. Is that not obvious by now?
The news is it’s a 3 teams race for Tex, all I ever said it is possible…
Latest on Teixeira: Three-team race, decision near
“I wouldn’t offer Teixeria anything more than 5/$90″
Amen.
If he does (leave money on the table to sign with the Yankees), what was this long protracted process about? It will end up having been a collossal waste of time and effort. From what I read lately, the Yankees apparently made a so-called “soft” offer to Teixeira before the winter meetings, but basically pulled it when the serious money/years became known.
So, if Tex ends up signing with the Yankees for just a little more than what they had originally offered to him, what has all this been for?
I don’t see it. But, I have no crystal ball and I do realize — ya just never know.
by the way, with the Angels really now out of it, that Kotchman/Teixeira trade looks awful right now for the Angels.
i didnt believe it when they said they were out, but i guess they really are now.
Here’s how it could all work.
Yanks sign Teix
Trade Swisher and stuff to Anaheim for Torii Hunter.
Yanks trade Damon, Aceves, and Kennedy to Pittsburgh for McLouth. McLouth in left field.
Yanks trade Matsui and Hughes to SF for Lincecum.
Yanks sign Manny. Manny at DH.
Best. Team. Ever. Give me the GM job, these trades CAN happen!
Lineup:
Hunter LF
Jeter SS
Teixeira 1B
A Rod 3B
Manny DH
Posada C
McLouth RF
Cano 2B
Melky/Gardner CF
Rotation:
CC
Wang
Lincenum
AJ
Pettitte
Joba to the pen, setting up Mo and the heir to the empire.
Do it!
“I don’t think Heyman will be posturing for Boras this late in the race when the decision is now imminent. ”
I’m not so sure about that. Heyman is just Boras’ town crier. We know this so it’s clear that he got this leaked from Boras.
But to what end?
Last night when Heyman came out with that story that Tex’s signing was imminent but “with who?” you knew this was wrapping up and boras was giving it his final shot to up the ante, especially on boston.
This could be boras leaking information about the yanks to try to bleed the sox for as many dollars as possible.
It’s difficult to know. And I don’t see Tex giving some large discount to play for the yanks.
It’s still most likely going to be Boston. They have the money on the table and the resources to up their offer if needed, particularly given all of the money coming off their books.
Lost in Tex-is
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:23 pm
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....osts/35144
And you guys doubt me.
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woah. pete really is embedded. he’s doing cash’s negotiating w boras too!
Yankees aren’t trading Damon
“the Yankees apparently made a so-called “soft” offer to Teixeira before the winter meetings, but basically pulled it when the serious money/years became known.”
You can’t blame the Yankees to play on the well known fact that Tex prefers the Yankees first.. they threw some bait out there, that’s all.
Christmas drugs apparently.
I would be more inclined to believe this if it wasn’tfrom Boras’ biggest shill in the media, Jon Heyman.
When it comes to Boras clients, I believe nothing from Heyman.
“The two-time Gold Glove winner appears to seriously considering signing with New York.”
I know I’m one of those people that doesn’t want Teixeria, but I could totally see this coming. I had a dream, which woke me up, immediately went to see if Teixeira made a decision. However, I saw a “decision coming later today”.
a darn good permutation!
I can see if the difference is $10 million overall, Tex going to NY over Boston/Nats
projections tend to offer some insight into the future. Nate Silver is a stud, what he did with the 2006 mid term elections and the 2008 elections was outstanding. He got his start with baseball prospectus. He thought that the rays would be much better in 2008 back in Feb. of 08:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c......year0303/
And CB is correct, he said that the best thing going for them is their defense.
Where’s Bobcat when you need him.
i think if the yanks dont get texeira i absolulty believe the yanks sign manny i think the dominican newspaper might be right y in the world will the report it twice after cashman denied it so theres sumtin kinda weird here so if the yanks fail to sign texeira the yanks will get mannny
Harris,
I agree…I think the Yankees are driving the price up on the Sox and nothing more.
Excellent tactics if you ask me.
Wieters really sounds like he’s on another level. How did he fall all the way down to 5th in the draft? Honestly, from what I have heard I don’t even understand picking Price before him. Though with Price’s talent at least it’s semi logical. And teams like Pittsburgh can say that they didnt want to pay the ginormous signing bonus…but where were the Cubs on this one? They picked 2nd or 3rd that year, didn’t they?
Then again, the Cubs also traded Josh Hamilton to the Reds (or let him get away in rule 5?) for pretty much nothing, so who knows why they do anything they do.
Manny strikes FEAR in the opposition. He is the greatest postseason hitter of our generation. Teams don’t pitch to him. He gets better as the situation gets bigger and has that carefree attitude that never allows pressure to phase him.
Manny is a proven commodity and fits our need for a big bat that can HIT in the clutch and in the postseason. He makes everyone 10x better. Look what he did for Ortiz. Hell, look what he did for the young Dodgers hitters who were under .500 before he arrived.
Manny did wonders for the likes of Loney, Blake, Ethier, Kemp, etc. Imagine what he will do for Damon, A-Rod, Jeter, Matsui, Posada etc.?
Sign Manny, it is the only right decision.
CB-
I agree with you on the wins. 93 wins won’t win the East, and is a very uncomfortable number with respect to the wild card. Most fans have been thinking in terms of the Red Sox and the Rays, but Cleveland or Detroit could bounce back in the Central, and even Oakland might be a wild card factor in the West.
Could you tell from RLYB whether those win projections included Andy Pettitte or not? Andy is included in the AL East rotation comparison, but in discussing the offense earlier RLYB doesn’t say what assumptions are made with respect to the pitching staff. If the projections include Andy, who we probably won’t sign if we get Manny, then that’s a serious issue.
If the win totals don’t include Andy, then I like getting Manny even less. If you figure Andy gives us 1 additional win, then if you use RLYB’s projections Andy plus going back to get Cameron ought to project to more wins than getting Manny would, for less money and more overall flexibility. Andy + Cameron wouldn’t be as big a box office hit, though.
The Yanks’ issue is that Teixeira gives them so much more marginal bang for the buck than any other hitter out there. If it was always either CC or Tex, I can’t criticize Cashman, because CC probaby gives us more net wins than Tex would. But without Tex, I just don’t see a strategy that makes the Yanks an overwhelming favorite to make the playoffs, given the strong competition in the AL East and some good teams lurking in the weaver divisions.
It’s reflective of how far off the pace the Yanks had fallen by the end of 2008.
BBB
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 pm
“Not answering for CB, just wanting to add that, in about 2-3 years a swarm of outstanding young catchers are going to hit MLB like the shortstops hit in the 90s.”
GB7: And the best part is, at least one of them will be ours! Just like the shortstops in the 90s
Who are some of the others? I will keep an eye out for them. Is Teagarden in that class, or is he considered a notch below?
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Teagarden is a little older than the rest, but, he can hit. Yanks have 2 and maybe 3 (all between 19 and 20 years old)…depending on who NYY moves to another spot. They have Montero, Romine and maybe the best of the defensive catcher is Kyle Higashioka. He shoild be in Staten Island or maybe Charleston this coming year. Buster Posey for San francisco. Mauer is still the dream catcher. I know I’m missing somebody, so CB, SJ or Brandon can fill it in.
Question for those out here in the know.
HOW is Heymann “allowed” to basically be Boras with a keyboard? Since it seems everyone is aware of it, doesn’t it destroy any credibility he has as a journalist?
“If he does (leave money on the table to sign with the Yankees), what was this long protracted process about? It will end up having been a collossal waste of time and effort.”
Doreen,
I don’t think it will happen but if it does then what this long drawn out process will have been about is the Yankees completely refusing to play Boras’ game and side stepping him in the negotiations.
The length of the process will have been about the yankees believing they had leverage and could wait so they wouldn’t have to deal with boras and his nonsense.
Again, I don’t think it will happen – but if it were to I think that’s what the bottom line will be.
The yanks largely cut out boras and forced his client to come to them.
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....f=fromSIIn the race to sign Mark Teixeira, the Yankees are turning up the heat
As of 2:32 PM, MLBTR reports via Jon “Hey, Man” Heyman that the Yanks are in deep discussions with Teixeira.
daaaammmmn, this is getting good. Now we’re in “deep discussions:
“1:32pm: Heyman now has the Yanks in “deep discussions” with Tex; he says they’ve stepped up their efforts in recent hours.” – MLBTR
Count me on board with the belief that no Boras Disciple is leaving a higher offer on the table just to play for the Yankees, though. As far as I’m concerned, this is just Boras trying to get the Saux to raise their price above WAS’ out of fear that we’re seriously involved.
Go Nats go!
Hey where’s that Manny annoucement? I thought he was flying back from Brazil today to keep the business going!
thanks for the catching prospect 411 GB
NO HYPE
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:25 pm
GB7:
From memory, I remember a lot of groundballs up the middle and towards 1st that Cano clearly could have and should have gotten to that he missed. Remember when there were all those discussions about his motivation (lack thereof) on these groundball plays? I am sure Giambi didn’t help his stats regarding right center groundballs but he didn’t help his case any. I am not saying he is slow, I am saying his range leaves a lot to be desired. If that was a motivational problem or a physical problem is yet to be determined.
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And I remember plays and throws he made that no other 2nd baseman got close to making. It’s difficult to cover Giambi’s lack of range and Jeter’s lack of range to his left at the same time.
If I were Heyman and wanted to stir people crazy I’d say the Yankees are in deep number discussions, I mean why wouldn’t you take my word, I could tell you Tex farted if I were Heyman and you people would take it serious, this the same guy that told us CC wasn’t coming here.
Zolio
i 100% agree with u with that
Heyman is a Boras puppet. I am sure Tex will sign here, and I will now have to take that back haha.
I think Heyman turned over his SI login and password to Boras last week.
Jon is drinking mai-tais at a warm sandy beach as we discuss his columns.
“The Yanks’ issue is that Teixeira gives them so much more marginal bang for the buck than any other hitter out there. ”
Agreed. And I’m also certain Cashman knows this and and angled it out extensively.
He does say nothing when he speaks but he says it in a different way than he used to years ago.
I can tell listening to him that he’s looking at statistical models and considering data. Just small things he says. Praising Damon’s defense as a big plus and runs saver. Things like that. His flat refusal to have anything to do with abreu.
But it’s now about making the money work and it looks like it’s unlikely to be a fit despite the marginal advantages.
Those projections of runs allowed did include Andy.
Here’s the pitching links – there were two models he ran:
Cairo Model:
http://www.replacementlevel.co.....l_east_now
The staff looks unbelievably impressive. I was very surprised to see them look this good. Better than I was even guessing off the top of my head in terms of runs allowed/prevented.
I’ll send the link to the second model (CHONE) in my next post – don’t think two links go through the filter.
It really is hard to believe, but it smells alot like the A-rod signing when, we were led to believe he was going to Boston but they failed in negotiations…the 1st time, not when he opted out..
Heyman never said CC wouldn’t come here. He had us as the favorites to land CC for months. He always said we’d have the highest offer and money talks and he didn’t think CC would walk away from it.
Heyman was pretty much the only one who stayed with CC coming here throughout while Sherman, Madden, Grazziano, Olney, Gammons etc. basically discouraged him coming here.
I’d love for this Heyman stuff to be right and that Yanks really are going hard after Teixeira, but this just stinks of a Boras ploy to give the Red Sox one last scare.
Possible: Sales tactics for Boras trying to see if he can bump the Sox..
Possible: The Yankees don’t want to risk losing Tex (money aside, he fits in perfectly) and him going to Boston makes that even worse.
Reality:
We all will know the truth of this very soon.
IMHO:
Tex is tired and wants to be done with all this. If the Yanks are for real about a realistic offer.. his mind is made up.
Could it be that during the past couple of quiet Yankee weeks Cashman was:
1. working trade scenarios for Swisher to a NL team
2. putting a hold on Cameron
all because he knew if the two above were completed, Tex would be a better financial fit???
If the rumors are true, that means to me that earlier reports of the Yankees feeling comfortable with Melky and/or Gardner are also probably true. Potentially, also a comfort level with Hughes and/or Aceves.
By signing Tex it would almost guarantee a starting spot for Gardner/Melky. They will not bring on any more payroll. They would likely trade for a bag of balls some combination of Damon and Matsui. They may explore ways to trade for some useful parts Swisher and/or Nady.
I do not know if a signing would preclude Pettite coming back – unless he wants a one year deal to get another ring (at the Yankees price). Otherwise, no way to Lowe or Sheets.
Interesting stuff!!
Wave,
second projections model link below. it was very good to see them agree.
Big difference between them – CHONE includes the team defense as part of the projection I believe. So this gives a sense of runs prevented accounting for the yanks defense vs. sox and rays.
Even with that big advantage to the yanks:
http://www.replacementlevel.co.....ne_edition
Someone, please get Mike Francesca on the phone. ASAP!
haven’t been here in a while. too many vacation days to use up. did i miss anything?
to those who’ve helped with fantasy football roster advice, thanks. i won
“Yanks trade Matsui and Hughes to SF for Lincecum.”
Are you on crack? You seriously think the Giants would do that?
So while it’s easy to say, “Go get Manny or Tex,” the reality is that a $150 million deal for Mark Teixeira is really a $210 million deal.
WRONGGGGGGGGGGGG
WRONGGGGGGGGGGGG
WRONGGGGGGGGGGGG
Luxury tax is on this years salary. Say he’s paid $18 mill this year. It’s really a $25.2 million contract. Luxury tax for the years after depend on the salaries of the team for those year.
This is the first time that Heyman has said we are seriously engaged and in deep discussions. For the past month, he said we were interested but were on the outside looking in.
This is new info obviously and this is where Heyman is good… when the posturing is over and the negotiations are hitting the home stretch, he gets the info straight from Boras unfiltered. He is a Boras schill for most of the negotiation, but now is when Heyman is very useful, when he has actual info.
I have to figure if the decision is nearing today, then the posturing is over. Either that or the Yankees waited until the 11th hour and 50th minute to drive up the price for Boston, which seems kind of late in the negotiation to do it.
CB -
Yes – on the Yankees end, if they get Tex for closer to what they wanted to pay for him, then this process was about that.
But I was really looking from Teixeira/Boras’ side. If Tex really wanted the Yankees in the first place, then this is all a charade.
I don’t understand why a player can’t say, “Hey, Mr. Agent Man, I want to play for Team A. Make it happen.” And just provide some limited parameters regarding a minimum salary and minimum term. Unless he’s just looking for a huge payday. In which case, the Nationals should be the winners here.
Some one said Buster Onley is reporting that the Yanks are in negotiations with Tex people, on the ticker that streams on the bottom of ESPN..I don’t have TV here at work, is that true?
“Wieters really sounds like he’s on another level. How did he fall all the way down to 5th in the draft?”
Price was the absolutely right pick to make. The other teams will regret it immensely, especially KC.
A couple of teams passed on wieters because they were scared off by boras. Always happens.
But the royals drafted Mike Moustakkas a boras guy and paid him around what Wieters got.
Moustakkas could be very good but passing on wieters is something a franchise doesn’t necessarily ever fully recover from.
Yanks luxury tax goes to other, less wealthy teams. This means part of the luxury tax NY’s been paying has been partly funding teams like Tampa. Until this year that was no big deal. Now they’ve established themselves as a contender and they’re loaded with young, inexpensive players they’ll have under their contractual for years to come. How much of that was paid for by the luxury tax on Giambi & Pavano alone? I don’t know. How much of that went towards Tampa players like BJ Upton, Kazmir, Price, Longoria? I have no idea about that too.
Wouldn’t surprise me if the portion Tampa eventually gets from the Yanks luxury tax on either one if those albatross contracts alone could pay for a couple of their prospects’ signing bonuses and their progression through the minors, if not a rookie salary too.
If the Yanks are going to go over the luxury tax by a significant amount they really have to think about what it gives the other teams 5-10 years down the road as well as what it gives NY in that same window of time. At this point, signing another free agent for 15-25 million puts anywhere from 6-10 million in that till, and that’s just this year alone.
Is it worth doing that for a guy who’ll be here only 3 years before he just retires and counts all his money for the next 4 decades? And 4 year out, we’ve got nothing while Tampa has another stud or two at least partly funded by NY bucks who’s kicking butt and taking names for another 5-10 years?
It could be worth it if the investment is wise. Tiexiera would be a wiser investment than Manny if you could only choose between the two. He’d be helping the team compete against those hypothetical prospects beyond 5 years, maybe up to 8 or whatever he would get.
Yeah Giambi was 7 years but he wasn’t helping compete against those guys up to expectations for most of them. Tiexiera’s not the same as Giambi … he’s not the one-dimensional player Giambi is and he’s not coming to the table with PED-inflated stats. I’d be willing to gamble that Tiexiera would be more productive in the 2nd half of his contract than Giambi was in the 2nd half of his.
Or maybe sticking with Swisher and taking the risk on Baldelli could actually be better. I don’t know though .. I don’t know enough of all the finances or Baldelli’s ‘revised’ medical condition.
Wherever he makes a comeback, Baldelli’s would be a nice story though.
Just because we are in “deep talks” with Boras, doesn’t meant we’re going to get Teixeria.
We could be setting up perimeters but trying to get him at a discount like Beltran, but can’t reach a deal because of the money and lose out on him.
Of course, when you are this far in the negotiation and you are the Yankees with the money to trump any offer, you usually can’t miss out on your man. Is $5-$10 million really going to keep Teixeria from you when you are a money making machine with the new stadium?
People can take cheapshots at all the columnists they want – Olney, Heyman, Rosenthal, etc. – but teams’ pursuits of free agents are fluid. They can change on a dime. One team’s in, another team’s out, and on goes the merry-go round.
It’s got to be one of the toughest jobs in sportswriting, procuring the right sources. Everyone seems to think the Heymans and Olneys of thw world are throwing something up against the wall and hoping it will stick.
Instead, they are probably doing their best to cover a story that’s developing rapidly and changing by the minute.
Whether the Yankees have made a serious offer to Teixeira or not, no one on this board knows that for sure. That’s the only thing I am sure of.
ESPN News Ticker: “Boston or Nationals likely destination for Mark Teixera”
“Who are some of the others? I will keep an eye out for them. ”
There are a lot of good young catchers right now. Wieters of course. Buster Posey is very good. The texas trio – Salty, Teagarden, Ramirez (though not sure if he’s really a catcher…). Montero.
This may sound strange – however – after Wieters another name to keep in mind is Bryce Harper.
Now Harper just finished his sophomore year in high school so take this with a grain of salt.
But even as a sophmmore he was considered by many to be the best high school player in the country.
He’s considered to be the most talented high school player since Justin Upton and some have put him in the ARod/ Griffey Jr. level of high school prospect.
And he’s a catcher.
Bob,
These days, websites and some media outlets just want content on their sites. They will take rumors and/or unsourced stories. They want the hits on their site and they know rumors create hits.
Other outlets, like the Journal News for example, do not allow unsourced stories to hit their sites.
NO HYPE:
Thanks..
The Mad Prince in Pinstripes
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Harris,
I agree…I think the Yankees are driving the price up on the Sox and nothing more.
Excellent tactics if you ask me.
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I don’t see it this way Why would we drive up the price at this time for maybe 5-10 million? Will that really impact the Red Sox roster flexibility in the next few years?
I think we are in this to win it as we know Tex wants to be a Yankee. Now it’s just a matter of working out the contract parameters so it works for us this year and him long term.
Go Cash !!!
Personally, I’m rooting for the Evil Empire to swoop down and grab Tiexiera after stealthfully lurking all these weeks.
Not to mention, that would leave Mr Ramirez scrambling for offers from other teams.
Just curious who is the most creditable Baseball source?
I do not believe anything at all that comes from Payman’s mouth.
Is there ANY OTHER SOURCE anywhere that has the Yanks in on this? Anyone? Bueller?
Cry me a river about tax. Welcome to America! SIGN TEX!!!
The luxury tax is lame. At least it should have a cost of living adjustment for the teams in more expensive cities. For instance a $1 million salary in Manhattan is equivalent to $420,606 in Tampa. I know the players aren’t thinking about that much but I think the tax is weaksauce. If Tampa was spending at the cutoff for the luxury tax it would be equivalent to $376 million in New York. The Yankees are well below that.
This is new from Heyman…
In the race to sign Mark Teixeira, the Yankees are turning up the heat.
The Yankees are in deep discussions with Teixeira, in what is now an attempt to beat out the rival Red Sox for Teixeira’s services. The Teixeira sweepstakes is considered to be a three-team battle with the Nationals still involved. However, the Yankees’ talks have turned serious in recent hours, as the team appears to be stepping up its attempts to lure the free-agent slugger to New York.
The Red Sox remain hopeful to sign Teixeira, who hit .308 with 33 home runs and 121 RBIs in 2008, as a middle-of-the order hitter to replace Manny Ramirez.
CB-
In looking at RLYB’s pitcher projections, I’m a little concerned about the strong projections both CHONE and CAIRO give to Chamberlain and Hughes. I guess I should be happy but overall those projections worry me.
I’m pretty sure within a year or two Chamberlain will be one of the best starting pitchers in the majors, but projecting him to have an ERA in the low 3′s next year feels aggressive to me. Same with Hughes having so many innings in the low fours.
If Chamberlain and Hughes aren’t that good next year, then the pitching win advantage shrinks.
Which means getting more offense is still important.
These stories don’t change by the minute at all.
You don’t enter 150+ million dollar negotiations on a whim. They also don’t conclude in a day or so.
Columnists write as if these things “change by the minute”.
The reality is, they don’t. Teams are actively engaged with players/agents and while everyone tries to build drama (Boras does it to jack up his price), most GM’s have a pretty good idea where the numbers will fall with players when all is said and done.
“But I was really looking from Teixeira/Boras’ side. If Tex really wanted the Yankees in the first place, then this is all a charade.”
Doreen,
Yes much of this is simply a charade and done to try to create leverage.
There’s always the hope that you’ll find a Tom Hicks.
But in general it’s to try to get teams to feel desperate and make the free agent a guy they have to have.
It only takes one team to do that for the whole auction to explode and to get bidding to spiral.
Tex will make a lot of money. But whether it’s the yankees laying low, boston refusing to bid against itself, or the angels pulling out when they knew they were being played – Boras doesn’t seem to have been able to get the process to enter the spiraling upwards trajectory.
Other than the nats it doesn’t seem like too many teams upped their bids that much.
Each assessed the market and there seems to be a consensus on what tex is worth.
It still going to be the sox. But it’s gotten more interesting.
ESPN also had Damon as the starting RF in their hot stove projections. Let’s just assume that only a few people there know anything about baseball besides “over the fence = Home Run”.
Yankees sign Tex and Manny might as well stay in Brazil.
He’ll have both LA teams bidding for him in 5.00$ increments.
ESPN just reported that its a 2 team race between Nats and Sox according to Olney?
Could this just be granting Gammons wish as a Yankees Tex signing could invoke a stroke for Pete before Christmas?
The latest report from the Angels is that they are very lukewarm about signing Ramirez and are looking at better options for them.
“I’m a little concerned about the strong projections both CHONE and CAIRO give to Chamberlain and Hughes. ”
Projection models – almost all of them – put huge premiums on strike outs. Also ground balls. That’s why hughes projects so well – 2007 strike out rate was very good.
But I agree there’s uncertainty there. However, SG had hughes as the 6th pitcher. So his expected contribution is marginal.
All that said they need another bat. There’s no doubt. a 93 win team is not something they should got into the season with.
We’ll see. That’s why I thought that report from Kat O’Brien was so notable. She said the team wanted to keep the budget the same in 2009 – 209M rather than cut it.
That may not be true, but if it is, that suggest to me they know they need a bat.
“ESPN just reported that its a 2 team race between Nats and Sox according to Olney?”
that was 2 hours ago. now its a 3 team race.
Funny you should mention that Wave, SG often says that the projection for Joba is probably too optimistic. I’m not sure if he accounted for more realistic numbers for Joba in his pitching overview but he has in the past.
NNY gets Teixeira?
NYM get Ramirez?
Come on Cash be a man show some cojones and tell this guy like Micheal Jackson said “Just Beat It”
GB7: to me, the Mets are the perfect home for Manny, always were.
and Minaya is a Manny guy… they could use a splash going into 2009, and if the Saux and Yanks are out of the Manny sweepstakes, Minaya might get him at a nice discount.
Most of the reports that changed it to a 3 team race began at 14:00, or 2:00pm for you non-military people..
I’d be happier if Manny was on the Mets.
I don’t see how the Mets would sign Manny… he is just brutal in the field and the Mets couldn’t offer a DH spot (which is what he is at this point). But if they’re willing to forgo offense over defense, then Minaya is all in for next year.
“Most of the reports”
For what its worth I think only Heyman has reported this.
GreenBeret7:
That is very possible..
56Bomber:
You are correct, Onley only hinted at it.
Tex will cost yanks 8/165m … opt out after 3 yrs
Brian Cashman (AKA: Brain) Has been pitching Tampa (Not the team) that offense is a major area of concern. This has nothing to do with pitching.. when you compartmentalize the issues and just say, “We are only going to focus on this single compartment” You end up lopsided.
Brain was not sure if he wanted his job back.. he took it back with the conclusion that the Yankees are going to go for it full-steam ahead.. just because you hear something in the press, doesn’t mean that is actually the thinking behind closed doors.
Of Brains strong points is that he can maneuver. The old tactic of “dis-information”.. keep every one focused on B before you attempt to attack A. Cashman has wanted a bat for a long time now..
he is about to get his wish.
Angels GM Tony Reagins said,
“Manny Ramirez will not play for the Angels in 2009, or beyond, for that matter.”
What is the market for Ramirez right now? The Dodgers and Yankees? He might have to settle for a 2 year contract.
market for manny is limited…..angels are saying on MLBTRADERUMORS…that manny will not be with them in 2009……You can bet if tex doesn’t sign with yanks…manny may be an option
ESPN just did a great little special on Bernie Williams. If you get a chance to watch it later do so.
TurnTwo
December 23rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
GB7: to me, the Mets are the perfect home for Manny, always were.
and Minaya is a Manny guy… they could use a splash going into 2009, and if the Saux and Yanks are out of the Manny sweepstakes, Minaya might get him at a nice discount.
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The last ESPN flash crawler that I saw was that the Angels weren’t interested in Ramirez, but, wanted another bat. I’d bet on Washington and the Mets jumping on a bargin if NYY pulled off a Teixeira signing. That’s the best that Boras could hope for under those circumstances.
“What is the market for Ramirez right now? The Dodgers and Yankees? He might have to settle for a 2 year contract.”
And Mets. But at this rate he’s gonna be a good deal for someone.
if boras is holding out for another buck from the red sox, he has more patience than i do…..heyman’s story may have some credibility
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
breaking news
“I’d bet on Washington and the Mets jumping on a bargin if NYY pulled off a Teixeira signing.”
not a bad thought, and they’ll certainly have cash to spend if they dont get Tex.
though i heard that Dunn and Orlando Hudson were their fallbacks if they didnt get Tex…
but Manny would help get butts in the seats where Dunn and Hudson dont exactly spark the same kind of interest.
Yankees On Verge Of Signing Mark Teixeira
By Tim Dierkes [December 23 at 2:19pm CST]
According to Jon Heyman, the Yankees are on the verge of signing Mark Teixeira.
heyman is saying yankees are on the verge of signing tex
2 sources say Tex is a Yankee 0n ESPN 1050 Buster Olney
All reports have been that the Mets aren’t willing to pay Manny. Minaya has said several times that it isn’t very likely that Ramirez will be a Met.
Please tell me we didn’t go 160 + on him, according to Heyman we got him.
oh man, oh man, oh man.
go Cash go!!
ESPNEWS SCROLL SAYS TEX AGREES TO SIGN WITH THE YANKS!!!!!!
Teixeira agrees to deal with NYY
Yankees just signed Tex
espn breaking news yanks get tex
Heyman reporting the Yanks are signing Tex. I really hope this is true
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
heyman = boras mouthpiece
translation:
“Hey Boston! You want Tex? Come pay $200 mil.”
I don’t believe it. I will eat my words if this is true.
“According to Jon Heyman, the Yankees are on the verge of signing Mark Teixeira.”
mlbtraderumors.com
HOLY CRAPPPPPPPPPP!
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....g-teixeira
GO CASH GO!!!
LET’S GET IT, BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG!!!!!!! CASHMAN RULES!
Oh snap! Tex is a Yankee?
Aron baka,
Wow!
This is even beyond Heyman’s usual “Boras mouthpiece” motif.
He’s sort of going out on a limb with this one. Credibility is at stake. I’ll be happy though.
Damn the torpedoes (payroll)! Full speed ahead!
Gammons and ESPN will be unlistenable for a week
OLNEY REPORTS TEX IS A YANK
i cant believe wat i just saw this is great
8-year, $180M deal !!! WTF are you thinking ! God that is seriously over paying this guy.
If this is all true, what does this do for Nady/Swisher?
*Gammons and ESPN will be unlistenable for a week*
ha! you’re not kidding, GB.
the Saux will have to go back to being “the little engine that could”.
Holy (**& yes, my 1st option I cannot believe it….YES, YES
I’m guessing Swisher will now move to the OF.
If this is true then I’d really like to hear from all of those Yankee fans who say Cashman is a bad GM and not nearly the genius that Theo is to show up and discuss this signing.
If this is true this will be one of the best negotiations by any team in the history of free agency.
Wow! What
Holy sh-t…
mind boggling.. they better get rid of Matsui and others wholly cr-p.
Tex is like Arod and stat dude phony who cares only about greenbacks..
He is a very good but not great player, holy moly..
Is everyone as happy as I am right now?
Georgia holds a lot of weight, but Mark has made his childhood dream a reality.
WOW, I was just going to ask who would break the story. I guess being a schill allows Heyman some nice benefits.
If this is true, this is a great day in Yankeeville
Merry Christmas everyone
thank god
i don’t want this guy.
How can the Yanks be close to a deal but Heyman doesn’t even know for how much?!! Sounds alittle weird. I hope this is not just to get Boston back involved…
8 years/180 million
I LOVE YOU CASHMAN!!!
Pete… wake up, Pete.
Rise and shine.
CHRISTMAS CAME EARLY!!!!!!
what will cash do next?
It’s all over ESPN
YEEEESSSSSSSS
So there were a few of us who were right after all…..
Nothing to say about this signing they overpaid
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....a/?cnn=yes
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Ahem….SJ44 ???…..LOL
I’m still waiting for pete to confirm this before I believe anything that comes out of Heyman’s mouth(piece).
Heyman says 8/$180
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
Great Oden’s Raven!
I will never question Jon Heyman ever again
“If this is true this will be one of the best negotiations by any team in the history of free agency.”
That’s a bit of an exaggeration. 8 years/180 million?
Freaking insane move by Cashman if this is true. I still don’t believe Heyman.
espn reporting the signing
worse comes to worse, Swisher is our OFer:
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....7303227996
Mark Bronxeira!!!!!
the deal is 8years 180 full no trade claus
Even signing Pettitte will keep the payroll just under last year’s.
CB,
I’ve been a huge Cashman critic, but I’ve backed off this off season. My off season plan was sign CC, AJ and Manny or Tex and he’s already accomplished 2/3 and added Swisher while subtracting Betemit (who I hated as a player).
If he lands Tex and this is true, he’s had one of the best off seasons on paper for any GM. It’s not about acknowledging who your targets are, it’s about landing them.
People may blame the economy for this good fortune for the Yanks, but he’s doing the job I wished he would have done last year for the final year in Yankee stadium.
I’ve got no beef with him now.
“If this is true this will be one of the best negotiations by any team in the history of free agency.”
CB, how do you figure? They are still paying a huge contract with full NTC and probably other options/perks for Tex. I find it hard to believe that Boras wouldnt’ give the Sox a chance to match OR that Tex really did want to be a Yankee.. in which case it wasn’t so much the negotiation as it was in the cards for the Yanks.
I will be pleased if they sign him but this is still a pretty hefty sum. Being from Boston, I can’t wait to hear the local radio stations tomorrow if it does happen. Just enough to get the whiny spirit out of Boston fans just in time for XMas…
SJ44
As I said earlier anything is possible…
Its a Festivus miracle!
Too many years. Why?
Great move, and the right one. Like this MUCH better than A-Rod signing
If signing Teixeira doesn’t bring a championship and an attendant windfall, the Yankees can always tap the government for a bailout. So not signing him is not an option.
to make this team the best in major league baseball sign manny this will be the best offseason i ever seen
Pat M.
Congrats!! You know baseball better than just about anyone here and you never waivered.
You were always certain that Tex was the man to get and that the yankees would do it.
What a signing. Just unbelievable.
Think about how radically Cashman has overhauled this team in the past two years.
Brilliant.
8/180
22 million per season…this is ridiculously overpaying.
does this make us the team to beat?
“Its a Festivus miracle!”
AMAZING
8 yrs 170 mill espn tv just said
Assuming you can’t trade Matsui…
Can we trade Nady (1 yr left before a Free agent) in a deal for a legitimate young CF?
Damon – LF
New CF – CF
Swisher – RF
I think I will now go cry in my beer!
Bad time for Pete to be at the movies.
seriously….what do you do with Swisher now?
I’d rather play Damon in CF and Swisher in right, Nady in left.
That is your best defensive alignment.
So, uh, about this whole not-signing-the-big-free-agent thing we were all set to go about?
Brandon, the fair price is the market price. How is it overpaying if other teams were within 3-5 million of that offer.
I guess Heyman may be more credible then some said.
I knew I would eat my words about Heyman.
There will be no hassle of any kind who will wear No. 25.
Source: Teixeira, Yanks agree to 8-year deal
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3790141
WOW
“he’s had one of the best off seasons on paper for any GM.”
I like Cash a lot, but the fact that they payed top dollar and then some for free agents needs to be taken into consideration. No doubt Cashman did the best anybody could when taking all circumstances into consideration. However, they dropped a boatload of money to get these guys. If Burnett pans out, wow… but that is a big IF to give out that kind of contract. CC was a great signing. Tex is getting too much $$ but he seems pretty low risk as well.
If they do get Tex, Pete, myself, and many others will be cleaning egg off of our faces for Xmas.
TEX IS A YANKEE
what were you saying, Pete?
“seriously….what do you do with Swisher now?”
move to the OF, Nady will be traded.
If there was any doubt about it, he just had to reiterate this undeniable fact that for those who doubted him:
Brian Cashman is a ninja.
THE ninja, to be exact.
CC Sabathia $160 million
AJ Burnett $85 million
Mark Teixeira $180 million
Swooping in at the last minute and taking Tex from the Red Sox…………………………………PRICELESS
Swisher is our new RF? Either that – or some good trade bait.
I have to go with Brandon on this one… Tex is not worth 22.5 mil.
wow…this goes to show for all the people that were pilling on john heyman….i think 8 years is way to much, but the fan side of me loves this…teixera isnt the best thing to happen to the world. but he is pretty darn good
Someone care to mock up a batting order for next season?
“Assuming you can’t trade Matsui…
Can we trade Nady (1 yr left before a Free agent) in a deal for a legitimate young CF?
Damon – LF
New CF – CF
Swisher – RF”
I think Damon is going to try and CF full time for his walk year.
Nady LF
Damon CF
Swish RF
Guiseppe Franco December 11th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
There’s a lot of Yankee fans who really need a dose of reality.
Neither Manny Ramirez nor Mark Teixeira are coming to the Bronx. It’s not going to happen.
The strategy this entire offseason was to do two things:
A.) Upgrade the rotation
B.) Upgrade their defense
This club has never shown any real interest in either Teixeira or Manny since Day 1.
If the reports are true and Burnett gets signed, Pettitte returns, and Cameron becomes the new center fielder – they would have accomplished most of their goals.
This team does not have an unlimited payroll – contrary to what many believe – and they are not going to add another big slugger.
With the new and expected additions to CF and the rotation – this club is significantly better than last year.
The only thing that might keep them out of the postseason is health because they will have a rotation that can stack up with anybody in baseball.
Damon
Jeter
Tex
Arod
Matsui
Posada
Nady
Cano
Swish
This isn’t even fun…
If the Yankees don’t win the World Series, this year, next year, etc…our team will be a gigantic joke.
ray (sox fan)
December 23rd, 2008 at 3:31 pm
I think I will now go cry in my beer!
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If Fenway catches fire tonight, the police will be looking for you. Lay low.
oh boy. its a yankee holiday for sure…. pete???
so is it arod up 3rd or tex?
I think Max Kellerman is doing a dance of joy right now on the air on 1050 ESPN
While 22.5 million is a lot (and probably more than he is worth), I’d rather have a great defensive first baseman with power than 3 years of Manny Ramirez or overpaying for Holliday next season.
Swisher is better than Nady…. if anyone gets traded of the two, it’s Nady.
Swisher is actually excellent in right field.
Why would you trade Nady and not Swisher? Nady is perfect for this team, Swisher is coming off the worst year of his career.
“Nady LF
Damon CF
Swish RF”
or just have Swish in LF.
Nadys not getting traded
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Tex 1B
A-Rod 3b
Matsui DH
Nady RF
Cano 2B
Posada C
Swisher CF
they aren’t trading Swisher or Nady.. Get it out of your heads
Its all over the Yankees Board – its all over ESPN — Welcome to NY TEX.
I cant believe it — what do we do with swisher now. Im not sure if im happy or sad. I cant wait to see gammons have a stroke on tv.
I guess we really are the evil empire.
Kellerman is awesome
Love these little stats he gives out
the deal is 8/170 + full no-trade
You can’t knock Cashman and the Yankees for spending the money on Tex and AJ when “genius” GM’s like Theo and Schuerholtz in ATL were lusting after those players offering top dollar contracts.
The only thing Cashman did that those GM’s didn’t do was CLOSE.
He, in no way, should be knocked for being a closer when other GM’s were willing to spend serious coin on these players.
WOW WOW WOW! Here come all the haters crying in their beer!
Can’t wait for Pete’s “OMG, who could have seen this coming” post. You know who, Pete? Yankee fans. People who have been following the team for years. Just because you have the privilege of being lied to face-to-face by Brian Cashman doesn’t mean you know more than us.
Yankees signed Texeira?
That’s something I did not expect…
“I think I will now go cry in my beer!”
Ray, I can’t wait to hear EEI today and tomorrow if this is true.
The Sox can have a mega-discount on their choice of Burrell or Dunn at least.
The sad thing is that according to most, the Yankees needed all 3 of the top FA in order to pass the Red Sox as favorites.
TEX!!!!!! SI reports 180. ESPN reports 170. What is pete reporting?
Damon
Jeter
Tex
Arod
Matsui
Posada
Nady
Cano
Swish
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Wow. Just… wow!
TEX TEX TEX TEX TEX
Changes by the minute? Well, maybe not always. But sometimes, I guess it does.
Buster Olney and Jon Heyman (despite his ties to Boras) are both excellent reporters. And they both did a superb job.
Holy crap. This is unbelieveable.
Cashman is the man.
harwood – A-Rod 3, Teix 4 – UNBELIEVABLE protection for A-Rod
OH CRAP. we now have the 4 HIGHEST PAID PLAYERS IN ALL OF BASEBALL.
Battle down your ear plugs the hate is going to flow at us now.
“Swisher is coming off the worst year of his career.”
because Swisher is controllable, and Nady is going to be a free agent. Swisher is a better defender.
Damon
Jeter
Teixeira
Arod
Posada
Matsui
Nady
Cano
Swisher/Gardner/Cabrera
This move is like double mint – double the pleasure.
Fills a gaping hole on the Yankees!
Keeps Tex AND Ramirez from the Red Sox!
Where do the Sox go to get a bat, certainly not Manny.
A brilliant move – overpay a bit for Texeira because you keep him from the competition.
i cannot believe it…really…cannot believe it
Great job Cashman!! We just went from a 3rd place team to a 1st place team in 3 months! I agree with whoever said “IN YOUR FACE PETE!!” LOL.
Seriously, great blog though. Keep up the good work…you can’t be right on everything though.
Just play Swisher in center… not a big deal.
Swisher isin’t great in center (he is very good at the corners though), but he is better than Damon.
That’s all that matters
Speechless would be the understatement of the year to describe how I feel right now. Can this even really be real?????
Does anyone know the number of times in the last month Pete said the Yankees won’t sign Tex? Anyone? Anyone?
Lol
“or just have Swish in LF.”
Swish is good in RF
*He, in no way, should be knocked for being a closer when other GM’s were willing to spend serious coin on these players.*
agreed.
4 x 4,
I agree. Kellerman is great in spots like this… he can hardly contain his excitement
Teixeira for $21 mil a year could end up having more impact on the Yankees chances than CC considering they are keeping him from the Red Sox and Angels.
What a great day. I was hoping for this all year long. Didn’t think it would happen after the Burnett deal, but you have to be crazy not to like this move.
I wonder if maybe some of that afternoon push didn’t come from George Steinbrenner, or, maybe for George.
” seriously….what do you do with Swisher now “?
…………………………………..
Swisher has played CF before. Count on a lot of time spent with him in spring training to make him a better one. If appears that an OF will be the odd man out.
A 40-man roster change forthcoming.
Can’t we just give Damon an arm-transplant and have him continue to play center?
LOL! OMG! This team has too much money! I can’t imagine losing too many games this season. Oh man, this is going to be amazing!!! It’s like a fantasy team.
Is ESPN right? THey are saying the Yanks got Teixeira!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG please let this be true.
“That’s a bit of an exaggeration. 8 years/180 million?”
It’s not simply the total money. That’s not what i was referring to. I was referring to the process of negotiation.
Cashman forced Boras to come to him in order to get the deal his client wanted done.
Cashman completely owned Boras in this negoitiation. Owned him.
He completely held leverage – and that’s what negotiations are about. Gaining leverage.
And in this case Cashman monopolized it.
What GM has so utterly refused to play Boras’s games to this degree and still got the player signed?
After the ARod incident last year, Tex was Boras’ prized client. I’m sure Boras has been planning for Tex on the market for years. And this would have been his chance to reset the market on this terms.
People are going to talk about the money – whatever it winds up being.
But the yankees have never, ever been a team that haggles. They are more than willing to pay fair market prices for players.
They have no problem with that – they will pay what the market bears.
But what boras wants is for the market to spiral upwards Tom Hicks style.
Instead of getting into a huge bidding war with the Sox Cashman held his cards and forced Boras to come to him.
If you think $170-180m is a lot – consider the alternative. How much would tex have made if the Yanks and Boston truly got into a all out auction?
Tex would have broken $200-220M if both teams started going at each other.
But Cashman kept his leverage and refused to get into a bidding war.
Instead Boras came to him at the end of the process – when the market was fully matured – and they signed Tex for what emerged as his true market value.
That is fantastic negotiating, particularly when Boras is the opponent.
lost in Tex-is I’m on my iPhone at the mall, but good call on Tex, I was wrong. This is insanity. Who gets traded now?
Wow!
So…
Can we please win the World Series in 2009? Thanks
We seriously need to lose more often
So are we still getting Manny?
ImpactoDeportivo said he is in Brazil and on his way to a press conference Monday or Tuesday
“Swish is good in RF”
because of the video, I posted? lol
wow….Tex in the line up….8 years maybe too many
Nady’s trade value is at its peak. Swisher’s is pretty low. I believe they’re both FA’s next year. IF you were going to try to get something of value, Nady would be the bait, not Swisher. If you’re just looking for a replacement piece, then Swisher would move. (or Melky/Gardner). It’s minor stuff now tho so I don’t think anyone’s going to sweat it much.
I don’t think anyone needs to be traded. Swisher doesn’t need to play every single day, Matsui won’t need to play DH every single day, Damon will need a day off perhaps once a week. Nady doesn’t need to play every single day. I think there’s room for everyone, and I think our bench problem just got solved.
it’s all over… man i wonder if manny will be at the press conference HAAAAAA
Did Manny leave Brazil to finish up business now that Tex has signed?
No Pettitte now, right?
aaaahhhhhh I hate not having cable here, I SO want to hear Gammons right now!!! Can anyone provide a juicy blow by blow please???
Hahhahaha I hope this is true just because I couldn’t stand all the articles you have written Pete that you were “certain” the Yankees wouldn’t add him or Manny.
HAHHAHAHA LOVVVVVVVVVE IT!!!!!!!!!
Boston Dave
December 23rd, 2008 at 3:36 pm
“I think I will now go cry in my beer!”
“Ray, I can’t wait to hear EEI today and tomorrow if this is true.
The Sox can have a mega-discount on their choice of Burrell or Dunn at least.
The sad thing is that according to most, the Yankees needed all 3 of the top FA in order to pass the Red Sox as favorites”
Hey Boston Dave. It will be interesting to see how Boston attempts to respond to the signing of CC, Burnett, and Tex.
You guys are loaded….guess my only consolation is that they will be a ton of pressure on the Yankees to perform this year.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....ent-624706
I told you guys at 3:14 that Cash was about get his wish.. but you didn’t believe me.
I have to drop off this blog forever now.
Thanks for the fun!
Ramirez in Washington could be his best deal. He could win a Triple Crown. They could also challenge Phillies/Mets for a second spot when and if their new pitchers come around.
*A 40-man roster change forthcoming.*
yeah… i think they can afford to designate Shelly Duncan to make room for Tex, no?
good god. if this is true, you gotta admire the balls of the yanks. ignoring the haters!
Guys! REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION!
How many countries have GDPs smaller than that of the Yankees’ corner ourtfielders?
Opening Day Lineup:
1. Johnny Damon- LF
2. Derek Jeter- SS
3. A-Rod- 3B
4. TEX- 1B
5. Xavier Nady- RF
6. Matsui- DH
7. Posada- C
8. Cano- 2B
9. Swisher- CF
CHYEAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Ed,
His best position was always one of the corners, especially right field. Atleast thats what Chi Sox fans said on their board after the trade.
Waiting on the apology from SJ44……
“We seriously need to lose more often”
Yep expecially if this is the result.
It’s sweet. Maybe Hal and Hank are spending to open the new stadium well and give one more to the old man while he can appreciate it.
We got Teixeira!
No we seem like a champion team!
Damon Cf
Jeter SS
Nady Lf
A-Rod 3B
Teixeira 1B
Matsui DH
Possada C
Cano 2B
Swicher RF
*I think there’s room for everyone, and I think our bench problem just got solved.*
i actually agree… unless Cashman gets a great offer for Nady or Swisher, i think both are on this team, and it helps strengthen the bench.
I have to agree with other posters… anything short of a WS title now is going to look pretty bad next year. Another “Yankees trying to buy another title” filled year…
I HOPE there is no opt out clause in this
Oh and Brandon..
You did “Mark it down” right? I remember that you did.
Slowly we’re becoming the Texas Rangers…. with Pitching!
Uh oh AL.
I’d still like to see Manny though!
Yankees just signed Big Tex:
http://bfadds.blogspot.com/200.....s-170.html
I am Die Hard Yankee fan., Get that straight.
There will never be a salary cap in baseball, and as a result the Yankees are playing by the rules. Since having soo much money off the cap, Yankees can spend money like this. But this is just a sick joke. The yankees have one of the best teams in recent history on paper. Yes the yankees are going to win, but it is it more enjoying watching a team grow up and benefit from each other after a couple of years playing together, then just buying pieces.
Pressure, well know GIrardi has the pressure and no one else. If he can not make this work, wll then say good bye to him
Dear Major Announcement,
I’m sorry I ever doubted you. All those dinners and trips to people’s houses really did give you inside information.
Interesting footnote:
“Aside from the Red Sox, the Brewers and Blue Jays also lose here. Each team’s draft pick from the Yanks is pushed back one round – the Brewers get a second-rounder from them for C.C. Sabathia, the Jays get their third-round pick for A.J. Burnett.”
And any word on an opt out? While I’m undeniably excited about Teixeira donning the pinstripes, I really didnt want to be locked up for so many years at both IF corners like that!
But it’s a necessary evil you deal with for this. God Damn!!!!!
Merry Christmas from Santa Ca$hmoney!!!!
Wow. When the Yankees don’t make the playoffs, they REALLY get serious.
Some people are saying Teixeira isn’t “worth” $22 million or whatever his annual salary will be. If the Yankees only paid top free agents what they were worth based solely on their contributions on the field, they would never sign another top free agent.
The bottom line is, this signing (if for real – I’m still not convinced as long as ESPN is quoting anonymous sources) will bring us excellent offense and defense at first base, a position where we have no great prospects, for many years to come. Sure, Teixeira could be get less value as he approaches his mid 30s. We’ll worry about that then. For now we have a truly great all-around player.
This is not another Giambi signing. Giambi is a very limited player with bad defense and PED issues who can’t hit the ball to left to save his life. The only similarities between Teixeira and Giambi, besides their being very highly paid, is that they are first basemen with power and discipline. And the fact is, even Giambi did what we paid him to do for the majority of his contract.
Yet another plus of this signing (again, if it’s for real) is that it means we’re not getting Manny.
I’m thrilled.
And now i’m taking my niece to see a movie about a mouse. Have fun and be civil.
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It’s a good thing that Peter has gadgets. They don’t show breaking news in movie theatres.
Yanks sign Teixeira for 8yrs $170M? Is that right? OMG I hope it is. Great signing, I dont care what anyone says. Give him Giambi’s jersey now and call it a day!
We gotta send Pete to the movies more often!
Who is the bigger loser today?
Red Sox or Impacto Deportivo?
I like Swisher in RF. I was never sold On Nady there, put him left. Damon in Center getting spelled by Melky and/or Gardner regularly.
I was skeptical about this, but here it is. I guess the Yankees are committed to giving you value for the tickets after all.
It isn’t over paying if that is the market price. If the other teams in on it were in the ball park then the Yankees going a little over is no big deal. It should be pretty clear that they have more insulation from financial mistakes then other teams do.
The part that makes me the most excited is that Tex appears to want to be a Yankee. He could have got this contract from the Nats earlier or close to it from the Red Sox. It looks like he was waiting for more than money.
The no trade clause is irrelevant. The financial terms of the contract make it unlikely to be moved. In the (hopefully) post steroid era Tex’s numbers may continue to be more elite than they would have been a few years ago. That’s my hope anyway.
wooooooo a great TeiXmas present!!!!!
OUR HEADS HAVE ALL BEEN STRAIGHTENED OUT!!!!!!!!!
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Staying to write the story
December 23rd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Guys! REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION!
How many countries have GDPs smaller than that of the Yankees’ corner ourtfielders?
–individually or together?
AND WE HAVE NOT TRADED HUGHES, MONTERO, AJAX etc etc
The Yankees just signed Mark Teixeira according to ESPN http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3790141
Swisher in right
Gardner in Center
Nady traded for Brian Fuentes
Also, does anyone know what the official (or as close to official as possible) word on what Boston’s final offer was? I would absolutely love it if it was higher than the Yankees’ and he picked us anyway!!!
This is truly a Festivus for the rest of us…the rest of us being, non-beaneaters!
Thanks Tex! You made a good choice.
And please wear uniform # 25 so I can take my Giambi jersey out of the drawer of shame.
With Teix hitting four and A-Rod 3, A-Rod will win the MVP
The Yankees have reached an agreement in principle to sign Mark Teixeira, SI.com has learned, beating out the rival Red Sox for the free-agent slugger’s services.
Teixeira, who hit .308 with 33 home runs and 121 RBIs in 2008, will receive an eight-year, $180 million deal from the Yankees with a full no-trade provision.
The final three teams in the race to sign Teixeira were the Red Sox, Nationals and Yankees. However, it was the Yankees who stepped their heavy pursuit of Teixeira on Tuesday, as first reported by SI.com.
The Yankees quietly remained in contact with the Teixeira camp, but after spending $243.5 million on star starting pitchers CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett, they didn’t appear anxious to be the market setter.
The Red Sox threw a curveball late last week when owner John Henry announced they were no longer “going to be a factor” following a meeting at Teixeira’s Dallas-area house. But after a little while, it became clear that Henry only meant that they intended not to up their bid, not that they were pulling out of the derby entirely.
While Henry’s team remained in the running, Angels owner Arte Moreno pulled out for real on Sunday, announcing they had given up the chase. Moreno had submitted a proposal believed to be for $160 million at the Winter Meetings and hadn’t moved from that initial offer.
While there were rumors that the Severna Park, Md., product preferred to be on the East Coast, there never was any real evidence of that. He loved his time in Anaheim and continued to live in the Dallas area, so those suggestions may have been overplayed.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ml?eref=T1
“This is not another Giambi signing. Giambi is a very limited player with bad defense and PED issues who can’t hit the ball to left to save his life.”
Giambi hit the ball to all fields during his MVP seasons prior to signing with NY.
Also, the Yanks don’t gain much on defense here because it moves Swisher off of first and possibly moves Damon to CF more often.
Lost in Tex-is
Hat tip to you. You most definitely posted this before any of the breaking reports.
Nicely done.
ps – leave pete alone – he’s enjoying some quality time with his niece (going to a movie with her). That trumps any Yankee news.
Kellerman can’t even contain his excitement
Damon- LF
Jeter -SS
Tex- 1B
ARod- 3b
Matsui- DH
Posada- C
Nady- RF
Cano- 2b
Swisher- CF
not a bad lineup
Can someone explain to me why Tex signed with the Yankees and not the Sox?
The Sox were offering something in the neighborhood of 174mil over 8 years. The Yankees gave 180mil over 8 years. There’s a benefit or perk we’re overlooking here. Is it the no-trade clause? An opt-out in this contract doesn’t make much sense.
Also, where will Manny be Manny, Mr. Boras?
Talk about a Teixmas miracle. I’m shocked.
Ditto what CB said: PAT M, I salute you, you called this the whole time, never wavered. Well done!
THIS IS THE GREATEST CHRISTMAS EVER!!!!!!!!!!
“Nady traded for Brian Fuentes”
HAHAHAAs, Fuentes is a free agent. I never knew that we could trade for a free agent? LOL hahahaas.
CB,
I hear what you are saying about Boras going to Cash rather than vice versa. The fact still remains, Boras got a gigantic contract for Teixeira. It was never confirmed that Boston, Anaheim or Washington offered as much as the Yankees have. The reason Teixeira will be a Yankee is because Cashman outbid everyone, not because he is a genius negotiator.
I’ll give you this much, Cashman didn’t OVERPAY for Teixeira given the market and he didn’t let the market for him spin out of control. 8 yrs/ 180 is the high bid but its probably a fair price given the warped perception of Teixeira’s value.
40 time
December 23rd, 2008 at 3:47 pm
*Swisher in right
Gardner in Center
Nady traded for Brian Fuentes*
Brian Fuentes is a free agent. You don’t need to trade anyone for him.
This will be some ballclub! Yankees first five will be as deep as it gets. If Cano, Posada and Matsui comeback it will be a very interesting season in the Bronx. This is much better than risking sanity with Manny. The Tex signing is both a smart defensive and offensive strategy. The Yankee payroll will be about the same as last year my guess.
One last piece would be to get back Andy…I think 12 million will bring him back. You want to only bring in one unproven starter such as Joba vs two rookies- Joba and Hughes- to bank on.
I think Tex hits 3rd – slightly better OBP (though marginal) and because he is a switch hitter.
“It was then learned that Teixeira had favored the Yankees all along and according to sources he conveyed that to them this week.”
New York Daily News.
” AND WE HAVE NOT TRADED HUGHES, MONTERO, AJAX etc etc”
Unfrickinbelievable. It’s like a dream. I’m getting a Brian Cashman tattoo.
Jesus better get used to C though, or learn to like DH!
and Happy Hanukkah!!!
“Oh and Brandon..
You did “Mark it down” right? I remember that you did.”
He chose the money after we overpaid what is there to say.
Guys I think we need to look and realize we’re going to see Damon in CF for the season. Nady and Swisher aren’t good CFers and, although Damon isn’t great and has a horrible arm, Swisher and Nady are both better (themselves and better than Damon) at corner OF spots and it will help to cover up Damon in CF. I can deal with an OF of Swisher, Damon, Nady with Matsui at DH and Tex at 1B! Thats a monster team. Lets celebrate Yankees fans!!!!
SWEET!
Cashmoney at his finest.
“Is it the no-trade clause?”
I thought I read full no-trade
It seems Teixeria wanted to be a Yankee from the start. I wonder how ESPN will color his choice…
The agreement with Teixeira gives New York the four highest-paid players in baseball — third baseman Alex Rodriguez, shortstop Derek Jeter, Sabathia and Teixeira.
Where is SJ? haven’t heard a word from him… Maybe he’s calling all his sources, in disbelief.
Pete has an update –>
This is a great day to be a Yankee fan…
There’s nobody that needs to eat crow or anything else. Nobody in their right mind really thought that Teixeira was the initial target and that they would close on him. Hoping for it was the best you can hope for, but, this is beyond anybody’s actual reasonable expectations.
“Also, does anyone know what the official (or as close to official as possible) word on what Boston’s final offer was? ”
This was never about Boston’s offer.
What has become clear now – absolutely clear – Boston got played here.
Theo and John Henry were used.
If the deal is 8/170 all the yankees did was pay market value. I’d guess this is what the sox offer was and perhaps less than the nats.
But ultimately once the market settled Tex had boras cut a deal with the yankees.
Tex wanted to play for the yankees. That was likely his preference from the start.
At 8/170 it’s not as if the yankees simply blew away all other offers as they did with CC. All of the offers were clustering together.
He could have had Boras shop the offer back to Boston but I guess Cashman said we’ll pay you fairly but if we start this negotiation it ends now. No more back and forth.
He picked the yankees – the money was the same.
the Brewers still might be squeezed into swapping Cameron and eating some of the cash and taking the pride of the Scranton Japanese American community…..Kei Igawa who now with the departure of Pavano assumes the title of most worthless Yankee…
I am thrilled! This guy can play, is a workaholic and helps the team in the lineup AND the field. I wrote back in August that CC, Tex at the top of the list and to get both is sensational.
Tex and Swisher will barely cost the Yankees as much ($ 27 million) as Giambi did last year when you consider his $ 21 million salary and $ 5 million buyout which all was paid in 2008.
CC and AJ will cost roughly the same as Andy, Moose and Pavano — right around $ 40 million.
Even allowing for raises, they could still sign Andy and have a slightly lower payroll without moving a spare OF.
Let the whining begin!
*He chose the money after we overpaid what is there to say.*
actually, if its $170-180 million, he chose NY over the money, because the Saux and Nationals were both prepared to go over $180 million, from some reports.
If the Yankees don’t win the WS this season, yes, there will be a lot of people insulting the Yankees for not winning a championship with Sabathia, Teixeira, Burnett, ARod, and so on.
And then we will be right back to pound the rest of the league in 2010 with the same players. The beauty of the Yankees’ moves is they have put the team in a dominating position for years to come. Our two biggest signings, Sabathia and Teixeira, have made the team YOUNGER.
Before this offseason, the Yankees’ future looked questionable. Now the Yankees look very dangerous both right now and for the next several years.
“Tex wanted to play for the yankees. That was likely his preference from the start.”
That is my favorite part. We didn’t have to overpay like we did for CC. Here is a guy who said “I want to be a Yankee.”
Can one of our analytics experts please chime in on the ramifications of the outfield, now considering that Tex is in the lineup?
Does Swisher really move to CF?
Do they “stay the course” with Melky and Gardner splitting time in CF because their offensive liabilities are now offset with Tex in teh lineup?
Is Swisher used as a utility player to fill in the outfield while giving guys a rest?
“Our two biggest signings, Sabathia and Teixeira, have made the team YOUNGER. ”
And the Yankees farm system…. not too shabby
I wonder if Sterling is already working on the homerun call?
new post
It wasn’t that Cashman outbid everyone. It’s basically the opposite of the Sabathia negotiations. Teixeira wanted to come to New York all along.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....l_wit.html
“But when the Angels pulled out of the bidding on Sunday night, and the Red Sox failed to reach an agreement after their owner traveled all the way to Dallas to meet with him and agent Scott Boras, the Yankees suddenly became more interested.
It was then learned that Teixeira had favored the Yankees all along and according to sources he conveyed that to them this week.
Negotiations intensified Tuesday morning and the two sides were believed to be close to an agreement that would make Teixeira a Yankee.”
Count on it:
Tex: “I always wanted to be a Yankee. It’s a great run organization with the best fans.”
Just for once, I wish someone would say the truth “I love my new team because they’re willing to pay me arse amounts of money.”
What’s the best way to win championships:
1) Buy players
2) Develop your own players
Answer: DO BOTH
I’d have to put Rodriguez in the cleanup spot. It gives NYY a chance to use what speed they have by allowing Damon and Jeter to run, and Teixeira can go from 1st to 3rd, which allows Rodriguez to run also.
Swisher is a better hitter then Nady so I would rather see him playing everyday. And have Nady come off the bench. With Matsui still on the team. but my line-up without Matsui:
Damon
Jeter
Arod
Texiera
Posada
Cano
Swisher
Nady
Gardner
I would really trade Matsui if I can.
“I hear what you are saying about Boras going to Cash rather than vice versa. The fact still remains, Boras got a gigantic contract for Teixeira.”
Patrick,
Here is where I disagree and this is the crux of my argument.
Boras did not get a gigantic deal for Tex. Not at all.
Tex got a gigantic deal for Tex.
The yankees paid him fair market value for his talent and performance.
Let me ask you this – what marginal value did Boras add to this? How much of Boras’ games and negotiating tactics work here?
They seemed to work only minimally. They tried to get Boston to bid against themselves last week. It’s clear they were playing boston. If they could get boston to up the deal then they can put pressure on the yanks. Henry calls the bluff.
Boras drags it out – the angels drop out.
Boras tries to drum up a $200M offer from the Nats. Don’t think it happened.
Cashman let Boras try to play his games and watched them flail.
Then he simply paid Tex fair market value for Tex’s talents.
This was not a boras deal – this wasn’t a case where boras’s negotiating skills added large marginal value to the deal tex got.
This is similar to ARod last year. The yanks were fine with paying him what they thought he was worth in terms of the market and revenue generation.
What they didn’t want to bother with was boras and his games.
Tex earned this deal. He had multiple offers all pricing him at this level. The market emerged based on his talent.
This was about Tex – not Boras.
That’s why the negotiations on Cash’s part were so well done.
Just thinking about luxury tax for a second, isn’t it possible that the Yanks won’t be paying the tax on Tex’s contract for the duration. If the baseline keeps going up then at some point it is very possible the Yanks will fall under the baseline. They should be trimming somewhere in the range of $54 million after this coming year, and given what the team has done this offseason it seems unlikely that they will do more than sign maybe one player (Holliday?), so that should be a serious amount of money off the yearly payroll. Arod costs the team less every year because his contract was frontloaded, and a lot more money should come off as the rest of the older players contracts come due about half-way through Tex’s deal. Posada, Mo, and Jeter will all be either gone or on new contracts for presumabely less money. Most of these players will probably be replaced from within the organization. Mo will probably be replaced by Melancon, Posada by either Romine or Montero, and Jeter possibly by Carmen Angellini (although that’s harder to be sure of since he is so far down in the minors). The point is that the Yanks seem to be spending a lot now because they will have less need to spend in the future.
Of course Olney reporting about how the big topic will be the 4 biggest contracts in baseball.
F Him and ESPN.
Go sign Manny now
CF : Damon
SS: Jeter
1B: Texiera
3B: Rodriguez
DH: Matsui
RF: Nady
C: Posada
2B: Cano
LF: Swisher
Welcome TEX!
“So while it’s easy to say, “Go get Manny or Tex,” the reality is that a $150 million deal for Mark Teixeira is really a $210 million deal.
At some point, that’s actual money.” – Pete
Absolutely right, Pete! Where’s the frugal sanity around the Yankee front office? What happened to the plan to build from within, spending money on player development?
They still are piss poor defensively in the outfield, infield, and catcher. Their bullpen is getting older, Mariano cannot go on forever. No speed at all on the basepaths.
What happens if Sabathia and Burnett break down? Burnett especially has a history of arm problems. All that money gone for nothing, just like Pavano.
Who’s going to pay these ticket prices? WHo can afford to take their family to a game now? Can you imagine how much concessions are going to cost? Hot dog, $10.00, beer, $15.00, and peanuts $8.00 per bag?
The Yankee front office is absolutely, positively, moronically STUPID!!! This whole thing is going to blow up in their faces and then where will they be? All those contracts they may want to get rid of in the near future and nobody will take them.
Maybe George learned his lessons about trying to buy a pennant, but his prodigy didn’t.
Say hello to another 10-15 years of no pennant and no World Series rings.
First CC and AJ, I won my fantasy football Super Bowl last night, now this.
38 million lottery tomorrow in Florida will ice the cake.
DH Damon
SS Jeter
3B Arod
1B Texeira
C Posada
2B Cano
RF Swisher
LF Nady
CF Gardner
Melky Molina Some infielder in Scranton
Sabathia Wang Burnett Joba Hughes
Rivera Marte Coke Robertson Melancon Bruney Veras Aceves
CB: At least someone was paying attention.
Thanks.
Truth is not only did Tex prefer the Yankees and Georgia not wanting to go to Boston.. Mark really didn’t want to go to Boston (The City) either. He has respect for the team and did not entirely rule them out.
As a Yankee fan I have not seen/heard the same love for the Yankees expressed since Jeter.. i.e. “I have wanted to be a Yankee since I was a child” ..expect Mark to say that publicly in the future.
He will be an instant hit with Yankee fans when he shares his passion for the pinstripes..
Will the Yankees allow him to where #23? Will Donny approve?
Hah. Seems so trivial.
Yankee Ray b4 you bash Olney, you shouldve listen to his whole interview. He also was just commenting on how the Yanks did spend money alot of it but did trade away any prospects and are still in rebuilding mold doing it the way of farm-system. Yanks have done a tremendous job this off-season 2 starters and a Defensive stud at first who can hit as well. To me TEX is what we need and I think will be a fan favorite. Im a HUGE Mattingly fan and TEX is a Mattingly fan so hes gotta be a good guy
Gammons is slumped over a bar in Bahhstin slurring his words beyond comprehension.
Donnie Baseball 23
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Yankee Ray b4 you bash Olney, you shouldve listen to his whole interview. He also was just commenting on how the Yanks did spend money alot of it but did trade away any prospects and are still in rebuilding mold doing it the way of farm-system. Yanks have done a tremendous job this off-season 2 starters and a Defensive stud at first who can hit as well. To me TEX is what we need and I think will be a fan favorite. Im a HUGE Mattingly fan and TEX is a Mattingly fan so hes gotta be a good guy
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Donnie B, I agree with all of your thoughts but I wasn’t bashing him as much as he was pointing out an obvious that will be viewed as a negative by all the Yankee haters. No need, just deal with it.
Go Yanks
“This is similar to ARod last year. The yanks were fine with paying him what they thought he was worth in terms of the market and revenue generation.”
And right there is the problem. As a long time Yankee fan going back to 1963, I root for the team, not the individual players or their ability to market themselves so the Yankees come out with a few extra dollars. I want to put a winning team on the field, a team that has a legitimate chance to go all the way every year.
I don’t give a damn about marketing, public relations, and revenue! I care about the team and winning. I think this organization has stopped thinking about winning. I think all they think about now is the bottom line.
Not to sound like a spoiled kid at x-mas…but who is our 4th starter now? are we still getting Pettitte?
I don’t give a damn about marketing, public relations, and revenue! I care about the team and winning. I think this organization has stopped thinking about winning. I think all they think about now is the bottom line.
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If all they thought about was bottom line your lineup would look like this
Damon
Jeter
Matsui
A-Rod
Posada
Cano
Nady
Swisher
Garnder
Did anyone catch Bernie Williams on OTL?
I be the Yankees win the world series this year, in 6 games against Philly. Andy is Dandy in October!
I bet lineup looks like this
Jeter
Damon
Teix
Arod
Matsui
Posada
Cano
Swisher
Cabrera
I bet the Yanks get lit up on opening day by Cleveland
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