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The roster at the moment

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 24, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

As things stand right now, this is the roster …

Damon LF
Jeter SS
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Nady RF
Cano 2B
Gardner or Cabrera CF

Rotation
Sabathia
Wang
Burnett
Chamberlain
Hughes, Kennedy or Aceves

Bench
Swisher
Molina
Ransom or a utility infielder type
Cabrera or Gardner

Bullpen
Rivera
Marte
Bruney
Albaladejo, Veras, Robertson, Ramirez, Coke or Melancon (pick three)
Giese or Aceves

Meanwhile, somebody has to come off the 40-man roster once Teixeira is officially added.

There is a trade to be made somewhere. Here’s a rough list of expendable (at least some some degree) Yankees:

Ian Kennedy
Juan Miranda
Shelly Duncan
Nick Swisher
Hideki Matsui
Xavier Nady
Any reliever other than Rivera or Marte
Kei Igawa
Melky Cabrera or Brett Gardner

Meanwhile, Jesus Montero should dedicate himself to the Tony Pena School of Catching. First base is no longer an option. And stop aging Derek Jeter and Jorge Posada. First base is not an option for you, either.

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338 Responses to “The roster at the moment”

  1. ANSKY December 24th, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Pete … Are you able to watch & see when I’m typing? You’re uncanny!

  2. james December 24th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    Wasn’t Justin Christian already non-tendered?

  3. vin December 24th, 2008 at 1:12 am

    from Gammons on Saturday:

    “For two years, it has been the Red Sox’s plan to sign Teixeira. That plan remains.”

    Let’s keep that in mind when he puts out his “The Sox decided against signing him for some high-brow philosphical reason – Yay Theo!” article tomorrow.

  4. carl December 24th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    The yankees are stacked plain and simple.

  5. Bronx Jeers December 24th, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Mets would take Nady in a second. Too bad they don’t have anything to give up that we need or that they’d be willing to move.

  6. ANSKY December 24th, 2008 at 1:15 am

    Igawa? Expendable? WTF?!?!??!

    I’m hoping Robbie Cano can step up well enough to deserve to hit 3rd, so Tiexiera can bat in 5th, right behind A-Rod.

    Ah, maybe that’ll be the lineup in the 2nd half. If all 3 get hot at once (Robbie do you read this blog?) that would be a serious middle of the lineup.

  7. DT December 24th, 2008 at 1:19 am

    With the current glut of FA corner outfielders there is only one team with the desire to take on the current salaries of Damon and Matsui in a trade – unfortunately they are already on that team.

    It would appear that if the Yanks wanted to move either (and not pay most of the contract) they would have to take on someone else’s bad contract in trade.

  8. Boston Dave December 24th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    go to bed Pete!

  9. i am the walrus December 24th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    That lineup looks just like the ones that were being criticized as unrealistic. Yet, there it is.

    I could see a move being made to get some OF prospect that would be ready to come up the following year or when the roster expands. Possibly Nady, possibly Swisher.

    Gammons and his RSn won’t be having quite as good a Christmas as they thought just a few short hours ago. Funny how quick they turn on Teixeira though, when just hours before he was all they wanted. Gotta love it.

  10. Aaron(the better Aaron) December 24th, 2008 at 1:20 am

    it’d make no sense to trade Nady… He’s a grider out player. We don’t even have to trade him..

    Damon CF
    Jeter SS
    Tex 1B
    A-Rod SS
    Matsui DH
    Nady LF
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF

    Then you can rotate Swisher/Damon/Cabrera/Gardner in CF and give days off.. NO sense to get rid of him

  11. i am the walrus December 24th, 2008 at 1:21 am

    Igawa isn’t on the 40 man roster, so moving him may help free up some money, but won’t get the spot open.

  12. Cor Shep December 24th, 2008 at 1:22 am

    When I heard the Yanks signed Tex, I….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4

  13. Bronx Jeers December 24th, 2008 at 1:26 am

    Better Aaron,

    Yeah that’s my ideal line up but I don’t think they want Damon in center.

    Nady is just the most desirable for other teams.

  14. stuart December 24th, 2008 at 1:26 am

    Bye bye ANdy… Take the mystery 3 yr $36 mill contract since the yankee offer was such an insult.

    SOrry Laura ……..Pettitte enjoy, arlington in August or Houston…

    He had his chance but tried to grind the Yanks..

    I am not a big fan of Arod Jr. (Tex) but he is a very good player over paid but a big upgrade…

    Manny go to the Mets…

  15. Frank from Chatham December 24th, 2008 at 1:30 am

    I wonder what the projected stats for this team will be compared to last year’s Yanks, Sox & Rays.
    i.e. HRs, RBIs, Runs, OBP

    Seems to me that the Yanks need Pettitte as the 4th or 5th.

  16. Buddy Biancalana December 24th, 2008 at 1:32 am

    Nice one Cor Shep!

  17. godzilla December 24th, 2008 at 1:32 am

    I’m not a fan of the idea of trading matsui. if we can keep matsui healthy at DH he is going to be hitting .300 plus like early 08.

  18. Ryan December 24th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    I don’t understand why anyone has to be traded…

    Nady is in right, Damon in left, Matsui is the DH, Gardner or Cabrera is in center (i prefer Gardner)

    Swisher is on the bench where he belongs (the guy is a .240 career hitter!) along with Cabrera

    I would only look to trade any of the above players if the plan is to sign Manny

  19. Nick in SF in Charlotte December 24th, 2008 at 1:38 am

    Can Nady pitch?

    If not, it’s not too late, Andy. Come home.

  20. Welcome to NY Tex!! December 24th, 2008 at 1:44 am

    I read in one of the many Tex articles that the Braves are probably going to be interested in trading for Nady. Since he will be cheaper then all of the free agent options. Who knows what they would be willing to give up..Maybe Cash will approach trading him or Swish that he will only do it if he is able to get something good for 1 of them. That would make sense if someone offers a good prospect.

  21. David December 24th, 2008 at 1:45 am

    Wa wa I was wrong so now let’s complain about Jeter and Posada not being able to play first base.

  22. Juke Early December 24th, 2008 at 1:45 am

    I understand why non-Yankee fans hate them-Hey! I hate them when they lose ;-) But. . .

    The NYY are historically the premier professional sports franchise, they invented it. I continually say the same things: study history, all sports teams have endeavored to hire the best players. I can’t afford the car I want. But if I could, I’d buy one. I’d buy 2. Three, because I’d want a knock-around Jeep too.

    Who could responsibly run a business & not get the best employees? no one with any sense. I loathe morons who are saying the NYY spent 450 mil—they are committed to paying it out over almost a decade. So far they’ve only spent whatever it cost to have Cash get to the negotiations & a press conference. They’ve added maybe 65 mil to the 2K9 payroll.

    MLB and ancillary businesses all share in the profit of NYY revenue. Rather than irresponsible spending, the Yankees are helping to infuse US & the world economy. A profitable Yankees will make a lot of people money. Some will even NOT be Yankee fans.

    AND the games are played on the field, not in projected stats.

    Merry NYChristmas

  23. Bronx Jeers December 24th, 2008 at 1:47 am

    Swisher makes 20 mil over the next 3 yrs.

    Quite an expensive bench player.

    His average is lower but his OBP is better than Nady’s. SLG% is similar.

    Nady can possibly be moved for an upgrade in CF.

    In a perfect world Gardner would hit like he did in Sept but no one’s counting on that.

  24. vtred December 24th, 2008 at 1:47 am

    Trade Nady to the Mets for JJ Putz

  25. Joey December 24th, 2008 at 1:49 am

    The Yankees have a glutton of OFs. Damon, Matsui, Gardner, Melky, Nady, and Swisher. You have to trade one.

    My vote is Nady. Swisher is a better offensive and defensive player and is more versatile.

  26. yankeefan91 December 24th, 2008 at 1:50 am

    vtred i was thinking of that that would b great but i noe no way in hell thats happening

  27. Surry December 24th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    Moneyball, a Yankees Tree Ornament

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12.....38;emc=rss

    After the Sabathia and Burnett signings, it is difficult to fathom how the Red Sox let this happen, no matter how bad the stench is when dealing with Scott Boras. They still have an excellent club, with pitching and balance and young players with upside. They are always calculatingly happy to let the Yankees spend themselves silly to the point of stupid. Maybe that turns out to be the case with one of the pitchers, Burnett being the more logical candidate. But not with Teixeira, 28, beginning what should be his peak years. He is a player the Sox, who do a pretty fair business themselves, should not have conceded to the Yankees for a few extra million.

    If there is a deep recession with budget austerity, it is news to the Yankees. While they spend like an OPEC nation when oil was trading at $140 a barrel, they continue to hit the city for sweetheart treatment, most recently for another $259 million in tax-exempt bonds on top of the $940 million they were already given. Their two stadiums stand as reminders — at least until one is gone — of precious parkland taken, yet to be replaced and probably never to the specifications that poor Congressional district had before.

    The Yankees just received a bill from Major League Baseball for $26.9 million (for a grand total of $148.5 million in the six years since the luxury tax was created to exert some control over big-market spending, or 90 percent of the total tax). They shrugged it off and handed Teixeira $180 million.

    The pinstriped express rolls on, in excess.

  28. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! December 24th, 2008 at 2:03 am

    http://i40.tinypic.com/207urzd.jpg

    :D

  29. timo December 24th, 2008 at 2:08 am

    Nady (in AL ABs) hit fifty points higher and slugged 60+ points higher than Swisher in ’08. Nady’s OBP was slightly lower but Swisher’s own OBP took a dive towards the end of the year when pitchers started going after him. Swisher had 22 SOs and only 6 BBs in 61 September ABS (when he put up an awful .164/.235/.311). Swisher’s overall stats for ’08 were very similar to those of Richie Sexson, the guy the Yanks released.

    Spending a zillion dollars and then trading Nady so Mr. 219 Swisher could replace the far more productive Abreu in RF would make no sense.

  30. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 24th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    So I’ll say again in case it got lost during the day that I apologize to Lost in Tex-is, (s)he was completely right. I’m glad to have Teix especially if what it looks like is true and he did want to be a Yankee. I’d love to send his sister in Hoboken a bottle of champagne if she had any say in his coming here.(lol though I’m sure 180m buys a lot of bubbly)

    I for one thought the lineup could win as it was, now it’s just unfair to opposing pitchers. I still believe the Yanks should package Nady with Kennedy and another young pitcher to get a good close to ready CF/OF to prepare for next year. This shopping spree is awesome, we needed it, but I don’t want Matt Holliday next year.

  31. G. Love December 24th, 2008 at 2:13 am

    Would Nady and Veras bring back Putz from the Mets or is that too much?

  32. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption December 24th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    BTW wonderful commentary today by CB and everybody else who was posting. I did a reader’s digest version having missed the day’s festivities fighting the crowds and it was all great stuff. Another question I have; I assume if Ca$h-Ninja offered arbitration to everyone and they didn’t accept it those picks would be protected, but would they be? OR would say the Brewers be able to get the pick we received for Abreu? One last thing, A-Rod in the three hold.

  33. Chris December 24th, 2008 at 2:21 am

    put swish in center

  34. crawdaddie December 24th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    Pete,
    Don’t be surprise if Pettitte has already accepted the Yankees offer, but it’s not announced yet due to 40 man roster and the Teixiera negotiations. Next week, I expect an annoucement once Teixiera is rolled out in front of the cameras.

  35. AJW December 24th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    The Mets are not giving up Putz. I think Nady is the odd man out. Swisher is a much more versatile player.

  36. Aaron(the better Aaron) December 24th, 2008 at 2:22 am

    ya trade veras for a guy whose going to be a free agent.. and #2 its not going to happen. go to bed

  37. GO BIG BLUE December 24th, 2008 at 2:32 am

    Nick Swisher shouldn’t be sitting on the bench!

    I’m glad the Yankees have acquired more talent. The only thing that disappoints me is the fact that the expenses of ticket prices will go up. I can barely afford the tickets they sell now. My sister and cousin went to the game & they said its ridiculous the prices that they charge in there

  38. harrs44 December 24th, 2008 at 2:35 am

    Cor Shep, I am crying right now. I caught that SNL, and it’s one of Samberg’s best since “Di*k in a Box.” That said, I kinda felt the same way you did when hearing the news.

  39. Ari December 24th, 2008 at 2:45 am

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to develope Montero as a corner outfielder now? Romine seems to be the better catching prospect between the two of them (though Montero is clearly the better hitter), so wouldn’t it make sense to develope Romine behind the plate and Montero at a corner OF spot?

  40. dave December 24th, 2008 at 2:50 am

    Pete,

    Not to bash jeter and posada but there is a reason those two are considered so great offensively outside of the numbers they put up and its the positions they play. Move jeter or posadas numbers to first base and they are league average at best and that is in their prime. Move the two of them there in their declining years and they are a detriment rather than an asset at first. That move could never fly and we cant not sign the best position player on the market to make sure we have room for posada and jeter in the future, I knew all along that giving posada four years was absolutely obscene and nothing has changed my mind as posada begins to fade into oblivion – luckly, matsui is gone after next year and we can leave the dh spot open.

    Tex’s signing works out perfectly in the long scheme of things. Matsui, damon and nady come off the books next season just as holliday becomes a free agent and posada can no longer catch just as montero is rising the ranks. So holliday is signed and takes over left with some of the 31 mil we lose. Swisher can stay in right. Ajax takes over in center for cameron or gardner. Montero takes over for posada and posada moves to dh. Everyone else stays where they are for one more season and outside of replacing pettitte if we have to there is the team for next season. Ajax, Jeter, Arod, Tex, Holliday, Swisher, Montero, Posada, Cano sounds pretty solid. Lackey is also a free agent option in case hughes doesnt work out.

    As for the expendables – a trade must be made and it cannott include swisher. We need a dependable reliever, another starter, a centerfielder and a bench. The starter can be bought so that requires nothing except money – i want sheets but pettitte is ok as well. I like cameron in center now and i think trading melky and nady may just do it for us – both cheap and possible starters and we could prolly get some money payed with nady in the deal if not all of cameron’s 10 mil. The depenable guy out of the pen should be huston street or someone of that nature – i am extremely skeptical about the eighth innning and marte proved little last season other than the fact that he isnt an eighth inning guy. Bruney could be or may not be. I wouldnt mind somebody of brian fuentes stature but trading the expendables and prospects could be more worth it than money if we get cameron or pay big money for someone like sheets. The bench is easily filled in a couple of strategic moves. Plenty of capable bench players being cleared for forty man roster spots on other teams or released in the rule five.

    I think getting sheets or pettitte for 10 to 15 mil next year puts us at our limit moneywise. We trade for cameron giving up nady in the process and we can get solid defense in the outfield with no money involved. We trade prospects for a solid bullpen arm like street (what the mets gave up for putz) and our pen is done. And there is our team ladies and gentleman:

    2009: Damon, Jeter, Arod, Tex, Matsui, Posada, Swisher, Cano, Cameron
    2010: Ajax, Jeter, Arod, Tex, Holliday, Posada, Montero, Swisher, Cano

    2009: CC, Wang, Burnett, Sheets/Pettitte, Joba, Hughes
    2010: CC, Wang, Burnett, Sheets/Lackey, Joba, hughes

    Bullpen: Mo, Street, Marte, Bruney, Veras/ Ramirez, Aceves/Coke/Geise/IPK, Melancon/Sanchez/Cox

  41. dave December 24th, 2008 at 2:56 am

    Signing tex or not signing tex – ticket prices next season will go up no matter WHAT! I doubt tex has much to do with tickets increasing or how much they increase by.

  42. dave December 24th, 2008 at 3:04 am

    Take out swisher’s numbers last season and he is 10 times better than nady. Then, add in the fact that we got him for nearly nothing (betemit and prospect) in a trade and realizing that we woud get that kind of value back in return for him and swish is definitely not tradable. Nady is cheaper so he is more desirable and had a better year last year so he is much more desirable and he isnt as good,

    We cant trade swish and nady is reasonable to trade unless swish is a super bench/platoon player which i dont see for a player making the money he is making. We should trade nady for cameron and make the brewers pay his salary or trade nady for bullpen help – like a setup man. We only need two things we have to trade for – an upgrade in center or a setup pitcher.

  43. Alejandro Azim December 24th, 2008 at 3:34 am

    A trade to be made…

    Yankees should trade Hideki Matsui to San Francisco and get Jonathan Sanchez.

    With Sanchez in the bag and Matsui’s 13 million, the Yankees can still get Manny Ramirez for 3 years. Imagine Manny, A-Rod and Teixeira in the middle of the lineup? Something out a Stephen King horror novel… King would surely wet himself. Depends

    Trade Kennedy for Rick Ankiel. Ankiel at Center field would give the Yankees something we havent had since Raul Mondesi- A big arm in the outfield (Melky’s arm is overhyped, its above average but with all the bad Yankee arms in the outfield it looks like a shotgun). The worst possible move would be to trade Melky or anyone for Cameron. The guy is a waste of space and pinstripes would fit him as horrible as they did on Lofton.

    We could move Ankiel to left once Jackson is ready and Damon’s contract expires next year. We have to resign Ankiel and he would be a cheap option compared to Matt Holliday and other free agents for next year.

    As far as an aging Jeter and Posada. Yankees seem set with catching prospects but there is no room for Posada anywhere besides DH. Jeter however could move to second base after his contract is over and is obviously resigned. He would be great at the position and Cano could go to the outfield or be traded if he doesnt have the breakout numbers which everyone is stll crossing their fingers for.

    Whatever happens I hope Yankees treat Jeter and Posada and Rivera with some class. Something that was totally missed with Bernie Williams. In fact if Yankee hitters struggle like last year then bring in Bernie and send Long and meticulous ways to the minors where it could do more help.

  44. Kevin December 24th, 2008 at 3:44 am

    Wow that is one sick team. Like, even our bench is really good. I’m just not seeing many weaknesses.

  45. gianthinker December 24th, 2008 at 3:47 am

    “Meanwhile, Jesus Montero should dedicate himself to the Tony Pena School of Catching. First base is no longer an option. And stop aging Derek Jeter and Jorge Posada. First base is not an option for you, either.”

    From what I hear Montero has a future as a DH. Don’t forget that Joe Mauer’s contract only runs through 2010. Posada seems destined for DH duty as well. I see Jeter as our future LF.

  46. Kevin December 24th, 2008 at 3:47 am

    PS, Alejandro, you are completely dreaming about Kennedy for Ankiel. That would simply be one of the worst trades ever made in the history of baseball for St. Louis. If Cashman even proposed that he would surely be met with laughter.

  47. gianthinker December 24th, 2008 at 3:55 am

    Damon CF
    Jeter SS
    Cano 2B
    A-Rod SS
    Tex 1B
    Nady LF
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Swisher RF

  48. mko December 24th, 2008 at 3:57 am

    I’m sorry Pete, I like you and your writing, but I have to say this because I was thinking this all offseason long:
    IN YOUR FACE!

    All the time you were saying “no way” the Yankees would get Tex along with CC, and when they had CC and Burnett you said “no way, NO F’IN WAY”…and what happened?

    Wow. Other blogs, posters and myself were always considering it but you just said “no way, it’s impossible”. Well, there you go. The times where the front office spoiled all good deals because they played with open cards is apparently over, thank goodness!

    Now please would you write that NO WAY IN HELL the Yankees are bringing back Pettitte so he comes back for sure? Thanks ;)

    Somebody had to write it! But other than that, good job on reporting everything and bringing us much insight as always, I still love this blog!

  49. gianthinker December 24th, 2008 at 4:01 am

    mko=speaks the truth

  50. Alejandro Azim December 24th, 2008 at 4:02 am

    Ankiel for Kennedy isnt a laugher at all… Cardinals are very much interested in Kennedy and arent serious about re-signing Ankiel because he could be out of the price range. All the rumors and articles floating around suggest a serious interest on the Cardinals part. Its actually Cashman who is reluctant to pull the trigger. I think Cashman would rather hold on to Kennedy spend another 20 million plus on Holliday next year. I think Yankees have the pitching depth with the other prospects we have to make this trade and like I said Ankiel is much cheaper than Holliday.

    So no Kevin im not dreaming. Cardinals would love this trade. Its the Yankees and Brian Cashman that are reluctant to let go of a top prospect.

  51. Alejandro Azim December 24th, 2008 at 4:05 am

    Petitte makes perfect sense over adding another free agent like Sheets, etc. Having four picthers (Wang, sabathia, Burnett and Sheets) be a lock for the next three years or so for the top four rotation spots will only hurt our pitching prospects’ growth.
    A one year deal for Andy makes perfect sense and Andy wants to pitch in the new stadium badly. Petitte would be an idiot by not signing now with the Yankees. I think he needs us more than we need him. No team out there is going to give him 15 million or the 16 that he is asking for.

  52. retire #51 December 24th, 2008 at 4:07 am

    cano is far from deserving the 3 spot at the moment.

    Damon LF
    Jeter SS
    Nady RF
    Arod 3b
    Tex 1b
    Matsui DH
    Posada C
    Cano 2b
    swisher/garnder/melky CF

  53. Alejandro Azim December 24th, 2008 at 4:11 am

    Its obvious that Tex would be the #3 hitter unless the Yankees get Manny. Girardi would want him to bat as often as possible and his OBP was .410 last year. Nady was .357

    Damon
    Jeter
    Teixeira
    Rodriguez
    Matsui
    Posada
    Nady
    Cano
    Swisher/Cabrera/Gardner

  54. retire #51 December 24th, 2008 at 4:18 am

    i like the team how it is, no need to trade nady (solid player all around), matsui has little value at the moment (worth more to keep him for the upside). Damon and swisher are both solid, add in gardner/melky and you have a ridiculous and stable outfield.

  55. Alejandro Azim December 24th, 2008 at 4:26 am

    Matsui’s contract will expire and Yankees have no intentions on resigning him or damon. We could get more value for Matsui because all the economics surrounding him. He is a cash cow because of the Japanese media and San Francisco would love to have him and would sign him next year anyway. So might as well get value now for him.

    Melky has no speed in the outfield and a nonchalant attitude that makes him more of a hindrance. Gardner has great speed and a great attitude but he just doesnt have the talent with the glove or the bat and his arm is non existent as well.

    Swisher is the only solid outfielder we truly have. The rest are good enough but would be minor league guys on any other team. We loved Bubba Crosby and what happened to him. same story with gardner.

    I say get Ankiel… Forgetting about the outfield and defense and solely about pitching was the reason we got Randy Johnson instead Carlos Beltran. Im actually surprised Cashman got Teixeira. Tex is a perfect fit and Yankees rarely go after those guys. ANkiel would be another perfect fit and would be great for our future as well.

  56. Ryan December 24th, 2008 at 4:33 am

    Juan Miranda pretty much becomes obsolete. They should take him off Roster for Tex. Matsui would make the most sense to try and dump salary and free up a roster spot and a DH spot. If they got rid of Matsui and maybe half his contract to a team looking for a cheap DH for one year for low level prospects that would take care of the log jam and cut budget 6.5 mill. problem solved and outfielders for next year too. 2010:( LF-swisher CF-Gardner RF-Jackson or Nady)

  57. No Trade Clause December 24th, 2008 at 4:33 am

    Pete, there is no need to make a trade with Nady/Matsui/Melky/Gardner/Swisher.

    And you are definitely wrong about benching Swisher. he will play mostly everyday. The odd men out will be Melky/gardner. Damon and Swisher will be used to cover LF/CF for the most part, and I’m sure they’ll find ways to get gardner occasional starts as older dudes need days off here and there. Girardi is also prone to benching starters way too often due to pitching matchups. So there will be plenty of playing time for Gardner. Gardner is also a great pinchrunner when the Yankees need a SB late in any game. Also, gardner can be a defensive replacement late in some games (when Yanks have the lead) for whoever is playing CF (most likely Damon).

    The signing of Teixeira not only improves the starting lineup potency and infield defense, it also boosts the bench depth by making Gardner/Melky a 4th OF instead of a guy you need to rely on for guaranteed production in the everyday lineup. Remember, using Hughes and Kennedy blew up in their face last year. The Yankees are not going to let Gardner keep a starting job over Swish and Nady when the guy hasn’t proven anything yet.

  58. No Trade Clause December 24th, 2008 at 4:49 am

    Oh and t’s obvious that Tex will bat 3rd and ARod 4th. You guys that think Cano or Nady are good enough to hit 3rd are nuts.

  59. No Name December 24th, 2008 at 5:01 am

    You aren’t supposed to forget that Matsui brings the Japanese money to Yankees.

  60. sevrox December 24th, 2008 at 5:46 am

    Yep – Arod in the 3-hole is the way to go.

    Damn!!!!!!!!!! Good times next year – should be a might less frustrating than last year…

    Should be.

  61. JJ December 24th, 2008 at 6:02 am

    Posoda is a question mark.I really worry about his performance for next year.

  62. Tarheelyank December 24th, 2008 at 6:04 am

    3 players I would not mind moving to clear space. Shelly, Edwar, and Miranda. Hard to move and you probably wont get much back.

    Mclouth would make an interesting pick up. I wonder what it would take? Kennedy, Melky, +?

  63. Patrick Bateman December 24th, 2008 at 6:15 am

    Miranda will never play 1B for the Yankees with Teixeira in front of him, so they can ship him off somewhere.

  64. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love December 24th, 2008 at 6:16 am

    Listening to ESPN-Mike & Mike in the morning right now: holy hateraid.
    “This is so bad for the sport.”
    “This is a bad day.”

    Oh Peter Gammons will be on soon. Fun!

  65. sevrox December 24th, 2008 at 6:23 am

    Wouldn’t surprise me if Cash told Swish to play up the 1B angle just to avert attention away from the fact he also told Boras to give him a call before anything gets signed. The machinations behind the scenes would make for a fine novella. I believe Tex really wanted to be a Yankee since he was probably offered the same amount of money/length of contract from other teams.

    One reason for Swish’s discontent in Chicago was batting leadoff – I wonder if moving down in the lineup yet still playing CF would appeal to him. Shoring up his CF skills would give him something to work on in Spring Training, fo shizzle. That’s one mo-fo’in powerful lineup:

    Damon LF/Jeter SS/Arod 3B/Tex 1B/Posada C/Matsui LF/Swisher CF/Nady RF/Cano 2B – damn that felt good typing that lineup out(!)

    The intoxication of righteous indignation amongst the RSN is something to behold!

    I’ll certainly miss the waterbuffalo’d Giambi “spinning” to throw to 2nd base, thinking better of it, and beating the runner by 1/12 of a step to 1B. He had some mighty entertaining at-bats, though, and seemed to be a goodhearted/goodnatured fella. Gotta move on…

  66. Pick December 24th, 2008 at 6:28 am

    S.a. its eric and marcellus wiley today on mike and mike. Greeny is a yanks fan

  67. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love December 24th, 2008 at 6:30 am

    I thought Greeny was a Mets fan?
    Eric is a Red Sox fan and lord he is pissed. lol

  68. Pick December 24th, 2008 at 6:33 am

    hey eric is from hamden, ct(sox country)

    greeny is a yanks fan not as die hard as us losers. but he enjoys the cubbies too(he went to northwestern)

  69. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love December 24th, 2008 at 6:38 am

    Not as die hard as us losers? Well alrighty then.

  70. Y's Guy December 24th, 2008 at 7:08 am

    bye shelly! good luck!

  71. Mr. Fox December 24th, 2008 at 7:20 am

    Peter Gammons just said at 7:14 AM December 24th, 2008 on Mike and Mike that the Red Sox bid was a “hoax”… The Pinnacle has been reached. This is the zenith of delusion.

  72. Y's Guy December 24th, 2008 at 7:23 am

    gammons:waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

    i think its funny, boston wanted to keep thier rat-infested, titanic-era bandbox when the team proposed building (basically a modern replica) of the fens. but nooooooooo the fans wouldnt have it. now thier gonna cry about how the big bad yankees have too much revenue!

    enjoy waiting in line 2 innings for the bathroom FOREVER!

  73. Mr. Fox December 24th, 2008 at 7:25 am

    And whats with this half a billion garbage on Mike and Mike? I was under the impression that we spent around 425 million on these 3 guys. Guess 75 million is nothing to Erick.

  74. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 7:26 am

    Re post:

    CB
    December 24th, 2008 at 12:17 am
    “They have the most money. Now they have a better decision making process. God help the rest of baseball.”

    Great summary. This is what appears to have happenned this off season.

    No more tampa faction vs new york faction in fighting.

    No more we can sign Vlad Guerrero but we wind up with Sheffield for irrational reasons.

    No more bidding against themselves for Giambi as George did. Instead they let the market mature for the free agent 1b they want and then step in when they know what the going market rate is.

    NO more over the hill left handed former aces like RJ. Now it’s paying top dollar but for a left handed ace in his prime.

    Baseball is going to complain not fare – but it’s not truly the money they’ll be complaining about.

    What is now dawning on them is that the yankees are now getting value for their investments instead of squandering cash.

    Good Morning Yankee Nation..:)

    CB

    I thought this post deserved to be seen again, I remember last year, when many baseball people were getting concerned about the Yanks getting great talent in the farm system.

    What I read was (can’t remember the GM’s name) he said with the Yanks farm system is getting very healthy, and the money they will free up…the rest of baseball better watch out, at the time I didn’t think much about it…but yesterday Cash surely sent a message, to not only Agents but to all of baseball..

    I’m very happy to be a Yanks fan, there are not many teams that will go to this length to win..

  75. Viper December 24th, 2008 at 7:30 am

    Did you even listen to the entire interview?

    Gammons included the Red Sox and Mets in his argument about big market teams turning off fans in small market cities.

    He said Selig is probably concerned about baseball being controlled by three teams – Yanks, Mets, and Red Sox. Yes, he said the Red Sox, too.

    I know many of you guys don’t like Gammons but at least be honest about what he said.

  76. Baseball Guy December 24th, 2008 at 7:33 am

    Yankees vs Red Sox Starting Players Comparison

    Home grown or not? Take a look!

    C Jorge Posada YES Jason Varitek (?)No
    1b Mark Teixeira No Kevin Youkilis YES
    2b Robinson Cano YES Dustin Pedroia YES
    SS Derek Jeter YES Julio Lugo No
    3b Alex Rodriguez No Mike Lowell No
    LF Johnny Damon No Jason Bay No
    CF Gardner/Cabrera YES Jacoby Ellsbury YES
    RF Nick Swisher No J.D. Drew No
    DH Hideki Matsui No David Ortiz No
    SP CC Sabathia No Josh Beckett No
    AJ Burnett No D. Matsuzaka No
    Chin Ming Wang YES Jon Lester YES
    Joba Chamberlain YES Tim Wakefield No
    Pettitte/Highes ??? YES* Clay Bucholz YES
    RP Mariano Rivera YES Jonathan Papelbon YES

    Total YES 8 6

  77. rick December 24th, 2008 at 7:33 am

    gammons is just a boston fan….the truth of the matter is this…tex wanted to be a yankee all along and boston never had a chance to sign him if the yankees wanted to be in the game with him….

  78. Vrsce December 24th, 2008 at 7:33 am

    Baseball is the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets.

  79. Baseball Guy December 24th, 2008 at 7:34 am

    I apologize for the above chart. It looked great in the box BEFORE I hit submit….

  80. never knew... December 24th, 2008 at 7:35 am

    wow viper, thats really fresh. i never had any idea that the small markets were pissed about the big markets taking all the talent. when did this happen? that gammons is a genius.

  81. Mr. Fox December 24th, 2008 at 7:38 am

    I heard him say the Boston bid was a hoax. Am I being dishonest?

    Plus you can afford to mention your team as not to look biased when the trigger to this commotion isn’t your favorite team. When the mortgage crisis first hit everyone used that little rhetorical trick. They would start by bashing the other party and then slipping in a tidbit about how both parties are to blame. Please…

    If some token reference to his favored team being part of this makes Gammons a saint then he is playing you like a violin.

  82. Viper December 24th, 2008 at 7:39 am

    wow viper, thats really fresh. i never had any idea that the small markets were pissed about the big markets taking all the talent. when did this happen? that gammons is a genius.

    —————-

    Whatever, dude.

    My point was simply that Gammons wasn’t just focusing on the Yanks as the above post implied.

    He included the Red Sox and Mets as well.

    But Gammons also said that a hated Yankees team is good for baseball because they generate the most revenue for the game.

  83. rick December 24th, 2008 at 7:40 am

    gammons worry about a few teams is unwarranted. over the last few decades the yankees have out spent everyone and have been competitive each year. over that time baseball attendance has risen….maybe there is a correlation between the yankees competitiveness and attendance rising.baseball needs the yankees to be competitive….the other teams need someone to fill their ballparks and sell their merchandise and the yankees do that….the yankees are what baseball needs..thanx to the steinbrenners

  84. i am the walrus December 24th, 2008 at 7:43 am

    The larger issue which the Yankee haters NEVER really mention is that other teams could invest in their teams much more than they do.

    The Yankees can’t bid on every free agent out there. These other teams get plenty of money from the communistic revenue sharing and they owners pocket the money.

    They can whine all they want, but the real anger should be directed at teams that put the lowest payroll budgets together that doesn’t even cost what their revenue sharing gives them.

    The Yankees invest in the team. The other teams that do, but to a far lesser extent are the teams that contend regularly.

    If baseball is upset over the Yankees putting profits back into their team, then instead of giving the owners this revenue sharing for them to do with as they want (mostly pocket it), make it so for them to get the money they have to spend it on the players. Its the reason behind them doing this so force their hand.

    Gammons comment just shows his lack of objectivity. Sour grapes from a tool of the Saux that “knew” the Red Sox were getting Teixeira. My take on this is that Mark knew where he wanted to play, and he also knew that he didn’t want to play in Boston.

    I can guarantee you that the Saux offer was real, and they believed all the third world nation pontifications that they were the “only” true bidders and team that would get Teixeira. They were certain that the Yankees wouldn’t sign yet another top FA for a big contract this winter. The RS gambled and lost.

  85. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 7:44 am

    The Yankees stole another player away from the Red Sox yesterday, though Boston will hardly bemoan the loss of Kevin Cash as much as it did watching Mark Teixeira take, well, the Yankee cash and run to The Bronx.

    The Yankees did not announce any signing, but they did come to terms with Cash on a minor league deal that will pay him $700,000 if he plays in the majors, The Post has learned.

  86. Viper December 24th, 2008 at 7:44 am

    Playing me like a violin? You can’t be serious.

    All I did was contribute what Gammons actually said. But the implication is that he went on some kind of tirade about how terrible this was for baseball.

    He didn’t do that at all. In fact, he complimented them several times.

  87. murphydog December 24th, 2008 at 7:46 am

    “Peter Gammons just said at 7:14 AM December 24th, 2008 on Mike and Mike that the Red Sox bid was a “hoax”… The Pinnacle has been reached. This is the zenith of delusion.”

    Did you see the new book? “Tails I Win, Heads You Lose; Invincible Ignorance in Red Sox Nation” by Peter Gammons.

    While Peter G. can sometimes lay it on a little thick, in hindsight Gammons is right after all.

    The Sox are supposed to have a monster 1st base prospect coming up whose future may not have seemed as clear last year or the year before when Teix looked like the perfect fit. They also have Youk who finished just out of the money in MVP last year if I recall correctly, and either the prospect or Youk would arguably give Boston a plus 1st baseman at a low price for years.

    Boston made a fair offer for Teix, out of due diligence, and stuck to their guns. They wouldn’t raise their price however and were content to allow themselves to be elbowed out at the last minute after driving up the price for the Yankees. The fact is that Boston didn’t really need Teix, although having him would have been nice. Given the Yankees’ lack of position prospects, and the rapid aging of the Yankee core (Jeter, Po and Mo) Cash had much more motivation to do this than Theo did.

    Consider it just another example of how good player development really saves you money.

  88. Bret the Hitman December 24th, 2008 at 7:49 am

    Re: Defense

    The best defensive configuration in the OF is:

    Damon in LF, Melky in CF and Nady in RF

    Matsui would be the DH and Swisher on the bench

    If Melky underperforms:

    Swisher in LF, Damon in CF and Nady in RF

    If Damon gets injured:

    Swisher in LF, Melky in CF, Nady in RF

    If Matsui gets injured

    Swisher in LF, Melky in CF, Nady in RF

    Damon the DH

    But the biggest question mark is Posada.

    Does he need to DH more than they’re letting on?

  89. Viper December 24th, 2008 at 7:49 am

    Well, the fact of the matter is that we’re almost back to the early 2000s when they were the Evil Empire and everyone was gunning for them.

    They kind of lost that edge the last few years.

    I don’t have a problem with it. The Yanks have been the most hated team in MLB for a better part of 90 years – since Ruth and Gehrig were relentless in clubbing their competition.

    Say it with pride – we ARE the MFYs!!!!

  90. Mark in Tampa December 24th, 2008 at 7:50 am

    The way I heard it, was that Gammons was implying that Boras/Tex were never serious about taking the red sox or nats offers. He wasn’t trying to say that the red sox didn’t make a real offer. Those were a hoax, because any offers were just setting the market for the Yanks. Just my perspective. I didn’t hear too much bellyaching from Gammons in that interview.

  91. Viper December 24th, 2008 at 7:53 am

    Consider it just another example of how good player development really saves you money.

    —————–

    Exactly.

    And I certainly hope Cashman and Co. have learned from their past mistakes and will continue to invest heavily in player development because that part of their game was really ignored for a number of years while the Red Sox continued to do a much better job in that area.

  92. Ryan December 24th, 2008 at 7:59 am

    Bc the yanks are such a big market team with so much revenue no player will except anything less but a record setting contract from them…I mean Jeter,Posada,Mo are all products of the farm and they are the highest paid players at their respective positions. You work for a big market company with tons of revenue in any profession and the pay day is always gonna be bigger. While a small market team will enjoy discounted prices from player who want to go there the exact oppossite happens when a player wants to come here. I mean it’s all pretty relative, a player is gonna demand more from a team with more revenue. In the end you cannot entirely blame the yanks for FA’s holding them hostage. It’s no coincidence we have the highest paid SS, C, Closer in baseball and they all came up through the system and are “true yankees”. The yanks got killed for yrs for only paying mo 11 mill a yr.

  93. i am the walrus December 24th, 2008 at 8:01 am

    Murphydog, I don’t buy that at all.

    They have a weaker lineup with Manny gone and Ortiz showing the effects of juicing like Giambi showed. No matter how good a prospect looks in the minors, they know very well that they could end up a bust totally or take a lot longer to develop keeping them out of contention.

    Lars has been projected as a very good 1st baseman by some, as really not much more than a DH by others. How has he done so far in the majors? He hasn’t.

    Boston has a concern over Lowell, Ortiz, Veritek, and to some extent Drew who seems to have health concerns each season.

    They were in on Teixeira, no matter how they will try to spin it now.

    It could very well be that last week the Sox were told that Teixeira didn’t want to play for them. That might have been what Teixeira was candid about. They kept in the bidding anyway to keep the price up, but to say they didn’t want him because of an unproven prospect who very well may flop in the majors just doesn’t wash.

    A lot of the “can’t miss” kids do flop. Its why teams bid on proven players. Its why the Yankees struggled last year with their starting pitching.

  94. Eric Oz December 24th, 2008 at 8:03 am

    LF: Damon for 80, Swish for 80.
    CF: Damon for 60, Melky/BG for 100.
    RF: Nady for 120, Swish for 40.

    Thats your outfield, no trades needed. Keep Swish out of CF. Keep Damon as healthy as possible by splitting time in CF/LF.
    Easy.
    I dont see why 4 outfielders getting 400-500 ABs is a problem. Plus, we know that not evryones gonna stay healthy

  95. i am the walrus December 24th, 2008 at 8:04 am

    Ryan, it also has to do with salaries in NY compared to other places in this country. 1 million in NY is a lot different than 1 million in Podunk.

    NY costs more to live. More revenue also means more expenses.

  96. Vrsce December 24th, 2008 at 8:06 am

    Right on Walrus,

    Why I remember a couple of can’t miss pitchers, Hughes and Kennedy.

    Hughes may get there and Kennedy may be gone to St. Loius but they sure missed last year.

  97. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 8:09 am

    Viper:

    Not trying to give you a hard time, but are you sure your a Yankee fan..

  98. Donnie Baseball 23 December 24th, 2008 at 8:09 am

    Interesting FACT guys. The guy who owns the TWINS CARL POHALD is worth 3.1 BILLION $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ so he could very well spend hes money like we do.But he doesnt he pockets it, thats who MLB and fans should be mad at not an owner who spends money on their team for their fans

  99. murphydog December 24th, 2008 at 8:10 am

    This “Yankees are ruining baseball – MLB needs a salary cap” socialism is getting a little silly.

    The Yankees are going to help keep baseball alive and well over the next few years when fans and sponsors scale back how much they will support the teams. Meanwhile, the Yankees are committed to giving away vast sums in luxury tax and revenue sharing. The Steinbrenners could do the “prudent thing” and scale back too, like everyone else. But they aren’t going to, not on a dramatic scale anyway. Thank god for the few remaining capitalists who are willing and able to keep pouring money into their product.

    Which reminds me… That arrogant boob, Lupica, was moaning the other day about the Yankees and the NYC mayor’s office using what Loopy Lupica called an “inflated” assessment of the Stadium property to convince the IRS to OK some more bonds. Ooh la, la. Quel Scandal!

    Am I losing my mind or was Lupica advocating that the Yankees give the IRS an assessment that was bad for the Yankees and good for the IRS?

    Since when does anyone in their right minds start off a negotiation at the lowest possible point and agree to get taken lower by the other side? Since when does anyone dealing with the IRS get all warm and fuzzy and sell themselves short so as not to deprive our friends at the poor old IRS of some more money? Because everyone knows how dopey and passive the IRS is when it comes to getting the biggest bite possible.

    I’m sure Loopy negotiated his last contract that way, giving the advantage to the employer by starting off with his lowest possible salary demand. And I’m just as sure that he waives all of his deductions and exemptions when he prepares his tax return.

    Maybe the Steinbrenners can buy out Loopy so he can move out to The Hamptons to write his childrens’ books and stomp the divots at polo matches full time.

  100. never knew... December 24th, 2008 at 8:11 am

    the sox are good, but lets see how they do for a full season w/o manny. youk and elf arent going to match last season, so they are hoping for comeback years from papi and lowell, just like we need them from matsui and posada.

  101. never knew... December 24th, 2008 at 8:11 am

    the sox are good, but lets see how they do for a full season w/o manny. youk and elf arent going to match last season, so they are hoping for comeback years from papi and lowell, just like we need them from matsui and posada.

  102. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 8:11 am

    The Yanks are moving in the right direction for sure, this off-season has proved they will not trade away their young talent..and they used their greatest resource to fill holes $$$, that the farm system isn’t ready to replace..

  103. never knew... December 24th, 2008 at 8:11 am

    sorry i swear i only hit the submit button once!

  104. Russell NY December 24th, 2008 at 8:16 am

    I love how Peter Gammons is the spokesperson on the radio for the Tex Crybaby Parade.

  105. Viper December 24th, 2008 at 8:17 am

    Viper:

    Not trying to give you a hard time, but are you sure your a Yankee fan..

    —————

    Of course I’m a Yankee fan. But I’m an honest one.

    Gammons doesn’t bother me but a lot of people hate the guy because he happens to be close with the Yanks’ most hated rival.

    That’s petty.

    BTW, you can’t argue that the Yanks ignored the farm system for several years and let their hated rival pull ahead in player development and overall talent evaluation.

    The Yanks certainly have the most money – but they often don’t make the wisest decisions with it.

  106. never knew... December 24th, 2008 at 8:18 am

    this leaves the angels in bad shape. they have said manny wont be on the team in 2009, so thier offense is really weakened. this is probably good for jason giambi as the a’s smell blood in the water and likely will sign giambino to power the lineup.

  107. aardvark December 24th, 2008 at 8:22 am

    Sabathia, Texiera, Burnett. This is why people hate the Yankees. It’s been fun these past few years to watch them throw money at the most expensive players out there and not win championships. They are the Bush Administration of baseball. You still gotta play the games, though. A-Rod will still pop up in clutch situations, Damon still can’t throw, and Jeter will continue grounding into double plays. Meanwhile, their historic stadium is gone, replaced (at public expense) by a modern money machine that guarantees ridiculous salaries to players who had their best years elsewhere. The Rays were a great story in 2008, the Red Sox in 2004. Someone else will capture baseball’s imagination in 2009 without beating everybody else over the head with their wallets. The Yankees have just made rooting against them even more enjoyable.

  108. Donnie Baseball 23 December 24th, 2008 at 8:22 am

    LOOK The guy who owns the TWINS CARL POHALD is worth 3.1 BILLION $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ so he could very well spend hes money like we do.But he doesnt he pockets it, thats who MLB and fans should be mad. LETS GO YANKEES!!!!!!

  109. murphydog December 24th, 2008 at 8:23 am

    i am the walrus:

    Obviously I wasn’t in on the negotiating any more than you were. So, it’s all open to reasonable interpretation, no?

    It make little sense to believe that Teix, a Boras client who has a money-first track record with the Avenging Agent, got all soft and gooey and confessed to The Sox that he didn’t want to play for them regardless of their offer and that, again, regardless of offer, he wanted to play for the Yankees instead. Boras and Teix are all about the money and getting that money from a team that has a chance to win.

    My real point, however, was that Cashman had more of a need than Theo did to commit that many years and that much money at 1st base. It is reasonable to infer that Boston offered what they considered a fair price out of due diligence (they had a business duty to made a competitive offer) and refused to go higher, believing that Youk and the prospect are a better than average plan at 1st base versus overpaying for Teix. You’d also have to concede that position players are a little easier to predict than young pitchers, although nobody is a sure thing.

    But I could easily be wrong.

    All I’m saying is that in hindsight, maybe Gammons is more right than wrong when he said that at some point, Boston decided to stay involved just to drive up the price.

  110. helno51 December 24th, 2008 at 8:24 am

    Swisher is now a bench guy? Wouldnt he be a better option in center since he played there last year and is clearly a better offensive player than gardner and melky?

  111. helno51 December 24th, 2008 at 8:24 am

    Swisher is now a bench guy? Wouldnt he be a better option in center since he played there last year and is clearly a better offensive player than gardner and melky?

  112. never knew... December 24th, 2008 at 8:26 am

    rob neyer (bill james desciple) says the yankees are now the team to beat in the al east. (olney said the yanks and sox are even, phillips said the yankees have ‘come closer to par with the sox’)

  113. Russell NY December 24th, 2008 at 8:26 am

    “Trade Nady to the Mets for JJ Putz”

    3.88 ERA, injuries, no TY. Let him thrive in the NL Crap.

  114. Russell NY December 24th, 2008 at 8:28 am

    If I’m correct… havent the Yankees dropped 20 million in payroll since last year if they don’t sign anyone else? Trade Matsui or Nady for prospects and bring back Pettitte. Offseason is done. Good move picking up Kevin Cash. Even though he sucks offensively… if we trade Matsui and Posada can’t catch then we have a rotation of the big man and Cash behind the plate for good defensive skills and Posada can plug perfectly into the DH spot.

  115. i am the walrus December 24th, 2008 at 8:30 am

    Viper, the trouble with Gammons is that far too often he is showing his RS undies. When it comes to reporting on most of the other teams he is pretty balanced and fair, but when it comes to talking about the Yankees he and his NE biased buddies lose the objectivity.

    He sometimes tries to throw a bone to Yankee fans, but it is ALWAYS colored by his bias against them.

    Frankly, in every sport, there are teams that are hated which brings in viewers to watch them with the hopes they fail. The Yankees corner the market on fans as well as foes. It doesn’t mean other teams can’t compete with them. Far from it. Otherwise you wouldn’t have the Marlins and the Rays from this year doing what they did. They can’t sustain it, but any team can rise to the level of competition. The Yankees actually help keep that level high.

    If it weren’t for the Yankees the Red Sox wouldn’t have invested as they did in their team. Their goal was more to beat the Yankees and by doing so they won two championships.

    When you are on top all others try to pull you down.

  116. Mr. Fox December 24th, 2008 at 8:30 am

    “They are the Bush Administration of baseball.”

    Oh for the love of God ST*U man.

  117. rick December 24th, 2008 at 8:33 am

    for gammons and the rest of the hate the yankees group, it would have been okay for the red sox to sign tex….then everything would have been okay with baseball….gammons is crying like a baby

  118. never knew... December 24th, 2008 at 8:33 am

    dan graziano says the mets are out on manny, apparently ownership said no to omar. (or madoff ‘said no’ to wilpon.)

    that leaves dc and the dodgers. and now im sure that alot of teams are going to go do thier buisness with abreu, giambi and others and not wait on boras and manny to decide.

    its not going to go the way scotty had scripted it.

  119. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 8:35 am

    Viper:

    I agree they ahdn’t in the past made the wisest moves, but Cash wasn’t exactly in total control. These signings were needed and smart, they got 2 ace’s and the best hitter/position player available..Tex helps the line-up and defense..plus gives the farm time to develope..

    I give props to the Sux on player developement, but there are more home grown Yanks on their roster, than there are home Sux on their roster.

  120. Viper December 24th, 2008 at 8:36 am

    I wouldn’t trade anyone right now.

    Given the health of Matsui last season and the overall age factor with Damon – we’ll probably see plenty of Swisher.

    Having too many players often have a way of working themselves out – kind of like the old adage – “You can’t ever have enough pitching.”

  121. Pel December 24th, 2008 at 8:39 am

    “The Yanks certainly have the most money – but they often don’t make the wisest decisions with it.”

    And since they *did* make the wisest decisions in this years free agent market, everybody’s suddenly throwing a tantrum.

  122. never knew... December 24th, 2008 at 8:42 am

    trading godzilla now would be stupid. you’d have to eat a big chunk of his salary and get very little in return in a market with a glut of corner OF’s. but whats more is that if he is healthy, and he has had since august to heal, he’s a .300 20 Hr 100 rbi guy. and at dh with extra days off thrown in he will be healthy. his potential impact for the yankees cant be matched by eating a chunk of his contract and then signing somebody else.
    tex/arod/matsui (heatlhy) is a monster to deal with.

  123. GreenBeret7 December 24th, 2008 at 8:42 am

    It’s amazing that the Boston fanbase and media slugs are whining bout the Yankees for signing Teixeira….trying to buy a title. Exactly what the Hell were they trying to do? Chase Teixeira away and send him packing back to the Angels? As best as I can remember, Ramirez wasn’t born in Red Sox Nation, either, nor was half of their team.

  124. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    Call me crazy but don’t be surprised if Manny falls in our lap..

  125. Viper December 24th, 2008 at 8:44 am

    I give props to the Sux on player developement, but there are more home grown Yanks on their roster, than there are home Sux on their roster.

    ————

    Yeah, but most of those players are either way up there in age or young arms.

    They have very few position players who will be ready to play for the big club anytime soon for the exception of Jackson.

    The Red Sox have run rings around the Yanks in developing position players the last few years. It’s not even close.

    I understand Cashman wasn’t in total control of the farm in the early 2000s. But that doesn’t change the fact that this organization ignored that area for several years and it has really come back to bite them.

    Wait until next season when Nady, Matsui, and Damon all come off the books and they have to shop for more outfielders in a crappy FA market – although it’s more than possible that Swisher will be one of them now that Teixeira is the first baseman.

  126. Donnie Baseball 23 December 24th, 2008 at 8:44 am

    People say that Yanks buy ‘SHIPS in reality we havent won a WS since we spent a ton of money on Free Agents, actually Boston won the WS after they went out and bought players so really they BOUGHT 2 WS rings. If Boston went out and got TEX and say Lowe or someone else that wouldve been great for them and their fans. If Balt or Wash spent 160-200$ on TEX then WOW they have a face for their franchise. If CC signed with LAA then then every1 will say that they had to do that and they can contend for yrs. Same with AJ. The Yanks just got all 3 because they wanna win and be a part of the greatest franchise in all of sports. LETS GO YANKS

  127. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 8:45 am

    GreenBeret7:

    What a day yesterday was, hugh who would thought…great day for the Yanks..

  128. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 8:47 am

    Viper:

    I’m no expert on the farm but the Yanks will run circle’s around the Sux in pitchers in the minor’s…

  129. never knew... December 24th, 2008 at 8:47 am

    thats why swisher wont be the one to go, if anybody goes. they’d like to think that jackson and swisher could be 2/3 of their OF after 2009.
    if anybody goes, i think it will be nady.

  130. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Donnie Baseball 23:

    Amen!!!!!!!!!

  131. Ryan December 24th, 2008 at 8:48 am

    yankees can def trade swisher to mets or offer them nady back. I say swisher, he never actually played for the yanks so how could he be missed. Nady has proven he can come up big in spots,has pop, right handed, and hits for an acceptable average. With Tex on 1st and Ransom as the utilitly guy, swisher’s ability to play 1B becomes less attractive. With Melky and Garnder platooning for the CF spot, one of them will always be available to cover the corners. I think with Ransom,molina,melky taking 3/4 of the bench spots a SS/2B type would benefit them more durning the season.

  132. i am the walrus December 24th, 2008 at 8:50 am

    Murphydog, obviously none of us were in the negotiations with Teixeira. What I am doing is looking at the whole history of what was reported and done to come up with what I think could have happened.

    1. Boston ticked Teixeira off during his High School years by making him fall in draft. Its been reported that while the end result was better for Mark there was cause for him not to like their tactics.

    2. The reports were that Teixeira was narrowing his choices and eliminating teams from his list.

    3. The RS flew out to meet with Teixeira last week thinking that they were going to sign a contract. After the meeting the RS were saying that he Mark talked to them, they were impressed but “given the contract demands” didn’t believe they were going to sign him… this after all the reports had the RS offer in the lead.

    4. The Angels pulled out of their going after Teixeira stating that they “believed” he wanted to play on the East coast. This after the report that Teixeira was narrowing his list of teams.

    5. Boras is an agent that will get you top dollar, but the players also want to ultimately be where they want to be. Seeing how things went for A-Rod might have changed perspective about how to get your money while also getting the team that you want.

    6. The RS said that Teixeira was impressive, and very forthcoming. It was after that, not before, that they started tempering expectations of them signing Teixeira.

    7. The Orioles were told that while they stated that they had some flexibility in being able to lead to a contract, Teixeira was going another direction.

    When you look at all these things, it could very well add up to Teixeira stating his desire to go to the Yankees, but he wasn’t going to give a discount to do so. It could very well be that Cashman worked with Boras and Teixeira to see what his market was going to be. That doesn’t mean that if they were blown away with an offer they wouldn’t take it if the Yankees weren’t going to match it.

    I think all the stuff that went down with A-Rod could have helped create a bit of a shift with getting a balance of good money while still playing for the team that you want to play for. Getting a great contract on a team you really don’t like for a long term leads to dissatisfaction.

    My real point is I believe there were a lot of behind the scenes stuff going on with this.

  133. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 8:51 am

    never knew…:

    If Melky works out, AJ CF, Melky in LF, Swisher in RF..?

  134. never knew... December 24th, 2008 at 8:53 am

    i dont think the yankees see a whole lotta melky in thier future. give him a shot this season, sure, but long term i dont think cash has him penciled in to start.

  135. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 8:55 am

    never knew..:

    I know but he will get a shot, that is why I said if he works out. He is only 23..

  136. Y's Guy December 24th, 2008 at 8:55 am

    walrus… all that didnt matter at all, in the end, the yankees had a price for him in mind, but since they hate dealing w/ boras thier plan was to wait till the last second and then swoop in and take him.

    all the crap that got them there couldve gone in any direction but the ending was going to be the same.

  137. John in Ohio December 24th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Just an informal poll:

    Would you pay cash money to see Lupica and Skip Bayless in a cage match?

  138. smokin jumper December 24th, 2008 at 9:01 am

    what made everything go yesterday was the nats upping thier offer. they basically said we’ll give you whatever you want to come here. boras couldnt hold the nats off anymore without revealing that tex wasnt taking dc’s money no matter how high the piled it. that forced the cascade to start, the sox had to thorw down a final offer and assume that tex would rather be on a winner. that set the markte in stone and the yankees bid basically $1M more and it was a done deal.

  139. Taylor December 24th, 2008 at 9:01 am

    Pete, Nick Swisher > Xavier Nady. If one of them was on the bench, it would be Nady, who has a career .770 OPS (.317 OBP) against rightys, and he would play only against leftys. But my guess is he’s traded.

  140. able 21 December 24th, 2008 at 9:07 am

    testing

  141. i am the walrus December 24th, 2008 at 9:07 am

    Y’s Guy, the Yankees did meet with Teixeira earlier. The Yankees changed their minds last year when it became apparent to them that A-Rod wanted to be a Yankee. The market really didn’t look like much for A-Rod, but then it never developed.

    Ultimately A-Rod never really hit the open market. This season it could be similar with how Teixeira and Boras went about things.

    It could be that Boras worked to get Teixeira to the team he wanted to go to for the value it was worth. For Boras to keep the players he has, he has to also show them that he can get them top dollar while getting them to one of the teams they really want to play for.

    Yes, the Yankees had a price they were willing to pay. From the reports that were out there, the other teams were right there dollar wise as well. I don’t buy it that the Red Sox would allow 12 million over 8 years to be the line they wouldn’t cross.

  142. GreenBeret7 December 24th, 2008 at 9:07 am

    Tim Clougher
    December 24th, 2008 at 8:45 am
    GreenBeret7:

    What a day yesterday was, hugh who would thought…great day for the Yanks..

    ————————————————————

    Yes, it was. I’m not so shocked by the signing, but, at the silence and speed in which it all took place.

    ***Cashman and Hal Steinbrenner = Silent Death***

    I can’t figure out how they kept this from Hank Steinbrenner. No way they could have told him and hope to keep the secret.

  143. smokin jumper December 24th, 2008 at 9:10 am

    anybody know who’s better in RF, nady or swisher? seems like at this point in his career, you get alot more out of johnny damon when he gets regular rest (joe g did a great job at this last season until matsui got hurt) so its likely that nady i guess will slide over to LF when johnny d is off or matsui is off and damon or posada is the dh.

  144. Mazun December 24th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    THANK YOU for not putting Burnett in front of Wang in our rotation. I don’t like how everyone assuming Burnett is our #2 and Wang is pushed back to #3. Wang is our number TWO.

  145. sunny615 December 24th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    Given the fact that the Yanks had Betemit as a bench guy for the past year and seeing how painful it was to watch him, I can see Cash holding on to all of them unless Pettitte finally gets off his patooka and signs on the dotted line. Only when that happens, will a trade be made… and in my gut it may just be Melky for Cameron again.

  146. sunny615 December 24th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    BTW, I also don’t see how Igawa gets traded either. Talk about negative trade value. If Cash insists on inserting him in any trade, he could be a deal killer (see, Brewers/Cameron).

  147. smokin jumper December 24th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    if they keep everybody then gardner and melky are likely fighting it out in ST for a spot on the roster. not likely they’d keep 5 OF’s (plus matsui) when they could keep either one of them in scranton.

  148. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    GreenBeret7:

    For some reason I think Hank, may have known, seems everyone may have had a part in the smoke screen. All the stories that leaked and the timing of them, I still wouldn’t be shocked if Manny and Andy are the final pieces.

  149. The Empire Strikes for the 27th Time December 24th, 2008 at 9:27 am

    The only player that makes sense to be traded now is Nady…and if he gets a big raise in arbitration, then it makes even more sense

    Damon: Our leadoff hitter
    Swisher: young, cost controlled player, solid D, high OBP
    Matsui: low trade value, high upside if healthy
    Gardner/Melky: low trade value
    Nady: FA next year, not projected to be on the team, coming off a career

  150. yankee21 December 24th, 2008 at 9:28 am

    I don’t think you can necessarily lump Gammons in as an extension of ESPN’s brazen tilted coverage of all things Yankees/Redsox.Gammons does offer some objectivity, it just seems to get clouded out by his seemingly endless posts about all things Redsox. To me, he is harmless.

    Regarding the Tex move, let me offer a humble opinion.

    1. This signing will look great for 3-4 years. The Yankees needed a solid, run producing 1B who can play D, and in the near term (about 2-3 years) there is nobody in the system that fills this void.
    2. This move will hamper roster flexibility in the out years (4-8). What do the Yankees do when A-Rod can no longer play 3B adequately? Does he DH in 3 years? Do they shift him to LF, I mean how many FT 3B over the age of 36-37 are their in the ml?

    What do the Yankees do with their big prospect Jesus Montero, if, he can’t stay as a C? I know this is an “if”, but the guy is big, and he turned 19 last month.

    Brandon Laird, another solid 1B prospect, now becomes obsolete as a potential 1B replacement for the Yanks down the road.

    It appears, Yankee brass have made a decision they can manage around these inevitable player position decisions they’ll contend with in 2-3 years.At least I hope they have.

    4. The Yankees player development efforts cannot be left unattended. Signing Tex is a result of their failure in this case even to develop a decent ML 1B since Mattingly and Nick Johnson. This is a slamming endightment of draft and player development neglect and it cost the Yankees big.

    5. The Yankees are going to get criticized when they spend big, and mocked when they fail by all the idiots out there. They might as well do what they think is right for the franchise without worrying about what the national media or their fellow owners cry about.

    6. Last point, clearly what sets Hal/Hank apart from other owners- they put their money where their mouth is (in Hal’s case, isn’t). The owners, GMs around the game wine and moan about the big, bad Yankees and the integrity of the game BS,
    I wonder how long they will wine and moan when they get a slice of that near $27m luxury tax the Yankees will have to shell out for their 2008 payroll?

  151. Y's Guy December 24th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    i think the yanks stretched the budget this year for tex b/c of the long term upside they’ll take a hit this season. i dont see cameron coming, the brewers wont pick up enough of igawa’s contract to make that work.
    as for andy, they might now wish they hadnt made the $10M offer to him but they’re not going to withdraw it and leave him hanging, so i expect he will be the last piece.

  152. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 9:30 am

    The Empire Strikes for the 27th Time:

    I agree, but I beleive there a 2 more pieces before you see that happen..

  153. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love December 24th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    John in Ohio December 24th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    Just an informal poll:

    Would you pay cash money to see Lupica and Skip Bayless in a cage match?

    ——————————————–

    lol
    I just formed a mental image. :o

  154. Fran December 24th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    “6. Last point, clearly what sets Hal/Hank apart from other owners- they put their money where their mouth is (in Hal’s case, isn’t). The owners, GMs around the game wine and moan about the big, bad Yankees and the integrity of the game”

    For everyone who was worried that Hal and Hank would not want to spend as much money or win as much as their dad – think they answered that one.

  155. Phil December 24th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    Swisher is better than Nady at the plate and in the field. Nady will probably get packaged.

  156. Y's Guy December 24th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    i think people way overestimate what the payroll tax money does for other teams. basically i believe there are only like 10 teams that collect it, so for the majority of teams it makes no difference. then you take the (less than) $30M and divide it between those 10 teams and they get $3M apiece or about enough for a scrub pitcher (who on these cheapo teams becomes thier #2 starter)

    the luxury tax is really only supposed to restrict on the spending side, the idea is that the 40% surchage will penalize the spenders enough to make them change thier ways.

    were the yankees the only team that paid it last season?

    it obviously isnt working the way it was designed as the yankees revenue streams overwhelm it.

  157. smoking jumper December 24th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    tim has to have every fa on the market to make it a merry christmas.

  158. longtime December 24th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Melky won’t be with the Yanks on opening day. He shot himself in the foot with the night clubing. Remember when he was sent down, Cano responded. Cano and Melky = trouble.

  159. plaxico December 24th, 2008 at 9:43 am

    “He shot himself in the foot with the night clubing”

    and what’s wrong with that?

  160. harwood December 24th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    I think Matsui gets payroll dumped and Nady or Damon gets package traded for something useful (Infield Prospect or CF). And we sign Manny to DH the next couple years.

  161. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 9:45 am

    smoking jumper:

    No I’m very happy, just don’t be surprised…

  162. Bret the Hitman December 24th, 2008 at 9:47 am

    Re: OF shortage in 2010

    That’s why we will keep Nady and Swisher and Gardner and Cabrera and Jackson.

    The only 2 proven players there are Nady and Swisher.

  163. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    All day yesterday everyone was no way, your crazy, it’s just not impossible and they still have financial flexibility..I believe Andy will sign and Manny could fall in our lap, it’s not impossible…look at the market..

  164. Bret the Hitman December 24th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    So, Nady will be re-signed and Swisher will not be traded.

  165. Joe from Long Island December 24th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Good Morning and Happy Holidays to All –

    Great reading last night and this AM. Great job by Cash.

    In response to some of the post from last night and again this morning, about what the signing fo Tex means for the minor league position player prospects in the Yankees system – like Montero, Laird, Miranda, etc. –

    Well, I’ve been reading John Schuerholz’ book “Built to Win”, which details his strategy to build the Atlanta Braves (a pretty good organization). Whenever he needed to get a specific player, he would use his minor leaguers as trade chips. Now, you figure that at least some of them were pretty good prospects. Yet, I’ve never heard of any of them playing at the MLB level. Maybe they have, but under the radar – which is my point. They didn’t amount to much at the major league level. With prospects, you just don’t know.

    So, for all the hype and anticipation of some of these young players – have a good amount of skepticism. And tend to go with the established player with a good track record when you have a chance.

  166. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    Then they would move a player or 2 in a trade for an upgrade somewhere, and relieve themselves of the contract..that’s all I’m saying..

  167. GreenBeret7 December 24th, 2008 at 9:50 am

    Tim Clougher
    December 24th, 2008 at 9:25 am
    GreenBeret7:

    For some reason I think Hank, may have known, seems everyone may have had a part in the smoke screen. All the stories that leaked and the timing of them, I still wouldn’t be shocked if Manny and Andy are the final pieces.

    ————————————————————

    I don’t think Ramirez will be coming in. No room for him. If he did, by chance, it would be because nobody wanted him and it was an absolute steal…like one year and under 10 mil…to try and rebuld his reputation.

    Pettitte is almost a given. He’s a one year and gone deal. No other starter will go for a deal of one year, especially one of that quality.

    The only other move I can see, and, I’ve asking/bringing up his name is Alex Cora to replace Ransom.

    Wait until late in spring training to move an outfielder, because injuries happen, including to other teams. Right now, there are just too many corner outfielders available for just money.

  168. Bobby December 24th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    This has been irking me for the past 24 hours—

    Is it that hard to believe the Yanks won’t just use Swisher in CF and also sign Andy? The payroll will still only be marginally larger than 2008 and with Matsui’s knees, Damon’s lack of durability and Nady’s lack of success against RHPs up until last year, they can afford to have an extra body in Melky or Gardner and still get one of them 300-350 ABs or so.

    Plus, Nady’s the only one I can see being traded. Damon’s too valuable to the team, Matsui’s injured and also brings A LOT of revenue in from Japan (a point that is lost on so many people) and Swisher’s coming off a horrendous year with 3 years left on his deal. With teams crunching down in this economy, I can’t see teams jumping at him.

    Getting Tex basically says the the Yanks are going all in for 2009. Why would they have to trade an OF or renege on their offer to Pettitte because of payroll concerns when they’re close to last year? It doesn’t make any sense.

    If the economy affects them more than they thought it would, Pettitte, Damon, Nady and Matsui would all be FAs at the end of the season so there’s your cut. They’re going all in this year, period.

    I think Andy Pettitte will be in pinstripes on Opening Day and that’s the only other move they have to make. Other than that you have your 2009 Yankees IMO.

  169. smokin jumper December 24th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    “relieve themselves of the contract”

    this is a euphamism for ‘spend more money” personally i think anybody who is pushing for the yankees to sign ‘salary dump’ matsui and sign manny or dunn or even to sign andy is asking a bit much of this team. they got us the top pitcher, the top hitter and the 2nd best pitcher on the market. dont ppl think its time to say thanks and get ready for ST?

  170. GreenBeret7 December 24th, 2008 at 9:57 am

    smokin jumper
    December 24th, 2008 at 9:53 am
    “relieve themselves of the contract”

    this is a euphamism for ‘spend more money” personally i think anybody who is pushing for the yankees to sign ‘salary dump’ matsui and sign manny or dunn or even to sign andy is asking a bit much of this team. they got us the top pitcher, the top hitter and the 2nd best pitcher on the market. dont ppl think its time to say thanks and get ready for ST?

    ————————————————————

    The Yanks aren’t going to go with two relatively inexperienced, innings challenged pitchers in the rotation, again this year. Not after spending 240 mil to build the team back up.

  171. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    smokin jumper:

    I’m working in the parameter’s the Yankee’s said they are not against going with the same payroll from last year..nothing is impossible. as we all saw yesterday..

    GB:

    I think Manny’s price is gonna fall, do the Dodger swoop in, maybe…but Manny will have a decision to make, IMO..less money in NY or 2 yrs in LA for less than the 45mil offered.

  172. bru December 24th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Viper
    December 24th, 2008 at 8:44 am
    I give props to the Sux on player developement, but there are more home grown Yanks on their roster, than there are home Sux on their roster.
    ——————
    Yeah, but most of those players are either way up there in age or young arms.

    They have very few position players who will be ready to play for the big club anytime soon for the exception of Jackson.

    The Red Sox have run rings around the Yanks in developing position players the last few years. It’s not even close.

    I understand Cashman wasn’t in total control of the farm in the early 2000s. But that doesn’t change the fact that this organization ignored that area for several years and it has really come back to bite them.

    Wait until next season when Nady, Matsui, and Damon all come off the books and they have to shop for more outfielders in a crappy FA market – although it’s more than possible that Swisher will be one of them now that Teixeira is the first
    ————————————————————

    the red sox have done a great job with their farm system but struck gold in one year,not sure but it was within the last few years when they got ells,buchholz,etc….

    the red sox prospects are older & are brought up at an older age than the yankees are so it it too early too tell.

    lester & buchholz are 24 & ells & pedroia are 25,pap is 29,youk will be 30.

    compare that too the yankees prospects who are younger.it will take time to tell.

    if hughes,ajax,montero,brackman,melancon,etc become good then it will be different.

    it is possible that we blow the sox off the map.it is way to early to compare.what happens if lowrie & ells are average players,lars anderson is ok & not great,buchholz doesn’t find it?

    the bright spot is the yankees realize & took steps to fix the farm system & refused to trade our prospects so not only do we have a great team,probably the best on paper team in baseball we have a ton of prospects especially pitchers.

    we have at least 4 good to great catching prospects in cervelli,romine,montero & the other one,i forgot his name.

    we will have a lot of prospects that will make it.i love the fact that we did not deplete our system & still have a lot of money coming off the books after 09,jeter & mo in 2 yrs & the luxury tax limit going up yearly.

    we will be fine.the yankees because of their revenue are forced to pay more for fa unfairly so it costs them more than the rays & most other teams for free agents.

    it is not the yankees fault that they blow all other teams away in revenue & without them baseball would be boring.

    the yankees are no different in the percentage of revenues they spend on payroll.

    do you see the goverment taking money from microsoft & distributing it aroung to corporations??? if i were the yankees i would be upset & take it too court.

    have a cap but to take money from them is wrong.

  173. r00tmaker123 December 24th, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Can we stop talking about Austin Jackson playing our OF for 8 years???? The man only hit .285 with 9 hr and struck out over 100Xs. He’s not the new Ken Griffey Jr. We saw what happens with prospects last year. They are merely prospects and can’t be depended on.

  174. randy l December 24th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    “Obviously, the 34 percent they kick into the revenue- sharing pool and the luxury taxes don’t affect them one whit,” he said.”
    “At the rate the Yankees are going, I’m not sure anyone can compete with them,” Attanasio said in an e-mail. “Frankly, the sport might need a salary cap.”

    few things tick me off more than some guy who made enough money in a free market system to buy a baseball team,and is a guy who probably lives in multiple gated communities, belongs to the most exclusive country club, yacht club, and who flies in his own private plane whining that life isn’t fair and that he can’t compete with the yankees because the playing field isn’t fair.

    i have one simple thing to say to that guy. share your bleeping money that you earned in your lifetime with all the people you have beaten out on your way up. until you do that , shut the hell up.

    that said, merry christmas to Mr.Attanasio
    after all, the yankees give him enough money every year to have very nice christmases.

  175. Y's Guy December 24th, 2008 at 10:07 am

    “if i were the yankees i would be upset & take it too court.

    have a cap but to take money from them is wrong.”

    the yankees would have to sue mlb who negotiated the current cba on all team’s behalf.

    this would cause congress to strip baseball’s antitrrust exemption and lead to the breakup of major league baseball.

    now all this could benefit the yankees in the end if it allowed them to spend at will, but at the risk of killing the golden goose which right now is feeding them more richly than any of thier competitors.

    why mess with whats working for them now?

  176. Brad December 24th, 2008 at 10:11 am

    To add insult to injury, the Yankees signed C Kevin Cash to a minor league deal. He was the personal catcher that caught Wakefield’s knuckleball.
    Gammons will be drinking early today.

  177. Joe from Long Island December 24th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    randy I –

    I had the same reaction when I read that in the paper this morning. The guy is rich beyond what you and I can imagine (he owns a baseball team, after all), and gets revenue sharing money which is made off the efforts of other clubs, which he puts into his own pocket. How much does he re-invest in his own product?

    And Arte Moreno is supposedly obscenely wealthy. He couldn’t pony up a few mill more to re-invest in his product?

    No sympathy here. Quotes like that are meant for the masses, as an excuse for the owner’s refusal to support the team.

  178. jump in smoke her December 24th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    i dont know gammons personally, but as a guy who’s had brain surgery, hes likely on anti-siezure medication and cant drink at all.

  179. randy l December 24th, 2008 at 10:14 am

    “it is not the yankees fault that they blow all other teams away in revenue & without them baseball would be boring.”

    in a real free market, other teams could move into the new york or boston market. that’s the real solution to creating a level playing field.

  180. Brian (Red Sox Fan) December 24th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    I would have posted earlier, but I spent all of last night on the ledge, being consoled/counseled by emergency workers. They do a wonderful job!

    A few thoughts:

    (1) I honestly thought that the Yankees would not seriously pursue Texeira because of concern over the national reaction. I was wrong, wrong, wrong and I am dumb, dumb, dumb. At this point, if they sign Manny by midnight tonite, I wouldn’t be surprised.

    (2) I’m miffed/disappointed at the Red Sox for not closing the deal on a player that they really wanted (no matter what today’s spin is). At this moment, their payroll is under $100M. There is an excellent chance that they’ll decrease spending (from about $133M to $110M – my estimates), even though they have money to burn.

    (4) The Sox are not in bad shape, but their relative strength against the Yankee roster is taking a hit.

    (5) As sidebar to point (1), the Yankees are in a lose-lose situation. If they win the 2009 WS, they will be scorned as Checkbook Champs. If they don’t win the 2009 WS, they will be scorned as underachieving chokers (especially on this blog).

    Obviously, my thoughts are offered as a “enjoy” a bitter breakfast of sour grapes. “Oh, the humanity!”

  181. Brian (Red Sox Fan) December 24th, 2008 at 10:18 am

    Oops …. a “enjoy” = I “enjoy”

  182. Y's Guy December 24th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    gammons ran off a list of teams that cant compete with the yankees this morning. he included the dodgers and angels.

    im sorry, but if the greater l.a. market cant support two top revenue teams, then perhaps the greater l.a. market just cant support 2 mlb teams.

    when i hear teams like the angels, dodgers, cubs cry about not having enough revenue, you’ve gotta look at who’s running those organizations and why they cant get thier huge metropolitan populations excited about baseball. the yankees win by spending money and it all comes back in future revenue. none of these other owners have the balls to try the yankees model with thier team. they are all too cheap.

    if the cubs spent like the yankees do, they’d be the beasts of the nl and wouldnt be able to count the money fast enough. but thier cheap.

  183. Joe from Long Island December 24th, 2008 at 10:21 am

    Brian (Red Sox Fan) –

    Do you think the John Henry’s personal financial status is a factor, not only in the Tex negotiations, but in the team payroll? Do you think it will impact on decision-making going forward?

  184. bru December 24th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    the farm system will always be needed to compete.

    you simply can’t have all free agents.it does not and will not work.

    there has to be at least a small percentage of kids.

    sweeny on wfan now saying arod should bat 3rd & tex 4th ???

    damon
    jeter
    arod
    tex
    matsui
    nady
    posada
    swisher
    cano

    either a trade happens or they will try to have this lineup as much as possible.

    if gardner and melky have a bad spring i do not see swish on the bench & keep a 320 obp cf.

    move nady or matsui,both gone after 09 & we need damon for leadoff.i see a big trade for a cf.

    the yankees will not have swish on the bench if gardner/melky are batting 220 with a 300 obp nor will they play swish in cf.

    will they move damon to cf & swish to lf to have nady,damon,matsui,swish all in the lineup wich makes the most sense if they don’t trade for a cf.

    kennedy has no spot with hughes & others in the minors.i see a nady/swish/matsui trade packaged with kennedy 7 more for a cf.

  185. bru December 24th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    with kennedy & more for a cf.

  186. randy l December 24th, 2008 at 10:24 am

    joe from long island-

    doesn’t this feel like the good old days when the yankees were always the team to beat. teams like the white sox might sneak in and beat them like in 1959 , but the yankees set the standard. it’s a good feeling that while they still have to do it on the field in 2009, that the yankees are back to being the yankees.

  187. Joe from Long Island December 24th, 2008 at 10:28 am

    randy – the only thing missing is the ring. Looking forward to October 2009.

  188. bru December 24th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    why not a hard cap & a minimum cap???

    this fixes everything immediately like in football.

    i am a steelers fan & they do a wonderfull job in never signing huge contracts.they ride a player for a few years & let him go at the right time when they demand a big contract & they always compete.

    what should the cap be?? 160 million? the minimum?? 90 million??

  189. phan December 24th, 2008 at 10:29 am

    the team to beat once again!

    gonna be alot of pressure on cravat-boy to bring it home this year!

  190. sunny615 December 24th, 2008 at 10:30 am

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  191. Brian (Red Sox Fan) December 24th, 2008 at 10:30 am

    JOe from LI …. there’s been nothing in the local media about John Henry’s hedge fund situation, nor the impact on RS spending. The company line (as with the Mets), is that the team is a self-sustaining organization that doesn’t need or use Henry’s personal wealth (assuming he still has any).

    Having said that, I’m concerned about the impact of the Henry’s personal situation on the team’s decision-making. And I’m more concerned after yesterday …..

  192. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 10:30 am

    Brian (Red Sox Fan):

    As a die-hard Yanks fan, you hit the nail on the head. That’s why I don’t really care what their payroll is, I want them to win…as I know you want the Sux(sorry) to win.

    I really wouldn’t be surprised to see Manny fall in our lap..

    Have a Merry Christmas nad a Happy New Year…sorry I do have glee when the Sux fail. nothing personal…

  193. phan December 24th, 2008 at 10:31 am

    “why not a hard cap & a minimum cap???”

    …did you mean besides the fact that it throws the yankees revenue advantage away and the players association will NEVER agree to it?

  194. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY!" December 24th, 2008 at 10:32 am

    Okay so I got a tad of disappointment as I rang the bell hoping to help out the Nats and a Yankee official walked by and didn’t throw in the necessary extra ten million into the pot. But hearing that I may have enough to deliver them Manny has given me some joy!

    (And it would give me total joy to have Manny relegated to the poor Nats, though I’m not sure that playing for a potential winning team has ever mattered to him since he has publicly stated that winning the world series isn’t important…)

    HOWEVER, I do find total and thorough joy in the knowledge that members of RSN find themselves a people in darkness who have seen a great light – but the light is the Yankee Clipper coming to mow them down.

    This from John Henry:

    “We sought to reduce the financial gap and succeeded to a degree. Now with a new stadium filled with revenue opportunities, they have leaped away from us again. So we have to be even more careful in deploying our resources.”

    Give yourselves an extra Christmas Eve treat and read Carfado’s article in the Globe. And if you know you’re going to be overdoing it on sweets, start early by reading the articles under “All Things Teixeira”, on page one of the article. YUM YUM YUM!!!

    HAPPY EATING, ER, READING!!!

    :D

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....p_Emailed6

  195. u tell me December 24th, 2008 at 10:35 am

    ““We sought to reduce the financial gap and succeeded to a degree. Now with a new stadium filled with revenue opportunities, they have leaped away from us again. So we have to be even more careful in deploying our resources.”

    … first shot in another battle to knock down the fens?

  196. Chris December 24th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    The yankees will need to trade a bat in the outfield. It has already been made clear that neither Damon or Swisher will be playing center. Neither of them are going to be on the bench either. Damon is too valuable to be sittiing and they wont bench swisher because he needs an active role to be productive. I can see them trading Nady most likely because he has the most trade value and has an expiring contract with Scott Boras that the yankees are not gonig to want to resign.

    I could see Nady going to Atlanta in return for young pitching or more likely, position prospects. Add in whoever would make it work, Miranda/Kennedy. We might be able to get one of their young starters to fill in the 5th spot in return for Miranda, Kennedy, and Nady. The braves are looking for cheap options and are in need of a leftfielder. Nady is only making 3 mil and if he doesnt work out, atlanta can let him walk.

    The less likely option is San Fransisco.
    If the Yanks could trade Miranda, Nady, and Kennedy for Aaron Rowand, that would seem to make sense for both sides. The Giants would be adding much needed offense while saving money and not having to trade any of their good pitching.

    They wont trade Matsui because no one trusts that he will be healthy. That basically translates to the fact that he is not valued as highly anywhere else.

  197. Tim Clougher December 24th, 2008 at 10:41 am

    trisha – CC and AJ and Sheets – OH MY!”:

    Hate to say it with the Christams spirit all about, but I’m loving the shot fired yesterday….sorry Sux fans:)

  198. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY!" December 24th, 2008 at 10:53 am

    “Hate to say it with the Christams spirit all about, but I’m loving the shot fired yesterday….sorry Sux fans:) ”

    Tim, no matter how tough life is, I can always manage to dig down real deep and find comfort when something bad happens for Sux fans!

    :lol:

  199. Laughing in Lancaster December 24th, 2008 at 11:04 am

    Hey Pete!

    Long time, first time.

    Just have to say that you should stick to reporting and not predicting.

    I believe it was you two years ago that made some reference that there was a better chance of aliens landing in Central Park than A-Rod going back to the Yankees.

    Then, this year, you called all the Yankees fans (and a lot of your fans) a whole slew of unsavory words when Yankees fans on here would write, beg and plead for the NYY FO to sign Tex…

    You can add SJ44 to the list of people that should be eating foot today and just keep their uneducated, unknowing mouths shut.

    Salt, or pepper, with that crow?

    Furthermore, lets look at the last month:

    Yankees sign CC = Pete asleep after up all night at the craps table in Vegas.

    Yankees sign AJ = Pete asleep again… Probably after a vodka and Red Bull induced evening.

    Yankees sign Tex = Pete at Marley and Me, or whatever movie you went to yesterday.

    Seriously, I thought it was your job to break the news?

    NYYWS27in09!!!!

  200. obnoxious December 24th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    give me a break.

    so Pete made a prediction that was wrong. big deal.

    what’s with the gloating? the yankees shocked EVERYONE yesterday.

    there are times where pete deserves some constructive criticism, i don’t really think this is one of them.

  201. 86w183 December 24th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    The payroll tax is kept by MLB for marketing and other things it doesn’t go to other teams. Revenue sharing does and has been a key to well managed low revenue teams being able to compete. Some teams get more than $ 10 million a year from that fund to which the Yankees are the largest contributor by far.

    The Carl Pohlad exampe is a perfect one. He refuses to lose money on the baseball team although he could easily afford to drop millions in an effort to win. He got a ton of public money for his stadium, despite his phenomenal wealth but you never hear about that… only the Yankees.

    Most baseball revenue is generated locally which is why there is such a disparity in payrolls. Keep in mind when the Yanks were purchased in 1973 they were a very low revenue team with poor attendance and worse broadcasting contracts. I seem to recall New York was a big city back then.

    Baseball needs to move teams into more lucrative potential markets. One team should leave Florida, for example to see if being a one-team state might help the other enjoy a revenue boom. Failing that, Tampa Bay should build a stadium on the right side (east) of the Bay.

    The salary cap talk with go away quickly. Until the national media contracts become the primary source of revenue there’s no chance of it passing and it’s never going to happen.

  202. 86w183 December 24th, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    I see no reason to rush into any trades. The collection of OF/DH contenders makes for some playing time competition and right/left matchup flexibility.

    For example Matsui has been trending badly against LHP and can’t be expected to start every game. Damon’s legs will benefit by DH-ing once a week. Swisher is a little better against LHP, but Melky is much better against RHP. I can see the allignment for those jobs changing daily depending on general factors of stadium and LH/RH pitcher, and specific things like history against a particular pitcher.

    Rowand isn’t enough of an upgrade to add four years and $ 48 million in long term commitments.

  203. Sean Serritella December 24th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    I say, say good bye to Duncan

  204. Josh December 24th, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    anyone think we could trade some players for vernon wells?

  205. MichiganYankee December 24th, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    The number one trade priority should now be for a high-impact shortstop prospect who will be able to start in 2011. For a good enough prospect, they should trade even Damon and Hughes.

    Shopping Damon or Matsui, especially if for prospects, has the advantage of clearing payroll, softening the blow of the big-3 signings and possibly making room for Pettitte.

    The best lineup with the current roster would have Swisher and Nady platooning in RF. Swisher would also see time in LF against tough lefties.

    The list of trade chips should include all of the mid-to-high ceiling guys on the farm: McAllister, Betances, Brackman, Cox, Claggett, Whelan, et. al. The only untouchable should be Melancon, as he projects as Mariano’s heir.

  206. Alejandro Azim December 24th, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Michigan-you are nuts. No way we are giving up Hughes for anyone. Wont happen

    But I think people have hinted at this. The truth is that Teixiera had no intentions on signing with Boston. He would have signed with Baltimore or Anaheim before ever signing with Boston. Boston tried to screw Teixiera over before he was even drafted. Tex has always resented Boston for that. Tex wanted to be a Yankee all along and Yankees wanted him all along. So whats done is done.
    How is this a sad day for baseball? No one said that when we were paying Jason Giambi 23 million last year. Tex will be getting 22 million a year so we are actually saving money if you can believe that. The only crazy contract that the Yankees gave out this year was Sabathia. Yankees outbid themselves for Sabathia and gave him too many years for a pitcher. Most pitchers never do well in such long term contracts so its more of risk than any other contract we gave out.
    All the ESPN writers are from Boston and Connecticut and New England area and are all loyal Red Sox fans. So for the next two weeks or so till Manny gets signed it will all be about the terrible Evil Empire waving their money wand to buy anything. And its not just because of our new stadium. The YES network makes the Yankees insane amount of money as well. in fact I have no idea why the Yankees are begging for more public tax money to finish the stadium. They should dig into their pockets as it is. Bloomberg already gave, GAVE, them the billion dollar federal tax assessment so that the stadium would get tax free bonds. But thats another story…

  207. Alejandro Azim December 24th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    We dont need Vernon Wells because we have Jackson on the up and up and possible going after Holliday in the free agency. I think the cheaper trade would be to get Rick Ankiel from St. Louis for Ian Kennedy. Cardinals are very interested because they wont re-sign kennedy and he will end up going to the L.A. or Atlanta. So we should get Ankiel and then resign and put him in LF after 2010 and let jackson take over center.

    If the Yankees were to trade with a division rival like the jays then it should be for Doc Holliday or Alexis Rios. Jays will never give up Doc but Rios is a great find a guy we could have had three years before he became an all star. Yankees only seem to go after guys once they have established themselves which is why our payroll is always crazy high. I say get em young and cheap. so lets get Ankiel now which seems like a perfect fit for this year and years to come. The guy has a great arm in the outfield and a better bat than anyone we have.

    If we trade anyone it should be Matsui and his Japanese media money doesnt matter at this point since Yankees have no interest in resigning him anyway. Trade Matsui for Jonathan Sanchez

  208. Virginia Yankee December 24th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    props to cashman – I have been hard on him on the blogs — and he is still behind in the Grade Point Average for missing Beltran and Santana — This year’d deals demonstrate that those could heave been done — terefor no excuses.

    Tex to me was as big or bigger than Sabbathia — one without the other would prove to be futile. Can’t patch just one leak in a boat.

    Those who think the Yankees are “stacked” or that the job is done may be disappointed — this team is fragile in day-to-day baseball ability (who do you put on the field and at what posiiton, as well as sense of self

    Who do you put on the field?
    Much is tied up in the fragile Jeter (wrist/hand) Damon – legs, CF (unproven youth), Matsui, Nady uncertainty and Posada – can he play or not.

    Pete notes that 1B is no longer an end of caree or transiitonal refuge for Jeter, Damon, matsui, Posada or a ROTATIONAL line-up spot.

    The Jeter option is stay away from injuries

    The Posada, matsui, Damon options are play the field or DH to get the bat in the line-up

    CF and RF are – Garder, Cabrerra – a great CF RF combo if they can hit for some power and get on base —

    Nady, Swisher — older – not much upside — not equal to Gardner, Cabrerra defensively –but maybe 50Hrs – 160 RBIs

    So here is what fragile means

    Jeter – Defense is woeful – he may make Tex look bad rather than Tex saving him. Offense is uncertain due to wrist/hand — and the next HPB. Jeter has no future at SS or 3B or 1B.

    He maybe be the best CF the Yankees have -speed, arm ability to run the right routes
    - they’d be better off with him there the next 3-4 years and get a new guy in at SS — than trying to make something out of Gradner or Cabrerra

    Cashman and Giardi should talk to him now – summon the ghosts of the great Yankees SS who played the Outfield – Mickey Mantle and Bobby Murcer.

    Posada – if he can’t catch the Yankees have an -0h for the season hole at C — the Cash from Boston is a worse hitter than Molina and nowhere close defensively
    If Posada can’t play C but can hit – then the DH becomes clogged with a Posada, matsui, Damon rotation.

    The Yankees now need to decide if they keep Swisher or Nady, Cabrerra or Gardner

    – CURIOUSLY solving the JETER/POSADA HEART OF the YANKEES is the ISSUE – Cashman blew three seasons and possibly 2 world championships mishandling CF — JETER/POSADA dwarf the WILLIAMS problem — even more difficult if Mr. Yankee – Jeter hits a little.

    Mariano — can he be “Mighty Mo” another year – or is he one pitch – one comebacker from being marginal — if the worst happens the Yankees will panic and turn to Joba — then what? What if Joba isn’t 3/4 Mo – what if Joba is not as durable?

    This is part of what I mean by sense of self and fragile — Mo, Jorge, Jeets are the aging heart
    - no one else has risen to claim the team – likley no one can with their presence – earned leadership is the most difficult thing – the time and circumstances have to be there, but it can’t be totoallly left to chance
    - they need to guide the changeover – but they can’t make the trades that ease their transiiton from the star to role player.
    – the best hope for leaderhip in Pitchers – but with the import of Sabbathia, Huges and Joba won’t step to the front as bbirn and bred Yankees – maybe Sabbathia is a Reggie (without the downside) or Catfish; a lot to ask

    If there is a knock on Tex it is he is not that kind of “player/leader” — fortunately he is not not hated (ARod), and is not replacing an Icon (Mattingly) —

    Making the move away from Jeter and Posada takes a Front office and a manager.

    This is what will define Cashman as a GM and Giradi as a manager

  209. jake December 24th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    Yes, the Yankees are going to have to make a trade. I figure that Nady is the most tradeable commodity of the group, and the one most likely to go. He’s a good player, and either he, or Swisher, would provide a solid RF bat. But he’s cheaper than Swisher, and Swisher is signed for the next three years. And the Yanks must like Swisher’s versatility and switch-hitting.
    Matsui is probably tradeable, but the yanks would probably have to eat some of his salary in any deal.
    Damon is probably tradeable, too, but, as with matsui, they’d probably have to eat some money there, as well.
    I doubt that Nady, salaried at something like $5mil, would require any further expenditure in a trade.
    Pettitte will return at $10mil. He’s just been waiting for another pitcher to sign for less money so he can save a little face.
    Nady, especially if he were packaged with one of those “expendable” guys that Peter listed, like Kennedy, would bring back good value, like a good major league utlility infielder, a couple of very good position-player prospects, a good young catcher, etc.
    The money’s unreal, of course, but Cashman deserves a great deal of credit. Not just for outmaneuvering all the other GMs, but also for standing pat on Santana last year, holding on to his top prospects, and putting together a team which is young enough in just about all respects to compete for a long time. The yankees are not going to have to sign any more free agents for years.

  210. jake December 24th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    Virginia Yankee:

    HUH?
    Cash blew something? HUH?
    He wanted to sign Beltran.
    A Gardner/Cabrera combo in CF/RF? HUH?
    Jeter IS the best CF the Yanks have? HUH?
    Etc.
    Hitting that Christmas egg nog a little too early?

  211. Rodderreo December 24th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    Bottom line:

    The Yankees overpaid again. Teixeira has never been an MVP candidate. Never played like the best player in the league and yet Ca$hman pays him like he is an MVP. Stupid.

    All the money will set up huge expectations for Teixeira just like AROD. Is .290 35 120 worth $180 million ? Only to Ca$hman. A monkey with a cellphone and a checkbook could negotiate better than Ca$hman. Boras played him again – just like with AROD and Damon.

  212. Greg December 24th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Swisher would probably start over Nady. He’s the better hitter and the better defender. Also, Jeter should never have played 1st anyways. He’s a great hitter for a SS, but for a 1B, not so much. He’s much better suited to eventually move to the outfield. Posada shouldn’t be a 1B either. He should just DH when he can no longer catch. No reason to ever experiment at 1st with a guy who isn’t an infielder. This works out fine.

  213. bobby December 24th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Looks like a playoff winning roster. The chemistry of young pitchers with some up and coming pitchers looks like a devastating effect on the American League. The grinders of Nady, Matsui, Jeter, Tex, Jorgie, Damon all will wear down opposition starters.

    Best of Luck to the 2009 Bronx Bombers !!!!!!!!

  214. bobby December 24th, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Looks like a playoff winning roster. The chemistry of young pitchers with some up and coming pitchers looks like a devastating effect on the American League. The grinders of Nady, Matsui, Jeter, Tex, Jorgie, Damon all will wear down opposition starters.

    Best of Luck to the 2009 Bronx Bombers !!!!!!!!

  215. sierchio December 24th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    no offense but anybody who plays Nady over Swisher is a moron. Swish should be in RF , NOT Nady. Nady should be on the bench. Swish is the better player, Nady just had a LUCKY year last year (look at BABIP) and Swisher was very unlucky (once again, look at BABIP) and look at career OPS+

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