Red Sox pick up a Penny
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 28, 2008 
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The Boston Globe’s Extra Bases blog reports the Red Sox are close to deals with RHP Brad Penny and catcher Josh Bard.
Penny would get $5 million for one year with incentives. Bard, who Boston once traded to the Padres, would be the backup catcher presumably.
once I saw that the Ravens were going to win I wanted the Jets to lose… At least they did something right this year… not to mention a 3rd place ACF east finish = easier schedule next year! GO JETS!!!
AFC
Backup to what?
wasn’t bard the one who couldn’t catch wakefield?
Penny is a very nice pickup for the Red Sox. Pettitte’s a safer bet though.
LOL
Let’s see how Penny does in a real baseball league. I have a feeling this is going to turn out a lot like Bartolo Colon, the “genius Red Sox pickup” of last year.
Smart move by the Sox if the Penny thing is true…..Much better than the Bartolo Colon signing last year…..I’ve a Jet fan since the early days of Joe Willie ( 1965 AFL RYO )…The loss to the Broncos was the dagger to this season….Then again losing to the 49′ers & Seattle down the stretch was all she wrote…..Pete right about the Patriots, they’re still the best organization in the NFL….Sad to report that but it’s true….
I dont see this as a great move for the Sox.
Beckett – Currently Injured, not dependable regular season pitcher
Lester – Overused in 08, Injury risk
DiceK – 6 innings
Wake – OLD, Injury risk
Penny – Currently Injured
They really need to throw money at Lowe.
Lester is an injury risk?
# Peter Abraham December 28th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Congratulations, Charles, you are the personification of all Jets fans.
Instead of wanting your team to play with determination and spirit and be professional, you’re happy they lost. Jets fans are like Mets fans, they’re happier when their teams suck.
I’m proud the Patriots went 11-5 without the best player in the game and a bunch of other starters. We didn’t quit when the going got tough, like the Jets did. Belichick kept coaching and kept the team improving. Mangini should have stayed in Foxboro and kept learning his trade.
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Pete, where in my prior post did I say I was Jets fan? I just love seeing another Boston team get knocked out of the playoffs so arrogant fans like yourself can’t celebrate.
I’m not a Jets fan, so you can keep babbling about their fans.
It’s one thing to be sour about them missing the playoffs, but to continually moan is annoying. They came up short – it all proves that when the cheaters don’t have their cameras, they don’t win.
Let me do my best impersonation of you:
PREDICTION…2009 PATRIOTS 4-12, TOM BRADY’S CAREER OVER WITH ANOTHER KNEE INJURY. BILL BELICHEAT FIRED, BOB KRAFT SELLS TEAM.
Not to be negative but if you`re looking at things like that….
Sabathia- Threw a ton of innings, overweight, injury risk
Wang- Injury Risk, been hurt in half of his seasons in the ML’s
Burnett- HUGE injury risk
Joba- Injury risk, missed big chunk of last year with elbow injury. 6 innings
Hughes- Injury Risk, missed big time a few different years. 6 innings
Pettitte- Old and injury risk. Delcining a lot
Charles:
Personification is a different word than impersonation. But good post.
Did you think of Belicheat all by yourself? That’s hilarious. Good job.
CC
AJ
Wang
Hughes
Joba
what if Aj gets hurt, or wang or CC?
CC
Wang
Hughes
rookie/ponson like pick-up
Joba
then we are in the same predicament as last season, people are throwing Andy away like he would be worth nothing to our rotation which is not true, im not saying hes worth $16 mil, but having him brings insurance and sets the rotation, also Hughes can start in AAA, giving him some more time
I invented the term Belicheat and can prove it.
cowboys!!!
hahahahahaahahahahahahahahaha!
Penny is worth the gamble, but I’d bet big on at least two DL stints in ’09 for him. I don’t believe he can stay healthy anymore, and I also think his stuff isn’t what it used to be.
Mike NYY,
OY! that post is going to give me nightmares
Pat M,
Patriots the best organization in football? Try looking at that other New York football team that doesn’t blow division leads..
Maybe the Jets and Mets ARE cursed
AndrewYF
December 28th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
“Let’s see how Penny does in a real baseball league. I have a feeling this is going to turn out a lot like Bartolo Colon, the “genius Red Sox pickup” of last year.”
Andrew, when the Sox signed Colon last year no one was claiming he would be winning the Cy Young award again.
The Sox paid him about a million dollars and he ended up with a 4-2 record and less than 4 ERA. Pretty good return on the dollar considering how both some other Sox and Yankee pitchers did last year.
Penny probably isn’t the pitcher he used to be, I think most people would acknowledge that. But it is a low risk, potential high return deal.
In many ways the Pats were like the Yankees. Both teams were hit hard by the injury bug and both teams won more games then teams that made the playoffs.
What’s with all this taunting of Pete Abe about the Patriots? The Pats should be very proud of the season they had (except losing to the Jets; how the heck did *that* happen?). It was perfect in its own way.
And I can report that my Pats-fan cousin enjoyed the Patriots 2007 AFC Championship t-shirt I got him a lot. Great Christmas gift. And only 99 cents on ebay.!
Brian,,,For the record I’m a stone NY fan..Went to Giant games as a kid when they played at the Stadium…Jets at Shea to watch Namath, so my comments are realistic and factual…..The Patriots ar ethe best run NFL organization since the Walsh 49′ers of the 80′s and early 90′s…..They are the team of this decade and will be so for the unforseen future….Giants have been good for what 3 years maybe ???/
Penny has a 4.46 on the road for his career.
His inter-league era is 5.08 in 23 starts.
“Lester is an injury risk?”
Out of necessity they pitched him like 70 innings over what he has ever pitched before. Hes only 24. Sometimes guys are durable like CC. Sometimes they arent and they have a lousy year after being overused like that. Their best bet at one 200 innings pitcher in 09 is an overused young arm. Thats not very good. This division could have a 90 win team in 3rd place easily. You need a couple pitchers who will be there from April to September.
Mike,
While Beckett is good in the post season his regular seasons year to year are about as dependable as Burnett. CC is a proven work horse who with our pen and not having to carry an entire team into the post season wont ever see as much work as hes had in the last few seasons. Andy is dependable. Everyone has risk but the “Old” comment was addressed at the 40+ pitcher in their rotation who they dont even have a catcher for anymore. Hes awful. Joba and Hughes dont have the walk issues DiceK has so I dont know why you compared them to my reference to him. DiceK can be a series killer to the bullpen during the regular season. And Hughes is part of our depth. If we are comparing depth theirs has equally terrible injury track records. Wang had a non mechanical injury last year. Thats not a risk. If we add Andy we have 3 pitchers with average luck who pitch 200 innings for us. They really need to add someone who is a little more reliable if they want to make it into the playoffs or they will be piecing together starts like we did in 08.
Will L.Tomlinson sit on the bench next week with his helmet on or off?
Ray– I’d say if Cashman hadn’t picked up the guys he already has he would have been in on Penny too. IMO the low-medium risk / high reward guys are just the type of guys teams with the Sox and Yankees money can afford to take fliers on. If Penny pans out he could be a genius pickup, if not? Just a drop in the bucket and you all move on. I do think Lowe is a guy you all should be looking to move on though. How long can Wakefield pitch for anyway?
I love that the Red Sox couldn’t pony up $12 million more for Teixeira, but now $5 is a “drop in the bucket”.
Penny-wise, Teixeira-foolish.
In a way, the Penny signing is better than the Burnett signing. Both are injury risks. Either of the them might turn out to be worthless. But, Burnett costs over 16 times as much as Penny. If Penny fails, Boston will have plenty of money left over to acquire another pitcher, in a salary dump, say.
“I do think Lowe is a guy you all should be looking to move on though. How long can Wakefield pitch for anyway?”
Hi Rob. I keep hearing that the Mets are willing to throw some big money at Lowe. The reports are that the Sox are not willing to pay him as much as he is wanting.
I like Wakefield as a player but I am hoping this will be his last year. As you know the knuckleball is just so unpredictable even to Wakefield.
If he is on he can be nearly unhittable, but if he is not on then we have a home run derby simulation!! This last year it seemed that he was off more than on.
Pete, please tell me that we can’t sign Manny. Of course that would be after trading Nady and Matsui.
If you do then maybe we have a shot at him too.
AndrewYF
December 28th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
“I love that the Red Sox couldn’t pony up $12 million more for Teixeira, but now $5 is a “drop in the bucket”.”
Andrew, it hurts me to admit this but I just think that Tex really wanted to be a Yankee. Once the Yankees made their offer I am not even sure that Boras checked back with the Sox.
Tex’s choice to sign with the Yankees over the Sox in my opinion was not primarily a financial one.
“In a way, the Penny signing is better than the Burnett signing. Both are injury risks. Either of the them might turn out to be worthless. But, Burnett costs over 16 times as much as Penny. If Penny fails, Boston will have plenty of money left over to acquire another pitcher, in a salary dump, say.”
Penny is not a risk. Penny is injured. Right at this very moment. He pitched a 151 ERA+ for the Dodgers in 07. In 08 he went on the DL with a shoulder injury. Came back as a reliever and couldnt pitch and went back on the DL. Then the Dodgers declined to pick up his 8.75 mil option for the year. A pitcher who when healthy for them was a Cy candidate. The Dodgers think his career is over.
GO Dolphins! GO Pennington!
SoCalYankeeFan 8)
Penny isin’t AL tested and his stuff isin’t even remotely close to Burnett’s.
He has one fluke year with the Dodgers in 06 but the rest of his career has been mediocrity in the NL and injuries.
There’s a reason that no team was willing to give Penny a deal and Burnett had teams bidding 4-5 years on him.
Go Chad!!!!!
Penny is fried… his fastball isin’t what it was and thats all he continues to throw. He is going to get pounded in the AL.
Might as well bring back Colon.
And if we bring back Andy, we successfully neutralize that move
Pettitte > Penny
Why don’t we sign Freddy Garcia and give him a chance to compete for a spot?
Pete you made it big time with your own personal hate club. Aside from those creepy messages I see there are varied opinions of Penny. He’s a good insurance policy since the Sox have money and only a need at the back of the rotation. Still, he is going to get mauled in the AL East. Can’t wait to see Tex – Arod go back to back over the monster off him. I expect this to happen….3 times…by the end of May.
“Pettitte > Penny”
I think Pettitte will have his decision by NYE.
pete another superbowl loser doesn’t make p.s. i give the pats credit they played with character. bill b did a great job this year, nobody can take that away from him. you got to admit he deserves the criticism. as for the jets that were rooting for miami, well they wanted company if they are down going ” aka big choke” mind as well take somebody down. is funny how this bill and eric is playing out, no there more h@tred in this relationship, though eric is likely out of a job. GO GIANTS
While Beckett is good in the post season his regular seasons year to year are about as dependable as Burnett. CC is a proven work horse who with our pen and not having to carry an entire team into the post season wont ever see as much work as hes had in the last few seasons. Andy is dependable. Everyone has risk but the “Old” comment was addressed at the 40+ pitcher in their rotation who they dont even have a catcher for anymore. Hes awful. Joba and Hughes dont have the walk issues DiceK has so I dont know why you compared them to my reference to him. DiceK can be a series killer to the bullpen during the regular season. And Hughes is part of our depth. If we are comparing depth theirs has equally terrible injury track records. Wang had a non mechanical injury last year. Thats not a risk. If we add Andy we have 3 pitchers with average luck who pitch 200 innings for us. They really need to add someone who is a little more reliable if they want to make it into the playoffs or they will be piecing together starts like we did in 08.
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Joba and Hughes have their innings limits and will probably be limited to little more than 5-6 innings every time out. So, they have the same problem as Daisuke.
My post wasn’t really serious. I was just saying that every rotation has its risks and to simply dismiss Boston’s rotation like that isn’t smart. Their isn’t a single pitcher in baseball where you can’t cherrypick one flaw. I hate Boston just as much as the next guy, but realistically I`d love to get a guy like Daisuke, Lester, or Beckett. Wake isn’t bad as a back of the rotation guy and Penny has a lot of potential.
well pats play hard and with character, the jets choke in a huge way. the jets fiqure they were finished, mine as well take the pats with them. bill b was great this year, can’t take froom him, even though i don’t like. put bill and eric in a ufc cage and let them fight. i doubt they see each other again, since eric should be fired, but the jets did end the pats season.
andy should just use this opportunity to come back and prove hes not just a .500 guy now, then he can ask for more money and more years from teams
come back andy!!
Rough day for me NFL wise but at least the Pats are out hey I need a silver lining here.
“well pats play hard and with character, the jets choke in a huge way. the jets fiqure they were finished, mine as well take the pats with them. bill b was great this year, can’t take froom him, even though i don’t like. put bill and eric in a ufc cage and let them fight. i doubt they see each other again, since eric should be fired, but the jets did end the pats season.”
i tried running this through Google’s French translator, but came out even more confused than after reading the original post.
I tried to write something about the Patriots but it somehow got snagged in the filter. Hmmmm.
“In many ways the Pats were like the Yankees. Both teams were hit hard by the injury bug and both teams won more games then teams that made the playoffs”
Tom: IMO a bad comparison. The Patriots were fighters this year. The Yankees mailed it it, following the all-star break. If you don’t believe, then ask Pete (and Robinson Cano)
prolly the only person on this board, who wouldn’t view the final ceremony (and thankful i didn’t)
Nick— Strange. I wonder why that would happen.
“Joba and Hughes have their innings limits and will probably be limited to little more than 5-6 innings every time out. So, they have the same problem as Daisuke.
My post wasn’t really serious. I was just saying that every rotation has its risks and to simply dismiss Boston’s rotation like that isn’t smart. Their isn’t a single pitcher in baseball where you can’t cherrypick one flaw. I hate Boston just as much as the next guy, but realistically I`d love to get a guy like Daisuke, Lester, or Beckett. Wake isn’t bad as a back of the rotation guy and Penny has a lot of potential.”
No, Joba and Hughes are better pitchers then DiceK. If they are pitching good they can pitch a full 8-9 innings without killing themselves. DiceK just walks everyone till he finds someone he can strike out.
You might have cherry picked unlikely flaws in our rotation. But I believe their rotation has many genuine issues. Defending Wakefield? Now thats stupid. He is awful, sorry. And while Lester is a great pitcher he is young and his arm durability is unproven. He was legitimately overused. I consider that a risk for him having a down year. They will be lucky if they keep him healthy for the post season in my opinion. And Beckett is unreliable in the regular season. He has proven that just like Burnett. (and hes still injured as far as we know) Penny is a dice roll if he pitches at all its a victory. DiceK is lovely and all but when you have alot of pitchers who legitimately stink/will have low inning counts hes a problem for their regular season. If they dont add a pitcher they can depend on next year to give them a full season of winnable games where he pitches 7 innings+ all year long they are in trouble.
Sux trying to scare us with Penny! OOoh I’m so scared hes way better than CC, A.J. and Tex
“In many ways the Pats were like the Yankees. Both teams were hit hard by the injury bug and both teams won more games then teams that made the playoffs”
Tom: IMO a bad comparison. The Patriots were fighters this year. The Yankees mailed it it, following the all-star break. If you don’t believe, then ask Pete (and Robinson Cano)
prolly the only person on this board, who wouldn’t view the final ceremony (and thankful i didn’t).
don’t blame me because your jets choke in a big way
Penny won’t be worth his name after he gets lit up in the AL East. Tex/Arod will be going back to back over the monster every time he pitches.
Did anyone know Torre had a blog?
http://joetorre.mlblogs.com/
“In many ways the Pats were like the Yankees. Both teams were hit hard by the injury bug and both teams won more games then teams that made the playoffs”
Tom: IMO a bad comparison. The Pats were fighters this year. The Yankees mailed it it, following the all-star break. If you don’t believe, then ask Pete (and Robinson Cano)
prolly the only person on this board, who wouldn’t view the final ceremony (and thankful i didn’t)
“In many ways the Pats were like the Yankees. Both teams were hit hard by the injury bug and both teams won more games then teams that made the playoffs”
Tom: IMO a bad comparison. The Patriots were fighters this year. The Yankees mailed it it, following the all-star break. If you don’t believe, then ask Peter (and Robinson Cano)
prolly the only person on this board, who wouldn’t view the final ceremony (and thankful i didn’t)
“In many ways the Pats were like the Yankees. Both teams were hit hard by the injury bug and both teams won more games then teams that made the playoffs”
Tom: IMO a bad comparison. The Patriots were fighters this year. The Yankees mailed it it, following the all-star break. If you don’t believe, then ask Pete (and Robinson Cano)
probably the only person on this board, who wouldn’t view the final ceremony (and thankful i didn’t)
I figured it out, the first name and then the abbreviated form of the last name of this blog’s author is what got caught in the filter.
Imagine a battle of our back-end guys Joba v.s. Penny. lol
Nick in SF in Charlotte…..I fThe Cal-Berkley Bears had a QB this season they’d be playing in Major Bowl…..I got them on the opening line of 7….I’m all over the Chargers, who by the way will be a factor come playoff time……
Seeing Favre sprint off the field today reminded me of Coach B leaving early in the last seconds of the Superbowl without shaking hands.
I think they both just needed to use the bathroom real bad. Yeah, that must be it.
Al,
Only 50 days or so until pitchers and catchers
PAT M: well done on the Cal Bears -7. I slept on that. I only cashed in on them with some teasers. I do have a little Chargers though.
And you’re right about the Bears. 9 wins without good QB play is pretty good.
Todd Jones? LOL
http://www.sportingnews.com/ex.....77149.html
I don’t even know where to start, so I’ll just let you all comment. My mouth is agape, to be honest, that anyone could be this clueless…and bitter.
“Al,
Only 50 days or so until pitchers and catchers”
Needless to say Clint I’m amped but its still a long time.
Betsy- Typical Yankeehating there. First of all how does Todd Jones get off making statements like that. He was a marginal closer for 15 years congrats Todd, now take a walk. Hes entitled to his opinion but I just heard “wah, wah, wah!” I’m sure he realized that his team the Detroit Tigers tried to “buy a championship” this past season and failed miserably so he should just shut his mouth.
Betsy-
Email Todd Jones & rip him a new one. What a joker.
Al, I don’t get upset at this stuff anymore – I do find it funny, to be honest. I like that people are getting upset, probably giving themselves ulcers about the Yankees, over something they can’t do anything about.
This is also one of the most condescending pieces of **** I’ve ever had the displeasure to read. I only found out about this from the YES boards; I haven’t visited the TSN website in years.
This blog entry takes the cake. I wonder if Todd ever went up to AJ and told him how he feels about him. I wonder if he did the same to Tex. My guess is not. Like most cowards and Mike Francesca, he’ll chat you up and be friendly to your face, then turn around and stab you in the back.
I like when this board is busy, lol – glad to see it pick up a bit today. I don’t think I can wait a week until Tex’ press conference.
i think there is some Todd Jones memorabilia available on ebay with the .99cent “buy it now” option available.
if anyone cares…
I pitched a **perfect game** against the Orioles with AJ Burnett in my ps3.
I was really nervous, kept on telling myself now to mess up. 
not**
Nice Ed lol
Ed- I care, good job I can’t play video games for my life only racing games etc.
Betsy- I know the Tex press conference is gonna be great.
Why people work themselves up over the words of other is beyond me. Jones is just speaking for all non-Yankee fans. If the shoe was on the other foot, we’d feel the same way.
John,
lol, I managed to get only 4 Ks. most of the batted balls were ground outs.
The Yankees office is closed until the 5th, so its going to be a while.
Though Tex is not a very colorful person by all accounts, so I don’t think much will come out of it. Usual generic answers about how this was his dream all along.
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that would be a awesome new road jeresy.
Ed are you sure that wasn’t Wang who threw the perfect game? lol
Sevrx,
Agree 100%
Zolio,
I’m sure it was Burnett. hahahas, even though he did pull a Wang. LOL.
Does anyone know when the 12-15-20 game plans are going on sale? I just spent the last hour scouring the yankees.com site and tried to sign up for the insider feature (which didn’t work) and have found nothing.
Patriots out of playoffs GOOD!
Its funny that Pete wanted Jets to win badly so that the Pats can sneak in and now he talks about choking.. Playoffs?? What playoffs?? The league is catching up with the Pats.. and even if Brady comes back healthy next year nothing is guaranteed.. As for the Jets, they need a new coach, QB and start over.. the Favre experiment was a forgettable one..
our ace joba will throw a no hitter
he is our one and only crown jewel of the farm and he will make the daily news eat their words
No Patriots or Cowboys in the playoffs. I never knew such luck existed….
My email to Todd Jones.
319 career saves, just goes to show you what a joke that static is.
I couldn’t even begin to address his stupid article. I just thought I’d go for the gut.
Sign Freddy Garcia and let him try out in ST for a spot
Like it or not, there is some truth to what Todd Jones wrote…Maybe the verbage was cynical but he is right about the reality of the beast that is the NY Yankees….Win it all or you lose….
Ahhhh!
Pete brawling with jets fans…
I love football season.
April can’t get here fast enough!
I can’t believe people are giving so much credibility to something written by a fringe journeyman reliever. His blog is getting hits and people are responding to him, that was his whole objective.
Let him rot in obscurity.
Actually, I wouldn’t feel the same way. This is a free country – Todd Jones is allowed to look as stupid as he wants to.
I know Tex won’t say anything too colorful, but I’m dying for news…..lately, it’s been slow all around the boards due to the holidays. I actually prefer players like Tex, Jeter, etc…..I like stability instead of chaos in the clubhouse. I would be uncomfortable with having players on the team who are always a threat to shoot their mouths off, giving the press a field day, but causing problems for his teammates and manager. Jeter is beloved, but of course, he’s a homegrown Yankee. I know that, in general, people like athletes who are open about their feelings and emotions (witness Giambi and Damon’s popularity)……David Wells was like a cult figure among the common man, but I didn’t particularly like him at all. He drank too much, lived the high life and pointed fingers at teammates behind him who made errors. Maybe I’m a bit of a pollyanna, but I really like knowing that the Yankees I root for are good guys. I like reading articles like the recent NY Times piece on Tex. I’m introverted for the most part (not around my friends, though), so maybe I identify with those whose lives are not an open book for the media.
That said, I LOVE AJ already – it appears he may be a piece of work himself, lol
Ed – American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!!
December 28th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
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that would be a awesome new road jeresy.
——
I have been saying that for a while. How cool would that be if we wore those once a week or so on the road?
I’m all for tradition but our roadies need a little spice.
Todd Jones article.
Nowhere to actually respond/comment ?
Only to his personal email ?
Will probably screen everyting and print only those that support his ramblings (ala Rush)
Blowhard.
Pat – Yep. As painful as it sounds, it’s not like he is jsut ranting, he is speaking the truth. The unrealistic expectations set by George and the impulsive reactions and spoiled fans.
Pat M, I actually wonder why anyone would want to play in NY. I’ve never seen (I guess Ed Whitson, but I only vaguely remember that – it was so long ago) any player brutalized by the fans like A-Rod has been. Fans, I suppose, won’t forgive him for his comments about Jeter some years ago; I honestly think that’s what it comes down to. Yankee fans never wanted A-Rod and were predisposed to dislike him, regardless of his post-season performance. Players have to see what A-Rod goes through (booed on Opening Day? Booed even in Spring Training!) ……..they have to see Mo getting booed once or twice last year and they have to wonder…..is this worth it?
I have to admit – I missed that part of Jones’ comments as his other comments were so………..ridiculous.
Jones’ comments were not unreasonable at all. He didn’t articulate himself in a mature manner, but the premise of his article was spot on.
“I’m all for tradition but our roadies need a little spice.”
Yep, just like the White Sox’s jersey.
Betsy :
Nick Swisher….here’s a decent guy to root for !!!
Hope he stays, plays, & plays well !!!
http://nickswisher.net/about.html
Hi Upstate
Thanks! Nick seems like a good guy and most people think he was a really good pickup; I hope he’s not traded anytime soon. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
Thats why I wanted Manny over Teix… we didn’t need more corporate robots. We needed some life in the clubhouse, some goofy characters to make baseball fun again. Someone who doesn’t let pressure phase him because he has an easy going personality.
The clubhouse is a 9-5 job for these guys, not a game. Signing Teix does nothing to change that IMO. Swisher is our only hope to change that.
Sorry about some of the posts being slow to be published. The people at my office are working on some security issues. Everything should be OK within a few days. Thanks.
Teixeria is going to be like Mussina in the clubhouse/media. Kind of keeps to himself etc.
Oh darn, I spelled statistic wrong.
I’ll let everyone know if he replies and catches it.
haha on channel 2 news, the sports girl said the Pats won 11 games, and will miss the playoffs. Some of the other news broadcasters busted out laughing.
Betsy – Players come here for money, nothing else. I think this off-season demonstrated that.
Mangini will be replaced by Josh McDaniels!!!!
jennifer – thats awesome
Tom:
…and players go to Boston and the Mets and KC…etc…why ???
Give me a guy like Damon over someone like Mussina (personality wise) on my team anyday.
Personality = good.
Tom, I disagree………..$$ plays a big part in why players go anywhere, it’s not just limited to NY. I’m not a cynical person, so I am not willing to go as far as you are.
South Coast, the Yankees are a professional organization, not a fraternity. What Manny did to the Red Sox was a disgrace, but as usual, it’s considered “Manny just being Manny”. Actually, I think teams have come to the realization ……finally……..that Manny is not a harmless free spirit. There’s a reason why the market has basically dried up for him.
Pete, I hope those people are working to correct the insanity that was rampant here yesterday……Players to come here to play because it is the NY Yankees, but the dough is the bottom line…Oh, and there’s the opportunity to play in October every year……
I kind of find it weird how much Red Sox news Lohud pumps out. I never noticed it up until recently… I loaded up the website knowing the news would be posted. I kinda don’t need to know every little thing about that team…
So Mussina doesn’t have a personality just because he keeps to himself most of the time? Tex is already boring because he’s professional and doesn’t reveal much of himself? We are all entitled to our own opinions, but I think it’s unfair to label people that are quiet has not having personalities…..I want players that can play and get the job done. I don’t care if they are more like Damon or more like Jeter (though I prefer the ones like Jeter) as long as they aren’t like Manny or Albert Belle.
Ark:
That’s a funny comment. Moose actually had one of the best personalities in the clubhouse and was one of the few players who was friendly with the coaches, the clubhouse guys, staff members, etc.
What fans saw on TV was not the real Moose. He had little time for sound bites.
Meanwhile, why in the world would anybody care what Todd Jones thinks? He’s a retired journeyman.
It is all about the money, always. Anyone who thinks differently is fooling themselves. Does it matter though?
The Jets blew their chance this year… with Brady out, it was 1 shot to win. When they were 8-3 they had to seal the deal. The AFC was wide open.
Next year with Brady back, the AFC (and NFL in general) belongs to them.
“Meanwhile, why in the world would anybody care what Todd Jones thinks? He’s a retired journeyman.”
LOL so true…
I don’t recall a team with 11 wins missing the playoffs, when has that happened before?
I think Girardi is the reason these guys are not showing more personality. He has taken all the fun out of playing with his drill sargent/dictator persona. Taking candy from the clubhouse, bootcamp ST, etc.
The clubhouse was much looser under Torre. Girardi needs to back off this year and concentrate more on handling the media, communicating with his players, etc. rather than if the players eat candy
Peter Rabbit:
What are you talking about? The Globe reported on Penny and Bard, I threw up a link. That’s all. It turns out the Yankees play the Red Sox 19 times a year and the two teams have a great rivalry. People are interested when Boston signs a starting pitcher.
Tell you what, since you are so offended, I’ll refund what you paid for the blog today. Expect a check later this week.
Penny’s Interleague numbers: 7-11 with a 5.08 ERA in 24 appearances
Pete I agree. I’ve met Mike in a more relaxed situation. He can actually be pretty funny.
I think the Broncos in the 80s did it too
Distd
I guess you were in the clubhouse, to see it was a looser situation under Torre.
The Sox signing Penny makes it even more imperative we re-sign Andy.
40 time- How so?
Bob Klapisch sees a whole lot more significance to the Tex signing than I do. Is it really smart to set Tex up as the new face of the Yankees and the man who is going to help show Jeter the door prior to his ever taking his first grounder or first swing in Pinstripes? A little premature in my opinion.
http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_11327120
DUH….Yankee Fans…Boston Red Sox news….???
There just may be a bit of interest there, Sherlock !
The Colorado Rockies….a bit of a stretch…but the Red Snotz….always good dialog !!!
Links & notes ALWAYS welcomed, Thank you, Pete !!!
Theo has an excellent eye for talent and has a great pitching coach. Don’t be shocked if Penny replicates his 2007 numbers.
Zorn
You are very early for April Fools. Penny will likely get killed in that band box called Fenway.
Jennifer:
The clubhouse was much looser under Torre, because of his style and the presence of Bowa and Mattingly. In some ways that was good but in some ways it was bad, too. I think sometimes the Yankees didn’t have enough sense of urgency. So they would fall behind, expend a lot of energy to come back and then they were worn out in October.
It’s a delicate balance. Girardi treated them like a h.s. team at times and that was a polar opposite of Torre. The frequent team meetings became a little much, too. You can’t just tell players to win. You need to tell them how. Some guys need a kick in the ass, others a pat on the back. The manager has to figure that out. Everybody is not the same.
I think Girardi is a smart guy and will find a better way to connect to the team. What choice does he have?
He has to adjust or he’ll be fired. Hopefully he will learn, and find the happy medium.
“# 40 time December 29th, 2008 at 12:18 am
The Sox signing Penny makes it even more imperative we re-sign Andy.
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But Andy can actually play for his money. I think if the Yankees want to retaliate for the Penny signing they should give me 5 million dollars + incentives to play utility bench for them next year.
“The Sox signing Penny makes it even more imperative we re-sign Andy.”
Oh please we would have picked up Penny you’d be ripping Cashman, the Red Sox pick up Penny uhoh Bartolo Colon part 2, he didn’t even finish in MLB last yr. Colon or Penny…signing Pettitte isn’t imperative he has a deal on the table it won’t and shouldn’t get uped more than that, if so he can go west.
“Zorn
You are very early for April Fools. Penny will likely get killed in that band box called Fenway.”
What Jen said.
The longer Pettitte doesn’t sign, the more I think he won’t return to the Yankees. And the less likely that there was ever a 3/36 on the table. My take is the Yankees are pretty ticked about the Boston leak, and than the 3/36. They felt they were blindsided last year by the Mitchel report, and they stood by Andy. He should do this for them.
Lions are going to be a force next year. Cassell throwing to Calvin Johnson with Scott Piolti and Josh McDaniels there
I think they can make the playoffs in a mediocre NFC North
Zorn
December 29th, 2008 at 12:20 am
Theo has an excellent eye for talent and has a great pitching coach. Don’t be shocked if Penny replicates his 2007 numbers.
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After reading quite a bit of the Boston Globe blogs…I see, my good Mr. Zorn, that you too have taken to drinking the Theo Kool-Aid in mass quantities !!!
Theo can also change the weather; just like Ditka can !!!
No excuses for Joe this year. He has a powerhouse team. Playoffs are a requirement, meaning if we don’t make them he is gone 100% no question. And maybe even a 1st round exit will compel Cashman to give him the axe
Of course, if Wang and Sabathia flame out in the postseason like they have in their short playoff careers, there is nothing Girardi can do. He still needs to make it there though.
12 MILLION WITH INCENTIVES ANDY…..Anyone here can fill in incentive suggestions,,,,,Both parties have to come out looking good….I’ll get done within the 10days,,,,
How about 10 million take it or leave it.
Does Penny have anything left in his arsenal other than a diminished fastball?
The Yankees will look foolish now if they go crawling back to Andy. I think at one point they will give him a take it or leave it deadline. Maybe give him the 10 with incentives that he can reach 16. But at this point no way do I budge from 10.
2009 Giants Schedule
Home: Atlanta, Carolina, Arizona, San Diego, Oakland
Away: New Orleans, Denver, Tampa Bay, Kansas City, Minnesota
plus DAL, WSH, PHI x 2
Give Andy 10 + 2mil in incentives that he can reach with average.
They overpaid last year and want to make it up this year. Andy could have signed a big contract with us but was too wishy washy. He could have had plenty of overpaid years if he could have committed to the team. He didnt so he gets reassessed yearly. He needs to accept that. It was his mistake.
“Does Penny have anything left in his arsenal other than a diminished fastball?”
Q you think people would react this way had we signed Penny ? What’s so special about this guy right now ? Oh Theo a genius w/ SP….really com’on aka constructor of the BP from hell last season, Bartolo in AAA…. Hey how about this they sign Penny we sign Sheets and watch the difference in reactions. (OMG how can Cash do this !)
I would have been impressed if the Sox signed Lowe for 3 years +1 option and Sheets for 4 years. Getting Sheets to a low average for like 3 years of pitching + 1 of surgery would be nice for teams with room. Instead they go totally cheapo and sign a dead arm who will likely waste all their money.
This must be Boston’s retaliation for us signing Sabathia
anyone know why the giants seem to play minnesota every year now?
“Give Andy 10 + 2mil in incentives that he can reach with average.
They overpaid last year and want to make it up this year. Andy could have signed a big contract with us but was too wishy washy. He could have had plenty of overpaid years if he could have committed to the team. He didnt so he gets reassessed yearly. He needs to accept that. It was his mistake.”
When it comes to Pettitte, Posada and Jeter Yankees fans get waaaaaaay too simpathetic and it screws around w/ thier judgement
1. Pettitte was overpaid last season
2. Pettitte is not a 12 million dollar per SP
3. Posada was overpaid
4. Jeter is not getting 20 + million in his next contract, diminishing skills at SS and the bat is getting older this won’t or shouldn’t happen either.
It’s going to be an interesting future
I think Andy is worth 12 and thats what hes holding out for.
Bradnon, do your self a save facing favor, amd do not count out Brad Penney,,,,He’ll make you look real bad….His issues are not tyhe first half of the season it’s waht occurs after the break in July…..H estill has above average stuff…..Goping that record will come back an d take a piece of your arse and your credibility
Penny would have been the typical Cashman move that has doomed this franchise for the past half decade— an injury prone pitcher who has spent his career in the NL with diminished stuff and has had one good year in his career.
7-11 with a 5.08 ERA in 24 appearances against American League opponents
Harwood not even Bill James rated this good, he predicts Penny to pitch 130 IP at a 3.92 ERA in the NL, how does this improve in the AL ?
http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....position=P
Going on the record will take a bit in your arse ,,,etc…Vicodins are slowing medown
I like Penny for $5 million.
I’d hoped the Yankees would offer an opportunity for something like that if Pettitte doesn’t sign.
I guess it’s better for the Yanks they signed Penny instead of Sheets, but I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss Penny just yet. If he’s healthy, he’s a dangerous pitcher.
Wouldn’t it be piquant (heck, tragic) irony if Penny has a better year than Burnett?
Trade for Jonathan Sanchez, he is better than Penny. Or sign Freddy Garcia to a ST Invite if his shoulder checks out ok.
They can deal for Sanchez and get ripped for it, they sign Sheets people will rip it even though Penny isn’t on Sheet’s level.
A one year contract for $5 million dollars won’t ruin any team’s payroll, unless you’re the Marlins, that is.
Low risk–High return gamble. Typical astute Theo move.
Let’s hope it looks better in analysis than in execution.
Penny struckout Jeter, Ichiro, and Ortiz in the same inning in the allstar game in 06.
The guy has filthy, ace stuff if he stays healthy. Another excellent find by Boston. He could be the next Beckett.
No risk, extremely high reward.
Penny has pitched in big games before, good stuff, tough guy who can handle Boston. Shocked that he didn’t get a multi-year deal from another club. This will be the biggest steal of the off-season IMO.
“Penny struckout Jeter, Ichiro, and Ortiz in the same inning in the allstar game in 06.
The guy has filthy, ace stuff if he stays healthy. Another excellent find by Boston. He could be the next Beckett.”
This time next year Penny’s name is removed from the history books in Boston along with all their other mistakes.
I don’t care what Pettitte gets paid. They need him back.
Some people are actually floating around rumors consisting of trading Nady to Cincy for Arroyo or Harang. Another rumor has them dealing Matsui to Seattle for Washburn.
How stupid.
They’d be much better off keeping either Matsui or Nady and resigning Pettitte (who is a far better option than any of those chumps).
This is where Theo always owns Cashman— in the aspects of baseball that don’t involve throwing hundreds of millions of dollars at free agents.
Theo goes out and gets a bargain and does his scouting and has a chance to get a #2 starter for peanuts. A power arm who could even come out of the pen and be their SU man if they choose to. Cashman is asleep at the wheel. He only signs guys with no upside like Ensberg, Traber, Hawkins etc.
Signings like Penny are why Theo is the best in the game. A true scouting mind who takes risk on high ceiling talent.
“Penny struckout Jeter, Ichiro, and Ortiz in the same inning in the allstar game in 06.
The guy has filthy, ace stuff if he stays healthy. Another excellent find by Boston. He could be the next Beckett.”
wow juding a pitcher that could handle the AL from that small sample?
Trade for Jonathan Sanchez, he is better than Penny. Or sign Freddy Garcia to a ST Invite if his shoulder checks out ok.
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Why would you take such gambles with your rotation when the most qualified guy on the market is right under their noses in Pettitte?
Sanchez may have good stuff but he’s another Oliver Perez who can’t find the strike zone in the weakest hitting division in MLB.
They don’t need another high risk/high reward guy in their rotation because they’ve already got one in Burnett.
The final slot should be the reliable guy who is a good bet to throw 200 IP.
“# Viper December 29th, 2008 at 12:56 am
I don’t care what Pettitte gets paid. They need him back.
Some people are actually floating around rumors consisting of trading Nady to Cincy for Arroyo or Harang. Another rumor has them dealing Matsui to Seattle for Washburn.
How stupid.
They’d be much better off keeping either Matsui or Nady and resigning Pettitte (who is a far better option than any of those chumps).
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Yeh I dont see any of that happening. I think Cashman digs Matsui for this last year. I dont think even if we got a salary dump offer he would take it. Swisher is not going anywhere. And unless hes getting something good for Nady we would probably rather keep the backup incase Damon or Matsui go down for any length of time. Also watching Nady’s production this year while in the AL East incase we want him back after he goes FA.
“Penny struckout Jeter, Ichiro, and Ortiz in the same inning in the allstar game in 06.”
Sheets last yr. at the AllStar game K’d
Jeter, Arod and Manny. Hit 97 and 98 mph vs all 3 of them.
“The guy has filthy, ace stuff if he stays healthy. Another excellent find by Boston. He could be the next Beckett.”
Beckett ? A find, the next person that saids this guy is tough apprently wasn’t watching him
7.12 ERA away from Chavez Ravine
As a matter of fact read it yourselves
http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2008
He makes Wang look like Koufax.
about time boston did SOMETHING. penny can be very good when healthy…in the nl west, at least. not sure what to make of the move. i’m sure he’ll have a good moment or two with boston. doesn’t compete with the signings the Yankees have made so far obviously and doesn’t make up for them striking out on Teixeira.
i’m currently intoxicated. there is no reason for me to say that, but i am anyway because i’m currently intoxicated.
Having Hughes AND Joba, both on strict innings limits in the rotation at the same time will just kill our bullpen. And if Burnett ever gets injured like he seems to do a lot, then we are screwed. We have no depth outside of Aceves and he is likely going to be our long man.
If Hughes is in the rotation, we could be looking a lot at Dan Giese, Victor Zombrano, Eric Milton etc. this year. Thats why it was imperitive that Hughes was in AAA with Aceves as the long man/caddy. That way you were protected against injuries.
Hughes and Joba were injured in 2008 too, don’t forget that.
This opens the door for them to trade Buchholz for Saltalamacchia
“He makes Wang look like Koufax. ”
LOL…..watch Penny going to get bombed in his first year in the AL, just like Beckett did.
“This opens the door for them to trade Buchholz for Saltalamacchia”
who said? Theo is still being naive about trading Buchholz. Theo will find some ways bringing back Varitek, with Bard being a possible backup.
God, it must be awesome to play baseball in Quintana Roo all year….
I understand everyone’s concerns about Hughes injuries in his first 2 seasons pitching in the majors but i wouldn’t read too much into it. neither of them were arm injuries and kind of freak things. i mean first he was out with a strained hammy which happens to almost everyone at one point or another but it was prolonged when he rolled an ankle during rehab. then this year he had a cracked rib. i think you gotta consider what the injuries were before you deem someone an injury risk. i think hughes will have a bounce back year, whether it be in the majors or in scranton. now joba, him i’m more concerned about, because it was an arm issue…
“Having Hughes AND Joba, both on strict innings limits in the rotation at the same time will just kill our bullpen. And if Burnett ever gets injured like he seems to do a lot, then we are screwed. We have no depth outside of Aceves and he is likely going to be our long man.
If Hughes is in the rotation, we could be looking a lot at Dan Giese, Victor Zombrano, Eric Milton etc. this year. Thats why it was imperitive that Hughes was in AAA with Aceves as the long man/caddy. That way you were protected against injuries.
Hughes and Joba were injured in 2008 too, don’t forget that.”
Innings limit =/= pitch count limit. If those two pitch to their abilities they wont need a bullpen.
And Joba was injured because he was mismanaged last year. If he started in ST as a starter and not a reliever he probably wouldnt have got hurt.
“If Hughes is in the rotation, we could be looking a lot at Dan Giese, Victor Zombrano, Eric Milton etc. this year.”
if you didn’t know, Milton and Zambrano are free agents.
Some of you are embarrassing yourselves. Boston taking a flyer on Brad Penny means the Yankees have to react?
Oh heavens, Brad Penny.
My fault Sheets K’d Hamilton, Arod, Manny and Youk at the ASG. Seriously I’m not worried about Penny in a Red Sox uni.
It’s interesting that you would say Penny has nasty stuff.. Yes he did.. but so did Colon.. and let’s see.. how did that turn out for the sox? Just because at one time someone was nasty does not mean they are likely to return to original form.
Hey Pete you think matt cassel would sign with the jets this offseason?
“Oh heavens, Brad Penny.”
LOL classic Pete
“Some of you are embarrassing yourselves. Boston taking a flyer on Brad Penny means the Yankees have to react?”
Yep. We did “reacted” by signing CC and AJ for those whose not updated.
good one ed
Brian,
thanks.
Are we sure this is not Boston’s reaction to Wang’s 5 million ?
“Are we sure this is not Boston’s reaction to Wang’s 5 million ?”
lol, hey it could be. never know.
Ed-
Don’t forget Brian is intoxicated.
“Don’t forget Brian is intoxicated.”
what? on a Sunday night? you drunkie!
“Hey Pete you think matt cassel would sign with the jets this offseason?”
There are going to be 2 names out there you may not want to hear but they are definite possibilities. Donovan McNabb and Miceal Vick (He did his time)
Micheal Vick *
the jets should try to sign cassel. the kid can throw with accuracy and he can run, too. he proved this year he deserves a starting job, and he’s a free agent. i’m sure brady will be back next year and cassel won’t want to sign to be his backup after what he’s done this year. i also doubt favre will be back, with the jets anyway.
oh and i like the yankees.
hey ed i dont care if its sunday its the holiday season and im on vacation
“There are going to be 2 names out there you may not want to hear but they are definite possibilities.”
so I’m guessing the Jets doesn’t want back Pennington? Even though Pennington got his revenage tonight.
Mr. Davis :
“…Signings like Penny are why Theo is the best in the game. A true scouting mind who takes risk on high ceiling talent….”
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Not being experts on the boy Theo – could you give us a list of the briliant low-cost; high ceiling acquisitions he has made ???
Thank you !
Brian from PA they are going to franchise him and trade him.
Roch Kubatko of MASNSports.com is reporting that free-agent pitcher **Mark Hendrickson** and the Baltimore Orioles are working on a deal to bring the starter to Baltimore.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....n-ori.html
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looks like the AL East is going to have another NL pitcher, more fun for the Yanks,
Mangini and Belichick have a better chance of spending New Year’s Eve together than the Jets do of getting Cassel.
update >>>>
Fireman Ed…….what a joke!
Mangini fired!