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Spring training travel guide

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Dec 29, 2008 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post


Here’s the third annual LoHud Yankees Blog Spring Training Travel Guide:

IMPORTANT DATES
Feb. 13: Pitchers and catchers report
Feb. 14: First workout at Steinbrenner Field.
Feb. 26: Exhibition opener against Rays at Steinbrenner Field, 1:15
March 3: Team USA vs. Yankees at Steinbrenner Field, 1:15
March 12: Day off (no fan access)
March 25: Day off (no fan access)
April 1: Final game in Florida. Rays at Steinbrenner Field, 1:15

Here’s the schedule for February and for March.

TICKETS
Single-game seats are not on sale yet. Keep an eye on Yankees.com for more information. Tickets are $31 for lower reserved and cheaper for other levels. Steinbrenner Field holds 10,000 fans.

HIT THE ROAD: Go see the Yankees on the road. You can often get better seats and there are always a lot of Yankees fans on the road during spring training.

The Phillies (Clearwater) and Pirates (Bradenton) play at nice stadiums. The Tigers (Lakeland) play at charming old Joker Marchant Stadium, which has been refurbished. The Blue Jays (Dunedin) play in a bit of a dump, but it’s close to Tampa. The Braves are in Orlando and the Astros are close by to there in Kissimmee.

The Reds (Sarasota) and Rays (Port Charlotte) are within driving distance of Tampa. The Twins and Red Sox are about two hours away in Fort Myers.

Opponent on-sale dates: Jan. 8 (Phillies), Jan. 10 (Braves, Tigers, Twins), Jan. 12 (Blue Jays), Jan. 24 (Pirates, Astros), TBA (Rays, Reds).

WHERE TO STAY: Steinbrenner Field is about two miles from Tampa International Airport. There is a lot of traffic in Tampa, so try and stay in the airport area, which is known as the Westshore part of the city. Hotels come in a wide range of prices.

WHERE TO EAT: Tampa has pretty much everything you can ask for. The International Plaza Mall (near the airport) has a California Pizza Kitchen, Capital Grille, The Bamboo Club, Champps Sports Bar, Cheesecake Factory and a food court.

The Westshore Plaza Mall has several good restaurants, too. You’ll find Maggiano’s Little Italy there along with P.F. Chang’s, The Palm and Mitchell’s Fish Market.

There’s Fleming’s (steak), Roy’s (seafood) and Selmon’s (BBQ) all in a row across from International Plaza. Plus a wide variety of local places. Donatello has excellent (but expensive) Italian down the road from the ballpark. All the chains are close by. The food at the ballpark is nothing special, so get a good lunch beforehand or plan a good dinner later on.

SEE THE PROSPECTS: The major leaguers work out at Steinbrenner Field. The minor leaguers are at the minor-league complex across the street behind the football stadium. You can watch workouts and games there for free in a small fenced-in area.

STEINBRENNER FIELD: There are three practice fields surrounding the main stadium. The Yankees often take batting practice before games on the field beyond the right-field corner. There are some bleachers there and you can get pretty close to the players. The fields on the third base side are used for conditioning and defensive drills for the pitchers and infielders.

Once you get in the stadium, go all the way over to the right. You’ll get a good view from above of the bullpen.

Here’s an on-line guide to Steinbrenner Field.

AUTOGRAPHS: The BP field is a good spot. So is the main field, as many players sign there after workouts. Some fans congregate outside the parking lot, but you’re making a nuisance of yourself there. Work the fences or get near the dugouts, be polite and have a Sharpie ready.

NON-BASEBALL ACTIVITIES: There are plenty of places to get your drink on in Tampa. The Ybor City and Hyde Park areas have some clubs. Blue Martini is one of the good bars at the International Plaza. The bar at Selmon’s has all the games.

There are some nationally ranked golf courses in the area. Disney World is up the highway, about 70 minutes away. Busch Gardens is in Tampa. You can hit the beach if it’s warm enough. Tampa is notorious for its many strip clubs, too. There’s plenty going on.

GO BECAUSE YOU LOVE BASEBALL: Don’t go to Florida because you want to get autographs or you want to meet the players. The odds are slim for that. Go because you want to sit in the sun, watch the game and see how players get ready for the season. Watch batting practice, look for Andrew Brackman or Austin Jackson and form your own opinion on them. Drive to Bradenton or Lakeland and watch a game there.

Shout “good luck” to a guy trying to make the team. Go to the minor-league side and look for prospects. Take a bunch of photos. Make some new friends.

If you plan it out, you can have a lot of fun for not a lot of money. Hope to see you there and please say hello.

 
 

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158 Responses to “Spring training travel guide”

  1. AROD fan December 29th, 2008 at 1:51 am

    I’m so there!

  2. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! December 29th, 2008 at 1:54 am

    I’m definitely gunna be there. My friends and I are planning it.

  3. Ryan December 29th, 2008 at 2:14 am

    How fast do tickets sell out once they go on sale?

  4. Brian from PA December 29th, 2008 at 2:17 am

    wow there are some pretty inappropriate ads on this site i just noticed.

    but other than that i’d love to go to a spring training game. my grandmother lives in the tampa area maybe i can go “visit her” and make my way to a yankees game. also my brother might be getting tickets to one of the new yankee stadium exhibitions vs the cubs. that would be pretty sweet.

  5. Doogie Hauser December 29th, 2008 at 2:47 am

    In response to Pete’s 2008 Post: I, for one, Cannot WAIT for the World Baseball Classic.

    Am I alone in this??

  6. Dewey December 29th, 2008 at 2:53 am

    Im skipping ST this year to be able to get tickets for the new YS in April… but I highly recommend going if you can! Ive gone the past 2 years and was able to do a lot on very little money! There are very affordable hotels in the area, and you can rent cars for next to nothing.

    I never tried to meet any of the players, but “ran into” Brian Cashman in 2007, which was a pleasant surprise. He was very cordial to me.

  7. Run Gardner Run (yeah, the one that got Banned from PSD due to Red Sox homerism) December 29th, 2008 at 3:00 am

    I wish I could go down so bad

  8. Januz December 29th, 2008 at 6:07 am

    I have no interest in the WBC (And I could watch Pirates/Nationals if it was on). I actually consider it a negative, because Benedict Arnold oops Alex Rodriguez decided play for the Dominican Republic, and let David Ortiz, of all people announce it. Which along with the Madonna stuff, amounts to the only blight on this awesome offseason.
    On a dfferent subject, it will be very interesting to see what happens with Xavier Nady. Scott Boras loves to take his clients to free agency. But the market is so bad for corner outfielders, it might make sense to get a 2 or 3 year contract done with the Yankees instead of risking a further drop in the market?

  9. O'Dog December 29th, 2008 at 7:01 am

    Yeah, there’s an amazing amount of titty bars down there. You can see them from GMS field. bring your kids.

  10. MeYanksFan December 29th, 2008 at 7:02 am

    I went down last year. Tics were sold out for Tampa, so I saw the Yanks play the Rays at Al Lang Field in St. Petersberg. Great Time had by the whole fam, I recommend taking the jaunt down. Living in Maine, going south anytime during that time of year is a good thing.

  11. G-Men! December 29th, 2008 at 7:22 am

    still laughing @ the cowboys….
    (and the jets….)

  12. Y's Guy December 29th, 2008 at 7:24 am

    “Which along with the Madonna stuff, amounts to the only blight on this awesome offseason.”

    …you forgot about the cravat!

  13. Arliss December 29th, 2008 at 7:34 am

    Pete – This is great work and really nice of you.

  14. Y's Guy December 29th, 2008 at 7:40 am

    hey pete, sorry about your pats. they played a great season considering. i hate em, but you’ve always been fair about the giants while rooting for your team, and i have alot of respect for that.

    as for you jets and cowboys fans…..look out here comes months and months of the scorn and derision your ‘super bowl pretenders’ so richly deserve!

  15. Doogie Hauser December 29th, 2008 at 7:47 am

    “I have no interest in the WBC (And I could watch Pirates/Nationals if it was on). I actually consider it a negative, because Benedict Arnold oops Alex Rodriguez decided play for the Dominican Republic, and let David Ortiz, of all people announce it. Which along with the Madonna stuff, amounts to the only blight on this awesome offseason.”

    So you have no interest in it simply because A-rod decided to play for the Domincan Republic? I dont get it. If you are such a baseball fan who could watch Pirates/Nats why wouldn’t you be interested in watching the WBC? You know, as a baseball fan and all…

  16. Doreen December 29th, 2008 at 8:02 am

    I wouldn’t say I’m “looking forward to” the WBC, but it will be interesting to follow it. I’ll just hope the US team plays better than it did last time.

    Pete, thanks for all the spring training info. One of these years…….

    One of the topics yesterday was best Christmas present. We got the kids a Wii. Well, turns out, we got my husband a Wii! I’ve lost him, guys! Seriously, it’s so much more fun than we had imagined.

    Hope the addage, “See a penny pick it up, all the day you’ll have good luck” isn’t a truism.

    I’m going to my first hockey game tonight. Rangers at the Garden. I’m not a hockey fan, but I’ve been told that seeing a game live is 1,000 times better than trying to watch on tv. For me, it’s a date with my husband without the kids.

    I can’t wait for the Teixeira press conference. I’m still crossing my fingers that we’ll hear from Mr. Pettitte late this week or early next and that it’s a “yes.”

    I’ve got to stop eating Christmas cookies! :lol:

  17. Whitey Fraud December 29th, 2008 at 8:07 am

    Be sure to stop by Mons Venus. Good place for beat writers’ autographs, too.

  18. Y's Guy December 29th, 2008 at 8:44 am

    i look forward to pitchers and catchers report day as much as anyone, but the reality sets in about the 4th game that ST is really pretty boring and probably a little too long. thats why the wbc coming along every 4 years (3 this time) is a good thing. in reality, it is flawed b/c it is spring training in different uni’s and the pitchers only go a few innings, etc., but at least its a break from the mundane part of ST. for the supernerds, it also gives you a chance to see guys that are in aa or lower get some ab’s with the big club.

    i dont love it, i dont hate it, its spring training in different uni’s

    it is in essence what spring training is…its not real baseball, but in the absence of real baseball, its the next best thing.

  19. SamVa December 29th, 2008 at 8:45 am

    Has anyone had an especially good experience with a particular hotel?

  20. Joe from Long Island December 29th, 2008 at 8:47 am

    Doreen – Good luck going up against Wii. Being a 20th century kind of guy (according to my wife’s co-workers, who are a bunch of software engineers), I have zero interest in video games.

    Hope you enjoy the Rangers’ game. I’ve gone to a few hockey games, mostly when I lived in Pittsburgh. I’m not even a casual hockey fan (follow basketball a little), but I do enjoy the social aspect of going to a sporting event. Baseball games are much better, but in the middle of winter, it will do.

    And this morning I don’t even want to think about the Jets.

  21. Joe from Long Island December 29th, 2008 at 8:48 am

    And, Doreen – don’t feel guilty about the Christmas cookies. Didn’t you know, they’re all zero calories.

  22. VT Yankeefan December 29th, 2008 at 8:48 am

    Just one guy’s opinion but I find the best time to go is before the exhibition games start. During the workout days things are VERY laid back. You can get a chance to actually have a conversation with a player etc.

  23. pat December 29th, 2008 at 8:52 am

    I can understand why but too many players have taken a pass on the WBC for it to be meaningful of much.

    Doreen

    The following article for you. Tell hubby to be careful with the Wii.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/lif.....rents.html

  24. jay destro December 29th, 2008 at 8:59 am

    ive gone to spring training the last few years, probably will be skipping just to save on money for the new tickets at YS. it’s a great time. staying and flying into orlando is cheaper, but you do have to make the drive across i-4 to tampa.

  25. pat December 29th, 2008 at 9:01 am

    Jets fans- Woody Johnson press conference at 10 this morning. Will Mangini survive?

  26. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 9:08 am

    “I have no interest in the WBC (And I could watch Pirates/Nationals if it was on). I actually consider it a negative, because Benedict Arnold oops Alex Rodriguez decided play for the Dominican Republic, and let David Ortiz, of all people announce it. Which along with the Madonna stuff, amounts to the only blight on this awesome offseason.”

    Your just crying because team Dominican Republic is going to whoop dat a….. all around the field.

  27. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love December 29th, 2008 at 9:08 am

    Will Mangini be fired? Stay tuned.

  28. harwood December 29th, 2008 at 9:15 am

    Are spring training games available on MLB.com?

  29. Mike December 29th, 2008 at 9:17 am

    I’m lucky enough to live almost right down the street from the Phillies and Blue Jay stadiums. I plan on hitting those and making it over to Legends Field. It’s my first year down here and I can’t wait for it start. Thanks for the info, it was really what I was looking for.

  30. Clay Buchholz Loves Laptops December 29th, 2008 at 9:18 am

    Mangini got fired. Press conference later this morning.

  31. Doreen December 29th, 2008 at 9:21 am

    pat -

    Funny/enlightening article. Fortunately, my husband is in really good physical condition – works out regularly, etc. But I would imagine you’d still have to be mindful of moves that you don’t normally do. But it must be pretty funny for all these orthopedists treating “Wii Knee.” :)

    Joe from LI -

    Is there an expiration date on the zero calories for the cookies??????? :lol: I’m going to give my sister a bunch when she comes over today. Maybe freeze most of the rest. Seriously, I’m on carb/butter overload!

    Brandon -

    Do you think ARod chose the Domincan team because Team USA stunk so badly last time around and he wants a chance to win? He might be taking an awful chance – the US team could play great without him, the DR team could lose with him, and then he’s just adding to the myth that he won’t help a team win. (I am seriously just kidding here – poking a little fun at ARod’s expense – don’t usually do it, but it’s too easy! :lol: )

  32. harwood December 29th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    Arod playing on the DR team is classic Arod. Arod being Arod. He likes the attention.

  33. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    Doreen I think he’s playing w/ D.R. because it’s something he really wanted to do, now life long dream for his mom is a bit of a stretch if anything she wanted to see him play in a Dominican represented jersey before she dies. I actually think it’s best for him because Alou is a tough minded coach but the thing is while he plays w/ team D.R. he’s gonna learn that baseball is fun once again. No offense to here in the states but U.S. don’t really care about it unless they win, they could talk about pride all they want but most of the U.S. just don’t care about the WBC (same went w/ USA hockey, soccer, basketball) somewhere along the line they just stopped caring, if any of the American fans were to go to Cuba, D.R., P.R. , Mexico and see how these crowds react to competition I think it’d be a whole lot better for these events until then they’re the ones missing the boat on something special.

  34. yanksrule57 December 29th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    It is now an annual event for me and my wife to go to Steinbrenner Field close to our anniversary week in March.
    She use to give me grief about it but now she loves going. We might try to go to the Blue Jays stadium to see the Yanks this year as where we stay is very close to Dunedin.

    As usual I have to recommend my favorite Tampa restaurant, Bern’s Steakhouse. An event as much as a meal the steaks are prime, the wine list is endless, and the homemade macadamia nut ice cream is the best dessert I’ve ever tasted.

  35. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 9:32 am

    BTW it sounds like Mangini has been fired.

  36. Bronx Jeers December 29th, 2008 at 9:33 am

    “Has anyone had an especially good experience with a particular hotel?”

    I stayed at Marriot Execustay Mainsail which is some sort of all-suite corporate complex. It’s good for families or a few dudes. It’s just west of the airport and the stadium is just east of the airport.

  37. harwood December 29th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    “Doreen I think he’s playing w/ D.R. because it’s something he really wanted to do, now life long dream for his mom is a bit of a stretch if anything she wanted to see him play in a Dominican represented jersey before she dies. I actually think it’s best for him because Alou is a tough minded coach but the thing is while he plays w/ team D.R. he’s gonna learn that baseball is fun once again. No offense to here in the states but U.S. don’t really care about it unless they win, they could talk about pride all they want but most of the U.S. just don’t care about the WBC (same went w/ USA hockey, soccer, basketball) somewhere along the line they just stopped caring, if any of the American fans were to go to Cuba, D.R., P.R. , Mexico and see how these crowds react to competition I think it’d be a whole lot better for these events until then they’re the ones missing the boat on something special.”

    What???

  38. Patrick December 29th, 2008 at 9:37 am

    I went down to Tampa for Yankees spring training a few years ago. It was great. I saw 2 games, got there before the games to watch the team practice, played some golf, etc. The weather is beautiful in March, it was in the 70′s and sunny every day I was there. I recommend a trip to Tampa for any Yankee fan.

  39. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 9:39 am

    BTW How great did this guy wake up this morning ?

    http://i39.tinypic.com/fnuk6.jpg

    1. He got the coach that didn’t want him fired
    2. He stuck it to Farve
    3. He stuck it to management
    4. The fans that cheered when he got hurt got it shoved up thier
    5. He clinched a playoff birth in thier home
    6. Playing w/ thier hated rival

    Am I forgetting anything ?

  40. pat December 29th, 2008 at 9:40 am

    Brandon

    There was a report awhile back that the DR team was going to start working out together for the month before MLB camps open. Is that true? Shows the difference in how seriously they are taking this if it is.

  41. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 9:41 am

    “What???”

    Short and simple most of you don’t care. Legally he can play w/ D.R. what’s your beef David Wright and Eva Longoria are going to play 3B……basically do we have to revisit this ?

  42. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 9:42 am

    “There was a report awhile back that the DR team was going to start working out together for the month before MLB camps open. Is that true? Shows the difference in how seriously they are taking this if it is.”

    Yup.

  43. harwood December 29th, 2008 at 9:46 am

    “Short and simple most of you don’t care.”

    Ohhh people are so much more different where you come from. They’re such genuine, caring, meaningful, and passionate people. Americans are such worthless people.

  44. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Yes it will be official Jet fans Mangini has been fired.

    Eric is now just another guy that couldn’t make it in NYC.

  45. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love December 29th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    He was whacked…

    http://www.newyorkjets.com/ima.....os_320.jpg

  46. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    “Ohhh people are so much more different where you come from. They’re such genuine, caring, meaningful, and passionate people. Americans are such worthless people.”

    Why the hell are you putting words into my mouth ? I said most people don’t care about the WBC here. US fans oh and I’m a U.S. citizen too…most of us don’t care about the WBC…Dominican Rep. , Puerto Rico, Mexico, Japan those countries are hyped for this. Most people here aren’t.

  47. Doreen December 29th, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Brandon -

    Personally, I don’t care at all where ARod plays. He’s not doing anything against the rules by playing for the DR. He’s making his mom and himself happy. It’s exhibition baseball.

    As far as people getting excited – perhaps those folks you mentioned get a little more excited by the WBC because they are getting to see their heroes all play on the same team. Heroes that no longer play close to home. Kind of like their dream teams.

    I think that Americans are not as excited about the WBC because MLB is played here in the US. Also, I think many people see these games as inconvenient – they interfere with the major league teams getting ready for the regular season.

    But that doesn’t mean we don’t want to see the US team do well. It’s just different. And of course it’s important to win. I believe the other folks would agree that while it’s great to cheer on your hometown heroes, it’s even better when they’re playing well and winning.

  48. Bob December 29th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    The Rat Is Dead!!!

    Interesting info about the Jets & Pats since Mangini played cop & turned the Pats in for a “rule violation”!

    Since creating all that crap about the sideline camera (and waking up Senator “Magic Bullet” & turning Matt Walsh into a star ….), let’s examine the records of the 2 head coaches.

    Bill Belichick 28 wins and 6 losses (despite playing 16 games without the NFL MVP & using a kid who hadn’t played since high school … amazing!!)

    Judas Mangini 13 wins and 18 losses (despite playing 16 games with a Hall of Fame QB)

    I guess it wasn’t just the sideline camera now was it LITTLE ERIC?

  49. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 9:52 am

    Now Harwood if you can’t read I can’t help you w/ your responses, other than that cut the crap already.

  50. harwood December 29th, 2008 at 9:58 am

    “Now Harwood if you can’t read I can’t help you w/ your responses, other than that cut the crap already.”

    You faulted Americans as people unable/willing to appreciate the game itself and only interested in winning. You’re imagining a fault in all the people that only exists within a geographical border. As if MY people are flawed while YOUR people are so much more real and better. How about you cut the bigoted crap.

  51. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Bob are you a Pats fan ? :D

  52. Xer December 29th, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Todd Jones -Money won’t buy the Yankees a championship

    http://www.sportingnews.com/ex.....77149.html

    First there was CC Sabathia. No one thought too much about that signing. The Yankees usually act like the spoiled only child who threatens to hold his breath until he gets what he wants. They wanted pitching, so they signed him. Now all Sabathia has to do is win 20 games and/or the Cy Young Award every season for the next seven seasons.

    Then, there was A.J. Burnett. He was the first pitcher to use his opt-out clause to the tune of five years and $82.5 million. That’s cool. He has the big fastball that general managers and fans love, and he won a career-high 17 games in 2008. Good for him.

    But now comes Mark Texeira. I’m talking eight years and $180 million. And he’s not even the highest-paid player on his new club?

    Life is about to get interesting for the Yankees and their newcomers. Guys who sign big deals usually come to town feeling like they have to live up to their new pile of cash. But with so many of the highest-paid dudes on one club, A.J. can slide in almost unnoticed. Even Big Tex can hope to be shielded by Alex Rodriguez, or at least take a lesson from him about living up to the pressure of a new deal.

    Let me offer advice to personnel on other clubs: When asked to comment about the money the Yankees have spent, leave it alone. You’ll look like a hater. Just do your thing and let the other Yankees do theirs. Otherwise, you’ll look like you’re jealous. Baseball is different in New York. The Yankees’ bean counters signed off on these deals, but the 29 other teams need to worry about their own needs — or put in for a job with the so-called Evil Empire.

    Now that the Yankees have spent so much and have future Hall of Famers up and down their roster, they’re supposed to win. Anything short of reaching the World Series will be a disappointment. That is no way to go through a season. Baseball turns into a job really fast when you strap such an 800-pound gorilla on your back the first day of spring training and carry it around during a six-month-long regular season (and perhaps into the postseason).

    At this point, the magic of being a baseball fan who doesn’t root for the Yankees turns into cantankerous feeling toward those guys who make all this money. You look differently at them. They had better win every game.

    I wonder if Yankees fans ever blush. What’s so special about pulling for the bully at the end of the street who beats up on the smallest kid in town? What’s cool is when you’re rooting for a team that comes from nowhere. Most of us like the underdogs, and they still have their day in baseball, as we saw with the Rays this past season.

    The Yankees should know by now that money can’t buy a championship. You know, I have a feeling this won’t turn how the Yankees are planning.

  53. Clay Buchholz Loves Laptops December 29th, 2008 at 10:00 am

    Hey Bob,

    Belichick has never won a Super Bowl without Mangini. Perhaps Belichick should offer Mangini a job on his staff.

  54. Mr. Fox December 29th, 2008 at 10:01 am

    Dolphins > Patriots

  55. pat December 29th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    harwood

    The WBC will get SuperBowl like ratings in the DR. American Idol will get bigger ratings than the WBC in the US.

    Brandon may not have expressed it in the way you’d like but from what I’ve read/heard, he does seem on point that the interest in the WBC worldwide is huge compared to the interest in the US.

  56. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    “You faulted Americans as people unable/willing to appreciate the game itself and only interested in winning.”

    Most of them yes. Team USA wins most of you can care less.

    “You’re imagining a fault in all the people that only exists within a geographical border.”

    Imagining ? is that why ESPN did shows about why US fans don’t get into these olympic events like they use to w/ the Dream Team, or the 94 hockey team…BTW Team USA just won the gold medal in basketball…Not a peep the next day. I’m still imagining here ?

    “As if MY people are flawed while YOUR people are so much more real and better. How about you cut the bigoted crap.”

    There is no bigoted crap except from your end. Never did I use my people vs your people, I’m half and half…you sound like an idiot right now making this a people vs people when you know that’s not what I’m doing.

  57. Mr. Fox December 29th, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Oh by the way, Over the hill injured Favre throwing 10 million picks in the last couple of games is completely Mangini’s fault. Direct correlation.

  58. harwood December 29th, 2008 at 10:08 am

    “There is no bigoted crap except from your end. Never did I use my people vs your people,”

    If you can’t read I can’t help you with your responses.

    “Short and simple most of you don’t care.”

    “Most of them yes.”

  59. Bob December 29th, 2008 at 10:09 am

    Fredo STINKS, face it. Just shows that Belichick is the tue genius, which is why none of his cast offs do well on his own. The Jest franchise is a huge joke. The Yankees make them look like ants , as the Yanks are giants.

  60. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    “If you can’t read I can’t help you with your responses.”

    Cute.

    “Most of them yes.”

    So what’s your problem !

  61. MikeEff December 29th, 2008 at 10:10 am

    ” Most of them yes. Team USA wins most of you can care less.”

    Brandon i know that you’re NOT a bigot and they you are a great fan of baseball, but when you say things like the sentence above i believe it sends the wrong message- it does sound like you are separating yourself from other americans–and as you say yourself, you are an american citizen. it is true that many americans sadly don’t care about the WBC, but a lot of that i believe is the media and MLB’s fault for not publicizing and supporting it more.

  62. GreenBeret7 December 29th, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Brandon is right. For countries like Mexico, Panama, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Japan, Canada and the others, this tournament is a matter of national pride. This means a lot more to them than to the American players….for whatever reason. For the winner, this is their WS.

    He’s also right about US fans being blaise. The only time you’ll hear US fans bragging about it is if USA wins….other than that, all you’ll hear from them is how much it doesn’t matter to them…it’s just an exhibition. Just see what gets written if the USA wins…both from the and the fans.

  63. harwood December 29th, 2008 at 10:13 am

    And lets all remember this World “Baseball Classic” has a grand history of happening ONCE.

  64. Tom December 29th, 2008 at 10:16 am

    The dream team doesn’t represent the USA it represents the United States of Nike, NBC, and the IOC. It’s a money making, ratings grab.

    The Olympics stoped being sports and started being more of a spectacle around the time the USSR fell. T.V. networks could no longer market the “US vs. THEM” story line. So, they pushed the IOC into allowing pros to take the place of college kids and amateurs.

  65. Doreen December 29th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    But the fervor for the games is provincial in its origin.

    Part of the “problem,” as I see it, is that the United States is not one nationality. Most of us are hyphenated Americans to one degree or another. A Dominican American may be more excited about rooting for the Dominican team. Even a German/Italian/whatever American will be more personally invested in a particular player who chooses to play for this grandparents’ country of origin. It’s diluted in the United States.

    Not only that, the US is so big and we tend to divide ourselves, among other ways, regionally. Our home team, here in the NYC area, is the Yankees or Mets. It’s not as cut-and-dried as Americans don’t care about the WBC.

  66. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 10:19 am

    And where you think baseball came from harwood ?

    GB, that’s exactly what I’ve been saying, problem here is excuse me.. I’m trying to say it in a non offensive way because some people are soft minded.. some people when they hear the truth and it sounds so unedited can’t take it. There is no right way to say it, there is no safe way to explain things like this, in no way was I offensive to anyone, now if you want to hear a nicely put way read GB’s post.

  67. Tom December 29th, 2008 at 10:22 am

    I can’t root for team USA in the WBC. That would mean I have to cheer for kevin youkilis and dustin pedroia. I am a patriot; however, there are some things more important than national pride.

  68. GreenBeret7 December 29th, 2008 at 10:32 am

    Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees)
    December 29th, 2008 at 10:19 am
    And where you think baseball came from harwood ?

    GB, that’s exactly what I’ve been saying, problem here is excuse me.. I’m trying to say it in a non offensive way because some people are soft minded.. some people when they hear the truth and it sounds so unedited can’t take it. There is no right way to say it, there is no safe way to explain things like this, in no way was I offensive to anyone, now if you want to hear a nicely put way read GB’s post.

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    Thanks, Brandon. I’m not overly concerned about what people on here think of how I say about what I believe. Facts are facts…most Americans are spoiled, self-indulgent and self-centered. They show that in many ways, but, since this is not a political, patriotic or religous forum, I’ll leave out those other examples. By the way, this goes for Yankee fans, too.

  69. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    I hated Reggie Miller as a Knicks fan and Micheal Jordan/Scottie Pippen/Name that Bull :evil: but I rooted for Team USA. In this sense they weren’t on the team I hated, I don’t hate the human being that’s just another extent of dislike if I hate a human being it has to be for a good reason not just a jersey. There are differences here but it is what it is.

    Heck Ortiz, Pedro & Manny are on Team D.R. but I still cheered them on so will most of my family and we’re Yankees fans. When it comes to baseball we get hyped especially w/ the WBC for most latinos this was like thier SuperBowl event, it’s spreading the game of baseball because it has so many components people just don’t fully understand about yet. Now when these players go back to thier original jerseys I’m flashing the bird and yelling you suck all the time.

  70. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 10:39 am

    GB so much truth in your posts even though you know someone is going browse by to take it the wrong way and say you are unpatriotic and go back to your country. Although that would prove the point of self centered/spoiled. It never comes out the right way if they (And by they I mean “us” not) see I’m not classifying one genre but if “they” (look at parethesis meaning) can’t take it the right way then I can’t explain it any better.

  71. harwood December 29th, 2008 at 10:40 am

    “Brandon is right. For countries like Mexico, Panama, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Japan, Canada and the others, this tournament is a matter of national pride. This means a lot more to them than to the American players….for whatever reason. For the winner, this is their WS.

    He’s also right about US fans being blaise. The only time you’ll hear US fans bragging about it is if USA wins….other than that, all you’ll hear from them is how much it doesn’t matter to them…it’s just an exhibition. Just see what gets written if the USA wins…both from the and the fans.”

    People are the same everywhere. And you know what? ESPN set a few viewership records with the first WBC in America. You know what games had insane population viewership in countries like Japan? Games like Japan VS Korea. Know why? Because they all care about winning. Because they want to brag about beating a country they have had hostilities with at something. People are all the same. Everyone wants to win and brag about it. It doesnt make them an less capable of appreciating something that is more intellectually respectable.

    America may not have 30% of the population watching the WBC on television. Does that mean they dont care about anything but winning? No. Does that mean Americans are a different animal then the rest of the world? No.
    There is alot of competition in America for entertainment. Its a massive industry here. Nothing draws viewership here anymore like it still can in other countries. If it did there would be alot of people out of work the next day.
    And this is still only the second time this competition is happening. Id venture to guess alot of people dont know alot about it. Its sure not advertised well. And the people who do know dont expect the American team to measure up to a MLB All Star team. Because alot of the best MLB players may be foreign and not play for the team. And alot my be injured from the last season or afraid to injury themselves and harm their ability to earn a living(professional athletes sometimes care more about their families then the game, its a shame i know). And therefore deem the WBC inferior to MLB.

    “And where you think baseball came from harwood ? ”

    What does that have to do with anything??

  72. Tom December 29th, 2008 at 10:45 am

    I understand what you’re saying Brandon. However, there is a likeability factor with guys such as Ortiz, Michael Jordan and some others, but, I have a hard time cheering for people I don’t like-regardless of what jersey they wear. Maybe that’s why I don’t want Manny on the Yankees, or, a guy like Kobe on the Knicks, or T.O. on the Giants. It would force me to root for people who, for some reason or another, I don’t like.

  73. GreenBeret7 December 29th, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees)
    December 29th, 2008 at 10:39 am
    GB so much truth in your posts even though you know someone is going browse by to take it the wrong way and say you are unpatriotic and go back to your country. Although that would prove the point of self centered/spoiled. It never comes out the right way if they (And by they I mean “us” not) see I’m not classifying one genre but if “they” (look at parethesis meaning) can’t take it the right way then I can’t explain it any better.

    ————————————————————

    LMAO…the best I can do is to go back to the state I was born in, I guess. People always want the truth, unless that truth isn’t the same as their’s. In that, people are the same, everywhere. It’s probable that I’m the same way, though.

  74. harwood December 29th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    “to take it the wrong way and say you are unpatriotic and go back to your country”

    I never said that.

  75. Tom December 29th, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Triva question: In what novel did the word “Baseball” first appear in print?

  76. MeYanksFan December 29th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    SamVa:
    Last March, we stayed at the Hilton Express about a mile away from Busch Gardens. It was about a 1/2 hr drive to Al Lang Field, about the same to Steinbrenner Field. We brought my son along (6 yrs old at the time) so that location worked well for us (we went to Busch Gardens twice while we were there)

  77. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 10:54 am

    “And where you think baseball came from harwood ? ”

    “What does that have to do with anything??”

    “And lets all remember this World “Baseball Classic” has a grand history of happening ONCE.”

    This is why I said that, I’m trying to get what you mean by that also it sounds like your ignoring the fact that baseball was provided pre MLB and it really wasn’t started here. The WBC is to gain more future interest world wide, future players when you put it down w/o thinking what it really means to those countries it can come off skewed… so it’s ok to have a Beltran, Bernie in the states, a Manny, a Vlad, an Ichiro but because one person saids it has a grand history of happening ONCE…the WBC means nothing ?, but in reality these countrie’s players play Winter Ball for living too so doesn’t that mean alot to them.

  78. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Let’s be realistic The WBC is inferior to MLB in the respect that WBC is a round robin tournament, not 162 game grind out schedule.

    I personally like it because it’s baseball with the best athletes playing against one and other.

  79. Brad December 29th, 2008 at 10:57 am

    So hilarious how the Socks are virtually going to the Fresh Kills dump to find players. Brad Penny is a reminder of Wade Miller or Bartolo Colon. Verrrrry chancy.
    Josh Bard ? . . . the same catcher the Socks got rid of 2 years ago because he couldn’t catch Wakefield knuckleball and he suddenly became better with his .202 average ?
    I’ll bet that Theo Epstein has been told to do things on the cheap.

  80. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    I agree Tim..I mean other than egging on some people talking about how Team Dominican Republic is going to whoop dat a…. :lol: I’m going to enjoy it whether they win or lose. I’m cheering for the big 3 DR/PR/USA although USA vs DR would be sweet just imagining an Alex Rodriguez that is playing w/o pressure and hitting the ball con “animo” (energy).

  81. GreenBeret7 December 29th, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Tom
    December 29th, 2008 at 10:47 am
    Triva question: In what novel did the word “Baseball” first appear in print?

    ————————————————————

    Just a guess, but “The Adventures Of Tom Sawyer” or “Huckleberry Finn”.

    As an added note, next time you’re in the HOF, go look at the photos of baseball games. You’ll find a couple of pictures of the first photgraphed baseball game. It took place in 1862 at Fort Pulaski, in Savannah Harbor, Savannah, Georgia, being played by Confederate soldiers. The original photos are in Savannah. I have a copy of them. Oddly, the photos were taken, not because of baseball, but, as a group picture of a platoon and, the game is in the background.

  82. Nick in SF in Charlotte December 29th, 2008 at 11:05 am

    Can Favre come back as player-coach? ;)

  83. Drew December 29th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Where’s the part about paying for our airfare and hotel? :D

  84. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees):

    Hey Brandon, I’ll be hoping A-rod flashes back to his past post season performance and swings at that change-up 6ft outside..:)…if team USA gets to the last round…it should be fun to watch…

  85. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 11:12 am

    “Hey Brandon, I’ll be hoping A-rod flashes back to his past post season performance and swings at that change-up 6ft outside..:)…if team USA gets to the last round…it should be fun to watch…”

    Tim believe it or not I think Manny is going to have a positive influence on him. He plays w/ blinders and has a sandlot way about playing the game, that can alone help Alex realize the game is fun to dominate. God forbid he steals the Manny pose after a long drive to CF :lol:

    Oh and yes that would be fun if USA can make it to the last rd. ;)

  86. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 11:13 am

    alone :? … (only)

  87. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees):

    On a Yankee note, I still think they should sign Manny..:)

  88. Tom December 29th, 2008 at 11:16 am

    GB, it was Jane Austen’s “Northanger Abbey”:

    “It was not very wonderful that Catherine, who had nothing heroic about her, should prefer cricket, base-ball, riding on horseback, and running about the country at the age of fourteen, to books.’”

    The book was written in 1798(!).

    Also, I read a book about 10 years ago, whose title escapes me, about a “Baseball truce” that took place during the civil war.

  89. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 11:22 am

    “On a Yankee note, I still think they should sign Manny..:)”

    I’ve been against this from the get go, getting Tex as much as they overpaid him should end this persuit of Manny.

  90. harwood December 29th, 2008 at 11:24 am


    This is why I said that, I’m trying to get what you mean by that also it sounds like your ignoring the fact that baseball was provided pre MLB and it really wasn’t started here. The WBC is to gain more future interest world wide, future players when you put it down w/o thinking what it really means to those countries it can come off skewed… so it’s ok to have a Beltran, Bernie in the states, a Manny, a Vlad, an Ichiro but because one person saids it has a grand history of happening ONCE…the WBC means nothing ?, but in reality these countrie’s players play Winter Ball for living too so doesn’t that mean alot to them.”

    This makes no sense. What does “my ignoring the fact baseball was provided pre MLB” have to do with my correct assessment of the WBC having a very limited history and thus significance?
    And if the WBC is to gain future interest world wide (which it is, read: exhibition) how does that support your insistence to point out that baseballs origins lay outside of MLB?

  91. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Romeo Crennel was just released, somewhere Jerry Reese is plotting his next attack of snatching a defensive wiz.

  92. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    IMO, I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up with the Yanks, for 2yrs at 45mil…that would be a steal, with the Yanks shopping Nady, and I hear that Hideki could be moved…thats some interesting stuff….

  93. GreenBeret7 December 29th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    Tom
    December 29th, 2008 at 11:16 am
    GB, it was Jane Austen’s “Northanger Abbey”:

    “It was not very wonderful that Catherine, who had nothing heroic about her, should prefer cricket, base-ball, riding on horseback, and running about the country at the age of fourteen, to books.’”

    The book was written in 1798(!).

    Also, I read a book about 10 years ago, whose title escapes me, about a “Baseball truce” that took place during the civil war.

    ————————————————————

    Tom, I must admit, I wasn’t a fan of Jane Austen, so I was guessing. srangely, there have been a few truces that were reported during wars. In the South Pacific, both Americans and Japanese soldiers played baseball and the enemy would sit on hillsides to watch the games. The biggest insult the Japanese could think of to harrass American trops was (cleaning it up a little), “To Hell with Babe Ruth”. My uncle, who was on Guam, Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima and the Phillipines told me about some of these truces…..breaks from action. Of course, I got the down and dirty on these stories.

  94. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 11:28 am

    I hear Mangini is available?

  95. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 11:30 am

    “And if the WBC is to gain future interest world wide (which it is, read: exhibition) how does that support your insistence to point out that baseballs origins lay outside of MLB?”

    It’s origin does lay outside of MLB just do your own research on it, it’s written on Wiki and anything else. OK Harwood respectfully I’m going to choose to stop talking about this, because I’m not going to go all day debating this w/ you, it’s December, I do follow other sports too, a coach in NY has been fired, we still need a SP…there are rumors of trades… so again this is my last post about this right now.

  96. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    “I hear Mangini is available?”

    I like Crennel over Mangini. Plus I’d think what he did w/ the Cleveland D is more impressive than what Mangini did w/ the Jets.

  97. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 11:33 am

    And it makes room for Manny…IMO..:)

    I know there will be nay sayers, but I think it’s a good possibility..Manny on the Yanks..IMO that would be great..

  98. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 11:34 am

    I bet Bill Cowers name will pop up in Dallas, call it a hunch..

  99. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    “And it makes room for Manny…IMO..:)

    I know there will be nay sayers, but I think it’s a good possibility..Manny on the Yanks..IMO that would be great..”

    Manny in NY, next to his boys from Washington Heights, mentoring Robi Can… Just No.

  100. harwood December 29th, 2008 at 11:37 am

    “It’s origin does lay outside of MLB just do your own research on it, it’s written on Wiki and anything else. OK Harwood respectfully I’m going to choose to stop talking about this, because I’m not going to go all day debating this w/ you, it’s December, I do follow other sports too, a coach in NY has been fired, we still need a SP…there are rumors of trades… so again this is my last post about this right now.”

    I have not disputed that. Now what relevance does that fact have to do with the discussion we were having? Why are you diverting?

  101. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees):

    You have to admit it is a possibility…:)

    Rememeber you said Tex wasn’t coming as well…

  102. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 11:40 am

    “You have to admit it is a possibility…:)

    Rememeber you said Tex wasn’t coming as well…”

    And he wasn’t until the Yankees overpaid because they thought gun to your head Manny or him, then they thought next yr. FA are poor, Gonzalez is not Tex and Pujols is a long shot..so they said to thierselves throw the bank at him.

  103. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees):

    If they move Nady, and Hideki…you will see Manny. IMO

  104. Vrsce December 29th, 2008 at 11:42 am

    The Yankees endured a PR bashing after signing Tex, they can not sign Manny now, even if they were so inclined. The resulting storm of bad press would be too much, even for the Yankees

  105. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    Manny is the last piece to the puzzle, a “game over” if you will move…

  106. Joe from Long Island December 29th, 2008 at 11:43 am

    Brandon, how did the Yanks overpay for Tex? I thought they were between what the Sox and Nats had offered, no?

  107. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    “If they move Nady, and Hideki…you will see Manny. IMO”

    IDK I don’t see that anymore. What sense would it make, if anything they’d look for defense at that spot. Damon is still going to be here unless there is a deal we don’t know about yet. I still wonder if X can land a Jonathan Sanchez :?

  108. GreenBeret7 December 29th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Brandon, or, anybody that knows the answer to this question. The Yanks are restricted to signing 4 Class A or B FAs. If they continue with the probability of resigning Pettitte, they will get to their limit. Assuming that there are more Class A and B FAs after the first of the year, or even Spring Training and these players aren’t signed or aren’t offered contracts, what is the time limit that this rule becomes void? Can NYY sign them after a certain date if no teams want them or are unwilling to pay the players terms?

    I know what I want to ask, but, this may be confusing……because, now I’m confused by it.

  109. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 11:45 am

    The Yanks don’t care abot the PR or the payroll…this would inject more people to watch baseball…we are either loved or hated…the seats in all Yanks games would be sold out across the country..well they probably already are, but this would ensure it..just my opinion..

  110. SJ44 December 29th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    I don’t see Manny coming to NY. Never did.

    Tex, even at this price, was an option for a variety of reasons. Some baseball related, some not.

    Manny? No place on the roster for him and there is no way they will want to put up with his nonsense.

    Its more than just acquiring names/talent. Its about acquiring high quality guys.

    CC and Tex are high quality guys. AJ, even though he is a little crazy, is a high quality guy.

    Manny? Just not that kind of guy.

    All of his antics in Boston over the years were somewhat humorous. Until this year, when it became super destructive.

    Destructive enough to have teams stay away from him, regardless of the numbers he puts on the board.

    That should tell you something about the guy and how he is seen by people in the game now.

  111. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 11:48 am

    “Brandon, how did the Yanks overpay for Tex? I thought they were between what the Sox and Nats had offered, no?”

    What 5 million dollars to choose between a winner and a loser, had the Nats offered 15 million more you think he turns that down, meanwhile reports were that he wanted to go to LAA until they closed the door on him, we opened it, we landed him, he’ll improve us immensely defensively a bit offensively. It is what it is, his wife didn’t want to live in Boston he had one choice hence overpaid.

  112. SJ44 December 29th, 2008 at 11:50 am

    The Yankees don’t need Manny to draw interest. They already have 4 million tickets sold at the new Stadium for next year and are the biggest road/TV draw in the game.

    How does Manny add to that?

    I also don’t see them trading anybody right now. With the problems this team has had with injuries/depth the past few years, why trade guys now that they have depth?

    Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me if they did that.

    They don’t need Manny to win. They need to take the guys they have right now, get them to mesh, stay healthy, and play the way they are capable of playing.

  113. Doogie Hauser December 29th, 2008 at 11:51 am

    “I can’t root for team USA in the WBC. That would mean I have to cheer for kevin youkilis and dustin pedroia.”

    That’s borderline pathetic.

  114. SJ44 December 29th, 2008 at 11:54 am

    I don’t buy for a second the “he wanted to go back to the Angels story”.

    Its BS. He wanted to play on the East Coast. It seems like he wanted to play for the Yankees and even took less money to play for the Yankees.

    The Nats would have raised the offer if that’s what it took to land him. Evidently, they were told his preference was to play in NY once the Yankees got into the bidding.

    It turns out both sides won in this deal. Tex got a pile of cash and the Yankees got him at a price they could live with.

    A rare moment when both sides feel good after dealing with a Boras client.

  115. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am

    GreenBeret7:

    Precisely my point, the more class A type free agents you sign the less expensive it really is, Manny would fit the bill. IMO

    SJ:
    I agrre with you on the depth.
    I’m just saying don’t rule it out, I’m reading were the Yanks are shopping Nady, and Hideki..if thats true, Manny would become a possibility..IMO

  116. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 11:56 am

    “Brandon, or, anybody that knows the answer to this question. The Yanks are restricted to signing 4 Class A or B FAs. If they continue with the probability of resigning Pettitte, they will get to their limit. Assuming that there are more Class A and B FAs after the first of the year, or even Spring Training and these players aren’t signed or aren’t offered contracts, what is the time limit that this rule becomes void? Can NYY sign them after a certain date if no teams want them or are unwilling to pay the players terms?

    I know what I want to ask, but, this may be confusing……because, now I’m confused by it.”

    I’m pretty sure it’s the year GB. I forgot about that rule. And if player is from age 39-62 Type A or B players elect free agency, no club may sign more than three such players. Manny is 36 so this is not possible unless there’s a rule I’m forgetting.

  117. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    If 15-38 Type A or B players elect free agency, no club may sign more than two such players. correction (*)

  118. Nick in SF in Charlotte December 29th, 2008 at 11:57 am

    It’s true, they didn’t sign Tex until they did.

    Wha???

  119. YankeeRay December 29th, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Tim Clougher
    December 29th, 2008 at 11:14 am
    Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees):

    On a Yankee note, I still think they should sign Manny..:)

    ——

    Tim, you are as persistent as me lol.

    I am all over this and have been since day one. I had said to sign both Tex and Manny as well as Burnett. I was saying to sign Perez instead of CC so we could save money for Manny.
    But now that we have CC I am happy and greedy at the same time.

    I know our payroll will be higher but it will come down a little next year as Tex goes down to 20 mill and we will probably lose Damon.

    Trading Nady for some bench depth and Matsui for a low level prospect in a salary dump clears room for Manny.
    I’d say 2 yrs with an option at about 22 per should do it.
    He wil be happy to come home and pound the sox and will definitely be a good influence on Arod.

    Go get em Cash

  120. GreenBeret7 December 29th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Tim Clougher
    December 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am
    GreenBeret7:

    Precisely my point, the more class A type free agents you sign the less expensive it really is, Manny would fit the bill. IMO

    ————————————————————

    That’s not what I was asking. At what point do FAs become allowed to sign with any team, regardless of how many players a team of his choice has signed? Perhaps SJ, CB, AJ, CC, JJ or PA or anybody that has initials could answer this.

  121. Phil - 27 in '09 December 29th, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Kat O’Brien, on her blog, has a great rundown of all of the offers made and the timing of the Tex deal. Boras told the Yanks they had to offer 10 years, the Yanks refused. Boras then told them they needed to up the total $ to $192, the Yanks refused. Boras told the Yanks he was going to Boston, in that case. 20 minutes later, Boras called and said he was going to be a Yankee.

  122. Joe from Long Island December 29th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    SJ44 – I was reading John Schuerholz’ book last night, the chapter about dealing with agents. It’s obviously a one-sided discussion, but it’s an interesting read on one GM’s (and a HOF caliber guy at that)) take on the whole FA process, and major league salaries. Not too complimentary about agents and how they’re supposedly driving up salaries and ruining baseball.

    Schuerholz recounted when Andruw Jones negotiated his own contract with the Braves, bypassing Scott Boras, to sign a deal that Schuerholz thought was fair deal.

    I remember one of the things Schuerholz said he would not miss by stepping up to team president from GM was dealing with agents.

  123. Buddy Biancalana December 29th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    SJ-

    If the Yanks don’t re sign Andy, do they stay in house for another SP? or take a flier off the junk pile?

  124. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    GreenBeret7:

    You also have to take into account the type A/B free agents they let go off the roster..

  125. YankeeRay December 29th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    Tim Clougher
    December 29th, 2008 at 11:14 am
    Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees):

    On a Yankee note, I still think they should sign Manny..:)

    ——

    Tim, you are as persistent as me.

    I am all over this and have been since day one. I had said to sign both Tex and Manny as well as Burnett. I was saying to sign Perez instead of CC so we could save money for Manny.
    But now that we have CC I am happy and greedy at the same time.

    I know our payroll will be higher but it will come down a little next year as Tex goes down to 20 mill and we will probably lose Damon.

    Trading Nady for some bench depth and Matsui for a low level prospect in a salary dump clears room for Manny.
    I’d say 2 yrs with an option at about 22 per should do it.
    He wil be happy to come home and pound the sox and will definitely be a good influence on Arod.

    Go get em Cash

  126. YankeeRay December 29th, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    Tim Clougher
    December 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am
    GreenBeret7:

    Precisely my point, the more class A type free agents you sign the less expensive it really is, Manny would fit the bill. IMO

    SJ:
    I agrre with you on the depth.
    I’m just saying don’t rule it out, I’m reading were the Yanks are shopping Nady, and Hideki..if thats true, Manny would become a possibility..IMO

    —-

    We need to do this

  127. YankeeRay December 29th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    Sorry about the double post but the filters are screwing this up I guess. Could be that Pete has my Manny posts filtered as he doesn’t want us to sign both guys he said we wouldn’t :)

  128. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 12:06 pm

    GB7:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-quot.html

  129. GreenBeret7 December 29th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

    Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees)
    December 29th, 2008 at 11:56 am

    I’m pretty sure it’s the year GB. I forgot about that rule. And if player is from age 39-62 Type A or B players elect free agency, no club may sign more than three such players. Manny is 36 so this is not possible unless there’s a rule I’m forgetting.

    ————————————————————

    So, if no team wants to sign a player like Ramirez or Abreu, and the Yanks have reached that limit, the players won’t be allowed to pay? It seems that a time limit must have been written to protect the players interests…whether it’s 15 February, the 1st day on ST games or April 1st. I just haven’t seen it written anywhere.

  130. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    “We need to do this”

    We don’t need to do nothing my god just stop already, there is greedy then there is over arrogance. Manny wouldn’t add anything defensively, it’d be like playing w/ a ticking time bomb, we don’t need this, what we need is a defensive CF who can hit and run another thing is a simple # 4 SP via trade or FA or system other than that we are in good shape.

  131. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) December 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    “It seems that a time limit must have been written to protect the players interests…whether it’s 15 February, the 1st day on ST games or April 1st. I just haven’t seen it written anywhere.”

    Me neither going by Buster Olney’s words.

  132. SJ44 December 29th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    If the Yankees were to shop Matsui and Nady, they wouldn’t be doing it to free up 20+ million for Manny. They would be doing it to reduce payroll.

    That’s why I don’t think they are shopping these guys. I think they like the team as constucted because they finally have some depth.

    Also, the entire off-season theme has been, younger, more athletic, and better defensively. Manny fits into none of those criteria.

    There is also this small matter of Cash and Girardi wanting nothing to do with Manny.

    I don’t see Hal overruling these guys on this issue now that they have signed Tex.

    Buddy,

    If Andy turns down the deal (which would be foolish of him, IMO), perhaps they make a run at Sheets (if his MRI’s are clean) on a one year deal.

    If you are Ben Sheets, are healthy enough to pitch (big “if”), and is looking for a one year deal to re-establish yourself in the marketplace again, why not take the 10 million from the Yankees? If he did, and pitched well, his marketvalue would skyrocket.

    Absent that, they would probably stay in house in an attempt to find a 5th starter.

  133. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    GB7:

    This is even better…

    http://baseball.about.com/od/m.....primer.htm

  134. Vrsce December 29th, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Getting Manny would be a negative, destructive move that would make the Yankees seem ridiculous, bloated and stupid.

  135. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    SJ44:

    I do agree with you, I’m just saying seems to me the Yanks are leaving all there options open.. If a pitcher say Andy is a no they may get another big bat, I wouldn’t be totally surprised…thats all…

    I actually love the flexibility they have right now..but it does seem they are searching for possible trade..at least rumored to be..

  136. GreenBeret7 December 29th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Thanks for the info, Tim. He’s the deal. There were exactly 62 FAs. NYY lost four, and if they resign Pettitte, they are prohibited from signing any more. What this doesn’t answer is what happens to any of the other Class A and B FAs that nobody wants to sign or those players don’t want to play for those teams. Is there a set date that NYY can sign any unclaimed/unwanted players? If not, the players have a legitimate claim to restraint of trade issues.

  137. YankeeRay December 29th, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Vrsce
    December 29th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
    Getting Manny would be a negative, destructive move that would make the Yankees seem ridiculous, bloated and stupid.

    —–

    We are already perceived to be that way so just get him and put us over the top. I don’t see him as destructive especially since we were on him already if we missed on Tex.
    I think that he would add some color to the team and will definitely impact Arod and Cano positively. Manny is not stupid and coming home to NY would keep him in check IMO.

    SJ44, he is every bit as young and more athletic than Matsui and would protect Arod with one of the best RH bats of all time. As far as Girardi goes, he will have to adjust and it might lighten him up a bit. As far as trading Nady and or Matsui, I thnk it would to be clear room for Manny. If not, then it would be to add some IF or OF depth as we can’t have a 7-9 million dollar player on the bench.
    I don’t see how this could hurt us.

  138. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    GreenBeret7:

    I thought with losing Abreu, Giambi and Pettite, maybe I’m reading this wrong but that would allow 3 new and 4 from what you lost on the roster..that would be 7…

  139. Tim Clougher December 29th, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    GB7:

    Got it no more than 4, ok….

  140. GreenBeret7 December 29th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Tim Clougher
    December 29th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
    GreenBeret7:

    I thought with losing Abreu, Giambi and Pettite, maybe I’m reading this wrong but that would allow 3 new and 4 from what you lost on the roster..that would be 7…

    ————————————————————

    No, it’s either three or however many you lose, not the total of both. The Dodgers could have signed 8 total for the 8 they lst. The original number was 66 Class A and B possible FAs. However, 4 signed with their teams before the filing deadline began like Marte), so it ended at 62 FA..

  141. Vrsce December 29th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    Yankee Ray

    You make some very compelling points. However maybe the Yankees are already the best team in baseball and manny is not needed, in which the potential reward is not worth the very real downside.

  142. S.o.S.(GO COLTS!!) December 29th, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    Hey Pete the silleto add is getting hotter by the minute. Are we going to have to pay to get into your site soon?

    Im not happy with Penny going to Boston for 5 mil. His potential is Ace. I know he had attitude problems but we dont need a full squad of boy scouts. I think he would have been a good fit at the number 4 spot. I wonder if we can get a Sheets for cheap now that Penny was signed for nothing. Maybe we can do an incentive laden deal for him.

    In regards to center field. The more i think of it the more i think we should stick with Melky now that we have a big bat in Tex. We need defense out there more than offense. We dont need a #9 hitter to hit .300 25 bombs. If we were to pull off a deal, wouldnt mind going after Figgins.

  143. LTL December 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    I’m beginning to think Cashman may be looking into trading Nady/Matsui for some help at catcher. If Posada can’t do the job, there is the weak spot at this point. Some infield bench depth, salary dump, even a few draft picks are ok, but catcher may be the tipping point right now.

  144. Jonathan Everett December 29th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    I want to go to a few Spring Training games this year. My lady can’t make it because of her work schedule, but I am planning on going for the games on February 27th @ Minnesota, February 28th home and March 1st @ Cincinnati.

    If anyone is interested in car pooling, contact me at jonathan_everettNG@yahoo.com I am a traveling consultant, so I will be using up some rental car points here and getting a sweet ride ha ha.

  145. Guy Incognito December 29th, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    The Holiday Inn Express in Tampa (www.hiextampa.com) is where I stay for spring training. The Yankees stay (or at least used to) at the Radisson across the street. About a 10-minute drive from Steinbrenner field, clean, inexpensive and free breakfast.

  146. Christina December 29th, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    The players dont stay at the radisson bay harbor anymore. Most now have condos that they rent together. I just booked my flight and stuff.. WHat other hotels do you guys recommend? Im booked at the Hyatt Regency Tampa but id rather be at a nice hotel with other yankee fans. Im sure that hotel is just ritzy business…Any suggestions?

  147. Stephen December 29th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    As a Tampa resident, I’m compelled to say that many of places mentioned are really close to the airport and Legends Field, which is nice, but I wouldn’t recommend staying or eating in that area.

    Also, traffic is particularly bad there — probably why you think Tampa traffic is bad, Pete.

    There’s great food in South Tampa (trendier stuff. Bern’s Steakhouse is a must) and in Ybor City (like the Columbia Restaurant – world famous).

    A hotel downtown, like the Marriott Waterside, will let you see more sites and is less than 10 minutes from the stadium.

  148. PBSG December 29th, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    Nice article about ST, but you forgot to mention all the great strip clubs off of Dale Mabry – check out 2001 Odyssey for a great time.

  149. Randym77 December 29th, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    I went to spring training last year, and am planning to go again this year. I will probably drive down, because flying is such a headache these days. (If I’d flown down last year, I’d have spent three days in the Atlanta airport, since they grounded the planes due to bad rivets or some such thing.)

    Pete’s advice to see the Yanks at away games was very good. I love Bright House Field (the Phillies’ new stadium).

    I went to baseball games every day when I was down there last March. Sometimes, I went to two games a day. It was great. I’m not really into autographs, but I got a lot of nice photos. I enjoyed seeing the prospects, and also former Yankee players now playing for different teams.

    Chad Jennings at the SWB Yankees blog usually posts a minor league spring training schedule. (If you want to see the minor league games, go in the second half of March.) They are free, and really laid back. Almost like Little League games.

  150. yankees fan December 29th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    check what this guy says out:
    “Hughes, Kennedy Headed For Scranton?”
    “IronPigs Stomp Yankees”

    lvironpigs.wordpress.com

  151. Jonathan Everett December 29th, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Hey folks, I booked a hotel for ST. Just as a friendly FYI, I used Priceline and named my price and got a 3.5 star Sheraton Suite for $65 a night! It stinks you can’t pick the hotel, but it still rocked anyway, again, if anyone is going at the same time, shoot me a message and we can car pool to the away games. jonathan_everettNG@yahoo.com

  152. Ben December 30th, 2008 at 1:06 am

    Peter,
    Couldn’t agree with you more here. I’ve gone to spring training every year for about 10 years now and nothing seems to make the players more angry than when an unruly fan bothers them as they try to pull out their car. A few years ago I watched a collector chase Mariano’s car with a bat. Its a good thing he had a sharpie in the other hand or he might be in jail.

  153. Brian December 30th, 2008 at 10:17 am

    The Phillies park is real nice. In fact, a much better experience then Legends field as far as security allowing close access to the field etc.

    Joe’s Crab Shack is a very popular, good (chain, not fancy) seafood restaurant in clearwater.

    Also, for those fans the original Hooters restaurant is also in Clearwater!

  154. Ron Davis December 30th, 2008 at 11:25 am

    My dad and I go down every year. It’s a great experience. We’ve been going since I was in high school.

    One place to eat that we always hit is Capogna’s Dugout in Clearwater. It’s not close if you’re in Tampa, but it’s near the Phillies’ park on Gulf-to-Bay Blvd. Great pizza and wings.

    (and if you’re in Tampa, it’s still worth the drive)

  155. tampayank December 30th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    For nightlife, there are a couple nice spots on or near South Howard Avenue south of Kennedy Avenue like Mangroves, the Kennedy which just opened, and Hyde Park Cafe where you might see a few of the players out during Spring Training. Macdintons is a big irish pub that is more of a casual atmosphere w/a nice outdoor deck if you are not into clubs.

  156. thaitourde February 15th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    Thanks, that was a very interesting read. The history behind the facts…

  157. alf January 20th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    holy crap. this is a terrible guide.

  158. jimmy January 29th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    you do get alot of autographs if you go to the pratcices i got jorge posadas bat and basically the hole teams autograph except jeter


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