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Pinch hitting: River Avenue Blues

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 01, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

January is traditionally a slow month for baseball news. So for the second year in a row, we will showcase other blogs with a series of pinch hitters.

First up are the guys from River Ave. Blues. Ben, Mike, and Joe started their blog in 2007 after years of going it alone. Since then they’ve built a community of passionate fans who discuss everything Yankees. As they say, it’s sometimes even-handed, sometimes insane, but never dull. Here’s their post:

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Johnny Damon is awesome. Save for two horrendous months in 2007, he’s been everything the Yankees could possibly have expected when they signed him to a four-year, $52 million contract in the winter of 2005. In fact, it’s quite funny to think that the Red Sox thought Coco Crisp could prove an adequate replacement. Covelli might have the advantage on defense, but when it comes to the lumber in general and hitting leadoff in specific, Damon reigns supreme. In two of his three seasons with the Yankees, Damon has put up numbers on par with his career best. In 2006 he hit a career-high 24 home runs and put up a stat line of .285/.359/.482. While his OBP might seem a tick low for an ideal leadoff guy, only seven teams had a better OBP from their top spot, though that’s really only six because the Yankees are one of those seven.

In 2008 he tied his career best in OPS+, 118, hitting .303/.375/.461. Only one team, the Marlins, had a better OBP from the leadoff spot. They got that mostly from Hanley Ramirez, who should probably be hitting third or fourth considering his 30-homer power. Still, we could reasonably call Damon the best leadoff hitter in the American League in 2008. He was a bright spot in an offense that didn’t live up to expectations. In 2007 his slash stats and his OPS+ might suggest he was a bit below average. But as we mentioned above, it was due to two particularly bad months. In April he hit .229/.349/.329 while dealing with calf problems. After a strong May he fell back off in June with a .226/.286/.333 line. After that he finished off the season with three strong months, and posted a post-All-Star break line of .296/.364/.450. Only Boston had a higher team OBP from the leadoff spot in the second half of that year. As Damon said himself at the start of 2008, “When I go, this team goes a lot smoother.” That’s really true of any leadoff man, and Johnny has been one of the best, if not the best in baseball since coming over to the Yankees. With plenty of question marks in the five through nine slots in the batting order, the Yanks sure could use one more season of reliable Johnny Damon to keep the offense running smoothly.

Who’s to say, though, that Johnny only has one more season in him? Because his contract expires after the 2009 season, it seems like many fans assume he’ll be elsewhere in 2010. However, as we’ve all noted this winter, the Yankees have just one outfielder under contract for 2010. If Johnny has a quality 2009 campaign, the Yankees should certainly consider bringing him back. The problem, of course, is in Damon’s agent, Scott Boras, who will surely shop the outfielder in hopes of finding a multi-year deal. Even so, the Yankees need to seriously ponder the question of Damon’s value to this team. He might be one guy we sorely miss come 2010.

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Thanks to the RAB guys. They’ve been a great addition to the Yankees blog universe. Coming tomorrow: Respect Jeter’s Gangster.

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790 Responses to “Pinch hitting: River Avenue Blues”

  1. bphill January 1st, 2009 at 1:24 am

    happy new year…
    great post guys

  2. Buddy Biancalana January 1st, 2009 at 1:30 am

    Well done RAB! Damon will hopefully be back in 2010. Happy New Year!

  3. Bob January 1st, 2009 at 1:30 am

    Damon is toast

  4. joeman January 1st, 2009 at 1:48 am

    are you serious,Damon will not be with the Yankees next year..

  5. Bronx Jeers January 1st, 2009 at 1:48 am

    If Damon has another solid year at least they can offer him arbitration without fearing he’ll accept

  6. bigjf January 1st, 2009 at 1:49 am

    I agree with these guys. If Damon can continue to play LF I wouldn’t mind him for at least an extra season, maybe even two. But I don’t think the Yanks can afford to have him hogging up the DH spot.

  7. Davis January 1st, 2009 at 2:04 am

    Damon will be traded for Joe Crede

  8. Moshe Mandel January 1st, 2009 at 2:15 am

    Could there be a worse fit than Joe Crede and the Yankees?

    If Damon replicates 2009 in 2008, the Yankees should definitely consider bringing him back, especially if the alternative is throwing money a Matt Holliday, a bad big contract waiting to happen.

  9. Moshe Mandel January 1st, 2009 at 2:15 am

    Erm…..I meant 2008 in 2009.

  10. Christopher January 1st, 2009 at 2:51 am

    What kind of prescription drugs are you people on? Holy SSSS!

  11. Darfunk January 1st, 2009 at 3:03 am

    “we could reasonably call Damon the best leadoff hitter in the American League in 2008.”

    Nice post, I agree that Damon has been wonderful so far for the Yankees.

    However, I think Grady Sizemore and Ian Kinsler were clearly the best leadoff hitters in the AL in 2008. And Granderson is up there as well, with a comparable performance to Damon at the plate. And people could make some arguments for Brian Roberts, although Damon was probably better by a hair.

    So I think it is more reasonable to say that Damon was probably the 3rd or 4th best leadoff hitter in the AL in 2008.

  12. dan January 1st, 2009 at 3:04 am

    The link at the top for RAB is the wrong link.

  13. i am the walrus January 1st, 2009 at 3:09 am

    The biggest problem with Damon is his fielding. Next year sees Matsui and Damon both ending their contracts with the Yankees. If Damon puts up decent numbers as the leadoff hitter, why not look to keep him around to patrol left as a relief outfielder and DH? Damon brings a lot of fun to clubhouse, as well as does a great job with recruiting players to come to the Yankees.

    Matsui will more than likely be done after this season. Damon still has some gas in the tank, and he has shown fairly consistent numbers as the leadoff hitter. Limit his exposure for throwing out people by keeping him in left and he can do well.

    Abreu would have been OK to bring back this go around if he was limited to DH. Damon can still field well enough, though CF is not his area anymore. His play in left was fine.

  14. i am the walrus January 1st, 2009 at 3:17 am

    Grady isn’t coming to the Yankees though. He is stuck in Cleveland for a while to come. Damon also keep some veteran presence in the OF which will help transition the younger players.

    Granderson didn’t really impress me, but I didn’t see all that much of him. He is OK from what I saw, but I personally would rather have Damon for a while longer.

    Damon has become a real salesman for the Yankees. That kind of enthusiastic attitude is what you want from the players.

    Damon was one of the believers that the Yankees could overcome their poor start in 2007 as well. Its the positive, can do attitude you want in the clubhouse.

  15. Darfunk January 1st, 2009 at 3:35 am

    Hey I’m not saying that I don’t want Damon on the team. I am simply stating that the claim that “we could reasonably call Damon the best leadoff hitter in the American League in 2008″ is very false considering that Kinsler and Sizemore were definitely better than him in 2008. That’s all I am saying. And Granderson was very close.

  16. YanksAngel January 1st, 2009 at 4:03 am

    I do think Damon is highly underrated as a leadoff hitter. It will be interesting to see what happens if he does have a great year in 2009. I believe Jeter’s future poistion will now be Left Field, with 1st base being tied up :) so it would be ideal to keep Damon for 1 more if they try to move Jeter there only after his contract is up. I sense Damon really likes NY, so he might accept arbitration if offered, especially if it looks like he might have a good chance to get another ring out of it.

  17. fratty January 1st, 2009 at 4:11 am

    I doubt Jeter is moving away from SS. Who do you suggest the new SS should be? It would almost certainly have to come through a trade or free agency, as the Yankee minor leagues will have produced no reasonable shortstop by the time Jeter’s new contract is coming. It would be a lot easier to find a new outfielder than a new shortstop. He probably has little interest in playing any other position anyway, even if first base was available. His bat isn’t really good enough for a corner OF spot or 1B anyway. He almost has to remain the SS.

  18. YanksAngel January 1st, 2009 at 4:11 am

    In regards to his 2008 season, I think he would have been viewed in a much better light by most people had the guys behind him been playing up to their career averages. It makes no difference how many times you get on, if you’re left on. :( I think that will be much better this year though, especially since a certain pitcher who likes to use Jeter’s hand for target practice is no longer in the division. If the boys stay healthy I think we’ll be smiling a lot this year.

  19. YanksAngel January 1st, 2009 at 4:17 am

    fratty

    It wouldn’t surprise me to see Jeter moved from SS after 2 years, which is why I think they’d love to keep Damon there for 1 more if he has another good year. I’m one of the biggest Jeter fans there is, but I don’t think he’ll be one of the best SS after 2 more years. Keeping Damon another year means the Yankees have another year to figure how how to replace Jeter at SS, probably by trade. Who knows who’ll be available then. I think Jeter will retire a Yankee, but I don’t think he’ll retire as a SS, not by his choice mind you, but I think they could very well use that in negotions with him when his contract is up.

  20. gianthinker January 1st, 2009 at 4:44 am

    I hate Johnny Damon. I never wanted him on the Yankees. I dont want him on the Yankees now. I look forward to him being elsewhere next season.

    …And nice argument that he’s been everything the Yankees could have dreamed of when they signed him to play CF and he’s not even doing that. No matter how great you think he is we signed him for CF not LF so its not a successful signing and I pray we wont compound it by even thinking for a single second about retaining his services after the Boston spy’s contract is up.

  21. gianthinker January 1st, 2009 at 4:47 am

    This was posted on SI.com by Jon Heyman from the GM Winter Meetings:

    GM meetings: Yanks want Hudson

    By Jon Heyman

    Quote:
    DANA POINT, Calif.—The Yankees are exploring a possible bid for free-agent second baseman Orlando Hudson, and are intrigued enough by Hudson’s talent and reputation as an excellent clubhouse influence to bat around the possibilities of trading talented young second baseman Robinson Cano or even signing Hudson with the idea of moving him to centerfield.

    The Yankees’ interest in Hudson could incite a crosstown battle with the Mets, who are weighing the idea of Hudson replacing Luis Castillo at second base for them.
    The Yankees are finding the centerfield markets barren, and that even includes the trade market, which has led general manager Brian Cashman to consider some unusual possibilities for the position. There are no free-agent center fielders the Yankees consider viable to start for them, and Cashman is said to be having trouble finding trade possibilities, as well. It’s believed the Yankees would have interest in the Dodgers’ Matt Kemp, the Royals’ David DeJesus or a few others, but no teams appear anxious to trade a young center fielder.

    That has caused the Yankees to consider Hudson, who hit .305 with eight home runs for Arizona last season and is considered a great clubhouse guy and “high energy’’ player, to play center field. The other possibility, of course, would be to trade Cano, the ultra-talented player whose stock fell last year.

    The Yankees’ first free-agent target is superstar pitcher CC Sabathia, but they are aiming to sign at least two high-end free-agent starters and will also consider A.J. Burnett (as soon as he opts out and becomes a free agent), Derek Lowe and perhaps Oliver Perez. Among position players, the Yankees are looking at Mark Teixeira and Manny Ramirez as well as Hudson.

    Cano’s struggles have led the Yankees to consider hiring as a major-league coach infield instructor Mick Kelleher, who’s emerged as the leading candidate to replace fired third base coach Bobby Meacham. Kelleher, who has received high marks for his coaching in the minors, has the distinction of playing 11 seasons in the big leagues without ever hitting a home run.

    The Yankees are still weighing how to utilize their coaches, and one possibility would be to make Kelleher the first base coach and move Tony Pena to third base. Kelleher is seen as a “Larry Bowa type.’’

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    Comments? Concerns? Opinions? Hudson to center? I personally think Hudson is one of the best 2B in baseball and he is an extremely nice guy. He’s great in the club house. This guy can play 2B/SS/CF. I’d be all for signing him to whatever deal he wants at this point to start at CF and when Jeter’s ready to move we’d already have his replacement. Thoughts?

  22. gianthinker January 1st, 2009 at 4:48 am

    I dont know why the hell the Mets haven’t signed Hudson but its nuts for a player of his skill sets to still be out there. I’d take him on the Yankees in a second.

  23. Run Gardner Run (yeah, the one that got Banned from PSD by a RS fan)) January 1st, 2009 at 6:38 am

    That Hudson article was written before we signed, Sabathia, Burnett, AND Teixiera. Theres absolutely no way the Yankees sign Hudson.

  24. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 7:38 am

    damon was hired to be a cf. he’s not.

  25. Phil - 27 in '09 January 1st, 2009 at 7:40 am

    You’ve posted the pre-Christmas Hudson article in numerous threads….

  26. rover January 1st, 2009 at 7:40 am

    Personally I like Damon but this is a business. Move him out if you improve the team and solve some problems short and long term. I feel its a mistake to move him strictly due to age. He’s got gas enough for 3 maybe four really decent years. Replacing him as a leadoff will not be easy without lots of cash and or personel. Do it if it makes sense, but to force it is trouble.

  27. Dan L in nj January 1st, 2009 at 7:46 am

    How sad to promote the overratedDamon to start the year.

    Jeter when give the chance is a much better hitter leading off then Damon and even better first batter of the game.

    For there careers Jeter compared to Damon.

    1st batter of the game:

    Jeter, 448 games ba .354, obp .408, slg .561, ops .969
    Damon, 1519 games ba .274, obp .345, slg .389, ops .734

    Now batting first in the lineup:

    Jeter 448 games ba .315, obp .389, slg .471, ops .859
    Damon 1526 games ba .289, obp .355, slg .438, ops .793

    These numbers are from Baseball-Reference.

    Last year Damon didn’t hit left handed pitching like he did for most of his career so does he bounce back?

    For all the talk about Babip with respect to Swisher does anyone believe that Damon will keep his lofty babip against right handed pitching? .339 for last season which is .033 above his career norm of .306.

    Jeter should lead off with Damon batting second.

  28. Raj January 1st, 2009 at 7:54 am

    I agree with Jeter hitting lead-off and Damon batting second, as you stated Jeter has higher numbers batting lead-off plus he takes more pitches. The only slight issue I see is Damon is a better base stealer than Jeter

  29. 'The' Steve January 1st, 2009 at 8:21 am

    Nice post, guys. I’ll assume that was from Ben, it sounds like his writing style.

    As far as LF goes, I think Jeter will be out there when Damon leaves next year. Jeter’s contract comes up in 2010, and the Yankee brass will want to see him in LF before they hand him a 3-4 year extension. His fielding at SS is getting untenable, and you can’t give him an opportunity to get 3,000 hits at the age of 37 at that premium defensive position.

    No, I don’t have any idea who will replace him at SS.

  30. Brad January 1st, 2009 at 8:27 am

    Damon’s fate is in his own hands. If he’s a sparkplug leadoff man in 2009 and stays healthy, he’ll be offered another contract of a year plus a team option of another.
    Matsui will be gone and Matt Holliday will be in the sights of the Yankees.

  31. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 8:37 am

    gianthinker
    January 1st, 2009 at 4:47 am

    Comments? Concerns? Opinions? Hudson to center? I personally think Hudson is one of the best 2B in baseball and he is an extremely nice guy. He’s great in the club house. This guy can play 2B/SS/CF. I’d be all for signing him to whatever deal he wants at this point to start at CF and when Jeter’s ready to move we’d already have his replacement. Thoughts?

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    Hudson is a good 2nd baseman, but, his “great play” at 2nd is a myth. Cano is as good right now as Hudson ever was. Where you got the idea that Hudson can play shortstop or center field is beyond me. He’s never played a professional game at SS or in the outfield. Beyond that, he’s torn the same tendon in his left thumb in each of the last two years and late last year (2008) he broke his left wrist. He has no power and he doesn’t steal bases.

    Cano’s FA and range numbers are the same as Hudson’s, he’s a superior hitter and he’s 5 years younger than Hudson.

  32. DukeCT January 1st, 2009 at 9:22 am

    Keep Johnnie. Trade Swisher and Nady. Don’t sign Andy (much as I love him). Sign Manny. Start Gardner in CF to see if he can become a lead off hitter to take over for Johnnie. Put Manny in RF; he can’t play LF in Yankee Stadium. Melky is his defensive caddy. Manny takes over for Matsui as DH next year. What a lineup!

  33. Wave Your Hat January 1st, 2009 at 9:24 am

    “Hudson is a good 2nd baseman, but, his “great play” at 2nd is a myth. Cano is as good right now as Hudson ever was. ”

    GB7,

    Happy New Year to you.

    I’m not advocating getting Hudson or getting rid of Cano, but there is a lot of evidence that Hudson is a pretty good second baseman and Cano has issues. FA and range factors don’t really tell the story.

    I don’t know how you feel about the guys from the Fielding Bible, but their judgments come from eyeballs on each actual play and not from a hypothetical model.

    They indicate that between 2006 and 2008, Hudson was one of the best second basemen in the majors:

    http://www.billjamesonline.net.....eaders.asp

    Cano in 2008 comes out as one of the worst:

    http://www.billjamesonline.net.....eaders.asp

    However, in 2007 Cano was one of the best:

    http://www.billjamesonline.net.....eaders.asp

    So I really don’t know what to make of Cano other than that 2008 was really a lost year for him. But Hudson is pretty good.

  34. Wave Your Hat January 1st, 2009 at 9:28 am

    Why is my comment “awaiting moderation”? Did I miss something?

  35. Digger January 1st, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Sign Brian Roberts. Move Cano to LF.

  36. Fran January 1st, 2009 at 10:00 am

    Damon has done a good job as the lead-off hitter but he was also signed to play CF which he really can’t play anymore. He is a somewhat adequate LF and only there because he has to play somewhere. I don’t want him out there past this season when the contract expires. Don’t think I see Damon here past this season.

    Happy New Year to everyone.

  37. All sorts of riffraff January 1st, 2009 at 10:06 am

    I love Johnny Damon. He’s the consumate pro, and I can recall more moments where he came through and the others couldn’t than I can with anyone else on this team, with perhaps the exception of a healthy Matsui.

    I also think you don’t give a post-35 guy a long-term deal. It’s going to be a tough choice but, unless the numbers work, you look elsewhere next year.

    Happy new year, everyone.

  38. ASH January 1st, 2009 at 10:23 am

    I have been fairly happy with Damon’s production, more dissappointed in the results of the team as opposed to 1 individual player.

    Considering that Damon, Matsui, and Nady are all free agents, I think its hard to see the Yankees parting ways with all three. With Matsui obviously a DH only and Nady more than likely requiring a 3-4 year deal, Damon is probably a good/great 1,2 fill in.

    It would be great if Gardner can earn/win a OF spot for a couple of years, Jackson be ready, and we fill the last spot with a FA or Damon.

  39. 86w183 January 1st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    I love Brian Roberts and the idea of signing him and moving Cano to LF has a lot of merit… but I would prefer to sign Carl Crawford if he was available. As for SS, plenty of good defensive SS likely to be FA next year, but probably not a top all-around guy.

    I like Damon and think he is adequate in CF (with late inning defensive replacement) and better than that for LF, but would want to go year-to-year after 2009.

    GB 7 is right, Orlando Hudson is way overvalued by some on this board.

    Tough to take strong stands on things until we see how this season plays out for Damon, Matsui, A-Jax among others.

  40. GrouchoNYY January 1st, 2009 at 10:35 am

    Damon is becoming more of a defensive liability each season. He’s no longer a center fielder. He can’t throw. He won’t improve. He’s, at best, a DH moving forward. After this season, let him walk. Outfielders are more easily replaced than most positions.

  41. Tom January 1st, 2009 at 10:39 am

    If I can remember correctly, wasn’t Cano projected to move to the outfield by 2010?

    I seem to remember somebody (Callis? Neyer? Sickles?) said that as Cano “filled out” he’d be moved to the OF.

  42. swisher4cf January 1st, 2009 at 10:39 am

    duke

    why would u trade nady and swisher they are young players that produce.swisher had one bad year.

  43. Old Ranger January 1st, 2009 at 10:44 am

    One of my favorite subjects…Johnny D.
    Over rated lead off hitter; very good hitters have ups and downs as the year goes by but, Johnny has bad months. Let’s face it he isn’t what he was (at his age no player is). Speed is down, power is down and if he hadn’t pushed really hard in the last two months, he never would have seen .300. Jeter and Bobby didn’t help his scoring, but neither did he. Many games I saw him on 1st base looking to steal but, he didn’t go and Jeter hits into one of his 20+ DP to end the game. Or, jeter gets a hit and Johnny goes to 2nd (only), Bobby pops up…….etc, we could go on but, I won’t because some are waiting to say how wrong I am. Got a clue for some; use stats…don’t let them use you. Happy New Year Guys!

  44. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Brian Roberts isn’t a FA. There is no “signing” him, and Baltimore isn’t about to trade him to NYY.

    WYH, no, I have no use for Bill James and his BS numbers. It doesn’t take into account the weather conditions, fild conditions, type of pitches thrown or pitchers, whether it was a hit and run. Some clown sits with a diagram and determines that whether a player should get to a ball or not. Ever notice how many Red Sox players are “among the best” at their positions? They aren’t, but, guess who’s a paid board member of the Red Sox? James has spent 15-20 years inventing his numbers to sell his books to suckers in the Fantasy baseball games. I have zero use for James and the numbers kids.

  45. John from Eastham January 1st, 2009 at 11:11 am

    I do not believe Ajax will amount to much.Trade him.Aaron Rowand and Jonathan Sanchez look appealing.

  46. Januz January 1st, 2009 at 11:15 am

    Derek Jeter will likely finish his career with the Yankees. I could see him getting his 3000th hit, and retire that year. I think he is a unique athlete who will never allow the fans to see a bad Derek Jeter. The obvious choice after the 2010 season will be to move Jeter and trade Cano (Because 2nd requires much less range). In addition, there are a lot of decisions about prospects like Suttle and Laird.
    One of the funny things is, that when Derek Jeter retires, it will become Mark Teixeira’s team, and never Alex Rodriguez’s. I think that is one of the reasons why Teixeira was signed. To have a leader in place when Jeter, Posada, Rivera and Pettitte (The old guard) leave the team. Alex Rodriguez does too many stupid things off the field, to ever be a leader (Even if he breaks Bonds and Aaron in home runs).
    This will be the interesting story as time goes by, how much impact Teixeira will have on this team in 20111 and the out years, more so than Jeter long-term.

  47. John from Eastham January 1st, 2009 at 11:22 am

    “I have zero use for James and the numbers kids.”

    Agreed, all this fascination with the OPS’s & the OBS’s etc. is beyond me.Hey kids, tear yourselfs away from the computer and go and play ball.Smell the leather in the pocket of a new ball glove,tape the handle of a Louisville Slugger,whack the dirt and mud from a real ballfield off of your cleats(don’t call them spikes),and live the game.Those memories of childhood pick up games are the baseball stats that will mean something,when you are a tired old fart like myself.Oh, and while your at it,put a baseball card in the spoke of your bike.

  48. hobbie January 1st, 2009 at 11:23 am

    At best, Jeter may be capable of playing shortstop for 1-2 more seasons. If he is serious about winning and remaining a Yankee his whole career a move to LF is indicated.

    The Marlins are making the news with a rejected red sox offer for Hanley Ramirez. Hanley is a great all around athlete. He could be the answer at CF this year and at short next year. He has good pop and has good tools. He hates the Mets. We need to built a package for him preferably fronted with Kennedy and Melkie- supplemented with one or two minor leaguers with some upside. I like Damon, but would go no further than offering him Arbitration in his walk year. The team has to get younger in the field to continue to compete with the rays the Sox and the Jays.

    Successful teams turn over their rosters over time. At the moment our team is without a reliable substitute for SS and C and we already flushed last season down the drain due to the loss of Posada.

    The Giants and Braves appear deep at catcher. We need a front line major league catcher who can hit. McCann is a good target as they have a kid they would like to promote.

  49. Tom January 1st, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Roberts is a FA after next season. He’ll be 32, so he’s not a long term solution.

    He’ll want a 3-5 year deal and, most likely decline because of age.

  50. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 11:26 am

    Tom
    January 1st, 2009 at 10:39 am
    If I can remember correctly, wasn’t Cano projected to move to the outfield by 2010?

    I seem to remember somebody (Callis? Neyer? Sickles?) said that as Cano “filled out” he’d be moved to the OF.

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    Cano may move to a corner outfield spot, but, not until there’s a better option, and Hudson ain’t it. Not sure about Damon Sublett, but, we should know by the end of 2009 whether he’ll continue to improve, offensively and defensively. Trading a ton of talent for somebody like Roberts or signing for an inferior player for Hudson (to more money than Cano makes) isn’t the answer. NYY has young infielders on the way up and moving players to other positions is the answer, not signing 2-3 FAs, year after year.

    This year was an unusual FA year because of who was available, and the fact that they matched the Yankees immediate and long term needs. They have the best commodity coming through the system and fast….hard throwing top of the line rotation pitchers and throwing relief pitchers. Some of them will be traded for young, top of the line position players. Atlanta needs young pitching and has young position players to deal….outfielders, in particular.

  51. 86w183 January 1st, 2009 at 11:27 am

    Brian Roberts is a FA after this season. That’s when one strategy could be to sign him for 2B and move Cano to LF to replace Damon. He will be 32 in October though, so you’d have to limit the years since speed is such a big part of his game (90 SB last two years).

  52. ASH January 1st, 2009 at 11:28 am

    Hobbie,

    Starting a trade with Kennedy and Melky is an insult to Hanley Ramirez’s Talent.

    Better start with Hughes+Cano++++++++

    NOT HAPPENING!

  53. 86w183 January 1st, 2009 at 11:31 am

    Any package for Hanley Ramirez would have to include Hughes or Joba as a starting point… Montero or Romine would have to be a part of it as well. the guy is a great player and you do not get great players with Kennedy, Melkey and “prospects”.

    Is Hughes, Coke, Romine and A-Jax enough? Probably, but it’s a lot to give up.

  54. Tom January 1st, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Tle Marlins turned down Clay Buchholz and Jacoby Ellsbury. Why would they then agree to trade Hanley Ramirez for Kennedy and Melky?

    The Yankees would have to offer Hughes, Jackson, Mark Melancon, Montero, and Kennedy; but, why would Cashman do it?

  55. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Thanks for the positive article on Johnny Damon. I like him, and I hope he has a great 2009 so there’s no debate about whether or not the Yankees should keep him around after that (well, who am I kidding, there’ll be debate regardless! :lol: ).

    I know he’s getting older, but at least until the Yankees have better options for the outfield and to leadoff, I like having Johnny.

    Hey, he won me over back in ’04 with his David Letterman appearance. It was sacriligious at the time, but he’s just a likeable guy.

    He brings a real positivity to the team, and he seems to like being a Yankee, he’s good, a great recruiter, too.

  56. Wave Your Hat January 1st, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    “Some clown sits with a diagram and determines that whether a player should get to a ball or not.”

    Isn’t that the way you and I do it, too? I mean, I don’t sit with a diagram, but on every play I make either a conscious or unconscious judgment about whether the fielder should have made the play or not.

    All the Fielding Bible guys do beyond what you and I do naturally is keep a record. They may be right or wrong in any one instance, and you have a point about conditions, but when all those individual judgments are aggregated over the whole season I think they are bringing something to the table.

    I watch pretty much all of the Yanks’ games, either on TV or in the stands. Seems like you do, too. My eyes told me Cano’s defense was down last year, particularly on turning the double play. What did you see?

    That said, I’d keep Cano and leave him at second. I think he’s better than he showed last year. Moving him to LF isn’t going to improve the team – his potential for being a huge benefit over the average player at his position will decrease dramatically if he’s moved out there.

  57. Januz January 1st, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    I think there is to much math and numbers used in baseball. Stuff like win shares should be a tool used to evaluate players, but it should not be the end all to rate players. I think of a Scott Brosius who had a .314 World Series batting average, compared to a .257 regular season average. What you do in October cannot be compared to June against the Royals in the third inning. Here is another point, the 2008 Elias rankings: There are not many people who are more anti-ARod than me, but how MATT CAPPS! (A pitcher with a 15-11 career record) , Brad Penny and Robbie Cano can be ranked by Elias over him is beyond reason (In fact, he did not qualify for the top 50 after winning the MVP). The player who was as the ranked as the BEST in baseball is David Ortiz (Getting a PERFECT score of 100). When I see that kind of stupidity, I cannot comprehend why their numbers are cited to rank players.
    Those kind of examples are why I do not take all the number crunchers seriously.

  58. Fernando Alejandro (Respect Jeter's Gangster) January 1st, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    I’ve been a Damon apologist for a while now. Even in his injury plagued 2007 campaign. If he can get going this season with all the additions we’ve made, its going to be a good year for the Yankees.

    As for the trade talks, I would trade Nady. Its his last year before free agency and though it would be nice to reap the benefits of a player in his walk year, I’d rather give Swisher a shot in right since he’s looking to rebound and we have him signed long term. If it doesn’t work out, we can always sign Nady as a free agent for 2010.

  59. j2 January 1st, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    MLB Network is online this a.m. in the Rochester area (channel 238). Thanks Gus and others re the info.

    BTW, River Ave. Blues is a great site. I agree with starks on Damon, though; he’ll be back only if we win it all.

  60. Frontier January 1st, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    After all the energy he and his wife put into recruiting AJ and CC… how do you not bring him back? This guy cares as much about winning as anyone in the league and thats what we need… guys who are hungry to win and who want it badly.

    Forget his chemestry/intangibles for a second… he is still a damn good player. Sees a ton of pitches, good OBP, good power, hits .300.

    Not to mention he may be the only guy on the team (assuming Gardner doesn’t start) who will steal 20 bases.

  61. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    January 1st, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    I watch pretty much all of the Yanks’ games, either on TV or in the stands. Seems like you do, too. My eyes told me Cano’s defense was down last year, particularly on turning the double play. What did you see?

    That said, I’d keep Cano and leave him at second. I think he’s better than he showed last year. Moving him to LF isn’t going to improve the team – his potential for being a huge benefit over the average player at his position will decrease dramatically if he’s moved out there.

    ————————————————————

    What did I see? I saw a 2nd baseman that had to cover 1st baseman’s territoty along with covering too much of the shortstop’s area by playing more straight up than playing one side or the other, according to the pitcher and situation. Giambi’s only defensive value was digging the thrs out of the dirt. It’s hard to turn double plays when the opportunities aren’t there. If there were more than 3 DPs by the 1st baseman this year, I shocked. I noticed that Jeter’s chances were down considerably, too. He had more putouts but a lot less assists than in 2007, while Cano’s were nearly identical in both years. Also, keep in mind that Pettitte wasn’t getting his normal grounders per game, because his cutter wasn’t working, and the other ground ball machine, Wang missed over half of the season. Wang were replaced by fly ball machines.

  62. Jeff NJ January 1st, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Good write up, Damon is definitely underrated as a part of the Yankee offense. One thing I disagree with you about though is you say the Yankees only have one OF under contract in 2010. Actually there is Swisher, Melky, Gardner and A-Jax. Damon has to keep it up this year, otherwise they will look for a cheaper option. If he does though, I would like to see him resigned to a 2 year deal as LF and leadoff hitter.

  63. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 1st, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    First off Happy New Years everybody ! Yes I’m still in/out

  64. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 1st, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Good post, RAB!

  65. Old Ranger January 1st, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    GreenBeret7 @ 1126…
    Cano is the right player to have long term at 2nd, unless he turns in another unacceptable year…which I don’t see happening.
    As for lead off hitter we have two choices; Jeter, whom we know is a better lead off hitter then Johnny, or we can try Brett Gardner, he has put up very good numbers his whole time with the Yankees (AAA, AA, A). He is a very slow starter (as shown last year) when moved up. If he can replicate his Minor League numbers (-5%)he would be somewhere around; .281 BA/.393 OBP/.400 SLG/.795 OPS, which would be good as a lead-off guy with speed.

  66. Wave Your Hat January 1st, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    “I saw a 2nd baseman that had to cover 1st baseman’s territoty along with covering too much of the shortstop’s area by playing more straight up than playing one side or the other, according to the pitcher and situation”

    I’m not sure I buy that.

    I agree with your views on Giambi, and sort of on Jeter, although I thought Jeter had a better than usual defensive year last year.

    But I don’t think Giambi or Jeter affected Cano that much. If they did, then I guess the Yankee defensive positioning is to blame. But even a great second baseman makes few successful plays to the shortstop side of second, or in the area where your average first baseman can field the ball. It happens, but rarely.

    I just think Cano had an off year all around. It happens.

  67. CanIGetAMooseCall January 1st, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Sorry, but the fact that Damon cannot play the position he was hired for — CF — makes it very hard to say he’s been a big success as a Yankee. If he could play CF in 2009, it would be a big help to the Yankee offense by taking the bad bats of Melky and Gardner out of the lineup. Unfortunately, we all know Damon can’t play CF.

  68. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    love rab and they were the right pick to kick off guest blogger month.

    that being said, the analysis is seriously flawed. damon was hired to be a cf, hs isnt. because he isnt, we have no cf and we’ve had 2 years of melky/gardner in the lineup.

    when you estimate damon’s value consider this: he’s being paid to play a more demanding and important postion than he plays now, so he’s being overpaid for a LF. and then you have to subtract what we lose offensively by having melky/garder in the lineup vs. what we would expect for a yankees cf.

    that changes the equation tremendously. its not johnny’s fault that the yankees thought he could be a cf for 4 years, but his inability to do that hurts this team alot and detracts from his value.

  69. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    It looks as if the SF Giants are attempting to make a run at signing Manny Ramirez. That means they’ll need to move one of three outfielders in Roberts, Winn or Rowand. I’d have to guess on Rowand, because of the money. Rowand is good at running into walls, but, that’s highly overrated when it costs you more games lost than it wins because of injuries. He’s somewhat overrated defensively, especially at 8 mil in 2009 and 12 mil a year for 3 years after that.

  70. Wave Your Hat January 1st, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    No team is going to bat Jeter in front of Damon. Let’s get real.

    Quoting career stats to prove Jeter is better in the lead-off slot than Damon is silly. Jeter is career-wise a better hitter than Damon, with better on base and better SLG. It doesn’t have anything to do with the lead-off slot.

    Damon’s speed plus Jeter’s ability to hit behind the runner cries out for batting Damon first and Jeter second. That’s the way almost any team would do it. Maybe LaRussa or Davey Johnson would do it differently, but hardly anyone else.

  71. Old Ranger January 1st, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    GreenBeret7
    January 1st, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    I don’t mean to pick out you to answer these many times but…being knowledgeable has it’s price.
    I digress, I posted something like that on another blog and got hammered, good for you. A-Rod was also a victim of Jeter and to some degree Jason being in the infield. Jeter had moved back and to his left a little more in 2008…therefore, A-Rod had more ground to cover and so did Cano.I have been a supporter of Jeters for all these years but facts are facts. Stay well. And, Happy New Year!

  72. i am the walrus January 1st, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Tom, you have that wrong. The Red Sox never offered Bucholz and Ellsbury for Hanley, those were the two names asked for by the Marlins. That is a big difference between turning it down.

    If the Red Sox were willing to give up both of them, the Marlins might just pull the trigger.

    Ripping on a player who has performed well in his moved position because he was originally hired to play another one is wearing blinders. Things change all the time. Damon was hired to play Center, AND to hit leadoff. He still plays Left Field, and covers that very well. He is a good clubhouse guy, he brings much more than just fielding Center.

  73. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    walrus, so the fact that we have gardner in the lineup b/c johnny cant play the position he was hired for doesnt matter? thats ridiculous. and i stated about that you have to subtract melky/garder’s underperformance from a normal yankees cf to get the right value. i was wrong in fact you have to subtract mekly/gardners lack of production from what you would expect for a yankees LEFT fielder, making it a much more damning #.

    nothing against johnny, i’ve loved the guy since i first saw him in royals stadium as a rookie. he is a great leadoff and clubhouse guy.

    but truth is truth. his failure as a cf drastically changes his value to the team like him or not.

  74. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 1st, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    The Giants are going hard after Manny…hey if this happens could they be willing to part w/ Jonathan Sanchez for Hideki Matsui ?

  75. Bob Mac January 1st, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    While Damon is not a superstar, he is very valuable. He gets on base, can steal bases and covers sufficient ground in left. I know my aged mother has an arm about equal to his. He will have to come back or a replacement must come from outside the organization since their are none in the higher minors. Jackson, if he can succeed, must succeed as a CF since his bat does not seem to project to corner OF level. Free agent OFs for next season are slim pickings. I find Holliday not very likely considering he would require another long, expensive contract and I bet they want to avoid more of them. Damon provides an attitude of joy while playing. Too often the Yankee players seem to play joylessly, and I believe to win at this kids game requires it be fun.

  76. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    funny how the giants made a big show of thier ‘break’ from all things bonds, now they realize they cant compete so they’re gonna try to sell tickets for manny and the unit. hell, why not just bring barry back.

    another clueless franchise, and hey nobody’s counting but that team left manhattan before i was born (and im very grey) and havent won a WS since. in chicago or boston they’d call that a curse but in SF they dont even care enough to give thier curse a name.

  77. UpState January 1st, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    NYY not going to trade Matsui. Period.

  78. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Old Ranger
    January 1st, 2009 at 12:52 pm
    GreenBeret7
    January 1st, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    I don’t mean to pick out you to answer these many times but…being knowledgeable has it’s price.
    I digress, I posted something like that on another blog and got hammered, good for you. A-Rod was also a victim of Jeter and to some degree Jason being in the infield. Jeter had moved back and to his left a little more in 2008…therefore, A-Rod had more ground to cover and so did Cano.I have been a supporter of Jeters for all these years but facts are facts. Stay well. And, Happy New Year!

    ————————————————————

    I only pointed it out because of what I saw out of the 155 games+ that I watched. Cano made some defensive blunders, but, that’s the ones that people remember…the long, underhand flip to Jeter was illadvised, but, when you look at it, the ball was within two feet of Jeter and a bit low, but, certainly could have been made. still, it was a stupid thry by Cano, because he had time. He does have issues with concentration from time to time, but, normally, those times are when he’s not hitting. He has yet to seperate defensive and offensive problems. I don’t condone the lack of hustle and there were a couple of those on defense. Diving for unplayable balls, like running into walls or sliding on catches that should be made standing up (Coco Crisp), doesn’t impress me at all.

    The fact that nobody complained about Cano’s defense in 2007, but, this year, he was horrible tells me all I need to know about people’s preconceived ideas. If Cano had hit .310 with 20 homers and 95 RBIs, nobody would have said a word.

    The thing about signing Teixeira is what he’s going to do for the defense of Jeter and Rodriguez. That’s where the majority of their errors are. With Cano, he hardly ever makes a throwing error. For older baseball fans, with that arm, it’s like watching Manny Trillo of the 70′s-80s Cubs and Phillies playing 2nd base. Nobody has a better arm than Cano.

  79. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 1st, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    “NYY not going to trade Matsui. Period.”

    Wanna bet ;)

  80. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    matsui is our #5 hitter and is going to have a godzilla season. you know he will show up ready to go and he will stay healthy as a f/t DH. move him and it will leave a big hole in the lineup. keep him and we have solid, clutch protection for arod.

  81. Joey January 1st, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    I think the yankees should, trade for Rowand, for CF next year. Sending Matsui and Melky in exchange.

  82. Tom January 1st, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    “The Giants are going hard after Manny…hey if this happens could they be willing to part w/ Jonathan Sanchez for Hideki Matsui?”

    if the giants were to sign Manny and trade for Matsui they would have the worst fielding outfield ever.

  83. Brad January 1st, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    It looks as if the SF Giants are attempting to make a run at signing Manny Ramirez.

    …………………………………………….

    If so, do a deal for Randy Winn offering Melky and Juan Miranda. Short term fix until A-Jax is ready. No place for Miranda with Teixeira on board.

    http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb....._id=133160

  84. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Tom
    January 1st, 2009 at 1:19 pm
    “The Giants are going hard after Manny…hey if this happens could they be willing to part w/ Jonathan Sanchez for Hideki Matsui?”

    if the giants were to sign Manny and trade for Matsui they would have the worst fielding outfield ever.

    ————————————————————

    The only way NYY will be able to trade outfielder/DH types is after Ramirez, Dunn, Burrell, Abreu and Bradley are off the market. They only cost money, and most are being at discounted rates. Only after they are gone, will teams like the Yanks be able to move outfielders/DH types like Nady or Matsui, and, then only to the teams that lose out on the FAs.

  85. Aaron(the better Aaron) January 1st, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Brandon, why you so sure they’re going to trade Matsui, do you have inside information again??
    They aren’t going to trade him.. or anyone

  86. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Brad
    January 1st, 2009 at 1:26 pm
    It looks as if the SF Giants are attempting to make a run at signing Manny Ramirez.

    …………………………………………….

    If so, do a deal for Randy Winn offering Melky and Juan Miranda. Short term fix until A-Jax is ready. No place for Miranda with Teixeira on board.

    http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb....._id=133160

    ————————————————————

    I’d take Rowand over Winn, but some combination of Nady, Cabrera, Miranda, Kennedy, Veras or Edwar Ramirez may get a Rowand and Sanchez. Three of them with Kennedy…four without Kennedy.

  87. Tom January 1st, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    GB, very true and if the Yankees were to trade either Nady or Matsui, what would they get in return.

    Nady is a Boras guy who’s a free agent next offseason and unlikely to sign an extension with the club that trades for him.
    Matsui is 35, has two bad wheels, and is rumored to be heading back to Japan after this season.

    I would assume that the Yankees wouldn’t get back equal value in return for either of them.

  88. Patrick January 1st, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    People underrate Damon’s defense all the time. He is one of the best fielding left fielders in the league. He isn’t as good in CF anymore but he is still a very good fielding LF. Why would the Yankees want to move him to DH? If he has another season in 2009 like he did in 2008 I fully expect the Yankees to have some interest in keeping him.

    Good post RAB.

  89. Old Ranger January 1st, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    January 1st, 2009 at 12:52 pm
    No team is going to bat Jeter in front of Damon. Let’s get real.
    Damon’s speed plus Jeter’s ability to hit behind the runner cries out for batting Damon first and Jeter second. That’s the way almost any team would do it. Maybe LaRussa or Davey Johnson would do it differently, but hardly anyone else.
    ———————-
    I don’t know who wrote Jeter 1 and Johnny 2 in the order but, I want Johnny gone after this year! As for Jeters’ great hitting behind the runner in 2008…not so much, 20+ DPs kill a rally. I also want to have Brett bat in the #1 hole to see if he can cut it.
    If you are a stat guy, you should look up Bretts’ numbers after the recall. Clutch and over .300 etc. even taking a 5% discount off his AAA etc, numbers, he would still be acceptable as a lead off hitter. Of course, it’s all on a small sample.

  90. Tom January 1st, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Pardon my ignorance, but, what makes Jonathan Sanchez so special? Is it because he’s left-handed?

    Because if he were right-handed his name would be Daniel Cabrera.

  91. Ty January 1st, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Re: Matsui

    From what I gather, this may possibly be his last year playing baseball in the states. It is possible that he may finish his career in Japan. That being said, armed with a full NTC, I can’t see why he would wave it to play for some scrub team that is going nowhere when he could have one last hurrah in a new stadium wearing pinstripes. Trading him for some pitcher who may have upside (Sanchez) is foolish at best. Losing him negates the offensive gain of Tex over Swisher. Funny thing is, he is a better and more consistent hitter than anyone not named Arod and Tex.

  92. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 1st, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    “I pray we wont compound it by even thinking for a single second about retaining his services after the Boston spy’s contract is up.”

    LOL. It only took a few posts before someone referred to him as a “Boston spy”. Well done.

    :rollseyes:

    It really is too bad that we can’t designate Yankee fans for assignment.

  93. Aaron(the better Aaron) January 1st, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Tom January 1st, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Pardon my ignorance, but, what makes Jonathan Sanchez so special? Is it because he’s left-handed?

    Because if he were right-handed his name would be Daniel Cabrera.

    It’s honestly because once someone mentions someones name on here, they fall in love with them on here and talk about them for weeks.. like Matt Kemp, Sanchez, Winn, Dunn, Baldelli

  94. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Tom
    January 1st, 2009 at 1:34 pm
    GB, very true and if the Yankees were to trade either Nady or Matsui, what would they get in return.

    Nady is a Boras guy who’s a free agent next offseason and unlikely to sign an extension with the club that trades for him.
    Matsui is 35, has two bad wheels, and is rumored to be heading back to Japan after this season.

    I would assume that the Yankees wouldn’t get back equal value in return for either of them.

    ————————————————————

    Nady’s from the Bay area and he may go for a new contract extention and over rule Boras. Not saying he will, but, it could be a pre-condition to a trade. He could play 1st or a corner outfield for them. He’s certainly worth more to SF than Matsui is….especially if Ramirez signs with them.

  95. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
    January 1st, 2009 at 1:41 pm
    “I pray we wont compound it by even thinking for a single second about retaining his services after the Boston spy’s contract is up.”

    LOL. It only took a few posts before someone referred to him as a “Boston spy”. Well done.

    :rollseyes:

    It really is too bad that we can’t designate Yankee fans for assignment.

    ————————————————————

    LMAO. Half of this board would be put on irrevocable waivers.

  96. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Um, if the SF Giants actually did sign Manny, where would Matsui play in this dream scenario? And “Sabean is crazy” is not a legitimate answer.

    Happy New Year!

  97. Ty January 1st, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Re: Matsui

    One more thing. His knees had bone fragments in them from playing the bulk of his career on turf in Japan. Both knees have now been cleared of debris. There is no structural damage in either knee, nor has any such damage ever been mentioned. These claims of bad knees are way overblown as is his DL history which consisted of a broken wrist in 2006 and his knee from 2008. Beside these issues he has been the epitomy of an ironman for the Yankees who has given his all yet gotten very little recognition from fans in general.

  98. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 1st, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    LMAO. Half of this board would be put on irrevocable waivers.
    __________________________________________________________

    Hey, I like the sound of that. I think we could trade for Ray (sox fan) for a dozen of our irrevocable waivers fans.

    If we could finally convert him, we’d come out way ahead on that deal.

  99. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Unless an NL team wants a very expensive pinch hitter and a DH for 9 games, Matsui isn’t likely to go to the NL.

  100. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    BTW, MLBTV is now up on DTV ch. 213. They just ran a promo for their debut Hot Stove show at 6:00 EST. Hazel Mae looking good! Um, I mean, looking competent!

  101. ray (sox fan) January 1st, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    “Hey, I like the sound of that. I think we could trade for Ray (sox fan) for a dozen of our irrevocable waivers fans.

    If we could finally convert him, we’d come out way ahead on that deal.”

    Angel, I will confess that you all are making me chuckle and smile on this first day of 2009. I think you, GB, and Mel are ganging up on me!!

    What a victim I am. :)

  102. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
    January 1st, 2009 at 1:49 pm
    LMAO. Half of this board would be put on irrevocable waivers.
    __

    Hey, I like the sound of that. I think we could trade for Ray (sox fan) for a dozen of our irrevocable waivers fans.

    If we could finally convert him, we’d come out way ahead on that deal.

    ————————————————————

    Everybody knows that Ray (sox fan) is a closet Yankee fan. He emailed a picture of himself in his favorite Christmas gifts…an authentic Yankees cap and his dream come true….his replacement Jeter jersey (his wife took a razor blade to his other one).

    It didn’t even bother Ray that his dog, BoSox, took one look, barfed up his Christmas bone and ran away.

  103. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    Afternoon and Happy New Year’s, Ray (Yankee….errr….sox fan).

  104. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 1st, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    http://farm1.static.flickr.com.....e76927.jpg

    Well I got to step out soon but Nick your right Hazel Mae is always doing her breast…I mean best.

  105. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    Does Ray secretly want to see Papi wearing the interlocking NY?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUwJAkVbAHA

  106. Jorge (México) January 1st, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Great post, RAB. Here at home, (Yucatán, México) we love Johnny. In fact, me and my 2 kids have all our navy blue T-shirts with the beautiful interlocked NY on the chest and Damon on the back.

    I think Johnny still can give the Yankees, at least, two very good seasons. And let’s remember his positive influence in the clubhouse. The way he interacts with the fans. Just watch how he responds to the Bleacher Creatures during roll calls.

    And the last, but not the least, he’s been a terrific recruiter. He and Michelle did a great job with both CC and AJ. And surely there’ve been more.

    Because all facts listed above, I always say Johnny Damon has become a true Yankee.

  107. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Have fun Brandon, maybe while you’re out you can figure out where Matsui would play in SF if they signed Manny.

  108. Buddy Biancalana January 1st, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    I have some free pay per view coupons for Direct TV. I switched to Comcast & can’t use them. Shoot me an email if interested. Click on my name for my email addy.

  109. ray (sox fan) January 1st, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    Nick, that is a funny youtube video. I had never seen that one before!

    As for Manny, I thought that Boras was back talking to the Dodgers and I was thinking maybe Manny would end up back in LA.

    GB, if you see my dog Bosox, please tell him to come home.

    What I was really hoping to get for Christmas was an authentic Bubba Crosby jersey!

  110. secrtya January 1st, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    If the Giants are really into Manny, then this hurts. The only way we can get him is if nobody else wants him for his price, then maybe he’ll come to the NYY on a 1 year deal, prove he can remain stable an entire season and bash the red sox.

  111. secrtya January 1st, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    Jorge,

    Damon may have good stats, but when he was with the Red Sox, he was the type of guy you feared getting 10 pitch at bats every time up and also you were worried about getting a 56 game hitting streak because of the way he laced the ball.

  112. CanIGetAMooseCall January 1st, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    “I would assume that the Yankees wouldn’t get back equal value in return for either of them [Nady and Matsui].”

    The would get equal value for trading them, and that’s the problem. They aren’t worth much.

  113. Brad January 1st, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    GB :

    Not convinced of Melky after 2007, I wanted to see Aaron Rowand signed as a FA with the idea that he would be an eventual corner OF but after not seeing interest from the Yankees SF grabbed him. Now he has a full no-trade clause.

    http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=676

  114. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    afternoon and happy New Year’s, Jorge. Any info on what happened to Justin Christian and why he missed the last month of the Meican Winter League? Any new info on Jorge Alberto Vazquez? Like his defensive ability at 1st and in the outfield?

  115. Jeff NJ January 1st, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Old Ranger,

    re Jeter hitting behind Damon, you do know that Jeter led the league in grounded into double plays last year right? I say Jeter should lead off so that at least once a game he can just focus on hitting and not hitting behind a runner.

  116. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Hey Buddy, thanks for the offer. I clicked on your name but it was just a link to gmail.com. You can right to me through this yahoo account:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....otostream/

  117. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    January 1st, 2009 at 2:09 pm
    Nick, that is a funny youtube video. I had never seen that one before!

    As for Manny, I thought that Boras was back talking to the Dodgers and I was thinking maybe Manny would end up back in LA.

    GB, if you see my dog Bosox, please tell him to come home.

    What I was really hoping to get for Christmas was an authentic Bubba Crosby jersey!

    ————————————————————

    Not sure there are more than 3 Bubba Crosby jerseys in existence, Ray and none that were game worn. My dog Yankee Stud had BoSox over for dinner. YS is ill now because Bosox didn’t agree with his stomach.

  118. UpState January 1st, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Matsui will remain a Yankee.
    If he does ‘retire’ back to Japan, the NYY will capitalize on how Japan’s #1 baseball hero was treated with respect while in NY.
    Marketing does count…and Japan is an important fan base too…..and shuffling Matsui off to some schlub team for a Daniel Cabrera wannabe is not a good business move…..and geez….it’s not a good baseball move either !

  119. Buddy Biancalana January 1st, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Nick-

    I don’t have a yahoo acct to comment on your photos. Instead of clicking my name in the previous post, just run your cursor over it, the email shows up at the bottom. It is a gmail acct.

  120. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    The whole Matsui-to-SF thing is one of those odd delusions that apparently won’t die until Matsui retires (or goes to SF ;)). I agree that he’s not going anywhere, and yes I want to bet.

  121. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    Buddy, I did run the cursor over it and it just showed http://gmail.com. You don’t need to comment on my photo, just sent an email to that screen name @yahoo.com.

  122. Buddy Biancalana January 1st, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    Nick-

    Gotcha, will do!

  123. Sean Serritella January 1st, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    Johhny Damon is a free agent the Yankees bought and that to me is every thing wrong with what the Yankees do.

  124. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    How do other teams acquire free agents? Barter?

  125. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    So Sean, the Yankees are not allowed to sign any free agents? That makes a lot of sense

  126. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    If Damon has another year w an OPS+ of over 110, I’d resign him but not for more than 2 years

  127. Tom January 1st, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Wampum.

    Peter Minuit was a great negotiator.

  128. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Tom
    January 1st, 2009 at 2:43 pm
    Wampum.

    Peter Minuit was a great negotiator.

    ————————————————————

    And a great dancer, too. He did, after all have a dance named after him.

  129. Buddy Biancalana January 1st, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Nick-

    Sealed & delivered.

  130. gianthinker January 1st, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    GreenBeret7-You are trying to argue Cano’s fielding vs. Hudson’s fielding…dont ever tell me I dont know what I’m talking about when thats your stance. Thats not even worth my time. I love Robbie Cano but his fielding ability is no where close to Hudsons. Now if you want to say Hudson will not be a Yankee thats fine. I agree that the chances are pretty slim to none. I was just shocked by the article and wanted to pass it along. I’d love for Hudson to be a Yankee but I realize its a virtually impossible. I was, God forbid, having a Yankees convo on a Yankees blog. But dont for one second insult my intelligence by acting like Cano is in Hudsons league when it comes to fielding. You can easily argue offensively Cano is superior because he is but defensively, no way.

  131. BBB (don't trade Nady) January 1st, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    Great post. Damon has really been one of the more underrated players in baseball recently, especially since he has moved to left, where he is a plus defender at least to my eye, though I don’t know what defensive metrics say about him, but he makes a lot of great plays out there.

    If he stays in the general vicinity of his usual production as a Yankee this year, I definitely think the Yanks should look into re-signing him to maybe a 2 year deal. He’d have to be willing to take somewhat of a reduced role, but I think he easily has 3 yrs of good baseball left in him, and quite honestly I really like having him around. His days with the Bad Guys seem so long ago now. He’s always hit in the clutch/playoffs for the Yanks too, would hate to give that up!

    anyway, happy New Year everyone. Yanks in 2009, baby!!

  132. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Nationals Rumors: Fielder, Milledge, Hudson
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [January 1 at 2:07pm CST]
    MLB.com’s Bill Ladson has dug up more Nationals rumors…

    The Nats are interested in Prince Fielder since they covet a lefthanded power bat. Ladson writes that “it’s doubtful” that the Brewers would part with him.
    Lastings Milledge “could be trade bait before the season starts.”
    Ladson expects the Nats to go after Orlando Hudson, and suggests he could bat leadoff.
    Willie Harris will stay put in Washington.
    Nick Johnson could start the season at first for the Nats, but they’d rather avoid relying on him.
    Washington isn’t likely to make a play for a big-name starter.

    ————————————————————

    Interesting that Washington may be putting Milledge on the trading block. Could he be a bridge to Austin Jackson, and at what cost? If he goes to Milwaukee, that makes Cameron available at a cheaper cost.

  133. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 1st, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    Happy New Year everyone! :D

  134. gianthinker January 1st, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    “Matsui will remain a Yankee.
    If he does ‘retire’ back to Japan, the NYY will capitalize on how Japan’s #1 baseball hero was treated with respect while in NY.
    Marketing does count…and Japan is an important fan base too…..and shuffling Matsui off to some schlub team for a Daniel Cabrera wannabe is not a good business move…..and geez….it’s not a good baseball move either !”

    UpState-I agree. The question really is, is who are the Yankees eyeing to eventually take over Matsui’s spot as selling to the Asian market once he’s gone. I think we might have another 3-4 years of him at DH but Posada will be a major factor in that. I’m a believer the Yankees have clearly targeted Yu Darvish and they will make a huge bid for his services regardless of our pitching staff at the time. I think they believe Yu is going to be a star and he’ll be able to take over the Asian market that Matsui will eventually have to leave behind here in NY.

  135. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    Is there a way to delete that post mentioning Lastings Milledge? I wouldn’t want Brandon’s head to explode this early in the year.

  136. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    hi people!

    hope you all sober up today!:D

  137. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    gianthinker
    January 1st, 2009 at 3:07 pm
    GreenBeret7-You are trying to argue Cano’s fielding vs. Hudson’s fielding…dont ever tell me I dont know what I’m talking about when thats your stance. Thats not even worth my time. I love Robbie Cano but his fielding ability is no where close to Hudsons. Now if you want to say Hudson will not be a Yankee thats fine. I agree that the chances are pretty slim to none. I was just shocked by the article and wanted to pass it along. I’d love for Hudson to be a Yankee but I realize its a virtually impossible. I was, God forbid, having a Yankees convo on a Yankees blog. But dont for one second insult my intelligence by acting like Cano is in Hudsons league when it comes to fielding. You can easily argue offensively Cano is superior because he is but defensively, no way.

    ————————————————————

    Whatever you say. Now, please point out where I questioned your “intelligence”. All I said I didn’t know where you got the idea that Hudson could play center field or, even more, shortstop, since he’s never played a professional inning at either position. He does have about 55 games at third base, 10 years ago in the minors. Perhaps that’s what confused you.

  138. BBB (don't trade Nady) January 1st, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    To those who are down on Damon:
    While it is perfectly valid to point out that Damon was brought in to be a CF and hasn’t really done that for much of the time, bringing in Damon still proved very beneficial, as Matsui’s age and injuries have made him a nonentity in the field. If the Yankees hadn’t signed him, we would have been completely screwed in 06 when Matsui and Sheffield both went down, and might have been forced to keep Sheff for 07 rather than trading him.

    It also would have left Melky, Christian & Gardner as far more regular fixtures in the OF last year than they actually were. With more of their production and none of Damon’s, the Yanks would have had the worst OF in baseball hands down in 08. Either that or we would have signed some fool like Torii Hunter to fill the gap prior to 08…no thanks.

    So in light of these things, I really don’t see how anyone could argue that signing Damon hasn’t been beneficial to the Yanks, or that he hasn’t done enough to merit a possible new deal. Think of where we would be w/o him, then add his leadoff skills and the intangibles he brings to the clubhouse. The benefit of signing Damon has been enormous.

    And he’s hardly overrated, if anything he’s underrated as he is oft-viewed as washed up, while his numbers show he’s actually anything but. Sure Jeter has better leadoff numbers…because Jeter is a much better baseball player. It’s not exactly shocking for a 1st ballot HOF to be a better hitter than Johnny Damon. That says more for Jeter than it says against Damon. For the record, I am in the camp that would try leading Jeter off & batting Damon 2nd, but that’s on Girardi and doesnt take anything away from the fact that Damon is still a very good leadoff man.

  139. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    Brandon…per request…ignore the item about Lastings Milledge may become available if Washington decides to move any of their right handed hitting outfielders. Pretend that it doesn’t exists.

  140. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    **Warning:**

    I just woke up and still a bit drunk, so please excuse me if I don’t take anythign that doesn’t make sense.

  141. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    **type anything** …see what I mean! ugh.

  142. Buddy Biancalana January 1st, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Ed – American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Warning:

    I just woke up and still a bit drunk, so please excuse me if I don’t take anythign that doesn’t make sense.

    ================================================================

    Haha! Wait! What?

  143. jason January 1st, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Hazel Mae used to live on the same floor as me in an apt. in Boston.
    She looks better on TV.

  144. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    Buddy,

    :D I also forgot to mention I was freezing out in the cold too so yeah my brain is scamble enough. lol

  145. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    jason
    January 1st, 2009 at 3:31 pm
    Hazel Mae used to live on the same floor as me in an apt. in Boston.
    She looks better on TV.

    ————————————————————

    Wait a minute, now. You and Hazel Mae shared a floor in an apartment? Lucky guy.

  146. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Ed: I can’t tell the difference so far. ;

  147. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    ;)

  148. UpState January 1st, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    gianthinker

    “Matsui will remain a Yankee.

    The question really is, is who are the Yankees eyeing to eventually take over Matsui’s spot as selling to the Asian market once he’s gone?

    I’m a believer the Yankees have clearly targeted Yu Darvish and they will make a huge bid for his services regardless of our pitching staff at the time. I think they believe Yu is going to be a star and he’ll be able to take over the Asian market that Matsui will eventually have to leave behind here in NY.
    ==================================
    Is there a website that ‘evaluates/ranks’ the current Japanese baseball players ???

  149. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    Nick,

    lol hahas. :D

  150. jason January 1st, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    Yeah – I am totally incompentent as it took me a couple of weeks to figure out who she was. Wierd hours so we didn’t cross paths frequently.
    However, she was very impressed with my (now 3 and 6) daughters hallway golf swings.

  151. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    jason
    January 1st, 2009 at 3:37 pm
    Yeah – I am totally incompentent as it took me a couple of weeks to figure out who she was. Wierd hours so we didn’t cross paths frequently.
    However, she was very impressed with my (now 3 and 6) daughters hallway golf swings.

    ————————————————————

    I guess that I misunderstood you. I thought that the two of you “shared the floor” in the same apartment. Easy to do, huh?

  152. Um.. January 1st, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    I pretty sure Dice K and Yu D are going to be team mates now that CC and AJ and Mark are joined up nomsayin

    I loved Yu D I hope you’re right cause there is a bunch of money off the books next year but I’ve gotta good mind to think the Mets and Red Sox may be awaiting young Yu’s posting with wet lips and blank checks.

    We’ll see.

  153. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 1st, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    “I just woke up and still a bit drunk”

    —————————————

    Hahahaha. I’ve had that happen before

  154. Drive 4-5 January 1st, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    Sean Serritella
    January 1st, 2009 at 2:38 pm
    Johhny Damon is a free agent the Yankees bought and that to me is every thing wrong with what the Yankees do.

    Will the following Red Sox free agents please return their World Series rings to the front desk? It seems self righteousness is the keyword in ’09.

    Manny Ramirez, Johnny Damon,Bill Mueller,Pokey Reese, Kevin Millar,David Ortiz,Doug Mirabelli,Tim Wakefield,Matt Clement, Mike Timlin,Keith Foulke,Julian Tavarez,Julio Lugo,Alex Cora, JD Drew,Eric Hinske, Daisuke Matsuzaka anddHideki Okajima.

    The following may keep their rings as long as they donate at least 50% of the dollars they made in the contract extensions that they demanded be part of their “trades” to Boston:Pedro Martinez and Curt Schilling.

    And in the spirit of bailouts,would the Red Sox please offer back the money they made on the following players acquired as salary “dumps” by their previous team:Josh Beckett,Mike Lowell and Eric Gagne.

    I just ate me up my first Red Sox fan of ’09 and man did it taste gooooooood! LOL

  155. jason January 1st, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    GB – I don’t think my wife would like that. Only a few doors down though.

  156. profound procrastinator January 1st, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    I’ll hold off and wait until next year before making any baseball predictions.

  157. Um.. January 1st, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Upstate

    1. Yu Darvish
    2. (insert Japanese guy)
    3. (insert Japanese guy)
    etc…

    Yu is better than Dice K has better numbers better stuff and is more athletic and younger.

    I think it’s safe to say he’s going get some serious coin so it would suck to be Cashman and spend a kings ransom on Jap who never becomes more than a AAA pitcher but after all we americans have such huge balls that they have a hard time adjusting to blah blah I’m drunk again or just still? Not sure.

  158. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    jason
    January 1st, 2009 at 3:47 pm
    GB – I don’t think my wife would like that. Only a few doors down though.

    ————————————————————

    I can see your predicament, there. You’d have to be really fast.

  159. you gotta have faith (we are called the evil empire for a reason :) ) January 1st, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    personally i hope damon stays, there isnt much of a FA market next year and he is still a really good fit for the yanks.

  160. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    When is Yu available for posting?

  161. Um.. January 1st, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Doug

    Last I heard he’s going to post next year after the WS same as Dice K 4yrs ago.

  162. Russell NY January 1st, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    How about Ian Kennedy + relief prospect to Washington for Lastings Milledge?

  163. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Really? I thought he had a few more years in Japan

  164. PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    y don’t the yankees experiment by putting Cano in CF and get Hudson for 2 years to play 2B.It would make Cano more dynamic and his range would be greatly improved by the time hudson leaves

  165. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Not sure you can just put Cano in CF? That more than likely weakens the defense of the most important position on the field

  166. Um.. January 1st, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    I really wish some people would stop acting like Ian Kennedy can get you anything more than an aging contract dump.

    For him selling low vs high almost doesn’t matter lol.

    Point is though until he can atleast look like a promising 4 or 5 in the NL he’s worthless and right now he’s still a bit far from proven from being such.

    Besides Millege is a young talented hip hop artist you can’t just throw a team IPK for that kinda future stalwart.

  167. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Was thinking the same thing. All rumors begin and end with Kennedy, who has essentially no trade value right now

  168. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    “Not sure you can just put Cano in CF?”

    hmm, what?

  169. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    Doug
    January 1st, 2009 at 4:06 pm
    Was thinking the same thing. All rumors begin and end with Kennedy, who has essentially no trade value right now

    ————————————————————

    I would think that a player like Milledge would need to be included in a trade for a player like Fielder.

  170. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    I like Hudson, but you can’t just assume that Cano can play CF is all I’m saying

  171. Garym(Yanks and More) January 1st, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Hey good post RAB,I think if Damon goes out and has a big year they will resign him, but it also depends on the development of Melky and Gardner if they are still around and make progress, it is a good thought, that they may have to resign him. Keep up the good work, cant wait to see the next guest blogger.

  172. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    “I like Hudson, but you can’t just assume that Cano can play CF is all I’m saying”

    who said Cano is playing CF if Hudson is signed? its vice versa. Hudson played a total of 22 minor league games in the OF.

  173. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    PaulBall did…was responding to him. And I’m not sure I like Hudson playing CF much better. Yes, he played a few games there, but that was 10 years ago.

  174. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    Ed – American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!!
    January 1st, 2009 at 4:11 pm
    “I like Hudson, but you can’t just assume that Cano can play CF is all I’m saying”

    who said Cano is playing CF if Hudson is signed? its vice versa. Hudson played a total of 22 minor league games in the OF.

    ————————————————————

    Hudson has never played anything but 2nd base, except for 57 games at 3rd base, early in his minor league career.

    http://minors.baseball-referen.....i?pid=6893

  175. you gotta have faith (we are called the evil empire for a reason :) ) January 1st, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    cano in CF would be worse than damon in CF, cano would be a major downgrade in defense from melky/gardner, soo that would be a negative Sergeant

  176. Old Ranger January 1st, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Jeff NJ
    January 1st, 2009 at 2:16 pm
    Old Ranger,

    re Jeter hitting behind Damon, you do know that Jeter led the league in grounded into double plays last year right? I say Jeter should lead off so that at least once a game he can just focus on hitting and not hitting behind a runner.
    ———————–
    That was the idea behind my post, I pointed out he hit into 20+ DP. I also said to just let Johnny go and if Brett can’t cut it as a lead-off man (which his stats say he can), we have Jeter leading off. Sorry if there was a failure to communicate.

  177. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    “Hudson has never played anything but 2nd base, except for 57 games at 3rd base, early in his minor league career.”

    maybe we can sign hudson to play 3B and move ARod to CF ;-)

  178. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    GB,

    Yes he did played in the OF before.

    http://thebaseballcube.com/Fie.....dson.shtml

  179. PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    all i’m saying is experiment with him in summer league and see if he can play CF and go from there

  180. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    what summer league? thought you were talking about this upcoming 2009 season

  181. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    “all i’m saying is experiment with him in summer league and see if he can play CF and go from there”

    I’m still a bit drunk now, but I think he means spring training?!?!?!?

  182. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    Yankees’ summer league starts in late March ;)

  183. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    OOOppps. Sorry, Ed. I should never doubt a drunk, hung over Yankee fan.

    http://www.thebaseballcube.com.....dson.shtml

  184. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    I’m still a bit drunk now, but I think he means spring training?!?!?!?

    lol

  185. PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    “what summer league? thought you were talking about this upcoming 2009 season”

    no that would be messed up putting him in a position he’s never played in a limited amount of time.I believe he has good enough speed to play in CF.Last year he didn’t have the steal numbers but that’s cause he didn’t attempt to steal bases.

  186. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    “Yankees’ summer league starts in late March ”

    its still spring training. lol

  187. PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    srry i meant winter ball

  188. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    “he didn’t have the steal numbers but that’s cause he didn’t attempt to steal bases.”

    not entirely true. didn’t have SBs because didn’t attempt, BECAUSE he’s not fast enough

  189. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    winter ball is over

  190. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    GB,

    lol my brain is still sorta working right now. hahas

  191. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    ok im off to go get some breakfast. YES its breakfast for me at this hour, 430pm. lol :D bye byeee.

  192. PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    “not entirely true. didn’t have SBs because didn’t attempt, BECAUSE he’s not fast enough”

    on the contrary my friend he doesn’t have the instincts. Abreu only stole bases last year cause of his instincts and decent speed.

  193. PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    he was quick in the field though

  194. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    Ed – American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!!
    January 1st, 2009 at 4:27 pm
    GB,

    lol my brain is still sorta working right now. hahas

    ————————————————————

    LMAO. I may be sorry about this, but, I’ll take your word on that, Ed.

  195. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    cano has average speed at best

  196. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    but i do agree with you that stealing bases isn’t ALL about speed.

  197. PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    at least we agree on something

  198. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    personally i’m more concerned about jeter’s defense at SS than anything else. especially as it concerns resigning him in 2 years

  199. PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    the only serious issue i’m worrying about is if the yankees don’t resign jeter what team would he go to?

  200. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    If you’ve never seen Larson’s perfect game, it’s a must see. Great pitching matchup by two pitchers that weren’t great. Two defensive plays…one against Jackie Robinson and one against Gil Hodges into the left center gap by Mantle. For those that never saw Mantle, you’ll see perhaps the fastest man to ever play baseball. Game starts at 7:00 PM EST.

  201. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    well, if that team is signing him to play short, don’t really care

  202. gianthinker January 1st, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    GreenBeret7-First of all the article I posted suggested he could play CF. Second, a few teams this off-season (and I cant remember who so dont ask) were talking about Hudson as a SS. As far as 2B goes, offensively Hudson cant touch Cano but defnesively Cano cant touch Hudson.

  203. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    “For those that never saw Mantle, you’ll see perhaps the fastest man to ever play baseball.”

    so i’ve read. such a shame he was so often injured

  204. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Jeter isn’t going anywhere. He’s a rare one team player.

  205. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    “defnesively Cano cant touch Hudson.”

    yes, but hudson’s D as 2B is no longer elite

  206. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    “Jeter isn’t going anywhere. He’s a rare one team player.”

    if he insists on playing short, he better go

  207. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Well, I’m glad Cano and Hudson won’t be touching each other, this being a family blog.

    MLBN debut in about 75 minutes, too bad it’s on opposite the Rose Bowl.

  208. PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    i have faith in Cano cause he has 5 major things going his way next year 1) He improved his batting stance 2)He got a new personal trainer/batting coach 3)he saw what could happen last year if couldn’t step up his game with the whole melky cabrera thing 4)he has a better defensive first baseman who has much better range for a wide throw and doesn’t leave cano with as much room to field 5) he’s been moved up in the order so he can feel more comfortable and be more productive

  209. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    I like Cano as well, he just has to get his head out of his a.s.s. in the field. also, taking a few more pitches at the plate wouldn’t hurt either

  210. Old Ranger January 1st, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    PaulBall
    January 1st, 2009 at 4:28 pm
    “not entirely true. didn’t have SBs because didn’t attempt, BECAUSE he’s not fast enough”

    on the contrary my friend he doesn’t have the instincts. Abreu only stole bases last year cause of his instincts and decent speed.
    ———————————–
    You’ve hit it on the head, baseball is a game that really great athletes can be great stars (Bernie Williams/Mickey Mantle), also guys with great instincts (less talent) can become great also…see A-Rod and Jeter, well maybe a bad example, they both have talent and instincts. Let’s try Brett Gardner, almost no power but, great instincts and speed to help with the talent he does have, or try Roger Maris one of the better defensive RF in baseball at the time.
    My point being, does Cano or Hudson have the instincts or speed to play the OF…as of right now we don’t know (except neither one has much speed), so moving one of them is superfluous.

  211. PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    good point

  212. PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    i’m just trying to mix it up a bit and see if some how wat happened with alfonso soriano when he switched from 2B to LF might have that type of impact

  213. Um.. January 1st, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Did Cano get a balls vs. strikes coach?

    I love him but the kid has to learn not hack at balls that Vlad Guerro wouldn’t swing at.

    Seriously if Vlad Guerro thinks you swung at a bad pitch you need help or bifocals or both

  214. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    January 1st, 2009 at 4:42 pm
    “For those that never saw Mantle, you’ll see perhaps the fastest man to ever play baseball.”

    so i’ve read. such a shame he was so often injured

    ————————————————————

    Before the first knee injury, in 1951, he was clocked after swinging the bat from the left side, 3.1 seconds to first. After that injury, even as late as 1957, he was 3.4. Cobb and williams were interviewed in 1960 together and they both agreed, except for his stubbornness, Mantle was the most gifted, all around player they ever saw. I was lucky to be able to see a lot of his games on TV and over 100 in person over the years. The one that comes to mind, most is a game on September 10, 1960, in Detroit. Mamtle had been held to a single until the 7th inning. He came up with 2 runners on base, left handed and hit a screamer over the 2nd baseman’s head and he started to jump, but never had a chance. The ball goes to center field (right center) and Kaline takes two steps towards right center (playing center) and stopped. The ball kept climbing and cleared the roof and the street and into a lumber yard. They measured it at 643 feet. The landing spot was verified by 5 workers where it short hopped a shed.

    As far as speed goes, if the Yanks had let him run, he could have stolen 35-40 bases a year. They almost never caught him and infielders wouldn’t hang on the bases because he slid so hard…short and straight into the bags. He had everything going for him except health.

  215. PreteFunkEra January 1st, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Hot Stove on MLB network starts at 6pm EST.

  216. Um.. January 1st, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    The A-Rod in center field thing was priceless ;-)

    I think Alex is the best player in baseball but the way he looks on fly balls at third….Yeah not sure he’d be a great fit in center nomsayin.

  217. Old Ranger January 1st, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    GreenBeret7
    January 1st, 2009 at 4:40 pm
    If you’ve never seen Larson’s perfect game, it’s a must see. Great pitching matchup by two pitchers that weren’t great. Two defensive plays…one against Jackie Robinson and one against Gil Hodges into the left center gap by Mantle. For those that never saw Mantle, you’ll see perhaps the fastest man to ever play baseball. Game starts at 7:00 PM EST.
    ———————————-
    Unlike some other people, I will not say I was there for that game. I was watching it on TV.
    You are right about the pitchers, (Larson had what 17 wins as tops, only once). And Mickey the greatest player I ever saw play. He had everything, except baseball instincts. Ted W. and Joe D. were better pure hitters but, the Mick had everything…talk about a 5 tool player.

  218. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    GreenBeret,

    Thanks for that great story. Recent comparable to Mantle (and please don’t get insulted) is Bo Jackson. Tremendous, tremendous athlete. Hip injury killed him.

  219. Doug January 1st, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Gotta run. 1st timer on here. hope to see you guys again

  220. Tom January 1st, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    My favorite Mantle quote of alltime was when he was asked if he was impressed about Jose Canseco’s “40/40″ season.

    His responce was “If I had known it would be such a big deal, I would have done it five or six times.”

  221. Jbera January 1st, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    My favorite Mantle quote of alltime was when he was asked if he was impressed about Jose Canseco’s “40/40” season.

    His responce was “If I had known it would be such a big deal, I would have done it five or six times.”
    ==========================================================

    Does that make him a “lazy” player? Just wondering if he could have done it 5 or six times, why didn’t he? Was he unmotivated as a baseball player?

  222. 7 UP January 1st, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    Damon may be the only guy on the team (assuming Gardner doesn’t start) that steals 20 bases. He is the one basestealer on an already slow team.

    He is also one of the top leadoff hitters in the game. If he accepts a 2 yr deal or so, it’s a no brainer

  223. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    Doug
    January 1st, 2009 at 5:04 pm
    GreenBeret,

    Thanks for that great story. Recent comparable to Mantle (and please don’t get insulted) is Bo Jackson. Tremendous, tremendous athlete. Hip injury killed him.

    ————————————————————

    Jackson was a great talent, but, not sure he was ever going to hit .300. His strikezone knowledge was terrible, but, yeah, his skill level was close. The other two players that I thought was going to be close to Mantle was Kirk Gibson and Rick Reichardt. Reichardt was the last of the big time college free agents in ’64, just before the amateur draft started. Signed with the Angels out of the U Of Wisconsin for $175,000. He had everything. In 1965, he got kicked in the side and had to have a kidney removed. He came back and was pretty good, but, never what he should have been.

  224. A-List January 1st, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    Outside of A-Rod and Teix, Damon may be our best player. Foolish to get rid of him.

  225. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    Jbera
    January 1st, 2009 at 5:13 pm
    My favorite Mantle quote of alltime was when he was asked if he was impressed about Jose Canseco’s “40/40” season.

    His responce was “If I had known it would be such a big deal, I would have done it five or six times.”
    ======================================================

    Does that make him a “lazy” player? Just wondering if he could have done it 5 or six times, why didn’t he? Was he unmotivated as a baseball player?

    ————————————————————

    Hardly lazy. NYY didn’t want him stealing bases, #1 because those teams didn’t need to steal and #2, they didn’t want him getting hurt.

  226. BBB (don't trade Nady) January 1st, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Regarding all this talk about Hudson, first of all I really hope the stuff about moving either him or Cano to 2b was a joke. Secondly, I wouldn’t even want Hudson to become the Yankees’ everyday 2b and trade Cano (as has been oft discussed) even if Cano’s value wasn’t as low as it is now. Hudson is a bit overrated imo, he is more reputation and name than actual skills he brings to the table, and he’s already 30 and is very injury prone. I don’t want to sign this guy for the downward spiral of his career.

    However, I did have a crazy idea the other day about how the Yanks could add infield depth. What about trading for the Phillies’ IF prospect Jason Donald? He’s expendable there b/c of Utley and Rollins, he’s a 24 y/o who hit .307/.391/.497 for AA Reading last year and he plays 2b, SS and 3b. Right now he is a 3b in the minors but is said to lack the power to play 3b in the majors.

    I think he looks like someone who could be an excellent fit b/c he’s young and plays all the positions at which we have aging stars (Jeter, A-Rod) and the one at which we have an underperforming youngster who many would like to see traded. I’m not in favor of trading Cano at his current value, but Donald could allow us to do so when his value goes up some. Or he could end up Jeter’s successor at SS, or worse comes to worst, a very good util IF.

    The Yanks may not even have to trade Nady (even tho the Phils could really use him) to get it done either, they have plenty of pitching prospects, just let the Phils choose within reason/fair value.

    thoughts, anyone? I know some of you out there may be more familiar with Donald’s MiLB play than me, maybe you can shed some light on whether this could work?

  227. BBB (don't trade Nady) January 1st, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    “Regarding all this talk about Hudson, first of all I really hope the stuff about moving either him or Cano to 2b* was a joke”

    ***moving him or Cano to CF, rather.

  228. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Old Ranger
    January 1st, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    Unlike some other people, I will not say I was there for that game. I was watching it on TV.
    You are right about the pitchers, (Larson had what 17 wins as tops, only once). And Mickey the greatest player I ever saw play. He had everything, except baseball instincts. Ted W. and Joe D. were better pure hitters but, the Mick had everything…talk about a 5 tool player.

    ————————————————————

    The only part of mantle’s game that wasn’t inttinctive was on defense. He was a good outfielder with amazing speed and an absolute cannon….and accurate. He made mistakes on fly balls, much like Bernie williams, but, he was so fast that he could outrun his mistakes. He was still an infielder at heart. There were better pure center fielders in the AL at that time, like Al Kaline, Jim Rivera, Jim Landis and Jimmy Piersall, but, other than Kaline, none could throw like Mantle. The only two in the NL were Mays and Vada Pinson. Pinson was a great player and should have been in the HOF.

  229. Mike NYY January 1st, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    I like the idea of trading for a guy like Donald (or the Braves Mitre) but prospect for prospect trades are rare and I don’t see anything like that happening. maybe as a package for Nady or Damon but they need Damon and their are better matches for Nady.

  230. mdot January 1st, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    We can always move arod to SS and find a 3rd baseman.

  231. Mike NYY January 1st, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    I doubt A-Rod can still play short well enough to be worth the PR disaster it would be.

  232. PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    A-Rod adjusted his body to be a 3rd baseman i doubt him becoming a shortstop again

  233. Mike NYY January 1st, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Besides, then we need a new third baseman and have no position for Jeter. CF would have been good for him a few years ago but he`s getting older.

    A few years ago this would have been a great move but the time is past.

  234. Old Ranger January 1st, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    GreenBeret7
    January 1st, 2009 at 5:18 pm
    Jbera
    January 1st, 2009 at 5:13 pm
    My favorite Mantle quote of alltime was when he was asked if he was impressed about Jose Canseco’s “40/40” season.

    His responce was “If I had known it would be such a big deal, I would have done it five or six times.”
    ———————————-
    Love your answer, the right one by the way. Some guys sitting with me thought Mickeys’ answer was bragadocious…that was the way he was, ask and he will tell it like it was. He also, said; If he new he would live that long he would have taken better care himself (words to that effect). I think we both know what he was talking about.
    I thought I was the only one that had seen The Mick play in his prime. You must be about 65+, I’m at big 70 mark now. Some have never seen guys like Ted W., Joe D., Jackie R., Whitey Ford, and Yogi…oh yeah, Elston Howard. Remember him going for .400 BA? Years ago, hell decades ago.

  235. Mike NYY January 1st, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    2010 is when they need to start moving Jeter, he can DH and play some corner outfield with Nady/Damon/Matsui gone and slowly move into that role.

  236. mdot January 1st, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    We could always move arod back to SS.

  237. mdot January 1st, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Sorry for the repost.
    was posting from my phone, didn’t realize it went thorough.

  238. Mike NYY January 1st, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    np, a little confusing though :)

  239. Phil Parcells January 1st, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    A-Rod adjusted his body to be a 3rd baseman i doubt him becoming a shortstop again
    __________________________________________________

    Madonna could get him into shape — she reinvents herself ever 5 minutes.

  240. Mike NYY January 1st, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    And worse every time…..

  241. PaulBall January 1st, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    lol

  242. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    freeeeee baseball tv!!!!!

  243. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    *OT – one of RI’s political greats has died*

    Claiborne deB Pell was one of the rare and dying breed of politicians in our country who came from old money, had the highest integrity, and worked for the good of the common person. Anyone who has received a Pell grant did so because of Pell’s dedication to education and making education available to all.

    I am going to link to an article about Pell. Despite having scads of money and a very stately manner, he was known for driving a banged-up Mustang in Washington and jogging in basically tattered clothing. He was quirky, but an amazingly dedicated American statesman. I am honored to be from the state that gave Claiborne Pell to the Senate and to the American people.

    http://www.projo.com/news/cont.....45a5c.html

    (If you can’t link to the article but are interested in reading it – the projo requires registration – just say so and I will post the entire article.)

    America has lost one of its best. Rest in peace, Claiborne deB Pell.

  244. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    “STUDIO 3 – NAMED AFTER BABE RUTH”

    I love it.

    I also love Harold Reynolds.

    Hazel Mae – ugh.

  245. Mike NYY January 1st, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Randy Winn for centerfield if the Giants can sign Manny?

  246. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    sooo exciting…free baseball tv!!!

    who cares about my hung over? freee tv!! LOL

  247. totally super awesome January 1st, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Januz
    January 1st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
    I think there is to much math and numbers used in baseball. Stuff like win shares should be a tool used to evaluate players, but it should not be the end all to rate players. I think of a Scott Brosius who had a .314 World Series batting average, compared to a .257 regular season average. What you do in October cannot be compared to June against the Royals in the third inning. Here is another point, the 2008 Elias rankings: There are not many people who are more anti-ARod than me, but how MATT CAPPS! (A pitcher with a 15-11 career record) , Brad Penny and Robbie Cano can be ranked by Elias over him is beyond reason (In fact, he did not qualify for the top 50 after winning the MVP). The player who was as the ranked as the BEST in baseball is David Ortiz (Getting a PERFECT score of 100). When I see that kind of stupidity, I cannot comprehend why their numbers are cited to rank players.

    Those kind of examples are why I do not take all the number crunchers seriously.

    ————————————————————

    anyone who uses “pitcher wins & loses” as a barometer of player worth needs to get their heads out of their ass.

    check out this situation:
    through 7IP:

    pitcher a: gives up 6 hits, walks 2, strikes out 8, gives up 1 run, his offense scores 1 run, his defense has 3 errors.

    pitcher b: gives up 10 hits, strikes out 2, walks 7, gives up 1 run (solo shot), his offence scores 2, his defence commits zero errors.

    pitcher b would get the win, DESPITE the much poorer performance. pitcher a would get the loss, DEPSITE outpitching pitcher b, because his OFFENSE couldn’t score runs, and his DEFENSE gave up crucial errors.

    WINS & LOSSES should never be the first thing you look at when ranking a pitcher. They shouldn’t even be in the top 15 or 20. There are too many variables in play. You can essentially have a pitcher strike out 26, but give up a solo shot, his offense hits into 8 DP, the opposing pitcher who pitched 5 innings before getting yanked after walking 15 & striking out zero, gets the win? huh?

  248. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    Old Ranger
    January 1st, 2009 at 5:43 pm
    GreenBeret7
    January 1st, 2009 at 5:18 pm
    Jbera
    January 1st, 2009 at 5:13 pm
    My favorite Mantle quote of alltime was when he was asked if he was impressed about Jose Canseco’s “40/40” season.

    His responce was “If I had known it would be such a big deal, I would have done it five or six times.”—————————————————Love your answer, the right one by the way. Some guys sitting with me thought Mickeys’ answer was bragadocious…that was the way he was, ask and he will tell it like it was. He also, said; If he new he would live that long he would have taken better care himself (words to that effect). I think we both know what he was talking about.
    I thought I was the only one that had seen The Mick play in his prime. You must be about 65+, I’m at big 70 mark now. Some have never seen guys like Ted W., Joe D., Jackie R., Whitey Ford, and Yogi…oh yeah, Elston Howard. Remember him going for .400 BA? Years ago, hell decades ago.

    ————————————————————

    I’m closing in on 60 years old, but, I saw a lot of games growing up in Michigan….Detroit, Cleveland and Chicago. Many more on TV with Ol’ Diz and PeeWee, listening to the “Wabash Cannonball” Faustaff beer commercials and when there was time, a little baseball. Chicago with LLoyd Pettit, Vince Lloyd and jack Brickhouse on WGN and Ernie Harwell and George Kell in Detroit. On clear nights I could even listen to Red and Mel. That was baseball growing up.

    And, Ellie Howard was maybe the most under rated playwer in baseball, back then. He played a very good left field and first base. As a catcher, few id any were better. Other than Mantle, I don’t think anybody hit the ball harder than Ellie. A true gentleman and one Hell of a player.

  249. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    When was the last time a runner stole home???? It never seems to happen anymore.

  250. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    “When was the last time a runner stole home???? It never seems to happen anymore.”

    Alex Rios stole home against the Yanks 2 years ago.

    wait, I think it was either the Rays or the Jays. Pretty sure it was the Jays.

    De ja vu?

  251. Phil Parcells January 1st, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Aaron Hill stole home off Andy Pettitte in 2006.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58xVbRGDRDg

  252. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    I seem to remember two suicide squeeze plays against us, within a short period of time, by the same team. I thought Andy was on the mound. Cleveland maybe?

  253. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    Ed -

    Upton and Crawford both have done it. And Aaron Hill of the Jays against the Yankees.

    Grady Sizemore (05) and Orlando Cabrera (06) did it, too.

  254. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    Awwww. Bonds had hip surgery potentially delaying his return. And there were just SO many teams clamoring for him…

    :lol:

  255. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Trisha

    Andy was on the mound when Aaron Hill stole home against him. It was in ’07.

    From Wikipedia:

    “Here are the last five straight steals of home in reverse chronological order (as of October 24, 2007):
    September 17,2007 – In the third innin against the Angels, B.J. Upton of the Rays had a straight steal of home against Kelvim Escobar.
    May 29, 2007- Aaron Hill, second baseman, Toronto Blue Jays
    Blue Jays third base coach, Brian Butterfield, had clued the players in before the game that the situation might arise. It did. With the score tied 1-1, and 2 outs in the bottom of the seventh inning, the Blue Jays had runners on first and third against the Yankees. With a 1-1 count on batter Royce Clayton, lefty pitcher Andy Pettite focused intently on Jason Phillips, the Blue Jays runner at first base. Butterfield gave the go signal, and Aaron Hill took off from third base, taking advantage of the fact that Pettite was not watching him at all. Catcher Jorge Posada had to shout to Pettite to throw the ball. The hurried pitch came in high, and Hill slid in safely under the tag.
    July 5, 2006 – Carl Crawford of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays stole second, third and home (straight steal in 4th inning) in a game against the Red Sox, making him the last player to complete the “stolen base cycle” in a game.
    July 2, 2006 – Angels’ shortstop Orlando Cabrera stole home against Chad Billingsley of the Dodgers. Surprised, Billingsley stopped his motion, stepped off the mound, and Cabrera slid in uncontested. Billingsley was called for a balk. However, since the advancing baserunner caused the balk, the stolen base superceded the balk and was correctly awarded to Cabrera.
    August 26, 2005 – Grady Sizemore of the Cleveland Indians, vs. Toronto Blue Jays. “

  256. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    WHO did Heyman say is the best team in baseball if they sign Manny?????

    He is such a major-league D-bag (sorry for the vulgarity.)

  257. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    Doreen, so it was Hill. lol thanks anywho.

  258. BBB (don't trade Nady) January 1st, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    Ed, I thought it was Aaron Hill that stole home against the Yanks? I remember that game, it was in the midst of a horrific losing streak early in, I believe, 2007. He stole it off Andy, and in the same inning somebody else also stole 3rd iirc. Definitely not Andy’s or the Yanks’ finest hour.

  259. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Stealing home happens a few times a year Straight steals are pretty rare, though, Rios, Aaron Hill and Mike Sweeney have had straight steals against NYY in the last few years.

    The best that I can remember was Rod Carew. He had 7 in one year and about 17 or so in his career. Cobb stole home 50 times.

    http://findarticles.com/p/arti.....i_n6154585

    By the way, the record for stealing home the most times in the WS is 2, by Yankee left fielder Bob Meusel.

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_.....rld_Series

  260. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Doreen, I KNEW there was a reason I didn’t want Andy back…

    ;)

  261. BBB (don't trade Nady) January 1st, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    oh, nevermind, I was a bit slow on that Rios/Hill stealing home thing. I’d have been thrown out on my sb attempt, lol.

  262. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    ugh…the Joba debate! :(

  263. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    “He stole it off Andy, and in the same inning somebody else also stole 3rd iirc.”

    BBB – maybe that’s what I was thinking of.

    Love listening to the Yankee chat on MLBtv!

  264. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    why must the network mention the Joba debate?

  265. BBB (don't trade Nady) January 1st, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Trisha – Andy also matched Roy Halladay pitch for pitch later that year in a huge July win that culminated in a Cano walk-off single. One of my favorite games of that whole season. I mean, if we’re going to reminisce about Andy’s pitching performances vs TOR, I just thought I’d throw that one out there….

    also Andy worked hard this past offseason at not letting runners steal 3rd off him and seemed to have improved greatly in that dept. this past year. He is a professional veteran pitcher and he knows how to make adjustments. Yanks need to re-sign him imo.

  266. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Everybody but the Yankees want to see Joba in the pen. Sounds like a good reason to keep him in the rotation to me. :)

  267. Fran January 1st, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Trisha,

    Happy New Year!. Heyman said that the Angels would be the best team if they signed Manny.

    The new baseball channel is 45 minutes and they are alaready debating Joba to the bullpen.

  268. Trevor January 1st, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    Oh shut up Reynolds. “Joba doesn’t throw enough strikes”?? What was he watching? He throws more then enough strikes.
    I like what Leiter said. Should we take every young hard throwing 4 pitch pitcher that comes up and put him in the pen? Why no debate on whether David Price should be a starter? That’s more of a legit argument. Price doesn’t have 4 pitches. He barely has 3.
    Anyway by mid-season Melancon could be the eighth inning guy.

  269. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Mo looks good with #21. :D LOL

  270. Donnie Baseball 23 January 1st, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    I can see why they brought up the Joba debate. In a way it make since Joba is not a pitcher who is going to throw 7 to 8 innings most of the time. Hes a 6 inning pitcher right now. He throws alot of pitches and if Hughes is the real deal and one or more of the other young pitchers pan out why not put Joba in the pen and make him MO’s replacement. After MO leaves its going to be hard to replace him and the Fans wont want just any closer after having MO. So why not put a fan favorite in that role. makes sense to me.

  271. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Stealing home happens a few times a year Straight steals are pretty rare, though, Rios, Aaron Hill and Mike Sweeney have had straight steals against NYY in the last few years.

    The best that I can remember was Rod Carew. He had 7 in one year and about 17 or so in his career. Cobb stole home 50 times.

    http://findarticles.com/p/arti.....i_n6154585

  272. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    By the way, the record for stealing home the most times in the WS is 2, by Yankee left fielder Bob Meusel.

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_.....rld_Series

  273. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    Gb,

    I have a question. Back in the 70s when the Yanks were playing at Shea. How were the games scheduled between the Yanks and Mets? Was it a day/night doubleheader?

  274. jennifer January 1st, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    Reminder Don Larsens perfect game on mlv tv. They have the original footage of the game including commercials.

  275. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Ed – American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!!
    January 1st, 2009 at 6:58 pm
    Gb,

    I have a question. Back in the 70s when the Yanks were playing at Shea. How were the games scheduled between the Yanks and Mets? Was it a day/night doubleheader?

    ————————————————————

    I don’t think they were ever in town at the same time, Ed. Not sure, though.

  276. Tom January 1st, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    trisha, Sen. Pell was a character straight out of a F. Scott Fitzgerald novel, one of those crazy eccentric blue-bloods who have a sense of social responsibility. Without “Pell Grants” I would have had to join the French Foreign Legion, or the Circus, out of high school.

  277. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    Ed -
    Back in the 70′s they held one game – the Mayor’s Trophy Game. I believe they alternated stadiums each year (?).

    I believe it was a charity game benefitting sandlot baseball in NYC.

  278. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    Fran – Happy New Year!!! And what a way to start, with the maiden voyage of MLB TV devoting most of its time to the Yankees, and then showcasing Don Larsen as its first special!!!!

    Don’t we ever thank the good Lord for making us Yankee fans!

    Wowee.

    :)

  279. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    GB,

    oh okay. thanks though.

  280. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    Dorean,

    i see. that’s awesome!! :D thanks

  281. jennifer January 1st, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    I thank the Lord for making me a Yankee fan, and at the same time question why he made me a Jet fan.

  282. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    Ed -

    You’re very welcome.

  283. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 1st, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    The MLB analysts explained (sort of) why there are so few steals of home in today’s baseball. Back in the “Olden Days,” pitchers often used a full windup, even with a man on third. This gave the runner on third a head start (or a chance at a balk).

    Today, pitchers never use the full windup with a man on third. Indeed, relief pitchers pitch exclusively from the stretch, even with the bases empty.

    In the “Olden Days,” starters finished games, relievers were afterthoughts, and everyone worked from a full windup unless it was illegal (man on first, or men on first and second).

    Hence, no steals of home. (Double steals don’t count.)

  284. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Ed – American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!!
    January 1st, 2009 at 7:04 pm
    GB,

    oh okay. thanks though.

    ————————————————————

    If you want to waste about three hours, you can match up the dates in ’74 and ’75 and see if they played on the same day in NY. Just go to http://www.baseball-reference.com and check the schedules.

  285. yankeefan91 (sign manny asap hes getting cheaper lol) January 1st, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    shyt i dont have mlb network but i have io and it says to call what the hell

  286. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    Tom, I thank you so much for taking the time to comment on Claiborne Pell. I wish more people knew about him or about his commitment to public service and the great things he did for our country. In a society where our memories are more atuned to names like Richard Dailey, Monica Lewinski, and Client Number 9, it makes me feel so happy and proud that one of the greatest statesmen this country has known hailed from Rhode Island. (It helps to give a little balance to the other side of RI, where the east coast mafia was run from Federal Hill and the Chief Justice of our Supreme Court resigned in disgrace when he was caught harboring a criminal…) :(

  287. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    Brian (Red Sox Fan)
    January 1st, 2009 at 7:07 pm
    The MLB analysts explained (sort of) why there are so few steals of home in today’s baseball. Back in the “Olden Days,” pitchers often used a full windup, even with a man on third. This gave the runner on third a head start (or a chance at a balk).

    Today, pitchers never use the full windup with a man on third. Indeed, relief pitchers pitch exclusively from the stretch, even with the bases empty.

    In the “Olden Days,” starters finished games, relievers were afterthoughts, and everyone worked from a full windup unless it was illegal (man on first, or men on first and second).

    Hence, no steals of home. (Double steals don’t count.)

    ————————————————————

    Yeah, I think that Paul Byrd is the only pitcher around that uses a single and double pump windup. Haven’t seen that in years. The great windups were Warren Spahn and Juan Marichal.

  288. Fran January 1st, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Jennifer – lol. Me too, but after all the Jets did win a Super Bowl 40 years ago!

  289. Betsy January 1st, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    LOL Heyman…

    I taped the Hot Stove show – how was it? The Joba thing sounds dumb, but overall……did they say the Yankees were terrible for baseball? What did they think about their moves this off-season…Thanks!

  290. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Brian (Red Sox fan)

    I didn’t hear that. I tuned into the show midway through the “re-enactment.” it makes sense, though.

    Ed -

    Those Mayor’s Trophy games originated even before the Mets existed – the Yankees played the Giants or the Dodgers before they left for Cali – and the games did benefit sandlot baseball. They re-started the tradition in 1963 against the Mets and continued until 1983. Apparently the players hated the game and just wanted the day off.

    This is great – the Don Larsen game – love the old commercials!

  291. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    These old commercials are so bad and corny, they’re great.

  292. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    Split screen!

  293. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    ” thank the Lord for making me a Yankee fan, and at the same time question why he made me a Jet fan.”

    jen, you know the saying “the Lord works in mysterious ways.” Maybe you can feel a little better if you think of it this way. It was the Jets who exposed Belicheat and let the world know about the Patricheats. Also, it was the Jets who caused the Patriots to lose a playoff spot this year! (I hope that helps a little.) And even though it wasn’t in your time, the Jets were the belle of the ball for a while there, right? I’m sure it will happen again. So you root for a team that has made a difference – and done so honestly!

    :D

  294. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    Doreen
    January 1st, 2009 at 7:16 pm
    Split screen!

    ————————————————————

    That was top of the line, cutting edge technology in 1956.

  295. Fran January 1st, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    They sure got a lot for $1 back then. The razor, blades and a baseball encyclopedia of the players in the World Series.

  296. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    I’m taping the game! What a cool game to have as part of my library.

  297. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    Good thing Michael the Mouth Kay wasn’t around then. He would have already cursed the no hitter! (Hey won’t it be interesting to see if the broadcasters mention the perfect game, how they do it, and how soon they do it…)

  298. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    Boy, it doesn’t look at all like Yankee Stadium. Now I understand why some of the old timers say that when the stadium was refurbished/renovated in the 70′s it stopped being their stadium.

  299. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    Also, I guess the taping process distorts the actual size. The infield looks the size of a softball field.

  300. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 1st, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    jennifer: You and me both, hon.

    And I mean, the rest of my family are Giants fans…it’s like I should have seen the light by now, or something…

  301. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 1st, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    GB7 – Ironically, Don Larsen went to a “no-windup” approach to minimize excess motion amd improve his control. But he was certainly in the minority back in the “Olden Days.”

    Spahn and Marichal were wonderful to watch. Too bad Dontrelle Willis can’t exhibit some longevity with his facsimile of that style.

  302. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Doreen
    January 1st, 2009 at 7:21 pm
    Boy, it doesn’t look at all like Yankee Stadium. Now I understand why some of the old timers say that when the stadium was refurbished/renovated in the 70’s it stopped being their stadium.

    ————————————————————

    I miss the roof in right field and the monuments and flag pole on the field in center field….461 feet away.

  303. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Bikinis??? In the 50s’??? Wow pretty risque.

    And I guess the Yankees have a real history of being clean-shaven. :lol:

  304. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 1st, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Doreen – I opined earlier this year about how mundane the (now-closed) Yankee Stadium is/was in comparison to the pre-renovation version. There is/was simply no comparison. Those generic, 12 foot blue padded walls are the pits. I hope the new YS incorporates some of the distinctive features of the Old YS.

  305. Viper January 1st, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    I’m really glad to see that Bob Costas is going to be a big part of the MLB Network.

    I may be in the minority here, but I love the guy.

    And although he’s known as a jack of all trades in regards to sports, he’s at his absolute best talking baseball and the history of the game.

    Baseball and Costas go together like hotdogs and beer.

    Pretty good first day for the new network.

  306. RalphieD January 1st, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    i still have a black screen for the MLB network…my cable is time warner in lower westchester (10550) :(

  307. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    Brian (Red Sox Fan)
    January 1st, 2009 at 7:26 pm
    GB7 – Ironically, Don Larsen went to a “no-windup” approach to minimize excess motion amd improve his control. But he was certainly in the minority back in the “Olden Days.”

    Spahn and Marichal were wonderful to watch. Too bad Dontrelle Willis can’t exhibit some longevity with his facsimile of that style.

    ————————————————————

    Yeah, Larson could get a little wild, but at 6’5″, he was really tall for a pitcher back then. I remember when Jim Kaat switched to the no windup in 1970.

    Spahn and Marichal….high leg kick from the left and right….stiff led straight up in the air and foot over their head….beauftiful poetry.

  308. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    Spahn and Marichal….high leg kick from the left and right….stiff ***leg*** straight up in the air and foot over their head…. ***beautiful*** poetry.

  309. RhapsodyInBlue January 1st, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    MLB Network on Time Warner channel 621 in Saratoga is a dark screen.

    Thanks to everyone for the updating.

  310. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    And do you all hear the wonderful voice of Bob Sheppard in the background? Brings a tear to my eye.

  311. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    Brian (Red Sox fan)

    I started watching baseball in 1970 so I got to see some of those old Stadiums on tv – (I was a NL fan at the time) – Crosley Field, Forbes Field, for example – they were all distinctive. Then they brought in those circular, weird stadiums – Three River and Riverfront, et al. At least Yankee Stadium circa ’77 wasn’t THAT bad!!

  312. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    For those who haven’t seen Ken Burns’ Baseball…do yourself a favor and record it…you’ll hate yourself if you don’t.

    Watch this catch coming up.

  313. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Hey, that Sal Maglie is pretty good, too. :)

  314. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    I didn’t know Jackie Robinson played 3rd base. Or am I missing something?

  315. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    He sure made Bauer look pretty silly!

  316. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 1st, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    Doreen – unfortunately, the renovated YS happened in the era of those cookie cutter stadiums, and the style of the day had an impact.

    I believe that the Orioles, with Camden Yards, started the trend in the other direction.

  317. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    Not many people remeber that Maglie was picked up off of waivers by the Yankees in early 1957 and after the series in 1956, the Dodgers sold Jackie Robinson to the Yankees, but, he retired in stead of playing for the Yanks,

  318. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Wow – just looked it up – Robinson played 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the OF during his time with the Dodgers.

    Yeah, Mickey!!!

  319. Jeff NJ January 1st, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Mickey Mantle just jacked one!

  320. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Man, that bat was so fast through the zone.

  321. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Very selfish of Mantle to not go the other way against the shift.

  322. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    *YESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

    What a thing of beauty to watch the Mick looking pretty healthy!

  323. Neil January 1st, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    New Stadium pix with some glances of the old Stadium.

    http://newyankeestadiumtour.shutterfly.com/21

    The difference with either Stadium and that Green Sardine Can in Bahhstin is like day and night.

  324. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    Brian (Red Sox fan) -

    I like Camden Yards. Really nice ballpark. The Cleveland stadium’s nice too.

    Nice catch by the Duke!

  325. Trevor January 1st, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    Wow no shots of Mickey in the dugout explaining to others how he hit the ball out? :lol:

  326. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    Wow, even the scoreboard looks like it was put together with nails and boards! (probably was)

  327. Jack January 1st, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    I’d imagine that most of these ‘experts’ are advocating Joba to the pen because they doubt his ability to hold up physically in his body and fear he might blow out his shoulder.

    I don’t think they think he’d be a bad starter or anything like Francessa does.

  328. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Yogi, God bless him, looks like he’s in his 50s! (I mean Yogi on television today, not Yogi in the game.)

  329. MO 42 January 1st, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Wow this is awesome

  330. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Jack,

    Larkin and Reynolds were advocating Joba in the pen to shorten the game. It’s not a terrible argument; but I think they need to really give Joba a shot in the rotation. A great pitcher in the rotation, they say, affects 3 games – his, the one the day before and the one the day after.

    The problem is no one’s really seen him pitch as a starter – they all KNOW what he can do in the bullpen. They have no imagination and don’t do their homework.

  331. pat January 1st, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    Wonder if anyone told Mickey 4th inning HRs are meaningless? :smile:

  332. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 1st, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    GB7 – I believe that Jackie Robinson was traded to the arch-rival Giants. Rather than play for them, he retired.

    Nowadays, he’d reference his no-trade clause and demand an extra three years at $20M/annum.

  333. timo January 1st, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    Jackie Robinson retired in Jan 57 after being traded to the hated rival Giants the previous month (he wasn’t sold to the Yanks).

  334. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    “Wonder if anyone told Mickey 4th inning HRs are meaningless?”

    LMAO

    :D

  335. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 1st, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Trisha – I share your sentiments on Claiborne Pell. A rare RI politician unsullied by scandal.

    I saw the kind words that you posted about me about a week ago. I’m appreciative. If I thought that I could, in good conscience, reciprocate, I would.

    Nonetheless, a very Happy New Year to you and your’s (but not the Yankees)!

  336. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Brian (Red Sox Fan)
    January 1st, 2009 at 7:54 pm
    GB7 – I believe that Jackie Robinson was traded to the arch-rival Giants. Rather than play for them, he retired.

    Nowadays, he’d reference his no-trade clause and demand an extra three years at $20M/annum.

    ————————————————————

    Yep…I screwed up and you’re right. I knew he’d been sold to NY and for what ever reason, thought it was to the Yanks.
    Can’t believe it would be to the Giants, though.

  337. Jeff NJ January 1st, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    What non Yankee fans don’t realize is tat the Yankees pen with or without Joba is outstanding. Especially when Melancon is ready. The weakness has been in the rotation for at least 5 years. We Yankee fans know that until Mo retires, Joba is best left to develop in the rotation.

  338. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    Watch where mantle is playing when Gil Hodges come to bat and where he ends up.

  339. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    Jeff NJ -

    You make a very good point about the state of the Yankees’ bullpen. Also, Girardi really has shown himself to be very good at managing the arms out there and so perhaps there’s no real need to have just one 7th/8th inning guy. It’s a luxury to have more than one guy to get the ball to Mo.

    But, if you don’t have a good starting staff, you don’t even get to the guy to get to Mo! Last season, Mo spend an awful lot of time not saving games, ya know?

  340. Jeff NJ January 1st, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    Mantle turned on the after burners on that one, very impressive.

  341. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    “If I thought that I could, in good conscience, reciprocate, I would.”

    CRYING!!!!!

  342. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Great to see how the masters did it – how when a ball was almost hit out, the next one didn’t automatically go…

  343. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    Yeah…he was playing Hodges in right center field. Larson was pitching everything low and outside.

  344. Nic January 1st, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    Put down the kool aid. It’s spiked.

  345. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Gil McDougal was never the same ball player…never the same hitter after he hit Herb Score in the eye in ’57. Two ruined careers. Another all world talent that was never the same was tony Conigliaro. What a beautiful swing he had.

  346. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    *notice how through 5 innings of baseball, neither of the broadcasters have mentioned the “no hitter”?*

    Just thought I’d mention it.

    GRR!

  347. RS January 1st, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Anyone else think it’s funny that in 1954 Larson went 3-21 for the Orioles but 2 of those 3 wins came against the Yankees?

    It’s quite reminiscent of all the current Orioles scrubs that have 6.00 ERA’s and losing records but somehow find a way to shut the Yankees down.

  348. Betsy January 1st, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    I’ve never seen Baseball -and I honestly don’t know why. I’m going to tape all of the episodes and I’m very much looking forward to it. I love baseball history, especially early baseball history – the HOF in Cooperstown was paradise to me.

    As for the Hot Stove show:

    I was pretty impressed with Barry Larkin – at the beginning of the Yankees segment, he responded “who cares?” to the question of whether the Yankees’ spending was good for baseball. I liked how he basically said the Yankees have to worry about themselves……the others agree. I didn’t get why Harold Reynolds would say Tex is a ? because he might get off to a slow start…….and the Joba issue is out of control at this point. If Joba throws a lot of pitches, it’s very likely due to the fact that he’s still a kid. I can understand Larkin’s point of view as he had a great pen on his championship Reds team, but sheesh…..

    The studio is pretty amazing – I think this is going to be a terrific show. ESPN is probably sweating bullets right now.

  349. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    damn, check out skinny vinny!

  350. Drive 4-5 January 1st, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    What a treat to watch Larsen’s game tonight. I’ve watched Mantle’s catch on Gil Hodges 3 times now. Mantle looks fast even in slow motion replay. TIVO is a wonderful thing lol.

    The commercials are really enjoyable to watch too. I don’t know if anyone else was lucky enough to see the exhibit last year at the Museum of the City of New York about baseball in it’s NYC 1950′s heyday. They did a wonderful job. One of the short films looped various commercials. They sure did pitch Gillette razor blades lol.

  351. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    Betsy -

    I agree with you about Larkin. And his take on Joba at least had some “history” for him. But Leiter’s comeback was good.

    The promos for the upcoming shows are very enticing. I think there is real potential for MLB network to be very successful. There sure are enough baseball highlights throughout its history. Just have to make certain to avoid just a few, though, if you know what I mean – one person’s highlights are definitely another person’s lowlights.

  352. Betsy January 1st, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    Why is the first part of my post crossed out?

  353. Betsy January 1st, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    Why is the first part of my post crossed out?

  354. YankeeRay January 1st, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    Wasn’t impressed with Reynolds on the hot stove show. He seemed to want be in control and was cutting off Leiter when Al was trying to make several good points.
    I thought Al was trying to say that Manny belonged in the AL but Reynolds cut him off.
    Harold is lucky he’s getting a second shot.
    I liked Barry and Al.
    They could bring Heyman and others in and talk hot stove for hours and it would be very entertaining.

  355. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    Betsy I thought you did that on purpose (though I didn’t know why!) I wouldn’t know how to cross out, but I’ve seen people do it.

  356. YankeeRay January 1st, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    Betsy
    January 1st, 2009 at 8:28 pm
    Why is the first part of my post crossed out?

    ——

    It’s a sign like from the original Omen movie.

  357. Betsy January 1st, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    Doreen, I can handle Sox highlights from long ago……….just not the ones from 2004 onward!

    I turned away from the Luis Gonzalez bloop in game 7 of the 2001 WS and also the game winning hit by Edgar Martinez (I think) in the 1995 ALCS. Despite winning it all next year, I just can’t watch that clip – that loss really bothers me.

    I’m just going to soak up all the baseball history that the MLB Network has to offer – what a great chance to see some of the old-time ballplayers and to simply learn about the game. It’s perfect.

  358. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    i love looking at the old stadium! no offense to the architects, but the newer version just didnt have it like the old stadium did. the roof with the facade and those huge lights standing on top of them made it seem like you were in a cathedral looking up inside the steeple. the new one was cleaner but didnt have the soul of the old park.

    but it didnt matter, its the team and the players not the ballpark. that will be established anew in 2009!

  359. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    And that’s how you execute a double play/rundown from third.

  360. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    Betsy -

    Yup – those are the ones I’ll need to avoid, as well. :lol:

    They’re all still too raw to relive.

  361. Fran January 1st, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    Betsy – I agree that this new network will challenge ESPN. Looking forward to in-season when they have their baseball highlight show – MLB Tonight. By the looks of the studio and what they were saying their capabilities are they should really be a good watch. Much more in depth than Baseball Tonight on ESPN.

  362. Betsy January 1st, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    As long as it’s legible, I guess it’s ok – sure is annoying though, lol.

    Better that my posts get crossed out than that a baboon crawls onto my car or a priest gets rammed through with a lightning rod, lol

  363. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Betsy I may be wrong, and only time will tell, but something tells me that MLB television isn’t going to be the toyboy of Boston, the way ESPN is.

  364. Tom January 1st, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    I wonder what other games the MLBN is going to show…

  365. MO 42 January 1st, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    Don’t see how anyone can ever go back to ESPN after seeing this.

    Karl Ravech, Jon Kruk, Steve Phillips, and Gammons vs. this?

  366. Tom January 1st, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    Betsy- don’t use the double —

    –it crosses out words–

  367. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    With the advent of this network something tells me that life as I have known it is going to change for good – and I don’t know that I am going to like the change. I can see myself becoming an addict of this station, thereby bringing my hardcore status to 12 months of the year, as opposed to 7 or 8.

  368. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    RS
    January 1st, 2009 at 8:18 pm
    Anyone else think it’s funny that in 1954 Larson went 3-21 for the Orioles but 2 of those 3 wins came against the Yankees?

    It’s quite reminiscent of all the current Orioles scrubs that have 6.00 ERA’s and losing records but somehow find a way to shut the Yankees down.

    ———————————————————–

    There have always been no-name pitchers or hitters that have killed the Yanks. Back in 1951, a pitcher named Virgil “Fire” Trucks was 5-19 and 3 wins and a no hitter against the Yanks. He threw 2 no hitters that year.

    Trucks’ nephew is Butch Trucks of the original Allman Brothers Band is great nephew is Derek Trucks of the Derek Trucks Band.

    Not really fair to call Trucks a no-name, though. He won 177 games with some bad teams.

  369. Jeff NJ January 1st, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Just noticed the monuments in play in CF. That is amazing to me.

  370. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    You want to talk pressure? How about game 5 of the world series? And Larsen doesn’t look like he’s even breaking a sweat.

  371. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Correction: That was 1952.

  372. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    PAT M, if you’re out there, I hope you didn’t have a heart attack during the last 40 seconds of the Rose Bowl. ;)

  373. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    GB and Doreen,

    just got back from dinner, and caught up on the comments. Thanks for the research. Really appreicated. thanks.

  374. Drive 4-5 January 1st, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    As the season progresses and controversial issues arise, it will be interesting to see how the Network addresses them.

    For example, if another drug scandal were to arise, would they be objective about reporting it or would they be forced to report the news as Bud Selig/management see fit.

    The one advantage that ESPN has over the Network is that it doesn’t have a vested interest in reporting the news.I’m not saying the reporters themselves don’t show bias at times, but the ESPN itself doesnt have a monetary stake in the outcome like the Network’s majority owners do.

  375. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    scully never jinxes a no-no, the guy’s the fan friendliest announcer god ever invented. its remarkable how his call hasnt changed a note over 50 years! amazing!

  376. Jeff NJ January 1st, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    I pretty much only watch ESPN when there is nothing else on (like today in the office), so this network could be a major upgrade in terms of national baseball coverage without the real or imagined ESPN bias against the Yankees. I mean just the fact that Al Leiter is there gives it a chance to be fair and balanced (not in the bull Fox way, but in a real life way).

  377. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    jeff, when i was little i thought those guys were actually buried in cf! (hey ai was only 4!)

  378. Tom January 1st, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    trisha, I agree. My productivity level is going down the tubes because of this.

    Over the summer is one thing, working in academia has its perks, but now I fear I may have to cancel cable

  379. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    Jeff NJ
    January 1st, 2009 at 8:42 pm
    Just noticed the monuments in play in CF. That is amazing to me.

    ————————————————————

    Look real close, and you’ll see Mussina’s flag pole on the field in center, too.

  380. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    I am imagining that this is going to be a more objective projection of what is happening in the game. I already like the blend (minus Hazel Mae).

  381. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    that little martin kid’s pretty good!

  382. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    ham fighters
    January 1st, 2009 at 8:44 pm
    scully never jinxes a no-no, the guy’s the fan friendliest announcer god ever invented. its remarkable how his call hasnt changed a note over 50 years! amazing!

    ————————————————————

    Never could stand listening to Vin Sculley or any of the Careys. Their voices sound like they swallowed broken glass…or fingernails on a blackboard.

  383. Drive 4-5 January 1st, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    trisha,

    You, of course remember Hazel Mae from her NESN gig. I thought she did well tonight in the promos. Nothing like those snarky Yankee comments she’d make on NESN lol

  384. Fran January 1st, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    Trisha – Bob Costas’ comments on what you always wrote about during a potential no-hitter. Scully adhered to the tradition of not mentioning it during the game.

  385. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    gb the carey’s may have rough voices, but not scully, it anything he’s too sing-song. i lived in la for 5 yrs and listened to him call hundreds of games and he’s the consumate professional. he’s too milquetoast for my taste (its another great day at dodger stadium) but you can find no fault in the technical aspect of calling a ballgame. he was always a radio guy who paints a picture, but he never loses the trail runner or leaves you hanging.

    jack buck was the man, and he was more gravelly than carey ever thought of being, but technically as good as scully but jack had opinions too.

  386. Drive 4-5 January 1st, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Nothing lends more legitimacy to the Network than having Bob Costas associated with it. He’s a throwback to the days when announcers were more about the substance of the game than self promotion.

  387. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    “but now I fear I may have to cancel cable”

    :lol:

    Let me know if you do it.

    I know it probably sounds to others like we’re making a joke, but I am really having an internal negative reaction to this because as it is I am a baseball junkie. With the internet and chat lines, what used to be an “ordinary” passion has grown to be pretty all-consuming. But once the season is over, I have the ability to detach enough that I am not living and breathing the game and spending 24-7 on Pete’s blog. This new network may have become the kiss of death for my baseball hiatus. I fear that all I’m going to need is a supply of Ripple to achieve official bum status!

  388. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    ok i really want that encyclopedia of baseball now…..

  389. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    ham fighters
    January 1st, 2009 at 8:56 pm
    gb the carey’s may have rough voices, but not scully, it anything he’s too sing-song. i lived in la for 5 yrs and listened to him call hundreds of games and he’s the consumate professional. he’s too milquetoast for my taste (its another great day at dodger stadium) but you can find no fault in the technical aspect of calling a ballgame. he was always a radio guy who paints a picture, but he never loses the trail runner or leaves you hanging.

    jack buck was the man, and he was more gravelly than carey ever thought of being, but technically as good as scully but jack had opinions too.

    ————————————————————

    Just could never stnd Sculley. The best I’ve ever heard were Red Barber, Mel Allen, Ernie Harwell and Bob Prince. Today, it’s Bob Uecker and everybody else.

  390. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    Mantle was everywhere!

    Fran, people like Scully and Mel Allen had a respect and reverence for the game and as someone pointed out were never self promoting. They lived the game the way we do!

    I would like to think that Michael Kay is watching this…

  391. Al from BK January 1st, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Geez its cold outside and I’m still sick :( When is the Tex conference?

  392. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 1st, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    Drive 4-5 ….. re: your 8:44 post. You’re right on target about the potential lack of objectivity in MLB Channel analysis.

    When discussing Manny’s situation, no one picked up the main point, which is that Manny weny fron Quirky Manny to Sabotage Manny. GMs were skeptical about Quirky Manny (remember, nobody picked him up on waivers), but they’re livid about Sabotage Manny. The guy, quite literally, threw games. The only reason he’s not banned from the game is because he didn’t have a betting interest in the outcome.

    But the MLB Channel analysts avoided that fact like the plague. It is the CENTRAL reason for his unattractiveness on the market, and they ignored it.

  393. j2 January 1st, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    Ham,

    Lol, very cute.

  394. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    Bauer’s the guy that taught Mantle how to drink. Mantle idolized him because of his war record.

  395. Lindsey January 1st, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    You guys have no idea how jealous I am – I’m stuck in Canada with no way to get this new baseball channel, or YES for that matter :(

    I don’t know what I’d do for my baseball needs without this blog – I’m a super-infrequent poster, but long time reader. It would be horrible up here in hockey-land without you guys!

  396. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    i got to go down on the field at royals stadium for batting practice few times while in school and got to meet harwell, what a nice guy!

    ill take jack buck over any of those guys. the high register of barber’s voice always turned me off. allen was alot like sculley, technically good by missing something. prince is an outrageous homer but good. ueker is great! mario impemba of detroit (was in la when i was out there) is very underrated.

    this brings up the question im always asking, how is it possible that the yankees have had so many bad announcers over the years?

    frank messer? are you kidding me?

  397. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Brian (Red Sox fan)

    Right now, it’s not in their best interest to talk about Manny in that frank a manner. They’re a new venture and they have to establish a comfort zone so that they will have access to the people in the game. At least, in my opinion, that might be a part of it. It will remain to be seen what happens once they establish credibility. But the more fair they are in their reporting, the more they will be able to call a situation as they see it, such as the Manny one, which may not reflect favorably on a player.

  398. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Actually I don’t think that they avoided the Manny stuff as much as the fact that this was the first show and Manny was not the most important thing they wanted to deal with in their first half hour. There will be plenty of time to discuss Manny and the real deal.

    I don’t know if you noticed, Brian, but the show really devoted itself to the pantheon of baseball, and that would be the New York Yankees and those things surrounding it.

    :D

  399. j2 January 1st, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    Brian (Sox),

    I thought Al Leiter tried to get at the underlying concern about Manny, but was sort of cut off.

  400. randy l January 1st, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    some of the hitter’s swings look slower and more fluid than what we see nowadays, but a lot of the bats were huge back then. jackie robinson’s especially. the handle was really wide at the end and tapered in to where you could grip it choking up.

    as a kid when we just wanted to make contact, we’d use a jackie robinson or a nellie fox bat.

  401. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    Lindsey – can you get satellite television (DirectTv) in Canada?

  402. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    The old Nellie Fox bottle bat

  403. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Brian Sox fan, you of course noticed that they have a huge baseball in the background with Mariano Rivera’s number on it…

    Face it, this new station is a forum for the New York Yankees!!!

    He he he

    (P.S. Yes, I realize what #42 is meant to represent…)

  404. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    I love Bob Costas. I agree that he lends credibility to just about any sport venture.

  405. Tarheelyank January 1st, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Brian
    maybe the real main point is what took place that drove Manny from “Quirky Manny to Sabotage Manny”. I’m sure Theo et al are totaly innocent.

  406. Betsy January 1st, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    The piece on Roberto Clemente was touching – he was a true hero. I had no idea he was that good of a player – and what an arm. For Latroy Hawkins to go through what he did last year because he wanted to honor Clemente……..it just shows that it’s not only players who don’t know history, it’s fans as well.

  407. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    I seriously think Bob Costas look like Mark Hammil, Luke Skywalker! At first I thought it was him. lol.

  408. Lindsey January 1st, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Trisha – Nope, I’ve tried directtv, extra packages with local digital cable, bell express vu etc – directtv isn’t avail at all up here, and nobody else has anything I’m looking for.

  409. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Hey Linds, if you don’t mind going for it, you can at least get MLB.tv over the internet. You can watch all of the games that way.

  410. YankeeRay January 1st, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    ham fighters
    January 1st, 2009 at 9:08 pm
    i got to go down on the field at royals stadium for batting practice few times while in school and got to meet harwell, what a nice guy!

    ——

    Ham, where did you go to school in kansas? I went my freshman years to a juco there in Ft Scott

  411. randy l January 1st, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    “The old Nellie Fox bottle bat”

    that was the one. they lasted forever too.

  412. j2 January 1st, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Lol, Ed. Yes, Bob Costas = Luke Skywalker.

  413. grafxkid January 1st, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    loving the Darn Larsen perfect game. commercials are awesome.

  414. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    went to mizzou.

    Go Tigers!

  415. Lindsey January 1st, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Thanks Trisha – I’ve had it for the last 3 years and it kept me happier than a clam until now :P Hearing about you all watching the original commercials rather than watching the mlb.tv pacman / annoying mlb.tv commercials sounds sooo much better! I was so excited last spring training when I get to see the American commercials – then they took those away too!

  416. YankeeRay January 1st, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    trisha – CC and AJ and Sheets – OH MY!
    January 1st, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    I know it probably sounds to others like we’re making a joke, but I am really having an internal negative reaction to this because as it is I am a baseball junkie. With the internet and chat lines, what used to be an “ordinary” passion has grown to be pretty all-consuming. But once the season is over, I have the ability to detach enough that I am not living and breathing the game and spending 24-7 on Pete’s blog. This new network may have become the kiss of death for my baseball hiatus. I fear that all I’m going to need is a supply of Ripple to achieve official bum status!

    ——-

    Trish, will you marry me ? :)

  417. Betsy January 1st, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    Al Leiter tried to bring it back to Manny and the reason why he hasn’t signed (which was, after all, the question), but no luck….

  418. Freddy January 1st, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    What a great way to spend a New Years Day evening. The launch time was perfect…

  419. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    check out everybody walking onto the field to exit through the RF gate. they stopped that before i ever got there (1964)

  420. Doreen January 1st, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    It was great watching Larsen watch the end of the game. What a great memory for him – and Yogi and all those guys. Such joy on his face.

  421. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    What a thing of beauty. I am so happy I taped it. It also brought tears to my eyes when I watched Larsen’s expression as he watched the end of that game. Man alive. Our Yankees. Alpha and omega.

  422. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    randy l
    January 1st, 2009 at 9:20 pm
    “The old Nellie Fox bottle bat”

    that was the one. they lasted forever too.

    ============================================================

    I’ve still got a few game bats in storage. Fox, I believe was an H&B C12.

  423. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    I seriously think Bob Costas looks like Luke Skywalker.

  424. HJ645 January 1st, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    Re-watching the segment about Manny… Harold was making the point that whichever team Manny goes to will become the favorite in their division and cited the Dodgers in the NL West, Mets in the NL East etc.

    Can’t argue with him. Though he picked teams that were probably already the favorite lol

  425. steve January 1st, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    can’t wait for baseball to start. the next 2 months are going to be torture

  426. YankeeRay January 1st, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    ham fighters
    January 1st, 2009 at 9:21 pm
    went to mizzou.

    Go Tigers!

    ——

    My roomie lived in Shawnee Mission, nice area. Minskees pizza and beer on Friday nights. Kaufman stadium was a nice venue, could eat off the floors.

  427. Fran January 1st, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    Really enjoyed watching the game. Having Costas with Berra and Larsen talking about it really added a lot.

  428. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    manny wont make the giants or nats win the division…

  429. Outlawz January 1st, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    Larkin was pretty good. Definitely some potential there.

  430. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    This is the Diana Dors that Larsen just mentioned. She was once married to… Richard Dawson.

    “Her success was such that, aged 20, she was the youngest registered owner of a Rolls Royce in the UK.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Dors

  431. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    YankeeRay -

    :lol:

    I will. True story – my ex David and I once had a huge fight because I refused to deal with an issue we were having while he was working out of state and wanted to talk on the phone because it was the night that Pedro pitched against Clemens at the Stadium and I couldn’t concentrate on anything David was saying. So I hung up the phone and kept it off the hook until the game was over. Man was he plissed! I knew then that he had to go. :D

  432. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Don Larson….the original “Night Rider”. Stengel said the only thing Larson ever feared was sleep.

  433. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    Trisha,

    wow….that really sucked. :( lol, I once had a fight with my ex when I was watching the game too, but not bad as yours.

  434. YankeeRay January 1st, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    trisha – CC and AJ and Sheets – OH MY!
    January 1st, 2009 at 9:32 pm
    YankeeRay –

    I will. True story – my ex David and I once had a huge fight because I refused to deal with an issue we were having while he was working out of state and wanted to talk on the phone because it was the night that Pedro pitched against Clemens at the Stadium and I couldn’t concentrate on anything David was saying. So I hung up the phone and kept it off the hook until the game was over. Man was he plissed! I knew then that he had to go.

    ——–

    Good girl, let me know when you’re ready. If you like Bruce too I’ll be up there tomorrow.

  435. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 1st, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Trisha – I believe that the Yankees are tearing down “the pantheon of baseball.” So if the MLB Channel hopes to focus on that icon, it had better hurry.

  436. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Larsen was a .500 pitcher?

  437. Y26 January 1st, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Heyman has kind of become overkill now. He is on SI.com, WFAN, SNY, and now the MLB Network. They should have developed a new insider just to make things a little different and try and get different scoops.

  438. Tarheelyank January 1st, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    I really enjoyed watching that. I am hooked.

    Trisha that was too funny!

  439. Tom January 1st, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    Game 7 2003 was on my girl friends birthday. She was pissed because I was “distracted” and what not.

    She got her revenge on me later by buying me a Pavano shirt..

  440. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Tom,

    lol ouch…you got burn!

  441. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Ed – American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!!
    January 1st, 2009 at 9:36 pm
    Larsen was a .500 pitcher?

    ————————————————————

    Actually, he was 10 games under .500 at 81-91. He beat the Yanks in a WS game in 1962 for the SF Giants. He wasn’t great during the seasons, but a pretty good WS pitcher.

    http://www.baseball-reference......do01.shtml

  442. YankeeRay January 1st, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Betsy
    January 1st, 2009 at 9:24 pm
    Al Leiter tried to bring it back to Manny and the reason why he hasn’t signed (which was, after all, the question), but no luck….

    ——
    Thats because Reynolds was trying to control the flow but Al got snubbed when trying to give his opinion after he was asked for it.
    I hope the next Hot stove is not a repeat but probably is.
    Will be interesting to see if Reynolds tries to become the Boomer or the Rich Eisen of this station, hopefully not.

  443. PAT M January 1st, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Just made it back from the Rose Bowl…..Man my 9 1/2 points suddenly was looking back at me….USC is as good as any team in the country and have been for the past 6 years……Nellie Fox bats were the best pepper bats…..I’m not certain if I can get this station out here in Orange County….

  444. Betsy January 1st, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    I’m going to tape the perfect game and watch it maybe over the weekend. How were Yogi and Don? That’s what I’m really looking forward to. I still can not believe the day that David Wells pitched his perfect game – Larsen was at the Stadium that day and they both went to Loma Linda high school….wow.

  445. randy l January 1st, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    gb7-
    after looking up the h&b c12 you mentioned, i found that bobby richardson used the same model. now that i think about it, i vaguely remember that. this mlb channel is going to be interesting.

  446. ham fighters January 1st, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    LOVE kauffman stadium! i saw the yankees play there every year.

  447. dave January 1st, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    WHAT ABOUT DAMON’S DEFENSE? hE IS solid now in left field but for how long? and with the money for him and matsui we have a legit shot of signing holliday – i will take matt over jonny any day of the week. With ajax in center making league minimum, holliday is a real option if we let matsui and damon go. with tex, arod and holliday batting 3,4 and 5 we have 3 of the best in the game with tremendous power and speed all signed in their prime. Thas better than jonny and ajax is a better leadoff hitter potentially. Not to mention, boras is his agent – how many years will he sign for? three, four, more? I would sign him for one or maybe even two but he will want more without question. i love johnny – he is an amazing leadoff hiter and probably the nicest yankee in the history of the organization but let him go elsewhere after 09. Ajax has the potential of being the best leadoff hitter in the game making league minimum – we need to give him a shot to claim the spot.

  448. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 1st, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    GB,

    thanks.

  449. DT January 1st, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    This is the Diana Dors that Larsen just mentioned. She was once married to… Richard Dawson.
    “Her success was such that, aged 20, she was the youngest registered owner of a Rolls Royce in the UK.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Dors

    Yikes. I clicked on that Dors link. Did you see what her real birth name was? Talk about doing a double take…. lol.

  450. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Lindsey, if you look at the lineup and would like me to tape anything for you at any point at all, just say the word. I will be happy to do it. If you’d like a copy of Don Larsen’s game, I will make a copy of the tape and send it to you. I would say it is something that you would probably really want to have since you also have Larsen and Yogi discussing it, and you get to see those commercials!

    Just say the word. I noticed that the same game is going to be broadcast two or three more times between now and next Friday so it wouldn’t be any big deal for me to pop a tape in and record it.

  451. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Good luck on convincing Boras that this is in Andruw Jones best interests, Frank. LMAO.

    Dodgers Working On Buyout For Andruw Jones?
    By Drew Silva [January 1 at 8:38pm CST]
    T.J. Simers of the L.A. Times has heard that the Dodgers are working on a buyout deal for outfielder Andruw Jones.

    Simers claims that the buyout would save the team $12MM and “send the guy, who couldn’t hit a thing, seeking employment elsewhere.” Jones is in the final year of a two-year deal and is set to make around $15MM in ’09. He’s not just going to forfeit that money, so it’s not exactly clear what kind of a “buyout” deal Simers is speaking of. What are the Dodgers going to offer him? A yacht? Nonetheless, Simers is onto something and it appears the Dodgers are readying the cash to make an offer to Manny Ramirez.

  452. YankeeRay January 1st, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    ham fighters
    January 1st, 2009 at 9:45 pm
    LOVE kauffman stadium! i saw the yankees play there every year.

    ——
    Saw a Raider / Chief MNG game at Arrowhead with Stabler and Bilitnekoff. That was also a nice venue, that whole complex was sweet.

  453. Tarheelyank January 1st, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Betsy,
    Larsen was at the Cone perfect game. He threw out the first pitch to Yogi. And you’re right Larsen and Wells went to the same HS in San Diego. Wow is right.

  454. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    PAT M, congrats, looked liked a fun game to have attended. I left you a message a while ago:

    “PAT M, if you’re out there, I hope you didn’t have a heart attack during the last 40 seconds of the Rose Bowl. ;)

    Musberger said “Lot of folks in Nevada are on their feet” after the bad snap on the punt attempt. I know I was.

    Nice to see the Pac-10 go 5-0 in bowls.

  455. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    YankeeRay
    January 1st, 2009 at 9:48 pm
    ham fighters
    January 1st, 2009 at 9:45 pm
    LOVE kauffman stadium! i saw the yankees play there every year.
    ———Saw a Raider / Chief MNG game at Arrowhead with Stabler and Bilitnekoff. That was also a nice venue, that whole complex was sweet.

    ————————————————————

    There are 3 reasons that Kenny Stabler is in the NFL HOF….Freddie Bilitnekoff. Cliff Branch and Dave Casper.

  456. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Ed – actually it didn’t suck at all. The part that did was his annoying two-year-old behavior of continuing to call back every time I hung up the phone – which is why I took it off the hook! I had my priorities in order and was totally focused on the game. There was nothing that couldn’t wait until the game was over! He he he.

    YankeeRay – okay, I prefer classical music to Bruce but believe in giving someone a very wide berth, which means that you can listen to Bruce til you’re blue in the face and won’t hear a peep out of me!

    :D

    Brian, I was referring to the entire Yankee experience as the partheon, not specifically the edifice!

  457. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    Scott Proctor is getting closer to NY again. He has a new job.

    Marlins Sign Reliever Scott Proctor
    By Drew Silva [January 1 at 5:57pm CST]
    An industry source told Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald that right-handed reliever Scott Proctor has agreed to a one-year deal with the Marlins.

    Proctor was 2-0 with a 6.05 ERA in 41 appearances for the Dodgers last season. He fanned 46 batters in 38 2/3 innings. The deal is worth $750,000 in base salary and carries another $250,000 in performance incentives. Proctor is expected to fill the void left by the departure of Joe Nelson via free agency.

  458. Lindsey January 1st, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Trisha – That would be amazing! How generous of you to offer! That brightened my night considerably, as I just returned in from shovelling over a foot of snow off my balcony :S

    I don’t want to post my ‘real’ email address, so if you could send an email to my ‘spam’ account (buttonprincess24@yahoo.ca), I can email you my real email address :) Thanks again!!!

  459. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    “Yikes. I clicked on that Dors link. Did you see what her real birth name was? Talk about doing a double take…. lol.”

    Reminds me of a great Elvis Costello lyric:

    “I wish you luck with a capital F”

  460. PAT M January 1st, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    Nick in SF….The blown snap was unbelievable…..Pac 10 going 5-0 is a huge statement after being slammed all season….It’s why USC isn’t playing for the National Title…..

  461. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    I’d pay to see USC play the Oklahoma/Florida winner…

  462. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 1st, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Lindsey, I was going to suggest you get in touch with Pete for my address, but this will work fine. I will email you now and you can give me the particulars.

    Happy to do it. What better to share than stuff with other Yankee fan(atics)?!?

  463. PAT M January 1st, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    SC would be a 3 point opening line favorite…..Need Ohio State to beat Texas and then have Oaklahoma to beat Florida, and then let’s see who’s # 1…..

  464. tb646 January 1st, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    NY Times story about Larsen traveling to NJ to tape the MLB Network segment.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01.....f=baseball

  465. Brent January 1st, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Reynolds and Larkin had terrible arguments for why Joba should be in the pen.

    When Leiter said “Ok then why don’t all teams take every up-and-coming pitcher and throw them into the bullpen”, the two didn’t have an answer.

    Reynolds then claimed that the Yankees now have the best lineup in baseball. What’s he smoking? I’d love to buy some. Before Teixiera signed, everyone was yelling about how terrible the Yankees offense would be in 2009. Teixiera is a tremendous talent, but even WITH his addition, the Yankees still lose production from Giambi and Abreu, and there’s no guarantee Posada, Cano, or Matsui will be back to form.

    How, then, can Reynolds say the Yankees have the best offense? It seems like he said it just to prove his point about Joba in the bullpen.

    CC Sabathia is a great pitcher. Why didn’t the Indians throw him into the bullpen when he was younger? They realized how high his potential was.

    Joba is going to be a starter, and that’s final.

  466. GreenBeret7 January 1st, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Brent
    January 1st, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Reynolds then claimed that the Yankees now have the best lineup in baseball. What’s he smoking? I’d love to buy some. Before Teixiera signed, everyone was yelling about how terrible the Yankees offense would be in 2009. Teixiera is a tremendous talent, but even WITH his addition, the Yankees still lose production from Giambi and Abreu, and there’s no guarantee Posada, Cano, or Matsui will be back to form.

    ————————————————————

    They can’t have all three of them agree to have Chamberlain in the pen or in the rotation? There’s a;ways a pro/con discussion.

    As far as lost production, Swisher will get close to what Giambi produc`ed and other than steals, Teixeira will far outproduce Abreu. They also have Nady for the entire season. Cano, Jeter, Rodriguez, Matsui and Posada only need to be near their seasonal averages to give NYY a near top offensive team.

  467. Nick in SF January 1st, 2009 at 11:29 pm

    “Swisher will get close to what Giambi produced…They also have Nady for the entire season.”

    Maybe, GB, but we don’t even know where or how much Swisher will play. Or Nady. Won’t they be taking playing time from each other? Or do you think Damon could really see significant time in center?

  468. i am the walrus January 1st, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    I saw an interesting breakdown on Nady at RAB. It showed that each year his batting had shown improvement. He tends to show that he is a better hitter in the earlier part of the season. That could help offset the slower starts that Teixeira has.

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