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Would Jones be worth a look?

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 04, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Dodgers have cut a financial deal with Andruw Jones that will lead to him getting traded or released.

The Yankees could use a center fielder. Jones is a five-time All-Star center fielder. So naturally many people have e-mailed wondering if the Yankees are interested.

Being that I’m on vacation, I have no idea. I haven’t made any calls. But it’s something Brian Cashman and his people have to at least consider.

Jones was awful (.158/.256/.249) last season along with being out of shape. Worse, he didn’t seem to much care. He also has hit .205 since the start of the 2007 season. Scouts say his bat speed has vanished and that he doesn’t have the foot speed to get to balls in the gap like he used to. Look at this way, when Joe Torre decides an accomplished veteran player isn’t worth having around, that’s saying something.

But Jones turns 32 in April, young enough to think that he has a comeback in him. If he were amenable to a minor-league contract with an invitation to spring training, what would the Yankees have to lose?

The question is whether Jones can do better. Perhaps there is a team out there that will trade something for him or give him a guaranteed deal. I suspect that at least one club (the Nationals, perhaps) will try and pick him up.

I’d want nothing to do with Jones. I’d rather see Melky Cabrera and Brett Gardner compete for the position. The Yankees need to mix some young players into the lineup and they need a good glove in center to compensate for their defensive inadequacies elsewhere.

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412 Responses to “Would Jones be worth a look?”

  1. Derek January 4th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Andruw Jones should be nowhere NEAR the Bronx. Unless of course, the Mets want him….

  2. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    I’m not sure the Yankees would want to take the PR hit from signing a guy that just doesn’t try.

    Heck, Gardner tries and his numbers can’t be much worse than Jones.

    If Cashman stays patient, a better option will present itself through the course of the season, as is what usually happens.

  3. jennifer January 4th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    I’d rather have a hungry kid like Brett get a chance. Than some over paid loser like Andruw Jones. Dude is making a lot of scratch a year and he doesn’t care. Why would he care to play for the Yankees for a million.

    No way no how do I touch him with a 10 foot pole.

  4. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? January 4th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    No thanks. Jones is washed up. It’s not the Yankees responsibility to help other teams get rid of bad contracts.

    Let Melky and Gardner duke it out.

  5. Bret the Hitman January 4th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Re: Jones no Jones no

    Jones strikes me as an MLB fat-cat. He lacks the desire and the motivation to apply himself and to strive for greatness. He’s made his money, had his women and lived the good life. He’s had all he’s ever wanted and isn’t too concerned about winning. I could be wrong but take a look at the gap between his talent and his current production at this stage in his career. How do you explain that?

    He’s the opposite of Melky/Gardner. Those kids would be playing for their lives and trying to win every day.

  6. harwood January 4th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Id have more faith on Baldelli bouncing back based on his 11th hour miracle cure story. Jones is finished.

  7. SamVa January 4th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Gardner all the way. He is a player that gets on base and does more then numbers can speak of. He distracts pitchers.. He has incredible speed and a good glove, I would sacrifice a low BA/OBP for a solid CFer.

  8. gayle January 4th, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Also heard that he is playing in the DR winter league and thus far has been terrible as well. I he has any desire to be a good player one would thinkg that he would show smething in winter ball.

    I say thanks but no thanks not sure how he helps at this point in time.

  9. Scott January 4th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    no thank you. This guy has lost his commitment to being a good player. He has an “I don’t care attitude” and accordng to Buster Olney’s blog he has looked bad in the winter league. He is fat and doesn’t work out so how would he be able to play center for us?

  10. jennifer January 4th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    From Busters Blog

    he struck out 76 times in 209 at-bats, with a .158 batting average. He had many more strikeouts, in fact, than he had hits and walks combined (60).

  11. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    For those that asked for it, the full version of my post can be found here (it’s the same as yesterday’s, just lengthened)

    http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....bronx.html

  12. CB January 4th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    I wouldn’t trade for him – he has $5M remaining on his contract.

    But if he gets released I’d talk to him. You’ll have a good sense of where he is the minute he walks into the room.

    If Jones is still 40-50 pounds overweight then he’s a waste of time. His game disintegrated because he just didn’t seem to care anymore about his body or being in shape.

    If Jones has made some kind of effort to get back in shape then it’s worth considering.

    It’s possible that it’s finally sunk in to Jones that his career is close to over. Deferring $12M is backing up words with money and players don’t just give money away (Jones is getting no interest on the money so he is effectively taking fewer real dollars than he originally signed for…)

    Unfortunately the reports on Jones from his winter ball season have been bad – still out of shape with no bat speed.

    Jones doesn’t need to be in the dominican playing winter ball – he needs to be in the states working out with a personal trainer. He’s enormously overweight and that’s likely the root of his problem. He’s not even 32 yet and was may have been on his way to the hall of fame before 2 years ago.

    They can’t rely on Melky or Gardner in CF. Too much risk with either of them to just make it a competition between them in spring training. Spring training just won’t tell you very much past what you’ve seen from them in the regular season this past year.

    With Jones it really gets down to his weight. Not only is that the physical problem that’s killed his game – it’s also a good barometer for his commitment to the game and his desire to make a come back.

    But if it’s not Jones they still need to come up with an alternative plan in CF. It’s very possible that both Melky or Gardner could only get on base at a .300 rate. That means they’re making outs 70% of the time they are up. That’s just unacceptable for a team that is focused on winning the world series.

    The more outs Melky/Gardner make the fewer at bats Damon, Jeter, Tex and ARod get. Over the course of a season it makes a difference.

  13. Drew January 4th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    N, freaking O!!!!!!!!!

  14. dann January 4th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    Brett Gardner will outperform Andru Jones

    Gardner, if he hits .260 will be a weapon on the basepaths and provide GG defense in center

  15. Zach January 4th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Sure a minor-league contract sounds great, but he’s definitely going to get a major-league deal from some low-level team.

  16. harwood January 4th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    The narrative that Andruw Jones suddenly has an “I don’t care attitude” doesnt pass the sniff test. He put up great numbers for near a decade. Then his last year before FA with the Braves he had a massive power drop off. The Dodgers do the bone head move of signing him and he collapses further.
    This is the end of his career. Bat speed loss? Common. Its not motivation. We have seen this before.

  17. Soul January 4th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    CB,

    Would you agree that Damon in CF with Nady in left and Swisher in right is our best overall configuration in the OF?

  18. Peter Abraham January 4th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Harwood:

    Jones signed a two-year deal then showed up for camp weighing 25 pounds more than expected. After a terrible season, with the Dodgers in contention, he asked not to play because he didn’t think he’d be any good.

    That passes the “I don’t care” sniff test for me. If you show up out of shape and ask not to play, you seem to lack motivation.

  19. BX 44 January 4th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Andru Jones will ruin Cano

  20. G. Love January 4th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Andruw Jones will make Cano look like Pedroia in case last years Cano decides to show up again.

    But seriously, no way on this guy. I’d rather go with the Damon in CF with Swisher and Nady in the OF & Gardner as defensive replacement than even consider giving a roster spot to Andruw.

    I still don’t think Melky will be here by opening day.

  21. Mike D. January 4th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Concerning centerfield, I was thinkin’….how old was Robin Yount when the Brewers moved him from shortstop to centerfield? And who replaced him at shortstop? Didn’t he make the All Star team a couple of times as a centerfielder?

  22. North January 4th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Could the loss of power in 07 and be linked to Jones having dropped drugs?

    Hey Pete… Are you out of town?

  23. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? January 4th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    “That passes the “I don’t care” sniff test for me. If you show up out of shape and ask not to play, you seem to lack motivation.”

    He also sounds like a coward by asking not to play. He doesn’t sound like Yankee material. At some point, the Yankees have to give these farm guys a chance. I know that Gardner won’t be winning any batting titles, but he could be very serviceable in CF. Melky may have turned the corner in Winter ball. Give these guys a chance. If it doesn’t work out, then try and make a deal later on.

  24. harwood January 4th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Pete I just dont buy that he suddenly stopped caring. He showed signs of degradation his last year with the Braves. But he had a great career which lasted quite a while prior to that. I think there is something else factoring in that he is disguising as “I dont care”.

  25. Scott January 4th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    I also think the Yankees have enough offense to be able to afford to carry a Melky/Gardner in center. I am hoping Gardner gets the job because he will be able to cover alot of ground and better improve our outfield defense. I think we should be a whole lot better in right too now that Abreu is gone.

  26. Brad January 4th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    If you see marks on the arms of Andruw Jones, they’re not 10 foot pole marks, they’re 50 foot pole marks.
    Jones is done and is likely a product of the ‘roids era when he was bashing balls out of anywhere.
    Unless Cashman works a deal for a CF, there will be combinations of present players used in the OF based on what scouting reports show. For example, Girardi would not want Damon in CF against a team with the speed of the Rays.

  27. CB January 4th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    “Would you agree that Damon in CF with Nady in left and Swisher in right is our best overall configuration in the OF?”

    If the roster is what it is today, I’d give Damon a lot of time in CF in spring training and see how it goes.

    Not sure if this is viable but I’d talk to Damon about it now to gauge his reaction and then see how he does in spring training in terms of his range. His arm is going to be bad but that’s very secondary. If his range is ok he’ll be fine. All he needs to do is be a league average fielding CF – his bat in CF will be way over league average and he’ll be a big plus out there.

    When he was injured two years ago it was assumed that it was due to CF. But at the same time he came into camp out of shape – which was very unusual for Damon. It very well may have been being out of shape that led to those leg injuries rather than playing CF.

    I’d try to play him in CF as much as possible with Gardner giving him regular rest. I’d also start Gardner in CF against teams that run (tampa, the angels, etc.).

    I’d play Nady in RF and Swisher in LF. LF in yankee stadium is much larger than RF and Swisher has better range than Nady.

    Again – Damon in CF may just no longer be viable. But I’d want to know that for certain before handing the CF job over to either Gardner or Melky.

    Remember – if Posada gets hurt and they have to play Molina again then having either Gardner or Melky as a starter becomes an enormous problem – then you’ll have 2 spots in the line up that are making outs at very high rates.

    Tex makes a difference but even his bat won’t make up for 2 guys in the order making outs frequently. It won’t even make up for 1 guy in the line up making outs frequently.

  28. Tantron Willoughby January 4th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    Speculation would lead you to believe he stopped taking his performance enhancers and gave up the ghost. Poor kid. He better have saved his loot before the cash fountain drys.

  29. james January 4th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    im gonna have to pass on this one. I live near LA and went to a few dodger games last year and I have never seen anyone look more pathetic at the plate than Jones did

  30. Donnie January 4th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Why would anyone want Jones? This isn’t 2002 here. Live in the now and not the past. It wouldn’t kill this team to actually have good D and speed in CF.

  31. SJ44 January 4th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    There is nothing left in him. He’s still fat and he has been awful thus far in Winter League play.

    He’s just a name at this point. There isn’t a single talent evaluator who has watched him in winter ball who believes he can play CF at any level anymore.

    Basically, he’s a fat DH prospect at this point.

    Its a shame. The guy ate and partied himself out of a possible HOF career.

    If Miguel Cabrera isn’t careful, he will end up the same way. Great talent, no self-discipline and that leads to short, unfulfilled careers.

  32. Deryck In Indianapolis January 4th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    I’m not of the belief Melky or Gardner are the answer. But they are more solid and reliable than Andruw Jones at this point.

    The next question is: Does he even start for the Netherlands in the WBC?

  33. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    I’d give Jones that he had an injury if that’s why he got so out of shape and/or didn’t think he could play up to standard. Somewhere recently I read that he’s past his injury(-ies), so he’s able to get himself back into in shape. No doubt the guy’s got a ton of talent but he’s been unbelievably bad for two years in a row and now he’s 32.

    If there was some way to obtain him with a minor league deal where he competes for the position in spring training, there’s no guarantee made to him and no downside if he doesn’t come around, then it could be worth taking a shot with him. Even if he became 90% of the player he used to be he’d still be pretty good. But if there was any potential downside in the deal whatsoever, other than the cost of a minor league salary, then I’d have to say no on Andruw Jones.

    Never mind the talent – for two years running he’s got nothing to show but a big salary based on the superstar he used to be. And NY’s had enough of those deals in this decade alone. Jones would have to go out and prove his worth first before cashing in. Wherever he ends up (NY Boston, SF, Kansas City or wherever) hopefully he’s unselfish enough to recognize the difference between what he’s accomplished in his career vs what he’s done recently, and accept that.

  34. jennifer January 4th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    SJ-

    How can you even call him a fat dh at this point with these numbers

    he struck out 76 times in 209 at-bats, with a .158 batting average. He had many more strikeouts, in fact, than he had hits and walks combined (60).

  35. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    If what SJ says about his current physical condition is true, then there’s no way you go for it with Jones.

  36. Vrsce January 4th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Too bad about Jones, however I feel for the Dodgers, Jones will be wealthy for the rest of his life on the cash he has extracted from LA.

  37. Eric January 4th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Just when u think these pinch hittrs can’t get any worse this one comes along.

  38. Paco Dooley January 4th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Just say no.

  39. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Uh, Eric, Pete wrote this post…

  40. jay pee January 4th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Aaron Rowand!Do it!

  41. jennifer January 4th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Vrsce -
    Um the Dodgers were stupid enough to give him that insane contract after his awful year with the Braves. I don’t feel sorry for them. Was any other team willing to even offer him a contract let alone the insane one the Dodgers did?

  42. Bret the Hitman January 4th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Re: Miguel Cabrera

    Boy did the Marlins cut ties with him in the knick of time or what?

  43. Eric January 4th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Comparing jones to cabrera as hitters is ridiculous.

  44. Eric January 4th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    U realize cabrera lead the al in homers right Bret?

  45. SJ44 January 4th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    In his prime, Jones was a much better all around player than Cabrera. He was a magical defensive player.

    A lot of baseball people have said he was the best CF in the game since Mays. That’s right, better defensively than Griffey, Jr, Gary Maddox and a host of other terrific defensive CF’s in the past 45 years.

    He had speed, a great arm, and got unbelievable jumps on the ball.

    He was also a very good hitter. Not as a good an all around hitter as Cabrera but, a guy who had more power. He hit 50 HR’s in a pitchers ballpark one year.

    As an all around player though, Jones had few peers in the game.

    If he could have done a better job of taking care of himself, he should be in the middle of a HOF career. Instead, he’s done.

    If Cabrera isn’t careful, and begins to do a much better job of taking care of himself, he will face the same fate as Jones when he reaches 32 years old.

  46. AJW January 4th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    No to another roid user.

  47. Joe January 4th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    No, we don’t need him.

    I’m comfortable that the Yankees team is pretty much set in terms of position players.

    C
    Posada
    Molina

    IF
    Texeira
    Swisher
    Cano
    Jeter
    Arod
    Ransom

    OF
    Nady
    Damon
    Gardner
    Matsui
    Cabrera

    That is 13 position players, can still carry 12 pitchers.

    Matsui will be the usual DH, with Swisher getting time there, including batting righty vs. LHP. Although last year Swisher was better batting lefty, historically he’s better righty. Swisher will also play outfield and firt ever once in a while.

    Gardner or Melky starting CF, the other one we’ll still need on the bench and for late-inning defense at the corner outfield spots.

    Is Ransom good enough defensively to be the only back-up for second base, short stop, and third?

  48. Bob Mac January 4th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    He has upped his average from last season. He is at .188 in winter league play. No stick, bad attitude, no thanks.

  49. MikeD January 4th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    If the Dodgers cut him, there’s little to lose by inviting him to camp for a look-see where the most they’d have to pay him is league minimum if he made the team. The Yanks, however, shouldn’ttrade for him and then have to pay $5 million in ’09. A waste of $5 million is a waste of $5 million, even to the Yankees.

  50. Vrsce January 4th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Rebecca,

    I think Eric knew that.

  51. Wave Your Hat January 4th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    I’d much rather take a chance on Gardner, or Melky improving, than Jones.

    At this point, IMO Damon is not an everyday CF. We need him in the lineup, and I think CF on an everyday basis will take too much out of him and could lead to losing him through injury.

    Plus, I just don’t think I could take his arm out there day in and day out.

    If the Yanks stand pat on offense, I would give Gardner a shot. If Posada can catch, we can afford it. If Posada can’t catch, we will need to get more offense anyway.

    If you give Gardner a shot, you could spot Nady and Swisher depending on the pitcher (it’s not a natural platoon, though) and also rotate them through LF and let Damon play CF on a spot basis while giving Damon some rest as well.

    Meanwhile, we would actually have someone on the bench.

    If Gardner shows something, then we are ahead of the game. If he doesn’t work out, we could fall back on Damon in CF.

  52. Todd January 4th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Got a chuckle out of the poster who wanted to give a hungry Brett Gardner a shot… Who is hungier than Andru Jones?????????Have you seen him lately??? LOL

  53. Drive 4-5 January 4th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Melky did his minor league penance. Unless a trade is made he should at least be given a serious chance at starting. Gardner may best be used as an ’09 version of Homer Bush. Late in a game his speed would be a valuable weapon.

    I think the bottom line is that the Yanks ’09 centerfielder is just basically keeping the position warm for Austin Jackson next year or September of this year.

  54. David January 4th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    I’d like to see a single regular center fielder, whether it be Damon or Melky or Gardner or someone the team trades for or even Swisher. The year Bernie and Bubba shared center field, the outfield defense got messed up. The corner outfielders were made worse by the switching of center fielder.

    Clearly Jones is not going to be that regular center fielder, so I hope the Yanks paass on him.

  55. jennifer January 4th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Todd January 4th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Got a chuckle out of the poster who wanted to give a hungry Brett Gardner a shot… Who is hungier than Andru Jones???????Have you seen him lately? LOL
    ————

    And I just took a drink of water as I read your post and chocked on it. Thanks :lol:

  56. jennifer January 4th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    make that

    choked

    :lol:

  57. AJW January 4th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    SJ44, the reason he hit 50 HR’s was because he was on roids.

  58. Doreen January 4th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Rebecca -

    Thanks for the indulgence. I loved the extended version. Brought everything full circle. :)

    I’d much rather see Melky & Brett battle it out for center, at least at this time. I don’t think Andruw Jones is worth it.

  59. Chris from NJ January 4th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Melky is hitting very well in winter leagues, i don’t think we should right him off. He’s also young, he should show some improvement based on his physical maturing alone. Between him and Gardner, i think we can muster something serviceable. I agree with the posters who say that we can afford that potential hit in the lineup if posada is catching and playing near his career norms.

  60. Sevrx January 4th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    A motivated Melky is a much better baseball player than Gardner. Better arm, better defense, more power, higher average, etc.

    Melky is better than Gardner in every facet except speed.

  61. Eric January 4th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Here are Andruw’s stats in Winter Ball.

    He’s played in 4 games. He’s 2 for 14 with 4Ks and 4BBs. 0 RBIs, 0 HRs, 2Rs. His average is .143 but his OBP is .333.

    If you want to keep up with him, here is the site.

    http://www.lidom.com/stats.htm

  62. gayle January 4th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Anyone know the team that Cano and Melky plays on in the DOminican League. Tonight on ESPN Desportes they are showing Azurareros vs. Tigres del Licey and will catch it if they are on one of these teams

  63. Andy Hawkin's Ghost January 4th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Jones is trash. Pass.

  64. A-List January 4th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Remember, Melky was a starter on the 07 team that scored 900+ runs. He also did a great job in 06 when Sheff/Mats went down and we didn’t miss a beat. He isin’t the liability people are making him out to be, like Gardner is. Atleast Melky can hit .270 with some gap power and decent plate discipline, he won’t kill you as a #9 hitter.

  65. Loading it up ! January 4th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    yes….total PASS on this slug…

  66. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    As far as the Washington Nationals taking an interest in Jones, I’d seriously doubt it. They have a lot of outfielders now, but, they’d give him a look only if he filled a need….left handed power and defense. That ain’t Jones. They are looking to move a right handed hitting outfielder.

  67. duh January 4th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    “Andru Jones will ruin Cano”

    this post is borderline racist.

    why would Andruw “ruin” Cano?

  68. Vrsce January 4th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    duh

    Preposterous statement.

  69. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 4th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    I think the Yanks might feel that Andruw is now big enough to play BOTH center and left field at the same time allowing them to add another infield utility player… though it would also no doubt require them to hire another clubhouse buffet guy or two.

  70. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Doreen: No problem! Glad you liked it!

  71. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 4th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Pass on Jones

  72. SoCalYankeeFan January 4th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    CF should be Gardner’s to lose. He brings speed and defense that will save runs. Even if he hits .240/.250 and gets his walks, he’s a better option than Melky. Keep Melky on the bench as PH and 4th OFer. Just say no to Jones and Damon cannot be a consistent CF option any longer. He belongs as LF/DH.

  73. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    duh
    January 4th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
    “Andru Jones will ruin Cano”

    this post is borderline racist.

    why would Andruw “ruin” Cano?

    ————————————————————

    Exactly what part of that statement is racist? Misspelling Jones’ first name?

    Duh!!!! Perfect name.

  74. Andrea January 4th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Melky had an off year. Give him a chance in 2009.

  75. Yazman (David) January 4th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    I’m with Peter. River Avenue Blues posted a Fangraphs chart showing Gardner as the Yanks’ #1 most valuable defensive player last year, and their #1 salary bargain.

    Go with Brett and Melky, and fix it later if necessary.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2008/.....#more-6440

  76. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Jones and Cano aren’t even from the same country…

  77. Todd January 4th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    Just wondering if Melky responds with a good year, having paid his penance in minors, as someone posted previously. Plus the Yanks have broken up the 3 Musketeers, passing on Abreau, while Cano remains. Maybe the threat of being traded motivates Melky to show Yanks they were right in keeping him. I hope so, anyway…

  78. ham_fighters January 4th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    if i thought jones had anything left, id be interested, but people who have seen him play the past 2 1/2 years say he has nothing. and there have been problems with his effort. not someone id like to see in pinstripes.

  79. Buddy Biancalana January 4th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    duh January 4th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    “Andru Jones will ruin Cano”

    this post is borderline racist.

    why would Andruw “ruin” Cano?

    ———————————————————–

    Racist? Are u kidding?

  80. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Todd
    January 4th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
    Just wondering if Melky responds with a good year, having paid his penance in minors, as someone posted previously. Plus the Yanks have broken up the 3 Musketeers, passing on Abreau, while Cano remains. Maybe the threat of being traded motivates Melky to show Yanks they were right in keeping him. I hope so, anyway…

    ————————————————————

    Are you actually insinuating that Abreu was a bad influence on Cano and Cabrera? How so? Because you don’t like Abreu?

  81. duh January 4th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    “Exactly what part of that statement is racist? Misspelling Jones’ first name?”

    how about this: if the orginal poster explains WHY he thinks Jones would ruin Cano, i will explain why it MIGHT be racist (which is why i used the word “borderline”).

  82. Vrsce January 4th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    duh

    That is even more ridulous than your previous post.
    You made the allegation, for no apparent reason. Either back it up or retract it.

  83. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? January 4th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    “Are you actually insinuating that Abreu was a bad influence on Cano and Cabrera? How so? Because you don’t like Abreu?”

    I’ve seen this posted here several times and there is absolutely no proof that Abreu was a bad influence on Cano or Melky. Those guys are young, but they are still grown men. They are responsible for their own behavior and their own play on the baseball field (or lack thereof).

    People can slam Abreu all they want. Tex better produce or we’ll be missing Bobby big time. Bobby, A-Rod and Pujols are the only guys to drive in over 100 RBIs in six years straight. Bobby was no bum. It wouldn’t have killed us to keep him (his supposed fear of the wall notwithstanding).

  84. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    January 4th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
    “I’d much rather take a chance on Gardner, or Melky improving, than Jones.
    At this point, IMO Damon is not an everyday CF. We need him in the lineup, and I think CF on an everyday basis will take too much out of him and could lead to losing him through injury.
    Plus, I just don’t think I could take his arm out there day in and day out….”

    XXXXXXXXXX

    YOU ARE a hundred percent correct. There is nothing to discover about Damon regarding center field. The time has passed him by.

    Do you see many live games? Because I think the posters here engaged in discussion of Damon as a CF option must not get to many .

    Damon cannot make up ground going to the wall any more. The TV cameras have a way of contracting the outfield. You don’t have the benefit of seeing how large the area is and you don’t have a three dimensional sense of how difficult it is for Damon to navigate it at this point in his career.

    When the ball drops in behind him – on a play, for instance, Melky Cabrera or Brett Gardner consistently make – it doesn’t come across to the TV viewer, unless they are already familiar enough with the Stadium to translate the difficulty of a given play relative to Yankee Stadium. It doesn’t help that the commentators say things like “Wow. That’s a tough play.” When what they should be saying is, that’s a tough play… for DAMON. Or, when he makes a catch he should “What a catch by Johnny Damon!”

    Between the contracted playing field and the commentary, the truth is lost. Damon is much, much better in left field, where he does not hurt us, but helps us. You cannot hide poor center field play, and I’m on board with Melky or Cabrera filling that role in 2009.

    Whatever they may give away offensively – and I’m more optimistic that Cabrera, at least, can be effective enough for us at the plate – they will compensate for by helping the entire outfield, the defense as a whole, and the pitchers. Being cavalier with center field in baseball does not work. The position must be entrusted to a competent defender, especially for home games in the Bronx.

  85. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    duh
    January 4th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
    “Exactly what part of that statement is racist? Misspelling Jones’ first name?”

    how about this: if the orginal poster explains WHY he thinks Jones would ruin Cano, i will explain why it MIGHT be racist (which is why i used the word “borderline”).

    ————————————————————

    How about this? One has nothing to do with the other. And no..not even borderline.

  86. ham_fighters January 4th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    damon is not a cf and hasnt been in a long time. most of the people who have been pushing to move him back to cf seem to be trying to make a space for manny or adam dunn.

  87. Jim #2 January 4th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    Did Ponson ruin Joba?

  88. Joey H January 4th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    No. No. No. No. I wish Andruw the best and a strong comeback campaign some where in the NL. He would stink it up here. This is a case where the risk isn’t worth the reward.

  89. Sevendust January 4th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Cano and Melky ruined eachother.

    Abreu may be afraid of the wall, but he is a dedicated baseball player– always hustles, good teammate, plays hard, good clubhouse guy etc. He is a professional.

  90. duh January 4th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    “That is even more ridulous than your previous post.
    You made the allegation, for no apparent reason. Either back it up or retract it.”

    here is my allegation:

    the original post is built on the long-held stereotype that Latin players are “lazy”.

    it’s the EXACT same stereotype which leads people to imply that Bobby Abreu had some sort of negative influence on Cano and Melky. an implication that i noticed people, including one of the people arguing with me, objected to.

    so, i ASSUMED the original poster was saying that Jones, would come in with his bad work habits, and somehow transfer them to Robinson Cano, another Latin player who has been accused of being “lazy”.

    why wouldn’t Jones “ruin” Brett Gardner or any of the other non-Latin players?

    sorry, i just don’t see any other way to read that post.

    now, by using the “r word” i admittedly have overstated the issue and gotten the subject off course.

    i retract my use of the word “racist”.

    but i still think the implication that Jones would somehow “ruin” Cano is bullsh*t.

    so, i retract “racist” and submit “bullsh*t”.

  91. Dann January 4th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    We’re going to greatly miss Abreu next season BTW. People don’t realize how important he was to the offense.

  92. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    As for Andruw Jones, the Yankees have no need of another aging player.

    Jones was one of the best center fielders I have ever seen. His penchant for playing shallow and then outrunning the ball and actually catching up with it, was an almost supernatural delight to witness.

    Being past his prime and allegedly out of shape, If he came here with that approach to center field, the Stadium would swallow him, chew him up an spit him out. So No to Andruw Jones.

  93. Todd January 4th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    In my opinion, Abreau, Cano & Melky spent too much time creating high five ‘dances’. Cano & Melky are goofballs, while Abreau, though a good hitter, is not willing to run through a wall for the team….

  94. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 4th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    Well, Andruw Jones isn’t going to run through a wall for the team either, unless of course there’s a ham sandwich waiting on the other side.

  95. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    Laura – With this pitching staff, how can we lose?
    January 4th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    I’ve seen this posted here several times and there is absolutely no proof that Abreu was a bad influence on Cano or Melky. Those guys are young, but they are still grown men. They are responsible for their own behavior and their own play on the baseball field (or lack thereof).
    People can slam Abreu all they want. Tex better produce or we’ll be missing Bobby big time. Bobby, A-Rod and Pujols are the only guys to drive in over 100 RBIs in six years straight. Bobby was no bum. It wouldn’t have killed us to keep him (his supposed fear of the wall notwithstanding).

    XXXXXXXXXXXXX

    We will certainly miss his clutch hitting and plate patience. He’s a professional hitter, and those are harder to come by than people seem to realize. He was actually getting a bit better regarding the wall, something Girardi worked on with him and for which neither has received proper credit.

    He is not a good outfielder, any more, however. As per my Damon post, when you’re at the Stadium often, as I am, the blemishes aren’t camouflaged as they sometimes are on YES broadcasts. When Hughes and Kennedy were struggling, Abreu (along with other outfielders past their prime: Damon in CF in Fenway comes to mind) blew some “automatic” flyball outs that compounded the youngsters’ troubles, especially in a game Kennedy pitched.

    Kennedy wasn’t getting ground balls, it’s true, but routine outs turned into high adventure hurt him that day; and they’ve been too common an occurence on Abreu’s watch. The Yankees still might have tried to get away with another year of him in right, because of his offense. At least having a sub-par defender in right – who does have a valuable arm – is much less of a sin than trying to masquerade a good hitter/poor defender as a center fielder, which is certain death.

  96. Nick in SF January 4th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    “Did Ponson ruin Joba?”

    That’s borderline anti-Aruban.

  97. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    gayle
    January 4th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
    Anyone know the team that Cano and Melky plays on in the DOminican League. Tonight on ESPN Desportes they are showing Azurareros vs. Tigres del Licey and will catch it if they are on one of these teams

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    Melky’s team is Aguilas. There’s a round-robin playoff going on. Cano’s team was eliminated, while Melky’s remains active.

  98. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    Todd
    January 4th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
    In my opinion, Abreau, Cano & Melky spent too much time creating high five ‘dances’. Cano & Melky are goofballs, while Abreau, though a good hitter, is not willing to run through a wall for the team….

    ————————————————————

    Neither was Giambi.

  99. Ed - American League, prepared to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 4th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Need a LOL?

    Go here: http://www.nypost.com/seven/01.....147177.htm

    that article is a joke.

  100. LLIME January 4th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Did Matsui ruin Damaso Marte??

  101. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Todd
    January 4th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
    In my opinion, Abreau, Cano & Melky spent too much time creating high five ‘dances’. Cano & Melky are goofballs, while Abreau, though a good hitter, is not willing to run through a wall for the team….
    XXXXXXXXXXX

    A player willing to run through a wall for the team will be lost to the team. Running through a wall would be remarkably stupid.

    As for high five ‘dances’ and being ‘goofballs’, they’re kids having fun. Who are you to prescribe how they should express their fun at being baseball players?

  102. Dann January 4th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Sheets makes more sense than Perez

  103. Doreen January 4th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    boddhisatva -

    I liked reading what you had to say about Abreu’s defense hurting the youngsters. I believe it’s the first time I’ve read that perspective.

    I do think the Yankees will miss Abreu offensively; if he wasn’t so costly in terms of years and dollars, it would have been great to have him back.

    As for “ruining” Cano and Cabrera – that’s just ludicrous. I have no problem with guys celebrating good hits/good plays. And I have no idea whether Cano/Cabrera partied the nights away resulting in troubled games the next day. I have my own opinions on the matter, but no facts, so whatever. I do think that Cabrera got off to a great start last season hitting a lot more HRs than anyone expected and I think he got addicted to that and messed himself up. He didn’t re-adjust. I’m hopeful he’s learned something, both professionally and personally from last season.

    We’ll see, right?

  104. Al from BK January 4th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    I thought this was a good idea at first, however Jones is just another lazy veteran. Pass!

  105. TD January 4th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    I also found the leaping high fives near second base distasteful ( performed by the threesome )

    I took note that Jeter stood by looking equally displeased.

  106. NY TIM January 4th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    I hope Teixeria atleast tries to be entertaining at his press conference.. not getting my hopes up though

  107. Yankees35421 January 4th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    The absolute last thing we need is an outfielder…We have Damon, Nady, Gardner, Melky. Let them fight it out. Melky and Brett are what we need. Even if they’re not it this year, they’re the future of the team…

  108. Source January 4th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    The premise if that Kernan article was correct- Both the Yanks and Mets need another starter to round out the bottom of the rotation.

  109. Jeff NJ January 4th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Perez at the same price as Pettitte’s 1 year $10M is fine, but forget anything more than that.

  110. PAT M January 4th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Nick in SF…..Four turnovers rom a team that was the best in not turning the ball over….They’ll still cover…I’m on Cal at home as well as UCLA…….Randy I,,,Thanks for the late night lesson…I added at least 20 % in distance off the tee, I did heel a few with my irons, and I hooked a few …..But the carry was exciting as a reached two par 5′s in 2…..Short game was crap….I have a scope this week on my right knee but I’ll be reading Watson’s book….I owe you Clank !!!! To think that we’re talking about Andru Jones for 5 million is unreal…I disagree with SJ44 about him being better than Junior, but he was in that elite group……This is the Chad the Lad I remember with the Jets….You’re killing me…..

  111. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    duh
    January 4th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
    “That is even more ridulous than your previous post.
    You made the allegation, for no apparent reason. Either back it up or retract it.”
    here is my allegation:
    the original post is built on the long-held stereotype that Latin players are “lazy”.
    it’s the EXACT same stereotype which leads people to imply that Bobby Abreu had some sort of negative influence on Cano and Melky. an implication that i noticed people, including one of the people arguing with me, objected to.
    so, i ASSUMED the original poster was saying that Jones, would come in with his bad work habits, and somehow transfer them to Robinson Cano, another Latin player who has been accused of being “lazy”.
    why wouldn’t Jones “ruin” Brett Gardner or any of the other non-Latin players?
    sorry, i just don’t see any other way to read that post.
    now, by using the “r word” i admittedly have overstated the issue and gotten the subject off course.
    i retract my use of the word “racist”.
    but i still think the implication that Jones would somehow “ruin” Cano is bullsh*t.
    so, i retract “racist” and submit “bullsh*t”.

    XXXXXXXXXXXXX

    Is Jones latin? I thought he was African American.

    For what it’s worth, I see a great deal of thinly-veiled ethnocentrism on this board and others when it comes to latin players.

    The people who get upset when you call them on it, would rather they be allowed to use their racist epithets “goofy” and “lazy” without the inconvenience of your attempts at enlightenment.

  112. Doreen January 4th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    You know, when the Yankees were winning in 2007, and the threesome did their thing, most everyone seemed to think it was cool and refreshing and that the Yankees finally had some life and joy. Last year they lost the division, Cano and Cabrera had disappointing seasons. So, when they did celebrate the few good things they did, it annoyed everyone. I don’t know. A good thing is always a good thing, and on the day and in the minute it’s happening it is a good thing. You don’t know on July 31st that you’re not going to win the division (or at least the Yankees don’t). I guess it would be best to save all the celebration, all the joy and all the fun for … when? since nothing in life or baseball is guaranteed.

  113. R+ January 4th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    Mets are going to be getting an excellent deal on a starter. They can name their price on Lowe or Perez… where are the other suitors?

    Omar is having himself a great winter

  114. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 4th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    Hmmm. Andruw Jones grazing in CF for the NY Yankees…
    Upon speculation, not a good idea. Crazy cow tippers would continually be running out on the field disrupting the game.

  115. Todd January 4th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    Guess I’m old school and feel a player should take his job seriously. I’m not saying players shouldn’t have fun while playing, but the goofball act wears thin, especially when the results on the field are less than desired.. Obviously I don’t want a player to get hurt running into a wall literally, but som effort should be shown when attempting to catch a fly ball (Abreau) or field a grounder (Cano, who was reprimanded)

  116. E-Man January 4th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    Pass.

  117. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    I’d rather have an average player that gives it his all than a superstar who doesn’t try.

  118. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? January 4th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    When *IS* the Texeira press conference? I’d like to think it’s sometime this week.

  119. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Todd
    January 4th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
    Guess I’m old school and feel a player should take his job seriously. I’m not saying players shouldn’t have fun while playing, but the goofball act wears thin, especially when the results on the field are less than desired.. Obviously I don’t want a player to get hurt running into a wall literally, but som effort should be shown when attempting to catch a fly ball (Abreau) or field a grounder (Cano, who was reprimanded)

    ————————————————————

    It’s been explained more than once why you won’t see Abreu trying to knock down a wall. It almost cost him his career back in 1997. I’d rather see his bat in he lineup than on the DL. If Matsui weren’t on the team, resigning Abreu wouldn’t be an issue.

  120. jennifer January 4th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    td- did you also take note that Jeter (god) takes his gum out and toss is it to one of the other players so he can kick it. Yeah he looked really displeased about the jumping. What he did was equally as distasteful. even gross.

  121. Al from BK January 4th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Laura- I’d say the Tex conference is this Thursday. Chances are all the beat writers will be back by Tuesday and Tex will likely be in the city around that same time getting his physical. By the time all that stuff is hammered out I’d say Thursday just like CC/A.J.

  122. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Doreen
    January 4th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    ……As for “ruining” Cano and Cabrera – that’s just ludicrous. I have no problem with guys celebrating good hits/good plays. And I have no idea whether Cano/Cabrera partied the nights away resulting in troubled games the next day. I have my own opinions on the matter, but no facts, so whatever. I do think that Cabrera got off to a great start last season hitting a lot more HRs than anyone expected and I think he got addicted to that and messed himself up. He didn’t re-adjust. I’m hopeful he’s learned something, both professionally and personally from last season.
    We’ll see, right?

    XXXXXXXXX

    Totally agree on Cabrera’s new-found power messing him up. He got long in his swing and couldn’t re-adjust. Have you seen any of his DL games? He looks so much more compact than last season, so I think there’s hope, but as you say, we’ll see.

    As for your comments on the kids celebrating, it’s disappointing that people not only want players to show emotion but they want to control how that emotion is expressed.

    “Dancing” as a criticism, is, afterall, at the end of the day, a cultural bias; In the Carribean, it’s not uncommon to physically express emotions. I see nothing wrong with this. I see nothing wrong with these kids expressing some joy by dancing, if that’s the way it comes out of them.

    I see nothing wrong with Abreu spending his days smiling, or Cano smiling. This has nothing to do with effort or seriousness about baseball.

  123. jennifer January 4th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    jeff- never mind that Perez probably wants 3 years on top of that. :lol:

    I read that article and found it too stupid to even link.

  124. Nick in SF January 4th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    One thing I’ll miss about Bobby was his grin during the post-game interviews with Kim Jones. He always looked like he was getting away with something.

    PAT M: Do you have 3.5 or 4 points? That missed PAT might have cost you, but still plenty of time. I like your Iggles pick in the 2nd game.

  125. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    TD
    January 4th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
    I also found the leaping high fives near second base distasteful ( performed by the threesome )
    I took note that Jeter stood by looking equally displeased.

    XXXXXXXXXXXXX

    I think your projecting what you want to see from Jeter. As I recall, Jeter is in on the ritual: he takes the gum out of mouth and tosses it to Melky, who then leaps through the air and kicks it. If he’s so displeased, why is he involved?

  126. Bob(The Original) January 4th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    I wish Sam I Am would chime in and give us the definitive answer on whether Cashman should go after Jones or not.

    Maybe he went to mall to get some more glamour shots made.

  127. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 4th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    Where did all these Andruw Jones to New York rumors come from anyway? Was it just because he was registered in the Macy’s parade this year and required over 20 ground cables?

  128. Yankee Trader January 4th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    I’m going to throw out some new centerfield possible options for discussion:

    Marlon Byrd- free agent next year, has become a better hitter, .380 OBP, killed us.

    Denard Span-played great defense in RF for the Twins with speed and good batting average. Could he play CF as Mike Cuddyer coming back to take over RF.

  129. Betsy January 4th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    These mediots really have their heads up their behinds. The Yankees are not committing multiple years to a FA pitcher at the back end of their rotation. They would be blocking Phil, etc…… for years. Up until now, I think the Yankees have done a great job of acquiring talent and holding onto their prospects- in other words, despite signing FA, they have in no way abandoned their plan to build with youth. Signing Perez, Sheets, anyone to a deal beyond 1 year would destroy this plan.

  130. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    jennifer
    January 4th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
    td- did you also take note that Jeter (god) takes his gum out and toss is it to one of the other players so he can kick it. Yeah he looked really displeased about the jumping. What he did was equally as distasteful. even gross.

    XXXXXX

    LOL, You beat me to it. Also, Jeter and ARod have repeatedly said the kids “brought a lot of life” to the team. People need to lighten up.

  131. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    bodhisattva –

    Cano is Latino but Jones isn’t. I think Jones is from Curacao.

    Duh implying that could be racist when it has nothing to do with race (nothing to do with race was even implied) was bull**** itself, if not antagonistic. Yeah perhaps its theoretically possible the poster he was calling out could be thinking something racist in secret, but he wasn’t and it’s not fair to even suggest they could have been.

    But Duh’s since retracted ‘racist’ and replaced it with … ‘bull****’. Hopefully with a lesson learned.

  132. Yankee Trader January 4th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    “I wish Sam I Am would chime in and give us the definitive answer on whether Cashman should go after Jones or not.”

    Maybe Son of Sam, but no more Sam I Am

  133. Ed - American League, prepared to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 4th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    “Could he play CF as Mike Cuddyer coming back to take over RF.”

    Cuddyer might be moving back to 3B this coming season, so he could give the RF job to Span.

  134. PAT M January 4th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    3 1/2 Nick in SF…..This is not the same Dolphin team that closed out the last 8 games…..Even with all the mistakes they’re still in the game…..Eagles will throttle the Vikes..Take the crowd out of the game early…..What about the Cal Berkley Bears aa a home dog ???/

  135. Doreen January 4th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    boddhisatva -

    Haven’t seen any DL games. Just hearing the reports. And hoping. I like Melky, and always have. Except for baserunning speed I don’t see the an overall upgrade in Gardner. I’ve heard Melky’s routes to the ball are not that good, but one of side benefits of watching that Don Larsen game the other night? The announcer talking about how none other than Mickey Mantle’s speed made up for some “deficiencies” (my word, not the announcers) in the field. :lol: Moral of the story: No one is perfect.

    Listen, if the team is losing and the guys are dancing in the dugout or on the field, that’s inappropriate. But I’ve not really seen that. But even if you’re losing, does it mean you can’t find a light-hearted moment in a game? Please, it’s a loooooooooong season. And there’s enough pressure in Yankeeland as it is.

  136. Betsy January 4th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ira-1.html

    Thank goodness…….I’m glad it wouldn’t be on Monday, when all the media would care about would be the football games. By Tuesday, they will have talked the games to death and there will be a bit more baseball coverage.

    I’m sure Tex won’t say anything enlightening, but I don’t care. I just want to see him in pinstripes…

  137. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Todd
    January 4th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
    Guess I’m old school and feel a player should take his job seriously. I’m not saying players shouldn’t have fun while playing, but the goofball act wears thin, especially when the results on the field are less than desired.. Obviously I don’t want a player to get hurt running into a wall literally, but som effort should be shown when attempting to catch a fly ball (Abreau) or field a grounder (Cano, who was reprimanded)

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    Your judgement: “goofball act” is them just having some fun. They are young kids, feeling their energy, and having some fun. Endorphins buzzing around. Stuff like that. “Goofball” is your term for a form of expression that wouldn’t occur to you. But they’re not you. They’re them.

  138. Bob(The Original) January 4th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Why on earth would Minnesota trade Span?

  139. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    I’m all for young players having some fun, but there is a line between fun during the game and fun that detracts from your abilities as a player.

    Popping bubble gum? Be my guest.

    Coming to the ballpark with a violent hangover such that you have to be scratched? Not so much.

  140. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 4th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Well Oli does have the ability to pitch lights out so for a #4 SP under the guidance of Dave Eiland and Mike Harkey could be a steal, it’s either this trade for Jonathan Sanchez or sign Ben Sheets.

  141. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Pitt’s brother –

    Just a guess but Pete could have stirred something up on Jones just for amusement. Some of the stuff people post can get pretty incredible … see previous thread for example.

    Pretty simple – If he was actually in shape and cheeeeap it might be worth seeing if he could earn a spot w/no guarantees on a minor league deal. Otherwise, fugheddaboutit. Being that he’s not in shape, however, he’s not going to be any better than he has been (‘has been’ is also a good metaphor) the last 2 years.

  142. Ed - American League, prepared to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 4th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    “Why on earth would Minnesota trade Span?”

    one of this days, Smith will be high and trade him. if he does, Cashman should be the first in line. :D lol

  143. Nick in SF January 4th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    PAT M: This will be a real test for the Bears. I’m not sure they have an answer for Harden inside, but Montgomery has them playing solid team defense, especially at home, so I’m hopeful. If the 3 is dropping for the Bears it could be a great game. I had a Ravens/over teaser (sorry), I’m going to roll it over to the Eagles and Cal.

  144. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Doreen
    January 4th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
    boddhisatva –
    Haven’t seen any DL games. Just hearing the reports. And hoping. I like Melky, and always have. Except for baserunning speed I don’t see the an overall upgrade in Gardner. I’ve heard Melky’s routes to the ball are not that good, but one of side benefits of watching that Don Larsen game the other night? The announcer talking about how none other than Mickey Mantle’s speed made up for some “deficiencies” (my word, not the announcers) in the field. Moral of the story: No one is perfect.

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    Right, Mantle was not a “crack of the bat, straight line to the ball” kind of outfielder. But he knew how to utilize his tremendous speed.

    Really, Cabrera’s routes are fine. What’s not factored in is that a center fielder will play the percentages in Yankee Stadium. You cannot afford to let the area beat you, so you’re likely to play deeper than at other parks. If you play too shallow in the Bronx, you are a dead duck if the ball takes off behind you. There’s footwork that precedes pursuit of the ball because of it. Not everyone is Paul Blair, or Andruw Jones in his prime, or even Bernie, who got tremendous Joe D.-esque smooth backflight to the ball.

    After a disastrous and humbling introduction to the part of the outfield that always wins, Melky tooks his lumps and learned the ropes, and knows the territory extremely well, and is an excellent outfielder – not an average, non-instinctual CF with only an arm to boast. IMO, people who assess him this way don’t see live games and don’t understand what a good center fielder is, or what a specialty it really is.

  145. Andrea January 4th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    If anyone’s getting high and trading someone, I wish it would be in Cleveland for Grady Sizemore.

    Man I’d love for him to be a Yankee.

  146. Source January 4th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    There is no way Francessa or anyone allots much time to Teixeria. He spent less than a minute on the signing it self.

    And considering Teixeria is a bland guy, it’s not like they will dissect his quotes like they did for Sabathia and Burnett.

  147. Alex January 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Nobody said the PC was Tuesday, the writer was speculating. I’d imagine it would be later in the week after the physical results are in and they set everything up.

    They won’t give 24 hrs notice about the PC, they’ll give the writers and everyone more notice. Thursday seems like a good bet.

  148. Run Gardner Run (banned from PSD, Its Collusion I Tell Ya')) January 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    This is a borderline retarded idea, maybe its because im a little high, but what about Barry Bonds? We all know he hasnt picked up a bat for a real game in 15 months. But hes not going to cost more than 1 year and maybe like 5-8M. Im fairly positive the guy can still put up great on base numbers. Im really only saying this because people I have read on here still think the Yankees need more offense (dont know why really). But if your willing to get Manny for 3 years at 25M per season, then I honestly think Bonds shouldnt be out of the realm of possibility. My only problem with Bonds is the bullsh*t that would be brought into the club house (and Pedro Gomez reporting on his every move) but Manny would be brining just as much BS as Bonds. IDK I just think that with Bonds’ OBP and power numbers, he would be a better option for 1 year, than Manny for 3-4 years.

    Damon LF
    Jeter SS
    Bonds DH
    Rodriguez 3B
    Teixiera 1B
    Nady RF
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Gardner CF

  149. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    ^^^

    Sorry, by footwork I mean you sometimes have to kind of find or feel your spot with your feet and THEN go get the ball, unless you’re just one of those super elite players, which he isn’t.

    It has nothing to do with taking a “wrong” first step and having misjudged the ball. It’s a precautionary thing to re-establish where you are.

  150. 7 UP January 4th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Brandon – Exactly.

    Perez would be a steal if he could be had on a 2 yr deal or something.

  151. Doreen January 4th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Well, Bonds just had hip surgery. Although they did say he could be ready for opening day. :roll:

  152. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Rebecca I’d add to that the choreographed handshakes & high fives. Too much of it going on and becoming routine, even when the team is behind. Call me old school but a hand slap, a chuck on the shoulder, a slap on the butt or something along those lines is still professional. Having fun & doing it enthusiastically is fine too. But even a fraction of the stuff you see in football is a real turn off.

    High fives started as something bordering on showboating long ago, but they became as common & casual as a regular hand slap so it’s accepted. Even real professionals like Jeter or Ripken indulged in high fives … no prob there. Just don’t choreograph a sequence of slaps & shimmies and make a show of it. It gets classless real fast.

  153. NY TOM January 4th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    If you have listened to WFAN over the past few years, you know that Football is king everyday in January while the locals are playing. Between the Giants and the Jets HC search as well as the other games upcoming and the fall out from the ones from this weekend… there will be no substantial baseball talk on the airwaves. Nor should they be.

  154. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Run Gardner Run

    ‘Borderline’????

  155. 4 x 4 January 4th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Doubtful that Hughes will ever be as good as Oliver Perez

    Lefties who throw in the mid 90s with strikeout potential who are only 27 are not common. Not to mention, this guy steps his game up when it counts the most. Look at his numbers within the division, vs. NYY, and in the playoffs.

    He is not as bad as people are making him out to be at all.

  156. Doreen January 4th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Couldn’t it be said that the highly choreographed high-5 thingies are a way of bonding? I don’t know. There’s too much real stuff to worry about. Timing is everything.

  157. Frontier January 4th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Perez did start game 7 of the WS and pitched well late in the season 2 years in a row for the Mets.

  158. vtred January 4th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    They might just decide to piggyback Yankees Hot Stove and the Teixeria PC on Thursday, just like they did with CC and AJ.

  159. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    Grady Sizemore is a franchise player for Cleveland.

    It’d cost us Jackson and Betances and Montero to get him. Shapiro isn’t an idiot; he got LaPorta for Sabathia

  160. dan 771 January 4th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    ummm source, who said the media will talk about the teixeria signing?

    whats there to talk about anyway? francessa and kay might give a minute on it, thats about it.

  161. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Doreen it just bugged me to see Cano & Cabrera doing that stuff when they were batting .150-.220, the team was behind in the game, and the team was desperately behind in the standings.

  162. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    If its about bonding, they should try bonding by getting some hits & winning some games.

  163. Run Gardner Run (banned from PSD, Its Collusion I Tell Ya')) January 4th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Well, Bonds just had hip surgery. Although they did say he could be ready for opening day.

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    Run Gardner Run
    ‘Borderline’????

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    Idk, if hes healthy, I just think he makes more sense than spending 5x more on someone with the same ego problems. The only difference imo is 15 months of inactiveness and Bonds bats lefty as opposed to Manny batting righty. IDR if Girardi has the same OCD that Torre had with liking the Lefty, Righty, Lefty, Righty through the lineup issue. But IF which at this point its VERY doubtful, we got Manny, when a lefty is pitching we would have at least 4 righty batters in a row with Jeter, Teixiera/Manny, Rodriguez, Manny/Teixiera, then possibly Nady and Posada too. Seriously though, I very well may be talking out of my ass at this point.

  164. Doreen January 4th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    ANSKY -

    I do understand that. Frankly, there are times I love it, and times I’m not so sure about it. But on balance, K’d rather have guys who are enjoying themselves. I do agree that everything has it’s appropriate time and place.

  165. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    Yeah I’m all for the guys having fun, Doreen. Maybe a little of that funkier stuff might be fine after a winning a game that puts you in first place (not just a game that keeps you from dropping 3 games behind) but keep it reasonably professional. Now its too too too too routine.

  166. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    ANSKY
    January 4th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
    bodhisattva –
    Cano is Latino but Jones isn’t. I think Jones is from Curacao.
    Duh implying that could be racist when it has nothing to do with race (nothing to do with race was even implied) was bull**** itself, if not antagonistic. Yeah perhaps its theoretically possible the poster he was calling out could be thinking something racist in secret, but he wasn’t and it’s not fair to even suggest they could have been.
    But Duh’s since retracted ‘racist’ and replaced it with … ‘bull****’. Hopefully with a lesson learned.

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    Thanks, didn’t know Jones’ heritage.

    As for the other stuff, I myself am tired of what I consider anti-latino observations on here that posters think are well-disguised.

    The lexicon that includes “lazy”, etc. being applied, over and over again, to latino players is not a coincidence. And it won’t go uncommented on by me, and apparently, others who find it offensive.

  167. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    ANSKY
    January 4th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
    Doreen it just bugged me to see Cano & Cabrera doing that stuff when they were batting .150-.220, the team was behind in the game, and the team was desperately behind in the standings.

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    What would you have them do? Hang their heads and wail?

    I can’t buy that you can infer how they feel about their baseball responsibilities based on whether or not they exchange high-fives. I’d say you are assuming a lot.

  168. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Doreen
    January 4th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    Haven’t seen any DL games. Just hearing the reports. And hoping. I like Melky, and always have. Except for baserunning speed I don’t see the an overall upgrade in Gardner. I’ve heard Melky’s routes to the ball are not that good, but one of side benefits of watching that Don Larsen game the other night? The announcer talking about how none other than Mickey Mantle’s speed made up for some “deficiencies” (my word, not the announcers) in the field. Moral of the story: No one is perfect.

    Mantle wasn’t a naturl center fielder…he wsn’t even a natural outfielder. He came up as a shortstop. He exploded on the scene in ST of ’51 with 9 homers and about a .450 average, and Stengel wanted him on the team even though he’d never played above class C ball. Clas C ball is the equivilent to high A ball now. He played shortstop during the spring games because Rizzuto was hurt. He learned to play right field about 4 days before the season started. He was never a fluid Willie Mays center fielder, but, he was the fastest man in baseball and had a cannon for an arm. He made mistakes in the outfield, but, he was so fast he could outrun the mistakes.

    That ball that he caught in the ’56 Series wouldn’t have been caught by anybody else. He was playing over to the right of center field because they were pitching Hodges outside. He made a few errors but almost never threw to the wrong base. He was without a doubt the fastest ball player I ever saw, including Willie Wilson, BJ Upton and Carl Crawford, and probably the best bunter, too.

  169. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    Myrtyl Beach – Agreed, but only to an extent …

    Manny does that stuff and still looks like an idiot. And he’s a serious hitter. What’s Melky accomplished? Does he think it’ll look any better when he does it?

  170. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    ANSKY
    January 4th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
    If its about bonding, they should try bonding by getting some hits & winning some games.

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    Can you please explain to me how one thing precludes the other.

  171. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    bodhisattva – Perhaps there’s some assuming but way back in little league I was taught that it looks like you’re not trying to win when you goof around while you’re behind or not playing well. Of course you try to keep a good attitude and pick each other up, that goes without saying. HAnging your head isn’t the way either … are you assuming that’s what I meant they should do? What they do often doesn’t look like teammates slapping hands on the way in to the dugout, trying get each other going for their turn at bat after retiring the side, or for a big comeback. It looks a lot like goofing or taking it easy to me.

  172. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    Why wasn’t anybody whining about Cabrera when he was hitting .280 or Cano when he was hitting .310+? Nobody talked about them being lazy or impatient, then.

  173. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    myrtle beach
    January 4th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
    ANSKY, Melky’s out there to have fun, not win baseball games. I think that baseball and sports should be fun and that having fun helps win, but with Melky, he’d rather get to the dugout after his weak groundout so he can jerk around.

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    Right, that’s what he was doing when he leapt over the wall and caught Ramirez’s ticketed shot off Farnsworth – that’s what he does when he ALWAYS throws the ball in to the correct base. He wasn’t concerned with winning – just having a good time – when he threw Lofton out at the plate in the 2007 ALDS in Cleveland.

    He’s just some loopy, feel-good jerk having a good time.

  174. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    GreenBeret7
    January 4th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
    Why wasn’t anybody whining about Cabrera when he was hitting .280 or Cano when he was hitting .310+? Nobody talked about them being lazy or impatient, then.

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    Just a hunch, but no one’s going to try and answer this.

  175. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Sorry dudes I gotta go … work to do.

  176. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    So, if you hang your head, you’re really trying, but, if you high 5 a team mate, you’re goofing around?

  177. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Oh … bodhisattva …. it’s one thing to be hitting .280 or .320 but it’s different when you’re hitting .150 or .220. When a guy’s hitting .340 he could still show a sense of urgency once in while. When he’s hitting .200 and he doesn’t … well if you don’t see the difference, that’s not my problem.

    I do have to go now … sorry.

  178. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    bodhisattva
    January 4th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
    GreenBeret7
    January 4th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
    Why wasn’t anybody whining about Cabrera when he was hitting .280 or Cano when he was hitting .310+? Nobody talked about them being lazy or impatient, then.

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    Just a hunch, but no one’s going to try and answer this.

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    I just figured that I’d give somebody a chance.

  179. PAT M January 4th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Nick in SF…Dolphins turned the ball over 13 times all season, today they coughed it up what 5 times…Ouch…..GB7,,,I was too young to see The Mick in the 50′s when he dominating the game….It wasn’t until 1961 that I really started to understand the game and the talents that Mantle possessed….He was already on the downward slope by then….Many say the shoulder injury in 57 was the turning point as he never was the hitter he was prior to that injury….Sliding into 2nd base to breakup a dp, is that true ???? I just remember so clearly him hitting baseballs into the blue sky and disappearing only to land some 10 seconds later somwhere beyond comprehension……Tiger Woods hits drives like that, they disappear and land way beyond normal expectations…..

  180. Dano January 4th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    GB, bodhisattva-
    the thing is, in any sports, when all’s going well, smiles and backslaps come easy. what fans don’t want to see is that, when the hits dry up, they then perceive there to be a lack of effort from their previously .310+ hitting talents.

    rightly or not, when things are going wrong what most fans want to see is a serious, i-must-put-this-right approach to the game, and therefore the high-fiving in that scenario irritates rather than pleases.

    i don’t know if melky cares or not when he’s hitting .180 – but the smiles and high fives make it look like he isn’t trying as hard as he should to put it right…

  181. Andrea January 4th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    Rebecca: I know. Grady is their Jeter.

    But I still want him, and people were discussing what could happen if GMs got high…so I just threw it out there.

  182. Kevin January 4th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Anyone saying no to even a minor league deal is clearly biased. It’s not like our AAA team is teeming with OF prospects. The question is, as Pete said, whether he could do better. But considering the guy is 31, the Yankees would have absolutely nothing to lose by giving him a deal and an invite. Insurance for Gardner and Melky, two young and mostly unproven players, would not be a bad thing.

  183. Mike January 4th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    I’d like to see the Yankees take a chance on Olive Perez.. not Andrew Jones

  184. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 4th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    Option A – Andy Pettitte if he stops be a little …

    Option B – Ben Sheets at 2 yrs. or 1 yr. the an option

    Option C – Oli Perez but he will have to shut up and listen

    Option D – Aceves, Hughes, Coke or another emerging rookie arm

  185. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    PAT M
    January 4th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
    Nick in SF…Dolphins turned the ball over 13 times all season, today they coughed it up what 5 times…Ouch…..GB7,,,I was too young to see The Mick in the 50’s when he dominating the game….It wasn’t until 1961 that I really started to understand the game and the talents that Mantle possessed….He was already on the downward slope by then….Many say the shoulder injury in 57 was the turning point as he never was the hitter he was prior to that injury….Sliding into 2nd base to breakup a dp, is that true ???? I just remember so clearly him hitting baseballs into the blue sky and disappearing only to land some 10 seconds later somwhere beyond comprehension……Tiger Woods hits drives like that, they disappear and land way beyond normal expectations…..

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    When Shoendensdt fel on Mantle’s shoulder and tore the ligiments and seperated his shoulder, totally changed his left handed swing. Between that and the weak left knee gave him a severe uppercut. Until that time, there was almost zero difference in the swings. MLB.com has a game from the ’53 series in it. It was the sweetest swing outside of Williams and Musial. If you watch it, there’s also a two hop grounder to normal depth 2nd base that had Mantle crossing first base just as 2nd baseman was ready to throw the ball to first. He was faster than Wilie Wilson to first base.

  186. Todd January 4th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    Anybody remember when Melky was fielding a basehit bouncing toward him, while he acknowledged the fans calling out his name from the bleachers, and he misplayed the ball letting the runner take 2nd???????

  187. ray (sox fan) January 4th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    Andrea
    January 4th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
    Rebecca: I know. Grady is their Jeter.

    “But I still want him, and people were discussing what could happen if GMs got high…so I just threw it out there.”

    Andrea, in considering Sizemore I think the crucial question is who would you be willing to give up for him as Rebecca alluded to in her post?

    Some combination of Kennedy and prospects would not get it done in my opinion.

  188. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    ANSKY
    January 4th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
    bodhisattva – Perhaps there’s some assuming but way back in little league I was taught that it looks like you’re not trying to win when you goof around while you’re behind or not playing well. Of course you try to keep a good attitude and pick each other up, that goes without saying. HAnging your head isn’t the way either … are you assuming that’s what I meant they should do? What they do often doesn’t look like teammates slapping hands on the way in to the dugout, trying get each other going for their turn at bat after retiring the side, or for a big comeback. It looks a lot like goofing or taking it easy to me.

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    I’m not as sold that the poker faced ballplayer cares more than the guy who indulges in slap-and-leap choreography. Nor are these kids raised in the same little league culture you were raised in. It may not be taboo to high five eacother, even if you’re hitting .200.

    And I’ve never seen Melky jake it in the outfield. He’s always alert and knows where the play is. He had that one waving incident during roll-call.

    I have no evidence that Melky doesn’t care. I have no evidence that Cano doesn’t care. And I certainly am not going to assume they don’t care because they like to jump and high-five eachother. I’m sure if the baseball culture of the Yankees frowns on them behaving this way, they would have heard about it. The fact that they still do it, tells me the Yankees don’t care.

  189. E-Man January 4th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    Does anyone know when Yankee tickets usually go on sale to the public? I can’t find anything on yankees.com about it.

  190. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    Todd
    January 4th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
    Anybody remember when Melky was fielding a basehit bouncing toward him, while he acknowledged the fans calling out his name from the bleachers, and he misplayed the ball letting the runner take 2nd???????

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    Yeah, see my post. Happened once. Sorry to tell you, even if you repeat it a hundred times on this forum, it still only happened once.

  191. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    myrtle beach
    January 4th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
    i was not talking about melky’s defense, when melky was batting 280, i was still whining. it was an empty 280, batting average on balls in play is just luck 99% of the time. i want melky to take more pitches and not just go up there swinging for the fences.

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    Empty? Anytime you have a #9 hitter that’s knocking in 70 runs, scores nearly 70 and has 40 extra bas hits, that’s not empty.

  192. mike January 4th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    i’m not worried about our outfield situation . Matsui . Damon . Nady . Swisher . Melky , and Gardner.. I can live with that .

    its our 5th starter we need to focus on

  193. mike January 4th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    i’m not worried about our outfield situation . Matsui . Damon . Nady . Swisher . Melky , and Gardner.. I can live with that .

    its our 5th starter we need to focus on

  194. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    myrtle: The problem is, as much as I like Melky or as any of us might like Melky, he seriously regressed last year.

  195. orangeyouglad January 4th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    I’m a big fan of Melky Cabrera and the energy he brought to the team. Sending him down did nothing for Robbie Cano, either. I just can’t justify putting Gardner in center when Melky is such a good defender and a better offensive player. Sure, Melky isn’t fast on the basepaths, but he certainly isn’t slow either. Gardner should be on this team, but not as the starting Center fielder.

    I’m very content to go into the season the way we have things . Trading Nady for a solid bullpen arm and a few B prospects would be wise. He’s not quite the player he was last year and his stock is high. With our crowded outfield and DH spot, Nady seems to be the odd man out. Benching Swisher would be a bad idea because of his high OBP and energy. He’s got versatility, too.

    I’m content to not trade Nady and rotate the OF and DH spots (1B, too when Tex needs a rest). Swisher could be great in that role.

    Oh, and I’d love to get Rocco Baldelli to play 80-90 games in center. He’s a legit power threat, has speed, great arm, great baserunner, great defender. His disorder is becoming more and more manageable as they are clued in to what the problem is. He showed with the Rays that he could play every other day and he won’t cost much.

  196. Dano January 4th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    bohisattva-
    there’s a lot of love on here for melky and cano, imo. i know i for one really want them to do well this year. here’s hoping they recover previous form, high fives or not…

  197. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 4th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    Clint Eastwood shoots a bunch of thugs in this upcoming movie..Oh Boy..Com’on ! :lol:

  198. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Other than Rivera, Mussina and Damon, pretty much everybody regressed in 2008.

  199. Tom January 4th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    “The Yankees are making plans for a press conference to fete new first baseman Mark Teixeira, perhaps as early as Tuesday, according to baseball sources. ”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ira-1.html

  200. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Well, bodhisattva …. I’m not convinced a guy who dances with his teammates when he’s not doing so well is trying as hard as a guy who bears down once in a while when he’s not doing so well. You should look at it as there being little if any evidence that he’s caring. If I was Girardi I would have benched him and Cano sooner.

    They don’t have to be stone-faced, they just have to look more serious in general when things are not going so well in general. And of course they can still have some fun while they’re at it, but winning absolutely has to seem more important to them than the chumming around in the dugout. For long stretches at a time it hasn’t for a select few guys.

  201. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    Dano
    January 4th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
    GB, bodhisattva-
    the thing is, in any sports, when all’s going well, smiles and backslaps come easy. what fans don’t want to see is that, when the hits dry up, they then perceive there to be a lack of effort from their previously .310+ hitting talents.
    rightly or not, when things are going wrong what most fans want to see is a serious, i-must-put-this-right approach to the game, and therefore the high-fiving in that scenario irritates rather than pleases.
    i don’t know if melky cares or not when he’s hitting .180 – but the smiles and high fives make it look like he isn’t trying as hard as he should to put it right…

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    Again, there is nothing you provide of any substance to tie not caring about hitting .180 and smiling and exchanging high fives.

    May I suggest that you prescribe behavior based on what you are personally comfortable with to determine whether a player “makes it look like he is/isn’t trying.”

    I have been a season ticket holder for every year Cabrera has been here.

    He has never struck me as a lazy or non-caring player. He has some credit with me because he can really play center field.

    Furthermore, I am going to rely on my own eyes that tell me you cannot possibly be lazy and get to the amount of balls he does in Yankee Stadium.

  202. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Don’t get me wrong I like Melky & Cano … they just have to be more competitive than casual.

  203. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 4th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Tom do you read this board ?

  204. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    E-Man
    January 4th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
    Does anyone know when Yankee tickets usually go on sale to the public? I can’t find anything on yankees.com about it.

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    They’re still mired in the relocation process with season ticket holders, so it’s going to be a long wait before they even know what they have to release. So, I don’t think you’re missing anything.

  205. Tom January 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Brandon, I was in the Bronx all day visiting my 100 year old great aunt (she turned 100 today). Sorry if that was already posted.

  206. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    ANSKY
    January 4th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
    Well, bodhisattva …. I’m not convinced a guy who dances with his teammates when he’s not doing so well is trying as hard as a guy who bears down once in a while when he’s not doing so well. You should look at it as there being little if any evidence that he’s caring. If I was Girardi I would have benched him and Cano sooner.

    They don’t have to be stone-faced, they just have to look more serious in general when things are not going so well in general. And of course they can still have some fun while they’re at it, but winning absolutely has to seem more important to them than the chumming around in the dugout. For long stretches at a time it hasn’t for a select few guys.

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    Of course, you make no mention of Jeter laughing and smiling in the dugout when NYY is losing or standing on 1st base, blowing bubbles. He must not have cared that day.

  207. jennifer January 4th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    Brandon- I saw that movie it was very good.

  208. AROD fan January 4th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    I don’t consider myself a baseball expert and I appreciate the fact that many on this blog have far greater understanding of the game than I do.

    However, I find this obsession with psychoanalyzing the players really strange. If you are going to play professional baseball analyst on this blog, why not analyze the actual game? Why not talk about Melky’s swing or his catches? I suspect you would be much better at that AND you would have a lot more fun. But this attempt to micro-manage Cano’s and Cabrera’s emotions doesn’t sound like that much fun, and it borders on voodoo.

    In fact, you’d probably be more successful if you decided to take up a voodoo hobby to practice on the players. If you then report your trials and errors on this blog, I will find this far more entertaining than the “can we blame the whole season on the emotions of our prospects?” discussion.

  209. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 4th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Did he use the “Do you feel lucky…well do ya punk” line ?

  210. Nick in SF January 4th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    My “got melky?” t-shirt regressed a bit last season too, but I’ll bust it out again with joy if Melky makes a comeback. For your reading pleasure, here is a comment from Pete’s “What To Do About Melky Cabrera” post from last July 1:

    (with apologies to Oscar Hammerstein)

    He roams the field and scrapes his knee
    His uni has got a tear
    He waltzes through the dugout
    And whistles on the stair
    And underneath his nonchalance
    His head seems in the air
    I even heard him singing in the outfield

    He’s always late on fastballs
    But at least his effort’s real
    He’s always late on every pitch
    But on time for every meal
    I hate to have to say it
    But I may start to feel
    Melky’s not an asset to the outfield

    I’d like to say a word on his behalf
    Melky makes me laugh

    How do you solve a problem like Cabrera?
    How do you catch a cloud and pin it down?
    How do you solve a problem like Cabrera?
    And even worse, he slides to first! A clown!

    Many a thing you know you’d like to tell him
    Many a thing he ought to understand
    But how do you make him stay
    And listen to all you say
    How do you keep a wave upon the sand

    Oh how do you solve a problem like Cabrera?
    How do you hold a moonbeam in your hand?

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....ent-416884

  211. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 4th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    “Brandon, I was in the Bronx all day visiting my 100 year old great aunt (she turned 100 today). Sorry if that was already posted.”

    Tom no hard feelings. My incosiderate jerk moment has passed.

  212. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Tom: I wish her a happy birthday

  213. jennifer January 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Brandon- No I don’t believe so. :lol:

  214. Aaron(the better Aaron) January 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Brandon, why don’t you calm down about Tom posting that about Tex, pardon the guy for having a life and not being on the blog all day.. He moves off the comp, and has a life.. Unlike 94% of the people on here.. That don’t have friends1

  215. Todd January 4th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    I’ll analyze Melky’s swing……He has very little plate discipline, rarley moves runners over, and often overswings……Doesn’t hit the ball to the opposite field enough..

  216. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    ANSKY
    January 4th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
    Well, bodhisattva …. I’m not convinced a guy who dances with his teammates when he’s not doing so well is trying as hard as a guy who bears down once in a while when he’s not doing so well.

    XXXXXXX

    At the risk of sounding like a broken record (which, I’m sure I do at this point):

    I still don’t buy your premise that:

    “A guy who dances with his teammates when he’s not doing so well”

    is somehow mutually exclusive from:

    “…a guy who’s not doing so well who bears down once in a while.”

    Don’t you see? I fail to see the connection. I might ask:

    Why can’t “a guy who dances with his teammates when he’s not doing well”

    and

    :a guy who’s not doing so well who bears down once in a while..”

    be the same guy?

    Am I to conclude that:

    A). A GUY who dances with his teammates when he’s not doing well

    B). A GUY who bears down once in a while

    can never be:

    C). A GUY who dances with his teammates when he’s not doing well and bears down once in a while.

    If so, are you saying:

    D). A guy who dances with his teammates when he’s not doing well can never be a guy who bears down… not even ‘once in a while?’

    Have we exhausted the possibilities, lol?

  217. Wolf In Pinstripes January 4th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Andruw Jones? Heh. I’m going to have to go with a “no” on that one.

  218. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Nick: O. M. G.

    Why can’t we get you to do a guest piece?

  219. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Nick in SF
    January 4th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
    My “got melky?” t-shirt regressed a bit last season too, but I’ll bust it out again with joy if Melky makes a comeback. For your reading pleasure, here is a comment from Pete’s “What To Do About Melky Cabrera” post from last July 1:

    ————————————————————

    Did the shirt regress, shrink, or, did your stomach progess?

  220. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Jenn. don’t start.

    Aaron we’re going to leave it at that.

    Tom Happy B-day to your Aunt.

  221. Aaron(the better Aaron) January 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Todd that’s not analyzing a swing.. lol thats telling us what he does.. analyzing would be like his hips aren’t opening or he’s pulling his head.. haha you people don’t know baseball

  222. bodhisattva January 4th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    AROD fan
    January 4th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
    I don’t consider myself a baseball expert and I appreciate the fact that many on this blog have far greater understanding of the game than I do.
    However, I find this obsession with psychoanalyzing the players really strange. If you are going to play professional baseball analyst on this blog, why not analyze the actual game? Why not talk about Melky’s swing or his catches? I suspect you would be much better at that AND you would have a lot more fun. But this attempt to micro-manage Cano’s and Cabrera’s emotions doesn’t sound like that much fun, and it borders on voodoo.
    In fact, you’d probably be more successful if you decided to take up a voodoo hobby to practice on the players. If you then report your trials and errors on this blog, I will find this far more entertaining than the “can we blame the whole season on the emotions of our prospects?” discussion.

    Post of the day.

  223. Nick in SF January 4th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    GB: all of the above?

    Rebecca: I am in negotiations with Pete to submit something, but Sam I Am has set the comedic bar very high.

    Tom: Nice use of the Aunt-birthday card, harsh but effective!

  224. Todd January 4th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Guess I’ll leave analyzing Melky’s swing to the Yankee hitting coach. He’s having enough trouble correcting it (from both sides of the plate)

  225. yankeefan91 (sign manny asap hes getting cheaper lol) January 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    when the hell is teixeira getting introduced i hope is this week

  226. Tom January 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    That was my “unfrozen caveman lawyer” moment.

    Thanks for the kind words everybody. I’ll pass them along to my aunt.

    I’ll be sure to use it again because she has two “younger” sisters who are 97 and 95 respectively.

  227. Aaron(the better Aaron) January 4th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    why all of sudden the bashing on Melky ?? Watch some football losers, talk to you all later.. You got people on here complaining about Jeter smiling while losing.. Who the hell cares, haha.. I mean seriously, your going to lose games.. You people amuse me, i mean seriously. Why not bring out the Kemp/Cano talks again?? You know your all itching to do it, or the Jeter to Centerfield talks.. Do it. Here’s one that was good too.. A-Rod to SS,Cano to 3B, and Jeter to 2B. That makes complete sense, I forgot who said that.. But that was great.. and ohh yeah to cap off the conclusion..
    BRETT GARDNER SUCKS!!!!!!!!
    I want Melky to get traded, so he doesn’t have to deal with you people anymore..

  228. casual observer January 4th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    i think its worth the risk. even if we give up to mid level prospects. he is a great boom or bust guy. if JG and the rest of the staff can fix him he can help win us a WS if not what have we given up? 2 minor leaugers who probabky would have never made the team, or at least a positive impact on the team?

  229. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Enough with the 10 times a day post of “When’s Teixeira’s press conference”? I don’t care if they have one or not as long as he’s at first base and batting 3rd on opening day.

  230. Nick in SF January 4th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    So there’s another Aaron that’s worse?

  231. Aaron(the better Aaron) January 4th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Yeah Nick.. I actually like your points.. Unlike the others on here

  232. David January 4th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Don’t be so quick to dismiss. I am not advocating going after Jones but I would not be so quick to dismiss the idea. It is an option that deserves some thought, especially if he can be had cheap and on a minor league deal. In 2007 he hit 26 hrs, had 94 rbi’s and a GG. Over 13 seasons he has averaged 33 hrs and 100 rbi’s per yr. He will not be 32 until August 2009. Melky is a big question mark and Gardner is actually a bigger question mark. With Melky you get underachievement and inconsistency on the major league level. As far as Gardner, well it really worries me that a guy who’s whole game revolves around speed has problems bunting and hitting the ball on the ground. Let’s recall that last year two coaches and the manager were drilling Gardner on how to bunt. And please don’t talk about a GG for him, he has speed and a decent glove but not anywhere near GG caliber skills. I am comfortable with these two young guys going into the season at CF but an upgrade if desired so all possibilities should be examined.

  233. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 4th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    Note to Minnesota, just give to AP.

  234. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    I’m not going to split hairs on what’s defines caring and what doesn’t. If a player looks like he don’t seem to care, he deserves a kick in the butt. A young new player has to establish that he can play, he knows how to win, and he know WHEN its OK to lighten up. If I was coach I’d call each situation as I see it and bench anyone who couldn’t prove they wanted to play & win. A good coach shouldn’t just bench a proven guy like Jeter for laughing, but he shouldn’t let someone who’s unproven (or someone who’s proven themselves to lack focus from time to time) coast as much as Melky & Cano appear to.

  235. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Tom: Where the heck did they get their genes? *oggles jealously*

  236. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Nick is Aaron is right. Guys come on here and bash people and have zero knowledge of baseball. Its easy to say trade this guy but this guy here, sign this guy like its that easy to do and like it always works. Theres a reason Melky was brought up to the majors before Gardner was. Melky is younger than Gardner and both Melky and Cano are bout 1 year removed from when every1 loved them and wanted to build around them. People are going to have down years and adjustment periods need to happen for young players because teams and pitchers make adjustments now we will see how Melky makes adjustments in the next couple of years. Aaron actually knows baseball and doesnt just say comments without supporting them.

  237. Nick in SF January 4th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Thanks, Aaron, but you might want to consider the paradox of posting on this message board to insult people for posting on this message board. And, many of us can multi-task, I’m watching football *and* posting here.

  238. Tom January 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    “Where the heck did they get their genes?”

    Rebecca- OLD NAVY!

    http://www.instantrimshot.com/

  239. ANSKY January 4th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    If anyone doesn’t see the difference between someone like Pete Rose’s or Jeter’s approach to the game, and the approaches of Melky or Cano or Manny Ramirez, they should take a closer look.

    So Terrell Owens can play football. Does that make him look like less of an idiot when he does some act in the end zone?

  240. GreenBeret7 January 4th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Jones’ 26 homers, 94 RBIs and GG defense disapearered about the same time that his twin brother attached himself to Andruw’s body. You did fail to mention his .221 batting average and extra 50 pounds.

  241. RalphieD January 4th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    “I want Melky to get traded, so he doesn’t have to deal with you people anymore”

    lol…like he does deal with them

  242. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    Nick I know what your saying, I think is Aaron is frustrated because he would like people to make comments with some knowledge behind it and make some points to their thoughts.

  243. Andrea January 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    ray (red sox): I know you asked about an hour ago, but eh.

    There is no combination of players that the Indians would take for Sizemore. So I haven’t even thought about it. What would need to happen would be that everyone in Cleveland just goes out of their minds and decides to get rid of good players.

    OR, maybe, if the Indians’ front office decides they need to finance a broadway play….

  244. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Tom: LMAO!

  245. PAT M January 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    What’s with all the turnovers today ???? Nick in SF….UCLA covered by 1….I’ve been reading all the Melky comments..I think Melky suffered from a confidence issue in 08…He looked clueless early, started pressing, no Joe Torre to reassure him….I think all the dugout changes last season had a significant effect on the younger ballplayers…There was a sense of a security blanket in Joe Torre and his coaching staff….That was removed and the results were clear ….This not an excuse but it certainly had an effect….Change is not always easy for young players….Melky will bounce back and certainly will be ready for Spring Training…A bitter leasson served going back to AAA ball…..

  246. Tom January 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    Chad Pennington played like Brett Favre
    today.

  247. Cor Shep January 4th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    Is anyone else really pissed that the Yanks signed Burnett for 5/82.5 when now Lowe is getting 3/36 as his top offer. Shouldn’t we have waited for Burnett’s price tag to drop just like Lowe’s is now.. ugh.

  248. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Pat M: I agree with you, I said that all last season that Giradi had alot to do with the young players struggles. If Im wrong that I am sorry, but I thought part of his problems in flordia was with the Management yes but it was also because they didnt like the way he handled the young players on that team. If the Yankees do in fact what more from are Young players maybe he isnt the man to lead this team for years. I am not a fan of Giradi’s @ all. I say go get Buck Showalter out of ESPN and get him here. Like I said b4 this is a make or break year for him

  249. David January 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    To GreenBeret7, the point was he has had recent success and is still only 31 y.o. He is definitely a risk but as noted if he can be had cheap and on minor league deal it’s a no lose situation. Just something to consider and discuss. It wasn’t so long ago that few would touch Bradley with his attitude problems or Hamilton with his history but people can and sometimes do change.

  250. Tom January 4th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Lowe doesn’t have any other offers.

    The Braves offered Burnett 80 million over 5 years.

  251. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Lowe rejected that offer if you didnt see that and wants 16 mil a year and will prolly get around 13-15 mil a year. So if he gets a 4 year deal worth 60 mil or so cant really complain. I liked the idea of signing Perez to be the YANKS 5th though.

  252. Mike NYY January 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    How does Perez make any sense at all whatsoever?

    Sure, he has potential to be good but he`s probably just going to stay as a mediocore, below average starter.

  253. eckaechez January 4th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    this guys book looks great:

    http://zellspinstripeblog.com/.....ip-season/

  254. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Maks sense because he is a lefty first off, only 26 years old, had decent OBA last year, likes to pitch in big games and leaves it all out there, If we can not get Andy Id take him over others that will be left. Sheets is an injury risk. I said as a 5th starter not a #1 or #2 Mike.

  255. Dann January 4th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Cor,

    Cashman panicked— plain and simple.

    We can have Perez, Sheets, Lowe etc. for bargain basement prices on short term deals instead we have an old, injury prone Burnett a 5 yr deal.

    Our farm system is loaded with pitchers… a reliable innings eater who pitches big games like Lowe would have been a perfect short term option for 3 years.

  256. Nick in SF January 4th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    Well done Stew.

    Anyone who has a problem with Melky Cabrera, you deal with *me*, but because he’s not well right now. Leave him alone.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWSjUe0FyxQ

  257. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Finally, a real post! Jones s a guy I’m not going to call for but I wouldn’t be mad if they took a chance on him either. I’d love to have him if he’s focused and in a contract year he might be but more and more it seems Jones was a result of steroids. I wouldn’t be mad if he came knowing his potential but I’d rather sign Baldelli or go for a younger guy. How about a Jerry Hairston Jr.? I think he’d be a perfect UT man for us and he has the ability to play CF for us his season, if needed? Willie Bloomquist is another guy I’d consider in that hold as well.
    I know someone will get their stats and say Hairston and Bloomquist are no good but we’re talking bench players. I want a strong bench. During our winning years our bench was the difference a lot of the time. I think a strong bench is under rated in MLB.

  258. Sevendust January 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Burnett had dozens of suitors. A fiscally responsible, smart organization like Atlanta was going to give him 5 years. Every paper said the Red Sox were seriously interested in him for 4 years, as were the Jays, Cardinals, Baltimore among others.

    The price went up to 5 years because of Atlanta, but many teams were interested in him for 4 years. So it wasn’t really an outrageous contract. All those teams can’t be wrong, can they?

    It’s not like we bid against ourselves

  259. Chris January 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Melky/Gardner are NOT major league centerfielders – they are fourth outfielders and putting the two of them together between a backslash does not make a complete centerfielder. I agree with those that say start Damon even Swisher in CF and use Gardner as a late inning replacement. I disagree with the position that the offense will make up for Melky/Gardner. How about the offense and improved pitching can make up for having a below average defensive CF.

  260. BX 44 January 4th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    Burnett received 4 and 5 year deals from multiple teams.

  261. Chris January 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    My radical idea is to try to get Jeff Francouer from Atlanta for Nady plus. Francouer was terribly offensively last year but he has tremendous potential at age 25. Francouer also won a gold glove in 07. The hope is that Atlanta needs offensive consistency of Nady over the roller coaster ride of playing Francouer. Now Yanks bat him ninth let him play a gold glove rf and see if he can get his pop back. With gold glovers at 1b and rf, then the Yanks can live with damon or Swisher in cf defensively.

  262. Mike NYY January 4th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    Maks sense because he is a lefty first off, only 26 years old, had decent OBA last year, likes to pitch in big games and leaves it all out there, If we can not get Andy Id take him over others that will be left. Sheets is an injury risk. I said as a 5th starter not a #1 or #2 Mike.
    ______________________
    We still have Pettitte available though. Sure, Perez as a backup plan is fine but if the Yanks fail to get Pettitte over 1 or 2 million because they have Oliver Perez as a backup plan it`d be a mistake. I`d match the Mets offer for Lowe as well and hope I got lucky. I agree on Sheets. Before they signed Burnett I liked the idea but having so many injury risks in the rotation scares me.

    Pettitte still needs to be Plan A though

  263. Cor Shep January 4th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    I’m just saying would all of you rather have burnett for 5/82.5 on the spot or wait for Lowe and get him for 3/42-45??

    I’d muuuch rather have Lowe

  264. Mike NYY January 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    Burnett had dozens of suitors. A fiscally responsible, smart organization like Atlanta was going to give him 5 years. Every paper said the Red Sox were seriously interested in him for 4 years, as were the Jays, Cardinals, Baltimore among others.

    The price went up to 5 years because of Atlanta, but many teams were interested in him for 4 years. So it wasn’t really an outrageous contract. All those teams can’t be wrong, can they?

    It’s not like we bid against ourselves
    ______________________________

    All those teams were wrong on Pavano right? Insanity by consensus is still insanity.

  265. Mike NYY January 4th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    No interest in Franceour. He has worse plate discipline than Cano. If you`re trading Nady you`re getting a young pitcher, position prospects or a young catcher

  266. Nick January 4th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    People who compare Burnett to Pavano know nothing about baseball.

  267. Stew January 4th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    If you read Cashman’s comments, he already said he didn’t like Swisher’s defense in CF. If they wanted a bad fielding CF, why wouldn’t they just put Damon there? They wouldn’t because why would they spend the last month of the year plugging Gardner in there instead of Damon while desperately fighting for a playoff spot. Why would there be an almost deal for Cameron with Melky? I just checked the defensive efficiency for Melky last year, he was rated 8th for CF’s in the AL. People make it out that he’s a defensive dynamo, which is isn’t. That surely doesn’t overcome is lifetime career averages of .268 avg, .329 OB%, 61 runs, 53 RBI’s, and 8 homers. That’s a championship caliber CF? I think not. I’m telling you, they practically buried Melky in the minors at the end of the year. They don’t like him anymore. He won’t be the Yanks CF this year. I promise you that.

  268. Aaron(the better Aaron) January 4th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Nady’s the type of player that people were complaining about last year that we don’t have. Now we have him and you all want to trade him..

  269. Yank 83 January 4th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Lowe is not settling for 3/$36… some team is going to give him his 4/$64. Lowe just laughed off the Mets offer anyway.

  270. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Soul-”Would you agree that Damon in CF with Nady in left and Swisher in right is our best overall configuration in the OF?”

    I think so. And I hate Damon so it not like I’m saying he’ll be great in CF but… It sounds like they want to play Damon in LF though and despite Swisher not liking CF and not being that good at it he might be our starter. I’d rather have your configuration though because of a few reasons. 1, Damon’s arm is a liability but he can still cover ground and Swisher and Nady are both upgraded defensively in the corners to help cover Damon’s short comings. 2, Nady is penciled in to RF right now where he hasn’t played for 2 years and he’s better at LF. 3, Swisher can play any OF spot but is a much better corner OF and would be best served in RF with Nady in LF. Basically, I like your configuration and hope it ends up that way. …I also think Swisher will play well for us if he sticks around. IMO he could be a Scott Brosius type pick up for us and it might be swept under the rug because of CC, AJ and Teix. If he’s not traded Swisher could quietly be one of those non-all-stars that are important roll players for your team. ?Guys like that are just as important as the super stars.

  271. Chris January 4th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    I don’t trust the Yanks to bring back a good prospect when was the last time that happened? I don’t need OBP up and down the line up. Forget Gardner and melky. ANd why are we looking for another starter what about the great Phil Hughes? Start Phil Hughes and Joba and be done with it. No Perez no Pettite or SHeets or Wolf. Yanks refused to trade Hughes to get Johan so I want to see him start 25-30 games this year no matter what. Play him or trade him for Granderson!! and start Kennedy

  272. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Chris: Ever hear of a guy named Chien Ming Wang?

  273. Mike NYY January 4th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    People who compare Burnett to Pavano know nothing about baseball.
    ————-
    Its just an example of guy that a lot of smart teams were wrong on. Pavano was a freak happening that may never be replicated in his many unconnected injuries. Burnett is different.

  274. Guiseppe Franco January 4th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Sure, Perez as a backup plan is fine but if the Yanks fail to get Pettitte over 1 or 2 million because they have Oliver Perez as a backup plan it`d be a mistake. I`d match the Mets offer for Lowe as well and hope I got lucky.

    ————-

    How is Perez or Lowe a backup plan for the Yanks when both would require multi-year deals?

    It seems pretty evident that the Yanks have no interest in signing another starter to a multi-year deal with Hughes in the organization.

    Perez will almost assuredly get a 3-year deal from someone. It just won’t be the Yanks – backup plan or not.

  275. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    Someone who wants to trade Nady please give me a team and players?? I want to hear where hes going and who you would want back for him?? Lowe to Yanks can only happen if Andy goes to LAD or Yanks grow tired of him waiting and the Sox become a strong play for Lowe.

  276. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    No one in the Yanks orginazation has come out and said they are not giving a multi-year deal to a pitcher.

  277. Chris January 4th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    Chris: Ever hear of a guy named Chien Ming Wang?

    hmm…did they trade for him or was he just the best pitcher in Taiwan that they signed? did you ever hear of that?

  278. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    HEY AB!!! I have a trade: Cano and Nady for Kemp. THESE PEOPLE WOULD LOVE IT..haha

  279. Chris January 4th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Sabathia
    Wang
    Burnett
    Joba
    Hughes
    And there’s your rotation, why are we adding any other pitcher?
    Go ahead and trade Hughes then…

  280. Aaron(the better Aaron) January 4th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    im sure they’d accep

  281. mike January 4th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    i’d rather have Perez than Petite … I truley think Perez can thrive in pinstripes

  282. Mike NYY January 4th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    Just to be obnoxious….

    Cano+Kennedy for Kemp+Jones :P

  283. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    Chris that may the rotation in ’10 I just dont think the Yanks want to go into the year with Joba and Hughes in the rotation. I cant blame them either. Hughes is a great insurance policy for at least this year.

  284. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    Chris: IIRC, no one traded for Wang.

  285. Mike NYY January 4th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    Sabathia
    Wang
    Burnett
    Joba
    Hughes
    And there’s your rotation, why are we adding any other pitcher?
    Go ahead and trade Hughes then…

    Because injuries are a guarentee and besides that Hughes could use the AAA time.

  286. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    If anyone I could see the Yankees signing Sheets or Garland since they can be had for shorter deals because of te current market. I think both pitchers are un-appreciated.

  287. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    Just because the Yanks wouldnt trade Hughes for Johan doesnt mean he HAS to start Hughes is still so young, I think some time in AAA is very good for him and the Yanks, plus again he is an insurance incase someone needs rest during the year.

  288. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Mike NYY-Chill dude we’d all like to see Hughes and Joba in the rotation full time but their pitch counts just don’t add up enough. The smarter play is to hope Pettitte will bring his 200+ inning back for one more season and have Hughes in AAA t fill in when someone gets hurt. People have to remember Phil was brought up way too early and is still a youngster. He’ll be here and we can go with him if we need to but they’d of course rather have him and Pettitte instead of just him.

  289. Mike NYY January 4th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Chill dude we’d all like to see Hughes and Joba in the rotation full time but their pitch counts just don’t add up enough. The smarter play is to hope Pettitte will bring his 200+ inning back for one more season and have Hughes in AAA t fill in when someone gets hurt. People have to remember Phil was brought up way too early and is still a youngster. He’ll be here and we can go with him if we need to but they’d of course rather have him and Pettitte instead of just him.
    ______________
    Sorry if I came off harsh. Thats prety much exactly what I think.

  290. The Monarch January 4th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    As luck would have it, I found this bottle today and a genie popped out and granted me three wishes.

    My wishes:

    1) No Andruw Jones on the Yankees;
    2) No Andruw Jones on the Yankees; and

    3) No Andruw Jones on the Yankees.

  291. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    If/When the Yanks do sign another pitcher this off-season, you guys are still forgetting that its almost impossible for 5 guys to go all year. So Hughes will get some time up this year at some point. I think the Yanks just dont wanna rush him and “start” him off the year with the big club.

  292. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    I am not saying I am def in favor of signing Andruw Jones no way, but Can you people please back your statements with some what of baseball knowledge and just things like dont sign him.

  293. The Monarch January 4th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Donnie Baseball 23:

    I think the comments here go into great detail why they should stay away from Jones. I don’t need to reiterate what has already been stated about his declining skills, his putrid numbers last year, his declining range and concerns about his attitude, do I?

  294. The Monarch January 4th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Donnie Baseball 23:

    I think the comments here go into great detail why they should stay away from Jones. I don’t need to reiterate what has already been stated about his declining skills, his putrid numbers last year, his declining range and concerns about his attitude, do I?

  295. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    Donnie Baseball 23-Perfectly said.

    The Monarch-If you got 3 wishes why not have Jones?

    1) Andruw Jones on the Yankees;
    2) Andruw Jones thin & in his prime
    3) Andruw Jones kill Scott Borus but get off with an escape clause Borus put in his contract.

    LOL! Now those are Andruw Jones wishes! LOL!

  296. mike January 4th, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    We need that 5th starter . .whether its pettite or perez .. Its takes pressure off Hughes .. it gives him more time to develope /

  297. mike January 4th, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    We need that 5th starter . .whether its pettite or perez .. Its takes pressure off Hughes .. it gives him more time to develope /

  298. Mr Torre January 4th, 2009 at 7:29 pm

    Rotation has to be

    CC Sabathia
    Chien Ming Wang
    AJ Burnett
    Phil Hughes
    Joba Chamberlain

    i would invite Mark Prior and Kris Benson to spring training

    couple of bench guys i would like would be Alex Cora and Eric Hinske

  299. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Donnie Baseball 23
    January 4th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
    If/When the Yanks do sign another pitcher this off-season, you guys are still forgetting that its almost impossible for 5 guys to go all year. So Hughes will get some time up this year at some point. I think the Yanks just dont wanna rush him and “start” him off the year with the big club.
    ———————
    =Perfectly said.

  300. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    Yes Monarch you do actually. You can not have your own reasons for not signing Andruw Jones. Its not just about Andruw and not directed totally at you. Its a general statement.

  301. The Monarch January 4th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    gianthinker:

    Touche. :)

  302. Aaron(the better Aaron) January 4th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    no to jones

  303. gayle January 4th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    snl is doing a sports special right now and they just showed the derek, wells skit it is still too funny

  304. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    Thanks Gianthinker and at least you have some common sense bout the game of baseball. There are some guys/girls on here who bring it everyday and know there stuff which makes this blog fun and I know myself and the guy AARON want to talk baseball, and some people here really know whats going on some though just make blanket statements and make sarcastic remarks to show off. Peter works hard to bring us topics and news at least we could do is talk with some knowledge

  305. Joe from Long Island January 4th, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    Wang was signed out of Taiwan, and worked his way through the Yankees minor league system. At one point, Neil Allen taught him his signature pitch, the hard, sinking, fastball, that accelerated his development and ascension into the starting rotation. Since then, he has added a slider, which may or may not be a good thing (according to randy I on this board). However, it was good enough to dominate the Red Sox when he introduced it two years ago, I think; he positively blew the Sox away. Terry Francona, in his post-game comments, alluded to Wang’s maturation and development in the Yankee system.

  306. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 7:35 pm

    Man, the Vikings had a real shot and now the Eagles are gonna win….

  307. The Monarch January 4th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    Yes, I do actually? Huh?

    I’ll go into greater details when you explain what you’re talking about.

    I don’t want Jones. I highlighted the reasons that are explained in greater detail by others.

    And I don’t have to do anything, actually….but thanks anyway.

  308. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    I said MONARCH it wasnt geared towards you or Andruw Jones.

  309. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    Donnie Baseball 23-Totally agree. This blog use to be the best to come to and get some pretty reliable information. Peter would bless us with the interview tape and you KNEW what was real and what was not. Now we have trolls and blanket insulters and blanket statement makers all over this place. Its really too bad. We should have registered when we all talked about it a year or more ago. Anyway, the thing I hate now is you make a comment and get jumped on right away and then when you defend yourself everyone tell you to calm down! What kind of crap is that right? Anyway, nice to find someone to talk baseball with.

  310. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Plus if your going to say no to Andruw Jones, try using the fact that the Yankees have a surplus of OFs right now and if in fact he doesnt pan out you have no where else to put him and that $$$ could be used to sign Andy or use on another pitcher. That $$ could be use to make are bench stronger. To go along with the most obvious reasons that his stats are bad in 07 and the rumor that he isnt a great clubhouse guy and his decline in the field. Also that maybe the Yanks hope that Melky can turn it around and signing him would def end that and maybe for the Garders fans end his chances also.

  311. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    Totally agree Gianthinker. Ill be more than happy to talk baseball, and I know that not everyone is going to agree on this blog but thats what makes it fun to be able to get into discussions and share thoughts and opinions. I know AARON can make some strong comments but he also is one who knows alot bout the game, and there is alot of others on here too. I went away for while from this blog for the reasons you stated.

  312. Jeff NJ January 4th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    I think the fifth starter is already on the team, Alfredo Aceves. I know it was September, but he was impressive last year. Between Aceves, Hughes and the next guy, we can live without Andy or another high priced arm. In fact the ideal situation might be for Andy to pull a Roger and show up around July 1st as a mid season acquisition.

  313. pat January 4th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    So Eagles/ Giants it is next weekend.

  314. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    OOPS I meant Gardner my fault.

  315. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Donnie Baseball 23-You remember when Peter use to be in the comment section with us chatting back and forth? Those were the good old days, lol. He cant do that now. He gets 1000 comments on NOTHING subjects. He doesn’t need to deal with peoples none sense. He can over look it and see a trend and post something to put stuff to rest. He does that. But he cant really get in here and chat any more. The blog got too big for that. Oh well, I’m still down with this blog but its not the same.

  316. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Very good point. It would be nice to get a chat going with Peter and those who really know what they are talking about and those of us who have legit questions about the Yankees.

  317. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    pat-”So Eagles/ Giants it is next weekend.”

    Yep. As a Giants fan I’m not happy but at the same time it doesn’t matter. You play who you play. If you are going to be the champs you should beat who ever is in your way anyway. Westbrook wont have a game like he did against us last time. The Giants better come out hungry. We’re not good off of buys.

  318. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Jeff: what about Phil Coke? He was putting up some pretty decent numbers last September, too…

  319. Guiseppe Franco January 4th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    No one in the Yanks orginazation has come out and said they are not giving a multi-year deal to a pitcher.

    ————–

    Nobody in the FO has to tell us that they have no interest in handing out another multi-year deal. Their actions speak for themselves.

    Their #1 and most capable target for that last slot is Pettitte. He makes the most sense of all and would require a one-year deal.

    Their Plan B seems to be letting Hughes/Kennedy/Aceves battle it out for the last lot if Pettitte doesn’t resign.

    Lowe was off their target list the day they signed Burnett.

    All signs point to no interest in giving out another multi-year deal.

    We should all keep in mind that this Perez talk was one man’s opinion on how the Yanks should address their rotation. There has been no evidence at all that the Yanks are remotely interested in him.

    This will all be a moot point once Pettitte returns because that’s still the most likely scenario.

  320. Nick in SF January 4th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Giants vs. Eagles, it’s going to be epic!

    Will Teix stick around for the game?

  321. Andrea January 4th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    Is there really any Yankee fan who would disagree with the Yankees signing Pettitte to a 1 year?

  322. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    Donnie Baseball 23-Some of the mail box questions he gets now are outrageous! “Since Swisher is not a good CF why not move Teixeira to CF and play Swisher at 1B?” I made that up but you know what I mean. They make me laugh but they piss me off because Peter could be answering real questions instead of dealing with that stuff.

  323. Al from BK January 4th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    So Tex Press Conference on Tuesday? Sounds good I know Tex is a private guy so he likely won’t be as animated as Carsten Charles ;)

  324. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    Nick: Giants vs. Eagles? Think my brother, a die-hard Giants fan, and his best friend, an Eagles fan, will be able to survive that?

    Andrea: Some questions it’s best not to ask…

  325. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    “This will all be a moot point once Pettitte returns because that’s still the most likely scenario.”

    Absolutely.

  326. Peter Abraham January 4th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    Giant:

    Yeah, I never do that any more.

    :-)

    I’ll be honest, while the growth of the blog has been professionally satisfying, I do miss when it was smaller and more personal. But I answer every e-mail and I’ve had a chance to meet a lot of folks. I do think this blog is still more personal than most. At least I hope so.

  327. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    Pettitte will sign this week I think. Maybe next weekend.

  328. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    I am a huge Pet fan and hope he returns. It will be interesting how much longer the Yanks give him. haha Lets move TEX to CF sounds good to me.

  329. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Peter Abraham-LOL! Thats funny man. Hope your holidays were good. I said you’ll stop in but the growth has been amazing and I understand you have other things to do. Like say, write for the paper. Plus when you were trying to build it you had to put more time into it. Now you’ve established this place so it just is what it is. We love you. We’re loyal to you. We just cant stand this riff-raff.

  330. Aaron(the better Aaron) January 4th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    I would love for Pettitte to come back.. Phil Hughes could use some time in the minors..

  331. Tom January 4th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Peter, you sound like a rockstar lamenting the fact you play stadiums instead of clubs.

  332. George January 4th, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    nope. HELL NO!

    let ‘em go back to the Braves.

  333. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    It was a little different when I first started reading in 2007, but when this blog gets massive and it’s the #1 source for all things Yankees, I’ll feel that much more awesomer knowing that I’ve been a part of it for a while…

  334. joeman January 4th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    I said this would be a good idea about A Jones in one of the blogs comments the day the Dodgers said they didn’t want him anymore and was laugh at by many peeps…

  335. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    Peter Abraham-

    Well I don’t know what happened to my comment to you but thats funny you stopped in Peter! That made me laugh. Well played sir. I don’t blame you its just you cant possibly put in the time here like you use to. You’re not building it anymore. Even sites that badmouth you link you for breaking news. Its comical. But I do still love the blog and frequent it daily. I just cant stand the childish put downs and trolls that have over run us. I for one will register in a second. Thanks for the blogging though Peter I hope you had a great holiday season.

  336. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 8:18 pm

    Tom-
    “Peter, you sound like a rockstar lamenting the fact you play stadiums instead of clubs.”

    LOL! Exactly. But you have to admit there’s nothing like a small club acoustic concert of one of your favorite bands. LOL! Those un-plugged albums are off the hook. LOL!

  337. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Rebecca-You are awesomer. LOL. Great comment…LOL! I feel the same way. But there’s nothin’ like the real thing baby…there’s nothin’ like the real thing…. I still miss the interaction. That’s why I’m down for registration. A closed society would allow for more of that again.

  338. Leftjab January 4th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    Andruw Jones was an outstanding player during a time when nobody tested for steroids. Along comes testing and low-and-behold -Andruw’s bat (just happens) to slow down and he’s a step slower on ball hit into the gap. Funny? You tell me…

  339. PAT M January 4th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    Rebecca,,,I read your narrative in it’s original format…So very good….My next trip ( April ) to the Belmont area of the Bronx I’ll be thinking of your piece….Most enjoyable Rebecca….

  340. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    That’s crazy. All of the comments I labeled to Peter didn’t print on the blog. All of the other ones did. Maybe they went right to him. Hmmm. Thats pretty crazy. Gotta love the internet.

  341. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    Pat: If you visit any time in the next seven or eight months, shoot me an email–I’d love to grab lunch or some such.

    Thank you very much for checking it out!

  342. The Monarch January 4th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    I hope Pettitte returns, but I have a strange feeling that if he were coming back, it would have been done by now.
    That deal has been sitting on the table for awhile. I’m afraid that it’s become a matter of pride to him, and that paycut is too much for his pride.

    I hope I’m wrong.

  343. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    Donnie Baseball 23-I kind of give him a week from today. I figure the entire week will be enough to make it come to a take it or leave it. Pet clearly wants to pitch and clearly wants to pitch for the Yankees. The Yankees need his innings. It will get done. Honestly, we’d be mad at giving any other pitcher his age and health a deal like this if it wasn’t him but it is. I wouldn’t care if they gave him escalators to built towards the $16MM he made last season. I dont think thats unreasonable. If he earns it then he deserves it. He should take a pay cut but at this point we cant lose his innings over $6MM for 1 year. I cant see this going much longer.

  344. Dan January 4th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    He’s definitely worth a look, and if was willing (probably isn’t) to take a minor league contract, I’d be all for it.

    I’d prefer giving Gardner a shot over Jones, however.

  345. The Monarch January 4th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    And Rebecca,

    I don’t want to backtrack to that posting, but I’m a Fordham grad (and a history major.)

    I was on campus for a football game, and we went to Pugsley’s for some pizza. If you like pizza (who doesn’t it) and haven’t been there yet, do yourself a favor and try it out.
    And say hi to Sal behind the counter.

  346. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    Donnie Baseball 23-What are your thoughts on our bench? I think it needs an addition or two.

  347. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    Monarch: All right!

    I’ve found tons of great pizza in the area, and that says something, cos I can’t eat cheese so any time I get a pizza i have to ask for it with no cheese.

  348. gianthinker January 4th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    The Monarch-You might be right.

  349. Tom January 4th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    All these Fordham grads and students are making me feel guilty that I chose not to go there after I was accepted.

  350. Dan January 4th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    The Monarch,

    I like your name.Go Team Venture!

  351. The Monarch January 4th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    Rebecca,

    That’s too bad, but I’m sure Sal can take care of you at Pugsley’s. Enjoy the neighborhood. Arthur Ave is great. That area was ranked the safest in the city when I started college (late 80s.) Don’t know if that’s true anymore, but the restaurants there are great.

    And I spent many a night at the Tinker. Unfortunately, I think the Jolly Tinker is the only bar remaining from my days. Strange how the others went out of business after I left. :)

    Is Fr. Pascoe still around? I took two medieval history courses with him. He’s probably retired now, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was teaching a class or two.

  352. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Im fine with Andy getting a contract with bonus clauses in it, I agree that it wouldnt be ok to do with any other pitcher his age.

  353. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    The Monarch:

    The name ‘Pascoe’ isn’t familiar to me, so I doubt it.

    I’ve always felt incredibly safe around Arthur…basically, as long as you aren’t walking around by yourself at 3 AM and female, you’ll probably be okay.

    I feel safer here than I ever did at Syracuse…

  354. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    As far as the bench Im not sold on that part of the team just yet. I would like to see a utility vet on are bench like a Ty Wigginton but hes gonna get a starting job somewhere. Hairston Jr. I think wouldve been a perfect addition to this team to fill in at places during the year. I also would like to add some speed to the bench. If Swisher is on the bench than that is that power off the bench.

  355. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 4th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Giants vs. Eagles next week
    Knicks beat the Celtics

    Exciting

  356. EricNS January 4th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    No – lets let the homegrown guys battle it out and show the others in the farm system that they have a chance with the big club

  357. Donnie Baseball 23 January 4th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    I dont think they will add anything though I may be wrong, but I just see them adding any more pieces besides Andy

  358. The Monarch January 4th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Rebecca,

    I guess that shouldn’t surprise me. I would imagine he’s in his 70s now, but he was the best professor I had in college and if you get the opportunity to work with him, I suggest it. His name is Louise Pascoe, SJ.

    I know I’m off topic here, but I have to share this…I did a paper in one of his classes (I forget the topic) and he gave me an A-. But he wrote on it, “Excellent. One of the best papers on the subject I have ever read.”

    I asked him then what I had to do to get an A. He smiled, and responded, “to hand in the BEST paper on the subject I have ever read.”

    Tom…that’s ok. Just as long as you didn’t go to Iona. :)

    giantthinker…again, I hope I’m wrong. But if he were willing to come back for $10M, I think it would have happened. The Yanks may need to make a concession, even a token one, to get this done. I would be ok with that, since it allows Hughes to start at Scranton and getting slotted in during the year, if and when an injury happens, and/or taking andy’s spot in 2010.

  359. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    SA: And the Devils won today, too!

  360. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    the Monarch:

    He sounds a little like Maryanne (she only got her PhD in the 80s so I doubt you’d know who I’m referring to)…scary.

    I’m still waiting for two of my grades, and so not used to this whole “A B is a failing grade” thing…

  361. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 4th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Oops. Can’t forget the devils.
    Gotta give them props for winning today.

    Exciting! :D

  362. MJR (Shut Up Steve Phillips) January 4th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    Why is this even being asked?!!!

  363. The Monarch January 4th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Rebecca,

    Is that Maryanne Kowaleski (sp?) ? She was there when I was there. I never had her in class, but I remember the name and she was certainly teaching classes at the time.

    There are some real characters in the Department there, but my focus were American and European modern history, so my I had classes with Cimbala, Wines, Jones…all of whom are probably retired now too. I took the 2nd course with Pascoe only because I enjoyed his first class so much and I had so much respect for him.

    Ugh…I feel old. 40 is around the corner.

  364. nyy4life4 January 4th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    I’m a diehard yankee fan and all but sometimes i wish they would take some more low risk chances. Brad penny for example, and now Takashi Saito. Andruw Jones would be a great signing if he comes for cheap.

  365. Mitchell January 4th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    I say if no one else shows interest by mid to late February, give him a shot on a minor-league deal. From what I’ve read, he most likely is truly only 32 and at that age, he could bounce back. If he loses weight, he could be a decent backup and a possible starter if Gardner and Melky struggle…

  366. Mitchell January 4th, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    Rebecca, Monarch,
    You guys went/go to Fordham? I’m a freshman there.

  367. 86w183 January 4th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    there’s no question Andruw should have a ot of baseballin front of him, but if getting hugely overweight isn’t a sign of indifference I don’t know what is.

    I’m fine with six guys sharing four jobs (OF plus DH). the biggest issue/concern about the bench has to be iddle infield. Don’t be confused aobut Ransom who is a journeyman at best… they need a guy with an excellent glove who can be there for an injury… Hairston would be fine.. David Eckstein makes a lot of sense to me

  368. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Monarch: YES! OMG!

    She is like….

    I don’t know how to explain it, but dude, she’s my adviser.

    Like…I can tell you the number of fisheries in nottinghamshire in 1086. WHY I need to know this, ever, I don’t know…

    (I don’t know if the County Questionnaire existed when you were there or if you’re familiar with the grad assignments…)

  369. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    Mitchell: I’m a Master’s student.

  370. The Monarch January 4th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    I doubt Jones will revert to the Andruw Jones of five years ago. But if they bring him aboard, it’s hard not to play him and would require them to either block the development of a young player (Gardner and/or Cabrera), require the trading of one of other outfielders or decrease the possibilty of acquiring a more viable option for CFer.

    I’m all for low-risk, high reward signing but I view Jones as more of a low-risk, and low reward signing.

  371. Katie January 4th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    I just read on fan nation truth or rumors that Pavano only wants 2 million next season. I know he was the worst signing by the Yankees but what if we gave him that if we cant get Pettite and have him as back up or something?

  372. The Monarch January 4th, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    Mitch,

    I’m FC, 1991.

  373. Anthony M, January 4th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    Andruw Jones, Melky Cabrera, or Brett Gardner or not solid options. I would trade Melky Cabrera for a bag of baseballs – I cannot stand him.

  374. hardwired January 4th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Andruw Jones will ruin Edwar Ramirez.

  375. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Edwar Ramirez could use the weight, y’know…

  376. Chad January 4th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    When Jones gets released, why not offer him a minor league deal with an invite to ST and let him battle it out between Gardner and Cabrera.

    If he makes the club then he gets a mucher larger salary.

    Nothing ventured…nothing gained..

    I find it hard to believe he is cooked at the age of 32.

  377. Nick in SF January 4th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    Andruw Jones couldn’t even find Edwar. Blink and you miss him.

    PAT M: Great cover, I mean, great win by the Cal Bears. I think the center of Pac-10 basketball gravity is somewhere near the Grapevine.

  378. jennifer January 4th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Chad- He is cooked cause he is off the roids. Go to baseballreference.com He has been awful for a few years. He is playing awful right now in the Dominican league. This while knowing that he is ‘showcasing’ himself to other teams.

    I get the feeling he doesn’t care anymore. He made his millions and he could case less.

  379. Yankee Batboy January 4th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Andruw Jones? Seriously?! Even if Jones slashes his price tag, any of our current outfielders would be more productive in comparison to the price of the contract. We must all be running out of things to talk about. Now that the Yankee front offices re-opens Monday 11/05/09, hopefully there will be far better entries and rumors to follow. it’s getting BORING:\

    I am looking forward to Tuesday’s Yankees press conference to officially announce Mark Teixeira as our newly acquired 1st baseman. I’m very interested as to what he has to say.

  380. PAT M January 4th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Nick in SF,,,,It turned out to be a profitable weekend…Lost on the Dolphins, but bounced back with UCLA, Iggles, and the Cal Berkley Bears….As mentioned before I think the Bears are for real…..UCLA is loaded once again….Bears are a Sweet 16 theam come March….

  381. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    *crickets*

    So, uh…

    Anyone excited for the Watchmen movie?

  382. DT January 4th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Yes. Jones used illegal enhancements. You can look it up.

    Oh wait. That was Marion.

    It’s sad that any player in today’s age that falls off in performance is automatically linked to PED’s.

    Could he have been? Sure. Does it look suspicious? Maybe – But I’ve never seen his name mentioned in any report.

    Good thing PED’s were not in our vocab back in 1965. They would have thrown the whole Yankee team under the bus after their performance.
    (5 straight World Series appearances than 25 games out of first? – Yeah, must be PED’s)

  383. Dan January 4th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    “So, uh…

    Anyone excited for the Watchmen movie?”

    Yes. Can’t wait. Based on the previews, it looks like they did a wonderful job of casting the main characters. I just hope they keep the ending straight.

  384. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    Dan: Alas…I’ve heard some, uh, less than appealing things…

    Still, though…I need to reread the novel…

  385. Dan January 4th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Rebecca:

    The film will never be as good as the novel, but with the way cinema is now, it actually feels good to get excited about a movie. I mean, the last thing I saw in theaters was the Dark Knight, and that was five months ago.

    Hey, at least LOST comes back in a few weeks.

  386. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

    Dan: There’s bneen some good stuff since then, though TDK was still my favorite of the year.

  387. Dan January 4th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Rebecca: Slumdog Millionaire looked pretty good, as did Gran Torino, but ticket prices are pretty steep. I’m a rental guy for now, unless I really want to see the move.

  388. Old Ranger January 4th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    CB.@11:54 AM
    It’s very possible that both Melky or Gardner could only get on base at a .300 rate. That means they’re making outs 70% of the time they are up. That’s just unacceptable for a team that is focused on winning the world series.

    The more outs Melky/Gardner make the fewer at bats Damon, Jeter, Tex and ARod get. Over the course of a season it makes a difference.
    ———————————————————–
    Before you write how bad Brett/ Melkey are, you may wish to check out Melkey in winter ball and Bretts’ 2nd call-up stats as well as his projections.
    Melkey has done very well in the winter league, just maybe he can put up good/avg., numbers this year.
    Bretts’ projections are around; .281 BA/.393 OBP/.400 Slg/ .795 OPS…after his call up (2nd time) he was over .300 BA and was the best clutch hitter for those few games (to small sample, but all we have). You may want to rethink, maybe?

  389. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 4th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    Dan: Slumdog Millionaire was excellent. Even my brother, who’s into explosions and Old School/Eurotrip-type comedies really liked it.

  390. YankeeRay January 5th, 2009 at 12:05 am

    Just for the record, I think Harold Reynolds sucks on the Hot Stove show.
    He seems misinformed on many topics, is too quick to interupt the analysts when they are trying to make their points and is trying too hard to be the lead on a show where others have as much or more talent than he has.

    JMO

  391. Nick in SF January 5th, 2009 at 12:08 am

    Slumdog Millionaire is great and probably worth seeing on the big screen unless you have a very nice home system. It might not be quite as cinematically revolutionary as has been advertised here, though (not by anyone currently commenting, btw).

    PAT M: Sweet 16? That would be sweet indeed, I think Cal was picked to finish around 8th in the Pac-10 by most. The last time they made the sweet 16 was Ben Brauns’s first year as coach, as I recall. Anyway, it’s been a while. With Tedford and Montgomery coaching in Berkeley, this is as good a time to be a Cal fan as any since… the 50′s, I guess. Go Bears!

  392. Old Ranger January 5th, 2009 at 12:11 am

    Sevrx
    January 4th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
    A motivated Melky is a much better baseball player than Gardner. Better arm, better defense, more power, higher average, etc.
    Melky is better than Gardner in every facet except speed.
    ——————————————————-
    Have you seen these guys play baseball at all, or even read anything about them…like maybe a scouting report?
    You are wrong in every part except the arm and power, as a lead-off type player, Brett doesn’t need HR power, he needs GAP power…which he has. As far as the arm goes, not a problem there either, his arm is avg.
    So basically you like Melkey in CF, because you like him as a player…just as I like brett better then Melkey, difference in opinion I’d say, nothing wrong with that.

  393. CB January 5th, 2009 at 12:12 am

    “Before you write how bad Brett/ Melkey are, you may wish to check out Melkey in winter ball and Bretts’ 2nd call-up stats as well as his projections.”

    I’m well aware of what Melky is doing in winter ball. And after following how players do in winter ball year after year I also know that the correlation between winter ball performance is extraordinarily weak due to divergent nature of the competition.

    So, no I’m not going to rethink Melky’s performance based on 93 at bats against what amounts to AA to AAA pitching.

    Winter ball stats are less meaningful than spring training stats.

    Much more meaningful than 93 at bats against sub-major league pitching are Melky’s 1400 major league at bats where he has a .268 BA/ .329 OBP/ .374 Slg % and a career OPS+ of 84.

    I’ve also looked over Brett Gardner’s projections extensively. This includes his CHONE, Marcel, CAIRO, and Bill James Projections. The yankee’s ZIPS and PECOTA projections are not available now.

    Before you start quoting Brett Gardner’s projections you might want to do some research on the nature of statistical modeling and projections, including their limitations with respect to external validity.

    If you did then you’d know to be extremely skeptical of projections for major league performance that are either heavily weighted by minor league data and/or based on small samples of major league experience due to issues related to limited external validity and model construction. This is particularly true of models that are largely atheoretical – which most baseball projections models are.

    Citing Melky’s winter ball numbers and Brett Gardner’s statistical projections as evidence for how the team should be distributing risk across its roster and allocating resources is a very good example of how statistics are misused in baseball all of the time.

  394. myrtlebeachfan January 5th, 2009 at 12:15 am

    We do not need another center fielder, but it would be nice. Gardner is not the player that many people think he is. Melky is a better player than most people think he is, and Rocco Baldelli would be a good option to consider to platoon with either Melky or Damon and Swisher.

  395. ANSKY January 5th, 2009 at 12:32 am

    So is tomorrow’s guest blogger going to be on a pro-Manny vendetta?

    If so I better brush up … I haven’t had a good rant on that subject for a few days now.

  396. ANSKY January 5th, 2009 at 12:33 am

    I spoke too soon … never mind.

  397. ttk73 January 5th, 2009 at 12:41 am

    why people don think Swisher will be a “OK” CF

    Melky Cabrera
    Pos G PO A E DP FP lgFP
    CF 131 346 14 4 1 .989 .989
    CF 117 272 7 4 1 .986 .989

    RFg lgRFg RF9 lgRF9 GS Inn
    2.75 2.42 3.02 2.71 117 1072.7 (2007)
    2.38 2.35 2.58 2.71 109 973.7 (2008)

    Nick Swisher
    Pos G PO A E DP FP lgFP
    CF 59 139 1 2 0 .986 .989
    CF 70 138 2 4 0 .972 .989

    RFg lgRFg RF9 lgRF9 GS Inn
    2.37 2.42 2.62 2.71 57 481.0
    2.00 2.35 2.35 2.71 69 535.3

    Brett Gardner
    Pos G PO A E DP FP lgFP
    CF 22 53 4 0 0 1.000 .990

    RFg lgRFg RF9 lgRF9 GS Inn
    2.59 2.35 3.19 2.71 17 160.7 (2008)

    the fild number when Swisher in CF postion looks not so bad.

    and their ops+ in these three years

    Brett Gardner 24
    2008 ops+ 58

    Melky Cabrera 23
    year ops+
    2006 95
    2007 89
    2008 68

    Nick Swisher 27
    year ops+
    2006 125
    2007 127
    2008 92

    I think Swisher can share job with Damon..

    with Swisher in our lineup..
    pitcher may feel more pressure to face us.

  398. Old Ranger January 5th, 2009 at 12:50 am

    CB
    January 5th, 2009 at 12:12 am.
    ————————————————————
    So, you are a stat guy, nothing wrong with that.
    Just don’t let stats tell you how to think or see. If you watch smeone play enough, as I have With Brett, you can see things that stats don’t tell you. I’ve seen him play in untold number of games in AAA, AA, etc., for awhile now. The guy is a 2nd call-up type of player, he takes time to make adjustments to the level of ball he is playing. When he does make the adjustment, his numbers are good enough to have him as your lead-off hitter and CF. Now will his numbers be good enough to play CF for the Big Boys…not even the best stats in the world can tell one that. Example; Roger Maris hit 61 HRs right? Show me any stat in the world that pointed to the fact he had the talent to do that!
    Use the stats to help your head and eyes. If you have only seen them play on TV, then of course you have to go by stats only.

  399. CB January 5th, 2009 at 1:01 am

    “Use the stats to help your head and eyes. If you have only seen them play on TV, then of course you have to go by stats only.”

    I never go by stats alone. Anyone who knows statistics thoroughly knows not to do so.

    What’s ironic about you bringing this up is that it was you in fact who cited statistics as evidence for both Melky (his winter ball stats) and Gardner (his second call up stats and
    projections).

    You were going by his statistics. You were the one inappropriately touting Gardner’s projections.

    I’ve followed Gardner since they drafted him out of the university of charleston. He has very limited hitting tools as he doesn’t drive the ball with authority. He just doesn’t. In addition, every scouting assessment I’ve ever seen on him pegs him as a fourth outfielder or a borderline starter on a bad team. So those are the assessments of professional talent evaluators.

    There are some prospects who you can write into the starting line up on a decent to good team. Jay Bruce was one last year. Matt Wieters will be one this year. Austin Jackson will hopefully be one of them in 2010. Brett Gardner is simply not in that class due to his limited hitting tools.

    I hope he and Melky have tremendous careers but given their talent and past performance there is a very large chance that they will struggle this year and make outs at a very high rate.

  400. Matthew Cohen January 5th, 2009 at 2:44 am

    In a word … no

  401. joeman January 5th, 2009 at 9:12 am

    at a discount wouldn’t David Eckstein be a better utility player than Cody Ransom for the infield ?

  402. Old Ranger January 5th, 2009 at 10:00 am

    CB
    January 5th, 2009 at 1:01 am
    “Use the stats to help your head and eyes. If you have only seen them play on TV, then of course you have to go by stats only.”

    I never go by stats alone. Anyone who knows statistics thoroughly knows not to do so.

    What’s ironic about you bringing this up is that it was you in fact who cited statistics as evidence for both Melky (his winter ball stats) and Gardner (his second call up stats and
    projections).

    You were going by his statistics. You were the one inappropriately touting Gardner’s projections.
    —————————————————-
    CB…1st of all, you are one of the 12/15 top posters on this blog. That is why I questioned you. Sorry to have misjudged your use of stats. Most stat people just throw stats out as the end all to any discusion. That is why I put them out there.
    Have you been watching Brett play in PERSON, is the big question? Following someones progress and watching them in person are two different things. I’ve seen a plethora of his games over the years, that is what I do all summer…other then fishing.
    If you have, you will have noticed he is (after working with Long) using the lower half of his body when hitting. Before, he only slapped at the ball. Again, if you look at his 2nd call up, or watched him play you may have noticed it.

  403. Ramondo Stallings January 5th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    It absolutely amazes me that AJ has let himself go to the point of becoming a scrub. Do you remember him in the World Series in 96? He was a beast and his future looked so bright. Now at 32 he should be working on becoming a great to HOF player but instead he has fallen bad. Do I want the Yankees to give him a shot…NO but I do hope he sees that he has come to the “crossroad” in his career. He is wasting his God given talent and as my mom use to say “you better use it or God will take it away”! Lets hope that he finds himself back to being a productive player…well productive against other teams not the Yanks.

  404. Irabu's Son January 5th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    TRADE FOR RANDY WINN

  405. BrooklynPaulie January 5th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    No way!!!! This guy wouldn’t be worth the league minimum if he produced, both defensively and offensively, as he has the past 2 seasons. Funny how his performance has suffered since MLB had its “come to Jesus” reckoning with the steroid issue.
    Another thing floating around out there is the possibility that the Yanks could be interested in trading for Aron Rowand. Why??? The guy is a good defender, but lacks the plate skills to justify such a trade. Give Melky and Gardner a shot. They could both offer the same as Rowand, playing the position well while offering uncertainty at the plate.

  406. Mike January 5th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Paulie . Rowand is better than Melky and Gardner put together . As for Jones. . i don’t see the harm in giving him a minor league contract . . and rolling the dice . can’t hurt

  407. Ryan January 5th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    ANSKY… Same as the poker player?

  408. Anthony January 5th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Why not take a shot on Andruw Jones what do the Yankees really have to lose? Give him a minor league deal see what he has to offer in spring training. Maybe he has a little motivation in him after being such a bust for the Dodgers and can get back to his old form. It’s not like the Yankees haven’t wasted money before!

  409. DaJaun January 5th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    The Yankees will still suck next year.

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