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Duncan designated; Coke to start

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 06, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Two other things from today (via Sam Borden):

The 40-man roster move was Shelley Duncan being designated for assignment. … Brian Cashman said Phil Coke has been told to prepare to come to camp to work as a starter.

No surprise with the first move. Here’s hoping that Shelley gets a shot someplace else. I think in the right situation, he’ll help a team. It might be a few hours before the Cardinals sign him. … As for Coke, it only makes sense to give a young left-hander every chance to start. At worst, you build up his arm strength. It’s easier to go from the rotation to the bullpen than the other way around.

So unless Pettitte signs, the No. 5 starter candidates are Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Alfredo Aceves, Jason Johnson and Coke.

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113 Responses to “Duncan designated; Coke to start”

  1. harwood January 6th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Coke to start = fantastic

  2. Laura January 6th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    DFA Duncan was a no brainer. He can’t help us. I think we are asking for trouble relying on those candidates for the 5th spot. Andy needs to come to his senses and jump on board this train because it’s leaving the station and the next stop is title #27.

  3. Stephen January 6th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    How will Michael Kay deal with not being able to drone on and on about Duncan’s fist pounds anymore?

  4. Dan January 6th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

    I hope Shelley finds a job in the majors somewhere – he really is a terrific guy.

  5. Patrick January 6th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    I doubt Coke will stick as a starter. Might as well give him a shot though.

    Coke has higher velocity as a reliever, he sits at 90 as a starter. I fully expect Coke to be in the bullpen at some point this season.

  6. Jeff NJ January 6th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    I like Coke, but I liked the idea of having two lefties in the pen. Maybe it will still work out that way.

  7. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 6th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Anyone else think Andy will be coming back after not too long with his tail between his legs wondering if the $10 mil is still on the table?

  8. saucY January 6th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    so which recent ex-yankees will get booed or cheered when they return to the stadium? Giambi ? Pettitte ? Pavano ? Abreu ? Duncan ? who else ?

  9. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 6th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Bye Shelley

  10. Bryan January 6th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Pete- Who do you consider the front-runner out of those five pitchers you named as the potential 5th starter? I would go with Hughes, with Aceves close behind.

  11. harwood January 6th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    “I doubt Coke will stick as a starter. Might as well give him a shot though.

    Coke has higher velocity as a reliever, he sits at 90 as a starter. I fully expect Coke to be in the bullpen at some point this season.”

    Id like to see them try at least. He can always go back and probably will. Andy refusing to come back could be a blessing in disguise for Coke.

  12. wood is good January 6th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    Shelley deserves another shot with another team. He can definitely help the Cards!

    I like the Coke move a lot. I’m not 100% convinced going into the season with our 5 slot still fuzzy is smart, but one could argue at least ONE of those five can eventually hold down the slot. (Paging Phil Hughes….)

  13. Laura January 6th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    “so which recent ex-yankees will get booed or cheered when they return to the stadium? Giambi ? Pettitte ? Pavano ? Abreu ? Duncan ? who else ?”

    I think Giambi gets cheers. Same for Abreu. Pavano will definitely get booed. I’m hoping Andy signs with us so cheers for him. I don’t expect to see Duncan again at the stadium unless STL comes to town.

  14. Cor Shep January 6th, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    do you guys think the yanks upping their offer to 11 mil will be enough?? if so do it

  15. no.27 January 6th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    Duncan to the Red Sox = Ortiz reinjures wrist first time Duncan scores.

  16. Doreen January 6th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Well, I’m not all that surprised Duncan was designated for assignment. There really is no place for him now. I wish him well and hope he finds success somewhere else (as Pete said, St. Loo???).

    I’m not familiar at all with this Jason Johnson person, but I do know that one of the cardinal rules of baseball is you can never have enough pitching. I also suspect that it adds credence to the idea that the Yankees are determined to keep their prospects in AAA as long as they can.

    Or, there is another stealth move coming. :)

    I got to see the initial part of the Teixeira press conference. He is very charming and he has a great smile – which looked genuine to me, for what that’s worth. I heard a couple of his answers on the car radio – he sounded great, very straightforward in his manner. Engaging, as well.

    I’m looking forward to the next 8 years with Teixeira in pinstripes. I remember the first time I heard an interview with him about 2 years ago on Baseball This Morning on XM and it was then that I decided the Yankees should get him. The impression I had of him then is the same impression I got watching today. And, duh, of course the money is important – you really can’t hold that against these guys – but ultimately, if you’re going to sign up to play for a team for 8 years, I think at least of part of you needs to want to play for that team in that city.

  17. jason January 6th, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    I believe I saw Coke’s velocity jumped last year even as a starter.
    You also have guys like De Le Rose, Dunn (is he an ’09 or ’10 guy)or even Wright and Igawa (not seeing he will be good just considered)who will likely be the lefty bullpen options in the next year or two.

  18. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 6th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    That was the other one I was thinking, so it’s clear Dunn or WDR need to win that LH relief role for 09′ to make this work great.

  19. mike January 6th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    no way coke is the starte .. im sure cash told johnson the same thing . . The best option is to get Perez

  20. saucY January 6th, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    Laura, i was thinking Giambi might get more of a mixed reaction. But i would applaud him.

  21. darkmoonfire January 6th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    I think Kim Jones’ insurance premiums just went down by 10%.

    Bye Shelley! You were fun, if only you could hit more consistently.

  22. Al from BK January 6th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    “Brian Cashman said Phil Coke has been told to prepare to come to camp to work as a starter.”

    Oh yeah! Phil Coke=Jon Lester(I kid) no but seriously young lefty with velocity and stuff.

  23. Vito January 6th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    “How will Michael Kay deal with not being able to drone on and on about Duncan’s fist pounds anymore?”

    Or Moose eating P+J sandwiches in Tokyo – got 3 or 4 years out of that story

  24. Ed - American League, prepared to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 6th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    **IT’S OFFICAL: PAVANO GOES TO CLEVELAND***

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3813706

  25. Jeff NJ January 6th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    How about Oakland signs Duncan and has him platoon with Giambi?

  26. jason January 6th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    Coke is not super young. I think he is about 26.
    But it really all of sudden came together for him last year with better velocity and secondary stuff. Also, he seemed (with all of the assorted don’t pay attention to Sept. baseball caveats) to thrive in NY.
    BTW Pavano signs a one year deal with the Indians – why can’t we get any pitchers like that?

  27. john January 6th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

    Forgot about Coke even being an option, but liked what I saw out of the pen from him last year. And he was consistent. Having Marte come out sometimes shakey it’s a nice balance and having two lefties in the pen who aren’t just specialists is something few if any teams have.

  28. Doreen January 6th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Good for Pavano.

  29. Laura January 6th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    “Laura, i was thinking Giambi might get more of a mixed reaction. But i would applaud him.”

    Perhaps. The Big G isn’t really leaving on bad terms. The team turned him down. He wanted to come back, desperately I would assume. He had a decent year last season. I would give him some love if I were at the stadium.

  30. Okay January 6th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Is Teixeira taking Duncan’s spot now?

  31. Laura January 6th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    I look forward to the Yanks facing Pavano. I hope they score 10 runs off of him in the 1st inning.

  32. Drew January 6th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    That’ll be good if Pavano actually can get to New Yankee Stadium to start against the Yankees

  33. Bill Porter January 6th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    Patrick January 6th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    “I doubt Coke will stick as a starter. Might as well give him a shot though.

    Coke has higher velocity as a reliever, he sits at 90 as a starter. I fully expect Coke to be in the bullpen at some point this season.”

    Over the summer Coke’s velocity was sitting 92 – 94 as a starter. He picked up a couple of ticks from there after his move to the pen. That old figure 88 – 90 is just that: an old figure. He has plenty of giddy-up from the left side to succeed as a MLB starter. The only question is command of his breaking ball. If that’s there he could be + VORP out of the 5 hole right away. Some nice choices there.

    Dorothy Parker aside my mom taught me not to say anything if I didn’t have something nice to say so I’ll say welcome aboard Jason Johnson and leave it at that.

  34. Okay January 6th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    spot on the 40 man roster, that is

  35. john January 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Does this also mean that even after spring training Coke stays in the minors if he doesn’t win the fifth spot to be there fall back fillin starter?

  36. ANSKY January 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    Wouldn’t it be a twist if Shelley Duncan ended up in Tampa?

    Hey, it could happen. Clemens fit in here after all the chin music he sent Jeter when he was in Toronto.

    Good luck to Shelley.

  37. duh January 6th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    how would Shelley Duncan help St. Louis?

    aside from his father and brother being employed by the team, i can’t think of a worse fit.

    Duncan was a fun guy, but he is a bad baseball player.

  38. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 6th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    Did I miss something why can’t Coke be a # 5 SP again ? all that he needs is to perfect the change up and it’s on. In the minors he basically threw fastballs airing out his tank early, now learning secondary and third pitches has him save it up, if he needs guidance all he has to do is speak w/ CC and learn how to better use his arsenal the guy was 9-4 as a SP in the minors last yr., no it’s not like he can’t do it.

  39. nyyfaninlaaland January 6th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    Not sure of Shelly’s fit in St. Louis. No real PT at 1B, and they’ve got a plethora of OF’s both on team and in high minors.

    I think he should look elsewhere, though the pull of Dad and Bro might be strong. I’m thinking a minors deal is in the offing – the glut of corners is still out there.

  40. ANSKY January 6th, 2009 at 3:50 pm

    “I look forward to the Yanks facing Pavano. I hope they score 10 runs off of him in the 1st inning.”

    I hope so too, Laura. But the guy can actually pitch a little.

    “If healthy” :) which he all-too rarely was when he was here.

  41. jason January 6th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    The Yankees will probably have a slew of pitchers in AAA ready to step in to the bullpen or rotation in 2009 with varying degrees of success:
    rotation – Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves, Milton, Mitre (in 50 days), Johnson, Coke, Igawa, Horne (if healthy)
    Bullpen – Melancon, Coke, Igawa, Dunn, Kontos, Wright, Albaledejo
    And, I know I am missing a bunch.

  42. Confucius January 6th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    I really doubt the Yanks will be looking for anything but what Pettitte would give them — innings. I think the only thing these kids will be auditioning for is the #6 spot and maybe a long relief role (sorely needed to cover Joba’s 4 inning games).

  43. Carl January 6th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    I assume what they’re doing with Coke is to build arm strength and also as an insurance policy. I figure he’ll be on the team out of the bullpen

    He seemed to find his niche in the pen last year, and given he’ll be 27 in August, I don’t think he’ll be going the starter route unless there are multiple injuries in spring.

  44. Joe I January 6th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Good for Pavano and Cleveland. I really am happy for that kid in the minor leagues who will get his shot in the major leagues when he’s called up in April after Pavano goes on the DL.

  45. Tex's new best friend January 6th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Coke will not start in the minors. He will start in the pen. I think a lot going on today is in reaction to Pettitte, to prove a point that we dont need him. Coke may be a good starter, but we finally have two lefties in the pen, and a bunch of guys who can start.

  46. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 6th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Lester was the same case, he sat at 93-93 then learned to pitch better and save the heater for better use. So yes Coke can do it, it’s going to be based on how quick he can perfect his change up and slider.

  47. A.D. January 6th, 2009 at 3:54 pm

    Coke move is solid let a bunch of the younger arms take a shot. Realistically with innings limits IPK & Aceves can give 200 innings, Coke & Hughes would be shut down before then.

  48. SJ44 January 6th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    The Jason Johnson signing is no big deal. Its a minor league contract.

    Its nothing to fret over. If he can’t pitch, which he probably can’t, he won’t stick.

    A no harm, no foul move. He isn’t holding anybody back among the kids, and isn’t guaranteed a roster spot.

  49. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 6th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    91 – 93 mph *

    “Coke will not start in the minors. He will start in the pen. I think a lot going on today is in reaction to Pettitte, to prove a point that we dont need him. Coke may be a good starter, but we finally have two lefties in the pen, and a bunch of guys who can start.”

    The 2 lefties arguement has no baring, they have a kid in Micheal Dunn who can do what Coke does even better in the BP and then there is the wild card arm Wilkins DeLaRosa might be the best LHP of the A+ – AA system.

  50. duh January 6th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    “Coke will not start in the minors. He will start in the pen. ”

    no, he is going to start the season as a starter.

    starters are much more valuable than relievers. so if Coke can take the gains he made last year and carry them into next season, the Yankees would have a young, LHed dirt cheap back of the rotation starter.

    if he can’t, they’ll just move him back into the pen.

    it’s worth going with “only” 1 lefty in the major league bullpen for a few months so they can see what they have in Coke.

  51. Vito January 6th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Balboni-Maas-Spencer-Duncan- who will be the next 1 month wonder? – seems to happen every 7 or 8 years

  52. Phil January 6th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Coke really improved last year, and had some double digit K games as a starter after he developed that knockout slider of his. I wouldn’t necessarily write him off as a starter yet.

  53. gianthinker January 6th, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Those aren’t the worst #5 options except for the innings problem. I still really want to sign Ben Sheets.

  54. duh January 6th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    “A no harm, no foul move.”

    no such thing on LoHud. no move can go without complaint.

    i think people are still angry over Jason Lane’s minor league deal last winter.

  55. Ed - American League, prepared to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 6th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    so since Coke might start, is Marte going to be the only lefty in the pen?

  56. Ninja Burglar January 6th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Is Felix Heredia available?

  57. ANSKY January 6th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    So it’s 1.5 millon for one year, with “INCENTIVES’ for Pavano.

    That could actually be a steal for them if he doesn’t get hurt.

    I should be careful dumping on his durability too much. To watch him end up logging more innings than Burnett this year would be terrible.

    Of course if that were to happen, some contributors would take out their Cashman voodoo dolls next year to inflict some revenge for him not jumping at one opportunity instead of the other this winter.

  58. Scott (Joba RULES!) January 6th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    I hope Coke gets to start against the Rangers. I can hear the radio call already:

    Coke deals to Hamilton…..

    What? No, that wasn’t an insult…Coke’s been dealing to everyone!

  59. Laura January 6th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    “I hope so too, Laura. But the guy can actually pitch a little. ”

    Ansky, how would we know? He never pitched while he was with us. :P

  60. SJ44 January 6th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Burnett has had more starts the last 4 years than Wang.

    To compare his injury history with Pavano isn’t even logical.

    When both are healthy, Burnett is the much better pitcher.

  61. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 6th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    “Coke deals to Hamilton…..

    What? No, that wasn’t an insult…Coke’s been dealing to everyone!”

    You should be ashamed of yourself :(

  62. CB January 6th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Giving coke a chance to start makes the most sense.

    Left handers are hard to find. Left handers who throw in the low 90′s with a plus slider are even harder to find.

    If coke should even become a league average starter he’d be immensely valuable. At worst he could bring back a ton in a trade. Even if he’s lights out as a reliever he won’t be as valuable.

    Coke did improve his velocity a few ticks last season but the key to his success was him locking down that wipe out slider. That was the pitch.

    And left handers can get away throwing two pitches as a starter much more easily than right handers can.

  63. Scott (Joba RULES!) January 6th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Brandon:

    It was a joke – lighten up.

    Sheesh!

  64. Caeser January 6th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    If they are going to go without a proven 5th starter, then I think we will see more “Jason Johnson style” acquisitions. The more options the better, especially since we do not have a full 4 starters, with Joba probably having a 150 inning max. I could see one or more of the following coming on a minor league deal or a short money major league deal:

    Freddy Garcia
    Chuck James
    Josh Fogg
    Jason Jennings

  65. ANSKY January 6th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    :) Laura that’s right!

    If he can finish the season healthy Pavano probably won’t do too badly. I’d be completely shocked if he went 18-8 again, but he could be significantly better than Kei Igawa if he lasts.

    Yes, I know that’s not necessarily saying much. But there is some talent there.

  66. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 6th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    Exactly in his early minor league career he didn’t have that slider, he got by using his fastball, actually abusing his fastball, overthrowing it and then had no real KO pitch, now he has a slider and a developing change up, saving the fastball and it’s velocity for later use. Don’t sleep on Coke (God that doesn’t sound right).

  67. AeroFANatic January 6th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    If Coke does indeed start as the #5, our rotation would set up as :

    Sabathia (L)
    Wang (R)
    Burnett (R)
    Chamberlain (R)
    Coke (L)

    Not sure I like 2 rookies back to back, and a (L) sandwhich. Does not make sense. I think it’s to put pressure on Petitte. But IF Coke moves to the rotation, that does indeed open up a slot for Melancon.

    However, more than likely the 4 will be HUGHES and the 5 Chamberlain.

  68. Tarheelyank January 6th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Good luck Shelly.

  69. abcd January 6th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    coke sure looked good in the pen last year. dominating.

    but you always give a chance for someone to start. and maybe this opens the door for melancon to join the pen.

  70. michelle b. (X is the best letter in the alphabet!) January 6th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    looks like we moved – so i’ll repost over here.
    Tex’s new best friend January 6th, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    So you want Swisher, Gardner, or Cabrera to start for the Yankees? I’m a big Cabrera fan but if we want a World Series that isn’t the way to do it.

    You think every team that wins championships has 8 allstars on the field all the time? We can afford to have Gardner/Melky batting 9th in the lineup. At a given time, both of them have come up big.”
    ___________________________________________________________
    that is a correct assessment. In 2003 we got to the world series with Juan Rivera. In 2004, the bosox won the world series with trot nixon a career .274 hitter with an obp of .364. In, 05 – the astros got there with a lineup that included jason lane, adam everett, morgan ensberg and mike lamb. And the white sox had juan uribe and joe crede.In 06 world champion cards – had encarnacion and belliard and the tigers went with,neifi perez, craig monroe, rafeal santiago, marcus thames and inge.
    So, i think the least of our worries is brett gardner/melky cabrera combo.

  71. ANSKY January 6th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    I wasn’t comparing injury histories between Pavano & Burnett, SJ (if you were referring to my post) it was more like … wouldn’t it be an unfortunate twist of Karma if Pavano in Cleveland could actually outlast one of the guys who came in after he left? Nothing more than that.

  72. d32123 January 6th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    coke sure looked good in the pen last year. dominating.

    but you always give a chance for someone to start. and maybe this opens the door for melancon to join the pen.

    Exactly my views.
    We may actually have good pitching for once!

  73. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 6th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    I did a post about Coke last year here:

    http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....-coke.html

    Needless to say, I’m stoked he’s going to start.

    I’ll miss Duncan, but it was a great ride in 2007.

  74. d32123 January 6th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    that is a correct assessment. In 2003 we got to the world series with Juan Rivera. In 2004, the bosox won the world series with trot nixon a career .274 hitter with an obp of .364. In, 05 – the astros got there with a lineup that included jason lane, adam everett, morgan ensberg and mike lamb. And the white sox had juan uribe and joe crede.In 06 world champion cards – had encarnacion and belliard and the tigers went with,neifi perez, craig monroe, rafeal santiago, marcus thames and inge.
    So, i think the least of our worries is brett gardner/melky cabrera combo.

    Then what is the most of our worries?

    I’m not attacking anyone. Actually I’m very happy with our offseason.

  75. Laura January 6th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    “Yes, I know that’s not necessarily saying much. But there is some talent there.”

    Talent there for what? Pitching or getting injured? :P

    I know I’m being brutal, but I really feel like Pavano ripped the Yankees off for 4 years. There’s something about earning 40mil for doing virtually nothing that really pisses me off.

  76. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    Shocking about the redesign and sudden growth of Phil Coke. 3 years ago the best you could say about him was that he was left handed.

  77. saucY January 6th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    pavano will collapse at the sight of a midge…

  78. Jeff NJ January 6th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Pavano will be a good sleeper candidate. I mean there is only so much rehabing you can do before you need a nap.

  79. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 6th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    “Shocking about the redesign and sudden growth of Phil Coke. 3 years ago the best you could say about him was that he was left handed.”

    You will be more shocked when you see Melvin Croussett emerge out of nowhere in few yrs. :) But yeh I know, if anything it shows how important 2nd and 3rd pitches really are when watching and evaluating young pitching GB.

  80. Vito January 6th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    I can see it now – Midges swarm Pavano on the mound leaving nothing but a pile of bones. Lake Erie flying piranhas…

  81. ANSKY January 6th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    Both! let’s be careful before we begin to make it sound as if Carl is a divers talent, Laura. He’s clearly better at one than the other. :)

    I couldn’t agree with you more on the whole topic.

    That said, if he doesn’t get hurt (ha!) $1.5M could actually become a bargain for Cleveland. But if he does it could turn out to be be among the most expensive 24 innings they ever paid for.

  82. CB January 6th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    “So, i think the least of our worries is brett gardner/melky cabrera combo.”

    In none of those other examples did teams need to fight through divisions even close to as difficult as the 2009 al east looks to be.

    And if you knew melky or gardner could be even close to as good as juan rivera or trot nixon then sure you’d have no worries.

    But the probability of both gardner and melky being far below average at the plate is siginificant and that’s the problem.

    Over the course of a long season having even one below average starter in a brutal division is a problem.

  83. Vito January 6th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    I had to look up Melvin Croussett – Holy cow! 168lb of LHP fury!

  84. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 6th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    GB: Three years ago, ‘Joba’ was a character in Star Wars.

  85. 86w183 January 6th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    I can imagine what this site might be like if Pavano beats AJ during the 2009 season. The only way he could have re-habbed his image would have been by signing a minor league contract that would pay him the MLB minimum if he made the team. He owed the Yankees that, but went after whatever money he could get.

    Anyone rooting for that jerk should be embarrassed. He’s the baseball eqivalent of Bernie Madoff.

  86. Vito January 6th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    Really Melky and Gardner just have to catch the ball 5 days a week and we will be fine. Damon can play center 1-2 days a week if need be. That said I put Gardner out there for his speed alone and have hit hit grounders and bunt and pressure the defense. CF is not a concern, 4th starter IP eater is

  87. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 6th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Vito 20 yrs. old LH CL nicknamed “The Dream Assassin” has improved immensely, he has a great chance to be the future CL of the NY Yankees. You shouldn’t be hearing about him now but he’s improved incredibly w/ his control.

  88. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees)
    January 6th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
    “Shocking about the redesign and sudden growth of Phil Coke. 3 years ago the best you could say about him was that he was left handed.”

    You will be more shocked when you see Melvin Croussett emerge out of nowhere in few yrs. But yeh I know, if anything it shows how important 2nd and 3rd pitches really are when watching and evaluating young pitching GB.

    ————————————————————

    If he developes into anything close and as fast as De La Rosa, NYY will be left handed heavy in the rotation with a bullpen full of upper 90s relief pitchers.

  89. michelle b. (X is the best letter in the alphabet!) January 6th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Then what is the most of our worries?

    I’m not attacking anyone. Actually I’m very happy with our offseason.
    ______________________________________________________________

    finding a 4th and 5th starter. Joba is going to be a 140 inning guy which means we need to find another 340 or so innings somewhere. I’m all for hughes or coke or whomever we have in the wings, but i’m not sure they are ready. Without andy we lose 200 innings.

  90. Vito January 6th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    What I am thrilled about is our pitching depth thru the whole system – throw enough arms against the wall and some will stick. We have power arms at all levels. Positions players….not so much.

  91. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 6th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    “If he developes into anything close and as fast as De La Rosa, NYY will be left handed heavy in the rotation with a bullpen full of upper 90s relief pitchers.”

    Yup. Also someone is getting traded when he hits A ball or AA, because I doubt there is a CL in this system that will match him if he developes in the states like he has in D.R.

  92. michelle b. (X is the best letter in the alphabet!) January 6th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    and need i remind everyone – that DEFENSE AND PITCHING win championships not Offense.

  93. d32123 January 6th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    finding a 4th and 5th starter. Joba is going to be a 140 inning guy which means we need to find another 340 or so innings somewhere. I’m all for hughes or coke or whomever we have in the wings, but i’m not sure they are ready. Without andy we lose 200 innings.

    Yeah well that’s solved easy by re-signing Andy. He is worth at least 15 million imo and anything more than that we can easily get a replacement like Ben Sheets or Oliver Perez.

  94. d32123 January 6th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    and need i remind everyone – that DEFENSE AND PITCHING win championships not Offense.

    Yeah and we have focused thusfar on defense and pitching. Even Teixeira improves us defensively. Now, while another pitcher would be nice, we need to find a centerfielder who can hit.

  95. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 6th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    Brandon: Asesino de sueños?

    Is that what you were talking about earlier?

  96. michelle b. (X is the best letter in the alphabet!) January 6th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    d32123-

    not so easily solved when andy turned down the 10 mil and the front office says stuff like ” we arent happy with what andy is requesting.” I dont think it is that easy. I think andy will ride off into the sunset.

  97. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Staying to write the story
    January 6th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
    GB: Three years ago, ‘Joba’ was a character in Star Wars.

    ————————————————————

    Just imagine if Luke Greinke comes along and is close to his brother in talent, “The Force” will be turning Luke (Skywalker) and Joba loose on The Nation.

  98. d32123 January 6th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    d32123-

    not so easily solved when andy turned down the 10 mil and the front office says stuff like ” we arent happy with what andy is requesting.” I dont think it is that easy. I think andy will ride off into the sunset.

    Yeah but do you really think any other team’s gonna offer him anything close to what we have? This might not get resolved for another month or two though and we can’t wait that long. The alternatives will all be signed by then and people on here seem to think that pitching is still the priority.

  99. GreenBeret7 January 6th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees)
    January 6th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
    “If he developes into anything close and as fast as De La Rosa, NYY will be left handed heavy in the rotation with a bullpen full of upper 90s relief pitchers.”

    Yup. Also someone is getting traded when he hits A ball or AA, because I doubt there is a CL in this system that will match him if he developes in the states like he has in D.R.

    ————————————————————

    If he’s that good, he’d make a great 8th inning leadin for Jonathan Ortiz.

  100. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    “Brandon: Asesino de sueños?

    Is that what you were talking about earlier?”

    Yup that’s Croussett’s nickname. Filthy power LH CL, he needs to gain weight at 20 he is 168 lbs. but he can gain it like WDR did and he’s going to fly through the system when he catches on in the states. :D

  101. 86w183 January 6th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    And let me remind everyone that the phrase “pitching and defense wins championships” is a cliche’ that is completely and totally FALSE.

    TEAMS win championships. Teams that can win both high scoring and low scoring games. Balanced teams that are strong in all areas are what you want to have. Two of the top 5 ERA teams in the AL did not make the playoffs. Although the top four in the NL did. Only one of the top five defensive teams in the NL and just one of the five in the NL reached post-season play.

    Pitching is the most important thing, no argument. Offense is more important than defense and that’s not close. Defense is to baseball what special teams is to football. You want to be great at it, but it wont overcome poor pitching or poor hitting.

  102. Brandon (CC & AJ now Marky Mark (they stilled over paid him) are Yankees) January 6th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    “If he’s that good, he’d make a great 8th inning leadin for Jonathan Ortiz.”

    Definitely. GB don’t be surprised if he succeeds him. Quick learner is this kid just check his improvement from yr. 1 in DSL to yr. 2 …

  103. saucY January 6th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    :arrow:

  104. Becca January 6th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    “How will Michael Kay deal with not being able to drone on and on about Duncan’s fist pounds anymore?”

    That is so true.

    Yea i definitely hope Shelley gets a shot somewhere else too. He seemed like someone who really had fun playing the game.

  105. David January 6th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Anyone know what Jason Johnson was doing in 2007? As far as I can tell, he didn’t pitch in the majors or the minors?

  106. Darrel January 6th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Duncan = another Ca$hman failure

  107. Drive 4-5 January 6th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    I’m somewhat conflicted about Andy Pettitte.

    On the one hand, last year he made 35 starts, 5th most in the AL. He led the Yanks in innings pitched and strikeouts and he was 2nd in wins. I can see why he balked at a 40% pay cut regardless of the millions. If it’s so easy to take the mound for 35 starts and pitch 204 innings then how come no one else on the roster could do it?

    However,the Yanks did stand by him after his name came out in the Mitchell Report. It wasnt a good thing that Andy never told the Yankees that he had been interviewed by Mitchell. Worse, the burden of clearing his name distracted him from training as he had in the past. His second half performance can be attributed by the change in his training regime for this creature of habit.Perhaps the distraction of his current contract situation would affect him likewise this year.

    I’d hope that when Andy Pettitte comes back to Yankee Stadium the fans remember him for all the good he’s done for the franchise. For years he was the home grown stalwart on a pitching staff of mercenaries like Wells and Clemens. I know I’ll applaud him and forive his trespasses.

  108. Drive 4-5 January 6th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    Sorry to repost from last thread but had to take a call and didnt see the new one.

    I’m somewhat conflicted about Andy Pettitte.

    On the one hand, last year he made 35 starts, 5th most in the AL. He led the Yanks in innings pitched and strikeouts and he was 2nd in wins. I can see why he balked at a 40% pay cut regardless of the millions. If it’s so easy to take the mound for 35 starts and pitch 204 innings then how come no one else on the roster could do it?

    However,the Yanks did stand by him after his name came out in the Mitchell Report. It wasnt a good thing that Andy never told the Yankees that he had been interviewed by Mitchell. Worse, the burden of clearing his name distracted him from training as he had in the past. His second half performance can be attributed by the change in his training regime for this creature of habit.Perhaps the distraction of his current contract situation would affect him likewise this year.

    I’d hope that when Andy Pettitte comes back to Yankee Stadium the fans remember him for all the good he’s done for the franchise. For years he was the home grown stalwart on a pitching staff of mercenaries like Wells and Clemens. I know I’ll applaud him and forive his trespasses.

  109. Drive 4-5 January 6th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Sorry for 2 straight screwups.Been a long day.

  110. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 6th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    “Brian Cashman said Phil Coke has been told to prepare to come to camp to work as a starter.”

    Sweet.

  111. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 6th, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    Harold Reynolds is bent on saying the Yanks won’t (may not) win the world series.

    Coming up on mlb.tv Hot Stove (channel 213 directtv).

    I don’t know what his issue is!

  112. LadyJay114 January 7th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    Good luck to Shelley.
    Actually a good fit would be Tampa Bay (believe it or not). Although the family is in STL, they have a million utility players over there. There’s a couple of guys that landed in San Diego (Scott Patterson & Chris Britton). I think that maybe his best bet.

    Phil Coke is a good pitcher – but do they not think Phil Hughes is ready?

  113. LadyJay114 January 7th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    “Harold Reynolds is bent on saying the Yanks won’t (may not) win the world series…. I don’t know what his issue is!”

    Even as a Yankees fan, I don’t drink the kool-aid. I’m cautiously optimistic. We are the best team in the Majors on paper, but I’m want to see it on the field and in the playoffs. We’ve been down the “best team money can buy” road before and it wasn’t successful. This is a great team but I want to see the results before we start planning the parade.

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