Teixeira not playing in WBC
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Mark Teixeira said today he would not be playing for the United States in the World Baseball Classic. CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett said the same thing when they signed.
At the moment, the only Yankees involved for sure are Derek Jeter (United States) and Alex Rodriguez (Dominican Republic).
Robinson Cano has said he wants to play for the Dominicans. But at some point the Yankees will remind him that he was a howling dog in 2008 and needs to stay in camp and take care of business.
Because they finished last season on the disabled list, the Yankees can prohibit Chien-Ming Wang, Jorge Posada and Hideki Matsui from playing.
Mariano Rivera showed no interest in playing for Panama the last time and is coming off surgery. He’s out.
Is there anybody else who would take the team? Xavier Nady? One of the relievers? It could be a break for the Yankees to keep the bulk of the team together.
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Is Leigh Teixeira adorable, or what?
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Not just a dog but a howling dog. Ha ha ha!
How’s Rivera’s shoulder healing, anyway?
Yanks can veto Mo if he somehow decided he wanted to play because of off season surgery.
The last thing the Yankees need is for anyone to get injured before the season starts playing in Uncle Bud’s Fantasy League. I’m not against the concept of the WBC but I’m totally against the timing.
Drive: I agree with you, but there isn’t really a convenient time to play it.
Baseball players are already playing from February through October, anyway, and a lot of the younger ones play in November and December as well.
Rebecca,
I saw Mo on tv just before Christmas. He was in Washington Heights doing a neighborhood Christmas party and handing out presents.He said the rehab has been painful but his shoulder should be fine.
FYI
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01.....148960.htm
Rebecca,
“Drive: I agree with you, but there isn’t really a convenient time to play it.”
That’s my point. If the timing isn’t manageable then it should be scrapped IMO.
Anyone know the Yankees email address? Hal said he reads the emails from the fans!!
Hey jennifer, are you still accepting suggestions for things to ask the Moose?
Nick of course.
jennifer,
did you tried going to Yankees.com?
jennifer: Probably something like hal.steinbrenner@yankees.com
Not to generalize, but professional email addresses tend to be really generic.
hmmm I’ll have to give it a shot.
I just didn’t think they’d have something that simple to figure out.
Ok, this is sort of taken from someone else’s idea in another thread. If you feel too silly asking on your own behalf you can tell the Moose it came from another fan (me!) who purchased three cases of Moose Bars to give out at Christmas. The question is:
Would he consider coming out of retirement if Cashman and Girardi promised that he could be the one to face Carl Pavano every time the Yanks play the Indians?
Rebecca and Jennifer: I’d lean more toward hsteinbrenner@yankees.com because that’s how my “yankee season ticket representative” or whatever is done. But then you have issues with Hank vs Hal.
jen, unless you want to write to him at the Stadium. Something makes me think you’d have a better chance of having him focus on comments in a letter than in an email. Just a thought.
Nick- He would laugh his butt off at that question!!
Andrea- ha good idea. And very true!
Laughter is good.
Rebecca did you ever get a response from your letter a few months ago??
Andrea: Indeed.
Jennifer, maybe also try hlsteinbrenner@yankees.com if you’re that determined.
You might also want to try a variety of subdomains, like
yankees.com, nyyankees.com, yankees.mlb.com… though it’s probably just yankees.com.
“He would laugh his butt off at that question!! ”
But unlike Pavano, that wouldn’t put him on the DL.
Oof, how did I miss that the first time ’round? I’m sleepy.
how about “sexypoofyhair@yankees.com”?
I think that lon trost’s email address wasn’t redacted by the press when they published his email exchange with city leaders. It was somthing like ltrost@yankees.com
Andrea, that’s Oscar Gamble’s email
http://www.baseballtoddsdugout.....Gamble.jpg
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Aaron(the better Aaron) January 6th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
That makes no sense Trisha so you wanna put Joba and Hughes/younger pitcher as the 4/5 so if they strugle you run into the same thing as last year?? Pettitte was our 2 last year, and he would be our 4.. Who could argue with a guy like that as your #4.. No one would argue in baseball… You don’t know what your talking about..Look what Jamie Moyer’s doing over in Philly.. I would love to have a guy like that, Andy’s 37 not 43.. He’d be ok and wouldn’t pitch as many innings in the 4 as he did last year in the 2..
“Yanks can veto Mo if he somehow decided he wanted to play because of off season surgery.”
No need. If Mo decided to go play for Panama,he wouldnt get in much action if any. All the action he would get is warming up in the bullpen just because of boredom.It would be like the Saudi Arabia team in the little league world series tournament. Gets their loses and goes on there summer vacation.
Tom: Don’t tempt me.
I don’t start class till Monday so for a few more glorious days I have free time and I need things to do in it.
Careful, S.o.S., insulting the Kingdom is a bannable offense under Wahabbist law. The good news is you might be banned to Lace or Stiletto.
Tom: you’re right. his hair is much poofier and therefore much sexier.
Cash or Hal said Mo was at the stadium today.
jennifer: Dang, and I thought I was anxious for 2009 to get underway…
I lost a bet in 2004 (stupid red sox). I had to get my hair permed. It looked kinda like Oscar’s.
jennifer,
any luck finding out the email?
“The good news is you might be banned to Lace or Stiletto.”
And here i was ready to give Pete my credit card number for the new registration process. That of coarse being because of Stiletto turning up the heat in advertisement.
I RETRACT MY STATEMENT!! Anything but my eyes Nick.
This Ken Burns filmography is spectacular.
God bless the greatest game in sports.
Night all.
I think the ideas above are correct. Now I just have to sit down and pen an email.
“In the end though if you bid $170M on a player it’s tough to go back and say you don’t “need” him a great deal.”
CB-
I’m reaching back a couple of threads, since Pete is laudably, though somewhat strangely, updating his blog like billy-o while on vacation. Pete, you ought to be down in the Caribbean somewhere,
My point was not that the Sox didn’t need Tex. He would have been a huge signing for them going forward.
My point was that Tex was an even huger signing for us. We needed him more than they did, which is in the end what the bidding showed.
I feel like the Texeira saga somehow validates rational economic thought.
Whats this Ken Burns deal everyone keeps talking about? Should i be recording something?
Wave Your Hat, I think, right now, no one has the right to use the words ‘rational’, ‘economic’ and ‘thought’ in the same sentence, let alone consecutively…
“Is there anybody else who would take the team?”
Igawa?
Isn’t Johnny Damon playing in the WBC? He is still a Yankee, right?
“Wave Your Hat, I think, right now, no one has the right to use the words ‘rational’, ‘economic’ and ‘thought’ in the same sentence, let alone consecutively…”
And if your a Sox fan “huger”.
S.o.S.: I said banned *to* Lace and Stiletto, not banned *from* Lace and Stilleto. The former would be unusual but the latter would be far too cruel.
Rebecca-
I put “validates” in front of that.
Don’t I get a triple word score or something?
Where has mel been?
Tom: Please tell me you took pictures.
“Whats this Ken Burns deal everyone keeps talking about? Should i be recording something?”
It is a wonderful film he did for PBS.
http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/baseball/
Buddy: A few threads ago I speculated that she was kidnapped by Charlie Weiss. I don’t think I’ve seen her post on here since well before the Hawaii Bowl massacre. I hope she didn’t take my advice too literally and bet her house on Hawaii to cover the spread.
mel, if you’re out there, you are missed.
Good question re: mel. I haven’t see a post in a long time. I hope everything is okay.
I noticed how comfortable Tex was today holding the mic and answering the many questions thrown at him.
Mark my words, Tex will end up as a broadcaster when he is through, either on game telecasts or on ESPN or MLB.
Maybe mel is peeved that her state lost the Pro Bowl.
Nick,
In that case i stick to my story. Panama loses every game,doesnt have a lead in any and Mo is fresh for the 09 season.
Buddy.
Iv been wondering the same thing. I thought she might still be upset that the Pats missed out on the playoffs. It seemed to be about the same time she went missing. Hope im right.
I guess somebody could email mel thru her website.
Wave Your Hat: touchè!
Buddy, Jen and Nick: I haven’t seen mel since the end of the season, but then there was a month or so where I wasn’t around at all. Not that you noticed or anything
(j/k)
Hope wherever Mel is she’s all right and enjoying the season her Lakers are putting together for her.
“My point was not that the Sox didn’t need Tex. He would have been a huge signing for them going forward.”
Wave,
I agree with you – that’s what deductive logic suggests given the Sox roster and their ostensible needs.
I’ve posted on that many times.
However, inductively, that’s not what happened. You can make a real argument – and many people have – that in fact the Sox did need Tex and needed him badly.
In fact for months this had been the Sox own argument. That they were seeing deep needs inside the organization that weren’t apparent to more casual observers. That’s why his signing wouldn’t be profligate waste but rational expenditure.
This is why we heard that whole elaborate song and dance about why the sox had targeted him for so long and gong after him so agressively, etc.
Nick Caffardo has made this argument. Ultimately, the Sox know their team, their system and needs moving into future better than anyone.
So inductively once the Sox offerred Tex the largest contract in their franshise’s history they were stating emphatically that they did in fact need Tex desperately. Why else would they given him such a monstrous offer (which was larger than Manny’s in terms of guaranteed money…).
The fact that he cost so much money, forced so many awkward roster moves, and hurt Lars Anderson’s development just amplified their need.
The lack of deductive rational reasons for them to sign him amplifies how much they needed him. We’re just not seeing it as we don’t know their needs as well as they do.
That’s the argument and there is a lot of merit to it.
I think I am banned
The Pats didn’t crap out until the Sunday after Christmas and I’m pretty sure I haven’t seen mel on here since before the Hawaii Bowl, which was around the 20th. I say that because I was going to commiserate with her, as I picked and wagered on Hawaii over Notre Dame. Ouch. Maybe someone should ask Pete to write to her.
Anyone have her email address? Shoot her an email, and see if she is okay.
Or through her website. Good thinking Buddy.
Thanks CK.
Doris,
You cant post and be banned at the same time. Unless your Anti Mussina and had 5 computers going on at one time.
What do you guys think of the ESPN redesign?
What is her website?
jennifer: pink-pinstripes.blogspot.com
CB: Like I said, ‘rational’, ‘economic’, and ‘thought’ are words that shouldn’t be used in the same sentence right now for multiple reasons…
Doris: As long as the videos don’t start automatically playing, I’m okay with it.
Peeved that the Devils lost, though.
Maybe mel is on winter break in the Caribbean enjoying the beach, refusing to worry about the Yanks and resisting the impulse to check the internet.
“Like I said, ‘rational’, ‘economic’, and ‘thought’ are words that shouldn’t be used in the same sentence right now for multiple reasons…”
I have absolutely no idea what you mean by this. Please explain because I’m at a loss.
Rebecca-
http://thearena.wordpress.com/.....w-espncom/
I think mel said she was looking forward to her son coming home for the holidays. Might just be spending time with her real family instead of the Lohud family.
watching the ‘99 WS now, John Rocker is such a d’bag!
CB-
Possible. On the other hand, the coast is now clear for the Sox to sign Pujols in 2012.
I wonder how the offer that the Red Sox made to Teixeira will affect them for the players they currently have and would probably want to keep… Beckett, Youkilis, to name a couple. They bought Pedroia fairly cheaply, but it may be premature.
This will cost them next starting the end of next season.
I don’t think the Red Sox are going to be getting hometown discounts from these players when they look at the big deal that they were willing to offer Teixeira.
Wave,
They’ve had their eye on Pujols for the past 5 years so yes just as with Tex I’d say they are the front runners.
I’ve always loved that phrase – “front runners”- in negotiations and elections, etc. It’s as if it were a foot race.
Pujols would have been worth $49M to the yankees this year if he’d been on the team. His next contract will be ridiculous and still probably under pay him.
CB: Just poking fun at the current state of nearly everything.
The point is that right now everyone’s so worked up over the economy (and rightfully), that you’re likely to get crazy solutions.
Like, not so different to how, if the Yankees loose a series against Boston people immediatley start calling for the sacking of Girardi and they need to trade Canò and A-Jax and Nady for Sheets and Manny.
The crazier a situation is, the crazier the proposed solutions are.
It doesn’t directly relate to the economy, but the idea that Boston would need Teixiera that badly and then not sign him doesn’t make a whole lot of rational sense, either.
CB-
I have absolutely no way of knowing but I suspect for John Henry baseball is ultimately a business. I suspect he truly believes in models and strategies. IMO that could be why he could walk away from Teixeira when someone who was fixated on winning and d*mn the torpedoes would have kept bidding.
That’s the Red Sox’ great strength and their great weakness.
“The point is that right now everyone’s so worked up over the economy (and rightfully), that you’re likely to get crazy solutions.”
Rebecca,
Quite honestly most of what’s going on right now in the economy is very logical, in fact much of it was inevitable. A number of bright people have been saying so for years but they were ignored.
It’s unbelievably painful what’s happening – but rational.
What wasn’t rational at all was much of the last 7 years of our collective economic lives. In aggregate that just made no sense but too many people were willing to buy into lies, half-truths, and Utopian fictions to prevent disaster.
But right now – things are actually moving back to rational. It’s sad and painful but that’s what’s happening.
Anyone listen to Michael Kay this afternoon? Apparently, they’re going to start his show at 2 starting Monday – 5 hours of Michael Kay? Holy moly!
Ellen- I heard that. That tells me they are stealing away some of Mike f’s market share. Now they are looking to take it all.
CB: Good point.
I’d pursue the discussion further, but I don’t want to get banned for talking about politics.
Still, some of the things you hear…like one guy that thinks the US will disband by 2010…
It makes your head turn.
“I suspect he truly believes in models and strategies. IMO that could be why he could walk away from Teixeira when someone who was fixated on winning and d*mn the torpedoes would have kept bidding.”
I also believe Henry likely believes in models and strategies.
But that’s not specifically why he didn’t keep on bidding.
He never had the chance. Boras called Cash and put up two ridiculous proposals that were shot down. Cash stuck to $180 and Boras called Tex telling him that was the yankees final offer. 20 minutes later the deal was done.
Henry never had a chance to outbid the yankees. Would he have? I don’t know. They had a ton of money to spend.
But ultimately that’s unknown as Tex never went back to the sox to see if they would match or up the yankees offer.
That says a lot for what Tex’s true preferences were in where to play.
Inside look at the Tex negotiations with the Sox including the following:
“Teixeira said that the Red Sox might have had a deal had they increased their offer on Dec. 18. According to multiple sources, Boras presented the Red Sox with a proposal that would have guaranteed Teixeira $176 million over eight seasons — precisely $22 million per season — but the deal included a pair of easily attainable vesting options that would have brought the package to $220 million over 10 seasons. While it was unclear if the Sox attempted to negotiate down the options, indications were that the club rejected the proposal out of hand.”
http://www.boston.com/sports/c.....xeira.html
anyone know if YES will be replaying the Texeria press conference, late tonight or tomorrow morning?
thank you.
CB: That does say a lot about Tex.
“It makes your head turn.”
Sure. But that’s what always happens. That’s doesn’t make it any less rational.
This happened to millions of people during the Asian/Russian currency bust in the late 1990’s, the blow up of long term capital management, the banking disaster in japan, etc.
Look – what was more “irrational” – Enron being considered a new paradigm for economic growth or it’s complete melt down? The irrational part was for ken lay and jeff skillings to have been considered financial pioneers in the first place.
We’ve experienced a “10 sigma” event as people like to say. 10 sigma events are generally way past the human capacity to process but that doesn’t make them irrational.
CB-
I’m not sure how definitely all the facts are known. The Sox could have said $170M was the final offer. I’ve been in negotiations like that.
But maybe Tex just wanted to come here and a $190M bid from the Sox was just not going to change anything.
It does tell me that neither Teixeira or Boras thought a Yanks-Sox bidding war would go much higher than where it ended up.
Yeah the bulk of the team will be together but not the two most important people in terms of clubhouse cohesiveness–Jeter and A-Rod aren’t going to be there for spring training.
why don’t they move the WBC to November–that way people don’t miss spring training and even more importantly, pitchers might actually want to go
Move it to Nov and no one will play because they just got done playing 162 games and thats not enought break to start up again. Pitchers would be more at risk for injury and no team would want their studs playing in that.
I think the whole wbc thing is stupid. I have no interest in it. All it is, is for people around the globe to gain interest in baseball.
I like the berroa signing alot – while he is not going to win us the world series, at least he is a minor league signing with some upside and the possibility of serving the middle infield backup role. He has a career obp over 300 and while his career has pretty much been a catastrophic collapse after winning ROY, he still has potential which is what you look for in these kinds of deals. This deal compared to the johnson deal may actually serve some purpose. While johnson will prolly spend the entire season in AAA, berroa will provide some competition for ransom who hit pretty well in his time in the majors last season.
John rodriguez is an excellent pickup also giving some players that may not deserve a major league job (melky) some competition.
vinny-b (Rocco Baldelli for CF)
YES will have an encore at 11:30
“It does tell me that neither Teixeira or Boras thought a Yanks-Sox bidding war would go much higher than where it ended up.”
This I completely agree with and I think this was and will continue to be the yankees negotiating strategy with Boras.
The Yankees only entered the bidding when the market was fully matured.
The equilibrium price point for Tex was well established.
So sure perhaps Henry really mean $170 was his final offer. But on the flip side it seemed like Henry had no idea the yankees were going to make real offer in that neighborhood.
Do you really believe that the Sox wouldn’t have increased their offer by 5.5% to match the yankees on a player who they’d been targeting for 2 years and had been so public about being the apple of their eyes?
I find that hard to believe unless they would have concluded that in the end Tex had a significant preference to play for the yankees.
Tex signed for money – but because his price had reached equilibrium it wasn’t money that specifically drove him to sign with the yankees, IMO. Boston would have likely matched the yankees offer at $180 if they’d had the chance. Just my guess. But Tex preferred the yankees and no one was going to go to $200M (except the nats?) given that the market for his services had matured.
Vader: thank you
CB: that all sounds very reasonable, but it’s the thought of John Henry and Theo flying back from Texas and composing that email that really makes me smile. And then seeing him in pinstripes today. Can we say that the Teixeira signing was the Hot Stove League equivalent of Bucky Dent’s home run?
CB: Indeed. Although I have to say, failures to detect things like Madoff’s Ponzi scheme are even more WTF-worthy than Ken Lay.
But anyway, I believe the point has been made and we digress.
On a brighter note, if pavano starts opening day against us I hope jOHNNY drills a ball right at him on the first pitch. REDEMPTION – by the way doesnt he owe the yanks around 30 million dollars for making not even seasons worth of starts (26 starts) in four years. He was payed 1.5 million per start the same amount of money he is making for all of next season. How bitterly ironic is that? That little tidbit was courtesy of riverave blues.
“Do you really believe that the Sox wouldn’t have increased their offer by 5.5% to match the yankees on a player who they’d been targeting for 2 years and had been so public about being the apple of their eyes?”
This goes back to my original point, which is IMO at the end of the day Teixeira was worth slightly more to the Yanks than to the Sox, because we had a hole in the lineup this year and they did not.
Henry may have decided that the Yanks were always going to outbid him, and $170MM may have been where he somewhat arbitrarily decided to stop. But I agree with you there’s no evidence for that other than just the way things turned out.
But your points are valid – the Sox may have stopped bidding where they did because they thought Teixeira wanted to play for the Yanks more than for them or for some other reason we just can’t see because we don’t know all the facts.
Above was supposed to say not even one season worth of starts
dave, advocating that kind of physical injury to any player–no matter how much we might dislike him–is just lame.
“Can we say that the Teixeira signing was the Hot Stove League equivalent of Bucky Dent’s home run?”
I like the analogy. Here’s the thing – if the yanks do win the series in the next year or two and Tex plays well – the impact on the nation will be devastating. It all depends on the series. But yes – if they win the series these negotiations will go down in the annals of the rivalry.
Tex would have made the Sox around 30 runs better. Instead he signs with the Yankees – making the yankees 30 runs better.
That’s a 60 run net pickup for the yankees. That is enormous. 60 runs is roughly 6 additional net wins. In the AL East – as close as it’s likely to be – 6 wins net is huge.
Part of the problem with the sox is that their everyday line up is already deep – so the only two spots they can pick up theose runs on offense are catcher and SS – by far the two most difficult positions to fill.
6 net wins – keep that number is mind next October.
On december ninth, riveraveblues reported that the yanks were preparing to offer ben sheets around 2 years and 30 million. Mark Feinsand reported something very similar the same day. This was just a rumor a month ago and may have had little legs or perhaps, they were and got turned off by the medical report. But if this is true, how low does sheets market price fall before the yanks jump back into the mix? This is especially relevant considering pettitte’s recent decision to reject the ten million offer. If the yanks could get sheets for 10 million, would they throw their hat back into the race? The yanks have to think that sheets is worth the same price as pettitte is. The only other team that appears to have interest in sheets currently is the brewers – JUST THE MERE FACT THAT THE BREWERS ARE NOW DISCUSSING RE-SIGNING SHEETS tells me that sheets has no serious medical condition and is certainly not on the verge of falling apart. If any team knows about sheets injuries best its the brew crew. And these shoulder rumors coming out about sheets dont seem to have many facts behind them. When did this injury occur and why is olney reporting it on january fourth rather than some article in september when sheets originally went on the dl. Does Close run the media or something? How could not articles know it was his shoulder until olney in january mentioned it. I am not buying what he is selling.
There’s a reason I said Bucky Dent and not Aaron Boone.
“Tex would have made the Sox around 30 runs better. Instead he signs with the Yankees – making the yankees 30 runs
better.”
CB-
Walk me through your reasoning on this. I believe at the end of the day Teixera will replace Gardner’s or Melky’s at-bats,or at worst Swisher’s, while Teixeira would have replaced Lowell’s. So I can’t see the Sox and the Yanks as equivalently positioned at a net 30 runs.
In the out years, I agree with you.
I just heard on 1050 espn that the Yankees flew out to Houston again.
“I just heard on 1050 espn that the Yankees flew out to Houston again.”
talking to Andy again, or Ben Sheets??
Oops sorry Andy. And according to BT it is to offer less.
“I just heard on 1050 espn that the Yankees flew out to Houston again.”
I’m on pins and needles. There’s significant crow-eating on someone’s part which may hinge on the outcome of this.
City gives up lux boxes
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01.....148964.htm
“Oops sorry Andy. And according to BT it is to offer less.”
It would be most unusual to fly to meet someone to offer less.
Wave,
This was Chone Smith’s take on Tex signing with the yankees rather than with the sox based on his Chone projections (which are very good estimates) – and this was assuming Tex replaces nady and they keep Gardner in CF:
“I ran the top 3 East teams as well. I get this:
Yankees 871
Red Sox 866
Rays 781
That’s after Tex. The American League dodged a bullet when the Red Sox were too cheap to get the Tex deal done. He’s 30 runs better than Mike Lowell or Xavier Nady, so add 30 to the Red Sox and take 30 off the Yankees and that would have been ugly. The Red Sox are still a very good team, but they can be beat. I think if they had Tex they would have run away with the American League”
For me this really put the impact of this deal in perspective.
http://lanaheimangelfan.blogsp.....cored.html
Trish, just to clarify – there aren’t different versions of Baseball (Ken Burns). I just bought the DVD, though, and watched the First Inning on Sunday. It’s like being at the HOF all over again!
Wave- I am just reporting what I heard on the radio.
So the facts are that sheets goes down with an injury in late september – every single media article including those throughout free agency that discus sheets talk about his torn flexor muscle and laundry list of injuries. The brewers who know everything there is to know about sheets offer arbitration to him which would cost them 14 million and sheets declines thinking his medical reports are good enough to land him a better deal than that in a slow market. Sheets receives almost no interest from most teams. The brewers and yankees express interest in sheets. The yanks seemingly dissapear from the table one has to assume it is due to pettitte’s potential signing as well as the signings of AJ and CC which would fill the rotation. The brewers maintain interest in sheets still wanting to re-sign him. Buster Olney comes out with an article on january fourth that says his shoulder and not his torn flexor is the cause for concern. The brewers continue to express interest in re-signing sheets.
To me, there is many reasons that these facts imply that sheets injury is not that serious – the brewers offer of arbitration without a guarantee that he will decline knowing everything there is to know about his medical record. Sheets declines believing his medical records are good enough and his current status is healthy enough to land him a deal better than 14 million. The brewers express interest in re-signing him while continuing to know all of sheets current and former injuries. Not a single reporter from september until january report that sheet’s shoulder is a cause for concern followed by olney’s article in early january. Even with olney’s article the brewers continue to remain interested in re-signing sheets. Also, at one point, multiple reports came out saying that the yanks were interested in signing sheets for two years and 30 mil or around that range and dissappear as the pettitte talks heat up which implies that the yanks either didnt think his medical history was all that alarming or later changed their minds and believed he was too risky with the decision having nothing to do with pettitte.
All in all, i think the yanks could still have some interest in sheets and with the brewers as our only competition and the brewers basically in rebuilding mode, i dont think it takes very much to sign sheets. As i said before, maybe 8 mil guaranteed for one year plus incentives leading all the way up to 15 mil and a team or vesting option for the second year if he lives up to expectations. I dont care what other teams think or the ridiculous rumors floating around – all i care about is that the brewers remain interested and the yanks were preparing an offer after looking at his records. This tells me that his current status and medical records arent so alarming as every one appears to think although there im sure there are some red flags and he is still healing from that flexor muscle injury in his forearm which takes a while to heal.
“He’s 30 runs better than Mike Lowell or Xavier Nady”
So Chone is sitting Nady. To me that means Teixeira is worth more than 30 runs to us, because I think Teixeira is more likely to come out of Melky’s or Gardner’s playing time.
We have everything in place for a championship year- an ace, 2 potential 20 game winners and two solid pitchers behind them, a fearsome lineup, a potentially solid bench (with swisher, molina, ransom/berroa, rodriguez/melky), the same quality pen we had last year and an all star closer. The only thing we have left to do is maintain our pitching depth (aceves, coke, hughes, kennedy) by signing another starter – i wanted andy or sheets. If andy is out, sheets should be in. Using aceves and hughes as our fifth starter and losing our depth to replace joba and injuries could really hurt us in the end and as pete said is the only trap door we have left to close up.
jennifer, no criticism of you was intended.
The Red Sox raised their offer after pulling out of the bidding.
They tried to play Boras and they lost.
Problem is, when they didn’t close the deal in Dallas, it opened the door to the Yankees.
jennifer: The City’s flat broke, isn’t it?
Makes sense for them to give up their boxes. I wonder if they’re doing the same thing at Citifield as well?
“So Chone is sitting Nady. To me that means Teixeira is worth more than 30 runs to us, because I think Teixeira is more likely to come out of Melky’s or Gardner’s playing time.”
Agreed. I had this worked out before when I sat down to do the calculations but Putting Tex at first, moving damon to CF and sitting gardner made the yankees themselves net 5-6 wins better. This of course assumes damon can stay healthy and is league average to slightly below defensively.
If Damon can play center Tex just becomes an enormous signing.
So if the yanks do that then Tex going from the sox to the yankees would be a net differential pick up of say 8-9 wins.
That’s devastating.
Rebecca they are. But I don’t believe they were paying a dime for either box.
“Problem is, when they didn’t close the deal in Dallas, it opened the door to the Yankees.”
This is why the incessant arguments that the yankees “bid against themselves” are often misguided. Those kind of criticisms never take into account the opportunity cost involved with getting a deal for a sought after player done and getting that player off the market.
The yanks are very lucky they got CC off the market before the angels pulled out of the tex sweepstakes.
CB,
let’s say the trading will be postponed, you think Girardi and Cashman will let the OF situation play itself out?
Dave, your post is bigger than my blackberry
Rebecca-
Word on the street is that the city is giving up their suite at Citifield as well.
jennifer: Ah, I see. Still, when your city is broke, you probably don’t want to put on such a great display of conspicuous consumption.
Buddy: Ah, drat. We can’t accuse them of favoritism
Nick – im sorry but its worth a read i think or i hope. Im just trying to gather all the facts about the sheets situation and there is alot going in from the end of the season until now. I just list all the facts about sheets and then, try to guess what they would imply. Of course, in the end, I am saying that sheets isnt ready to break and the yanks should take a flier on the guy. i MEAN he isnt going to cost much at this point and the yanks had interest already this off season before this whole pettitte charade. Point is his price has dropped so low, the risk may be worth the reward at this salary. And i dont think the original rumors of the yanks offering 2 years and 30 mil would be his asking price any more. I bet the highest they possibly pay for him is the original 14 mil he declined in arbitration.
I still think Andy P will wind up with the Yankees. The Yankees have been doing a mean media spin the last few days.
In all the reports, they have made sure to not “shut the door” completely on Andy. All the leaks have been done for a reason. Now there are rumors the 10 million salary will be reduced.
In a way the last few days have reminded me of a arbitration hearing. You want to knock a player down, but you don’t want a TKO.
Bottom line – the Yanks need Andy. Andy needs the Yanks.
CC and AJ had great years in 2008 – but it’s still an unknown how they’ll do in the NY market. Anyone who tells you otherwise doesn’t have a clear grasp of history.
Joba and Hughes have great potential but they are still kids – and they have inning limits. Wang is Wang – he should be ok – but he is coming off an injury so that’s not a slam dunk.
Andy has pitched successfully in NY. He puts up innings. He pitches thru pain. For all the posters who want to plug in any FA pitcher in that spot how do you know they won’t end up like sore butt Pavano and beg off starts for the DL?
My guess – by the end of the week – Andy will be back. It makes too much sense for both parties.
gayle, in answer to your question way up above, I did not receive anything.
“Problem is, when they didn’t close the deal in Dallas, it opened the door to the Yankees.”
Either that, or when you are a billionaire running for mayor you don’t want the public to think you demanded a free luxury suite as well…
CB
i have to agree with you on that one. At first, before tex signed with the yanks, it appeared that the yanks bid against themselves for CC. But now that they landed both free agents, it is obvious that what they gave to CC was paramount to them signing him and then, signing tex.
Oops, really bad typo on my part. My snide luxury suite post was supposed to answer to Rebecca’s 11:26 pm post, not SJ44’s. Don’t know how that happened.
Andy Pettitte or Ben sheets is the answer for the last spot in the rotation – We cant plug in aceves and hope hughes is ready in time for the first injury or coke is effective as a starter. It is too risky and injuries are certain as it is not a matter of if and only a matter of when. Without signing andy or sheets, we not only weaken the rotation but undermine the tremendous pitching depth that we have with one more signing. That could really lead to some problems later on in the season. Particularly, if hughes has a repeat of last season.
Burnett is too injury prone, wang is coming off a major injury, CC has pitched a million innings and joba is limited to only 150 or so next season – Starting pitching depth is absolutely crucial to this teams success. One more signing is key IMO.
Sorry, dave, I didn’t realize you were on a fact-finding mission. Carry on
“Burnett is too injury prone,”
…and Sheets isn’t? hmm, contradicting yourself there.
DT: Your post is right on. This is just like ARod 15 months ago on a smaller scale. I’m waiting for Andy to tell the Hendricks boys to shove it, similar to the ARod/Boras fiasco last year. Team and player are the right fit, money is about right, the contract can be tweaked to have everyone save face–just do the damn thing. By the way, the Yanks can wait until ST, as can Pettitte.
This makes too much sense not to happen.
Wave Your Hat: Ahahaha.
Just commented on mel’s blog, there was no email address for her.
Rebecca-
When someone comments on your blog do you get an email notification?
Buddy: Mine is turned off. The default option is off, so unless she changed hers, she may not get it.
CB, Nobody does numbers better than you, and more importantly I trust and believe in your breakdowns….My question is, how much have the Yanks improved with Texeria not only hitting 3rd, but as well as replacing Giambi and company at first….That’s the real issue I have always considered….How ever goes to right will be a upgrade defensively over Abreu……
Dave,
The problem with your Sheets premise is simple. You say you are “gathering all the facts”.
That’s impossible because you don’t have all the facts.
What’s said publicly isn’t what happens privately in many of these cases.
You may believe the guy “isn’t hurt”, based on media reports.
However, the facts are, he is the second best FA pitcher on the market (when healthy) and doesn’t have a standing offer.
When that happens, something is going on. In this case, the “something” is his health.
If he was healthy, he would have already been signed by somebody, most likely the Yankees, by now.