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Garcia considering Yankees and Mets

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 15, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Andrew Marchand of ESPN Radio reported today that Freddy Garcia is considering offers from the Mets, Yankees, Rangers and White Sox and could sign by the end of next week.

I would imagine it would be a minor-league contract.

Garcia rehabbed with the Tigers last season and got in three games. He hasn’t been a regular starter since 2006.

Garcia could be worth a shot. If the Yankees make a push and sign him, it could be another sign they’re moving on from Andy Pettitte.

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327 Responses to “Garcia considering Yankees and Mets”

  1. Mark (Brett is back) January 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    I know this off topic, but this pilot is a hero. Wow I can’t even imagine. Everyone is alive according to Fox News.

    What a miracle.

  2. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 15th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    Nah, I’ll pass.

  3. Arliss January 15th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    I would like to see them sign Garcia. Everyone is concerned about the 5th spot in the rotation but i have concerns about the 4 and 5 spots. Joba could be great, but at most for 150 innings. Garcia shouldnt close the door on Andy either.

  4. BBB January 15th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    If it’s a minor league deal w/an out in case he doesnt make the team out of ST or isnt called up by a certain date, then hell yeah. If it’s a guaranteed Major League deal, I too will pass.

    I don’t see either NY team or Chicago offering anything but a minor lg. deal, but the Rangers probably will guarantee him a spot in their rotation since they have no pitching whatsoever. So ultimately I wouldnt be too surprised to see him sign w/them. Too bad since this would have been a very good way to add depth.

  5. Mark (Brett is back) January 15th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Youkilis 4 years 40 million for the sox according to mlbtraderumors

  6. Bob(The Original) January 15th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Wow. That water has to be freezing cold. Amazing.

  7. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 15th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    The pilot is definitely a hero.

    Freddy Garcia. eh

  8. Jeterboy January 15th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    No Thanks… Um sign Pettitte.. 12 million.. meet him half way.. Geez!!

  9. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Giants loss still stings trust me it does :( January 15th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    That pilot is a freaking hero, 2 engines out, landing and making a u turn to land it into the water and literally saved his passengers. WOW

  10. Dr. Cox January 15th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    I was just heading into the city and turned around. Apparently they are closing all tunnels and bridges? Is this true?

  11. BBB January 15th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    MLBTR also reports Justin Christian is a non roster invitee for Orioles Spring Training. Someone remind me cause my memory sux, he was taking up a spot on the 40 man and thats why the Yankees had to release him right? Cause otherwise I cant see too much reason to do so.

  12. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 15th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    Whoa, dude, give that pilot a medal…

  13. BBB January 15th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    Amazing indeed on the part of the pilot. I get chills just thinking about it.

  14. Paulie January 15th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    Youkilis has been just as good as Tex the last couple years, and just signed for half the money per year. How does Theo pull this crap off?

  15. Paulie January 15th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    BBB – that and he’s like a 30 year old minor leaguer. ha.

  16. jennifer January 15th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Wow truly amazing that everyone lived. And thankfully he didn’t crash it into the city.

    And does anyone know anything about what was posted about the tunnels being closed?

  17. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    “And does anyone know anything about what was posted about the tunnels being closed?”

    The West Side Highway appears to be closed between 56th and 34th but the tunnels seem to be open.

  18. Bob(The Original) January 15th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    This could have been a huge disaster. Amazing.

  19. ellen January 15th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    Unbelievable. Really a miraculous thing, given where this happened.

  20. yankeefan91 (sign manny asap hes getting cheaper lol) January 15th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    wow thank god no one died i was so scared for these people thank u god for saving these people :]

  21. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    “Youkilis has been just as good as Tex the last couple years, and just signed for half the money per year. How does Theo pull this crap off?”

    Kinda helps when your team controls the guy you sign.

  22. Bob(The Original) January 15th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Can you imagine being on that plane?

    Yeah, I’d need new underwear.

  23. Bob(The Original) January 15th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    That last post left off the quote I was truing to share:

    A couple of minutes after takeoff, “we just heard a loud bang,” Panero said.

    “The plane shook a bit and … you could smell smoke and fire and immediately the plane started turning,” Panero said. “All of a sudden, the captain came on and said, ‘Brace for landing,’ and that’s when we knew we were going down.”

  24. BBB January 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm

    Wow, the news is saying not only did everybody survive, but there are no major injuries. It truly is a miracle. I can’t even begin to fathom the courage and heroism this pilot showed under such immense pressure, pressure like most of us have never known. God Bless this man.

  25. Fran January 15th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    That pilot is a hero. He knew he couldn’t get back to LaGuardia and landed in the water instead of in a populated area of Manhattan. And amazing how quickly the response was.

  26. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Pilots are awesomely skilled at their job. What a wonderful outcome.

  27. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 15th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    And the deal is unfavorable to Youkilis. He’ll be a FA his 36 season and no one likes signing 36 year old players to a long term deal.

  28. dave January 15th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    if garcia had one bad year I could see the yanks thinking he may come back just fine. But the guy has barely pitched in over two years. He will never be able to pitch a lot of innings this year. Minor league contract – fine but i cant imagine that he wont get a major league deal from a desperate team that has no pitching. Garland is a much, much better option for the yanks over garcia at a reasonable price – if the yanks want to cheap out on the last starter at the very least they should sign garland. This is NOT a sign at all that andy pettitte is not coming back just like trading for swisher was NOT a sign that the yanks were out of the tex running and signing johnson was NOT a sign that they were out of the market for a fifth starter.

  29. dave January 15th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    i think garland can be had for one year and 8 mil.

  30. yankeefan23 January 15th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    makes you wonder who deserves the 10 million, these pilots or pitchers? I’d rather have that guy saving my life.

  31. yankeefan91 (sign manny asap hes getting cheaper lol) January 15th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    wow i still cant believ this this makes people apreciate life and god more and more this pilot deserves the key of the whole united states

  32. grafxkid January 15th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    this is truly a miracle!! omg. God Bless everyone.

  33. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    “makes you wonder who deserves the 10 million, these pilots or pitchers? I’d rather have that guy saving my life.”

    So true.

  34. SJ44 January 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Relax on Garcia. If they sign him, its one of those “take a shot” deals. No harm in that. That’s what you do to fill back end slots, or add depth, to your rotation.

    The word “superstar” get thrown around a lot in sports. Mostly, its misplaced.

    These pilots are true superstars. Its amazing how cool they are in these situations and how they are able to land the plane safely and save that many lives. Truly remarkable.

    I probably fly over 100,000 miles a year for both business and pleasure. Pilots never cease to amaze me at how skilled they are.

    Unlike athletes, they can’t afford to have a “bad day”. When they do, lives are lost.

    They are amazing. They really are.

  35. BBB January 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    “makes you wonder who deserves the 10 million, these pilots or pitchers?”

    Seriously. Definitely makes you think.

  36. Doreen January 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    A miracle and a tribute to the skill of the pilot.

    I want to say that, since I seem to check in here for my Yankees fix, you people tend to keep me up to date with all of these kinds of happnenings. (I don’t like to keep tv during the day.) I really appreciate that you guys give a heads-up.

    Glad my hubby is working in NJ today.

    I don’t know a lot about Freddy Garcia. He seems in decline based on his states – was he injured/what was his injury? Is it something that can be rehabbed successfully? Would signing him really be an impediment to signing either Pettitte or someone more “reliable?”

  37. Mr Torre January 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    garland is mud…yankees arent locking up the 5th spot for 3 years on a bum

  38. dave January 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Rebecca,
    Youkillis is 29 and its a four year deal – He will be 33 at the end of it. Where do you get 36?

  39. Doreen January 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    ** um, that would be “statistics” not states. Excuse the typos – my fingers are cold (and I’ve been inside my house for 20 minutes now and was only outside for 5!)

  40. Nick in SF January 15th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    The pilot also reportedly scoffed at the suggestion that Joba belongs in the bullpen. He is a true hero.

  41. SJ44 January 15th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    Rebecca,

    That’s one of the downsides of being called up and producing later in your career.

    Youk had to balance that (free agency in his Mid-30′s) with getting 40 million guaranteed dollars right now. He probably made the correct decision.

    What’s interesting to me is there have been no long term contract talks with Papelbon. Both sides are readying themselves for arbitration.

    The Red Sox made the call to tie up Youkilis and Pedroia with multi-year deals. They are looking to sign Bay to a multi-year deal. Thus far, they haven’t gone that route with Papelbon. Makes you wonder.

    Are they concerned with his shoulder? Attitude? Burn out?

    No idea but, its unusual to see them not look to tie up a 27 year old dominant closer with a multi-year deal.

  42. Doreen January 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    Wow, if Youkilis continues to produce as he has, that’s quite a bargain for the Sox, isn’t it?

    And Pedroia is locked up, too, isn’t he?

    Listen, you have to give credit where credit is due.

  43. Rob NY January 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    But Nick… IS HE AN ACE!??? AND will he settle for $10m for his next flight? All questions we need answered before spring training.

  44. dave January 15th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Not only was Garcia on the dl for the almost the entirity of 2007 and 2008 but he had shoulder tightness during the off season when he pitched. He is 33 already and has missed two consecutive seasons – his career is likely almost over. There is no reason to put our money on these train wrecks when there are at least 3 feasible options all costing less than 12 million dollars which is about 1/40th what the yanks have already spent this off season for a potentially critical signing.

  45. G. Love January 15th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Youkilis never appeared to be the brightest bulb in the chandelier. His agent should be fired.

    The guy is 30 and was 2 more arbs away from free agency making well over 10 mill a year…now when he hits FA he’ll be 34-35 and the Red Sox won’t offer him anything and he’ll leave like Varitkek and have lost the leverage he had to secure a long term high annual avg. salary deal.

    He just took a hometown discount that will kill his Red Sox career in 4 seasons. At the very least, if he was going to take a hometown discount, he should have had them go 6 years or something.

    A guy who can play both 1b/3b with his kind of numbers and defense would have made 15 million a year minimum in 2 years as a free agent. In 2 seasons he could have have easily gotten a 5 year 75 million deal and still had the money from the next 2 arbs on top of it.

    Now he has 40 million and at age 34-35 will be trying to get one more deal. Go ask Abreu how that’s working out for him.

  46. BBB January 15th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    “The pilot also reportedly scoffed at the suggestion that Joba belongs in the bullpen. He is a true hero.”

    :lol:

    But the real question is, where does he stand on the Andy Pettitte contract negotiations?

  47. dave January 15th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Dont get me wrong, I like garcia for a minor league deal but i think we need another real signing. They can throw league minimum or even a mil at garcia but we need another legit starter and he isnt it.

  48. BBB January 15th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    As far as Youk, maybe whatever woes he had that prohibited him from becoming a productive MLB player at a younger age will rear their ugly heads again. But yeah, definitely doesnt sound like too swift a decision on his part.

  49. Bob January 15th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Good deal for the Sox. Juxtapose Teixeira’s 2008 season with Youkilis’, and you’ll discover two remarkably similar players.

    Teixeira, who’s 13 months younger than Youkilis, batted .308/.410/.552 in 574 AB’s with the Braves and Angels. On the other hand, Youkilis posted a line of .312/.390/.569 in 538 AB’s with the Sox. Furthermore, both men are excellent defenders at first-base, although Teixeira may have a slight edge.

    And while the Sox get Youkilis for 4/40, the Yankees get Teixeira for 8/180. In other words, double the length of Youkilis’ deal and four and a half times the salary.

    The moral here? Youkilis needs a better agent.

  50. G. Love January 15th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    SJ,

    I think the Red Sox know that Papelbon will not give them a discount anymore and they also fear as soon as they sign him to any kind of long term deal to his liking that shoulder is going to go.

    It’s a completely uneasy marriage in my eyes and one that bears watching.

  51. Nick in SF January 15th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    BBB, Youk rears his own ugly head every day of his life.

  52. LOL January 15th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Freddy Garcia is trash. I wouldn’t sign this washed up bum if he paid me.

  53. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 15th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    “makes you wonder who deserves the 10 million, these pilots or pitchers? I’d rather have that guy saving my life.”

    I know..so true

  54. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    dave: RAB

  55. SJ44 January 15th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    GLove,

    I agree. I’d love to be a fly on the wall of that arbitration hearing. That won’t be pretty. Which is why I think the Sox would rather settle that case before arguing it.

  56. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    I’d be amazed if Garcia decided to sign with us. His primary motivation this year must be to establish himself as a solid starter. He’s got to think the Yanks are still in the market for a veteran pitcher, and between that and Hughes, and our otherwise established rotation, his chances for an extensive audition as a major league starter for us would be minimal.

    The Rangers or White Sox would seem more likely, IMO.

  57. Doreen January 15th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    But, regarding Papelbon, aren’t teams mostly notoriously shy of wanting to sign them to long-term deals. I mean, look at the Yankees with CMW. They locked up Cano last year, and left CMW as is.

  58. Mike January 15th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    If you’re going to give Garcia a chance, then why won’t they give Ben Sheets a chance? I just don’t get it. What I do get is that the Yankees need to sign another somewhat proven pitcher rather than just throw Hughes in there again. I like Hughes, but I’m not convinced he is ready. When Sheets is healthy, he is equivalent to Sabathia. So if Garcia can get an offer from us, why not Sheets? Theres no way money has anything to do with this choice.

  59. dave January 15th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Guys, where are you getting these numbers? Youk is 29 right now. It is a four year deal: First year is 29 to 30, second is 30 to 31, third is 31 to 32 and fourth is 32 to 33. He will be 33 when he hits free agency. And he did not play a full season until he was 27 years of age so that is why he wont reach FA until he is 33. But its not like he will be 40. He can still get a solid deal at 33 and make a ton of money.. I dont feel bad for the guy. He is lucky he made it up at all after playing in the minors for that many seasons before finally finding his potential.

  60. jennifer January 15th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    Now I just have to figure out how to go home. Bus through Lincoln Tunnel, or train under Hudson River. :(

  61. Doreen January 15th, 2009 at 5:00 pm

    If only the people who deserved to be paid were paid as well as our entertainers (movies, tv, sports figures)! It’s a topsy-turvy world, for sure.

  62. Boy who blocked his own shot January 15th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    “makes you wonder who deserves the 10 million, these pilots or pitchers?”

    Do you think if that were the case — pilots would use performance enhancers to get an edge?

    Seriously, the guy is a hero, but I’d still be angry about landing in the Hudson in this weather. It’s still better than the alternative tho’.

  63. Boy who blocked his own shot January 15th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    “makes you wonder who deserves the 10 million, these pilots or pitchers?”

    Do you think if that were the case — pilots would use performance enhancers to get an edge?

    Seriously, the guy is a hero, but I’d still be angry about landing in the Hudson in this weather. It’s still better than the alternative tho’.

  64. dave January 15th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    rebecca,

    RAB must not know how to add and subtract because youk is only signed until 33 years of age unless it is more than a four year deal but mlbtr says its four years and he is 29 currently.

  65. Doreen January 15th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    dave -

    Perhaps it does have to do with whether Garcia is getting a minor league deal, or the exact amount of money and term of contract. Sheets may still be wanting to be paid and contracted as if he were not an injury risk. That would turn people away.

    But it does beg the question, I agree.

  66. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    If I’m Youk I take that deal. With $40M you are set for life even if you get hurt. The discount seems pretty typical for a guy as far as he is from free agency. And if all goes well, he’ll get at least one more shot at a big payday.

    I don’t think he’ll fire his agent.

  67. Boy who blocked his own shot January 15th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    Sorry about the double post.

  68. BroNeill January 15th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Freddy Garcia? Looks like Cash is foraging the scrap heap for some arms again.

  69. westy January 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Why hasn’t Cashman signed the pilot yet?

  70. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Well, I don’t want to detract from that pilot’s performance – he did a great job and the fact that no one got hurt is beyond great – but if pilots did make $10MM there would have been a lot fewer people on that plane to save.

  71. Bob January 15th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Plane about to crash, you know you are about to die

    You live!!

    1) Stop cheating on your wife
    2) Start cheating on your wife
    3) Start swinging WITH your wife
    4) Go to Temple, Church Mosque
    5) Build Temple,Church,Mosque
    6) Lose 20 pounds.

  72. SJ44 January 15th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    This isn’t complicated. Ben Sheets medicals are so bad, teams are leery to meet his asking price.

    Freddie Garcia will either sign a deal like Colon did today with the White Sox (1 year, 1 million) or a minor league deal with a major league roster provision in it.

    Two entirely different situations, given the amount of money both players are seeking.

    I have a feeling its between Texas and the Yankees. The Mets will probably get a Perez deal done by next week. The White Sox signed Colon today. I think those situations take both teams out of the running.

  73. David Cone's Labrum January 15th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    is there video footage of the landing?

  74. G. Love January 15th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    dave,

    Right now baseball has changed. 33, 34 is OLD. Without some of the chemical advantages players had in the past (like greenies) older players are becoming passe.

    If Youk is 29, it’s even dumber to take this deal since he could have hit free agency at 31 which would have been considered a prime year. Teams would have paid top dollar for his year 31,32,33 seasons.

    There’s a big difference in a GM’s eyes between 31 and 33.

    If Youkilis had maintained his production the next 2 seasons and won high dollar arb awards (which with his numbers he would have) he would have free agency in his prime at 31 and gotten a long term deal for 15 million per season minimum.

    Now he’s locked into 10 million a year and better hope he ages well. He’ll still have a hard time getting more than a 3-4 year deal at 33 and the numbers won’t be as nice as they would have been if he were 31.

    The Red Sox won’t touch him at 33 years old. Watch how they do business. They won’t give him a sniff if he asks for real money and a few extra years.

    In one sense he’s a great guy because he sacrificed for the team, but in another sense he’s a moron since the team he sacrificed for has no loyalty when they see any kind of risk in keeping you.

    That’s the Red Sox way. Use them up, get them cheap and get rid of them fast.

  75. dave January 15th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    Mike,

    I agree with everything you said up until the last sentence. Money is the only thing it has to do with. Garcia is ten times riskier than sheets with far less upside. But garcia will cost us practically nothing and may take a minor league contract so the yanks have interest for some reason but sheets will want a good amount more. The yanks are being real cheap with this last signing after blowing 82 mil on AJ “i cant stay healthy for two straight seasons” burnett. i HOPE the yanks realize that signing a whole bunch of crap like garcia and johnson is not the equivalent to signing someone like pettitte and they are saving very little money in this strange line of thinking but it has to be about the money. There is no other reason for it.

  76. gayle January 15th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    Jennifer–

    For me it is drive Lincoln Tunnel or drive GW Bridge.I am thinking the Bridge route as looking out my office window I see a HUGE line of police, ambulance lights on the Jersey side along River Road (which is the road I have to take to get home once to the NJ side) either way not good options

  77. Tommy January 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Sign Ben Sheets!

  78. Boy who blocked his own shot January 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    That last injured pitcher we got from a Chicago team worked out pretty well. Garcia could have some Lieber magic in him.

  79. ASH January 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Youk just signed a 40$ million deal…..I think he did OK for himself.

    “A bird in hand is worth two in the bush”

  80. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    If you’re Garcia it’s not about the money, it’s about the potential for playing time to show you are back.

    I don’t see him taking the Yanks offer, if they make one, because he can’t be reasonably confident about the opportunity to pitch in the majors with us.

  81. jennifer January 15th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    Did you see the picture with people on the wing of the plane? Amazing!!

  82. dave January 15th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    SJ,

    The difference is Sheets has the potential to help us tremendously while garcia is 99.9 percent likely to never have an impact on the major league club or at least not a positive one. And of course, there is still pettitte for an extra 11 mil or garland for an extra 7 mil that could actually help us. Signing all of this trash is not the same as signing someone solid even though the yanks are saving some pennies but after 400 mil, whats another 10 mil or so to ensure stability in the rotation. It seems like the yanks are picking a very strange time to start counting pennies.

    G love,
    I agree with you. i was just wondering why multiple ppl were saying he would be 35 or 36 at the end of the deal when he will be 33. And outside of this pretty bad marketplace, most off season deals have 33 year olds making quite a bit of money.

  83. Wave Your Hat January 15th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    jennifer=

    Nest time you’ll listen more closely when the stews tell you what to do in the event of a water landing. :)

  84. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? January 15th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    I’m not an overly religious person, but as someone who flies in and out of LGA at least 4 times a year, I can tell you that God was sitting next to that pilot today. Also deserving credit are the flight attendants, who remembered that they should open the hatches in the front of the plane and not the back as that would have flooded the plane with water and most likely drowned all of its occupants.

    No to Garcia.

  85. E-Man January 15th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Well it doesn’t answer the need for another starter but its low risk so why not. We obviously can’t rely on little Glavine and the other guy who’ll pan out better than Johan Santana.

  86. G. Love January 15th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    dave,

    I just checked. Youkilis turns 30 in March, so he will be 34 when this deal expires and be hitting free agency at 34, not 33.

    I also read that the Red Sox put in a 5th year option, but I don’t know anything about the option other than I’m sure it tilts heavily towards the Red Sox and not the player.

    That said, I’m glad he’ll be part of the rivalry for years to come. I can’t stand the guy and he makes rooting against the Red Sox fun.

  87. dave January 15th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Doreen,

    You really think sheets is still looking for a three or four year deal at this point. Heck, if sheets wasnt an injury risk, he could sign a six year deal. Sheets knows as well as anyone that he needs to lower his asking price and prove himself healthy once again to get a big payday. Even if he doesnt, he is forced to lower his price because of the market for him. iM PRETTY sure we can get him for one year and little money guaranteed as long as it included a ton of incentives and option. I think it is more money than a roster spot but really signing garcia doesnt alleviate the need for another starter. So even if we make this deal, we still have the same problem. The signing is fine for a minor league contract but it is not fine if that is the only signing we make. Pettitte, sheets, garland or trade is what i am waiting for as patiently as I possibly can.

  88. Laura - With this pitching staff, how can we lose? January 15th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    It is amazing how BOS is able to brain wash their players into taking less money than they could get elsewhere. Either those guys really like playing for BOS or they are as dumb as their fans (our own ray, notwithstanding).

  89. dave January 15th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    G love,

    He is 29 right now so next season he will turn 30, the second season he will turn 31, the third season he will turn 32 and the fourth he will turn 33. When the fourth season ends, he will still be 33 – so he will be a free agent at 33 years old but he will start off his next contract by turning 34 in spring training. If the option is exercised (i didnt know there was one) then he will be 34. I still think he will get a four year deal in a good market if he continues to play well for a decent chunk of change esp because he can play two positions.

  90. RayVTNC January 15th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Garcia is a no risk option as a minor league signing to help offset a possible injury related need. I believe we need Sheets or Andy or O Perez. Perhaps the Yankees don’t want to sign someone until they have gotten some value from a 40 man roster release.

  91. SJ44 January 15th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Dave,

    Sheets can’t help anybody if he can’t pass a physical.

    Shoulder, elbow and back problems are in his history. That’s why everybody has passed on him.

    The Yankees LOVE Ben Sheets. Don’t like, LOVE the guy. They would have signed him if he was healthy enough to help them. However, after examining the medicals they passed. Thus far, so has everybody else.

    What does that tell you? If teams thought he was healthy, or healthy enough to justify the financial commitment, he would have signed by now. Especially since, if healthy, he would have been the second best FA pitcher on the market.

    I know you don’t believe any of this and cling to the belief that because Ben Sheets himself has not said he was hurt, he’s healthy. However, he’s not, which is why he is still on the market.

    Freddy Garcia is a “take a flyer” guy and nothing more. If they sign him, and he can’t cut it, they let him. It will cost them no money of consequence if they signed him.

    If he can cut it, and pitch 100 effective innings at a nominal price, its a great move. if not, they release him.

    They can’t risk the 12+ million dollars over 3 years that Sheets is looking for in the “hope” he will hold up. They don’t want to take on that kind of risk.

    The Yankees are like a lot of teams that have decided to pass on guys with back histories in the last few years.

    I think after the Randy Johnson experience they realize backs are a tricky thing and don’t want to get into that again with another pitcher if at all possible.

    Joel Sherman talked about this last week on XM. Gave a list of teams, the Yankees being one of them, that have taken this stance in recent years.

  92. dave January 15th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    RAB said youk would be turning 36 at the end of the deal apparently which is just way off base. I dunno where they got that from.

  93. Phil January 15th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    It’s a good deal for the Sox.

  94. WayneTolleson January 15th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Its funny…I emailed Peter about Garcia yesterday and asked if the Yanks were interested and flat out said “No”. Looks like I should be writing this blog…nah, not really…but sort of.

  95. longtime January 15th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Youk’s deal 4 year with 2 club option = 6 years 30 + 6 = 36 years old, Dave

  96. saucY January 15th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    the sox hate you too youk!!! :lol:

  97. G. Love January 15th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    I think if the Yanks LOVE Sheets like SJ says they do, they should structure a deal based on health that will pay him higher than what he’s looking for on the market.

    Let’s say he’s looking for 3/36. The Yankees should offer a 3 year deal that will pay him 45 million for the 3 years if he’s healthy and makes his starts.

    If he signs and has to have surgery, the Yankees get to keep him for a low base and give him medical care, etc. That’s the guarantee he gets.

    But if the guy thinks he’s healthy and can pitch he should want to do a deal where he can dwarf what the market is based on the speculation that he won’t be healthy enough to pitch a season.

    Like perhaps the Yankees guarantee him 5 million with 10 million in incentives provided he’s healthy. It’s not based on innings or wins. The incentive is based on him being on the roster and not the DL.

    I’m sure Cashman and other GM’s have considered it and if I were Sheets, I’d take the chance knowing I can get more money that this market is offering if I sign one of these kind of deals.

    That said, if he comes down to taking a 1 year deal for 10 million or so to prove he’s healthy, I would strongly consider that but it would be with serious reservations.

  98. Carmine January 15th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    I don’t see Garcia as a viable option above Pettitte. As you said, he’s more of a minor league deal in my eyes. He’s done nothing to prove otherwise recently. Pettitte, on the other hand, pitched definitely at least okay enough to be a no. 5 starter just last year. And he did it in the AL East. I really think they should just pony up and sign him for the 1 year.

  99. Evan January 15th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Dave,

    He turns 30 before this season starts so in 09 (30), 10(31), 11(32), 12(33), Option for 13 (34), Free Agent (35) when he plays. Now what contract will he get at age 35 versus what he would have got signing at 32 when he would have become a free agent for the 2011 season is why is is a bad deal for him.

  100. dave January 15th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    SJ

    I never not once, not a single time said that i thought ben sheets was healthy currently. I know he had forearm troubles. But the shoulder, back and elbow problems the media talks about tell me their is an over-exaggeration in the air about ben sheets health. He had those problems in 2006 and early 2007 but I dont think he is about to get TJ surgery at any moment or his arm is going to fall off. Why? Because the brewers are still looking for him to come back. They want him on the cheap but the fact that melvin says they still want him and they dont want to sign any other FA pitchers tells me they think he can be healthy and effective for them. And I dont want to hear that the brewers can afford to take the risk. They really cant because they have less pitching than we do. And the rangers have expressed a lot of interest in sheets as well. So it is completely untrue to say that no team has expressed interest in him.

    My point is not that we need ben sheets as i said numerous times. i JUST THINK or KNOW that we need another starting pitcher. And Garcia doesnt cut it. If the yanks want to give him a minor league deal, i AGREE with you that that is fine – no harm in that. But he cannot be our last signing and we cannot have him taking up space on the forty man roster for the tiny glimmer of hope that he will actually be healthy after pitching around 50 and 15 innings in the last two years and then, having shoulder tightness in the off season. We need a starter not a reclamation project on our forty man. And the yanks cant sign johnson, garcia and whatever other garbage is left on the pile at the end and call it a day.

    I have not heard anywhere that sheets is looking for three years and over 12 mil. Can you link where you got that info? I dont think any one in their right minds would offer sheets two guaranteed years nevermind three.

  101. Evan January 15th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    If there is a second option then it is 36 when he would begin play as a FA

  102. Doreen January 15th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    dave -

    I have no idea what Ben Sheets wants or would settle for at this point. I’m just offering some possible explanation.

    But SJ44 is correct. I heard or read (can’t remember) which Girardi talking about Sheets way back at the start of the free agency period. He absolutely wanted the guy, if healthy. It’s not just one thing with him, it’s three – shoulder, elbow, and I believe what’s most troubling is the back injuries one of which affected an area that no one could figure out why he injured it in the first place as it is not a common pitcher’s injury, or a common injury at all. This I heard from a source from Milwaukee who was being interviewed on XM. It’s not fair, but it is what it is at this point.

  103. 86w183 January 15th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Youkilis is a nice player, but he’s not at the level of Mark Teixiera. Not only has Tex had a much bigger career, but has clearly been better in the last two years which were Youkilis’ best. The Sawx 1B has very good numbers –.300 45 198 — but Teixiera was better .307 63 226.

    Teixiera has had five straight 30+ HR, 100+ RBI seasons. Youkilis has never had one. They are comperable, but Tex is clearly better… and younger.

  104. dave January 15th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Evan,

    Is it a team option, a player option, a vesting option? He would just turn 34 in his first year of a new contract if the option is not exercised compared to 32. i agree that will cost him some money but i think he can still cash in at that age.

  105. PAT M January 15th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    I still believe that Pettite comes back …Somewhere around 12-13 million…The Yanks precieved value of Pettite and that corresponding value for the # 4 spot in the rotation is I think more than what they offered…..There is no options out there better than Andy Pettite..Not within the organization nor is there a free agent that satisfies the need for this season….Sheets maybe an option as he is indeed a high reward but certainly a high risk alternative…..Hughes must stay in AAA for at least 3 months….There comes a time when supply and demand will increase Andy’s percieved value that has been established by Cashman and the other suits that have decided to play hardball with him…..Unless they make a trade at the expense of shedding themselves of their top-tier minor league talent they have limited options…..Too come this far this offseason it’s seem foolish to play this game of chicken with Andy Pettite…..This deal gets done….

  106. no.27 January 15th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    It’s pretty simple. Youk turns 30 in March and it’s a 4 year deal with an option for a 5th year. I don’t think anyone has reported whether it is a player or team option. If the Red Sox control the option, they would control him until the end of the 2013 season. He would be turning 35 that offseason.

    You can’t really compare it to the Teixeira deal. First of all, Youkilis just had a career year. He had almost twice as many home runs, twice as many triples, and more doubles and a higher batting average than he’s ever had in any season. If you want to compare him to Teixeira based on last season, then they are similar at the plate. You could also say that Brady Anderson is comparable to Mickey Mantle based on his 1996 season.

    Teixeira was on the open market, while Youkilis was locked up for 2 more years and probably wouldn’t have gotten more than $14M for those 2 years. So the Red Sox are paying him more over the next 2 seasons in order to have him for 2 or 3 more years (depending on the option) for $10M/yr.

    It seems like the Red Sox are taking the same approach with their arbitration players that the Yankees are. Sign the position players (Cano, Pedroia, and Youk) to keep them signed past their arbitration years, but not committing long term to their pitchers (Wang and Paplebon). Paplebon will be a free agent younger than Wang, but relievers are less likely to be effective late into their careers than starters. Seems like a good strategy to me.

  107. five iron from fenway January 15th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Can someone give me a projection for Garcia for Pettite for this year. I know Garcia is coming off of injury, but if reasonably healthy what how wold they compare over the first few months of the season (I assume Aceves, Hughes,Kennedy, or Horne, or someone else) gets the spot after the all star break.

  108. dave January 15th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    Longtime,

    The deal has two options?

  109. saucY January 15th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    and i agree with Doreen regarding no long term deal for Papelbon. pitchers seem like much bigger question marks, especially long term. i think that’s why between the yanks/sox, you’ve seen Pedroia, Youk, and Cano get several year deals, while both Wang and Papelbon get none…

  110. dave January 15th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    Im sure sheets has limited his expectation of his future contract to take into account the high risk that teams feel about him. I would take him on a one year 10 mil deal with 5 mil in incentives or a two year deal with a very low guaranteed salary like 5 mil per but incentives taking him all the way up to 12 mil for starts and innings. The first deal, gives him a lot of guaranteed money but we only owe him 10 mil if it doesnt work out and he can be a pretty high payed player if it does. tHE SECOND guarantees him two years but very little money if he doesnt stay healthy and the yanks are still only on the hook for 10 mil if it doesnt work out. 10 mil for a pitcher of sheets caliber is worth the risk. But if he wants two years and more guaranteed salary each year, it isnt worth it. But you guys have to consider the salary and the health risk when talking about risk of signing a player and not merely the risk. AJ for one year and 10 mil wouldnt have been so risky because if he is hurt, the yanks are on the hook for 10 mil but aj for 82.5 mil til the age of 37 is extemely risky for the yanks because it is a tremendous amount of money to be on the hook for with that kind of pitcher. It isnt just about AJ’s health risk, it is the money and the health risk that makes the risk of the signing in my opinion. Sheets for only 10 mil guaranteed isnt all that risky because what is the worst that happens? Sheets goes on the dl and the yanks give him the 10 and he is on his way… but for more money or years,FORGET IT!

  111. dave January 15th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    My main and original point was signing garcia to a minor league deal should have absolutely no bearing on whether or not the yanks sign another starter. Whether it be pettitte for 12 or sheets for less than 10 or Garland for less than 8, the yanks need to sign another player whether or not garcia is signed. And all of these options are less than 12 million dollars making them very little money for the yanks but very important. Garcia to a major league deal is a gigantic waste of a roster spot and not worth the room he takes up. To me, it should be a minor league deal for garcia or nothing.

    I have tp study i will talk to you guys later.

  112. SJ44 January 15th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Dave,

    It’s not media overeaction re: Sheets’ injuries. Teams don’t care about media reports when it comes to a players health.

    His health issues are significant enough for teams to pass on him based on what teams see in his medicals and nothing else.

  113. Smarter than you January 15th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    It would be a better signing than that of Jason Johnson.

  114. Gary January 15th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Papelbon has said he wants to set the standard for closer money surpassing anything that Mo got.
    At the rate Francona uses him, he’ll have arm or shoulder issues and that contract will not see fruition.
    He’ll obviously win his arbitration case this year but it won’t be pretty at the hearing.

  115. dave January 15th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    SJ,

    I didnt mean the teams were being impacted by the media’s over-exaggeration. i MEANT fans in this blog are over-reacting to sheet’s medical history.

    If sheets reports are that bad, why do the brewers still have interest in re-signing him? They dont mind taking a risk …

    Where did you read that 3 years and 12 plus mil figure? I was curious about that.

    I think, you think i want sheets for any price without regard to his health risk. I know he is really risky. I just think for a price, he is worth the risk for what he could potentially bring to the table. Guaranteeing sheets 8 mil wont really impact the yanks THAT much if he gets injured and doesnt provide them with anything but in the event he stays healthy, he is a HUGE boost for the club guaranteed them the best staff in baseball pretty much. That is why he is so enticing but not enough to give him any more than 10 mil guaranteed and I would prefer even less than that. Further, it is not so much that i want sheets as it is that i JUST want someone who is capable of pitching significant quality innings for the yanks.

  116. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    verducci said on hot stove expect sheets to be in the $5M-$6M plus incentives area.

  117. dave January 15th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    I think jason johnson and freddy garcia are comparable. Garcia is obviously better when healthy but both will likely give us nothing next season and neither should be taking up space on the 40 man.

  118. PAT M January 15th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Dave,,,,The Sheet’s medical chart must contain some serious downside…..Ben Sheets is an outstanding talent indeed, when healthy…..The real red flag is his back…As any athelte will contest to that when your core has been compromised that’s it…Look at a Tim Wakefield who tosses a knuckleball, which requires far less tourque than a power pitcher, and all the problems he’s enduring…..

  119. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    If you take a large monetary risk on an injured or injury-prone player, your team needs to be ready to fork over the entire contract if they can’t play, because insurance companies are more leary than ever about covering disability for these players. I’m sure that’s playing a part in teams decision making.

  120. Frondirre January 15th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Teixeira and Youkilis are basically the same age are both great fielding 1st basemand and put up very similar batting lines last year.

    How do the Sox get Youkilis for 4/40 and the Yankees get Teixeira for 8/180 ? What’s wrong with this picture ?

  121. dave January 15th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    Hamfighters,

    That is exactly why i want to get him. iS THE YANKS PAYING OUT 6 MIL WORTH THE RISK OF SHEETS? What exactly do we lose if we give up 6 mil for the chance of having by far the best rotation in baseball? 6 mil is nothing for the yankees. Sheets is an ace when healthy and has never pitched less than 100 innings or less than 17 starts. Certainly, you guys are willing to admit that 6 mil is a fair price to pay and would be worth it for ben.

    Sj, i really think your three years 12 plus mil figure is off by a significant margin. In this economy, with the surprising lack of interest, i think he makes no more than 8 mil guaranteed.

  122. Smarter than you January 15th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    I’d rather give a 40 man spot to Garcia than Ransom. He’s a bad defensive SS. The Yankees need Jeter’s back up to be able to play defense, especially now that they are a pitching-centered team.

  123. Carmine January 15th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    The thing about Hughes and Aceves, for me is their role on the major league level is going to come whether we like it or not. Burnett’s going to get hurt…it’s what he does. Joba has to have an innings cap. And then there’s always a chance CC or Wang gets hurt. That will be their role. We need a no. 5 starter we can look at and know he will, theoretically, be able to give us a full year. Garcia cannot. Johnson cannot. Pettitte can.

    I feel like I’m Andy’s agent, but I’m not. I promise.

  124. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    sheets is so not the right guy for the yankees here. its more important they get a guy who they can count on to be out there every 5th day. sheets has a great upside, but if u sign him, expect hughes or somebody to spend a big chunk of or most of the season in the rotation.

    they need someone dependable, they already have guys with stuff. real nasty stuff.

  125. dave January 15th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Frondirre,

    Cashman did what he is best at. Throwing so much money at a player that their monetary value excedes their actual value to a team. Im just kidding – cash has done fine this year. I really outside of burnett’s exorbitant contract, have no complaints.

  126. Fran January 15th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    MLB Owners passed 2 rule changes today-

    - In the event of a tie at the end of the season, instead of a coin toss to determine where the playoff game will be, they will go by head to head record.

    - All playoff games will be played to conclusion – no rain shortened games.

  127. Frondirre January 15th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    I’d like to see Cash get better at paying guys for what they are going to do rather than what they used to do. Is Teixeira worth $12 million a year more than Youkilis ? I don’t see it.

  128. 86w183 January 15th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Several reasons Youkilis could be tied up for less money than Tex….

    1. He just had a career year which was no better than any of Teixiera’s five best years.

    2. He’s 30 in March and wanted to score his first big contract

    3. Teixiera was a FA and Youkilis wasn’t

    4. Teixiera is 13 months younger and a switch hitter

    The idea that they are similar players is not supported by any facts. Even if you decide Youkilis’ career year will become his standard year and even then Tex is better.

  129. Patrick January 15th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Frondirre, You can’t compare what Teix got to what Youk got. Teixeira’s price is obviously higher because he was on the open market. Youk isn’t a free agent for another few years. If he were a free agent right now I’m sure he’d get a contract much closer to Teixeira’s.

  130. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Sorry to hear about Todd Drew, and condolences to his family and friends.

    Plane landing was a miracle for all involved. Kudos to the crew and rescue teams.

    I wanted to attach an SI article written by Tom Verducci in July, about Tim Lincecum. It’s lengthy, but the part that’s interesting involves his pitching mechanics. IMO, that’s why the Yankees and other teams are not interested in Sheets, and should not be interested in acquiring Peavy, both possibly heading down the Mark Prior path.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  131. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    frondirre, c’mon you obviously realize you are comparing what kevin youkilis got to avoid arbitration before last year to what teixeira got when he was the best hitter on the market this year.

  132. dave January 15th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    Hamfighter,

    Pettitte is passed his mid 30s and pitched through an injury the second part of last year to his shoulder. Garland had the worst season of his career last year. NO ONE comes without risk that is still left on the FA market. We have to determine if the risk is worth the value of the contract to ensure that it is a good signing. The yanks need someone who can give them quality innings but THEY DONT NEED 200 INNINGS. They need about 100 innings until hughes is ready to take over in the majors. Signing sheets for 6 mil and him pitching a half of a season of 3.5 era ball would be getting our moneys worth and filling the hole in the lineup. He gives us what we want and we give him what he wants. A full 200 innings of quality pitching for 6 mil from sheets would be a huge signings – a masterful signing but realistically, even half of a season would be a pretty solid signing. That is why considering the value of the contract is so important – of course, we give sheets 15 mil guaranteed and the same cannot be said.

  133. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 15th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    Fran: Thanks

  134. dave January 15th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    What is with all the comments … no team wants sheets so he must not be worth a 6 mil dollar contract. dONT You guys remember every single team in the league wanted pavano for over 3 years and none of them were right. Teams are wrong and quite often they are wrong. Just because most teams think he may not be worth the risk doesnt mean he is not. Clearly, the brewers think he is worth the risk and they have more info than anybody else in the league. Certainly, 6 mil guaranteed will not break the yanks bank and bankrupt the if sheets only pitches 50 innings. It will still be a far, far better signing than pavano or igawa. If sheets gives us 100 innings for 6 mil, we got our moneys worth and he plugged the hole in our rotation and hughes can come up and start developing in the majors. If he pitched 200 innings for six mil, it will be one of the best signing cashman has ever made in his career esp for a pitcher. We really dont have anything to lose by giving sheets 6 mil guaranteed for one year plus a lot of incentives. 6 mil is almost nothing to the yanks.

  135. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    i just think sheets is too risky. i wont cry if they do sign him, i personally think hughes is going to start to establish himself this year on the mlb level, but i want to see another major league average type guy who’s dependable.

  136. SJ44 January 15th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Dave,

    The 3/36 is what Sheets is looking for. I’m not saying he’s going to get it.

    Until he moves off that number though, like Pettitte, he has yet to find a taker.

  137. Yankee Trader January 15th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    BTW, Michael Young has rescinded his trade request and will play 3rd.

    Where is it written that Sheets is looking for a one year contract, to re-establish his worth on the 2010 FA market?

  138. no.27 January 15th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    First you suggest a $6M 1 year deal with incentives, then you say if he pitches 200 innings for $6M its one of Cashman’s best signings. Where are you getting this $6M number from and what incentives would Sheets not reach by pitching 200 innings?

    Any time you need to compare a possible signing to Pavano or Igawa, it’s probably not a good move.

  139. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    dave, think about it, if sheets was healthy, he would be getting huge bucks, but he’s not so what does that tell you?

    it tells you that he’s injured. to what extent, we dont know, but you are just betting huge dollars on an injured guy and hoping you get your money’s worth. if i were the met’s id be on that like ed reed on a tipped pass. they are short on top end pitching. the yankees need a workhorse.

  140. Todd January 15th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Yankee Hot Stove on YES now

  141. lauren January 15th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    How does this signing an indication Yankees are passing over Pettitte as Garcia ia not ready for baseball when spring arrives. Certainly a one year deal with Pettitte is exactly what they need as a bridge to Hughes in the following season. Garcia is by no stretch of the imagination consistently able to pitch the entire season prior to a serious injury.

  142. EdWhitson January 15th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Sheets may be very upset with his agent right now. Didn’t he turn down arbitration to become a free agent ? If he went to arbitration, he probably would not take a pay cut. Now nobody seems to want him. Didn’t his agent think people would look at his medical records before signing him. This could change in a heartbeat, but it looks like his agent missed very badly as of now. That said, I’d still love to give him a Smoltz type deal if he is half way healthy. Or maybe a Jon Lieber deal where we have the option for year 2, in case he is hurt in 2009, but we’d still retain his rights. He is a guy I’d like to take a chance on vs. giving a lot of money to Andy or Garland for very pedestrian numbers.

  143. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    my read on what verducci said ( i believe it was ‘sign for 5 to 6 million and earn the rest) was that he’d have to sign a base of $5-6M and make the rest on incentives. i suppose that would mean that if he goes 200 innings he’d about double the money or maybe more.

  144. dave January 15th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Sheets will never get 3 years or 36 mil because there is very little market for him outside of the rangers and brewers neither of which are looking to spend large sums of money. There is no big market club in on him so it isnt likely he will get more money than he deserves and I am sure that his risk will be factored into his salary. Sheets doesnt need to declare that he is looking for a one year contract to try to cash in next year – it is the terrible market and very little interest that is forcing him to do so.

    Hamfighter,

    I do agree. While i want sheets at a reasonable price where his risk becomes worth the potential rewardi also would not mind at all if the yanks sign a guy who is perfectly capable of pitching 200 inning league average innings like pettitte or garland or a trade.

  145. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    i know quite well how beautiful the waters of the hudson are from tubing in it around north creek. but today it was even more beautiful down around manhattan!

  146. PAT M January 15th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Dave over the past week or so of campaigning on behalf of your client Ben Sheets you make a very compelling case for him…..So much so thatI’m actually thinking maybe he’s worth a shot let’s say 1 year 2nd year team option…..As compelling as your presentation is, I think it’s Pettite that returns…..I understand that I’m in the minority of his return, but it makes so much sense….

  147. Smarter than you January 15th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Youkilis’s agent should be fired.

  148. Tom January 15th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Pat M, you’re not in the minority for thinking Pettitte will return. It’s more like the silent majority.

  149. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    smarter, thats ridiculous. it was a settlement between what the socks offered and youkilis’s agent asked for in arbitration. its not like a 3 yr contract was on the table. also consider that last year was his career year.

  150. Brad January 15th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    Offer Garcia a minor league deal with an invite to ST or no deal at all. He threw in front of Yankee scouts in Arizona recently. Let their info be the judge.

  151. dave January 15th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    no27,

    Didnt you see the post that verducci said he will probably get 6 M? And im sure he meant 6 mil as a base salary. i MEANT if cash signs that kind of deal and it doesnt work out, it isnt even in cash’s highlight reel for worst signings in his career so the yanks are not losing much. but if he signs a 6 mil base and sheets pitches 200 innings it will be his best signing. That is not to say sheets would only earn 6 mil but that the original deal was for 6 mil at a base price and he would reach incentives to push his salary higher. Point was, it would be an excellent signing. So worst case scenario – we flush 6 mil down the toilet which isnt as bad as a number of past contract by cash and best case scenario – sheets pitches 200 innings as our third starter for about 10 mil or so and cash looks like a genius. That looks like a low risk/high reward to me.

    Hamfighter,

    I agree with you – verducci meant six mil base and incentives up to 12 mil or so. all these teams passing tells me sheets is risky but the brewers wanting to resign him and sheets getting offered arb and then, rejecting it for 14 mil tells me sheets doesnt have all these back, shoulder, and elbow problems that the media is saying he does. Otherwise, he certainly would have accepted unless he thought his med reports wouldnt be viewed or teams would be too dumb to realize. Both of which i doubt. The yanks need a workhorse but sheets pithed 200 innings last year and pettitte is 36 and had shoulder problems part of last season – every one left is risky in their own way. Sheets for six mil would be a steal if he even pitches over 100 innings.

    Edwhitson,

    I have made that point before. What i dont understand is that if sheets and his agent knew about all these problems the media is constantly talking about – arm, elbow, back and shoulder why in the world would he decline 14 mil in arbitration? Didnt he think that teams would see the med reports and realize some of these problems significantly lowered his value. That is a big part of the reason i think this entire thing is overblown. nOT TO say sheets doesnt have a lot of risk but not the way the media makes it out to be or sheets would have taken that 14 mil without question.

    Lauren,

    You are dead on.

  152. Web January 15th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    I like how Youkilis has a career year in 2008 and all of a sudden he is Mark Teixeira. Give me a break. Teixeira has put up consistent and impressive numbers for 6 straight seasons. Youk has played in only 3 full seasons and his numbers don’t compare to Teixeira’s. Seriously, who would you rather have?

  153. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    socks offered youk $2.52M, baldy asked for $3.7M. chances are if youkilis’s agent asked for more than 3.7, he would have ended up with 2.52 so they settled in the middle.

  154. dennis-costanza(sox fan) January 15th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    SJ.

    Great post re: pilots and their diligence and skill. I fly 75-125k each year and I am always impressed with the professionalism of the cockpit. I would like to augment your post by stating that the flight attendants must have done a tremendous job in keeping the cabin somewhat calm to have that sort of a rescue. I hope their diligence does not get passed over.

    Respectfully. -dennis

  155. dave January 15th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    Thanks PAT M. I appreciate it and I cant wait to tell ben that intelligent minds are slowly starting to turn in his favor. He will be thrilled. Ben really appreciates all the support he can get in this blog.

  156. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    dave, i think the answer is that sheets was going to get out of milwaukee no matter what and the brewers knew it, so they offered arbitration knowing he wouldnt accept to get the draft picks and placate thier fans.

  157. Nick in SF January 15th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Include me in the not-always-silent majority.

    dave, in 5,000 words or less, can you tell me what you know about the Ben Sheets situation that Brian Cashman does not know?

  158. YankeeRay January 15th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Ham Fighters
    January 15th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
    i just think sheets is too risky. i wont cry if they do sign him, i personally think hughes is going to start to establish himself this year on the mlb level, but i want to see another major league average type guy who’s dependable.

    ——-

    So if Pettite doesn’t come around and Ollie signs with the mets, do we take a chance on Sheets?
    If he doesn’t make it through the year then we spent 6 mm and turn to Hughes at that point. Maybe not so bad.
    If Sheets makes it we are golden this year and possibly beyond.

    Besides, if we sign Sheets for 6 mm we save 4 mm for the guy I haven’t mentioned yet today :)

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  160. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    i dont think they’ll get in on sheets, i think if they cant get pettitte or another fa they will aquire someone. like i said, im not against sheets, but i dont know his medical condition but since nobody seems to want him i have to assume its too bad to spend money on.

  161. teddy January 15th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    hey pete off topic, anyone know if a player who accepts arbitration who in pevious contracts had a no trade clause

  162. Adam January 15th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    Just heard about Youk’s deal – very nice for both the Sox and him. So the Sox get Youk for 40 million over 4 years and we sign Tex to 180 million over 8 years. I consider Tex to have a slight edge over Youk in offense, but I’d take Youk’s defense over Tex’s. He can play 1B, 3B, and even OF. Overall, I’d rather have Youk’s contract than Tex’s.

    I find it funny that you some of you guys are claiming Youk’s agent should be fired. Agents work for the players and, ultimately, it’s the player who makes the decision on a contract. If Youk wasn’t happy with his deal, then he wouldn’t have signed. He has 2 WS rings with Boston and is getting paid 10 million a year to play a game he loves – I don’t see why he would have anything to complain about.

  163. Nick in SF January 15th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    Youk has a lot less overhead than Tex. Pedroia is rapidly heading in that direction as well.

  164. kd January 15th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    adam,

    youk got called up late, 25 i think, and still has two arbitration years. yes, his deal is ‘club-friendly’ but it also guarantees him 40 million dollars. win win.

    that being said, tex is a better player. youk peaked and probably can’t get much better. also, if joba actually hits him next year he’ll be hurt for a long time.

    i shouldn’t write that, but it’s been a stressful day at work.

  165. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    i think considering the market now its a good deal for youkilis. he’s only made something like $4.2M to this point and he’ll turn 30 during ST. he’s grabbing $40M while its on the table and if i were him, id probably do the same thing.

    if he stays healthy, he gets another multi-year contract before he’s through.

  166. Adam January 15th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    kd – yea, definitely a win-win situation for both sides. Haha and I’m also looking forward to Youk’s future ABs against Joba. It’s gonna be a fun season.

  167. dave January 15th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    Hamfighter,

    The getting out of mil argument would make sense except for the fact that the brewers are considering re-signing sheets so i dunno how much they care about the draft picks if they are willing to take him back for a small price.

    Nick,

    I am not going to venture to guess what brian thinks of sheets or why they decided make an initial 2 year 30 mil offer and then, decided not to actually offer it. Perhaps, it had something to do with the signing of CC and AJ to large contracts. Maybe cash did not want two big injury risks with AJ already signed to a huge deal and cash thought AJ had the higher upside even for a significantly large price tag. Maybe cash looked at the med reports after deciding on that sum of money and changed his mind. Im sure cash knows sheets reports pretty well. But when i heard milwaukee was willing to re-sign ben, my first thought was that mil knows him better than anybody including all of his current health risks with all the mil doctors and trainers that have catered to sheets over the years. iF MILWAUKEE, thinks he is worth the risk, i think he may be also. brian cashman obviously thought ben was not worth 2 years and 30 mil guaranteed and i agree but certainly, at some price, cash would have to agree that sheets is worth the risk. If not 2 years and 30 mil maybe one year and 10 mil or even one year and only six mil guaranteed. That is a price 1/6th of the original reported offer the yanks were thinking of making and definitely takes into account inherent risk. 6 mil isnt exactly an exorbitant amount of money for the yanks brass and while sheets was def not worth the yanks initial thoughts on price ranger, they would do well to reconsider at a sixth of the cost. I dont pretend to know more than cash does so iM SURE he has similar thoughts at this point. was that less than 5000 words. Your going to have to let me know.

  168. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 15th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    People that play baseball in New York need to stay off airplanes

    http://www.metsblog.com/2009/0.....-airplane/

  169. dave January 15th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    im sorry = 6 mil is 1/5th of 30 mil. mY MISTAKE.

  170. dave January 15th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    Hamfighter,

    it is not no one – sheets has a market. It is just significantly smaller than it should be and that is understandable. The media is making sheets out to be the second coming of pavano. With all this nonsense talk of his back, shoulder, arm and elbow all chronic issues. Sheets has not been on the dl for his back or shoulder in years and just because his late season muscle tear was close to his elbow does not mean his elbow is a problem. As we have learned, when every team wants or doesnt want something, it doesnt mean they are right. And sheets has a market with the brewers and rangers having interest. I have to assume the market will grow as the higher teir pitchers continue to come off the market. Their are already whispers the mets may have some interest as well. But the less teams that want him, the cheaper he is. If no other big market teams are in on sheets, he will be a steal for whatever team does at a price far below his value midseason in 2008. The funny thing is, 5 months ago, sheets would have been the second best free agent in the class. He is the same guy going on the dl after 200 innings for a minor muscle tear and all of a sudden, he isnt even worth 6 mil for one year in some ppls minds. Goes to show how fast things can change for someone and he can turn it all around just as quickly.

  171. TurnTwo January 15th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    Rebecca: unbelieveable… i just read that myself, and sent it out to a couple of friends.

  172. TurnTwo January 15th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    Sheets only has a market if he’s willing to play for peanuts.

    Garcia is a nice low-risk, decent reward option for Cashman. count me in as the group that supports the take-a-flyer campaign for Freddy.

  173. GreenBeret7 January 15th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    Nick in SF
    January 15th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    dave, in 5,000 words or less,

    ————————————————————

    That’s really wishful thinking. Do you live in FantasyLand?

  174. David (In Seattle) January 15th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    Thing is, depending on just how bad his medicals are, I’d like to see sheets signed to a low base high incentive 1-2 year contract.

    But here’s the rub, I’m sure it would be a terrible move for the Yankees to sign such a high risk player who would probably be injured and never produce. BUT, it would stop Boston from possibly making a brilliant move by signing Sheets to a low base high incentive contract, it would be a GREAT move for Boston ’cause he’d most likely return to form, stay healthy and dominate.

  175. Betsy January 15th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    I saw this mentioned on another board and I agree – does it seem as if the Sox players give the Sox discounts but Yankee players always try to squeeze the last buck out of the Yankees? It’s rather frustrating.

    I read that Smoltz received an offer from the Yankees. At this point, I don’t care why he turned them down – the fact is, he did, so it’s moot. I just wonder why the Yankees would even make an offer to him, given that he can’t pitch until June at the earliest. I also wonder why the Yankees are that hesitant on Sheets (as they apparently weren’t with Smoltz). I say offer him a 1 year deal (I don’t know what would be fair, so you guys can plug in a number) and hope for the best. If he can only give 1/2 or 3/4 of a year, well – by then, Phil might very well be ready. In for a penny with Smoltz, in for a pound with Sheets.

  176. Betsy January 15th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    I saw this mentioned on another board and I agree – does it seem as if the Sox players give the Sox discounts but Yankee players always try to squeeze the last buck out of the Yankees? It’s rather frustrating.

    I read that Smoltz received an offer from the Yankees. At this point, I don’t care why he turned them down – the fact is, he did, so it’s moot. I just wonder why the Yankees would even make an offer to him, given that he can’t pitch until June at the earliest. I also wonder why the Yankees are that hesitant on Sheets (as they apparently weren’t with Smoltz). I say offer him a 1 year deal (I don’t know what would be fair, so you guys can plug in a number) and hope for the best. If he can only give 1/2 or 3/4 of a year, well – by then, Phil might very well be ready. In for a penny with Smoltz, in for a pound with Sheets.

  177. dave January 15th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    Turntwo,

    How much more value does sheets have than garcia? I would have to think at least a little more considering their skill and the number of innings they pitched last season (198 to 15). If garcia can make a million, sheets deserves at least 6 guaranteed as his potential far surpasses that of garcia and he is way more likely to make it to 100 innings or more.

  178. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    my point is that obviously brian cashman has a price he would sign him for, as im sure he does for any fa on the market, and he doesnt feel that sheets has fallen to that point yet. he knows alot more about sheet’s medical condition then we do, so im certainly giving him the benefit of the doubt. but if verducci’s prediction is true, he’s injured enough to only be worth about half of what he would be worth if he were healthy. and its falling from there. and cashman still isnt in on him as far as we know. so my conclusion is that his medical condition is too bad to put even $6M on. i have to trust cash on this cause sheets isnt going to send me his medical file.

  179. able 21 January 15th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Freddy Garcia? Ok, I guess, for the minors, but is the next name we are going to hear Kevin Brown?

  180. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    garcia isnt a signing to settle the #4 spot. he’s a flier. it doesnt put the yankees out on any other pitcher they are interested in imo.

  181. able 21 January 15th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Ham Fighters – Freddy flying up the Hudson or the East River is a crash waiting to happen.

  182. dave January 15th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Betsy,

    Its the same reason they are considering garcia. They would rather sign a whole bunch of guys who will not give them much on the cheap than make a solid signing for a little more money for a guy that is much more likely of making an impact on the club.

    GB,

    I have no idea how many words it was. i dont usually count words so I cant usually estimate how many.

  183. GreenBeret7 January 15th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    I’m sure that if Cashman was pretty sure that he could get a half a season out of Sheets, he’d offer him a deal similar to Smoltz, because as of right now, that’s apparently as big a gamble as he’s worth.

  184. jennifer January 15th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Oh damn I don’t know what is wrong with me. I thought I read that Jason sign for 4/40 couldn’t figure out what was wrong with the soxs. :lol:

  185. TurnTwo January 15th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    *If garcia can make a million, sheets deserves at least 6 guaranteed as his potential far surpasses that of garcia and he is way more likely to make it to 100 innings or more.*

    i’m not going to pretend that i know anything anyone else doesnt, but lets get real here with Sheets.

    a pitcher of his talent and competitive drive with the stuff that he possesses doesnt make it to the free agent market and get NO offers for no reason.

    its not like he’s getting low-balled like Ollie Perez and the Mets, where he’s got a couple of offers but he thinks he’s worth more… he’s gotten NO offers; not a single one thats been published.

    and there is a reason for that.

    he’s got an injury history, and finished the season last year on the shelf.

    on the other hand, while Garcia was injured, he had surgery and rehabbed himself back to health with enough time to throw a handful of innings at the end of the 2008 season, and now he’s had a full offseason to strengthen that shoulder and log innings down in the winter leagues.

    i wouldnt count on either of them in 2009 with any real choice, but as a ‘take a flyer’ candidate, one could really argue that Garcia is the better value, because he finished the season on the mound, and is primed for a nice little comeback, while committing almost no guaranteed money to him.

  186. dave January 15th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    Hamfighter,

    I dont care what his medical report says – if smoltz is worth 5.5 million and Garcia is worth a million, sheets has to be worth six at the minimum just because he pitched 200 innings last year to a 3 era. it is clear he doesnt have a major injury currently that will keep him out of ST but smoltz is going to be out for a good part of the season so it is unfair to think he deserves any less than 6. I imagine that if his price drops that low with the yanks expressing interest in smoltz that they would get back into the running on sheets. It seems high risk/high reward guys is what they are targeting currently and sheets leads that category.

  187. Tom January 15th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    The bottom line is that Sheets ended last year hurt, he has a chronic back injury, and he has shoulder issues.

  188. vin January 15th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    “Freddy Garcia? Ok, I guess, for the minors, but is the next name we are going to hear Kevin Brown?”

    You didn’t hear? Brown recently broke his hand after losing a shuffleboard match. He should be back in time for the playoffs, though.

  189. jennifer January 15th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    gayle did you make it home? I went the Tunnel route. Got home in a decent amount of time. I have a co-worker who lives in Englewood, probably took forever to get home.

  190. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    dave, stop, you dont know what his medical records say. smoltz pitched for the socks and they have talked to his doctors, he is not ben sheets.
    sheets hasnt pitched since he had to shut it down right in the middle of the pennant race.

    sheets and smoltz are different people with different medical conditions, comparing the potential salary between them is ridiculous, it all comes down to the team’s medical conditioin. by your reasoning, if thier doctor told the yankees he wont be able to pitch a single inning, he’d still be worth a $6M contract.

  191. Tarheelyank January 15th, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    Youk 4 for 40– OMG I am getting a Gammons headache already.

    Dave- I surrender. Cashman sign Sheets.

  192. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    sorry meant to say it all comes down to the team’s dr’s lookig at his medical condition

    bad edit.

  193. dave January 15th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    Garcia has had shoulder tightness during the off season when he was stregnthening his arm. He has also been out for two consecutive seasons so i highly doubt he will pitch that many innings even if effective.

    It is obvious to anyone that sheets is injury prone and there are concerns surrounding his health based on his off season. But he has tremendous talent. iF HIS price drops so low because of a lack of interest because he has THAT much risk than it is almost like taking a flyer out on a guy similar to signing smoltz or garcia both of which the yanks have interest in doing. If they were interested in smoltz who is not even going to be able to pitch for months, they should have some interest in sheets if his price drops low enough.

    I cant imagine garcia is the better value than sheets at 1 mil and 6 mil respectively. Sheets has no reported injuries that will prevent him from starting in ST, pitched 200 innings last season and was one of the best pitchers in baseball last season. Garcia has pitched about 65 innings the last two years, hasnt been good in quite some time, is coming off major surgery, had problems with his shoulder during the winter and is already 33. This line of thinking is getting a bit ridiculous. Ok – no team has interest except the brewers and rangers but have you heard of any reported offers for Garcia? Or any reported offers for looper or abreu or wolf? I havent. If we can take a flyer out on smoltz or garcia or johnson we can certainly spend an extra couple of mil to take a flyer out on sheets despite what every other team thinks.

  194. SJ44 January 15th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

    TurnTwo,

    Very well said and spot on.

    Dave,

    If you don’t care about the medical records,, thank God you aren’t the Yankees GM.

    If you can’t figure out by now why Sheets has no offers, no amount of information can help you.

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  196. Greg Cohen January 15th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    Oh, and Mets Blog is reporting that Wright was not on that plane.

  197. Boof Henderson January 15th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    why doesnt cashman go the trade route….target pitchers that are not in favour at the moment like Rich Hill or Dontrelle Willis

    otherwise bring in a vet like Pedro or Glavine

  198. Phil January 15th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    dave,

    you inability to add 2 and 2 together with regard to teams seeing Sheets’ medicals and teams backing off hsa proved mindnumbing. Congrats on your monographs. Your last name isn’t Kaczynski, is it?

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  200. Tarheelyank January 15th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Oops, There might be a market for Andy after all.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_stl

  201. dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    hamfighter,

    there are all these rumors that sheets has problems with this or that but have you heard a single report that he wont be ready by ST? or that he is thinking about some kind of surgery? His reports may look bad but there is no evidence he wont pitch well – just assumptions that he may not. And everyone who is arguing against is conveniently completely disregarding the fact that the brewers want him back which is the most tell-tale sign that he is NOT ready to fall off a cliff.

    I am tired of arguing the point here. i have said everything i possibly could say about it. The truth is I am not even completely deadset on signing sheets over pettitte or making a trade. Id actually prefer pettitte back. It is the things people are coming up with that is making me try to refute things that seem untrue. But sheets does have significant risk and maybe the yanks shouldnt sign him. iM TIRED OF TALKING ABOUT IT ANYWAY. They do, they dont, nothing said in this blog will change any decision cashman makes about the pitcher they sign if they sign any.

  202. Tom January 15th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Dave, you’re in Med school and you don’t care about medical records?

  203. no.27 January 15th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    If Sheets only gets $6mil after Smoltz got what he got, it probably means he’s in pretty bad shape. Sheets is more than 9 years younger than Smoltz and had a 3.2 ERA over the last 5 years. I don’t believe that he’s going to take 1 year $6M deal and if he does, it probably means that it’s a long shot that he contributes at all this season.

  204. dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    SJ

    I Dont care about the medical records? Where are you coming up with this stuff? I never said that at all. i HAVE NOT even seen the medical records. But most likely the brewers team doctors wrote those records… And sheets has interest. i Have said that 10 million times. mlbtraderumors has said it numerous times. I feel like you are not even reading my posts and just arguing back.

    Guys,

    I dont even want sheets ok. I will take pettitte back or garland or a trade. i JUST WANT THE YANKS TO SIGN ANOTHER PITCHER. And not freddy garcia or some other waste of a roster spot.

  205. Nick in SF January 15th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Here’s what that article says:

    “Andy Pettitte: In some ways, he’s a perfect fit. A left-hander would add some balance to the St. Louis rotation, and Pettitte reconsiders his desire to keep pitching each winter — so he could likely be had on a one-year deal. He’s the only remaining free agent who reached 200 innings in 2008. In fact, he’s hit that milestone four years running. Pettitte would likely cost quite a bit — he reportedly turned down $10 million from the Yankees — but also might well be worth it.”

    I say that if Andy seriously and truly thinks he should get more than $10 million then he shold consider offering his services as a setup man — a more demanding, important, and lucrative job than mere starter.

  206. dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    Tom,

    At what point did i say i dont care about the medical records. How could i not care about them when i have not even seen them? I dont even know what is on them. Of course, the records could be helpful in assessing his history as could talking to his doctors. I would not deny that.

  207. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    pettitte really hurt himself with talk of wanting to only pitch for the yankees and talk of retiring. if he had never said all that, he’d be getting offers for 2 or 3 years from teams, i think. you’d have to think he’d do pretty well in the n.l. central again.

    but even still, i dont see him getting offered over $10M, so it doesnt really help him unless hes gonna go somewhere else for the same money b/c he doesnt feel enough love.

  208. SJ44 January 15th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    Dave,

    You said it in your post that you didn’t care what his medical records said.

    Try reading your own posts and you will find it.

  209. Betsy January 15th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    I was at work when I saw the news – truly a miracle and the pilot is the very definition of a hero.

    My supervisor/friend at work had a harrowing experience on a plan last year. She was going to Dallas for a conference and there was talk prior to takeoff about tornados being in the area. I don’t recall why the plane didn’t wait it out, but in any case, the plane took off. As they approached Dallas, the plane flew right into the tornado – it just couldn’t be avoided. Hallie (my supervisor) told me that she could literally feel the plan speeding up. In normal conditions, you don’t feel the plane moving. In these conditions, the passengers could literally feel the plane being buffeted around. She said that many people were throwing up – the turbulence was that bad. I’m tell you guys, just listening to her story made me sick to my stomach because I believe that at that point in the story, many of the passengers assumed they were going to crash. The point is, somehow the pilot got them through this and they landed safely. Hallie in fact told me today that she believed only that particular pilot could have gotten them through that storm. That’s how much of an impact that pilot made on her.

  210. dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    Phil,

    I dont even know how to respond. i have no idea what you are trying to say in that post. I dunno that sheets history is a reason for teams backing off? When did i say that? What do you mean?

  211. TurnTwo January 15th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    *At what point did i say i dont care about the medical records.*

    um, seriously?

    *dave January 15th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    Hamfighter,

    I dont care what his medical report says*

  212. Phil January 15th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    Oh no, Andy is on a list of free agent pitchers! The Yanks are crazy not to give him the 16 now!

  213. Tom January 15th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Dave, Your 7:49 post begins: “I dont care what his medical report says”

    Granted, you were arguing Sheets value.

  214. back bench January 15th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    Just to open another festering wound while we are debating AP and Ben Sheets, Alex Cora in an interview today was asked what he thought of Manny as a team-mate and the problems he supposedly caused in the RS clubhouse. His response was that a lot of that was trumped up by the Boston media and other members of the RS organization to deflect blame for some of their own failings and mistakes. He said Manny was a terrific team mate and one of the most well prepared professionals he had ever played with (to include quite a few serious pros).

    He made an emphatic defense of Manny against what appears to be something of a ‘home cooking’ RSN problem, and said that he would LOVE to have him join the Mets. There were some very intriguing undertones there.

  215. bobmac January 15th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Pedroia got screwed with his contract in comparison to Youklis.

  216. Mike January 15th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    Sign Jones to a minor league contract right now, 500k with incentives

  217. Phil January 15th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    He’s shorter and his needs are less.

  218. dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    SJ,
    I was exaggerating to illustrate how much more value sheets has than smoltz. it is hard to put sarcasm into a post but that was supposed to be sarcasm. See smoltz is actually currently injured with proof that he wont pitch for months after the start of the season. While people continue to write rumors about sheets current health status there has not been one piece of evidence declaring that sheets could or will not start the season or pitch in ST. Further, there has been no talk of him deciding on surgery or anything of that nature. So in essence, sheets has more value than smoltz just because he can start the season while smoltz wont pitch until the summer. That is why i said that about the medical records – because they obviously dont say sheets will not be able to start the season and it is clear smoltz wont.

    Obviously, medical reports have value. So does talking to the doctors that wrote them like the ones working for the brewers. If the brewers brass talked to their own doctors who see sheets about sheets current health and they still have interest in signing sheets that tells me more than other teams who have only read reports. Reports dont usually tell the whole story while talking to sheets actual physician and reading the reports gives you a more complete picture. Does that make sense?

  219. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    that may be cora’s view, but the socks veterans basically voted to throw manny off the team.

  220. Nick in SF January 15th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    His agent wanted Pedroia to hold out for more money, but it just went over his head.

  221. Phil January 15th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    and that was before they voted to lose to the Rays?

  222. GreenBeret7 January 15th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    Who would have guessed that Dave was putting himself through medical school as a professional tap dancer?

  223. dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    Guys,
    that was clearly an exaggeration of my actual point and had sarcasm all over it. I am in medical school right now – i wouldn’t say medical reports are meaningless and actually mean it. Take the comment in its context without just reading the first line – i was comparing sheets and smoltz, the post had nothing to do with sheets health and i was talking about contracts and value. The post didnt have one thing to do with sheets actual health unless by comparison to that of smoltz.

    mY POINT was his medical reports nor any other reports say that sheets wont be able to start the season. While it is a well known fact smoltz wont. No matter what the reports say, that fact wont change. So in essence, sheets has more value than smoltz without even reading the medical reports. i GUESS it wasnt sarcasm but it wasnt meant to be taken literally.

  224. Betsy January 15th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    Dave, I’m sorry, but I’m just not as cynical as you are. I don’t know why the Yankees went for Smoltz and not Sheets except, I suppose, for the obvious: Smoltz’ shoulder must look in relatively good shape and Sheets’ must look god-awful. Given what the Yankees have spent this off-season improving their team, I don’t see how you can be unhappy.

  225. Boof Henderson January 15th, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    redsox always screw there players….use the media to paint them as the villians….Mueller,Nomar,Pedro,Manny

    Ortiz will be next after he stinks it up in 09

  226. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 15th, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    Dave: You need to proofread your posts before you post them sometimes.

  227. no.27 January 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    200 posts say “the yankees should sign ben sheets” including “i don’t care about his medical reports”

    then, “i don’t want ben sheets”

    then “i never said i didn’t care about his medical reports”

    then “ok, i did say that, but i was exaggerating to make a point”

    what are you trying to say?

  228. dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    clarification:

    The quote was like the equivalent of saying: I DONT CARE HOW MUCH SMOLTZ MAKES, SHEETS DESERVES MORE. Obviously, that comment doesnt mean how much smoltz makes is completely irrelevant. It just means that sheets appears to have more value than smoltz so he should make more. if smoltz was making 16 mil, it would just mean the sox made a bad decision and it is clear sheets does not deserve more. In the same way, if sheets medical reports said that his shoulder soreness was a clear indication of impending surgery. The report would mean that sheets does not deserve more. i HOPE that clarifies it.

  229. Boof Henderson January 15th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    i heard the Cardinal, Rangers, Brewers, Diamonbacks and recently the Mets are all interested in Sheets. his medical reports cant be that bad

  230. PAT M January 15th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    The bottom line is that the club needs to sign a starting pitcher to fill the 4 slot…..If by some chance Andy is not that guy, then looking at what is available Ben Sheets will be re-considered heavily….Frankly I thought if they were going to take a flyer it should have been Brad Penny…..Man if Sheets could make 25-28 starts, the Yanks waltz into October…..Sheets is still on the burner I think….But Pettite returns….

  231. dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    Rebecca,

    even if i read it over, the comment would have stayed. The comment was not meant to be taken literally. If the comment was read in context instead of ppl simply reading the first line and writing a response i think it becomes abundantly clear that i was not even talking about sheets health at the time. It was just a comparison to what smoltz got from the sox and why sheets should probably make more than that despite his current status.

    no27,

    i tried to clarify it but i may have just made it more confusing. The point was not literal – medical reports are obviously useful. The point had nothing to do with overlooking medical reports when signing a player or anything like that. It didnt even have anything to do with health. It was merely to emphasize a point.

  232. Ham Fighters January 15th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    there is no waltzing in the a.l east.

  233. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 15th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    I think I need a study guide on how to follow along and understand dave’s posts.

  234. dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    GB,

    Are you mad at the world or something? Your posts are unecessarily mean and obnoxious and not just to me. Stop with the attitude problem – its not even funny.

  235. dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Pat M,

    You are the only one that makes sense to me right now. Good post.

    I will make sure to never, ever to say anything that cant be taken literally again. But it helps to read something in its context before commenting on the post.

  236. GreenBeret7 January 15th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    PAT M
    January 15th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
    The bottom line is that the club needs to sign a starting pitcher to fill the 4 slot…..If by some chance Andy is not that guy, then looking at what is available Ben Sheets will be re-considered heavily….Frankly I thought if they were going to take a flyer it should have been Brad Penny…..Man if Sheets could make 25-28 starts, the Yanks waltz into October…..Sheets is still on the burner I think….But Pettite returns….

    ————————————————————

    PAT M, just for the sake of conversation….would you offer Sheets the same contract that Boston gave Smoltz?

  237. Mike January 15th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    No one is going to offer Andy Pettitte 10 million dollars unless they really need pitching and have money to burn, and I think the team needs to be a competitor too, I don’t think he’ll sign with just anyone

  238. pat January 15th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    “that may be cora’s view, but the socks veterans basically voted to throw manny off the team.”

    And you believe that because Pete Gammon’s says so?

  239. dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    Boof,

    Dont tell the blog that. It will undermind the entire notion of “no one being interested in sheets so we should follow everyone else and have no interest either” even though both of those points are incorrect. Teams DO have interest in sheets AND following what everyone else is doing does not always mean success. Actually, following the crowd might mean a 50 50 shot of it actually working out.

  240. Tom January 15th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    Dave, Sarcasm is best expressed when used with a smile faced thing.

    :wink:

    http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies

  241. dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    SA

    Its pretty simple. If you read the post, read the whole post. Dont just glance at the first line and then, start writing a response.

  242. Nick in SF January 15th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    Sheets is holding out for a bidding war to develop between Dr. James Andrews, the Mayo Clinic, and the Smithsonian.

  243. dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Tom.

    The problem is it wasn’t so much sarcasm as just said to illustrate something else. If read in context, i thought it was clear it wasnt said literally – but i guess i was wrong or everyone just read the first line. Next time i will use a smiley face or just never say anything that cant be taken literally.

  244. Tom January 15th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    with the Cleveland Clinic waiting in the wings.

  245. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Giants loss still stings trust me it does :( January 15th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    *Quarterback Andre Woodson, the sixth-round draft pick who spent the season on New York’s practice squad, was among nine free agents signed by the Giants on Thursday.”*

    I don’t want to read into this but Eli is in trouble. Jerry Reese signed his big QB pick from the draft off the practice squad to the team roster it means he’s close to NFL ready.

  246. ray (sox fan) January 15th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    Boof Henderson
    January 15th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
    “redsox always screw there players….use the media to paint them as the villians….Mueller,Nomar,Pedro,Manny

    Ortiz will be next after he stinks it up in 09″

    This is an interesting comment in the midst of New York media and fans hammering Andy Pettite.

  247. gayle January 15th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Jennifer-

    Yes thanks made it homejust fine took the GW bridge via backroads getting hre (ie not the west ide highway) and all was good. Couldnt take the Lincoln as the road I take from there was closed as itis the same road as the ferry aND THEY CLOSED THAT FROM THE LINCOLN TUNNEL until the hospital which is about 1.5 miles from my house.

  248. PAT M January 15th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    GB7,,In a heart beat I’d sign him…..What is interesting is that after the Sabatia signing, the issue was who to sign next, AJ, Lowe or Sheets….Many of our more astute contributors were not completely against signing Ben Sheets….In fact I remember many were against signing him….However, Ben Sheets recieved much support here and suddenly he’s the bandaid kid…..In fact the choice between him or Lowe was close to being even in support from the locals here….If Pettite is a no go, the spotlight will shift to Ben Sheets to fill the hole in the rotation….Dave has been campaigning for Sheets and has never strayed….I give him credit for sticking with him, unlike so many here that gravitate towards the flavor of the week…..

  249. PAT M January 15th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Correction…Many were against signing AJ…..

  250. Nick in SF January 15th, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    “This is an interesting comment in the midst of New York media and fans hammering Andy Pettite.”

    ray, for shame! The fans are very split about Andy, as is the media. But the comment to which you refer related to the Red Sox *organization* trashing its own players as it pushes them out the door. Have you heard a negative word about Pettitte from Brian Cashman?

  251. Joe from Long Island January 15th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Nick from SF – You’re right. Cash has always been careful not to knock players; just look at Carl Pavano. Cash always supported him in public. He even went to Andy’s home in Texas to talk to him about the offer. Hardly a sign of disrespect.

  252. AROD fan January 15th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Freddy Garcia is one of my favorite baseball players. Objectively I think the Yanks are better off with Pettitte or a number of other pitchers, but if they are going to go for it why not sign him and put him in the pen or use him in case of injury, or in other creative ways. That would make my day.

  253. Phil January 15th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Brandon,

    Are you joking? Teams always add from the practice squad to the offseason roster, cause the limit in the offseason is 80. If you don’t sign them, they become FA’s. The framework for Eli’s extension has been done for awhile and probably will be finalized before training camp. btw, Jacobs should be done any day now.

  254. Boof Henderson January 15th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    redsox have no class…they trash there own players…broke the unwritten rule with japan.there front office are a joke that get praise from the espn fan boys…fenway is a dog kennel

    i bet Ortiz leaves on bad terms, with the redsox racist front office spinning to the media a load of rubbish

  255. dave January 15th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Pat – very good point.

    If you guys remember back to the vote that pete put up. Guess who was leading the vote after months of voting? It was sheets. Sheets had more votes than AJ and more than Lowe. If i remember correctly, Sheets was first, AJ was in second and Lowe was in third. And the conversations around here were a lot more two-sided regarding sheets. Since we signed AJ and those ridiculous reports came out from media without sources that Sheets was having back or shoulder or whatever the media decided to say that given day, a lot of sheets support has drifted. And then, today, we have a conversation over whether or not smoltz deserves more than sheets. How the tide has turned in a matter of weeks. Cash said no to sheets and 2 years and 30 mil but something tells me he will be a lot more interested in sheets at one year and 6-8 million. I cant read cash’s mind or anything but i have a feeling we may start hearing a renewed interest from the yanks. I hope cash just signs somebody already mainly because i am tired of talking about which pitcher we should sign.

  256. DT January 15th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    I hope the Yanks sign Garcia.

    I can’t wait for the Pete Abe quotes that start with “Freddy sez”

  257. Andrea January 15th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    I’m late to the conversation, yet again, but I’ll throw this in the mix.

    I’ll take Garcia if it’s a minor league deal. I’m with DT though. Pete posting “Freddy sez” would make it worth it.

  258. GreenBeret7 January 15th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    PAT M
    January 15th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
    GB7,,In a heart beat I’d sign him…..What is interesting is that after the Sabatia signing, the issue was who to sign next, AJ, Lowe or Sheets….Many of our more astute contributors were not completely against signing Ben Sheets….In fact I remember many were against signing him….However, Ben Sheets recieved much support here and suddenly he’s the bandaid kid…..In fact the choice between him or Lowe was close to being even in support from the locals here….If Pettite is a no go, the spotlight will shift to Ben Sheets to fill the hole in the rotation….Dave has been campaigning for Sheets and has never strayed….I give him credit for sticking with him, unlike so many here that gravitate towards the flavor of the week…..

    ————————————————————

    Pat, I was only asking because that’s the only kind of deal I’d consider, assumming Sheets’ medical reports are no worse than Garcia’s or Smoltz’. Even if NYY were to sign Pettitte, I’d consider it and let him and Chmberlain split the 34 starts and even cut Petttte’s and Burnett’s by a couple. It would keep Pettitte and Burnett fresh for the year. NYY is going to need 6 starters anyway to keep Chambrlain’s innings under control.

  259. Todd January 15th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    No way Yanks are done… They either sign Sheets, Pettite, Manny, Garcia or Andru Jones………….

  260. Nick in SF January 15th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    Joba’s innings aren’t going to be the issue people think they will; the Joba impersonator has almost been inked to a deal, pending his legal issues.

  261. PAT M January 15th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Picher and catchers report in what 30 days…So with that in mind, the window is starting to close….All the legal paperwork, physicals and such means if they want all their pitchers to report on time something needs to be resolved within the next two weeks I would think….

  262. dave January 15th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    If we cant get pettitte, sheets is really the the next best option on the FA market followed by garland. There is always the chance of a trade which is difficult to put on this list because it would depend who we traded for and who we gave up in order to rank them against the other three.

  263. ray (sox fan) January 15th, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    “ray, for shame! The fans are very split about Andy, as is the media. But the comment to which you refer related to the Red Sox organization trashing its own players as it pushes them out the door.”

    Hey Nick. I will grant you that you have made a valid point.

    I just think that in some ways Yankee fans and Sox fans are more like each other than either set of fans would like to admit. Each set of fans has standards for the other set that they don’t observe themselves.

    For example, Boston fans and the front office have often made a big deal about how much money the Yankees spend on players, but then turn around spend 50 million just for the right to talk to Dice-K.

    Yankee fans complained about how Papelbon pumps his fist after striking someone out, but changed their tune a bit when Joba pumped his fist.

    I just think by the very nature of being a fan it is really difficult to be objective all the time. It should be suspect when anyone makes absolute and all encompassing statements about the other fans.

    There are Sox fans that are jerks just as there are Yankee fans that are jerks, but there are also some decent Sox fans and some decent Yankee fans.

    Far too often what Sox fans accuse Yankee fans of they are guilty of themselves and vice versa IMO.

  264. Boof Henderson January 15th, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    If im Cashman im ringing the Tigers… and see what they want for Dontrelle Willis, they were going to trade him for Julio Lugo in 08. Tigers might want to drop some salary

    Willis is signed for 10mil in 2009 and 12mil in 2010.not to bad

    Willis seemed to lose his confidence and ability to throw strikes. i think he can get his swagger back in NY

    Huge upside if Willis get back on track. he only 27

  265. DT January 15th, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    Nick in SF
    Joba’s innings aren’t going to be the issue people think they will; the Joba impersonator has almost been inked to a deal, pending his legal issues.

    As long as he throw bagels up on the scoreboard it’s ok with me.

  266. kill.schill(ing) January 15th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    Here’s a great quote from the Red Sux Nation’s Minister of Propaganda and All-Purpose Toady.

    “What’s really the difference between Burnett and Penny? If Penny had been on the market last year he would have been a $100 million dollar pitcher [exceeding, in other words, Burnett's contract]“– Peter Backgammons, Michael Kay Show, 01/14/09

    Why is this man a respected journalist– a Hall of Fame journalist?

    I guess the combination of cringing flattery and fulsome sycophancy and the slightest pretense of objectivity takes you a long way in baseball journalism.

  267. GreenBeret7 January 15th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    January 15th, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    I just think that in some ways Yankee fans and Sox fans are more like each other than either set of fans would like to admit. Each set of fans has standards for the other set that they don’t observe themselves.

    ————————————————————

    Ray, what a terrible thing to say. You’d never see a Yankee fan wearing red silk stockings and a pink hat.

  268. TurnTwo January 15th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    *Willis is signed for 10mil in 2009 and 12mil in 2010.not to bad*

    not too bad? that potentially might be the worst money spent on any player during that time period by any team.

    if Detroit agreed to pay 75% of his remaining salary, i still wouldnt trade Eric Duncan for him.

  269. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 15th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    dave January 15th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    SA

    Its pretty simple. If you read the post, read the whole post. Dont just glance at the first line and then, start writing a response.

    ========================================

    See..I already did that with regards to your posts and sadly it didn’t work.

  270. ray (sox fan) January 15th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    “Ray, what a terrible thing to say. You’d never see a Yankee fan wearing red silk stockings and a pink hat.”

    GB, you aren’t wearing the red silk stockings and pink hat that I sent to you for Christmas?? I am disappointed. :)

  271. Boof Henderson January 15th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Willis is a 2time allstar,former rookie of the year,a 22 game winner, he had a off year last year

  272. dave January 15th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Boof,

    After giving up prospects to take on the tigers burden, we should see what the giants want for zito. Why would you want to pay dontrelle 22 million? He is terrible and has always been over-rated since day one. Werent you one of the people saying we shouldn’t blow 6 mil on sheets because he has too much risk and you want to give dontrelle 22 mil? That doesnt make too much sense.

  273. Mr Torre January 15th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    i would take willis for kennedy and humberto sanchez

  274. TurnTwo January 15th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    *Willis is a 2time allstar,former rookie of the year,a 22 game winner, he had a off year last year*

    i think this also might be the understatement of the offseason.

  275. David January 15th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Willis was crappy the year before as well. He just isn’t that good.

  276. dave January 15th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    dONTRELLE has had an off year for three years. Either that, or 2005 was an abberation.

  277. Boof Henderson January 15th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    dave

    as proven by others,you cant read

    ive never mentioned offering sheets 6mil or being a waste

    you are to busy writing your long pathetic posts to notice

  278. Nick in SF January 15th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    ray, ray, ray… You know I love you like a brother (not the way I love my own brother, more like the way Barack Obama loves his African half-brothers, the ones he’s never met and live in mud-huts in Kenya with no MLB package), but… you were trying to make some comparison between how *some* Yankee fans presently view Andy Pettitte and how Red Sox *management* trashes its own players. No sale!

    The rest of the stuff, some fans think this about their own players and that about other team’s players… whatevs! If you want to compare the pure baseball exuberance of young Joba with the ‘Lord of the Dance’ showboating of Papelbon, go right ahead, but it has little to do with the original point.

    Case closed!

  279. GreenBeret7 January 15th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    ray (sox fan)
    January 15th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
    “Ray, what a terrible thing to say. You’d never see a Yankee fan wearing red silk stockings and a pink hat.”

    GB, you aren’t wearing the red silk stockings and pink hat that I sent to you for Christmas?? I am disappointed.

    ————————————————————

    Ray, I hesitated to tell you, but, I was going to try them on, but, when I went to get them, I discovered that somebody had broken into the house and stolen them. Your thoughtful gift was deeply appreciated, though.

    Evening, Ray….hope you an the (sox fan) family are having a great time keeping warm. Just a second, while I turn the air conditioning down.

  280. dave January 15th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Id prefer to trade for harang then willis. Harang is coming off an actual off-year while willis is coming off most of a career of off years and both of them cost about the same next season. Harang is just a far, far better pitcher and has one more year on his contract than dontrelle but he can also be traded after next season with 2 years and 26 mil left on his deal – that is probably an ace for any NL team and we could get back something very useful. i DOUBT it will happen but it definitely sounds good in theory.

  281. ray (sox fan) January 15th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    “Evening, Ray….hope you an the (sox fan) family are having a great time keeping warm. Just a second, while I turn the air conditioning down.”

    Now that was just plain mean (lol) talking about the weather. It is the coldest night of the season so far, about 15 below zero right now.

    nick, my brother from another team, as always you make some very good points. I will admit that the Boston front office is harsh sometimes about outgoing players, and I don’t ever recall hearing Cashman trash a player.

    I hate it when you are right Nick. :)

  282. Boof Henderson January 15th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Why would the Reds trade us there number 1 pitcher….they would want Hughes + Ajax and probaly Nady

    Harang gives up about 30 Hr a year…you could add another 12 hrs being in the AL east

  283. dave January 15th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Boof,

    I could swear you were on the I dont want sheets for any amount of money bandwagon but i didnt want to scroll through hundreds of comments looking so i thought i would ask.

    Clearly, YOU cant read because you did not even respond to the post i sent out. i SAID that werent you one of the ones saying sheets was too risky for 6 mil or even if you werent do you think that? because dontrelle is far worse and probably more risky with his 3 and not oNE horrendous years in a row. But good try. And im sorry i didnt remember what everyone was writing while i was trying to answer 10 different ppls posts to me.

  284. back bench January 15th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    “just as there are Yankee fans that are jerks”

    Mon dieux! Round up the usual suspects.

  285. Nick in SF January 15th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    ray, you are a class act as usual, and I’m glad I could help further your education once again. ;)

  286. Boof Henderson January 15th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    dave

    i would take a serious look at Sheets. if healthy he would have the best stuff on our staff,he flat out nasty

    it would have to be a 1 year deal though. if he is healthy in 09 the results will be there and he would get his big pay day in 2010

    im not Cashman though

  287. dave January 15th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Harang is coming off a terrible year and was probably their third starter. I think volquez successfully took over the title of reds ace or at the very least showed he could be their ace. They really need outfield help and righty power and considering manny is the only righty power left on the FA, nady is looking pretty good to them. I know nady for harang is not enough obviously but the reds really need help filling out their rotation. We have a couple of pitchers who could be pretty solid starters in the NL – Aceves, Kennedy, Jackson, Wright possibly.

    We could also give them bullpen help. i figure a package of Nady, Aceves and Robertson could get it done. Hughes and AJax would definitely not be necessary for harang – they are at league minimum or less for years and harang has 3 years and 37 mil left on his contract so that has to be considered as well. THIS IS NOT SANTANA. i like how you say harang would require our best prospects and how he is an ace so we cant get him and then, mention why he wouldnt succeed as a yankee. iF HARANG turns around last years performance he would be pretty solid for us – a good fourth starter. i SAID IT WONT happen but its nice to dream.

  288. dave January 15th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    I wouldnt say sheets for any more than one year either unless the second year is a team option. i DOUBT SHEETS will get more than one year from anybody with all of this risk floating around about him.

  289. BBB January 15th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    “I can’t wait for the Pete Abe quotes that start with “Freddy sez” ”

    Wow, a fringe benefit I hadn’t even considered! Now I’m REALLY in favor of this signing :D

  290. dave January 15th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    if freddy gets a minor league deal im in favor of it too. But i just hope it is not the last signing we make.

  291. Boof Henderson January 15th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    What about Glavine? for 1 year

  292. PAT M January 15th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    GB7,,,Signing Pettite and Sheets would be a stretch considering the heat that the Organization is getting for spending all their dough this winter…..My biggest concern is come late July things are tight and pitching depth is an issue because Cashman tried to pinch a couple of million back in January……I asked a few days ago if anyone had a clue as to how more money the club will pull in this season in ticket receipts as opposed to last season at the old yard….Judging by the prices for seats it has to be a significant amout of bank…..You get my point

  293. back bench January 15th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    “I asked a few days ago if anyone had a clue as to how more money the club will pull in this season in ticket receipts as opposed to last season at the old yard”

    As posted yesterday, Selena Roberts of SI reported that the bad economy has hit the NYY late, but hard. 2009 revenue numbers will not be good at all. The BOA is a big MLB supporter, and especially supports the Yankees. They are hurting big time.

    The same report said that the METs owners took a bigger hit from Madoff than they are letting on. Any validation to this and its impacts?

  294. PAT M January 15th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    Being conservative, let’s just say each ticket in the new park is $ 10.00 more than last season…That’s over 500,000.00 per game not including food, drinks etc….I always thought the split was 20 % visiting team & 80 % home team….That’s alot Yankee Dollars…..

  295. GreenBeret7 January 15th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    PAT M
    January 15th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
    GB7,,,Signing Pettite and Sheets would be a stretch considering the heat that the Organization is getting for spending all their dough this winter…..My biggest concern is come late July things are tight and pitching depth is an issue because Cashman tried to pinch a couple of million back in January……I asked a few days ago if anyone had a clue as to how more money the club will pull in this season in ticket receipts as opposed to last season at the old yard….Judging by the prices for seats it has to be a significant amout of bank…..You get my point

    ————————————————————

    Pat, I don’t know how much the Yanks will rake in from the new park, but, for a one year investment, it’s not a bad deal, especially if NY moves Nady or Swisher, which would mean that Sheets, at the most would cost 5 mil after subtracting one of those salaries…..assumming that Sheets goes lasts a full season at a Smoltz contract. Move one of them for a couple of good prospects. Mind you, I’m just throwing out some thoughts. Even signing both pitchers would bring NYY in under last year’s payroll.

  296. gayle January 15th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    You know when he does something like this I almost want to embrace him. Almost being the key word. I guess he still has a few surprises in him.

    http://38pitches.weei.com/gene.....ame-to-me/

  297. Nick in SF January 15th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Imagine if we did sign Sheets, how P.O.’d would the Brewers be? They only get a 2nd round pick for CC because we signed Tex, what would they get if we sign Sheets? A 4th? A 3rd at best? They get a 1st if he goes to any other team, right?

    But they’ll still have Cameron. ;)

  298. Tarheelyank January 15th, 2009 at 11:32 pm

    Gayle

    That was nice.

    He also a pretty good take on the Yankee free agent signings.

  299. Dr. Cox January 15th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    They also still have Braun. I would love to have that kid.

  300. Miggs January 15th, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    Its sad when the comment section gets ruined by a disgusting number of posts by a single person. Especially when most of the posts say the exact same thing. And the posts aren’t exactly one-liners either.

  301. Buddy Biancalana January 16th, 2009 at 12:04 am

    Miggs-

    We refer to him as Dr.dave

  302. Aaron(the better Aaron)(KEEP NADY AND SWISH) January 16th, 2009 at 12:23 am

    Brandon, Eli is not in trouble.. haha. he’s about to get a 110million dollar contract, haha.. They signed Woodson because David Carr is a free agent

  303. rifalcon42 January 16th, 2009 at 12:33 am

    “i would take willis for kennedy and humberto sanchez”

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