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Pinch hitting: Scott Proctor’s Arm

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 18, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

January is traditionally a slow month for baseball news. So for the second year in a row, we will showcase other blogs with a series of pinch hitters.

Next up is Andrew from Scott Proctor’s Arm.

Andrew splits his time between New City, N.Y., and Quinnipiac University in Hamden, Conn., where he is a junior print journalism student. He has been blogging since May 2007 (when Mr. Proctor was still a Yankee) and has loved every minute of it.

Here’s his post:

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Last season was tough for all Yankees fans to handle. Under a new manager and in the final year of the old Yankee Stadium, the Yankees missed the playoffs. This marked the eighth straight season in which the team failed to meet expectations. Once again, they proved that having the highest payroll doesn’t mean much in October.

But for me, this season was even stranger. Being a 20-year-old, my earliest baseball memory was the 1996 World Series. I was 8 at the time, and didn’t fully grasp what exactly happened. Not until I saw signs reading “World Champions” did I finally understand how big this moment was. After that, Yankees would continue to reach the playoffs year after year. One could say that winning was my birthright.

The words “winning” and “Yankees” were synonymous for an impressionable young fan like me. I began to think this success was normal. Another year would pass and another championship would be celebrated. After five years of following baseball, the Yankees had won four World Series titles and no one seemed to get in their way. Life as a baseball fan couldn’t be better.

But the loss in the 2001 World Series immediately brought me back down to reality. While I was upset, I realized the world didn’t end and life would, eventually, go on.

And life continued to go on for the next six years, though 2004 was the hardest. Even the oldest Yankees fans had to be shaken by what transpired during those four games in mid-October. Sometimes I deny it even happened.

I have almost grown numb to these playoff “failures” over the last few years. The older, poorly-constructed pitching staffs were no match in a short series. When the Yankees tried to go younger last season, injuries and ineffectiveness derailed another highly-paid campaign. It happens, but around the Bronx over the last 15 years, we’re just not used to it, especially fans of my generation.

Seeing the Yankees out of the playoffs for the first time as a fan was definitely a weird experience for me, but a lack of a championship is something I’ve been able to handle as I’ve matured as a person and as a baseball fan. I’ve begun to realize that winning is a privilege and not a birthright.

I wish the same could be said about some Red Sox fans I’ve encountered at school. You see, Quinnipiac University is located right between Boston and New York, the epicenter of the rivalry. After the Red Sox won the 2007 World Series, one of my (former) roommates exclaimed, “It’s been three long years!” It’s amazing what a stretch of winning can do to a fan base. Needless to say, watching the Rays quiet this “dynasty” up at school was rather fulfilling.

The 2008 season was humbling for Yankees fans. It made me realize just how difficult and special it is to win just one World Series, let alone four in five years. Those teams of the late 90s were special indeed – I just wish I was a little bit older to fully appreciate them. We should all be grateful to have witnessed their performances on the field.

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Thanks, Andrew. I hope you don’t run into any Cubs fans at school. Coming tomorrow: Brian from In Mo We Trust.

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509 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Scott Proctor’s Arm”

  1. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 18th, 2009 at 1:06 am

    Totally know where you’re coming from-I’m a similar age as well.

    It explains why much of our generation, the blogging generation, is so harsh-when it comes to baseball, we only know how to win.

    This losing thing is unfamiliar…

  2. Ed January 18th, 2009 at 1:11 am

    I gotta say that I completely agree with the feeling of this post. I’m 21, and I always assumed the Yankees would win the World Series. I remember not even watching the World Series when I was younger and just asking my father, a huge Yankees fan, oh did the Yankees win the World Series again. I really didn’t watch baseball daily until 2005. Since then I have watched nearly every Yankee game. I completely missed the dynasty because when I grew up it was just a given that the Yankees would be in the World Series. When people talk about the dynasty they talk about it ending in 2000 with their last World Series win, but I think that if we are allowed to skip 1997 then we should skip 2002, which would extend the dynasty from 1996-2003 with 5 World Series appearances

  3. Jeff January 18th, 2009 at 1:17 am

    I know what you mean. I’m even younger, 17, so the dynasty years from 1996-2000 were basically before my time.

  4. BX 12 Fordham Rd January 18th, 2009 at 1:19 am

    This was a good post from a younger fan….living through the highs of the late 90s and the absolute low of 2004….I am a mid 40s Yankee fan and 2004 altered a lifetime of being a baseball fan….2007 just made it worse and not a fluke as I had wished….the universe will never be the same and in some ways I am glad my dad lived his entire 77 years knowing that the Red Sox sucked….I used to tell Red Sox fans that I had witnessed more Kennedy assasinations than they had witnessed Red Sox World Series titles…but now I have had to move onto accidental deaths and the Sox would have to rip off a hell of a streak to catch the accident prone Kennedys….

  5. dave January 18th, 2009 at 1:19 am

    Andrew,

    YOUR FROM NEW CITY? I am from new city also. I went to clarkstown north, lived in the condos and graduated in 2002. You actually look somewhat familiar to me. I wonder if we knew each other. Good post by the way – nice to see new city representing.

  6. Harsh January 18th, 2009 at 1:21 am

    As a 20-year in college in the Boston-area(studying aboard in Singapore this semester), this story speaks exactly to where I was. ’96 was my first memory of baseball and the Yanks and then I went through the dynasty and the years after. Great post!

  7. dave January 18th, 2009 at 1:25 am

    I couldnt agree more with your sentiments. I was only 12 in 1996 and also a bit young to understand from 96 to 2000 that winning was not the yankees right. Last year, october seemed so unfufilling. I couldnt figure out which was worse- losing in the first round of the playoffs or not even making the playoffs. Its even tougher for our generation because we grew up not knowing what its like to lose and then, have been crushed by the burden of defeat for eight long years. Hopefully, 2009 will put an end to all that.

  8. Mitchell January 18th, 2009 at 1:31 am

    I know EXACTLY what you mean. I’m currently 18 and my first memory was also the ’96 series. However, I didn’t start watching every game until about May of 1998. I’m not gonna lie, I cried my eyes out (at age 11 mind you) when they lost in 2001. I also grew up in southern CT right in the middle of the yanks/sox rivalry. Needless to say, I took a lot of heat from Red Sox fans…

  9. Seth January 18th, 2009 at 1:58 am

    Don’t think he’ll be running into any Cubs fans at QU. As a QU grad, myself (great job, Fletch), we have more issues with Red Sox fans than Cubs fans. Though I did meet 1 Cubs fan there. He’s a swell guy, though.

  10. iYankees January 18th, 2009 at 2:05 am

    As always, good work Andrew.

  11. Jason January 18th, 2009 at 2:11 am

    Great Post, and while I can’t say 96 was my first memory, it goes a little further back. I became a yankees fan at five in 1977. When my grandfather (who was a Redsox fan) told me stories about baseball. He was a fan of history too, so his stories didn’t only include Sox players, but all the greats, Mantle, Mays, Williams, and of course, Gherig, Joe D. and The Babe. I can’t recall what it was exactly that turned me into a Yankees fan, it was probably a combination of things. The biggest one as a kid was when he told me my birthday was the same day as Babe Ruth. That coupled with watching the dynamic Reggie Jackson on Tv pretty much did it for me. Reggie was always my favorite Yankee as a kid, and for those first couple years, I felt exactly like you guys who got their first taste of winning in the 90′s. Although, in the years from 79 until 96. I got a taste of what a world series drought was like. It wasn’t always easy, but it almost seems harder since 2004. I’m not fortunate enough to even be in the middle of the yankees and redsox country. I’m smack dab in the middle of Redsox Country(NH) and nobody around here let’s me forget it. Nor do I let them forget who I root for :) Let’s just hope none of us have to go that long again!

  12. agreed January 18th, 2009 at 2:34 am

    Amen Andrew–my biggest regret as a baseball fan is not being quite old enough (I’m 22) to appreciate just how once-in-a-lifetime-good a team like the 1998 yankees was. my only solace was that I was out of the country for the 2004 ALCS, so I have an easier time of pretending it didn’t happen

  13. Vince January 18th, 2009 at 2:52 am

    The worst part about being at Quinnipiac is that Sox fans think their team will always be good (at this age). I’m 21 but by now I’ve realized all sports and all teams are cyclical, eventually everyone is bad at some point and big market teams like the Yankees and Sox are meant to be good eventually too.

    If you have an obsession with this rivalry, going to QU will not help your blood pressure.

    Good job, Andrew, I think I saw you once during the sorority kickball tournament.

  14. iYankees January 18th, 2009 at 4:19 am

    ^Psssh. I went to school at the University of Massachusetts from 2004-2007. Now that was a crazy time for me, a rivalry obsessed Yankees fan.

  15. Ham Fighters January 18th, 2009 at 7:37 am

    good post, nice to hear the younger generation represent! i really started as a baseball fan as the yankees depression now referred to the horace clark era began. the 1967 (fred lynn) series really made this (then) 7 year old sit up and take notice and in 68 i was plugged in. the yankees sucked, but the classic 68 WS (lolich/gibson) was increadible and i’v been a baseball addict ever since.

    it took a while for the yankees to assert themselves, first we needed an owner who cared about winning (thanks george!) then we needed some players (catfish, thurman, lou) and finally we needed a straw to stir the drink and the rest was yankees history.

    im glad for all you guys that you didnt have to sit through tom tresh and joe pepitone and company or maybe you wouldnt all be yankees fans at this point, lets hope nobody has to see that type of era in yankees history again.

  16. Noreaster January 18th, 2009 at 8:01 am

    Nice post. Like Ham Fighters I became a Yankee fan in the late 60′s when there was no hope. 76-81 was a nice run and then nothing until the 94 strike season that ruined our first good season in 13 years. That was a long and painful streak. I remember how happy I was when we won the wildcard in 95. Cone was a horse for that team. Hard to believe he fell off the HOF ballot without even 5% of the vote.

  17. Just another handle. January 18th, 2009 at 8:07 am

    Ham Fighters

    I remember those days too. Alas, it was what it was. I felt it made one appreciate the 90′s even more. Thankfully, change happens.

    I also learned over the years that change happens, especially when we least expect it. Unfortunately, a lot of folks are finding that out for the first time now in this economy.

    It will be interesting to see what attendance figures look like this year and not just for baseball but for all sports.

  18. Brian (Red Sox Fan) January 18th, 2009 at 8:32 am

    Ham ….. the 1967 World series actually involved Carl Yastrzemski (Triple Crown Year). Fred Lynn was a rookie (ROY, MVP) during the 1975 World Series.

    I believe that 1967 was the last year before a playoff system was instituted. There were 10 teams in the AL, and nine of them went home.

    Four teams were within two games of first place going into the last week of the season; as you mentioned, the Yankees weren’t one of them. When their core got old, they got old very fast, and all at once.

  19. able 21 January 18th, 2009 at 8:40 am

    I have to admit being somewhat surprised at how “young” many of the posters here are. My memories, like Hamfighters and others, go back to the 60′s when dominance ended and lasted until the mid to late 70′s, and then the long cold winter began after 1981 until the mid 90′s.

    Yes, we all grew to expect winning it all starting in 96 and that run is one that will never be matched, not even that bunch of make believers to the north.

    Good post Andrew, but the lesson that one inevitably learns in life is nothing lasts forever. But it is fun when it lasts more than not.

  20. Ham Fighters January 18th, 2009 at 8:54 am

    im sorry i meant to say yaz but hadnt had my coffee. what i remember most was bob gibson. he was just unbelievable in 67-68 and both WS.

  21. Ham Fighters January 18th, 2009 at 9:00 am

    playoff system started in 69, the mets played the braves in the first nl championship series. the a.l. was orioles-twins.

  22. Brad Pitts better-looking brother January 18th, 2009 at 9:05 am

    1967? ; think Rico Petricelli, Joe Foy, Reggie Smith, Jim Lonborg, George Scott, Yaz, Mike Andrews.

    Believe it or not the first game I ever saw was game 7 of the 1964 series when the Cards beat the Yanks. I was six. The Yanks spiraled into the Hoss Clarke era immediately after. Not until 1976 did they even get close to another pennant. But there was no bigger fan or anyone who read so much about Yankees history than me. It makes it all so much the better when it comes together. No more so than the 1996-2001 teams.
    So many kids nowadays probably think the same with life in general as they do with the idea that the Yankees will always win and that losses and hard times don’t or shouldn’t exist. It’s probably good to experience the agony before the ecstasy if you want to appreciate what it is.
    I know, I know, it’s like my dad and grandfather telling me about the great depression and that if I ever thought about how poor we were to consider what it was like then for them.

  23. MaineYankee January 18th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    I like Ham Fighters and others started following the Yankees in the mid sixties. My father and grandfather were big RS fans but I can’t remember why I chose the Yankees. Being in Me. you take alot of abuse as a Yankee fan. 78 was a very special year for me’ especialy watching the playoff game with RS fans. 04 was very painfull for obvious reasons. Good post Andrew.

  24. Steve January 18th, 2009 at 9:52 am

    I do not understand why so many fans believe this team needs to make more changes. Picking up Swisher, Texieria, CC and AJ are major additions and are quite capable of replacing Moose, Abreu,, Giambi, Betemit, Pavano, Ponson, Rasner, and probably Pettite.

    Without these guys we won 89 games last year. Stop and think about that. Without these new players we won 89 games and also had to adjust to major injuries to Wang, Matsui, and Posada. On top of that we had to deal with DL time for Arod, Damon, Jeter, Joba, Hughes and Kennedy. Cano and Melky had disappointing seasons – as did Hughes and Kennedy. Jeter scuffled through a major part of the season with a hand injury and Arod did not put up Arod like stats. Pettite was a disappointment in the 2nd half of the season.

    The only positive surprises to our team last season was Moose who won 20 games when most people thought he would be out of the rotation by May; and our bullpen – which was the most consistent part of our team last season.

    I know there are questions about who our #4 starter is, whether we Melky/Gardner can handle CF, and whether Posada and MAtsui will be able to return from injuries. Every team has those type of question marks. I for one believe that having Swisher and Nady on this team gives us depth that we have not had in the past. Matsui will be the primary DH- which takes the wear and tear off of his knees. He should be fine. If not then we can put Damon in as our primary DH and Swisher and NAdy become the regular corner outfielders.

    Posada is a work out freak so I am sure that his rehab will allow him to be our primary catcher. Perhaps he won’t be able to catch 120 games -maybe he will need a little half days off as a DH (guess what – Matsui will also need a blow here and there). If Posada can handle 110 games as our regular catcher, then I am fine with Molina filling in for the other 52 games.

    Our rotation of CC- Wang-AJ is solid at the front end. I do not believe we need Garland or Sheets as our #4 if we cannot sign Pettite. I would prefer if we had Pettite signed but if he doesn’t come back I do not believe starting the season with options like Hughes, Aceves, or Kennedy in the #4 slot is a weakness. All three of these guys can fill this slot. JOba is only the #5 due to his innings limit. With a defined role as a starter, I think this guy can be a dominant starter. Who has a better #5 starter than JOba? Answer- no one. If we do get Pettite back then we have ample arms in the wings ready to step up during the season to give our rotation a rest or fill in for injury.

    The CF situation is also OK. I think Gardner is the better option in choosing between Melky or Gardner. He brings speed to the line up and putting him in the #9 hole will really set up big innings for us with the front end of our line up following him. He was a better hitter on his 2nd stint with this team. We do not need him to hit .300, have 20 + homers and 100 RBI’s. I think he will be just fine if he hits .260 has an above average OBP and 30 + steals. I would not trade for Cameron and do not see him as an upgrade if we have to trade Nady or Swisher in return. Unless we can trade for a solid CF who is more than a one year stop gap I do not see why we would see a need to look beyond our current players.

    Swisher in my view is the yguy who plays all over the place. He plays both corner slots and is the back up first baseman. That allows Damon to get some DH duty. Damon can swing over and play a little CF. Tex will probably get a little DH duty as well. I do not believe it wil be hard to rotate players like Swisher, NAdy, Damon, CF, Matsui into a regular line up. All of these guys willl be able to get their at bats and in the process give us a strong bat off the bench when we need a pinch hitter.

    The only remaining spots are our bench and pen. Molina, Berrora or Ransom and one other bat on the bench will be fine. As for our pen, we are blessed with a number of arms in the minors who appear ready to crack the ML roster. I love Coke and would leave him in hte pen. That role suits him just fine. We do need a dominant Mo again but with a stronger rotation that can go deeper into games and deeper stronger bridge to the closer slot will take some pressure off of Mo and thus we will not have to over use him. I am anxious to see whether Melancon can make a contribution this season.

    In summary, we are a better team – a team that can and should be able to win 95 + wins (assuming we do not have more than the normal rash of injuries during the course of a season). I expect Cano to be a better hitter — more like the .300 + hitter than the .270 hitter. Arod will have better hitters around him so he should see better pitches to hit. Tex will be a vast upgrade over Giambi and Abreu. He will produce Giambi power with Abreu type productivity and he is a switch hitter too boot. Swisher will rebound and be a good fit for this team. Nady is a solid hitter and will give us some solid right handed pop. I expect Damn and Jeter to match their normal career stats. I think Matsui will be a solid hitter. There is no reason to believe that he won’t be able to bat .290-.300 and put up 20 + homers and 100 RBI’s. Posada may not hit like he did two years ago but I do thnk he is still a solid hitter who will give up clutch hitting . He is still among the top catchers in the game.

    In the tought AL east, we match up well with the Red Sox and Rays. The Rays will not be the surprise that they were last season. They are a good team but I would anticipate that they will lose more games than they did last season. I tend to doubt that their pitching will match last season’s production.

    The REd Sox have as many questions as those being said about the Yanks. Lowell and Ortiz are coming back from injury and are getting older. They need to replace Manny stats over a full 162 game season. The Sox do not have their catching slot sorted out and have questions ast SS. Lowrie may be a better fit at 3B or 2B than as the full time regular SS. Bay, Youkilus, and Pedroia are three tough outs. Add these to Ellsbury and Drew and they have a core nucleus of solid players. However, we match up very well with their core nucleus.

    Their rotation is very good but I do not think that there is much difference between them and us. I like CC over Becket. Wang matches up well with Lester, and AJ of last season is better than Dice-K. They have questions in their #4 and #5 slots as well (Masterson, Buccholz, and Wakefield). Their pen is not as deep as our pen. Smoltz does not help this team until June at the earliest and even then there is a question of his health and ability to pitch in the hitting rich AL east and AL.

    I am quite comfortable starting this season with the team we have. During the course of the season we can make adjustments either through the farm system or mid-season trades if we need to fill a hole. For now, I think the tinkering we are speculating about do not make this a better team.

  25. Thomo January 18th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    Not to be overly philosophical folks – but as an “old-timer” (i.e. someone who is old enough to to have seen both Mantle and Ebbets Field) – all things present as a cycle – the success or failure of your favorite team and more importantly life in general. The periodicity and the amplitude (plus and minus) of the cycle can be altered through a combination of serendipity and hard work.

    Nice post Andrew – keep at it.

  26. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 18th, 2009 at 9:55 am

    Holy cow, Steve.
    Are you in any way related to Dave?

  27. Pel January 18th, 2009 at 10:03 am

    “Tell’em Steve Dave!”

  28. Andrew Vazzano -- Resident Mets Fan January 18th, 2009 at 10:05 am

    I’ve never seen so many positive reviews on a post.

    Well done, Mr. Fletcher. I’m proud to say I sleep in the same room as you do.

  29. JoeT 28 in 10 KEEP PHIL FRANCHISE AND CANO!! January 18th, 2009 at 10:05 am

    Nice post.

    Down here in Florida it’s worse with the “Red Sox fans” – at least where you are they may actually be Sox fans, people down here think it’s “cool” to root for them but they don’t have a clue what’s going on with the team.

  30. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Brad Pitt’s better-looking brother
    January 18th, 2009 at 9:55 am
    Holy cow, Steve.
    Are you in any way related to Dave?

    ————————————————————

    He’d have to be a distant relative. The post is just as long, but, this guy uses paragraphs.

  31. Sean Serritella January 18th, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Nice post. I’m the exact opposite of Andrew. I grew up in the 80′s and was starving for a world series and I had to wait until 1996. I was only 6 and 7 when the Yankees won in 77 and 78. I always wanted Don Mattingly to win a WS and it hurt when I didn’t see him get to win.

  32. Ralow January 18th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    These pinch hitting posts are getting old…I never read them anyway but I’m just ready for some real baseball news. 5 weeks left…

  33. MaineYankee January 18th, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Steve Even though that was a long post I thought in was well thought out and well written. It is nice to see someone think rationally and with some common sense.

  34. Andrew Fletcher January 18th, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Thanks for the kind words, guys.

    Vince, yes I was at that kickball thing.

    Seth, Silverman is gone, so that reduces the Cubs fan quota to zero.

    Andrew Vazzano, it is a pleasure to sleep above you.

  35. MaineYankee January 18th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    One reason I like what Steve had to say is because to many on here are talking what ifs on the neg. side and he is showing what ifs on the pos. For those who can remember who would have thought Brian Doyle and Bucky Dent would have played a big role in the World Series.

  36. hobbie January 18th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    Very good post Steve.

    I have been a fan since Johnny Blanchard made the last out in the 1964 World Series.

    I have seen some championships and suffered through some lousy seasons.

    I still get the cold sweats when I hear Stump Merill’s name

    I miss Bobby Murcer, I can’t believe he is gone.

    I trust that you are committed fans, not pursuing the flavor of the month until something new comes along.

  37. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 18th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Steve – excellent post. My shorthand way of saying the same thing is to always say I know the Yankees will be fine. But it is good to see someone enumerate it, if only because it may help any nay sayers to rest a little easier.

    Good going!

  38. hobbie January 18th, 2009 at 10:46 am

    aside to the two Andrews

    Ordinarily I might tease and say get a room, but you already have a room.

    I also have some experience living with a Mets fan, It is acceptable provided the children are raised Yankees.

  39. Andrea January 18th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    Scott Proctor’s Arm is one of the first Yankee blogs I ever read. I do believe that it’s what led me to this blog.

    Anyway. Great post, Andrew.

  40. 86w183 January 18th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    Another chime from the older generation. I wen to my first Yankees game in 1964 and remember crying (at age 6) when they lost the World Series only to be comforted by my Dad and Unles with the promise the Yankees are in the series almost every year…

    Yeah, right.

    The 1965-1975 drought was bad. The 1982-96 was worse. But down times teach you things. The teach you humility. They teach you about the nature of competition. Most importantly, they teach you to appreciate the good times.

    The current “drought” is nothing like those other ones. Yeah, eight years without winning it all is disappointing and no playoffs last year was even worse. So what? You get to work and you try to get better.

    I’m hoping missing out on post-season last year will get the entire organization to appreciate that any year when you make the playoffs is a good year. The “all or nothing” mentality that pervades the Yankees kingdom needs to go away. If all you care about is the destination, you’ll never enjoy the ride.

    In 2009 I’m determined to “enjoy the ride” and treat each game as its own event and stop lookng at every inning as a precursor to the post-season. Sounds like a New Year’s Resolution, doesn’t it?

  41. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 18th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    86w: As always, the ultimate thing that matters is not whether or not the Yankees win or lose, but that they play.

  42. melissa(I love Cano!) January 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Well I’m 17 about to be 18 but I started watching baseball that 1996 season. I asked my father why were people always screaming at the tv from 7 to 10 o’clock almost everyday. He explained to be the game of baseball and how everything worked. It seemed cool to me so I asked him if I can say up late one day to see a game. My first game was a Yankee-Boston game. The yankees won that game and ever since that day I have been a yankee fan.

    I remember all the World Series between 1996-1999 but did not understand the importance of them until the 2000 World Series. I went to the 1996 World Series Game 1 and I remember that game perfectly. I went to the 1998 and 2000 World Series parade and remember that perfectly. Regular season games start to fade together as I get older but the playoff games all stand out in someway or another.

    I actually can say I remember those World Series. And I know that I am spoiled with all those World Series. Hopefully the Yankees can spoil me once more!

  43. jennifer January 18th, 2009 at 11:34 am

    haha 3 long years, never mind the 86 without a championship.

  44. JoeT 28 in 10 KEEP PHIL FRANCHISE AND CANO!! January 18th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    UGH KEEP CANO!!!! GOOD WORK ON THIS ONE CASHMAN!!

    From MLBTradeRumors:

    According to Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post Dispatch, the Cardinals called the Yankees to inquire about second baseman Robinson Cano. Goold says the Yankees asking price was an immediate deal breaker: Adam Wainwright. “The conversation did not last long,” writes Goold.

    Yankees GM Brian Cashman has expressed an unwillingness to part with Cano.

  45. ANSKY January 18th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Three things:

    1: Nice post. Sometimes I don’t realize its been over 8 years.
    2: Sox fans? Let’s just say they’re ‘amusing’ …
    3: Go Steelers!

  46. bru January 18th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    if cashman was blown away he would deal cano but i do not see it happening.

    cashman if smart is at least listening.

  47. PAT M January 18th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    Man it feels comforting to know that there are other’s who grew up with the Yanks prior to the CBS days….For awhile I thought there was only a few with GB7 as the Senior figure head…Randy I, Drive and myself in such awe of GB7′s fireside chats of what it was like in the old days…..Just kidding ole buddy….Great stuff today…..

  48. Joey January 18th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    Cashman is playing the Cano thing just right.

    Cano is a stud and will only improve. If you can land a young stud starter like Wainwright or Billingsley you have to pull the trigger, especially with Orlando Hudson still sitting out there. Otherwise, keep Cano.

  49. PAT M January 18th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    Robby Cano can be a franchise type player…Keep him, there’s a wealth of young pitchers on the horizen….

  50. randy l January 18th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    pat m-

    gb7 just thinks he’s older because senility is starting to set in.

    actually i think the old ranger has us all beat.

    one sure way to tell if you’re old is if you actually remember when ronald reagan took over for the old ranger.

  51. bru January 18th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    here we go again with the cano thing.

    cano needs to have a good year or we will look foolish for not trading him.

    he just turned 26 yrs old & is not a kid anymore.

  52. Rob NY January 18th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Btu cano has the worst trade value he has ever had right now, why would you deal him under those circumstances? Not dealing him is the safe bet IMO because it gives him time to rebound.

    Go cardinals.

  53. Betsy January 18th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Steve, very well thought out post. I disagree, however, on a couple of points. I don’t think the CF situation is ok because I don’t think Gardner can come close to hitting .260. No, you don’t need an all-star at every position, but IMO, Brett is at best a (very valuable) 4th OF/pinch runner type. Austin Jackson is at most 2 years away, so a stop-gap in CF is exactly what the Yankees do need.

    I don’t like the bench (Berroa, Ransom, Molina)……that’s pretty bad (to put it kindly). Molina is a great backup catcher…the other two? I’ve heard Berroa has fallen off a cliff since is ROY a few years ago and seriously – Cody Ransom?

    I am about as big a Phil Hughes fan as you will find, but he needs at least 1/2 year of seasoning in AAA before he’s ready to slot into the rotation (and it might be best for him to stay down there a whole year – although he surely will get a chance to start with the Yankees periodically, due to injuries,etc…). The Yankees need a veteran innings eater in the 4th slot (Kennedy has yet to prove anything to me other than that he has a pretty bad attitude – the kid got tattooed last year in the big leagues. He’s absolutely not ready for the big time. Aceves? I don’t have the faith in him that some do. He had a few good starts – and that’s all. I don’t think he’s that good and we will see that when teams start to adjust. However, he could be a very useful long-man).

  54. PAT M January 18th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Death Valley Days…..RandyI, Glad your here today..Much banter about Ben Sheets as a last resort signing if Pettite actually fails to come back ( I think he will for 12-13 million )….Sheets offers tremendous upside at a very high risk…..What’s your take ????

  55. Betsy January 18th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    People have given up on Cano after one really bad year – I think that’s unfortunate because he’s a terrific hitter and I have confidence that he is going to bounce back with an outstanding year.

  56. BroNeill January 18th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    Good post. I was a kid at the end of the Yankees run in the late 70′s, early 80′s. I remember the Yanks getting knocked out of the 81 series, and then going on a run of futility through the 80′s into the really bad years of 90-91, when they were the doormats of the American league. It was great to see the team turn around under Buck, only to have the strike cut the 94 season short with us sitting in first place, poised to win the AL East. 1995 was a heartbreaker, sometimes I feel worse than 2004, in some ways. The team hadn’t won in so long, and it was a good group who everyone liked, especially every young Yankee fans idol Don Mattingly. See, for people like me, who were born after Mantle retired, or were too young to see Reggie and Thurman play, or even understand baseball, Donnie was our Mantle, our Reggie, our Thurman. And then some. To see us go up two games on Seattle, and watch Donnie hit the way he did, it was a killer to watch Seattle come back, and push Donnie into retirement. We came back in 96, and no one thought we had a chance, and it was incredible. After that, we came back down to Earth in 97, but quickly bounced back as a powerhouse team, that made winning automatic. It takes perspective to realize what those teams did. From 1998-2001, the Yankees owned baseball. Owned it. Other teams have come along over the past seven years, and won it all, and have come back, and surprised people, or let them down. But the Yankees of the late 90′s were more than a team, more than a dynasty, they are immortal in my view, and will never be forgotten.

  57. PAT M January 18th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    Has anyone here actually watched Austin Jackson play ball ???? I’ve only seen him on tape….From what I’ve seen, I wonder if maybe we’re expecting too much from him…..

  58. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 18th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    So there are more than I thought here with an historic and realistic Yankee upbringing. Maybe most my Steve Whitaker or Hector Lopez references won’t fall on deaf ears then. I’d write a little about some stories from those days, but now I gotta go take my nap on the davenport after getting a prune juice from the icebox.

  59. randy l January 18th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    “cano needs to have a good year or we will look foolish for not trading him.
    he just turned 26 yrs old & is not a kid anymore.”

    i’m with pat m that the yankees need to keep cano.

    when i compare cano to pedroia , i see a player in cano who, while only being 10 months older, has in a season hit more home runs, had more rbis, hit for a higher average, a higher ops, and in his best fielding season was a better fielder.

    i think cano has way more up side than pedroia.i don’t see pedroia being a better hitter in a few years than he is now , and i don’t see him being an all star in his 30′s. small players with little speed have a way of disappearing as they get out of their twenties.

    cano on the other hand has the natural size and the talent that could translate well into his 30′s. cano has to put in the work though. that’s the one variable that is of concern. the game came so easy to him, you wonder if he’ll reach his potential.

    i think with arod, jeter, and teixeira around him who are all hard workers that cano will pick up their work ethic or at least be influenced for the better by having them around him.

    i’m looking for good things from cano in 2009.

  60. i am the walrus January 18th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Being a Yankee fan since Mickey Mantle played, I’ve seen plenty of poor times in Da Bronx. I’ve also seen some incredible years.

    Steinbrenner deserves a lot of credit from Yankee Fans for working hard to put a great team on the field. It hasn’t always worked, it has in fact sometimes hurt them. That kind of commitment from ownership is a rare thing. Far too many teams would rather pocket profits and just go for it once in a while. The Yankees are a microcosm of Capitalism. Use of big dollars to put the best product out there. It doesn’t always work, but it has built an empire.

    The fan base will have its ups and downs, but if the Yankees keep investing in the team there will be more high times than low. Other teams could emulate this, but instead they would prefer to whine about it.

    A smart organization uses its strength to get stronger. While others don’t have the backing that the Yankees do, it doesn’t mean they can’t invest in their team. The Rays did last year and look how that paid off. While they will not remain a top team, they could compete. They can compete for a while because of being bottom feeders and getting top talent in the draft, but its the investment in other veteran players that gave them success this past year.

    The Red Sox also showed that investing in their team could get them the 2004 WS and 2007. Relying on your farm only gets you so far.

  61. bru January 18th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    Rob NY

    i don’t know but if the return is nice i trade him in a second.

    we don’t know what we can get back,nobody does but you are right if we can’t get anything good we should keep him because the talent & potential are there.

    all i am saying is he is getting older,born in 1982,9 months away from 27 yrs old.

    at one time cano could of landed us kemp,probably straight up,not anymore.

    i hope cano has a great year but if i can get a good young pitcher,cf i trade him.he wasn’t great defensively,stole only 2 bases & hit 14 hr,72 rbi & scored 70 runs,.271 ba,.305 obp,.715 ops.terrible numbers.

    we can sit here all day & say he will get better but we do not know for sure,we only can look at the numbers & his 2008 numbers are easily replaceable.

    if he returns back to his 06 & 07 numbers it would be nice.

    every player is tradeable for the right return & cashman is smart enough to realize this.rumor has it he asked for wainwright & was shot down.

    wainwright was a 1st round pick,will be 28 yrs old in august,11-3,3.20 era,1.18 whip,122 hits in 132 innings.getting him would fix our pitching problem & give us a very deep rotation.

    we can go with what we have in hughes,acevez,etc but we need another pitcher & should use the kids for debth & to rest joba.

    we don’t know what hughes & all the others will give us.if they all don’t pan out we could be in big trouble,add & injury or 2 it will be over.

    if joba could of given us 200 innings then we might be ok with 4 solid starters but that is not the case & his in jury in 08 is a concern to me so another pitcher is needed.

    to have a new stadium,a 200 million dollar payroll & 750 million in tax breaks over 40 years from what i have heard it would be a shame to not get one more solid pitcher to give us a ton of debth.

    it is nice to have nady & swisher but not at the expense of a good,deep pitching staff.

  62. randy l January 18th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    pat m-

    i’m hoping that the yankees and pettitte come to an agreement. sj44 has made a strong case that because no team has offered sheets much there must be something bad in his medicals. i’m of that belief. whether he’d take a short deal is up in the air. he could be very good and would be worth it for the right deal, but it probably won’t happen. who knows in this market though.

    so have you been hitting your drives long and meeting nice people from other fairways? that’s perfectly ok. you can always learn to straighten out your new found length later.

  63. S.o.S. January 18th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    “Has anyone here actually watched Austin Jackson play ball ???? I’ve only seen him on tape….From what I’ve seen, I wonder if maybe we’re expecting too much from him…..”

    Pat,
    I think fans and teams always seem to over hype their young players. It went from Ledee to Ruben Rivera to Tabata being the next Manny to Ajax being are cant miss center fielder even though Melky has had a better batting average in AAA before being called up them Ajax had in AA. Im not saying he wont be good. But i think we should stop giving a major league possition in the majors and not trading for a big leaguer before they prove they can do it on a consistant basis in the minors.

  64. bru January 18th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    randy l
    January 18th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
    “cano needs to have a good year or we will look foolish for not trading him.
    he just turned 26 yrs old & is not a kid anymore.”

    i’m with pat m that the yankees need to keep cano.

    when i compare cano to pedroia , i see a player in cano who, while only being 10 months older, has in a season hit more home runs, had more rbis, hit for a higher average, a higher ops, and in his best fielding season was a better fielder.

    i think cano has way more up side than pedroia.i don’t see pedroia being a better hitter in a few years than he is now , and i don’t see him being an all star in his 30’s. small players with little speed have a way of disappearing as they get out of their twenties.

    cano on the other hand has the natural size and the talent that could translate well into his 30’s. cano has to put in the work though. that’s the one variable that is of concern. the game came so easy to him, you wonder if he’ll reach his potential.

    i think with arod, jeter, and teixeira around him who are all hard workers that cano will pick up their work ethic or at least be influenced for the better by having them around him.

    i’m looking for good things from cano in 2009.

    ————————————————————

    i hope you are right because a .305 obp is terrible & it needs to get better & i believe it will.

    i think cano because of his contract was under pressure.it is not like he is 30 or 32 yrs old.

    i am more concerned with getting another starter.we have cc,burnett,wang & joba for 150 innings.

    we need another pitcher & should use hughes,kennedy,acevez,etc… for debth,spot starts,injuries.

    a rotation of
    cc
    burnett
    wang
    pettitte
    joba with hughes,kennedy,acevez,coke,giese,etc as debth with more in the minors & a very good,deep bullpen is exactly what this team needs & has been lacking in recent years & we are only one starting pitcher away from achieving this.

  65. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    randy l
    January 18th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
    pat m-

    gb7 just thinks he’s older because senility is starting to set in.

    actually i think the old ranger has us all beat.

    one sure way to tell if you’re old is if you actually remember when ronald reagan took over for the old ranger.

    ————————————————————

    You’d better be careful, Randy. I’ll start posting pictures of you and Livonia Hernandez on your night on the town followed by a candlelight pillow fight.

  66. bdog375 January 18th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Man I cannot wait for the AFC championship game tonight! It is going to be a bloodbath. These two teams really and truely hate each other (unlike the Yanks/Sox where it is more the fans that hate each other), and they are both so talented on defense. This is the Super Bowl for me!

    (Excuse myself but I am Jets fan and watching good football is quite a rarity).

  67. Betsy January 18th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Walrus, the Rays are going to continue to be a top team. However, as they will not be getting top draft picks anymore, they are going to have to do as the Sox and Yanks have been forced to do and really rely on their scouting to pick quality players at the end of the first round and on into higher rounds. They won’t be getting the obvious Evan Longoria selections anymore.

    I don’t recall the exact year that I became a Yankee fan or even a baseball fan. All I know is that everytime I hear the song “We Are Family”, it reminds me of the Pittsburgh Pirates. I must have been watching baseball then – but I don’t remember the 1978 Yankees or even the 1981 Yankees.

    I remember some of my favorite players from the early to mid 80′s: Ken Griffey, Sr. (LOVED him – he made one of the greatest catches I’ve ever seen, climbing the left field wall and snaring a HR bal), Mike Easler (the original Hit Man), Oscar Gamble, etc….. I adored Don Mattingly (he was every Yankee fans saving grace during those tragically bad years), but Dave Winfield was a very close second. I loved watching him just reach up to take a HR ball away, barely having to leap to do so was; I loved watching him throwing runners out with that rifle arm and I loved watching him run the bases with those huge strides.

    I remember pencil-think Ron Davis and Rudy Mays……

    1995 is still very, very painful to me, despite knowing what happens afterwards. It’s still crushing to watch Junior barrelling home and scoring the series ending run. At least Mattingly showed what he was made of in that series – too bad he didn’t have more opportunities to do so.

  68. Ham Fighters January 18th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    i saw ajax play 8 games (i think) for trenton last season. im no scout so im not gonna act like one. he’s definitly not a finished product, he’s very young and sometimes he looked like it, and he struck out alot, he needs to work on pitch selection, but he also had some pop and came up with quite a few big hits. he’s not eye-poping (when i saw bernie go get em in cf in colonie, i knew he’d be in an mlb outfield) but he was solid in the OF and showed some decent range.

    hes pretty impressive for how young he is. i dont know about ratings and projections, but i could see him holding his own in scranton this year and maybe getting a look in the bronx sometime this year. but anybody who’s got him penciled to start in the OF in 2010 is likely jumping the gun

  69. PAT M January 18th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    SOS, Thank’s for the heads up….At least he hasn’t been tagged with the phenom label….Hughes was labeled as such ( and rightfully so )but to translate that to the bigs is just that big….Jackson on tapes at times looks good, but I see a player that is far from playing at the MLB level….Randy I,, I played the back nine yesterday morning and scrambled around to a 44….Your lesson has added at least 10 yards to my irons…As for the tee box, I’m still turning over too soon I think…But my left knee is killing me, so my balance and weight transfer is crap…I get it cleaned out Tuesday…..However when I hit’em on the screws, I just stand ther and admire the 280 yards that my Top flight carries…..The Super Bowl Scramble is in 2 weeks, I hope to play ….

  70. bru January 18th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    only time will tell if jackson will be good.he was & is a very raw talent.

    keeping all our prospects are bad & trading all of them is also bad.

    will hughes,kennedy,ajax,etc be good??? only time will tell.look how pettitte,jeter,mo,posada,bernie turned out.

    it takes a mix of free agents & prospects to make it work.i think if you can have at least 5 homegrown players minimum you are doing ok.

    the yankees have mo,posada,jeter,cano,wang,joba as guaranteed starters for the most part.

    it would be nice to see at least a few more pitchers make it along with ajax,montero as a catcher & maybe one infielder.

    if melancon,brackman,betances & a few more pitchers make it we are in great shape going forward as far as pitching.

    we have a ton of pitchers that could give us a great,deep pitching staff in the future.

  71. Ham Fighters January 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    for those of u who had some sellers remorse, i can also say that i saw tabata loaf and sulk his way through several of those games and although he’s young and can straighten it out, i think getting rid of him helped ajax a bit too.

  72. bru January 18th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    let’s go steelers.

  73. bru January 18th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    steelers fan since the late 70′s,can’t wait for tonights game.

  74. Joe from Long Island January 18th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Just got home a little bit ago, and now catching up before shoveling snow so I can watch some football….

    I think that Tampa, while no longer patsies, are not going to be as good this year. It’s hard to repeat, and that’s what they’re trying to do. Plus, it seemed like everyone in that bullpen had career seasons last year. Ditto some of the starters. Is it maturity, or will they regress back to the mean?

    I think that if the Yanks and Andy were going to get together on a contract, it would have happened by now. And I don’t think that we’re getting another FA pitcher. The ones still out there are either are looking for multiyear deals (Ollie Perez), which would potentially block Phil from coming online in 2010 (which I think is the Yankees’ plan) or aren’t any better than what they Yankees have now (Aceves, IPK, Phil, Horne, etc.). Personally, I think it’s going to be Alfredo Aceves and company vying for that spot.

    As someone who started rooting for the Yankees in 1965, and who has stuck with them through thick-and-thin, I find the discussion of the Yankees winning as a divine birthright somewhat amusing.

  75. randy l January 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    “gb7 just thinks he’s older because senility is starting to set in.”

    gb7-

    did i forget the” just kidding “or smiley face? see what happens when you get older.

    speaking of older, where do you think livan will win his ten games this year?

    it’ll be somewhere, and it’ll only cost about 1.5 million with the market the way it is. that’s only 150 thousand per win.

  76. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    PAT M
    January 18th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
    Has anyone here actually watched Austin Jackson play ball ???? I’ve only seen him on tape….From what I’ve seen, I wonder if maybe we’re expecting too much from him…..

    ————————————————————

    Pat, it appears that people are expecting Jackson to be an annual 30-30 guy and .325 average. My guess is that his 1st year he’d come in at about .265-.275 and about 12-15 homers. He has really good speed, just not Gardner type speed. He’s an outstanding base runner, though. I’d say within 3 years, though, he should settle in around .290-.310 and 18-20 homers and 25-30 steals.

    On defense, he’s he’s a solid center fielder with a strong, accurate arm….not quite a rocket arm, but, better than Gardner. He could have a few Bernie Williams type seasons with 25 or so homers. He does strike out a little too much right now, but, he’ll stay around 90-100 with 50-60 walks. I’d say that he’s kind of a Johnny Damon type hitter from the right side.

  77. PAT M January 18th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Tampa Bay will be a good team, but I do not expect a replay of 08…

  78. bru January 18th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    i see the yankees getting another pitcher,pettitte or a trade.

    i don’t see cashman taking a chance especially if joba will be limited to 150 innings & the yankees can easily put joba in the pen if injuries are a concern or blocking hughes & others are a concern.

    i agree joba should be starting but if injuries are a concern & putting him in the pen on doctors suggestions alleviates those concerns then it might be wise to put him there.

    i would rather have joba in the pen then on the bench.hopefully he does fine as a starter because he has the pitches to do so.

    i loved the game he pitched against becket in 08,1-0 i believe it was.

  79. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    randy l
    January 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
    “gb7 just thinks he’s older because senility is starting to set in.”

    gb7-

    did i forget the” just kidding “or smiley face? see what happens when you get older.

    speaking of older, where do you think livan will win his ten games this year?

    it’ll be somewhere, and it’ll only cost about 1.5 million with the market the way it is. that’s only 150 thousand per win.

    ————————————————————

    I figure that Hernandez will anchor the Richmond team.

  80. Ham Fighters January 18th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    i think the real big difference between being a yankees fan pre-1996 and post 1996, besides being in the playoffs every year, was the atmosphere at the ballpark. you youngsters never saw a time when you could take the subway to the stadium (even on opening day sometimes) and buy your tickets at the ticket kiosk, later ticket window and watch the game. if you were above halfway in the upper deck, you usually had nobody in the seats in front of you and you could hang your legs over the empty seat in front of you. tickets were basically available any day you wanted them. for the (relativly few) of us who were rabid fans over those years, it was a great!

  81. GG January 18th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Let me say this. The pinch hit thing this year has been an utter disaster.

  82. G.R. January 18th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Nice job, Andrew. I thoroughly enjoyed hearing the younger generation perspective in a positive light!

    I started watching baseball during the 1981 WS and tried to be a Dodgers fan when Ron Cey got hit in the head and came back to play in the series. I was amazed! But it didn’t stick and we couldn’t get anything but the Brewers here in Wisconsin.

    I started following the Yankees in 1985 because of a good friend who had played basball with Dave Winfield at Minnesota. Those 80s were some pretty lean years, too! 1996 is my favorite WS, but I have to say that I LOVE the regular season games and hate when it has to all be judged by whether or not we win it all. I know that’s the goal, and it should be, but it isn’t all there is!

    Pitchers and catchers — bring it on!!!

  83. Ham Fighters January 18th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    im fired up for championship sunday even with the g-men out. its the best football day of the year. i cant wait for the afc war. i have to lay low for the nfc game (live in philly)

  84. G.R. January 18th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    I’m pulling for Baltimore all the way! One of there players is from our area. His hometown is 4 miles away. I think most of Wisconsin will be watching Jim Leonhard today!

  85. G.R. January 18th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    oops! “their” players

  86. Ham Fighters January 18th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    i really like both afc teams, im really not rooting for either one, i think it could be an instant classic, there’s no mystery and they really hate each other.

    as much as it pains me to say this, as an nfc fan i cant root for the cardinals to stink up the superbowl for the conference. i hate the eagles but i have alot of respect for mcnabb and reid, so i guess im rooting for them. kinda

  87. randy l January 18th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    pat m-

    once you get your knee tuned up, when driving, try moving the ball up in your stance a half ball or a whole ball. and then back a half ball and a ball. ideally the ball should be up in your stance off your left instep, but you have to play with it a bit to see where the right placement for your swing is.

    a small difference in placement and tee height can make a big difference in the ball flight.

  88. Fran January 18th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    I like the Ravens, but I hope that the Steelers win so that the Jets can name Ryan as their coach this week. Otherwise they’ll have to wait until after the Super Bowl. In the NFC, I hope that the Eagles win.

  89. G.R. January 18th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    We’re Vikings fans here and we got crunched by Philly. I guess it would look better for us if they went on to win it all.

    I really have to stick with the Ravens though. Jim Leonhard’s aunt used to babysit my kids and his dad was our high school basketball coach for a couple of years. That’s small town life, I guess!

  90. RhapsodyInBlue January 18th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Ravens-Iggles

  91. Aaron(the better Aaron)(KEEP NADY AND SWISH) January 18th, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Pie to the Orioles for Olson

  92. Ham Fighters January 18th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    pie on the o’s with jones and markakis…. if pie regains what they thought he’d be, that will be a good young OF.

  93. randy l January 18th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    “I figure that Hernandez will anchor the Richmond team.”

    are you crazy ? those minor league hitters aren’t good enough to be fooled by livan’s slow, slower, and slowest arsenal of pitches.

    they would kill him.

    no, he needs to be at the major league level where the hitters are good enough to be fooled by his tempting slop.

    but if the yankees don’t pick up a good # 4 pitcher,i’ll bet he’ll be within a few wins of the yankee’s # 5 pitcher .

    no, i’m not recommending that the yankees sign him, but if they go with a bunch of assorted youngsters in that spot they might as well. he’d have a .500 record. they won’t.

  94. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Giants loss still stings trust me it does :( January 18th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    WOW Marion for Jermaine O’Neal what did the Raptors just do to the Eastern Conference you gave D.Wade, Jermaine O’Neal and Micheal Basley as frontcourt starters. :?

  95. rifalcon42 January 18th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    steelers-eagles! an all pennsylvania superbowl! but ill be happy w any matchup other than ravens/cards!

  96. Dr. Cox January 18th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    I was 16 when the Yankees lost to the D-Bags. I remember it like it was yesterday. I couldn’t believe that I was watching the end of a dynasty unfold right before my young eyes.

    Of course at 16 you think you are old and invincible. Man, I did some stupid things after they lost that series. Wink, wink.

    However, nothing…and I mean nothing was worse than how I felt in 2004. I was a 19 year old sophomore in college at Ohio University spreading my Yankeeness all over campus. As they went up 3-0 I talked more trash than anyone. I mean they are up 3-0, wasn’t it our right to talk trash?? That was a true rude awakening for me.

    2004 was possibly the second worst thing to happen to me, emotionally. I couldn’t leave my bed for days.

  97. Nick in SF January 18th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    What randy didn’t say is that Livan has already thrown his first pitch of the 2009 season. It should arrive at home plate sometime in early April.

    Go Cardinals and Go Steelers. I have to many Yankees-hating/Orioles-loving Baltimore relatives to go for the Ravens.

  98. Doreen January 18th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    86w183

    I just read your 11:18 a.m. post. I am in total agreement with the entire second part of it (not having been a Yankees fan in 1964, I can’t relate to that part :) ).

    This was a nice post, Andrew. Thanks.

    And someone above posted that they were surprised at how many young posters there are here; I am more amazed by the diversity in the ages that post here. It’s a nice range, isn’t it? I am, however, most impressed by those of us thought too old to have mastered the “inter-webs.” :lol:

  99. Ham Fighters January 18th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    i think the nfl season is too long. teams cant maintain thier intensity over the 17 weeks and carry it into the postseason. the pats were clearly the best in the league last season, the giants this season, and they are out. the cardinals stank, i mean STANK this year, beating up on horrible teams and got hot for the playoffs. they shouldnt have even been in the playoffs but for the 8 division format.

    now they are looking at going to a 18 game season, i think it will make it more of a crapshoot.

    im sure that just like parity (some call it mediocrity) this wild card effect keeps the tv ratings up, but the champions now always seems to be whoever got hot after christmas, not the league’s best team.

  100. rifalcon42 January 18th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    “However, nothing…and I mean nothing was worse than how I felt in 2004. I was a 19 year old sophomore in college at Ohio University spreading my Yankeeness all over campus. As they went up 3-0 I talked more trash than anyone. I mean they are up 3-0, wasn’t it our right to talk trash?? That was a true rude awakening for me.”

    hey doc, i can totally relate to that! i was at my parents ( and being from ri the rest of the fam r sux fans) and towards the end of game 3 my dad came home from work. well i was sitting in his favorite chair, with one of his beers in hand and a broomstick in the other! needless to say he was pretty pissed and told me where to go! well four games later i was regretting that lmao

  101. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    I see where the slovakian Women’s Hockey team struggled against the Bulgarian Women’s Hockey team, 82-0. Shots on goal….Slovakia-137, Bulgaria-0.

  102. BBB January 18th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    “WOW Marion for Jermaine O’Neal what did the Raptors just do to the Eastern Conference you gave D.Wade, Jermaine O’Neal and Micheal Basley as frontcourt starters”

    Brandon: Nothing official on this yet, right? But the buzz is growing louder and louder. Personally I’m not totally sure about this trade for my Heat, in a way it would be like having Shaq back all over again (only w/o the whining and the Krispy Kreme addiction) because him and J. O’Neal make around the same money and both signed for next year. As much as Marion frustrates me and as overrated/overpaid as I think he is, at least he comes off the books after this year and would allow the Heat to add a playmaking veteran this summer to take some of the pressure off Wade.

    Plus, O’Neal is a walking injury! But, at the same time, the Heat REALLY need a legitimate center. Wade will not make it through the season playing at this level without one. IDK, maybe if we can send Banks or Blount along with Marion it’d be worth it. I hope Riley keeps looking though.

  103. rifalcon42 January 18th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    gb i dont really follow hockey but are you serious?!?!?! thats horrific!!!! lol

  104. Doreen January 18th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Regarding Austin Jackson – I sawa him play at Trenton a couple of times last season, and I would have to concur with Ham Fighters. He looks like he could be a nice player, but he’s definitely still in the developmental stage. I would not want to see him in Yankee Stadium in 2009, except as an invitational call-up in September.

  105. BBB January 18th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    As far as football I’m barely even acknowledging it is still being played, but rooting for Warner and the Cards. I also like Flacco and of course Rutgers guy Ray Rice (though they dont seem to give him much PT) but still cant bring myself to root for the Ravens. I hope the Beagles lose by 50 and all their bandwagon fans off themselves.

  106. Nick in SF January 18th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    GB: I think the Bulgarian ladies might have been looking ahead to their showdown with Moldova.

  107. GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    rifalcon42
    January 18th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
    gb i dont really follow hockey but are you serious?!? thats horrific!!!! lol

    ————————————————————

    Yes, and good sports that they were, they didn’t try to run up the score.

  108. Doreen January 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    I am rooting for the Ravens/Stillers today. I simply cannot bring myself to root for the Iggles, even though the very nice person who installed my new techno gadgets the last couple of weeks is an Iggles fan. :)

  109. rifalcon42 January 18th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    “Yes, and good sports that they were, they didn’t try to run up the score”

    yeah bacause triple digits MIGHT have been a little embaressing! hahahahahaha

  110. BBB January 18th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    I may be late in posting this, apologies if I am but did anyone else get a load of this garbage? Jim Rice needs to kill himself, what a whiny little punk!!!

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....?track=rss

    “Rice blames Boss, Yanks on never winning a Series”

    “”During that time, Steinbrenner spent more money than the Red Sox,” Rice said. “He had more free agents. So when you get the best free agents, and you get the superstars from other ballclubs, that’s what made you have a better team. The more money you can spend, the better you should get.”

    Rice does have reason to be bitter. From his post in the shadow of the Green Monster, he saw the Yankees buy Catfish Hunter, Reggie Jackson, Goose Gossage, Tommy John, Luis Tiant, Dave Winfield, Rickey Henderson and Don Gullett.”

    Funny, no mention of Bucky Dent…the Yankees didn’t “buy” him, did they?
    And no mention of how the Sux “bought” Mike Torrez from us and it all blew up in their faces either….very selective memories on the part of both the author of this article and overrated d-bag Jim Rice! 128 OPS+ and no WS rings, LOL!!!!

  111. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 18th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    GreenBeret7 January 18th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    I see where the slovakian Women’s Hockey team struggled against the Bulgarian Women’s Hockey team, 82-0. Shots on goal….Slovakia-137, Bulgaria-0.
    ________________________________________________________

    Could this be the next Archduke Ferdinand moment?

  112. BBB January 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    Another comical nugget:
    “Even now, Rice remains annoyed by the Yankees’ habit of throwing money at their problems. Not surprisingly, he lauds Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein for doing things the right way.”

    Hahahaha, I guess his punk azz was sleeping in the winter of 06-07 when his team dropped more money than 75 Haitians see in a year in order to get out of 3rd place!! What a mediocre, overrated, whiny, ringless hypocrite. Too bad for him all the crying in the world won’t change that :)

  113. Ham Fighters January 18th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    the chargers made the playoffs with an 8-8 record. iv advocated for years for baseball and football that when a division champion is not over .500 they shouldnt qualify for the playoffs and instead should be replaced by another wild-card team.

  114. BBB January 18th, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Ham Fighters: That is even more true in basketball! If the playoffs started tomorrow, the below .500 Milwaukee Bucks would stand to be the 8th seed. ‘Nuff said. I would replace them with whatever team in the West (probably Dallas or Utah) is going to finish 9th in the conference, around 10 games over .500 and miss playoffs.

  115. Rob NY January 18th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    god I really dislike donovan mcnab. But then warner is a loser too. Watching this game is like waiting for a stick in the eye or a kick in the jewels, it’s a lose lose situation!

  116. Ham Fighters January 18th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    like red socks-met in the world series?

  117. thenextandykosco January 18th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    Now that you mention it, Richmond might be a good place for slow stuff from Hernandez in 2009. There won’t be any hitters at the plate in Richmond until at least April 2010, if then. Richmond does not have a team in the affiliated minor leagues in 2009. Therefore, the hitters won’t be any danger to Hernandez there in 2009. It gives him an extra year, at least, for the first pitch to arrive.

  118. Nick in SF January 18th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    It’s really hard to care about the Cardinals one way or another, they just aren’t the Eagles so I’m for them. Blech, today was supposed to the Giants/Panthers rematch!

  119. Rob NY January 18th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    Hey nick you think you feel bad ? I have my NFC championship ticket right here. I’m supposed to be throwing snowballs at panther fans with better seats than me! I’ve avoided sports radio tv and sections of the paper all work. The pain of that loss is still very real LOL

  120. rifalcon42 January 18th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    “god I really dislike donovan mcnab. But then warner is a loser too. Watching this game is like waiting for a stick in the eye or a kick in the jewels, it’s a lose lose situation!”

    assuming your a giants fan, i can understand you trashing on mcnabb. im a flacons fan and cant stand delhomme or most anyone in division, but that being said ( and even though they beat my team 2 weeks ago) what do you base warner being a loser on? hes a stand up guy who came from nowhwere to get where he is today and he has never been called a primadonna like other greats such as favre

  121. Nick in SF January 18th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    I hear ya, Rob, I still have some tickets for some Yankees vs. A’s ALCS games that never happened. Come on Cardinals! That Larry Fitzgerald is great, there’s something to root for. And of course the Cal Bear J.J. Arrington over the Cal Bear DeSean Jackson.

  122. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 18th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    This NFC Championship game makes me wanna cry.
    :cry:

    Is it too late for me to pick to eagles? We all know how well my picks end up doing…

  123. BBB January 18th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    woooow, impressive 12 yards passing from McChoke!

    GO CARDS!!
    Another reason to root for them, they have a local (for my fellow Jerseyans) guy from Passiac Tech on defense…something Hayes, I forget his name already but he got a pick last week, there was a big article about him in yesterday’s Record.

    and although his short time with our Giants was not exactly memorable, I always thought Warner was a decent guy too. I think he officially nailed down his case for the Hall of Fame with this year’s comeback and would like to see him wrap it up with a SB ring.

  124. Rob NY January 18th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    Falcon42 — when warner was a giant he pretty much knew manning was going to be the guy and he was just keeping the seat warm. Once he started playing poorly and the Eli era started he was a bit of a jerk about it. Things didn’t go very nicely. I like him more than mcnabber but that isn’t saying much.

  125. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 18th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

    Gerald Hayes?

  126. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 18th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    What the frack was that.

  127. rifalcon42 January 18th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Falcon42—when warner was a giant he pretty much knew manning was going to be the guy and he was just keeping the seat warm. Once he started playing poorly and the Eli era started he was a bit of a jerk about it. Things didn’t go very nicely. I like him more than mcnabber but that isn’t saying much.

    ok i dont recall that all that much, but you being a giant fan would have more knowledge and remember that situation more than i would! fair enough though

  128. Nick in SF January 18th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    That was a crazy play, gotta hand it to DeSean Jackson. Kind of saw it unfolding with the way he was holding the ball. Too bad.

    Kurt Warner acts like a cylon.

  129. Aaron(the better Aaron)(KEEP NADY AND SWISH) January 18th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Any G-Men fans like the idea of Karlos Dansby as our other OLB next year?? Kiwanuke(OLB) Pierce(MLB) Dansby(OLB)

  130. BBB January 18th, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    Wow I dont remember Warner complaining…though I was living 1700 miles away at the time without cable or internet, so I guess thatll do it haha.
    His personality aside though, he’s got a great arm yet most wouldnt even consider putting him in the same category as Favre the INT King…I’d like to see him shut those people up with a Super Bowl.

    SA: Yep, thats it, Gerald Hayes! Don’t mind me, I’m in the midst of quitting smoking cold turkey so my brain is kinda scrambled. Normally I wouldn’t forget a front page article in the span of a day.

  131. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 18th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    BBB-I’m trying to quit smoking too. The Giants game last Sunday did not help at all.

    Nice fAkers missed

  132. randy l January 18th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    “What randy didn’t say is that Livan has already thrown his first pitch of the 2009 season. It should arrive at home plate sometime in early April.”

    nick in sf-

    i think i just saw the ball on cnn go by the lincoln memorial.

    speaking of historical monuments, today’s post has taken a lot of people back in time through yankee history. baseball always takes place in the time it’s in. this inauguration is history in the making .

    here’s my story: in spring of 1968, with the yankees in the depth of their despair. right after high school, i headed for california from connecticut with a few friends in my vw van . after breaking down on the nj turnpike and spending a few days in ridgewood ,nj while most of our money was spent on a new engine and meeting some very cool girls who cruised the downtown in a loop to the railroad tracks and back, we finally made it to washington,dc.

    after taking in the lincoln memorial, washington monument, and other assorted historical sights, we looked for a place to sleep that night. we saw a park filled with thousands of african-americans sitting around camp fires in front of white plywood lean to’s.

    so we joined them around the campfires. the next thing you know we were drinking what they were to stay warm( use your imagination) and basically having an enjoyable time. we had no idea why they were there. they didn’t say and we didn’t ask. what we felt was being welcomed and friendliness being extended.

    i found out two years later looking in a history book that it was resurrection city that had formed after martin luther king’s assassination. no one had said anything to us probably figuring that we knew what was going on.

    i can honestly say that in 1968, i had more on my mind than the yankees imploding, but i will also say that when i did finally make it to california, i always checked the baseball scores in the la times. baseball and history take place at the same time whether we’re paying attention or not.

    this is definitely a time to pay attention to history in the next few days. this is a very big deal. i looked back at some of the photos from that road trip last night along with baseball photos of high school and even photos i took of old yankee stadium with mantle and maris getting ready to place catch.

    the fact that martin luther king day is a day before the inauguration makes things even more poignant. i hope one of the guest posters says something about baseball ,martin luther king day ,the inauguration of obama .

    the baseball stories we have take place in the historical times we’re in. the older you get the more you realize that.

  133. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 18th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Holy Fitzgerald! TD Arizona!

  134. Joe from Long Island January 18th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    randy I – nice post. Very nice.

  135. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 18th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    BBB and SA,

    wanna try quit smoking? just replace all your cigs with gum. worked for me, at least? LOL. :D

  136. rifalcon42 January 18th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    damn fitz is amazing!

  137. Steve January 18th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    There is a lot of misleading information on this deal. First, the Yanks are receiving tax exempt bond financing. All that means is that the investors who buy the bonds are exempt from having the interest that receive from their purchase of the bonds taxed. Thus, the bonds carry a lower interest rate and lowers the overall cost of the project. This is a provision provided under the IRS code and is commonly used for financing of stadiums, arenas and convention centers. The Yankees are only doing what has been used in nearly all stadium and convention center deals. Brodsky and company need to quit harping on this point because they do not know what they are talking about.

    The Yankees are responsible for placing the bonds, finding a buyer and assume full obligation for repayment. The City and IDA have no obligations to the bond holders and do not have these bonds count against their bonded indebtedness. The notion that somehow the Yankee stadium tax exempt bonding deprives the City of the ability to invest in parks, schools and other infrastructure is an absurd statement. If the Yankee deal did not happen would not automatically provide the City with an ability to go forward and issue bonds that would carry the full faith and credit of the City.

    Second, title to Yankee stadium is in the name of the IDA and leased back to the Yankees for nominal consideration. The Yanks get title back when the bonds are repaid. The Yanks have all rights of a property owner and have all the obligations of a property owner. The IDA and government in general do not assume any obligations on the bonds or are obligated for the operating costs for the stadium.

    Third, the land in question was a city park and was not taxable to begin with. Therefore, there is no loss of existing tax revenue as the land was not taxable to begin with.

    Fourth, it appears that the deal includes what is commonly known as a PILOT Agreement. This agreement, essentially has the Yankees paying something in lieu of taxes to the taxing jurisdictions. It appears from my reading of the various newspaper accounts that the PILOT deal has the Yankees making something like $70 M in PILOT payments but there is some type of allocation agreement whereby the PILOT payments are a revenue stream that are being diverted to support debt service and not provide PILOT payments directly to tthe taxing jurisidctions. This is legal and is not taking away a revenue that ordinarily was received by the City. What is not clear is whether this PILOT Payment income is paying the Yankee debt service on the stadium or instead is being used to pay the debt service incurred by the City for some of the infrastructure that the City is indeed financing.

    Fifth, it appears that issue on the assessment of the land going from 22.4 M to something closer to 204 million was done to goose up the amount of the PILOT. I am not sure if

    Not knowing the terms of the deal, this is the part of the deal that needs more discussion. It would be my hope that the some of the PILOT PAyment is going to the taxing entities and not all of this to the Yankees for their financing of the stadium. I think this is the aspect of the deal that requires more disclosure and questions.

    Again, the Yanks did nothing wrong nor did the city. The key question in my view is whether any of the PILOT is being used to support non-Yankee stadium debt. If the Yanks are receiving the benefit of all of the PILOT then I would ask is there something else in this deal that has the Yanks making payments that offset the city loss of the PILOT.

    Focus attention on this aspect of the deal and quit the empty political rhetoric that makes it sound like the Yankees did something illegal

  138. Al from BK January 18th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Jim Rice oddly enough didn’t bring up his Sox choking away the series in 86 to the Mutts. Free agency didn’t even exist until the second half of the century the Sox never won for 86 years because they sucked. There was never a “curse” just a convenient excuse.

  139. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 18th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    “Jim Rice oddly enough didn’t bring up his Sox choking away the series in 86 to the Mutts.”

    and didn’t blame Bill Buckner for misplaying the ball.

  140. UpState January 18th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Brad Pitt’s better-looking brother
    January 18th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
    So there are more than I thought here with an historic and realistic Yankee upbringing. Maybe most my Steve Whitaker or Hector Lopez references won’t fall on deaf ears….
    ======================================
    Loved Steve Whitaker – really hoped he would’ve been a star….then they lost him in the expansion draft (see below).
    What really happened to him ??? Injury ???

    from: Baseball-Reference —

    Before 1962 Season: Signed by the New York Yankees as an amateur free agent.

    October 15, 1968: Drafted by the Kansas City Royals from the New York Yankees as the 23rd pick in the 1968 expansion draft.

    April 1, 1969: Traded by the Kansas City Royals with John Gelnar to the Seattle Pilots for Lou Piniella.

    This Lou Piniella character – who did he ever become ???

  141. Nick in SF January 18th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Why couldn’t the Giants get to McNabb like that???? Grrrrr. We need Osi back.

    S.A. and other Lost fans: you might enjoy this preview before Wednesday. Can you recognize the voice behind the camera?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6Q7gzUjI8

  142. randy l January 18th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    i hate to ask a stupid question , but what’s up with hbo having the rights to the music being played in public today at the pre inauguration festivities. isn’t that in the public domain? who is hbo paying anyway ? the us government ?

    i don’t get it.

    springsteen is there on his own for free and they don’t televise it as news?

  143. Zach in Port Jeff January 18th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    c’mon arizona…

  144. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 18th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Ed-I’m def trying to substitute cigarettes for gum. :)

    Uh Oh Cardinals choking the game away?

  145. PAT M January 18th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    15 minutes ago I was loving my Cards plus 3.5….

  146. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 18th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    S.A. and other Lost fans: you might enjoy this preview before Wednesday. Can you recognize the voice behind the camera?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo6Q7gzUjI8

    ======================================

    That for that Nick. Can’t wait for Lost!
    Is it Faraday? I can’t tell.

  147. Rob NY January 18th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Kurt Warner turning back into a pumpkin. He better dial up the fairy godmother.

  148. Zach in Port Jeff January 18th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    wow.

  149. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 18th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Oh no

  150. Zach in Port Jeff January 18th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    i don’t like sports anymore…

    i need a new hobby.

    anyone know anything about model trains?

  151. UpState January 18th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    I guess you’d need to get alot of willing models ?

  152. PAT M January 18th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Zach, I’ve been a model Train hobbiest for years….I collect NYC / MTA subway’s from all era’s…..

  153. Zach in Port Jeff January 18th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    now THAT would be a hobby!

  154. Zach in Port Jeff January 18th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    c’mon Fitzy!

  155. Nick in SF January 18th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    S.A.: that’s who I think it is too.

    A couple minutes ago I texted my brother “why don’t they throw the ******g ball to Fitzgerald???”

    I’ve got the +4 and the money line, I was a lot happier 15 minutes ago too, but I sitll feel ok.

  156. Zach in Port Jeff January 18th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    throw two fade routes to Fitz. just do it.

  157. Zach in Port Jeff January 18th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    If Arizona loses this game, I am seriously about to take up a hobby as a model train collector. Seriously. Its gotta be much better for my emotional well-being than watching sports.

    Dont make me do it Arizona.

    TOUCHDOWN!

  158. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 18th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Oh thank god. TD Zona

  159. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 18th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    I would love to have Fitzgerald on the Giants. Or even Boldin. Maybe the Giants can trade for Boldin?

  160. Nick in SF January 18th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    For Fitzgerald the Cardinals would want Hughes and Cano and Melancon, and that’s just for starters.

    Wow!

  161. Zach in Port Jeff January 18th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    No Hughes…

    Give em Kennedy.

  162. Nick in SF January 18th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    Please do not kick it to DeSean Jackson!!!!!!!

  163. UpState January 18th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    Pass interference.
    Tough luck Philly – you got ‘jobbed’ !

  164. michelle b. (X is the best letter in the alphabet!) January 18th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    Ughh i hate kurt warner – actually, i hate his wife. She will spend the entire off season gloating about how her husband was touched by jesus and given the ability to win another super bowl. YUCK.

    In case anyone cares this is the lates on the marion – o’neal trade.

    However …

    Plugged-in sources say that Riley wants to see how O’Neal, who only returned to the Raptors’ lineup Friday, holds up physically in a handful of games before taking the discussions any further. And as stated above, sources indicate that there are other teams in contention for Marion, most notably Dallas in a trade that would feature Josh Howard going to Miami for Marion.

    Yet it remains to be seen (a) whether Miami ultimately decides that it would rather gamble on O’Neal’s vulnerable right knee in spite of his Toronto’s struggles because quality centers are harder to find and (b) whether Dallas is prepared to surrender Howard for Marion and risk losing Marion without compensation this summer.

    Howard obviously isn’t a center, but the 28-year-old would appear to fit better alongside Wade and rookie Michael Beasley than Marion, since he wouldn’t cut into Beasley’s minutes at power forward like Marion sometimes does.

    courtesy of ESPN.com

  165. Zach in Port Jeff January 18th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    What a close call.

    I had “introduction to model train collecting” queued up on my google search window.

    I was close to pressing Enter….Spending my weekends for the next thirty years in my garage…wearing old vintage train conductors hats…whilst holding a glue gun.

  166. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Giants loss still stings trust me it does :( January 18th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Darnell you fat basterd just fall down ! :lol:

  167. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 18th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Igawa, Kennedy, Hank Steinbrenner and Felix Lopez for Fitzgerald?

    Congrats to Arizona. I’ll be rooting for them

  168. Fran January 18th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    How many people picked the Arizona Cardinals to go to the Super Bowl at the beginning of the season? I don’t even think the players thought they could make it.

  169. jennifer January 18th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    Fran- Not me, I was stupid enough to put money on the Jets. Worst 10 bucks I’ve spent. :lol:

  170. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Giants loss still stings trust me it does :( January 18th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    None, no one did, I picked them to make the playoffs because of what Pierce said after we played them but not the SuperBowl… P.S. Larry Fitzgerald my god how I wish we could have him on the Giants. Kiwanuka and Plax for Fitz com’on Cards.

  171. Nick in SF January 18th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    McNabb: “I didn’t even know they had a team in Arizona.”

  172. Rob NY January 18th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Nick or Pat M — what’s the line on the next game? I have 2 and 8 in my pool so I lose, but maybe I can put some cash down on it zinc I don’t otherwise care for pitt or balt.

  173. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Giants loss still stings trust me it does :( January 18th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    LOL Nick com’on :lol:

  174. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 18th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    The Cardinals are going to the Super Bowl? The who-and-the-what now?

  175. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Giants loss still stings trust me it does :( January 18th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    If Pitts makes it, The Steelers will win the SB, I’m calling that one right now.

  176. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 18th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Nick in SF January 18th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    McNabb: “I didn’t even know they had a team in Arizona.”

    ======================================

    LOL

    Alright Steelers vs Ravens.
    I’m picking the Steelers, so y’all know what that means.. :shock:

  177. Zach in Port Jeff January 18th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    McNabb: “I didn’t even know they had a team in Arizona.”

    Heh heh.

    Maybe McNabb can study the rule book during the offseason.

  178. ANSKY January 18th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    Flacco = Flaccid

    GO STEELERS!

  179. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Giants loss still stings trust me it does :( January 18th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    Big Ben will have 2 ?

  180. Zach in Port Jeff January 18th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    Flacco = Flaccid

    Potential NY Post headline tomm?

  181. Nick in SF January 18th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Rob: on my book it’s the Steelers -6 (-120) and the o/u is 35.5.

    For entertainment purposes only, of course.

  182. Doreen January 18th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    I know earlier I goofed and said I was rooting for the Ravens and the Steelers. Silly me, forgive me. My husband will verify that I MEANT the Cardinals and the Steelers. So far, I’ve got one. So, let’s go STILLERS!

  183. Doreen January 18th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Rebecca =

    How’d it go this afternoon? You can e-mail me if that’s more appropriate. Thanks.

  184. PAT M January 18th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Pittsburg minus 6 over / under 35……I have Pitt, the unders….And a slight parlay

  185. Drew January 18th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Great job Andrew….told you, you were spoiled ;)

  186. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 18th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

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