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I’ll have what Melky is drinking

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 20, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Bruney asked for $1.55 million in arbitration. The Yankees offered $1.1 million. Seems like there is a deal to be made there before a hearing.

Melky Cabrera, meanwhile, asked for $1.7 million. The Yankees offered $1.2 million. Cabrera made $461,200 last season.

This would be the same Melky Cabrera who hit .249 last season with 21 extra-base hits in 414 at-bats. He also was demoted to Triple-A in August and had 13 at-bats in September.

I wonder if the Yankees burst out laughing when he asked for a $1.23 million raise.

UPDATE, 5:52 p.m.: This just in, Melky has now signed. Working on the figure.

 
 

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103 Responses to “I’ll have what Melky is drinking”

  1. Ed January 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Jeesh, even the Yankees offer represents a 160% raise.

  2. Wave Your Hat January 20th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    The Yanks seem willing to give Melky a $730,000 raise after last year, so the Yanks couldn’t have been laughing too hard. Either way Melky is looking to a pretty devent payday.

  3. Mitchell January 20th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Yanks should just have the hearing. What arbitrator in the right mind would give Melky 1.7 mil?

  4. NJ in Tampa January 20th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Why the hell would the Yankees even give him 1.2 million

  5. bartap January 20th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    With the economy being what it is, the price of milk is going up.

  6. Doreen January 20th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    I am more surprised the Yankees offered $1.1 million than I am that Melky asked for what he did. Hey, ask for the stars, settle for a little less. He’ll end up okay, even it it goes to arbitration he’s getting a nice raise. Although, i wonder if Melky has the fortitude to listen to all the negatives that surely will get aired in arbitration.

  7. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Trade Nady, Ramirez and cash to St. Louis for Schumaker, Ryan and a prospect. Move Cabrera and Veras to the Cubs for Rich Hill and a pros pect. Add part of the savings savings to Pettitte offer and get him signed.

  8. Bernadette January 20th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    My God, I can’t believe the Yankees are willing to give him so much!

  9. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption January 20th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Wow, wish I was as bad at baseball as Melky. Then again i’d probably have to be 100x better than I was in my softball league this summer. When they try and get me to play RF again I think i’m due for a raise. Maybe Sam Adams this year instead of Bud Light. lol

    It’s funny when you think about how many times we say things like “oh, he’s absolutely terrible.” Because frankly even the worst MLB guys are some of the best in the world. I find myself doing it with NFL starting quarterbacks more than anything. Saying Danny Kanell sucks is one thing, but stop and realize the guy was better than hundreds of thousands of us armchair athletes/ former college players.

  10. Mitchell January 20th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    GreenBeret7,
    That sounds good except we won’t have a bullpen…

  11. Doreen January 20th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Oops – I misread. The $1.1 was to Bruney, not Melky. Melky gets an offer of $1.2 mil. Wow. I like Melky but he was a huge disappointment last season. How does that get rewarded with such a raise? Whatever. Can’t wait to see the settlement number. Sigh.

  12. Nick in SF in Napa January 20th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Melky quickly caved when he found out that Cashman had invited brettisgod to testify at the arbitration hearing.

  13. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption January 20th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Nick– I’d like to call Melkyisgod as a rebuttal witness.

  14. S.o.S. January 20th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    hmmmm. Melky wants 1.7 mil even though he had been demoted for lack of performance.

    10 mil – 1.7 mil = 8.3

    Time to trade the rotten Milk for Cameron.

  15. Ninja Burglar January 20th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Does anyone know if these arbitration deals for Melky and Bruney mean that they are out of minor league options? Not that I think Bruney would be sent down, but I am interested to know if the options is a formulated process, or if it’s somewhat negotiated.

  16. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Mitchell
    January 20th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
    GreenBeret7,

    That sounds good except we won’t have a bullpen…

    ————————————————————

    NYY has plenty of bullpen help ready to come up now. Ramirez isn’t likely to fool teams for a second year. Veras has stuff, but, NYY has better waiting. Albaladejo, Melancon, Cox and if Hill is acquired, could get his problems irined out in blowouts to start, buy, he has agreat arm and could become an emergency starter if necessary. Veras and Ramirez are extremely expendable.

  17. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    CORRECTION: problems ***ironed*** out in blowouts to start, buy, he has a great

  18. Jeremy January 20th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    He’s still a young CF who was being compared to Bernie Williams as of April 2008, and who plays for a team that is weak in CF.

    If Melky plays like he did in 2006-2007 (good defense, passable offense for CF), which is more than possible, I can see him as worth around $1.5 million. More importantly, I guess the arbitrators could have seen him that way too.

  19. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    Ninja Burglar
    January 20th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
    Does anyone know if these arbitration deals for Melky and Bruney mean that they are out of minor league options? Not that I think Bruney would be sent down, but I am interested to know if the options is a formulated process, or if it’s somewhat negotiated.

    ————————————————————

    Cabrera has options left….Bruney does not.

  20. S.o.S. January 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    “That sounds good except we won’t have a bullpen…
    ——————————————————————————————
    NYY has plenty of bullpen help ready to come up now. Ramirez isn’t likely to fool teams for a second year. Veras has stuff, but, NYY has better waiting. Albaladejo, Melancon, Cox and if Hill is acquired, could get his problems irined out in blowouts to start, buy, he has agreat arm and could become an emergency starter if necessary. Veras and Ramirez are extremely expendable.”

    gb7,
    Whew!! I was affraid you would bring back the Joba is our 8th inning guy.
    Not sure about Cox. He was getting hammered at the end of the year.

  21. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Giants loss still stings trust me it does :( January 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Melky pero tu estas loko ?

  22. Mitchell January 20th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Alba and Melancon are good but haven’t proved anything in the majors. Cox is a huge injury risk and he hasn’t proven much in the high minors due to injuries.

  23. Ed - American League, prepare to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! January 20th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    “Melky pero tu estas loko ?”

    Si. El stupido. (wait, does that sound right? lol)

  24. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Jeremy
    January 20th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
    He’s still a young CF who was being compared to Bernie Williams as of April 2008, and who plays for a team that is weak in CF.

    If Melky plays like he did in 2006-2007 (good defense, passable offense for CF), which is more than possible, I can see him as worth around $1.5 million. More importantly, I guess the arbitrators could have seen him that way too.

    ———————————————————–

    Those are only player requests and team offers. No hearing has been set, so, the players and team can still negotiate.

  25. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Giants loss still stings trust me it does :( January 20th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    ‘Si. El stupido. (wait, does that sound right? lol)’

    Ahi ahi..

  26. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 20th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Brandon: Claro.

    Pero, se necesita estar loco para ganar en el mundo del beisbol!

  27. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
    “That sounds good except we won’t have a bullpen…
    ——————————————————————————————
    NYY has plenty of bullpen help ready to come up now. Ramirez isn’t likely to fool teams for a second year. Veras has stuff, but, NYY has better waiting. Albaladejo, Melancon, Cox and if Hill is acquired, could get his problems irined out in blowouts to start, buy, he has agreat arm and could become an emergency starter if necessary. Veras and Ramirez are extremely expendable.”

    gb7,
    Whew!! I was affraid you would bring back the Joba is our 8th inning guy.
    Not sure about Cox. He was getting hammered at the end of the year.

    ————————————————————

    Not me. The only way that Chamberlain goes to the bullpen would be if he shows that he can’t hold up as a starter…much like Rivera. I like the idea of having 3 #1 starters and a #1.5 type starter in the rotation. Cox has the arm, just needs to get healthy and back in sync. At one time (about 3 years ago), he was being looked at as Rivera’s successor.

  28. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Giants loss still stings trust me it does :( January 20th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Si pero esta tan loco que esta de irse para un manicomio.

  29. saucy January 20th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Se habla taco bell…

  30. Don't Look Now January 20th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    “Trade Nady, Ramirez and cash to St. Louis for Schumaker, Ryan and a prospect. Move Cabrera and Veras to the Cubs for Rich Hill and a pros pect. Add part of the savings savings to Pettitte offer and get him signed.”

    Another genius GM.

  31. S.o.S. January 20th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    GB7,
    I was just messing with you on the 8th inning deal. Rivera didnt have 4 pitches and i have heard that Rivera gained 3 to 4 mph on his fastball in a couple weeks span in the minors. Never heard of anyone doing that.

    I followed a bit of Cox from his Texas years. He was very good till his injury. Hope he regains his old form back.

  32. PRAWN15 January 20th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Melky is now useless AND expensive.

  33. S.o.S. January 20th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Se hable Engles

  34. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 20th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Brandon:

    Ah, pero, sabes que estan muchos manicomios cerca de aqui?

    El beisbol y la nueva york, no son cosas buenas cuando estan juntas :-P

    Okay, Estoy mentiendo. El beisbol y la NY tienen que estar juntas!

  35. Joe I January 20th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Melky signed for $1.4 million according to the AP.

  36. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Giants loss still stings trust me it does :( January 20th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    ‘He’s crazy’

  37. randy l January 20th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    ” Signing another starter is not a luxury for this team – it is a necessity IMO.”

    ed-

    just finished reading dave’s lengthy opinion on getting another starter.

    i’d agree.

    i would also say that reading dave’s last line first is the way to go.

  38. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption January 20th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Je parle un peu de francais. pas l’espanol.

  39. S.o.S. January 20th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Has Melky been talking to Pettitte? Hello Gardner and Sheets/Hughes.

  40. Todd January 20th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    I would have offered Melky 50 grand tops…….

  41. ANSKY January 20th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    The Yanks offered $1.1M raise and Melky actually wanted more than THAT?

    Damn … if I can get hired as a beer vendor this year, how long before I can go to arbitration?

  42. Betsy January 20th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    How does the Nady contract impact his trade value? Personally, I’d prefer to keep both Nady and Swisher – I love having dept. However, if the Yankees think that trading one will strengthen the team and be more beneficial than having both, I would prefer that Nady be the one to go.

    I’m through with Andy. If he comes back to the Yankees and expresses how much he wants to return, I would consider adding incentives…..and I would encourage the Yankees to bend just a little. However, he’s very, very prideful – too much so- and I don’t think that will happen. The guy likes to be wined and dined (I thought he was very much in the wrong in 2003 – he knows how George worked, treating FAs better than his own players. If he had come back to the Yankees and told them how much he wanted to remain in pinstripes, he would have gotten his $$$. George is a sentimental man). That’s not happening here – the Yankees want him, but only to a certain point.

    That said, the Yankees need to make a move ASAP with regards to their rotation. I am extremely uncomfortable with such an unsettled situation. Either take a chance with Sheets and hope to at least get 1/2 year from him (maybe Phil will be ready afterwards) or sign Garcia…..Right now, it doesn’t appear as if they have a plan (even though I believe they do).

    I still don’t know what their plan is for CF – it will be a colossal joke if they go with Melky/Gardner again.

  43. S.o.S. January 20th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    “Melky signed for $1.4 million according to the AP.”

    Thats much more than Bubba recieved. I wonder if he’s pissed hearing this news?

  44. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Uh, guess Pete’s take on Melky’s worth differs from the Yankees’ take!

    :D

  45. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    And by the way, only an idiot wouldn’t aim high.

  46. S.o.S. January 20th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Ansky,
    This agent is waiting for you to give me the go. Make sure your glove is dusted off and make sure you find that little league web cap.

  47. randy l January 20th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    i like melky cabrera. he clearly regressed last year, but was that him or was that the coaching?

    even players like mussina need “my way or the highway” ultimatums at times. mussina was killing the team for years with refusing to pitch inside. last year, he was told to do it or he was going to the bullpen. the result was he won twenty for the first time.

    maybe that’s all that melky needs. i say let him compete and give him the coaching necessary to compete. he had a really good year two years ago for his age. he’s too young to give up on. cano regressed also.

    what’s up with the yankees on providing coaching that brings players steadily along each year ? they don’t seem to do it. it drives me crazy gardner still can’t bunt. i think players should stay down longer and come up when they are really ready.

    until gardner can bunt, he shouldn’t see yankee stadium. if melky doesn’t kick back into gear , he doesn’t deserve to see it either, but i think he has it in him to hit .280 and have a .350 obp. if he does that and plays a good centerfield , he worth salvaging and giving him another chance.

    eve if he has a come back year, maybe it’s just for 2009, and then he could be traded when he has more value. whatever happens, i think he has it in him to be a decent major league player.

  48. rossdfarian January 20th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    The b@lls on Melky to ask for so much! And, what kind of monkey math did the Yankees do to get to $1.1mil on their end? I have been a good producer for my company and will not be getting a raise this year. Melky stinks it up and is a major reason we weren’t contenders and his salary gets tripled? I would have offered $650,000 … tops!

  49. Phil January 20th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    There might be more to this since Melky’s was apparently one of the deals that was improperly administered in the Dominican signings scandal that came to light last year.

  50. randy l January 20th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    “I’ll have what Melky is drinking”

    if he signed for 1.4 million, i’ll bet he drinking champagne.

    melky has it in him to be a decent major league player. he needs to have a good year and then probably be used in a win /win trade for everyone. he’s probably not good enough to be a long time yankee center fielder, but he has the potential to be a regular center fielder for some team.

  51. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    You people make me laugh – like you all have so much more smarts on what a player is worth than the Yankees do.

  52. rossdfarian January 20th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    PS – If Kevin Gregg gets $4.2mil and Chad Qualls gets $2.5mil, then Bruney should have at least gotten $2mil. He didn’t even ask for it! I guess he feels guilty about getting hurt whilst leaving it all out on the field.

  53. rossdfarian January 20th, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    Melky is a hack. I said it before last season … he’s only been kept around to be Cano’s best friend. But, his production detracts from the team and it’s time for him to go. Who needs a 4th/5th outfield with decent defensive skills and an occasional lucky hitting streak?

  54. Phil January 20th, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    This is moot. Melky just signed for 1.4M.

  55. S.o.S. January 20th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    “I would have offered $650,000 … tops!”

    Unless a batboy is making 650 a year, id say no. Actually the batboy should make more. At least the batboy is helping the big league team and not travelling on a bus in the minors.

  56. Nick in SF in Napa January 20th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    Don’t you clown/idiot/morons know better than to question any move the Yankees make?? They’re the Yankees! Who are you? I’ll give you a hint: you’re not the Yankees.

    I actually miss stuart every once in a while. He has a certain style.

  57. saucy January 20th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

    You have to wonder what would have happened if melky duplicated 2007 numbers in 2008. My guess is he’d be looking at something in the 3 to 4 mil range. So 1.4 doesn’t seem all that ridiculous…

  58. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    saucy – amen. I just said basically the same thing in the new thread.

  59. S.o.S. January 20th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Nick
    My bloggers i miss list.

    hmmm
    whozat
    raymag(not here that often)
    anti-mussina(gave us someone to gang up on)

  60. Tex's New Best Friend January 20th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    Hopefully Melky will play like he did in April of 08′ all this season.

  61. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Hey Nick, now if YOU had weighed in with an amount I would have swooned because I know you know more than anyone, Pete included.

    But since you didn’t I had to defer to the Yankees. (You do have more experience in evaluating players, doncha?)

    ;)

  62. rossdfarian January 20th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Nick … part of being a fan of any sport is the right to second-guess teams for using information to which you’re not privy. So, sit back, open a bottle of something that doesn’t compare to wines of similar types from other regions of the world, and try to find the humor in the futility of these exchanges. Or, don’t. We don’t care.

  63. S.o.S. January 20th, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    bloggers that i miss
    whozat
    hmmm
    whozat
    anti-moose

  64. saucy January 20th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    Ah. Didn’t realize there was a new thread trisha, thanks. It’s not easy to scroll up fast on this blackberry..

  65. S.o.S. January 20th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    sorry meant raymag on one of the whozat.

  66. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    rossdfarian, Nick was goofing on my post. He wasn’t being serious.

  67. Nick in SF in Napa January 20th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Stick around, rossdfarian, and you’ll get more of the jokes. And perhaps speak just for yourself?

  68. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    saucy, not a problem. Actually good that you posted the same kind of thing here!

    :)

  69. Nick in SF in Napa January 20th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Trisha: kudos to you there, you did the classy thing.

  70. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    :)

    Thanks Nick!

  71. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    S.o.S.
    January 20th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
    GB7,
    I was just messing with you on the 8th inning deal. Rivera didnt have 4 pitches and i have heard that Rivera gained 3 to 4 mph on his fastball in a couple weeks span in the minors. Never heard of anyone doing that.

    I followed a bit of Cox from his Texas years. He was very good till his injury. Hope he regains his old form back.

    ————————————————————

    O, I knew that the Chamberlain thing was a joke, but, it still amazes me that the internet fist fights and radio and other media idiots like Francessa stil obsess (or, abscess) over it.

    The additional miles on Rivera’s fastball has alwys been a mystery to everyone…scouts, team, doctors and Rivera. He didn’t throw that hard before the injury. Rivera says it was Gos’s help, and, nobody can really dispute it, because there is no other answer.

  72. kenneth h. January 20th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    hay yankees, here is an idea for hank, brain, and the rest. peavey could be yours for your left overs? think, milky,hughes,kennady,nady, 2 million, and a single a player? look at your starters then, cc,peavey,aj,wang,jaba. he named you as a team he wanted to play for. and he is under contract for 4 years. better look into it before boston. they also have what it takes to land him and was also named by jake. see you or boston in october, the dodgers.

  73. Bob Ruffolo January 20th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Nice job reporting the Melky Arbitration status Peter!

  74. UpState January 20th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    PRAWN15

    January 20th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Melky is now useless AND expensive.
    ——————————————

    Bullseye, Prawn.

    Send Melky to live “in a van, down by the river”….take his money – and give it to Andy & get him on board !!!

    Un-flippin’- believeable !!!

    Now even his “little cute name” isn’t cute anymore…

    Where’s Bubba Crosby, Gerald Williams, & Karim Garcia ???

    (better than Mulky)

  75. Jon January 21st, 2009 at 10:00 am

    Melky is a below average (but still better than replacement level) player. He is getting paid a below average, but higher than replacement level salary.

    The salary is completely in line with what players should be getting in their first year of arbitration eligibility.

    Those who look at his salary and performance last year and are judging his raise based on those two factors really need to learn how baseball’s salary structure works.

  76. Larry January 21st, 2009 at 10:06 am

    I just dont get it….I think Melk is worth the 1.2 million. This guy is a defensive gem!! he has a great arm that he has shown time in and time out…good amount of assist in the OF. And thats not talking bout the great jumping cathces that he has made in the last 3 seasons. Yes the guy hit 249. 8 HR, blah blah blah…but look at swisher, he gets paid 7mil a yr avg and he never batted over 250 in his career!! And defensively, melk is more superior then Swisher. Just cause he was in a funk hitting, doesnt meant he is crap on defensive too…

  77. Larry January 21st, 2009 at 10:08 am

    and andy on the other hand, sucks!! and you guys want him back, he isnt worth the ten that was offered…I wouldnt give him 7mil for the way he played last year…and he is always injured….what good is that??
    Sign Sheets and Cruz, if not…give Hughes a turn!
    Or sign Sheets anyways and start Hughes and put Joba in as the set up!

  78. NYY January 21st, 2009 at 10:11 am

    you have to realize, giving Melky a raise will probably increae his value if a trade is needed…

  79. Klemy January 21st, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Larry: “Or sign Sheets anyways and start Hughes and put Joba in as the set up!”

    $%#@! Not with the Joba to the pen crap again.

  80. Larry January 21st, 2009 at 10:59 am

    klemy: i know everyone is torn about Joba as a starter and set up…im just thinking Wetteland/Mo and I honestly think when Mo retires, Joba will be the new Sandman…

    ok, Joba starts and Coke sets up!??

  81. kenneth h. January 21st, 2009 at 11:45 am

    why the concern on what milky gets paid? yankees are a THIRD place team NOT in the playoffs again. ok i will say cc will win around 20 games, wong about 17, but aj gets hurt every year, joba will wear down, maybe 12 wins from him? petitte,hughes,kennady, i don’t think so. other then an old sandman you have no pin! to manny outfielders, tex about 30/35 homers, same with jason maybe 40? boston will win the east.they have 8 starters to pick from. josh b. dice k, wakefield, smolts,penny, lister,buckholts, and masterson in AAA. rays will be wildcard, you guys are done! go dodgers.

  82. NYY January 21st, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    kenneth,
    you are dumb and you cant spell… yankees are a third place team not in the playoffs again…again meaning the first time in 13 seasons. Yanks were 89-73 with a win % of 549..only 3 teams in the NL topped that…
    and only 3 teams in the AL topped that, but we suck. what were the dodgers?? 84-78 and on top of that, the worst divison in baseball?? you should have jumped on the red sox band wagon…im sure there are more room for crap-flying out of mouth everytime you speak idiots like that in their fanbase.

  83. kenneth h. January 21st, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    nyy, first of all, i just pointed out your teams weakness. if you saw my first letter i said you should go after peavey. and maybe add juan cruz to your pin? i do not think your starters are going to be as great as you do. and you need better pin. 2 don’t matter how you get to the playoffs as long as you get there. look at nfl? chargers 8&8 in playoffs and won a game. 5 teams had better records and sat at home. pats 11&5, jets 9&7, cowboys 9&7, bears 9&7, bucks, 9&7. maybe mlb should add more playoff teams? only 8 of 30 teams go. the rest go home. lowest % in all major sports. nba 16 of 30 go. nfl 12 of 32 go. hell my dodgers still need 2 starting pitchers. think i am wrong? thats fine but if those 2 problems are not fixed we will see where your at next october?

  84. NYY January 21st, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    what’s a pin???

  85. NYY January 21st, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    kenneth,
    the reason why the yankees didnt not make it to the playoffs…was the starting pitchers…we had rasner and ponson and about another 12 rookies…and Wang was out. It is ridiculous to assume that something like that is gonna happen again after adding two starting pitchers and getting Wang back.

    the “pen”?? go take a look…our problems did not involve them, they were actually one of the top in the leagues!

    as for tex in comparison to giambi…yeah, Giambi hit a lot of HR(32) but with a BA of 237 and never a gold glove. Tex hits more HR, switch hitter, and 300 avg.

    The difference between this sport and the other ones..is the closest sport only plays half the games that MLB does. Is it fair only 8 teams goes…prob not. But thats the game.

    as for the Dodgers…you need more than 2 pitchers…

  86. kenneth h. January 21st, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    a bullpen. you have know bullpen… tell me something nyy person? what made you pick a fight with me? was it maybe i told the truth about your team? gave an outside not a yankee fan opion? i speak the truth, i said cc will win around 20 games, wong about 17? aj has a history of being hurt and don’t pitch the whole year. 7 out of 10 years he is out long periods of time. chamberlin is not ready for 200 innings, hughes kennedy, are not as good as you think. go get peavey. your bullpen is your biggest weakness. other then sandman what do you have? go get juan cruz to set up. maybe add another arm you have a lot of outfielders. send milky,nady,hughes,kennedy, 2 million, & a single A player for peavey. as you stand right now i think your a third place team. dodgers will get wolf,garland,or looper. and manny. you should pick up a catcher 2 as jorge will dh most of this year? you have anything else to say?

  87. kenneth h. January 21st, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    well, nyy, you make a good point. i can not fight that i do not no your team that well? as for my dodgers, your right. were stuck in this scott boras manny thing. i think we should just give him a take it or leave it and go after dunn/bobby a. we also need a back up catcher and 2 starting pitchers. your right. as far as playoffs go. i think they could add i more round 2 al/2 nl teams and just the best 2/3. adds one more weak. best 2 records get first round off. like nfl? any way i am all the way in bakersfield,ca. do not no your team as well as you. good luck MR./MRS. NYY.

  88. NYY January 21st, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    kenneth,
    i do not mean to pick a fight with you, i just disagreed with some of the facts that you have. Along the same line, eventhough I am a Yankees fan, I will not disrespect someone else’s team. And you give your honest opinion but I am giving you the numbers and facts.

    Every team needs great pitchers, everyone can use Peavy…but everything seems to mock what the Yanks are doing these days… The Hate is Strong!!

    Do we need another pitcher…?? Maybe. Becuz of the health of some pitchers, an addition like Pettite or Sheets would benefit us…If we dont add these two, does it mean we are not gonna be able to competer in AL East?? NOT A CHANCE
    Yanks got close last year without our ACE and a few others and we used a bunch of no names…and we did not go to the playoffs but not a lot of teams did better than us.

    Bullpen?? Sorry buddy, that was like 2/3 sessons ago when our bullpen was getting pulverized! Last years bullpen was not bad at all, actually it was quite good. With Ramirez, Veras, even Farnsworth, Bruney and Coke and some other guys…Coke was lights out!!

    The difference with me and a lot of ppl is, they hear haters and then they repeat what the haters say…and when i hear BS, I like to discuss the issue with them and prove them wrong…so its nothing personal Kenneth!!

  89. NYY January 21st, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    and my name is Larry

  90. kenneth h. January 21st, 2009 at 4:50 pm

    NYY,LARRY. IT WAS NICE TO TALK TO YOU. IF I SEAM LIKE A HATER I AM NOT. I DO HATE ON THE GIANTS BUT I AM A DODGER FAN. WHAT? IT WAS COOL TO GET AWAY FROM PROBLEMS MY WIFE AND KIDS HAVE AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING I LOVE SPORTS. DO YOU THINK MLB CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT SCOTT BORAS? HE IS BAD FOR BASEBALL. LOOK AT THE A ROD OPT OUT THING? HE TOLD A-ROD TO OPT OUT OF HIS CONTRACT AND HE WOULD GET HIM 30 TO 35 MILLION A YEAR DEAL. A-ROD WENT BACK TO THE YANKEES ON HANDS AND KNEE’S. THEN HE TOLD MANNY TO ACT STUPID GET HIMSELF TRADED AND HE WOULD GET HIM A 100 MILLION 4 YEAR DEAL. THE NEW TEAM CAN NOT PICK UP HIS OPTIONS. AND NOW THE ONLY OFFER HE HAS IS 2 YEARS 45 MILLION AND SCOTT IS DRAGGING THIS OUT. NOT IN MANNY BEST INTEREST. NOR THE DODGERS. LOOK WHAT BOSTON LOST IN THAT DEAL? I KNOW YOU YANKEES DON’T LIKE THEM BUT THEY LOST MANNY BAT FOR THE PLAYOFFS MAYBE A THIRD TRIP TI THE WORLD SERIES. 2 TRIPLE A PLAYERS AND 7 MILLION DOLLARS. ALL THEY GOT BACK WAS JASON BAY. HE IS A GOOD PLAYER BUT NOT MANNY. ANYWAY I NEED TO GO PICK UP MY SON FROM SCHOOL. IT IS ALMOST 2 PM HERE.

  91. kenneth h. January 21st, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    NYY, I NEVER HEARD OF COKE,VERAS, BRUNEY, IF YOU SAY THERE GOOD THEN THERE GOOD. YOU KNOW YOUR TEAM BETTER THEN I DO. MY TEAM JUST PICK UP BRAD AUSMUS, AND BUSTER SAID THE DODGERS IS THE ONLY TEAM FOR MANNY TO PLAY. WE HAVE A GOOD 10 ARMS TO PICK FROM IN ARE BULLPEN. SO WE JUST NEED 2 STARTERS. I THINK R. WOLF, B.LOOPER, GARLAND, WOULD BE GOOD IF WE CAN GET 2 OF THEM. SHEETS OR YES I WILL SAY IT PETTITE WOULD BE OK TO,ON ONE YEAR DEALS. ANDY AND JOE ONE LAST TIME? WHO DO YOU LIKE IN FOOTBALL,BASKETBALL?

  92. ryan January 22nd, 2009 at 7:58 am

    Mo – enough said
    bruney 1.83 ERA 34IP 18 Hits 33 SO
    veras 3.59 ERA 57IP 52 Hits 63 SO
    coke 0.61 ERA 14IP 8 Hits 14 SO
    Ramirez 3.90 ERA 55IP 44 Hits 63 SO
    Giese 3.53 ERA 43IP 39 Hits 29 SO
    Marte – against lefties nearly unhittable.

    yankee bullpen say’s hello…don’t change a thing.

  93. NYY January 22nd, 2009 at 8:36 am

    kenneth,
    as bad as boras is for baseball…it is life…everyone wants more, cant blame them! Its all greed and everyone is guilty. Boras is doing his job…but i agree with you and I think he is a problem. However as a Yankees fan, I do have to say, im glad he got Manny to throw a fit and leave Boston…Manny is the deadliest right handed bat of my time at the very least! I dub him MANimal!! When all said and done, Yanks will give Manny 3 years…lol Idk but i hope so!! you see Kenneth, Im greedy too!!

    i dont hate on teams. I do dislike the Red Sox, but Im suppose to!!

    As for other sports, Im an Eagles fan…yeah we sucked!
    Basketball?? I stopped watching after Jordan retired..Im 30 yrs old…so I havent watched basketball on a regular basis for bout 8 yrs…but I am a big fan of Chris Paul!! Forget the hype on Kobe and Lebron…Chris Paul is the MAN!!!

    :Ryan:
    I agree with Marte…I would like to see his arm get stronger cuz he did lose steam in the latter part of the season…and most of all, would only like to see him against lefties!!

  94. kenneth h. January 22nd, 2009 at 9:21 am

    wow, ryan,nyy, i did not know the yankee bullpen was that good. ok then you will make the playoffs, and go to the world series? but there they will meet two old friends??? manny & joe and the LA DODGERS. and we have a very good young team, r. martin an allstar catcher is only 25, kemp and either the same j.looney 24, furcal, 30, dewitt 23, c.blake 35, and manny, 37 but the best hitter of are times. bar non. we have 10 good arms in the bullpen to pick from, we should get wolf, and looper, or garland,to go with billingsly, kuroda,and the 22 year old kershaw. have you heard of any of them? there all very young but very good, billingsly won 16 games last year, he is 25. your team is better then i thought, anyway, need to get my boys ready for school.

  95. NYY January 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 am

    kenneth:
    Of course I heard of Dodgers’ pitchers. You do have a good young team and they are most deadly with Torre in command, he knows what to do wit hthe youngbloods. I wont be surprised if they do better than last year as Joe gets to know them better. Personally Id stay away from Looper. I recall he was a wreck when he was with the Mets…But one thing I dont like is that the dodgers are afraid to spend their money…You are a big city team, and it takes money to make money… you got to spend a little and be competetive…yeah you made it to the playoffs last year, but it wasnt on who was a better team, it was who didnt suck more…you guys are in serious need of manny…and he hurts you guys cuz he is offense only…maybe bobby abreu is a cheaper and better option for you guys…??

    And as for the yankees being that good…well that was last year and we are great on paper…there is a long way to go..and unless something crazy happens, we will be going into the playoffs!!

  96. kenneth h. January 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 am

    nyy, you have a good point, we need to spend some money. we never even bid on cc and he told are gm he wanted to pitch for the dodgers? we have a gang of young very good players in are minors and will not even talk to sd on jake peavy? and manny we need to offer a 3 year 66 million deal, give him 3 days. then talk to bobby and/or dunn. we had 13 free agents leave. cleared about 70 million we cover some open spots with are minors. we got ausmus cheap. we cleard money with a.jones by paying it over a few years and releast him. jason schimdt comes off the books after this year. i like sheets but think he gets hurt much, andy pettite, garland, wolf. were going to look at benson saturday? he sucks. got to go for now, take my 5 year old to school, and my 7 year old to his psychologist. my wife went to ny about 4 years ago she loved it. i have never been there. i like the pats, and cowboys.

  97. NYY January 22nd, 2009 at 10:30 am

    i was just about to say, the best move is releasing Jones…and you have all this money!!! you guys need to spend some of it!!

  98. Ryan January 22nd, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    kershaw and billingsly are def 2 young guys to build a rotation around. Dodgers always seemed to have good arms out of the farm system. I’d be cautious of torre overworking that BP. I know personally as a fan that as soon as he left more guys got opportunities and no one got over worked or favored. Other than that he’s the man. Get manny and you’ll walk away with that division!

  99. NYY January 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    ryan,
    i totally understand what you mean about getting work…sometimes i feel that is the way joe shows loyalty to his players…

    the problem i had with joe during his last few years is he was getting too conservative and during the wrong times?? he forgot about small ball that brought him success with the yanks

  100. kenneth h. January 22nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    nyy,ryan, wake up ned? are GM wont spend a dime. he is cheaper then my wife’s perfum. (dollar store). we need to starters, he never bid on cc after cc told ned he wanted to be here. joe keeps asking for pithers but ned is playing chess with scott.

  101. Ryan January 22nd, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    kenneth,

    I bet Garland would work out in that stadium. He’s young , on the cheap for ol Ned and was once really good. Lowe seemed to benifit from this, being a fellow sinkerballer. Seems like it could be a similar story. Probably a better bet than any of the other FA’s other than a healthy sheets.

    NYY,

    I think Joe was loyal to a flaw and eventually the team was run by the players. Def a change benifited both the yanks and him. The current Joe has a couple flaws too tho, like repeatedly putting Mo in during non save situations during his funk (I could sware there were about 5 games lost bc of his stubburness.

  102. kenneth h. January 22nd, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    ryan, it looks like were talking to and in the lead on r.wolf. buster also said were still talking to garland and looper. someone else linked us to springer? we have a good 10 bullpen arms now, but i would take him to. maybe old ned is reading are letters/blogs? whatever this is. nyy,ryan here is my playoff picks? dodgers,cubs,mets, reds, al boston, yankees, twins,angels.

  103. kenneth h. January 22nd, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    nyy,ryan, i was looking at the reds team. they look very good on paper. starters, bronson arroyo, aaron harang, micah owings, he can also hit very well, edinson volquez was 17&6 last year. bullpen f.cordero 34 saves,also have a young b.bray 2.87 era, a rhodes the lefty, and d.weathers. there lineup, w.taveras 68 sb. j.hairston jr 6hr/15 sb only 80 games, ramon hernandez catcher 15 hr, j.bruce 21 hr. e.encarnacion 26 hr. b.phillips 21hr/78 rbi,j.votto 24hr 84 rbi. they could use another outfielder, they only have 4. but there very good on paper and young. they could give the cubs a run for there money.


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