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The up-to-date payroll

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 20, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees have 16 players signed for 2009, 17 if you count Brian Bruney.

Here is what they’ll make in terms of salary:

Rodriguez: $32 million
Jeter: $20 million
Teixeira: $20 million (+$5 million signing bonus already paid)
Burnett: $16.5 million
Rivera: $15 million
Sabathia: $14 million (+$9 million signing bonus in 3 installments)
Posada: $13.1 million
Damon: $13 million
Matsui: $13 million
Nady: $6.55 million
Cano: $6 million
Swisher: $5.3 million
Wang: $5 million
Marte: $3.75 million
Molina: $2 million
Cabrera: $1.4 million
Bruney: $1.3 million (splitting the different on the figures submitted)

That comes out to $187.9 million. But it’s really $201.9 million as the signing bonus for Sabathia and Teixeira will be paid out before the end of the 2009 season.

The Yankees will need approximately $4 million more to pay the remaining seven 0-3 service time players who make the team. That makes the payroll $205.9 million.

I’m not including Kei Igawa’s $4 million as he is not on the 40-man roster. But it’s actual money. Plus Andrew Brackman gets $1.13 million this year.

You can calculate payrolls many different ways (25-man rosters, 40-man rosters, etc.) but it boils down to a few things:

1. If the Yankees have spent less than last year, which they are trumpeting, it’s not much less.

2. Does this mean there’s no room for Andy Pettitte absent a trade?

I learned the hard way never to say never when it comes to the Yankee. They’re not afraid to ask for money or to spend it. It doesn’t appear they have any room to sign a significant free agent, but it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if they did. Fiscal restraint is not exactly part of the team charter.

 
 

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170 Responses to “The up-to-date payroll”

  1. Tantron Willoughby January 20th, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    Peter, The folks that make the Steinbrenner’s out as bad guys are just as silly as some of the people in NY state that gripe about the rich Wall Streeters. They like to complain about the wealth, but when the tax spigot is cut, aka job losses (i.e. Wall Streets, and the result is a decrease in tax revenues for the state, all of a sudden they complain. It’s the same with the fans/team owners of MLB that complain of the NYY. Imagine if the NYY revenue sharing was cut off? When will they ever learn?

  2. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Someone just posted a link to a Verducci column saying Andy is considering less than $10 mil to play for Houston.

    If that is fact, I have to wonder whether the Yankees have taken the offer off the table and/or whether the fact that Bush is now out of office and cannot pardon Clemens plays into what Andy chooses to be about next season. Since he is going to be pulled into the Clemens drama, he may feel that doing so in Houston, where the press won’t be all over him the way the NY press would and the fans won’t readily boo him if he has a down season, may be the way to go.

  3. ANSKY January 20th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Igawa … HA!

    Igawa should wish Carl Pavano was still on the team. Why? Because until his contract was up, Pavano was the only bigger wastoid in the organization than Igawa.

  4. Tantron Willoughby January 20th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    P.S., George Steinbrenner, we salute you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. EDUB January 20th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    I read somewhere that those bonuses are actually split through the years of the contract in terms of the Yankees official payroll. So that would make it closer to 193.8 million by my calculation.

    Seems like a minor thing but to me being under 200 million makes me feel a little less guilty :)

  6. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    Or the Yankee offer could be off the table, or could be less than 10 mil if is still on the table. I remember Joel Sherman’s column when Teixeira was signed, saying that the offer to Andy was probably going to be reduced.

  7. Tantron Willoughby January 20th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    Trisha, very good points! It’s best to move on and invite Andy to old timers games in 5 years.

  8. Tantron Willoughby January 20th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    EDUB, Don’t feel guilty about free enterprise. Team salary caps are anti-American. Even the newspaper unions are against them.

  9. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Thanks Tantron!

  10. sunny615 January 20th, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    are the bonuses Melky’s getting for plate appareances considered incentives??

  11. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 20th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    “Fiscal restraint is not exactly part of the team charter.”

    Which explains why they haven’t won under a Republican since Eisenhower :-P

  12. Nick in SF in Napa January 20th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    Let the record show (since it was already two threads ago) that Trisha did a classy thing when it would have been easy to have done nothing or something else. Kudos to you, Trisha.

    Now, where can I trade in my “got melky?” Shirt for one that says “got melk money?”

  13. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    “Now, where can I trade in my “got melky?” Shirt for one that says “got melk money?”

    :lol:

  14. Peter Abraham January 20th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    These two signing bonuses are not over the length of the contract. Tex already got his and CC’s will be paid in full by July.

    Like I said, you can manipulate the math many ways. But the payroll is basically the same as what it was.

  15. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Nick, you are actually the one who taught me that restraint when you told me to chill about something Pete once said when I was all upset about it and you reminded me that it was just an opinion on a blog and so I shouldn’t take it so seriously – or words to that effect.

    And you were right. So I have tried to apply that since. (Sometimes I’m more successful than others, but I think I’ve done pretty well.)

    :)

  16. jennifer January 20th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    But it didn’t go up. :P

  17. EDUB January 20th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    Right. I know they got their money right now I am just talking about what is considered the official payroll for 2009 which I am sure affects taxes etc.

    I know its quibbling but I am sure the Yankees had this in mind when they offered these bonuses

  18. jennifer January 20th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    Well I don’t think they have to pay luxury tax this year because they are building the new stadium.

  19. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 20th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    So..that’s a lot of money..

  20. Joe from Long Island January 20th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    Ken Burns’ Baseball doc is starting. Tonight is the Black Sox Scandal.

  21. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Black Sox scandal on MLB TV right now.

    Nick, I don’t want to make it seem like you were dissing Pete. Obviously you weren’t. But what you were telling me was that I shouldn’t get so heated about an opinion on a blog. Just wanted to set that straight.

  22. Nick in SF in Napa January 20th, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    I need to get out of Napa before all this peace and good will makes me throw up – or start passing out Moose Bars.

  23. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 20th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    The Yankees, it is true, have more on their payroll than some countries’ GDP

  24. sunny615 January 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    The payroll may be the same, but the players on the team got a WHOLE lot better.

    Abreu/Giambi/Pavano/Mussina

    for

    Sabathia/Burnett/Teixiera

  25. lori January 20th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Had the posting fee of Dice-K for the Japanese team been calculated as Bosox’s team salary? We can manipulate the math many ways but we just cannot adding all the expenses into the same basket, we did not paid the luxury tax for the expenses of Girardi’s salary even it is still the team expenditure, right? The signing bonus either.

  26. Ninja Burglar January 20th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    Sunny,

    Throw Swisher in there to make it a 4 for 4, and I agree.

  27. Peter Abraham January 20th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    They in fact have to pay luxury tax. The stadium eliminated some of their revenue sharing payments.

    Any money added at this point comes with a 40-percent penalty.

    I’m not saying it’s wrong, they’re free to spend money however they like. But at this point it’s not true to say the payroll will be substantially less than last season — unless they trade somebody.

  28. Ninja Burglar January 20th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Pete,

    Do you know if bonus money is considered in calculating the luxury tax figure?

  29. Joe January 20th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    I agree. We replaced Giambi & Abreu with Teixeira & Swisher and replaced Pettitte & Mussina with Sabathia & Burnett. Major upgrades to the lineup and rotation.

    Throw in a healthy Posada, Wang, and Matsui and this is a much better team than one that still won 89 games last year.

  30. Garym(Yanks and More) January 20th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Pete is right you can manipulate the math in many ways. The Yankees though shouldn’t have to explain anything, i dont know what the big deal is, they can spend 400 million on payroll if they wanted. They are going to be making 800 million this year so they will still turn a profit, its amazing how much money they churn out.

  31. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 20th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    i heard they are changing the Monopoly game board square between Park Place and Boardwalk to one with a big NY on it.

    But it will cost a lot more than the $75 it is now!

  32. Doreen January 20th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    I finally learned how to differentiate the luxury tax from revenue sharing, at least for me. MLB set a limit for salary spending over which a tax would be paid. Hence, any money spent OVER that amount is considered a LUXURY.

    Revenue sharing has to do with sharing money you have earned. The Yankees get a bit of a break on revenue sharing because of the costs of the new stadium.

    It may be a little fudgy on details, but so far, I’ve been able to keep them straight.

  33. Celerino Sanchez January 20th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    “I’m not saying it’s wrong, they’re free to spend money however they like.”

    Gotcha. But – correct me if I’m wrong – the point is the Yankees are trying to spin it like they have made some big commitment to fiscal responsibility.

  34. sunny615 January 20th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    I’m hoping Nady will be that somebody Pete

  35. Joe January 20th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    Here’s a good question…

    Assuming we want to keep the payroll right where it is, which senario would you rather have going into the season?

    Trade Nady & sign Pettitte: Weakens our bench but gives us depth in the rotation

    or

    Keep Nady and not re-sign Pettitte: Good depth and bench, rely on a lot of kids to pitch a lot of innings in our rotation.

  36. CENTRAL CT YANKEE January 20th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    We had to buy out Giambi for $5 million too….

  37. BBFan January 20th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    Luxury tax is on the averate annual salaries, not on 2009 payroll.

  38. BBFan January 20th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    It is *** average ****

  39. Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    1.4 Mil for Melky!

    To quote the old Italian guy who was going to rent Jerry the villa in Tuscany,

    “molto generoso”

  40. Peter Abraham January 20th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    The Yankees are well over the luxury tax threshold. Way over.

    The only point I’m making is that they can’t really claim any sort of fiscal responsibility, which is what they tried to do at the Tex press conference. The payroll for 2009 is pretty much what the 2008 payroll was, maybe a little less.

    Which is fine, I want to cover a good team and I want to cover playoff games.

  41. ANSKY January 20th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    OK, so the payroll turns out to be pretty much the same as last year.

    Teams were already complaining when we were thinking it was going down by almost $20M. In the end it didn’t go up from last year, actually it could end up less by a smaller amount than we’d thought it would, but some teams will still complain. Skroo ‘em.

    As long as the Yanks get more bang for the buck, it’s an improvement.

  42. Joe from Long Island January 20th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Re: Yankee payroll –

    The Yankees are playing within the rules. It is their money. There is no need for anyone to apologize for anything here.

  43. BJK January 20th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    The notion of getting the payroll down seems pretty silly.

    For 09 and 10, the Yankees have $96 million tied up on 4 players (ARod, CC, Tex, Jeter).

    Not to mention an additional $44.6 on Burnett, Mo, and Posada.

    That would be $140.6 million per year on 7 players. Add Cano at an average of $7.5 for those 2 years brings us to $148.1 for 8 players.

    I’m assuming they’d like to play out 2009 and 2010 with an outfield and three other starters as well. Maybe even throw in a bullpen and a bench.

  44. PAT M. January 20th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    Has anyone done the math as to how much more each game will net in ticket reciepts over last season….I say at least 500 K….That ‘s based on an increase of approx 10.00 per ticket over last season’s duckets….

  45. pat January 20th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    If the Red Sox fanbase believes Henry could afford $170 million for Tex but not $180 million because they can’t compete with the wealthy Yankees, why can’t Yankee fans believe a 50 cent lower payroll which swapped Giambi for Tex is a team that got younger and cheaper in 2009?

  46. Nick in SF January 20th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    I think Giambi’s buyout counts for the 2008 payroll.

  47. Nick in SF January 20th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    I think Giambi’s buyout counts for the 2008 payroll.

  48. PittsburghYankeeFan January 20th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Pete

    I am somewhat surprised that you are not using the method of payroll calculation mandated by the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Since this is the method used to calculate the lux tax, it is the only method that matters. I think the Yankees are thinking only in terms of the lux tax–do they really care about another $5-10 million?

    The salaries are calculated by average annual value (AAV) with the signing bonuses prorated over the life of the contract–it does not matter when the bonus is paid. This is right in the CBA, around page 91-92 (the pdf is available over the internet). Jeter’s AAV in 09 is $18.9 million, ARod’s is $27.5 million, etc. The number when you do this is slightly lower than what you quoted, but not by much. We had a long discussion of this number a few weeks ago at NYYFans.com.

    They get Pettite, trade Nady, and the payroll still comes in around $200-205 million, with about $35-40 million coming off next year. So the Yankees should not get their chops busted right now, especially when Pettite does make baseball sense to sign.

    If the payroll is north of $180-190 million next year in 2010, abuse them all you want.

  49. Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    Hey I see close to 35 mil coming off next years payroll.

    Paging Dr. Pavlov… Paging Dr. Pavlov. Your dogs are currently salivating.

  50. BJK January 20th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    The notion of getting the payroll down seems pretty silly.

    For 09 and 10, the Yankees have $96 million tied up on 4 players (ARod, CC, Tex, Jeter)

    Not to mention an additional $44.6 on Burnett, Mo, and Posada.

    That would be $140.6 million per year on 7 players. Add Cano at an average of $7.5 for those 2 years brings us to $148.1 for 8 players.

    I’m assuming they’d like to play out 2009 and 2010 with an outfield and three other starters as well. Maybe even throw in a bullpen and a bench.

  51. Yankee Trader January 20th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    To clarify, luxury tax this year is 40% for payroll over 162 million.

    There will be a reduction on revenue sharing, because of the costs of the new stadium.

  52. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Doris Goodwin a Dodgers fan. Who knew!

    Well okay, I didn’t know.

    :D

  53. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    I also didn’t know that Casey Stengel planned to be a dentist and was enrolled in dental college. Wow.

  54. Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    So luxury tax will be 17-20 million this year?

    Chump change!

  55. Yankee Trader January 20th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    Luxury tax for 2008 and 2009

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3788527

  56. Peter Abraham January 20th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    As I said, there are many ways to figure the payroll. No one way is right or wrong. My main point is that the payroll for 2009 is not going to be all that different than it was for 2008 when it’s all said and done. Team officials were talking at the last press conference as though it was.

    And thats fine. They can spend whatever they want to spend. I’ve said they should sign Pettitte and I hope they sign Manny, it would be a hoot to write about. The more the merrier.

  57. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Stengel’s. problems with being a dentist was two-fold. First of all, he was left handed and all instruments were made for right handers, and number 2, he was going to dental school by mail.

  58. CENTRAL CT YANKEE January 20th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Is it me or are the Yankees Really slow on the ticket relocation process or they are slow because ticket sales aren’t going the way they hoped?

  59. Bronx Jeers January 20th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    Can they just re-name the luxury tax the “Yankee Tax” because the word luxury is just insulting to my sensibilities.

    I mean is having a 50 mil $ left side of the infield really “luxurious”? To me it’s just the Yankee way, hence the phrase – Yankee Tax.

  60. Yankee Trader January 20th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    Peter-
    “And thats fine. They can spend whatever they want to spend. I’ve said they should sign Pettitte and I hope they sign Manny, it would be a hoot to write about. The more the merrier.”

    What would there be to write about Pettitte-how he turned on his ex-best friend and waved goodby as he was led off to jail for perjury? Is ex-best friend an oxymoron??

    As for Manny, can you actually get him to talk after a game?Didn’t like the media following him around in Boston, so suspect Manny in NY would decompensate and would be Boston Manny instead of LA Manny!

  61. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    One of the great American writers of US historical novels….Shelby Foote. Great books on “The War Of Northern Aggression”.

  62. Joe from Long Island January 20th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Grover Cleveland Alexander – one of the greatest pitchers who ever played. His pitching in the 1926 World Series was an incredible story.

    Also a pretty good movie about his life, though a bit romanticized, starring Ronald Reagan and Doris Day.

  63. Celerino Sanchez January 20th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    “What would there be to write about Pettitte-how he turned on his ex-best friend”

    How about how Pettitte (eventually) told the truth while his ex-best friend continued to lie out of his injected buttocks?

  64. Joe from Long Island January 20th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    “The War of Northern Aggression” – GB7, you wouldn’t be expressing some personal sentiment, there, are you? (I’m grinning.)

  65. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Joe from Long Island
    January 20th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
    Grover Cleveland Alexander – one of the greatest pitchers who ever played. His pitching in the 1926 World Series was an incredible story.

    Also a pretty good movie about his life, though a bit romanticized, starring Ronald Reagan and Doris Day.

    ————————————————————

    “The Winning Team”. Doris Day had a better throwing ar than Ronald Reagan.

  66. Todd January 20th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Do players get paid for playing in the WBC??? My guess is no, but I’m not sure.

  67. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Doris Day had a better throwing ***arm*** than Ronald Reagan.

  68. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Joe from Long Island
    January 20th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
    “The War of Northern Aggression” – GB7, you wouldn’t be expressing some personal sentiment, there, are you? (I’m grinning.)

    ————————————————————

    LMAO. No, actually, I ws born and raised in Michigan. My ex-wife is from here and so are my kids and granddaughters, but, I’ve heard this for 30 something yeas. Always thought itwas funny. Their version of history is quite similar to Boston fans version of baseball history. My ex has told me of their views of Abe Lincoln….funny stuff.

  69. Nick in SF in Napa January 20th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Hey, we root for the Yankees, not the Confederates!

  70. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    “As a dentist this former athlete at Central high school in Kansas City quite possibly might have won some distinction for being able to talk his patients out of their teeth with his own brand of conversational anesthetic. *A dentist here who still practices his profession recalls that as a student at the Western Dental college here, his chair was alongside that of Stengel and it was quite common for the students to gather around him as he brought them up to date on his extracurricular work on the baseball diamond.*”

    http://www.kansascity.com/850/story/849717.html

    Sounds like the old Case was in school rather than taking courses through the mail.

    “How about how Pettitte (eventually) told the truth while his ex-best friend continued to lie out of his injected buttocks?”

    I actually prefer that version of events. I’ve never understood people calling Pettitte a “rat” for (eventually) telling the truth. Would it have been better if he lied to Congress? Or refused to testify? He was called by the Congressional committee to testify.

  71. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    This is incredible stuff. Some of it really tugs at the heart strings. (Ken Burns’ documentary)

  72. Buddy Biancalana January 20th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    I once dated a girl who was related to Casey Stengel. That should be a nice segue for Nick to garner a couple laughs.

  73. Nick in SF January 20th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Buddy, I just drove through the teeth of I-80 traffic (ok, it wasn’t so bad tonight) and over the bridge and deep into the heart of the city. I got nothing.

  74. Buddy Biancalana January 20th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Okay, cue in Miss m!

  75. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Next week’s episode introduces the Babe. That is a “must not miss!” for all Yankee fans.

  76. dave January 20th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Hey guys! Im back.

    SJ,

    Did you see melky’s so called performance bonuses? Are those not incentives based on performance? Those are the type of bonuses i thought the yanks might work into a deal with pettitte.

  77. Phil January 20th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    They’re gonna make a trade or two. Who knows about Pettitte, though? Only the Yanks really know if they’re really below or not.

  78. dave January 20th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    I dunno if this was discussed already and Im sure it was but how in the world does melky deserve almost a million dollar raise after putting in a performance that was worthy of being demoted to triple A and not even really called up in september the yanks thought so little of him. Pete said,” I wonder if the Yankees burst out laughing when he asked for a $1.23 million raise.”

    Apparently it was not all that funny because 461,000 to 1,400,000 is about a million dollar raise. Add on the 100,000 in “performance bonuses” and guess what? That is about a 1.1 million dollar raise. So instead of bursting out laughing – the yanks basically gave melky his asking price. I dont know a lot about the arbitration process in this regard but it seems to me that after a player goes from starting center fielder in the majors to starting center fielder in triple A, he does not deserve a million dollar raise. Imagine having the worst year of your own career and than asking your boss to triple your salary – now that would be a burst out laughing scenario but baseball plays by different, very strange rules. Horrendous year = only a million dollar raise and basically Melky’s asking price. Someone has to explain this to me …

  79. dave January 20th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    Buddy,
    I dont know if you were joking in that thread this afternoon but that was me … I guess i changed up my writing style for the occasion or something – i did not realize it was all that different but i was in a weird mood – so maybe that was why my writing looked different or maybe you were joking. You will have to let me know when you get a chance.

  80. Phil January 20th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    the arbitration system seems to favor players at this point, so teams are paying or not offering to avoid it.

  81. Nick in SF January 20th, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    dave, your 10:10 post was only 5 lines; that’s change I can believe in!

    *It’s already working!!*

  82. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    I’m sure we can only guess for you Dave since the ones who know the whyfores are the Yankees. Trying to be logical about it, I am guessing that the Yankees feel that Melky has what it takes to be more the 2007 version than the 2008 version. Don’t forget that the Yankees have watched everything Melky has done since he was sent down. Another possibility is that Melky might have been offered 3 mil if he had really produced. So maybe the Yankees are paying him for what they believe he is capable of doing rather than on what happened in 2008. These are all guesses.

  83. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    That info on Stengel came from his biography. Regardless, he wasn’t cut out to be a dentist. As he said, he had baseball knuckle.

    One of my favorite Stengel quotes:

    “Being with a woman all night never hurt no professional baseball player. It’s staying up all night looking for a woman that does him in.”

  84. dave January 20th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    Nick,

    My 10 06 post was 14.5 lines but thas not too bad right? If you guys are really getting sick and tired of reading long posts – i will try to change because i enjoy posting here and I dont want ppl angry with me merely because of the size of my posts. I dont know if i can stop repeating myself here because there is NOT all that much to talk about in the off season especially now but i will try to make my posts smaller for you guys. And eventually i was start a blog but I want ED to guarantee me that he will come visit if i do because he is such a big proponent of me getting it started.

  85. Betsy January 20th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    The Black Sox scandal episode (watched on my DVD last week) was incredible – maybe my favorite. It’s a truly sad episode – and just emphasizes why modern clubhouses have signs forbidding gambling. Baseball got lucky when Ruth came into his own – he saved the game.

    The Babe-oriented episode is terrific and so is Shadow Ball, about the Negro Leagues. I learned so much about the latter – and hearing from these guys is incredible – they are a true treasure.

  86. Celerino Sanchez January 20th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    “So instead of bursting out laughing – the yanks basically gave melky his asking price.”

    It’s either settle or go to arbitration with Melky. They can’t not offer him arb., he is not eligible for free agency yet. so they were gonna have to pay him for this year regardless.

  87. Scooter10 January 20th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Your numbers are spot in.

    With one exception. I have Arod at $33m this year. Cot’s site states that when Arod signed his latest contact, he received a $10M signing bonus ($2M paid upon approval, $1M paid each Jan. 15, 2009-2013, $3M paid Jan. 15, 2014.

    Overall, slightly below last year’s payroll with significant improvement in talent, flexibilty and age.

  88. Nick in SF January 20th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    dave, I make fun of your very long posts because I find the length and repitition silly, but I’m not at all offended by them, so by all means, post away. I have no problem skimming or skipping over them or sometimes reading them. You’re obviously a passionate Yankees fan, which is not a bad thing to be.

  89. dave January 20th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Thanks trisha. I love how the yanks always have to pay a lot for players – if the player is old but used to be great – they pay them for what they did. if they won the mvp last year – they pay them for that year and if they stink but have the potential to be great – they pay them for what they can do. Ohh to be a yankee.

    Pete or anyone else who can answer this,

    Do the signing bonuses really count towards the total payroll? Like when all the teams are listed with a payroll tally? Or are those usually excluded when tallying a total payroll for each team – i would not think they would count even though it is obviously money the yankees spent if it is not visible to all the other teams it does not seem to count as much. Basically I am asking if the signing bonuses are similar to Kei Igawa’s posting fee – that was money the yankees spent but that certainly did not appear as money the yanks spent on team payroll that year.

  90. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 20th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    Buddy Biancalana January 20th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    “I once dated a girl who was related to Casey Stengel.”

    - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - –

    Yeah but I hear GB did u one better. He dated Stengel’s older sister.

  91. Celerino Sanchez January 20th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    “Overall, slightly below last year’s payroll with significant improvement in talent, flexibilty and age.”

    For now. If they reconcile with Pettitte, even at 8 mil, and still need 6 guys to fill out the roster, they will be over last year’s mark.

  92. Buddy Biancalana January 20th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    dave-

    The other dave was spelled Dave in his handle. I am confused, as I keep hearing “dave” in my head a la 2010 A Space Odyssey, really disturbing.

  93. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    Betsy – what an absolutely amazing history there is to our treasured past time: a rich and complex tapestry interwoven with many intricate and sometimes very delicate threads.

    Ken Burns has pulled me in and my very soul is now held hostage. My love is about so much more than the Yankees, though the Yankees will always be the focal point of course.

  94. Buddy Biancalana January 20th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Brad Pitt’s better-looking brother January 20th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    Buddy Biancalana January 20th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    “I once dated a girl who was related to Casey Stengel.”

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – -

    Yeah but I hear GB did u one better. He dated Stengel’s older sister.

    ————————————————————-

    Now that’s worth a lol.

  95. Celerino Sanchez January 20th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    “Do the signing bonuses really count towards the total payroll?”

    They do at least for calculating luxury tax. Otherwise they would give Sabathia a 150 million signing bonus and pay him 2 million a year.

  96. dave January 20th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Nick,

    I appreciate it but i would like to make them a bit shorter because I dont want every one skipping over something that I put time and effort into. What is the point of writing all that much if no one is going to read it? So i would rather try to cut them down a bit and make sure ppl at least skim them as you said. But when i get very into a conversation, i tend to ignore the length and just continue to write.

    The reason I always repeat is because ppl tend to ask me the same questions I have already said in previous posts or put words in my mouth that I never said so I have to once again clarify a previous statement- so i try to address them to a single person but i know everyone reads posts regardless of whether or not they are addressed to specific people but i cant help repeating myself when some are constantly arguing with me over the same point. And plenty of ppl – i mean over half the bloggers here repeat themselves daily or even hourly. I read the comment that sheets should not be considered because there is no interest in him over a thousand times and had to continually write a response which was often the same.

  97. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    Brad Pitt’s better-looking brother
    January 20th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
    Buddy Biancalana January 20th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    “I once dated a girl who was related to Casey Stengel.”

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    Yeah but I hear GB did u one better. He dated Stengel’s older sister.

    ————————————————————

    That’s a blatant lie. It wasn’t a date. We only went out for a coke because she had a new Stanley Steamer and I had never ridden in an automobile before.

  98. Wave Your Hat January 20th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    dave-

    The style is to break up your paragraphs and put a space between your sentences.

    Like this.

    See how much more reasonable it looks? Plus, people don’t have to wade through long paragraphs.

    Now watch:

    “the arbitration system seems to favor players at this point, so teams are paying or not offering to avoid it.”

    This is a common fan misconception. Actually, teams win arbitration cases much more often than players do, and over time the rate of success by teams has increased.

    For instance, through 1996, players won about 45% of all arbitration cases.

    From 1997 to 2003, the players rate of success dropped to about 37%.

    So in fact, teams really have the advantage in arbitration. As a result, the number of cases which go to arbitration have steadily declined.

    PS:

    Signing bonuses are pro-rated over the life of the contract for revenue sharing purposes.

  99. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 20th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    revisionist history, GB

    lol

  100. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 20th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Please don’t mention revisionist history.

    It makes me want to go out and do horrible things to helpless creatures.

  101. dave January 20th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Buddy,

    The handle was spelled differently? Thats weird because it was me and i did not change mine. It was me though. VERY ODD. And hearing dave over and over in your head is also a little strange but im sure it will go away soon. Come see me in three years if you still have it and i will check it out for you free of charge – even give you a script if need be.

  102. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Brad Pitt’s better-looking brother
    January 20th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
    revisionist history, GB

    lol

    ————————————————————

    Hey, I took tap dancing lessons from Bill “Bojangles” Robinson.

  103. Nick in SF January 20th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    Rebecca: that’s how I feel when people mention phony Yankee curses.

  104. duh January 20th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    “Apparently it was not all that funny because 461,000 to 1,400,000 is about a million dollar raise. Add on the 100,000 in “performance bonuses” and guess what? That is about a 1.1 million dollar raise. So instead of bursting out laughing – the yanks basically gave melky his asking price.”

    the yankees had two choices: give Melky a large raise, or non-tender him.

    those are the only 2 choices. there is NO OPTION where the Yankees only give Melky a very small raise.

    that’s not the way arbitration works. the arbiter can only select Melky’s number or the Yankee’s number.

    if Melky submits $1.7M and the Yankees submit $800K, the Yankees are going to LOSE. the arbitration process just isn’t that sophisticated.

    Melky’s side is going to argue that Melky has been the starting CFer for much of the last 3 season. then, his agent is going to point to other players with similar numbers and similar service time.

    players like Endy Chavez or Willy Taveres. the arbiter will see that players in that category have earned $1.8M-$2M in their first year of arbitration.

    so the trick for the Yankees is to offer the least they can, but not low enough to risk losing the case.

    they offered $1.1M, but by offering $1.1M there was a chance that Melky wins the hearing. so they compromised.

    you can shout all you want about how Melky stinks or how Melky doesn’t “deserve” such a big raise, but that’s just not how it works.

    as for the “performance bonuses”, they are a complete non-issue. if Melky actually gets 500 PA’s, it will mean that he has played well enough to earn it. and if he does, who cares about the extra $100K?

    believe it or not, the Yankees actually know what they are doing.

  105. dave January 20th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    Sanchez,

    Very good point but i was more wondering if it counted in official total payroll. Like when the yanks payroll was 209 million last year, would a figure like that include signing bonuses? Because it certainly does NOT include posting fees.

  106. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Wathing the ’44 Series hee. It’s too bad that the Yankees ended up having the wrong Hal Lanier playing for them instead of the old man.

  107. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    ***Watching*** the ‘44 Series ***here***

  108. Betsy January 20th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Trish, I think you are a baseball romantic like me. I’m in love with baseball as a sport, period. I’m a history buff as well, so I am completely in my element when I’m watching a program on baseball history. I got tears in my eyes when they did the segement on Christy Mathewson’s death – how’s that? Of course, he’s my favorite old-time ballplayer, but still…. I got tears in my eyes when I saw how the Yankees just dropped Ruth like a hot potato and wouldn’t give him a chance to manage. I got tears in my eyes when Clair Ruth was quoted as saying that her husband spent the rest of his life waiting for a call from the Yankees to manage. Gehrig’s speech? Forget about it……..

  109. Wave Your Hat January 20th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    Signing bonuses are prorated over the length of the contract for revenue sharing purposes.

    So a $6MM signing bonus on a three year deal would be counted by MLB as if only $2MM were paid in the first year.

  110. Celerino Sanchez January 20th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    “Very good point but i was more wondering if it counted in official total payroll. Like when the yanks payroll was 209 million last year, would a figure like that include signing bonuses? Because it certainly does NOT include posting fees.”

    Dunno for sure but according to Pete’s post that we are commenting under, it looks like they count for that season the contract is signed. he knows the answer for sure.

    My question is, what about the buyouts they paid Pavano and Giambi? doest hat count on ’08, ’09 or not at all?

    someone else mentioned Dice-K posting fee – that would be a good way to end the wild bidding for Japanese players – count it some way on payroll tax. (it might have prevented Igawa!). Unless I am wrong and ot counts in some way?

  111. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 20th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Yeah, our Hal carried a pretty thin stick.
    Another fairly forgettable name from the Hoss Clarke era.

  112. Celerino Sanchez January 20th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    “Signing bonuses are prorated over the length of the contract for revenue sharing purposes.”

    Ok, thanks. But for payroll/luxury tax it is all at once?

  113. dave January 20th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    duh,

    The reason i mentioned performance bonuses is because earlier sj said the yanks did not offer incentives. Are incentives not like or the same as performance bonuses? If so, couldnt the yanks bring that to the table with pettitte rather than standing at 10 mil?

    I did not realize if the case goes to a hearing, that the decision could only result in melky’s asking price or the yankees – i thought there was some compromise involved that met in the middle or lower or higher based on his performance last year. I know they never go lower than the previous salary but i did not know it was only one of two decisions. i was not shouting that melky stinks – i did not even discuss his performance last year except to say the yanks demoted him to triple A and then, brought him up for practically no playing time during september call ups which is really a telling sign of how little the yanks thought of him and how much he could contribute to the major league club.

    And i found it funny that after what any one would consider a miserable season, two steps in the wrong direction that melky would triple his salary. its only a million dollars which is practically nothing to the yanks so I dont really care all that much. iTS NOT like it will impact the yanks spending in anyway. I just wanted an explanation as to why. Thanks for the explanation – i appreciate it. It makes much more sense now.

  114. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    Ruth didn’t know that much about strategy. He threw the ball and hit the ball. He couldn’t manage himself, so no way he could manage others. It’s the same reason Mantle never managed.

  115. duh January 20th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    “My question is, what about the buyouts they paid Pavano and Giambi? doest hat count on ‘08, ‘09 or not at all?”

    ’09

    “Unless I am wrong and ot counts in some way?”

    it doesn’t count.

  116. Celerino Sanchez January 20th, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    “I got tears in my eyes when I saw how the Yankees just dropped Ruth like a hot potato and wouldn’t give him a chance to manage.”

    Kind of puts into perspective the awkward/not so pretty departures of Bernie and some others, and maybe Pettitte this year. if they can do it to Ruth, it can happen to anybody!

  117. Wave Your Hat January 20th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    Actually, baseball’s arbitration process is quite sophisticated.

    Many people believe that “baseball arbitration” as it is generally referred to, where the arbitrator must pick one side’s number or the other side’s, is the best way to keep the participants from gaming the system.

    And by the way, players lose arbitration cases much more frequently than they win them, and the rate at which they lose has accelerated over time.

    That’s one reason the number of cases filed has declined over time.

  118. Celerino Sanchez January 20th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    “My question is, what about the buyouts they paid Pavano and Giambi? doest hat count on ‘08, ‘09 or not at all?”

    ‘09

    “Unless I am wrong and ot counts in some way?”

    it doesn’t count.

    So does it count for ’09 or not at all?

  119. dave January 20th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    I also found it funny that pete thought the yanks would laugh in melky’s face for asking for over a million dollar raise in the late afternoon and meanwhile, Melky pretty much got his asking price from the yanks a couple of hours after pete’s post so it was not that funny after all for the yanks but i thought it was pretty funny how those two posts came one right after the other.

  120. duh January 20th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    “i was not shouting that melky stinks ”

    sorry, i did not mean to imply that you did. i was speaking of the collective “you”.

  121. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    Brad Pitt’s better-looking brother
    January 20th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
    Yeah, our Hal carried a pretty thin stick.
    Another fairly forgettable name from the Hoss Clarke era.

    ————————————————————

    Man, there were a ton of those…Dooley Womack, Rusty Torres, Charlie Spikes, Frank Tepedino, Bernie Allen and the legendary Ron Swoboda.

  122. Phil January 20th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    the buyouts count as `08. Remember? That’s when all that free agency stuff was starting up–

  123. duh January 20th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    “So does it count for ‘09 or not at all?”

    not at all.

    posting fees are not subject to the luxury tax.

  124. Pete January 20th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Does anyone know if the projections for revenue from the new stadium this year include luxury seats (ie the ones that cost $2500 a game) already being sold? I am just curious if banks/corporations are already on the hook for these seats and the boxes?

    If not I can’t see too many parties that could afford or are willing to pay that much per game.

  125. Betsy January 20th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Celerino, that’s so true. Baseball is a business today and it was a business back then…….

  126. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    Speaking of Frank Tepedino, a retired NY fireman:

    His uncles Frank A. Tepedino and John Tepedino were minor league infielders.

    Since leaving baseball, Frank Tepedino has served on the New York City Fire Department along with several members of his family. He was present at Ground Zero, at the World Trade Center, on September 11, 2001, but survived the ordeal.

  127. JorgeSays January 20th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    Wow, that’s a pretty damn good roster they got…

    gonna be tough to beat.

  128. Celerino Sanchez January 20th, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    “So does it count for ‘09 or not at all?”

    not at all.

    posting fees are not subject to the luxury tax.

    Thanks Duh … I was referring to two separate things but looking at my post I phrased it in a confusing matter.

  129. duh January 20th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    ” i thought it was pretty funny how those two posts came one right after the other.”

    that’s because Pete, while a great reporter with an informative blog, doesn’t fully understand the arbitration process and how everything works.

    it’s the same reason he keeps harping on the fact that they took Wang to arbitration.

    not a big deal, but if you look around at comparable players, you’d know there was really nothing that odd about either situation.

  130. pat January 20th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    If the payroll calculators are looking to pinch pennies, don’t forget the Yanks have $1 Million due them from Japan for Rasner.

  131. Wave Your Hat January 20th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    dave,

    With respect to your performance bonus issue:

    Don’t take people seriously when they say the Yanks “never” do this or that. They never do, until they do. And frequently people are wrong anyway.

    For instance, ARod can achieve a total of $30MM based on achieving certain milestones. Is that a performance bonus? Most of us would think so.

    And based on Pete’s previous post, Melky will get some too. Again, they never do, until they do.

    So, maybe there’s hope for your Ben Sheets campaign (although, personally, I don’t think so).

  132. Nick in SF January 20th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    To repeat: Giambi’s buyout counts as part of the 2008 payroll. If he wanted too, he could have waited until 2009 to cash the check and then pretend he doubled his 2009 salary.

  133. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    And Betsy, how’s this? I got tears in my eyes just reading what you posted! So many thing cause my heart to hurt because what is forgotten so much of the time is that these weren’t robots or machines (and still aren’t) but flesh and blood human beings with the same range of emotions that we all have. I got tears in my eyes when they talked about Addie Joss pitching with meningitis and never telling his teammates and dying at the age of 31. I got tears in my eyes when they talked about Grover Cleveland Alexander being hit in the head and being knocked out for two days, how he pitched through double vision and ended up with seizures the rest of his life. How three major leaguers were killed during World War I. How the reserve clause was used to the detriment of players.

    Gehrig’s speech? I cannot listen to it.

  134. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 20th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Steve Whitaker, Jerry Kenney, Thad Tillotson, Alan Closter, Ron Klimkowski, Charlie Smith, and on and on…
    Those names don’t quite stir the ghosts of past like Ruth, Gehrig, or DiMaggio – but as an impressionable 9 year old Yankee fan they were who I dreamed about. (“well not dreamed about exactly, more like thought about sometimes; no, – not that, who I had nightmares about maybe…”) – said like Hank Kimball on Green Acres.

  135. Phil January 20th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    remember Ron Klemkowski from back in the day?

  136. Corey M. January 20th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I feel like the Yankees arent counting the bonuses for Tex and CC as part of their salary payroll. ESPN.com had the 2008 Yankee salary at $207.1M. So we’ll see how they list the 2009 salary

  137. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    “I got tears in my eyes when Clair Ruth was quoted as saying that her husband spent the rest of his life waiting for a call from the Yankees to manage.”

    :(

  138. Wave Your Hat January 20th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    (I’m having trouble posting comments tonight, so if they show up twice, I apologize in advance)

    dave,

    With respect to your performance bonus issue:

    Don’t take people seriously when they say the Yanks “never” do this or that. They never do, until they do. And frequently people are wrong anyway.

    For instance, ARod can achieve a total of $30MM based on achieving certain milestones. Is that a performance bonus? Most of us would think so.

    And based on Pete’s previous post, Melky will get some too. Again, they never do, until they do.

    So, maybe there’s hope for your Ben Sheets campaign (although, personally, I don’t think so).

  139. Stephen January 20th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    So, you thought the ESPN Sunday Night Baseball team of Jon Miller and Joe Morgan couldn’t get any worse?

    Neil Best has news for you!

    ESPN will announce Wednesday that Steve Phillips will join Jon Miller and Joe Morgan in the “Sunday Night Baseball” booth for 2009, altering for the network’s announcing lineup for its showcase event for the first time in 20 seasons of televising MLB.

    http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/

  140. Wave Your Hat January 20th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    I believe buyouts count toward revenue sharing.

    Posting fees are different. The only ones I am aware of are those paid for Japanese players, as occurred with Dice-K. They do not count, but they are quite rare.

  141. Wave Your Hat January 20th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    Excuse me, buyouts count toward the luxury tax, not revenue sharing.

  142. Nick in SF January 20th, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    Not revenue sharing, payroll. Payroll —> luxury tax.

  143. Wave Your Hat January 20th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    Nick, I corrected myself before you did!

  144. dave January 20th, 2009 at 11:17 pm

    I really would not mind if pettitte went to the astros because they offered him more money. I would accept it because despite the fact that pettitte said money was irrelevant to him at this point and he just wanted to play in the new stadium and stay with the yanks, I am sure we all knew better. After all, every player is all about the money these days and while i DONT appreciate that he was not honest with the fans when he said he just wanted to stay with NY, I understand his mindset.

    However, these reports that he may take less than 10 million for the astros are really unnerving. Leaving the yanks now to play in houston for more money would be understandable. Leaving the yanks to play for houston for less money would be a complete slap in the face No?

    Now, i have NO IDEA if these rumors are true and they may very well be blatantly false but just reading the news is disturbing. Why in the world would he ever do that? It doesnt even make any sense … He goes from all he cares about is playing in ny to i just want more money to i will actually leave NY to play elsewhere for less money because they disrespected me. I find it highly unlikely yet, very disturbing nonetheless.

  145. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    Brad Pitt’s better-looking brother
    January 20th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
    Steve Whitaker, Jerry Kenney, Thad Tillotson, Alan Closter, Ron Klimkowski, Charlie Smith, and on and on…
    Those names don’t quite stir the ghosts of past like Ruth, Gehrig, or DiMaggio – but as an impressionable 9 year old Yankee fan they were who I dreamed about. (“well not dreamed about exactly, more like thought about sometimes; no, – not that, who I had nightmares about maybe…”) – said like Hank Kimball on Green Acres.

    ————————————————————

    Good God, you can make up some really ugly rosters from those days.

    One last thing about Frank Tepedino…he was on the bench when Mantle hit his 500th homer and played in the game that Hank Aaron hit 715. He always seemed to be in the right place in history.

  146. Nick in SF January 20th, 2009 at 11:21 pm

    Wave, it does look, to the untutored eye, as if you corrected yourself before I corrected you. However, the site is loading slowly for me right now. I think time itself is bending in odd ways, no doubt in honor of the return of Lost in less than 24 hours.

  147. Wave Your Hat January 20th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Andy lives in Houston, and Andy is a rich man.

    If he decides to pitch in Houston for less money, he will be with his family. He can afford it and it may be worth it to him to be with his wife and kids. I don’t think you should think less of somebody for that.

    Personally, I think this is all part of the back and forth. I would take any reports you read with a rather large grain of salt.

  148. Betsy January 20th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Oh boy, another reason not to watch ESPN. Do they even exist anymore? Not for me, not since the MLB network started airing programs. Phillips, Morgan, Miller – what a great team. Only Phillips, Kruk and Ravech on Baseball Tonight can match it for pure idiocy.

    Trish, wasn’t that tragic about Addie Joss? I noticed that most of these old-time players didn’t live very long, most of them only into their 50′s (if that). I guess it’s not surprising – they lived hard lives, especially prior to playing in the majors.

  149. Wave Your Hat January 20th, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    The site does seem to be loading slowly. In fact, some of my comments seem to have been lost in cyberspace. They were probably some of the truest and most perceptive comments I ever made on this blog, too.

  150. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 20th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    I got to see Frank here at Syracuse (Chiefs were the yanks farm team in the mid to late 60′s and early 70′s) for a couple years, as well as the other young “stalwarts” on their way up for a cup of coffee in the bigs.
    Actually got to see Guidry and Munson several times before they were brought up and became “Louisianna Lightning” and “Cap’n.” They were something.
    Too many great stories about various players to mention here.
    Maybe on a slow day…

  151. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    dave, we discussed the Pettite thing a little bit earlier. Again, we can’t be sure of what is happening behind the scenes but I did mention the possibility of the Clemens debacle playing into Pettitte’s decision. Now that Bush is out of office and there is no chance Clemens will receive a pardon, Andy is confronted with the reality of having to testify before the grand jury as well as testify if and when the defamation case against MacNamee makes it into court. It is possible that Andy has decided that with that kind of backdrop he is much better off somewhere like Houston, where there is still a good ole boy faction believing in Roger. He definitely would not be harangued by the press the way he would be in NY. Houston crowds are also a lot more forgiving. So if Andy has a down season, he will likely get less hassle from the crowd there.

    Then there is always the possibility that the Yankees have downgraded their offer or even removed it from the table altogether. We really have no idea what has happened behind the scenes.

  152. trisha - New York Yankees - 2009 World Series Champions January 20th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    Betsy, and they were treated so poorly by their owners. And how about the player who was fired when one of his friends mentioned that he was part black? How absolutely heart breaking that they were treated that way as a matter of course in this country. Some of the most incredible players in the history of the game were kept from the mainstream because of the color of their skin. How about having to eat in separate restaurants and live in different hotels? Lousy racist pigs.

  153. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 20th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    though the way this site is loading i suppose this now qualifies as a “slow day.”

  154. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 20th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    Is Dave reverting back to his old ways and overloading the servers again?

  155. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 20th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    Well, I’m glad I bought the secret access code for this site and became the only poster who can get in.
    Now if I only had something – anything – intelligent to say…

  156. GreenBeret7 January 20th, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    Brad Pitt’s better-looking brother
    January 20th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
    I got to see Frank here at Syracuse (Chiefs were the yanks farm team in the mid to late 60’s and early 70’s) for a couple years, as well as the other young “stalwarts” on their way up for a cup of coffee in the bigs.
    Actually got to see Guidry and Munson several times before they were brought up and became “Louisianna Lightning” and “Cap’n.” They were something.
    Too many great stories about various players to mention here.
    Maybe on a slow day…

    ————————————————————

    I don’t remember when he first cam up, but, I do remember that he played in the first game I saw after coming back from Vietnam. I thought he was going to be good, but, he never seemed to get a chance. The other one was Frank Fernandez, who had a ton of power, but, man, could he strike out….a lot, and couldn’t hit for any average.

    One good thing about Tepedino being traded to Atlanta…NYY got Pat Dobson back.

  157. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 20th, 2009 at 11:47 pm

    Since I know we have a few Sox fans that lurk here:

    Ortiz says his wrist is feeling better

    http://www.elnuevodia.com/diar.....tiz/520808

    David Ortiz se presentó el pasado lunes al primer día de entrenamientos de la República Dominicana con miras al Clásico Mundial de béisbol y manifestó que quiere demostrar que está totalmente recuperado de la lesión de la mano que lo sacó de juego por dos meses la temporada pasada.

    *David Ortiz arrived last Monday, the first day of training for the Dominican Republic Team for the World Baseball Classic (open to watchers?) and said that he wanted to show that he is totally recovered from his injury to his hand that took him out of the game for two months last season*

    “La mano se siente bien, la inflamación se ha ido y el doctor vio que todo estaba bien”, dijo Ortiz a The Associated Press en un receso de las prácticas en el complejo de la Fundación Rawlings, en Boca Chica, a unos 45 kilómetros al este de la capital dominicana.

    * “The hand feels well, the inflammation has passed and the doctor saw that all was well”, said Ortiz to the Associated Press in a break in practice in the complex of the Rawlings Foundation, in Boca Chica (literally, Mouth of the Girl), some 45 km to the east of the Dominican capital. *

    El bateador designado de los Medias Rojas de Boston dijo que fue examinado recientemente por su médico personal y recibió informaciones positivas.

    * The designated hitter for the Boston Red Sox said that he was recently examined by their medical personal and recieved positive information.*

    Ortiz, de 33 años, perdió 53 partidos la temporada pasada debido a una lesión en la muñeca. Su participación ha sido puesta en dudas debido a una reglamentación del torneo relacionada con peloteros que tuvieron problemas físicos la temporada previa.

    *Ortiz, 33 years old, lost 53 games last season owing to an injury in the wrist. His participation had been in doubt due to a rule of the tournament relating to players who had physical problems in the past season(s)*

    “Cuando uno pasa tiempo en la DL (lista de lesionados), el país tiene que conseguir un permiso por los asuntos del seguro (de salud para el contrato de las mayores), pero eso se va a arreglar”.

    * “When someone spends time on the DL (list of injuries), the country (team) has to obtain permission from insurance (for health, as per the contract of the Major Leagues), but this is going to be fixed.” *

    (what? Stop looking at me like that…)

  158. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 20th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    And I remember Frank Fernandez hitting the first Yankee homer of the season on opening day probably in 1967 or so. It pretty much went downhill from there.

    Yeah, Tepedino was a good LH bat. They loved him here.

  159. Betsy January 20th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    Trish, I never knew much about the reserve clause, but it was detestable. The Black Sox scandal happened mostly because Comiskey was a cheap you know what. The idea that players should be under a lifetime contract in essence is unbearable to me. It’s why I don’t like the owners and why I have no problem with players making the $$ that they do. Hey, it’s a free market system. I’d like to know more about how Curt Flood challenged the system. Who, in the end, made the decision stating that the reserve clause was illegal? Was it the Supreme Court? I wouldn’t think so – especially after they long ago confirmed Baseball’s ability to rule itself.

  160. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 20th, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    Betsy

    http://www.athomeplate.com/flood.shtml

  161. james January 20th, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    Pete:

    It doesn’t matter when the bonuses were paid out. They are pro-rated over the duration of the contract. There aren’t many ways to do it. That’s how it’s done. Period.

    On the whole though, I totally agree with your overall point, that if the Yankees in fact spend less than last year, it’s negligible.

  162. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story January 21st, 2009 at 12:02 am

    Hmmm. At least I figured out how to do a block quote.

  163. Stew January 21st, 2009 at 12:08 am

    So my girlfriend tells me that she doesn’t have as much money for my Xmas presents this year…the economy has been down, unexpected bills, or whatever. Then Xmas comes around and I have a new HDTV, a Blu Ray Player, and a new laptop. Freaking girl lied to me. Damn I should be upset.

    Or maybe not. Who cares what she initially said, I have a lot of new toys. Semantics…

    I live under the Patrick Ewing Yankee Doctrine. “We need to make a lot of money because we spend a lot of money.” I just smile when other people whine about the Yanks money advantage. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest…I don’t feel any regret about it. I don’t care. I’d spend 300 million just to spite them.

    Go Money, it’s your birthday.

  164. GreenBeret7 January 21st, 2009 at 1:23 am

    Betsy
    January 20th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
    Trish, I never knew much about the reserve clause, but it was detestable. The Black Sox scandal happened mostly because Comiskey was a cheap you know what. The idea that players should be under a lifetime contract in essence is unbearable to me. It’s why I don’t like the owners and why I have no problem with players making the $$ that they do. Hey, it’s a free market system. I’d like to know more about how Curt Flood challenged the system. Who, in the end, made the decision stating that the reserve clause was illegal? Was it the Supreme Court? I wouldn’t think so – especially after they long ago confirmed Baseball’s ability to rule itself.

    ————————————————————

    many people are under the impression that Flood won his case against Bowie Kuhn and baseball, but, the Supreme Court upheld the Reserve Clause and lood actually lost.

    Arbitor Peter Seitz ruled against bseball and that’s when Andy Messersmith and Dave McNally were declared FA after playing the 1975 season without contracts. Oddly, McNally had planned to retire anyway, but, Marvin Miller asked him to agree to join Messersmith in the lawsuit.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Flood

  165. gargoyle January 21st, 2009 at 6:26 am

    The whole notion of trying to have a payroll “lower” than last year’s just so Peter Gammons and Carl Ravitch won’t say mean things is absurd.

  166. 86w183 January 21st, 2009 at 8:28 am

    While playing numbers games and semantics games is great fun, it would make for simpler discussion of the payroll issues to use the same numbers across the board.

    Perfect example — Giambi made about $ 28 million last year in the final year of his contract, but his payroll tax number was $ 17 million. So how much came off the books? Jeter and ARod combine for $ 52 million in salary this year but their payroll tax total is just $ 46.4.

    I suggest we try to use AAV numbers since that’s what the payroll tax is based on. Let the Yanks front office worry about what the actual dollars are. Using AAV the payroll is about $ 6.6 million below Pete’s $ 201.9 figure. Last year the Yanks payroll for tax purposes was about $ 220 million including $ 7 million for benefits. So right now the Yanks are technically at about $ 203 including benefits so they should pay a whole lot less in tax if things don’t change.

    In terms of actual cash they probably won’t save as much.

  167. jpsice01 January 21st, 2009 at 9:08 am

    Is Wang the best bargain in the majors right now? If he can stay healthy this year and come close to 19 wins again – I would like to see how much money he is going to ask for…

  168. Bryan January 21st, 2009 at 9:53 am

    Andy Pettitte did not bite on a one-year, $10 million offer from the Yankees, though a baseball source said he has been weighing a lesser offer to return to the Astros.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....topstories

  169. Business Process Outsourcing July 22nd, 2009 at 9:36 am

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