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		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/20/the-up-to-date-payroll/comment-page-4/#comment-927118</link>
		<dc:creator>payroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Business Process Outsourcing</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/20/the-up-to-date-payroll/comment-page-4/#comment-924995</link>
		<dc:creator>Business Process Outsourcing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes i think is this recession putting an effect on yankees too??? how much?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes i think is this recession putting an effect on yankees too??? how much?</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/20/the-up-to-date-payroll/comment-page-4/#comment-645035</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy Pettitte did not bite on a one-year, $10 million offer from the Yankees, though a baseball source said he has been weighing a lesser offer to return to the Astros.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tom_verducci/01/20/free.agents/index.html#?eref=si_topstories</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy Pettitte did not bite on a one-year, $10 million offer from the Yankees, though a baseball source said he has been weighing a lesser offer to return to the Astros.</p>
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		<title>By: jpsice01</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpsice01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Wang the best bargain in the majors right now?  If he can stay healthy this year and come close to 19 wins again - I would like to see how much money he is going to ask for...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Wang the best bargain in the majors right now?  If he can stay healthy this year and come close to 19 wins again &#8211; I would like to see how much money he is going to ask for&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 86w183</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/20/the-up-to-date-payroll/comment-page-4/#comment-644998</link>
		<dc:creator>86w183</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While playing numbers games and semantics games is great fun, it would make for simpler discussion of the payroll issues to use the same numbers across the board.

Perfect example --- Giambi made about $ 28 million last year in the final year of his contract, but his payroll tax number was $ 17 million. So how much came off the books? Jeter and ARod combine for $ 52 million in salary this year but their payroll tax total is just $ 46.4.

I suggest we try to use AAV numbers since that&#039;s what the payroll tax is based on. Let the Yanks front office worry about what the actual dollars are. Using AAV the payroll is about $ 6.6 million below Pete&#039;s $ 201.9 figure. Last year the Yanks payroll for tax purposes was about $ 220 million including $ 7 million for benefits. So right now the Yanks are technically at about $ 203 including benefits so they should pay a whole lot less in tax if things don&#039;t change.

In terms of actual cash they probably won&#039;t save as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While playing numbers games and semantics games is great fun, it would make for simpler discussion of the payroll issues to use the same numbers across the board.</p>
<p>Perfect example &#8212; Giambi made about $ 28 million last year in the final year of his contract, but his payroll tax number was $ 17 million. So how much came off the books? Jeter and ARod combine for $ 52 million in salary this year but their payroll tax total is just $ 46.4.</p>
<p>I suggest we try to use AAV numbers since that&#8217;s what the payroll tax is based on. Let the Yanks front office worry about what the actual dollars are. Using AAV the payroll is about $ 6.6 million below Pete&#8217;s $ 201.9 figure. Last year the Yanks payroll for tax purposes was about $ 220 million including $ 7 million for benefits. So right now the Yanks are technically at about $ 203 including benefits so they should pay a whole lot less in tax if things don&#8217;t change.</p>
<p>In terms of actual cash they probably won&#8217;t save as much.</p>
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		<title>By: gargoyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>gargoyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole notion of trying to have a payroll &quot;lower&quot; than last year&#039;s just so Peter Gammons and Carl Ravitch won&#039;t say mean things is absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole notion of trying to have a payroll &#8220;lower&#8221; than last year&#8217;s just so Peter Gammons and Carl Ravitch won&#8217;t say mean things is absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenBeret7</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenBeret7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 06:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Betsy 
January 20th, 2009 at 11:52 pm 
Trish, I never knew much about the reserve clause, but it was detestable. The Black Sox scandal happened mostly because Comiskey was a cheap you know what. The idea that players should be under a lifetime contract in essence is unbearable to me. It’s why I don’t like the owners and why I have no problem with players making the $$ that they do. Hey, it’s a free market system. I’d like to know more about how Curt Flood challenged the system. Who, in the end, made the decision stating that the reserve clause was illegal? Was it the Supreme Court? I wouldn’t think so – especially after they long ago confirmed Baseball’s ability to rule itself.




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many people are under the impression that Flood won his case against Bowie Kuhn and baseball, but, the Supreme Court upheld the Reserve Clause and lood actually lost.  

Arbitor Peter Seitz ruled against bseball and that&#039;s when  Andy Messersmith and Dave McNally were declared FA after playing the 1975 season without contracts.  Oddly, McNally had planned to retire anyway, but, Marvin Miller asked him to agree to join Messersmith in the lawsuit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Flood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betsy<br />
January 20th, 2009 at 11:52 pm<br />
Trish, I never knew much about the reserve clause, but it was detestable. The Black Sox scandal happened mostly because Comiskey was a cheap you know what. The idea that players should be under a lifetime contract in essence is unbearable to me. It’s why I don’t like the owners and why I have no problem with players making the $$ that they do. Hey, it’s a free market system. I’d like to know more about how Curt Flood challenged the system. Who, in the end, made the decision stating that the reserve clause was illegal? Was it the Supreme Court? I wouldn’t think so – especially after they long ago confirmed Baseball’s ability to rule itself.</p>
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<p>many people are under the impression that Flood won his case against Bowie Kuhn and baseball, but, the Supreme Court upheld the Reserve Clause and lood actually lost.  </p>
<p>Arbitor Peter Seitz ruled against bseball and that&#8217;s when  Andy Messersmith and Dave McNally were declared FA after playing the 1975 season without contracts.  Oddly, McNally had planned to retire anyway, but, Marvin Miller asked him to agree to join Messersmith in the lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Stew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So my girlfriend tells me that she doesn&#039;t have as much money for my Xmas presents this year...the economy has been down, unexpected bills, or whatever.  Then Xmas comes around and I have a new HDTV, a Blu Ray Player, and a new laptop.  Freaking girl lied to me.  Damn I should be upset.

Or maybe not.  Who cares what she initially said, I have a lot of new toys.  Semantics... 

I live under the Patrick Ewing Yankee Doctrine.  &quot;We need to make a lot of money because we spend a lot of money.&quot;  I just smile when other people whine about the Yanks money advantage.  Doesn&#039;t bother me in the slightest...I don&#039;t feel any regret about it.  I don&#039;t care.  I&#039;d spend 300 million just to spite them.  

Go Money, it&#039;s your birthday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So my girlfriend tells me that she doesn&#8217;t have as much money for my Xmas presents this year&#8230;the economy has been down, unexpected bills, or whatever.  Then Xmas comes around and I have a new HDTV, a Blu Ray Player, and a new laptop.  Freaking girl lied to me.  Damn I should be upset.</p>
<p>Or maybe not.  Who cares what she initially said, I have a lot of new toys.  Semantics&#8230; </p>
<p>I live under the Patrick Ewing Yankee Doctrine.  &#8220;We need to make a lot of money because we spend a lot of money.&#8221;  I just smile when other people whine about the Yanks money advantage.  Doesn&#8217;t bother me in the slightest&#8230;I don&#8217;t feel any regret about it.  I don&#8217;t care.  I&#8217;d spend 300 million just to spite them.  </p>
<p>Go Money, it&#8217;s your birthday.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 05:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.  At least I figured out how to do a block quote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  At least I figured out how to do a block quote.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete:

It doesn&#039;t matter when the bonuses were paid out. They are pro-rated over the duration of the contract. There aren&#039;t many ways to do it. That&#039;s how it&#039;s done. Period.

On the whole though, I totally agree with your overall point, that if the Yankees in fact spend less than last year, it&#039;s negligible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete:</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter when the bonuses were paid out. They are pro-rated over the duration of the contract. There aren&#8217;t many ways to do it. That&#8217;s how it&#8217;s done. Period.</p>
<p>On the whole though, I totally agree with your overall point, that if the Yankees in fact spend less than last year, it&#8217;s negligible.</p>
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