Comments on: Three Yankees in ESPN’s Top 100 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/22/three-yankees-in-espns-top-100/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:48:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: nyyfaninlaaland http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/22/three-yankees-in-espns-top-100/comment-page-3/#comment-645933 nyyfaninlaaland Fri, 23 Jan 2009 02:11:33 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=6313#comment-645933 Dave - if you read my post, I called Melky potentially a decent 4th OF. And my guarantee comment was just that nothing is. I agree that Gardner has adjusted to each level effectively in the past, and very much agree his speed is a better tool than anything Melky shows offensively at this point. As I said, if he can get to a .350 OBP, that's more than enough. What concerns all about him is the high K rate. If he can't hold his own, pitchers won't BB him, and his value will decline. BB's are a big part of his game. If pitchers just continue to challenge him without fear, and he has little power to fear, he's gonna have a problem. He'll be more dependant on BA than he ever has to maintain a healthy OBP in the majors. That means more and better contact. I don't really care about the level adjustment thing - that doesn't mean it will happen in the majors. What does give me hope, as I said, was that he showed better in his Sept. callup. But neither of these guys get the job because they deserve a shot. Best man wins this one. And you should remember, to be fair, that Melky was facing majors pitching at an age where Gardner was playing in college. He could heve some growing up left in him as well, even if his stat track is negative right now. Personally I'm glad we have both - though I'd be happier if we had Grady Sizemore! Dave – if you read my post, I called Melky potentially a decent 4th OF. And my guarantee comment was just that nothing is.

I agree that Gardner has adjusted to each level effectively in the past, and very much agree his speed is a better tool than anything Melky shows offensively at this point. As I said, if he can get to a .350 OBP, that’s more than enough.

What concerns all about him is the high K rate. If he can’t hold his own, pitchers won’t BB him, and his value will decline. BB’s are a big part of his game. If pitchers just continue to challenge him without fear, and he has little power to fear, he’s gonna have a problem. He’ll be more dependant on BA than he ever has to maintain a healthy OBP in the majors. That means more and better contact. I don’t really care about the level adjustment thing – that doesn’t mean it will happen in the majors. What does give me hope, as I said, was that he showed better in his Sept. callup.

But neither of these guys get the job because they deserve a shot. Best man wins this one. And you should remember, to be fair, that Melky was facing majors pitching at an age where Gardner was playing in college. He could heve some growing up left in him as well, even if his stat track is negative right now. Personally I’m glad we have both – though I’d be happier if we had Grady Sizemore!

]]> By: Kevin http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/22/three-yankees-in-espns-top-100/comment-page-3/#comment-645903 Kevin Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:42:18 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=6313#comment-645903 Don't you guys think there's a reason Law went from special assistant to the GM to writing articles for ESPN? Don’t you guys think there’s a reason Law went from special assistant to the GM to writing articles for ESPN?

]]> By: KGsturnz0r217 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/22/three-yankees-in-espns-top-100/comment-page-3/#comment-645863 KGsturnz0r217 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:34:04 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=6313#comment-645863 pretty sure Joba was voted in... or do you think Ellsbury should have got the baseball nomination? pretty sure Joba was voted in… or do you think Ellsbury should have got the baseball nomination?

]]> By: Drive 4-5 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/22/three-yankees-in-espns-top-100/comment-page-3/#comment-645861 Drive 4-5 Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:32:17 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=6313#comment-645861 gayle, "know that whomever is handling this process should not be hired by anyone to do it again as the lack of communication and information on this issue by the team has been horrible to say the least." You're exactly right. As much as I hate to say it, I can't imagine the Red Sox taking their fans for granted the way the Yankees have in this process.Just as some fans take making the playoffs for granted, the Yankees have taken drawing 4mil fans for granted. gayle,

“know that whomever is handling this process should not be hired by anyone to do it again as the lack of communication and information on this issue by the team has been horrible to say the least.”

You’re exactly right. As much as I hate to say it, I can’t imagine the Red Sox taking their fans for granted the way the Yankees have in this process.Just as some fans take making the playoffs for granted, the Yankees have taken drawing 4mil fans for granted.

]]> By: dave http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/22/three-yankees-in-espns-top-100/comment-page-3/#comment-645829 dave Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:38:14 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=6313#comment-645829 Tex's new best friend, Melky led the league in assists because they were testing him in his first year as no one knew how good his arm was - so everyone ran on him and he threw out a lot of people but fact is, melky has been horrible for two years. That was his shot - he blew out. Time to give someone else a chance to start. If that doesnt work, we can go back to melky but gardner did even get a shot. Tex’s new best friend,

Melky led the league in assists because they were testing him in his first year as no one knew how good his arm was – so everyone ran on him and he threw out a lot of people but fact is, melky has been horrible for two years. That was his shot – he blew out. Time to give someone else a chance to start. If that doesnt work, we can go back to melky but gardner did even get a shot.

]]> By: dave http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/22/three-yankees-in-espns-top-100/comment-page-3/#comment-645819 dave Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:18:57 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=6313#comment-645819 I think gardner deserves first crack at the job. Melky has had almost three years to prove to the yankees that he belongs in center field for the yankees and he has answered the call by dropping his obp from 360 to 327 to 301 and his avg from 280 to 273 to 249. He has had 1,438 at bats to show the yankees his skill and has done nothing but disappoint. Its time to give someone else a crack at the job - Gardner had only 127 at bats last year. That is barely time to adjust to the surroundings and superior pitching or even catch his breathe never-mind show off what he can do. Why doesn't gardner deserve at least a half of a season while melky got almost three full seasons before finally being yanked out. Gardner is a much better player in the minors, has the best speed in the organization and is far more athletic than melky. If gardner fails, then, we can try melky again but brett at least deserves a chance. Melky has had more than enough chances in which he has proven how badly he really is. I think gardner deserves first crack at the job. Melky has had almost three years to prove to the yankees that he belongs in center field for the yankees and he has answered the call by dropping his obp from 360 to 327 to 301 and his avg from 280 to 273 to 249. He has had 1,438 at bats to show the yankees his skill and has done nothing but disappoint. Its time to give someone else a crack at the job – Gardner had only 127 at bats last year. That is barely time to adjust to the surroundings and superior pitching or even catch his breathe never-mind show off what he can do. Why doesn’t gardner deserve at least a half of a season while melky got almost three full seasons before finally being yanked out. Gardner is a much better player in the minors, has the best speed in the organization and is far more athletic than melky. If gardner fails, then, we can try melky again but brett at least deserves a chance. Melky has had more than enough chances in which he has proven how badly he really is.

]]> By: dave http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/22/three-yankees-in-espns-top-100/comment-page-3/#comment-645818 dave Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:10:01 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=6313#comment-645818 Drive, But gardner has consistently showed throughout his career that he takes a little while to adjust and then, dramatically improves. Melky has slowly gotten worse and worse in each consecutive season to the point where he was dead weight outside of his defensive abilities. He has no offensive category in which he excels and is not even league average in any of the categories at this point. Gardner has massive speed which is a very positive attribute for the ninth hitter and CF and we know that if nothing else, he could distract pitchers and steal us 40 bases in a full season. Melky has no outstanding abilities that help overcome his below avg offense like brett. Also, brett has shown to be significantly more patient than melky in the minors so he does have that ability to get a high obp even with a low average. Plus, Melky had plenty of chances to show what he can do - and he failed miserably. Gardner has barely been given a chance so far. He deserves a shot over melky at least to start off the year as he did not even have enough at bats to adjust to the far superior pitching with only 120 at bats or so. Drive,

But gardner has consistently showed throughout his career that he takes a little while to adjust and then, dramatically improves. Melky has slowly gotten worse and worse in each consecutive season to the point where he was dead weight outside of his defensive abilities. He has no offensive category in which he excels and is not even league average in any of the categories at this point. Gardner has massive speed which is a very positive attribute for the ninth hitter and CF and we know that if nothing else, he could distract pitchers and steal us 40 bases in a full season. Melky has no outstanding abilities that help overcome his below avg offense like brett. Also, brett has shown to be significantly more patient than melky in the minors so he does have that ability to get a high obp even with a low average. Plus, Melky had plenty of chances to show what he can do – and he failed miserably. Gardner has barely been given a chance so far. He deserves a shot over melky at least to start off the year as he did not even have enough at bats to adjust to the far superior pitching with only 120 at bats or so.

]]> By: Brad Pitt's better-looking brother http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/22/three-yankees-in-espns-top-100/comment-page-3/#comment-645817 Brad Pitt's better-looking brother Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:05:41 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=6313#comment-645817 Doreen Did Trenton say whether the Joba bobble heads were of "Joba the Starter" or "Joba the Set-up Man?" Maybe they know something the rest of us don't and can end the big debate for us? Doreen
Did Trenton say whether the Joba bobble heads were of “Joba the Starter” or “Joba the Set-up Man?”
Maybe they know something the rest of us don’t and can end the big debate for us?

]]> By: gayle http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/22/three-yankees-in-espns-top-100/comment-page-3/#comment-645815 gayle Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:04:38 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=6313#comment-645815 Drive I figured I would call the ticket office again today to get an update what they told me today and this has changed on a weekly basis is that we should hear something by the end of Feb.latest. We will get either an invoice or an email saying here is your invoice for next year with seat locations, amount etc etc. At that time we will have the option to either reject the seats and go into the pool or pay the invoice and take the seats. Not really what I wanted to hear being as I usually know what is going on with my tickets by the end of december but will just have to go with the flow and know that whomever is handling this process should not be hired by anyone to do it again as the lack of communication and information on this issue by the team has been horrible to say the least. Drive I figured I would call the ticket office again today to get an update what they told me today and this has changed on a weekly basis is that we should hear something by the end of Feb.latest. We will get either an invoice or an email saying here is your invoice for next year with seat locations, amount etc etc. At that time we will have the option to either reject the seats and go into the pool or pay the invoice and take the seats.

Not really what I wanted to hear being as I usually know what is going on with my tickets by the end of december but will just have to go with the flow and know that whomever is handling this process should not be hired by anyone to do it again as the lack of communication and information on this issue by the team has been horrible to say the least.

]]> By: dave http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/22/three-yankees-in-espns-top-100/comment-page-3/#comment-645814 dave Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:03:52 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=6313#comment-645814 "dont think people are comparing Montero and Tabata…just there ranking On potential i would rank Montero ahead of Tabata being at catcher or not would Tabata make the yanks top 5 if he was still in our farm system…i dont think so" Boof, I just dont think it is fair to compare their rankings - they play different positions, they are at a different point in their respective careers, one is coming out of A ball and the other out of Double A ball, they have very different strengths and weaknesses and Montero is coming off his best season so far while Tabata's breakout year was 22007 and in 2008, he had a complete collapse followed by a resurrection in altoona in which he hit better than he ever has in his life Im sure. I would rank Montero ahead of Tabata only because he is a catcher and put up monstrous stats for A ball. But if I went on Keith Law's premise that Montero would not make it to the majors as a catcher but would later become an OF or DH and Tabata had that last month in trenton, i may put tabata ahead because of Montero's position change and Tabata's show of excellence in the last month or so proving the talent was still there and because tabata was coming out of double A and is closer to major league ready and was batting against more talented pitchers. Im not sure. But i am pretty sure that if tabata had that last month in trenton rather than altoona that he would still be in Keith Law's top 30 as a yankee. At least i would hope so. “dont think people are comparing Montero and Tabata…just there ranking
On potential i would rank Montero ahead of Tabata being at catcher or not
would Tabata make the yanks top 5 if he was still in our farm system…i dont think so”

Boof,

I just dont think it is fair to compare their rankings – they play different positions, they are at a different point in their respective careers, one is coming out of A ball and the other out of Double A ball, they have very different strengths and weaknesses and Montero is coming off his best season so far while Tabata’s breakout year was 22007 and in 2008, he had a complete collapse followed by a resurrection in altoona in which he hit better than he ever has in his life Im sure.

I would rank Montero ahead of Tabata only because he is a catcher and put up monstrous stats for A ball. But if I went on Keith Law’s premise that Montero would not make it to the majors as a catcher but would later become an OF or DH and Tabata had that last month in trenton, i may put tabata ahead because of Montero’s position change and Tabata’s show of excellence in the last month or so proving the talent was still there and because tabata was coming out of double A and is closer to major league ready and was batting against more talented pitchers. Im not sure.

But i am pretty sure that if tabata had that last month in trenton rather than altoona that he would still be in Keith Law’s top 30 as a yankee. At least i would hope so.

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