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Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 24, 2009 
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The Yankees moved into the new Stadium yesterday and for team employees, it was a unique event.
LoHud.com put together a video of the move. You can find it on this page. They had me narrate it. Let’s just say that as a TV guy, I make a heck of a blogger.
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Unless there’s some major news, my plan is to chill today and tonight in terms of the blog.
this is rich, so now dave says there is nothing wrong with sheets, somebody is going around spreading lies about him thats why nobody has signed him
so every team just about has seen his medical records and nobody has bid on him. the mets showed intereste last week until they saw his medicals and now have no interst.
turns out its not because his arm is hanging by a thread, its not because he probably needs major surgery, its not because nobody wants to get stuck like the socks did with schilling last year, it turns out that hes actually perfectly heathy but some mean person spreading rumors has caused him to go without an offer.
thanks for letting us know the real truth dave.
thanks for that dave
I understand that today will indeed be a good one to “chill.”
Kind of cool in Boca today, too. Had to wear long pants.
Pete, I think you did a fine job on the video. The first time I remember seeing you on video was last year at srping training, I think, with Sweeny Murti. You seemed nervous/uncomfortable then, but much better as you’ve done the video blogs and now this. Bob Lorenz better watch out!
Look at Sheets’s medical history:
In 2005, he sustained what was termed a “viral infection” of the inner ear, and missed 30 games due to dizziness and altered balance.
A torn latissimus dorsi muscle in his right shoulder occurred in late August and ended his season.
In the offseason, he had a microdiscectomy back surgery to correct a herniated disc in his lumbar spine (low back). While this is considered to be a minor back surgery, it should be noted that no back surgery is “minor.” Having any spine procedure as a 27-year-old is somewhat concerning, and leads me to wonder how his overall core conditioning is.
The 2006 season saw Sheets begin the year on the DL due to a posterior shoulder strain.
Tendinitis of the right shoulder landed him back on the DL in early May. He spent a great deal of time on the DL with this injury—a span of 72 games passed before he returned to action.
A torn tendon in his right middle finger sidetracked his 2007 campaign; he was sent to the DL in July and missed a course of 40 games.
After returning for a few starts, a minor hamstring strain was enough for him to miss the final eight games of the regular season.
He has also dealt with an array of minor injuries that did not require much, if any, missed time (right pectoral strain, left groin strain).”
So, are we to believe that Sheets is a victim of some vast medical conspiracy, and his injuries never happened? Or, that they were not that serious?
Or, is Sheets just injury prone. By the age of 30 he’s already had back, pitching shoulder, throwing hand, and right elbow injuries.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/m.....en-sheets/
Tom
Some people want to ignore the facts and act like there is some conspiracy against Sheets. People criticize them for signing Pavano but want them to sign Sheets. I don’t understand.
Tom,
Except for the fact that the guy apparently has “good stuff,” I get the impression that he’s definitely in the wrong profession!
BTW – is the ad with the guy with the great abs and red shorts some way of trying to appease the ladies here who are a little tired of watching the Lace & Stiletto ads????
Where are the other 24 WS trophies?
I like the trophy Eddie Fastook is holding better.
Bronx Cheers, I was thinking the same thing.
Sheets would cost alot less than Pavano did guys. They could sign him with incentives. Sheets is not a bad #5. When the Yanks signed Pavano it wasnt to be a 5th starter it was to be a top 3. Sheets is yes an injury risk but I think if Andy isnt coming back Id roll the dice on him and see what we can get out of him. As a #5 we can skip his start once and a while to rest him. To me its worth a shot to take
“As a #5 we can skip his start once and a while to rest him. To me its worth a shot to take”
Problem with that is Joba’s innings limitations heading into ’09. As it stands, he’s the guy who stands to be skipped in the rotation from time to time to manage his innings. Right now there are two guys who are likely to hit 200+ innings in this rotation. They really need a 3rd, and Pettitte is a far better bet to get there than Sheets.
Great job Pete,today is a good day to just chill out. I don’t think there is much going on and soon enought you will be headed to the sunshine of florida and a busy time. When do you think Petitte and the Yanks will finally come together???
It makes no differance if a pitcher is signed to be a 1 or a 5 if they can’t pitch because of injurys.
Steve I agree and thats kinda my point Ive made b4. Im a huge Joba fan and one of those guys who says if he starts then good, if he is in the pen good also. Id say this sign Andy and Sheets go with Joba and MO in the pen. When MO hangs it up we have a closer that “FANS” will adore, Yankee fans will not want just any1 replacing MO. They need some1 the fans love and adore. If 2 of are young pitchers pan out in the next few years we can def afford to keep Joba in the pen.
Sheets if signed can not be compared to Pavano. just look at the stats Pavano only had 2 good years prior to the Yanks signing him, they would take a lot less risk on Sheets than they did on Pavano. Im in favor of Sheets if we dont sign Andy. Pettitte is my #1
Ham Fighters, the Mets are one of the teams interested in Sheets. I guess the Yankees are too, per Klapisch and Graziano, but they’re only interested at a relatively bargain price. I don’t see them as being “in the game” for him. Sheets may get multiple years now, with these new reports, so if that’s the case, the Yanks are definitely out.
Nick, I’m a little late, but thanks for the laugh!
I know this is off the subject, but we keep hearing how the Yanks are talking to Pettitte, but nothing ever happens. Could it be that they have suggested to him that they will come back to him midseason like they did with Clemens a couple years ago? Andy is a family man and wants the family time. He did great last year for half a season. Maybe they sign him around June, fill in the starts when Joba runs out of innings, and still have him relatively fresh for the playoffs, which is where they need his experience anyway? Just a thought — nothing to base it on really.
Here is what I am concerned about:
I tend to think the Yankees at this point are being penny wise, pound foolish. They obviously want a veteran innings eater in the 5th spot, so to say that if none is signed, a competition between Hughes/IPK/Aceves will fill that spot is unacceptable. They have to go out and sign one now – if it’s not Pettitte, then it has to be someone else. That’s the choice – Pettitte vs. another veteran option, not Pettitte vs. Hughes, etc.. They danced around Freddy Garcia – he signed with the Mets, it’s been said (though I have seen no quotes ), because he thought the Yankees were going to sign Pettitte. If Garcia felt this way, then why wouldn’t any of the other options out there? As long as Pettitte is seen as an option, no one is going to sign with the Yankees – why would they ? I’m talking about guys you take flyers on (Garcia, even Sheets on a 1 year deal) – obviously the Yankees would not continue talking to Andy if they signed someone like Garland. They have got to stop this pussyfooting around and get something done. If they intend to take a flyer, go all in – don’t give some half-hearted offer that any other team could easily top.
I cannot believe we are still talking about Ben Sheets.
Is the news really _that_ slow?
i wish guys like pat m and cb who have been wrong all winter and have said that andy pettite will sign again for 12 million dollars would come out of hiding. the know it alls disappear when they predictions fail.
Just Chill.
You don’t want to overdo it by cutting and pasting too many other blogs.
Slacker!
I’ve said all winter that I think Pettitte will eventually resign with the Yanks as well.
I still believe it’s going to happen. Makes too much sense for both sides for something not to get worked out.
It’s close to the point where Cashman will forget about Pettitte and go to Tampa with Hughes as the No. 5 starter and a few looks at Phil Coke for the same.
There’s a good possibility that a team will want to shed payroll based on poor attendance projections and Cashman will swoop in like a hawk and grab a good starter during spring training.
The trading pieces are there to use.
Rebecca–yes.
Rebecca, Hows about we talk about:
Manny
Joba, Starter or not?
Hughes should have been traded for Johan!
Is Arod Clutch?
Jeter is an awful fielder!
Joe Torre
Is Wang an Ace?
Does CC want to pitch in NY?
Japan Revenue (!)
Who will be the CFer?
Hank
Pettitte is the topic de Mois
jerome ave 4 train
Explain please, how you know they are wrong?
Regarding the pinch hit… Nick in SF is not an ace!
Jerome– those two guys aren’t the type to run away because of being wrong, things are slow so they probably don’t see the need to come back and have the same discussions every day.
I for one am on board with the Pettite to the Yankees for between 10-12 million. Not only does it make alot of sense but if AP wants another pile of money he has only one offer, the Yankees, and every other team with a need has either stated they’re not in on him or gone another way. If he ends up sigining I’d expect your post about how you were wrong, but I won’t hold my breath.
There’s a good possibility that a team will want to shed payroll based on poor attendance projections and Cashman will swoop in like a hawk and grab a good starter during spring training.
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Poor attendance projections? You can’t be serious.
They are opening a new yard in case you haven’t heard. They will sell 4 million tickets yet again and average over 50,000 per game.
Poor attendance figures is the least of their concern.
Hey Pete, not bad…
You do have a face for the blogging world though. Or radio.
j/k. But being in Syracuse now I was fully expecting a Billy Fucillo or Heavy Hitters commercial to pop up somewhere.
Yo Jerome Ave…..I think you missed your stop….They have been right on about all the off season moves….
This comments section is almost getting unreadable as it is dominated by morons with an occasional decent post submitted by someone who has a clue.
I’m not naming names but its been awful the past few weeks. Just awful.
Guiseppe Franco I hope you’re right regarding Pettitte. It does make sense for both sides. Unfortunately pride may stand in the way of a deal happening.
But to listen to all the idiots on here fretting over the possibility of Hughes, Coke, Aceves, and Kennedy fighting over the 5th spot is almost comical.
Its NOT the same as last year. I’m so sick of reading the same nonsense. No team has 5 top notch starters. No one. Not even the Yankees.
These people think the sky will fall if Hughes is in the rotation. Aceves? Kiss the playoffs goodbye, right?
Its NOT the same as last year. I’m so sick of reading the same nonsense. No team has 5 top notch starters. No one. Not even the Yankees.
These people think the sky will fall if Hughes is in the rotation. Aceves? Kiss the playoffs goodbye, right?
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Yeah, but adding Pettitte can’t do anything but increase their chances of getting to the postseason.
I’m still a believer in Hughes. I just don’t think he’s ready to be a regular starter just yet. And he’s young – just 22 years old – so he’s got plenty of time to mature as a major league pitcher. He’s also on an innings cap, which limits his production from the get-go.
And given the strength of the division, I think Pettitte’s addition becomes all that much more important.
I think pitching will still be the deciding factor in who gets to the postseason between the Rays, Red Sox, and Yanks and the team with the third best pitching among those three will be the one watching playoff baseball on TV next October.
That’s why I believe adding Pettitte (or another reliable starter) is very important for this club and can’t be overlooked.
Guiseppe, Glenn was suggesting that *another* team might want to shed a starter because of economic/attendance fears, not the Yanks. The Yanke would be the beneficiary, in this theory. Just re-read the sentance you quoted.
Me, I still say Andy signs before the Super Bowl.
Thanks all for the kind remarks about my guest post.
Guiseppe Franco,I believe what Gleen meant was that some other team might look at THEIR attendance projections and conclude that they need to shed payroll – especially if they have a starter they feel that they can’t sign at the end of 2009.
I think Glenn may be on to something. Cash is a clever man and as Glenn says, Cash-clever-Man has the chips and can hold on to his cards until the right deal comes along in ST.
Oh by the way, GREAT guest post Nick.
Fantastic.
Oops. I just re-read that post.
My bad. Sorry for the confusion.
those guys pat m and cb along with some of the other know it alls, sj,randy,wave dude, nick sf, never get it right…. they rap a good tune, but hide when their wrong. the click cover each others behind. their predictions stink.
Guiseppe Franco I do agree they need a reliable starter for that spot. But unlike most people here, I think that reliable starter is already in the organization.
I understand Hughes and Kennedy imploded last year. But they both have another year of experience under their belts (although both spent time on the DL).
I also think people don’t give nearly enough credit to Aceves. People think because he has little ML experience and his stuff is not dominating that he won’t succeed on this level. But he’s 26 not 21. The spotlight won’t blind him. He can eat innings and the Mexican League is nothing to laugh at.
Bottom line, between Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves, and others SOMEONE should be able to step up and fill that role. Pettitte is the first choice obviously. But the fallback options aren’t nearly as bad as people make them out to be.
From Buster Onley—->
Which brings us to the curious situation that has developed with Ben Sheets.
Over the past five seasons, the 30-year-old Sheets has an ERA of 3.24; his ERA has never been higher than 3.82 in any season, and was as low as 2.70 in 2004. His strikeout-to-walk ratio has never been worse than 2.87 to 1. Hitters have never had an OPS against him, in any season, higher than .705.
When he has pitched, he’s been significantly better than Silva, Batista and Suppan.
Now, his injury history has been the primary factor undercutting his market value. He has managed to throw 150 innings in just three of the past five seasons, and some teams have looked at his medical records and are concerned about his arm. After Sheets strained a right forearm muscle at season’s end, he probably lost his chance, once and for all, of ever getting a deal comparable to a five-year, $82.5 million contract.
But Sheets’ market value seems to have pulled under, in the string of modest deals signed by other veteran pitchers, such as Brad Penny and John Smoltz. Some general managers say privately that Sheets will be fortunate to land a two-year, $20 million deal.
Think about that: In 2008, Sheets made 31 starts, threw 198 1/3 innings, posted an ERA of 3.09 while pitching in Milwaukee’s bandbox, held opposing hitters to a .390 slugging percentage, started for the National League in the All-Star Game, struck out 158 while walking just 47 — and in an industry that provided a $48 million deal for an innings-eater like Silva just 13 months ago, Sheets might be looking at a deal for less than half of that.
There will be days of regret for some teams in 2009, borne out of the low-cost winter market — days when club executives will look back at the low-dollar deals being made now and wonder: Why didn’t we do that? There will be teams that will be trading prospects for starting pitchers to fill holes in their rotation.
If Sheets stays healthy, he is probably going to be a high-impact pitcher for a salary much less than that of his peers — Roy Oswalt, Carlos Zambrano and CC Sabathia, among others — and there will be contenders left to wonder whether they made a mistake in not snagging Sheets.
It looks like he’s going to be a great bargain for somebody.
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If the Mets pass on Sheets we HAVE to look at him. If we can sign him for 2yrs/$20MM or less we NEED to try!
Miggs
I agree about that fall back options aren’t as bad as people make out.
Let me ask a question if Joba and Hughes are in the rotation how do you slot them?
“These people think the sky will fall if Hughes is in the rotation. Aceves? Kiss the playoffs goodbye, right?”
True, but I think the point is not getting an effective #5 starter, which, as you suggest, few teams have. The point is finding a 3rd guy, whether he is a 3,4 or 5 starter, who is a safe bet to give the team 200 innings. I don’t think Hughes can do it. Among those available, I think the only guys who can are Garland, who I’d want nothing to do with, and Pettitte.
“If Sheets stays healthy,”
He doesn’t more often than he does.
“There will be days of regret for some teams in 2009, borne out of the low-cost winter market—days when club executives will look back at the low-dollar deals being made now and wonder: Why didn’t we do that?”
Or Sheets will prove to be the unreliable health ris he’s been for most of the last 4 seasons and 29 teams will exhale a collective WHEW!!!!
I like Hughes a lot, and think he’d have a good chance to be a solid starter this year. Plenty of teams have won the World Series with a young pitcher in the fifth rotation slot.
But if you go with Hughes, and Joba, who will both be inning-limited, you are going to need another 150 inning starter, let’s say Aceves or Kennedy. This is where things start to get a lttle risky, IMO.
Plus, if one of the starters has to miss a substantial number of starts, then we’d have to reach down even deeper to find a starter.
I’m not saying we couldn’t make the playoffs anyway, but I can see where the Yanks think one more veteran starter would reduce their risks and improve their overall chances.
Little if anything has been said if Cashman has had any dialogue with Casey Close, the agent for Ben Sheets although Cashman usually doesn’t leave any stone unturned.
The GM can’t be blamed for being a little gun shy after the likes of Jaret Wright, Pavano, and others.
GM’s have access to medical records and it’s possible the Yankee medical staff don’t have confidence in the records of Sheets.
He’s 12 years younger than John Smoltz who had serious torn labrum surgery. Boston took one huge risk.
why hasn’t any of these guys come out and defend themselves. i see the wave dude is here. your one of the know it all baseball scholars.
Steve if they gave a guy 82.5 million they sure better think he can be one of their top 3 starters.
I believe they would never have gone as aggressively after Burnett unless they though he could provide that to them.
CC, Wang, Burnett are the top 3. Its not even debatable. You can call Joba the “5th starter” if you want because of his innings cap. But its almost laughable to do that considering his stuff is better than most teams #2 starters.
You guys have to put thinks into a proper perspective. Guys are going to go on the DL. All your starters aren’t giving you 200 innings. That’s life.
Last year the team won 89 games with Wang missing more than half the year, Joba on the DL, and Kennedy and Hughes falling flat on their faces. Posada missed basically the whole year, Matsui a huge chunk, and even A Rod was on the DL. Jeter played with a broken hand half the year. They had awful awful defense. And they still won 89 games.
Just think about that for a second before you start calling it “unacceptable” to start the year with Aceves, Hughes, Kennedy, or someone else in the rotation as one poster who I think is an absolute joke said earlier. These peole need to get a clue.
jerome ave 4 train-
I’m a fan of Andy Pettitte and hope the Yanks sign him. I think they will eventually, but I don’t claim to have any special powers of seeing the future. OK?
The key thing with the No. 4 rotation slot is to have an innings eater. With the unsureness of Hughes at least for right now, and the innings limitations for Joba, Girardi will not want to tax the bullpen.
True enough, Sabathia, Wang, and Burnett can handle their end but then there’s a sudden dropoff.
And if I have to read one more Wave/Dave debate over Sheets or any other topic I’m going to puke on my keyboard.
dave, where are you when we need you?
jerome ave, it’s a Saturday morning (or afternoon) in January, most of those guys are probably doing something other than checking in with LoHud. But not me!
Anyway, I have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve made two big predictions this off-season: that CC and Andy would sign with the Yanks. The CC one wasn’t exactly going out on a limb, but I said it during the season and didn’t waver when some good folks started to fret about the delay in signing and phantom west coast offers. As for Andy, we’ll see about that one, won’t we?
PAT M was right about CC and he was also right about Teixeira when almost everyone else thought there was no chance. So I have no idea what your beef with him is.
Sorry Wave I just feel likes its Groundhog Day on this blog. Every day I read vitrtually the same garbage between you two about Sheets, Pettitte, etc.
You guys are spinning your wheels and getting nowhere. Can’t you just talk about something else or not post? I know if I have nothing to add I just don’t post. I wish other people would do the same.
Miggs, just play this the next time anyone metions Pettitte or Sheets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k51dVQYijhw
Miggs, just play this the next time someone mentions Pettitte or Sheets:
http://tinyurl.com/ccakhh
Miggs, you clearly have a reading comprehension problem – as well as an attitude problem. The fact that you do not understand the inconsistency between the Yankees on the one hand obviously wanting a veteran starter for the 4th spot on the rotation and their willingness to go into the season with a combo of Hughes (not ready), Aceves (what, are you crowning him the next Cy Young based on a handful of starts last year) and Kennedy(putrid last year, but you’ve forgotten that apparently) is not my fault. If you didn’t like my post, you didn’t have to get passive-aggressive about it. You simply could have disagreed, but then, disagreeing in a civil way is not your nature.
Hey, Guys, who do you think the yankees should sign-Pettite or Sheets?
oh, i forgot to incclude the betsy chick with the other baseball know it alls, and doreen to. bet none of them can play baseball, just nerds.
jerome ave, can you commment in the previous thread too? It needs some balance.
Betsy to be perfectly honest I don’t like ANY of your posts. I don’t think its fair to single out one in particular. That wouldn’t be doing justice to the rest of your mindless drivel that you like to spew on this blog.
Ben Sheets = dead horse #2
your are a putz nick and so are your commrades.
I’m not for signing Sheets unless it’s a contract structured with the assumption being that he’ll need surgery by next winter. If its 2-3 years very cheap with good attainable incentives so he can make a lot if he actually doesn’t get hurt, and lucrative team option years at the end in case he’s actually in good shape 3 years from now (post-surgery or not) then maybe I could see taking a flyer on him. But fully committing so much time and buckage to another Carl Pavano / Jaret Wright type player is not a good idea.
Regardless, Sheets would have to work with someone on his mechanics. A few weeks ago someone here posted a link to an analysis of his delivery, and it made Sheets looked like a poster boy for Dr Andrews.
To his credit, BTW, at least Jaret Wright made significant effort to overcome, contribute & make a comeback when he was here. That’s why, despite how injury-prone he was, I don’t see him quite the same way I see Pavano. I also remembered Wright having good stuff way way back before all the injuries surfaced, so I thought it could have been a good ‘sleeper’ signing at the time. There was a team option year in his contract too, as I recall.
jerome-
Its YOU’RE, as in YOU ARE not YOUR.
Sorry, it had to be said. The second use of “your” while calling others know it alls and nerds, pushed my last button.
Apparently, I was too late to prevent times 3 and 4, lol.
You’re so clueless in fact that you’d rather take a chance on a guy like Freddy Garcia over Hughes, Aceves, Coke, or Kennedy. You describe these guys as “innings eaters” yet both have significant injury histories.
Sheets started the All Star game last year, has great stuff, yet its 3 weeks before spring training and he doesn’t have a job. Freddy Garcia was forced to accept a minor league deal. Think there may be a reason for that? You seem to think pitchers won’t sign with us because we “might” sign Pettitte.
Sorry I just shake my head at that nonsense. You want to fill a spot in the rotation that you claim “needs” to be filled with an innings eater, yet your only suggestions are guys that are such huge injury risks that they aren’t even signed yet or signed to minor league deals.
Aceves is an innings eater. He’s been one his whole career. If he falls flat on his face, there are Hughes, Kennedy, Coke and others to fill the void.
Maybe you don’t take the time to do any research before you comment. Maybe you just like to post on blogs. I’m not sure what your deal is. But when you’re that dead wrong on something I’m going to point it out.
Saying its “unacceptable” to go into the season with Kennedy, Hughes, Aceves, Coke or someone else filling one out of 5 rotations spots is pure comedy.
I think an additional lesson on “to” “too” and “two” would be a waste of my time.
Sooooooo…..moving right along…
Ben Sheets talk has kind of slipped off the radar around here. What are the thoughts on the Yankees signing him potentially?
I find that written insults are only good if the the person writing them can spell and understand grammar.
meant to say “Garcia or Sheets over Hughes…etc”
Angel
I agree the grammar & spelling here blows chunks. Not just Jerome … lots of people.
I’m guilty at times too. Usually I’m trying to slap together a rant before the boss walks by, I skip over the proofreading part and post, then switch my computer screen over to something he’s actually paying me to do. When I go back to the blog I usually find an errant cut/paste mistake or some nimrod misspelling.
Still, some folks write like they’re in the 4th grade. Sometimes it’s their terrible grammar, punctuation or spelling, Sometimes it’s their inane content. Sometimes its all of the above.
Hey Jerome…
Nick adds a lot to this blog. Not only is he knowledgable in Yankees related discussions, but he’s also IMO the funniest guy to post on here.
Can’t agree with you on that one.
“I find that written insults are only good if the the person writing them can spell and understand grammar.”
I couldn’t agree with you more, Tom.
Tom
I disagree it’s so much better that way. The visuals that accompany the insults are somehow more complete. Maybe a couple of scratches, a burp or two- perfect.
“Sometimes its all of the above.”
See? There I go … my apostrophe is missing. But at least I can realize it.
Ansky et al
I apologize in advance for all grammatical and spelling errors.
More likely he was Jerome Avenue short bus when attending school.
If you read jerome ave’s posts as performance art, they’re actually very well done.
Or Jerome Avenue might be the where his mom turned the trick that he was conceived during.
so i see angel is the spokesmen for the in crowd who fail to defend themselves. where is the arrogant sj & randy. or the prophets cb & pat m. or the rude gb guy. angel,do you really know baseball or are you another betsy.
As far as “inane content” I resemble that remark.
Interesting concept, Nick. Sort of like the guy who pees in a cup then gets thousands from the NEA.
I see. Ansky agrees and Tarheelyank does not.
Style over substance, or, form equals function. All in all, it’s a matter of taste…
Tarheel … ye be forgiven for all future gramatical buffoonery, lest ye content be inane.
I’m fading into Bolivian
Style definitely counts, Tom. A good wordsmith can still get away with the occasional goof.
“Just think about that for a second before you start calling it “unacceptable” to start the year with Aceves, Hughes, Kennedy, or someone else in the rotation as one poster who I think is an absolute joke said earlier.”
-miggs 2:18pm
“Saying its “unacceptable” to go into the season with Kennedy, Hughes, Aceves, Coke or someone else filling one out of 5 rotations spots is pure comedy.”
-miggs 3:03pm
“I know if I have nothing to add I just don’t post. I wish other people would do the same.”
-miggs 2:28pm
Hey miggs, it’s getting to be like Groundhog Day around here. I think I see where you are coming from, now. Some people just post the same things over and over.
If you are going to do grumpy, check out GB7′s body of work. He’s got style.
Me, I think the Yanks will sign Pettitte and won’t sign Sheets. What do you think?
ansky, you must be the hero guy on your coed softball team.
So is it me or did someone up there desperately need a time out or something?
No, I don’t play baseball. Yes, I am a nerd. No, I don’t really care. I can still kick your behind in a swordfight.
Yeah GB is our resident “Snarkatarian”.
Does anybody else think all of these sheets rumors are ridiculously bogus nonsense? Within one month, we have had so much garbage stuff down our throat about sheet’s health, i am beginning to think that none of it is true. From the end of the season to the third of january, we could only read his dl history which made it clear that he had some chronic problems but a minor injury in september to his forearm was the only reason he landed on the dl all last year.
Then, reports come out January 4th saying that he had major problems with his back, shoulder, arm, etc. that were more serious than teams were originally led on to believe which explained the complete lack of interest in sheets. Today we learn An updated medical profile sparked renewed interest among many teams throughout the league.
So three dramatically different reports all about the exact same subject and all within the last month. And i could only imagine that sheets while rehabbing from his forearm tear is not doing anything too physical this off season so I doubt throughout all of this that anything much changed with his actual current status.
The first set of beliefs were probably legit because they were taken right off his own dl history, the second came up on January fourth by multiple sources in the media to try to explain his lack of interest and the third I think was actually sent out by sheets or his agent and somehow got teams to change their minds even though sheets himself was behind those reports.
I was definitely skeptical about all the BS coming out in early January and Im even more dubious of the worst of the newest set of lies, I mean reports. But most of this blog bought into the second round of trash so I guess people will believe this report as well – i DONT BELIEVE ANY OF IT as I was raised to question the sources of information like this.
Who even knows what the real truth is at this point but i guess the yanks missed the boat because sheets is no longer a bargain – this is exactly the reason I was so into sheets for a price of one year and 6 to 8 mil. He most likely would have been a steal at that value because now his price has skyrocketed all b/c some report it is believed that sheets himself sent out. Are the minds of teams and execs really being changed by this report? Wow.
Miggs be calm. Deep breath.
There continues to be dialogue between the Yankees and Andy Pettitte, though the club remains unconvinced the left-hander will accept a one-year offer for $10.5 million. Still, the Yanks prefer Pettitte over the pool of current free agents, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.
Unless a free agent starting pitcher such as Ben Sheets would accept a one-year deal at a severe discount, the Yankees appear content to head to spring training with Phil Hughes heading a field for the No. 5 spot, which includes Alfredo Aceves, Ian Kennedy and non-roster invitee Jason Johnson.
— Pete Caldera
http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....04294.html
I still believe the Yanks sign both Sheets & Pettite. Both on 1 yr deals with options for both in incentives and another year.
That said, I believe the longer Manny is on the table, the more likely the Yanks will sign him as well. 1 to 3 yrs with Manny having incentive based options & bonuses.
I am not taking anything away from the below event as it benefits a really good organization. However I will go on record again saying that the team needs to do the same thing here in the New York area. It would be fantastic community relations as well as good will towards fans here where they play.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_nyy
If you are going to be berated for spending, you might as well seal the deal! Thoughts?
Fast forward to the year 2029.
Hand-wringing posts over whether Andy Pettitte or Ben Sheets will be the next pitching coach for the Yankees will dominate the blog for months… until they finally name Phil Hughes for the post.
Jerome is angry the Yanks even need a pitching coach at all.
Please don’t feed the trolls.
Ray sorry to burst your bubble but there is absolutely NO WAY that the Yankees signs Sheets, Pettite AND Manny never going to happen except for your dreams.
This from riveraveblues:
“So that about wraps up all of the other teams tangentially related to Andy Pettitte this off-season. All signs, then, lead to the same place to which they’ve been pointing since the start of the Hot Stove League: Andy Pettitte can either work out a deal with the Yankees or with no one.”
They say Wolf-Dodgers, Sheets – Rangers, Perez – Mets, Stros – No one, Pettitte – Yankees or retirement. That is the story around baseball and that is why pettitte does not have much leverage any more. My bet is he can possibly get the yanks from 10.5 to 11 or maybe even 12 but no further merely because they feel they may need him but know if he does not want to retire, he needs them just as much. If pettitte is a no-go, i THINK sheets is the next best option. They can steal him away from the rangers relatively easily. Even with the new report, there is no way sheets commands that much. I mean he sent out that report himself for god’s sake.
Brad Pitt: here’s hoping we make it to 2029 first
(You know, theoretically, Hughes could still actually be pitching in 2029.
Weird, huh? )
Rebecca
Yeah I suppose. But he’s been thrown under the bus so many times on this blog by that time he’d be a retread at best.
get it – “retread?” you know… yeah, ok i’ll stop.
“Hand-wringing posts over whether Andy Pettitte or Ben Sheets will be the next pitching coach for the Yankees will dominate the blog for months… until they finally name Phil Hughes for the post.”
Jerome is angry the Yanks even need a pitching coach at all.”
dave (on hearing the news) well, unfortunatly he imploded.
i am going to leave you baseball scholars now. but i will be watching for the return of the know it alls and i will return.
Tarheelyank I just chuckled out loud after reading it.
Hey, there’s only so much you can do, right?
“Take your foot off the pedal”
I am still laughing at that comment.
I don’t think that long post was the real dave. I suspect shenanigans.
Tarheelyank and Miggs: LMAO!
Man, the thought of where I’ll be in 2029 kind of scares me. Hence the needing to get there first.
Am I the only conspiracy buff fascinated by the 2012 thing?
“There continues to be dialogue between the Yankees and Andy Pettitte, though the club remains unconvinced the left-hander will accept a one-year offer for $10.5 million. ”
Sunny,
If the team is positive that pettitte will not accept this deal, i GUESS he better get ready for retirement because it doesnt appear at this point any other club is interested in pettitte’s services no? Also, what is the dialogue they are continuing if not to re-negotiate the terms of the offer? Is it just trying to convince pettitte to come back – he already knows everything about the yanks and NY so I dont know how much other information they can discuss if not contract terms and such…
“the Yankees appear content to head to spring training with Phil Hughes heading a field for the No. 5 spot, which includes Alfredo Aceves, Ian Kennedy and non-roster invitee Jason Johnson.”
I dont see how this is any different whatsoever from what they did last year as I am sure out of those three hUGHES will be the one selected to start in the fifth spot. So once again, they would be givingi two youngsters who cant pitch even close to a full season the last two spots with little depth to back them up. If they do this, it will be abundantly clear that the yanks are once again incapable of learning from their mistakes…
Hughes is not ready for the majors and neither him nor joba can pitch more than 150 innings tops so we only have enough depth with kennedy and aceves to back the two of them up. That means for any injury or ineffectiveness we are relying on the starting depth below kennedy which includes names like Jason johnson, dan geise, chase wright and steven jackson. I dont think any of those guys should be in the rotation of a team that just spent over 400 mil to improve.
2012?
Love to talk to u about that sometime R! But I’d lose whatever smidgen of credibility I may have if I did it on this blog! lol.
Wave
Why, was it coherent?
wave,
Why not? I have been saying for most of january that i dont like these “new” medical reports coming out as sheets does not have any “new” status changes in health. The wide majority of this blog bought the first set of reports hook, line and sinker and i spent most of the month arguing about why that report in january should not be believed but of course, it fell on def ears. Now, who is gullible enough to believe the newest round of reports… I hope no one.
ring, ring, ring
dave, internet line 2
Brad,
I did not see a j/k in your last post???
Wave you’re a funny guy. You went back and found 2 comments that I made that were somewhat similar to try and turn my argument against me. 2 comments in 2 posts.
You and Dave have been having the same discussion about Ben Sheets (and to a certain extent Andy Pettitte)for at least 2-3 WEEKS now. Every day, every thread.
Yes I made the same point in 2 different posts. It was necessary to get to the point of what I was saying.
Dave
the j/k goes without saying buudy!
dave j/k
BP- thats the way say it down south, buuudy
miggs, I think you got me confused with some other guy. I’m involved in the Andy Pettitte For Pitcher campaign, I don’t do Ben Sheets. Ben Sheets is pretty much a dave thing. I’ve only mentioned Sheets a couple of times, nothing long or repetitive.
Ok Brad BLB
Wave,
I re-read the post. I dont know how it does not sound like me…
Tarheel
Thas’ right buudy!
Dave is a good guy. Never attacks anyone, just his keyboard sometimes.
Miggs,
Most of this blog have been having this discussion for two to three weeks about pettitte and sheets. tHAT is the ONLY thing going on right now. What else is there to talk about on a yankees blog? They only have one real need left to fill and that is the fourth spot in the rotation and there is a limited number of free agents who can fill it. tHUS, the entire blog has been focused on the same thing – look at how many posts pete made about pettitte and sheets in the last month…
dave, haven’t you posted that before?
“Never attacks anyone”
Except an occasional Andy defamation.
And i stopped talking about sheets for a good week until this “new report” and “renewed interest” brought him back up into conversation. When the pettitte talk became serious, i didnt even mention sheets. Because it is not so much that i really like sheets as it is that i really want the yanks to sign another starter and i only think there are two guys left that i want. If we get pettitte, i dont even care about sheets as I have said before. And I too am tired of talking about the two of them and wish they would just sign. But until one of them sign, thats pretty much all we have been talking about for the most part.
Thanks Brad, I appreciate it.
tarheel,
Well he deserves it at this point for making us toss and turn at night, no? I dont see any reason he should be putting us through this torment for chump change to him. But i guess it is his prerogative so I have to accept it. I just dont like the “its all about the money” attitude after saying it had nothing to do with the money but just coming back to the yanks – thats all. It made it seem like he was trying to tell the fans that if he doesnt come back to NY, it would be the organizations fault like last time but we did not buy into all that this time. The organization played it very well and in the end, pettitte is the one looking bad.
But you know once he comes back, i will love him again!
Wave,
I did but it was towards the end of a thread so i WASNT sure if anybody had a chance to see it and i thought it would be somewhat interesting. But if you thought i posted it before, why did you say you didnt think it was me?
“I dont see how this is any different whatsoever from what they did last year as I am sure out of those three hUGHES will be the one selected to start in the fifth spot. So once again, they would be givingi two youngsters who cant pitch even close to a full season the last two spots with little depth to back them up. If they do this, it will be abundantly clear that the yanks are once again incapable of learning from their mistakes… ”
I think its completely different than last year. Last year we went into the season with 2 good, reliable starters, Pettitte and Wang. Moose was coming off a season where he got pulled from the rotation and there were whispers he was done. Then you had Hughes and Kennedy, 2 rookies who pitched well the September before. That’s it. Your depth was Rasner and Igawa. They had to sign Ponson mid season for crying out loud.
This year you have 3 very good/great starters leading the way. Say what you want about Burnett, he’s included. CC and Wang go without saying. Then you have a spot for Joba, a guy who has more talent and experience than either Hughes or Kennedy did last year… and its not even close. Innings limit, yes. 5th starter stuff? Hardly. So that leaves ONE spot, one spot to be decided between Hughes, Kennedy (both with one more year experience), Aceves, Coke, or Igawa.
This year is WAY better than ’08 even if they don’t sign anyone else. Hands down.
I cringe to hit the sumbit button… the response to this post could break the internet.
“Well he deserves it at this point for making us toss and turn at night”, no? I dont see any reason he should be putting us through this torment
dave,It makes a little more sense now.
Miggsy
Pretty calm so far…
But just to be safe you better s-l-o-w-l-y step away from your keyboard.
And say what you want, Igawa was pitcher of the yaar in AAA last year or something like that. Maybe lowest ERA.
I understand he gets shelled almost every time they bring him up, but he deserves a mention.
OK, gotta go. I have an angry looking guy at the door with my pizza. The name tag says Jerome.
Could it be…?
“According to Gammons, Randy Wolf, Jon Garland, and Braden Looper are all receiving similar offers at this point: roughly $5 million per year, plus options and incentives. ”
If Jon Garland can be had for $5 million on 1 year, I think the Yankees should do that yesterday. He’s coming off a sub-par year, but at the very least he’s an innings eater. He’s pitched at least 190 innings every year since 2003. He’s a contact pitcher who doesn’t strike out or walk many. He’s basically a less good, younger Andy Pettitte. For 1 year, I would rather Pettitte, but Garland as the #4 allowing Joba to keep his innings in check behind him sounds fine to me.
Bye y’all
“But if you thought i posted it before, why did you say you didnt think it was me?”
Everybody was joking around and I thought someone had cut and pasted your comment from the night before. I knew you had originally written it.
2008 starter depth
Wang
Pettitte
Moose
Hughes
Kennedy
Rasner
Igawa
Karstens
Ponson
2009
CC
Wang
Burnett
Joba
Hughes
Kennedy
Aceves
Coke
Its not just 1-5, its 1-8 because you have to factor in injuries.
If they add Pettitte to that staff it almost becomes unfair.
“ansky, you must be the hero guy on your coed softball team.”
I know that’s supposed to be an insult, but it could be a complement. Think about it …
miggs, you’re bringing up Andy. Is that fair, I ask you?
Hey guys, I didn’t tell you. I went to the wine and liquor store today for a corkscrew and ended up with free wine.
Okay, so it was a tasting, but still, free wine is free wine!
Migg,
This is the one thing that i just cant be convinced of. First off, to clarify, I did not mean the entire rotation was similar to last years situation – i meant the last two spots. They had a combo of Hughes, kennedy and Joba and later aceves for the fourth and fifth spot last year – hughes got hurt and was ineffective, kennedy was ineffective and later, joba was switched to the rotation and got hurt. Aceves was able to close out the year in the rotation but only made 30 innings worth of starts. in between, we were forced to rely on guys like ponson, rasner and so on as stable faces in the rotation instead of spot starters. And why? Because we did not have the pitching depth to cover for widespread injury or ineffectiveness and that had NOTHING to do with the top three starter spots.
And as I SAID, it is a similar case this year. We have four guys to fill two spots in the rotation and at the start of the season, that is fine: Joba can take the fourth spot and aceves or hughes, the fifth. But then, neither of those can pitch more than 150 innings. And who is our depth? Aceves i assume and kennedy. So those two will have to replace jOBA AND hughes when the need arises. But if we have any injury or any ineffectiveness, those two will also have to serve as backup for that. That is two guys the entire year that have to jump into the rotation after the all star break as well as cover for anything that goes wrong.
And if we have an injury, after both joba and hughes hit their innings limit, we are screwed because we are now down to the depth headlined by Geise, Jackson and Wright. That is the equivalent of rasner and ponson if you ask me because none of those guys should be in the rotation. Coke will already be in the pen most of the year and wont be able to jump from pitching one or two innings to five or six so he is out of the mix. This is why we need another starter and pettitte fits the bill. nOT signing someone is taking significant but totally unnecessary risk.
Ok what about center field?
The Yankees keep claiming its either Cabrera or Gardner. They don’t want to play Swisher there. Or Damon.
I understand they want to upgrade their defense but having Damon or Swisher in CF dramatically improves the lineup. Otherwise Swisher or Nady has to sit.
If Melky or Gardner could even hit .260 this wouldn’t even be a discussion, but both are so bad offensively its worth talking about.
Wait, so the current medical reports for Ben Sheets are true?
Is there some kind of clean bill of health mill? Why couldn’t Pavano get one?
Just kidding. Not trying to poke any fun at Baldelli.
But, I repeat my question from yesterday. Why aren’t the Brewers interested in Sheets?
Wave,
Ohh I gotcha. Makes sense now. I am surprised you read it because no one even mentioned it and i thought it would at least spark some sort of debate but everyone was very involved in complimenting nick lol.
Carmine,
I agree with you. If pettitte refuses to take less than 16, we should sign garland for insurance at 5 just in case pettitte does not come back.
m,
The brewers have had interest in sheets. At least according to MLB traderumors. That site has reported those two having discussions multiple times but i dunno if a deal was ever offered – i could only assume something was offered and sheets turned it down because the rumors have stopped after going on for quite a while.
Dave what are you talking about?
Under what circumstance will Jackson or Wright be making starts for the team? Is the entrire staff going on the DL?
CC
Wang
Burnett
Joba
Hughes
Kennedy
Coke
Aceves
Igawa
I just listed 9 starters. You would have to put 5 guys on the DL at the same time to dip below this group.
And if you’re worried about injuries you can’t be bringing up the argument about innings limits, because you can’t have it both ways. If guys are hurt they aren’t hitting their innings limits.
PLUS the 5th starter (Joba) only needs to pitch 150-160 innings anyway, as he will be skipped in the rotation on off days and therefore available for most/all the season.
NEXT!
m:
My guess is the Brewers don’t want to committ and take on that risk _again_ for an extended period of time.
dave,
oops. I was going off the teams that were interested after his “new” reports came out.
Maybe they have a wink-wink deal?!
“I agree the grammar & spelling here blows chunks. Not just Jerome … lots of people.”
Heh. Generally I just gloss over poor spelling/grammar of others. I realize not everyone care or worries about it, and that’s fine.
But if someone is gonna start insulting good posters around here, while sounding illiterate themselves – then you better believe I’m gonna point it out.
m,
If sheets current health reports are true and his past reports are true – that guy must be having one hell of an off season with his health changing that rapidly.
dave,
Yes. But as far as I know, you’re the only that thinks that the negative reports were greatly exagerrated.
I think they should send you both sets. As a person in the field, you would be able to discern the true report! haha.
And I stand corrected. The Brewers are among the throng (3 teams) looking at the new reports.
“Because we did not have the pitching depth to cover for widespread injury or ineffectiveness and that had NOTHING to do with the top three starter spots.”
Really Dave? Was Wang in your top 3? Because he sure was in mine.
“Ok what about center field?”
If you want to read a non-moronic discussion regarding center field I suggest Replacement Level Yankee Weblog. They’ve done a good job analyzing it. They project the total runs (offense, plus defensive runs saved) for various combinations of Yankee CF candidates.
Bottom line, RLYW sees a Damon/Swisher platoon as being about 6 runs (offense and defense) above the average center fielder, and Damon alone about average. But RLYW thinks the Damon/Swisher platoon is too complicated. And Damon can’t be an everyday CF.
Neither Gardner or Melky project to hit lefties well, and either as the everyday CF projects to be about 6 to 12 runs below the average CF, depending on how you account for Gardner’s base-stealing abilities.
A Gardner/Swisher platoon projects pretty well, if you assume Gardner will steal bases at a 75%-80% success rate. Might even be as good as average. Given our team, that’s probably all we would need. But Swisher doesn’t want to play CF and the Yanks don ‘t want to play him there.
I’m not sure going out to get Mike Cameron does any better than a Gardner/Swisher platoon. If you want to spend the extra $10MM, you could argue Andy does more if you can sign him.
I know, I always bring up Andy…
I’m curious about these new reports.
Shoulders and backs don’t magically heal themselves.
“And I stand corrected. The Brewers are among the throng (3 teams) looking at the new reports.’
But, what wouldn’t the Brewers already know?
Rebecca-
It might be a case of finding a doctor that will tell you what you want to hear?
I hear Dr. Santeria Witchdoctor, MD specializes in diagnoses of just that type.
.
Either that or he his new medical reports are sponsored by WebMD or someone who stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Figured it out, Guys/Gals
Ben Sheets middle name is button. He’s ageing in reverse, so his back, arm, shoulder are not degenerative.
I don’t know about Gardner as a starter. If he can at least get the OBP up, which he had in the minors, I’d feel better. But his entire line was pretty lousy last year. Granted, he didn’t have a tremendous amount of time to prove himself, but I just don’t think he’s earned a starting spot yet. Definitely should be on the major league roster with his speed and range, but maybe not starting yet. I mean, if they could somehow fuse Cabrera and Gardner, I think their combined OPS adds up to about what Albert Pujols posted last year, so that would be great. Otherwise, I really don’t like the idea of Swisher or Nady being benched in favor of one of them every day.
Rebecca,
I wonder if the reports are on Benny Hinn letterhead.
Angel: I’d believe it!
Carmine,
I’ve heard that Gardner struggles a bit at every new level. That’s why it was heartening to see Gardner do much better in his second call up.
Take a look at Nady’s Yankee stats and Gardner’s MLB stats. Ignore the HR & steals and their pretty close on average.
I have nothing against Gardner at all. I mean, he had a career .389 OBP in the minors, so the guy knows how to walk. I think plate discipline translates better than any stat from one league to another. And if he can even show a glimmer of that this season, he deserves the starting CF job. With his speed, a high walk rate makes for an ideal leadoff hitter. Couple that with his fielding and he’d more than deserve to be the starter.
Not to go all “old guy telling tales again”,but I’m tired of all this Pettitte / Sheets stuff. What happens will. The Yanks are extremely likely to add another starter, Pettitte is the most likely. Isn’t that enough for now?
Any way, I mentioned under Nick’s post I got to play 18 holes with Ron Guidry by chance in I believe it was 1987. The year before the Homestead free agents and all that. I had tickets to the game in Anaheim that Sat. He said that was his throw day in the pen, and to come down and see him in the late innings. My young son and I walked over, he told the usher to let us down, and we chatted for a couple of minutes through the pen fence. Just a gracious guy.
More than a decade later I was at a Yanks game in Anaheim with friends, on field level a little beyond first base down the RF line. The visitors pen was in the RF corner at the time. Boeringer was pitching in the 7th or 8th, Yanks up by a couple, and suddenly tomy right I heard a lous “Pop”! Turned to my buddy to my left, without even looking to the pen, and said “Rivera’s up”. He asked how I knew, then came the next “Pop” – “that’s how”, I said. We were both amazed by the sound of it.
That was a “loud” pop.
All these people that confidently flame Gardner for the future, back off a little. You might look foolish when you’re leaping on the band wagon. a. there’s development and b. there’s quality coaching. I remember him fouling off Papelbon repeatedly and I remember him facing Doc in Toronto and smoking a couple of hits off him. Halladay to my mind is the top pitcher in baseball. I’m not claiming Gardner will be an All Star but he could favorably surprise us all/
nyfaninlala land: awesome story! Thanks for sharing!
nyyf
Nice post
People forget that the cut fastball is coming in at 95 mph consistently.(h/t Joe Morgan and FJM rip). That’s like Wang’s sinker, same speed. Unbelievable
How about a changeup?
Here’s the depth chart of SP on yankees.com:
1. CC
2. AJ
3. Wang
4. Joba
5. Phil
6. Ace
7. IPK
Now, a lot of people get excited about whether it should be AJ/Wang or Wang/AJ.
As you know, I love Wang and like AJ a lot. As long as Wang’s okay with it, that’s all that really matters. It’s pretty close. AJ gets his outs with strikeouts and Wang with ground outs. Both can put up wins, in Wang’s case a lot of wins.
So what would Wang do? I think that he’ll try his best no matter what. If he’s upset about the pecking order, no one will ever know. It’ll make him work harder. We saw what happened after the arbitration hearing, he had a chip on his shoulder.
What kind of world has an AJ/Wang controversy for the #2 spot? The Yankees world!
Miggs,
Did you read my entire post? You clearly did not. In what world is Igawa a major league pitcher? And how can you say I cant bring up innings limits and injuries? Two guys have innings limits, three guys can be injured at any time. Why are they not both issues to you? And I SAID at the end of my post that coke can not be considered a starter the enitre year. if he goes to the pen, he will not be able to go right back to starting at any point unless he builds up his innings like joba did last year. And that WONT happen because coke is not joba.
Finally. IF WE DONT SIGN ANY ONE JOBA IS OUR FOURTH STARTER, NOT OUR FIFTH! I dont know why that is so hard to understand. Now i will tell you how easy it is to get into a heap of trouble if we dont sign another starter AGAIN. sINCE YOU clearly did not read my last post. cc, wang and aj all have risk. joba who is going to be our FOURTH starter and Aceves will probabluy be our fifth both have innings limits. Only two legit pitchers – hughes and kennedy BOTH have to be slotted to take over for joba and aceves when they hit 150 innings or so. So obviously in the beginning of the season we are fine. We have an injury – hughes takes over even if we have two – they can both take over. The problems will arise after or right before Joba and Aceves hits their limit .If lets say AJ goes down with an injury before, then when we have aceves and joba hitting their limit we only have kennedy to replace the two of them because hughes will already be in the rotation.
So we have to dip into the minor leagues and igawa does not count because any one will be better than him – so we have guys like chase wright, steven jackson or guys out of our pen like dan geise who will prolly pitch in long relief. Now the second scenario, is if an injury occurs after joba and aceves both hits their limit and hughes and kennedy are already in the rotation. We need to once again dip into subpar talent to cover for the injury in a crucial point in the season. The third scenario would be if hughes and kennedy take over and kennedy is completely ineffective as he was last year – at that point, we once again have to dig starters out of the minors.
All of these three situations could result in a rotation of Two of the big three and Hughes, kennedy and one of jackson, wright, johnson, etc or two of those guys without kennedy if he struggles. I dont feel so comfortable with that rotation. And pettitte will not cost that much to stabilize the rotation and add to the depth. You can argue all you want but facts are facts and if we get into a bad situation where we have an injury or two after joba and aceves hit their limit and/or someone is ineffective like kennedy than we will have to dip into pitching that is not proven whatsoever.
Gah!
Tom
January 24th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I find that written insults are only good if the the person writing them can spell and understand grammar.
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Wut chew meen by dat?
Aceves has an IP limit?
If the Yankees can sign Andy Pettitte, I would throw out:
-CC
-AJ/Wang
-Wang/AJ
-Pettitte
-Joba
Once Joba really hits his IP limit, like it would be unsafe to start him anymore limit, I would put him in the bullpen if and when we go to the playoffs.
Then it would be a 4-man rotation of:
-CC
-AJ
-Wang
-Pettitte
Joba as a setup for the playoffs only. Back to rotation in ’10.
Some people need to start their own blogs, lol.
Talk about wordiness.
If Pettitte doesn’t come back, then I conserve Joba’s innings and put him in the post-season rotation.
And if CC blows in his postseason start, I throw out Hughes in his spot the next time through!
This is our depth:
CC – pitched 500 innings in last two seasons
Wang – had severe injury and surgery just one year ago
AJ – has never pitched 200 innings, two consec seasons at age 32 and pitched 200 last year
Joba – was injured last year and has innings limit of 150
Aceves – only pitched 30 innings in the majors and has innings limit
Hughes – was injured and ineffective last year, needs more time in minors
Kennedy – was completely ineffective last year and has not proved he can pitch in MLB
After that is a slew of minor league prospects in triple A, none of whom have positive major league experience. We also have Dan Geise if he plays the long relief role but that hurts the pen if we take him out. Igawa is igawa and should not really count as our depth unless he proves he can pitch.
iF YOU CANT see the need for another pitcher who can pitch 200 innings on this team you are blind. We really need another pitcher and the yanks have the money to sign another one so why not get pettitte or someone similar. This is more of a need than a luxury.
Angel – its because people keep making me repeat myself instead of reading the entire post before responding in the first place. I should just say see above but that wont work since they never read more than the first few lines before writing their response in the first place.
i was under the impression that aceves has some sort of limit. I dont think he can pitch 220 innings next year and make over 30 starts. Can he? iF SO, why the competition for the fifth starter spot? Why not just hand it to aceves because he can pitch all year?
m
January 24th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Aceves has an IP limit?
If the Yankees can sign Andy Pettitte, I would throw out:
-CC
-AJ/Wang
-Wang/AJ
-Pettitte
-Joba
Once Joba really hits his IP limit, like it would be unsafe to start him anymore limit, I would put him in the bullpen if and when we go to the playoffs.
Then it would be a 4-man rotation of:
-CC
-AJ
-Wang
-Pettitte
Joba as a setup for the playoffs only. Back to rotation in ‘10.
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Aceves shouldn’t have an innings limit…he’s been starting for the last 6 years in Mexico.
Chamberlain will have his innings stretched out throughout the year. That’s the reason NYY needs that 6th starter. He gets some of Chamberlain’s starts, a couple of Burnett’s and possibly Sabathia’s. If NYY get’s Pettitte signed they’d give some of his starts the the #6 guy, too, whether it’s Aceves or Hughes.
“Some people need to start their own blogs, lol.
Talk about wordiness.”
Nobody’s got an achor on your ass, lol. Skip it if you don’t want to read it. But shut up about it, lol. Nobody needs your negative crap, lol.
sherlockbones
January 24th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
“Some people need to start their own blogs, lol.
Talk about wordiness.”
Nobody’s got an achor on your ass, lol. Skip it if you don’t want to read it. But shut up about it, lol. Nobody needs your negative crap, lol.
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Nobody’s got an “achor” on yours, either.
If aceves does not have an innings limit that makes me a little more comfortable with the rotation but pettitte would still make this rotation much more comfortable. But if aceves doesnt have an innings limit and pettitte is not signed, there should be no competition in spring training for the fifth spot because aceves can pitch the whole year and no one else can, so we might as well use that to our advantage. The rotation should start as CC, Wang, AJ, Aceves and joba then replace joba with hughes. We still have kennedy as backup for injury but i would rather have aceves as backup which would be the case if pettitte signed. We already know aceves can pitch but kennedy is still a question mark. Either way you cut it, pettitte is worth the money for the stability he adds to the rotation.
“Nobody’s got an “achor” on yours, either.”
I’m not complaining about anyone’s post, lol. Think much?
So why not talk about Manny today if it’s slow?
The Mets fans are all over this just not their upper magmt team. Minaya would take him in a heart beat.
Everyone around the league knows he is a difference maker and the teams that are interested in him aren’t worried about Boston dog days 2.
After Arod I’m not impressed with our line up. Posada is a question mark as is Cano and CF.
Matsui and Damon are gone after next year and Nady is probably gone in a trade this year. No way do we sit either Nady or Swisher all year.
So if we can move nady now then all we have to do is find a taker for Matsui in this tough market and eat 5mm of his contract.
Live with a higher payroll for 1 year and Manny takes us over the top.
I feel better now since I haven’t posted on this all week.
Yanks should be more worried about C and CF than they are about the rotation right now.
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I’m impatiently waiting to see Wang’s stats this year. The poor guy – top end sinker, low end INF defense. This year Tex and even defense in the OF. It’s going to be great to watch.
YankeeRay
That Mark Teixeira guy’s pretty good. Not meant to be sarcastic, I think you just forgot him.
If Aceves is on any kind of innings limit, it’s a number too high for him to even approach. If he were to somehow get close, that would mean that he would have been a highly-effective full-time starter for virtually the entire season. So… not to worry about Aceves. He’s a bull. Innings won’t be an issue.
Nobody’s got an achor on your ass, lol. Skip it if you don’t want to read it. But shut up about it, lol. Nobody needs your negative crap, lol.
*rolls eyes*
“I’m not complaining about anyone’s post, lol.”
Except mine, that is.
“Think much?”
Pot meet kettle.
January 24th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Angel – its because people keep making me repeat myself instead of reading the entire post before responding in the first place.
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Can you honestly blame people for that though? They are quite lengthy, lol. I get that you’re passionate, thats great – but concise is a good thing too.
I’m not sure Sherlock Holmes ever laughed out loud, LOL.
None of you think Phil Coke can be a starter?
Call it a gut if you will, but I have more faith in him than Aceves. Maybe I’m wrong. Like I said, gut instinct.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
January 24th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Nobody’s got an achor on your ass, lol. Skip it if you don’t want to read it. But shut up about it, lol. Nobody needs your negative crap, lol.
rolls eyes
“I’m not complaining about anyone’s post, lol.”
Except mine, that is.
“Think much?”
Pot meet kettle.
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Damned, Angel. How can you read what I’m typing before I send it? You’re stealing my best lines.
“rolls eyes”
Drama queen.
“Except mine, that is.”
Your posts about baseball aren’t worth commenting on. You opening your fat mouth to complain about WORDINESS is worth telling to you to shut your fat yap and skip the posts.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
January 24th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
January 24th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Angel – its because people keep making me repeat myself instead of reading the entire post before responding in the first place.
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Can you honestly blame people for that though? They are quite lengthy, lol. I get that you’re passionate, thats great – but concise is a good thing too.
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Passionately concise would be perfect.
“You’re stealing my best lines.”
That person would go to jail for being an idiot.
Right. Aceves is the guy that gets kind of lost or glossed over in these 5th starter conversations. He did extremely well for us last year, he is as durable as a pitcher can be from all that we can see, and showed that he can handle long relief too. He is going to be very valuable to the Yankees once again this season. I’d be comfortable with him as a 5 to start out the season with.
I do believe Pettitte will be signed before ST. But even if the Yanks don’t pick up another pitcher (unlikely) having Aceves or Hughes fill the 5 spot early on doesn’t send nervous twitches up my spine.
All good pitchers were mere prospects (or less) once. These two guys can compete.
You don’t need All Stars at every position. Just ask the 2008 Detroit Tigers. “Best offense in baseball history,” etc. etc. Hell, KC was better most of the year..
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Staying to write the story
January 24th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
None of you think Phil Coke can be a starter?
Call it a gut if you will, but I have more faith in him than Aceves. Maybe I’m wrong. Like I said, gut instinct.
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I think that he and Aceves will be split the spot starts and long relief spots. It’ll help lengthen the bullpen, but, they’ll both get some starts depending on the team.
sherlockbones
January 24th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
“You’re stealing my best lines.”
That person would go to jail for being an idiot.
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You’re style and class is underwhelming.
take a well deserved break pete. it’s doubtful any beat reporter keeps its fans as informed as you. god bless ya buddy and thanks again. from all of us
Mr Bones –
if your comments bring nothing to the table, why must you complain about others?
If you want an argument, inject some reason. Your sort-of namesake would expect no less.
Your comments to this point are a bigger waste of time and space than those you’ve taken on.
You didn’t do that bad!
Thanks for keeping us so informed with the team goings on.
This is the first place I check daily for Yankee news!
Damned, Angel. How can you read what I’m typing before I send it? You’re stealing my best lines.
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Haha. I left “No S**t, Sherlock for you. I thought for sure you’d take that one.
Its clearly got some kind of unhealthy fetish with me. I’m moving on. Nothing to see there.
Angel-
I understand they are long but if someone is going to respond to a specific post of mine at least read the whole post they are responding to before they comment back. Otherwise, it gets very frustrating because i end up repeating half of what i said the first time because they did not read it which just makes it longer.
Rebecca,
I heard Coke may begin spring training as a starter but unless he comes out of the spring as a starter which is doubtful, he will go right to the pen. After pitching one or two innings out of the pen for a while, he cant just jump right back into the starters role as he would have to build up to it. And either they can pull another joba build up thing which they would only do for someone of joba’s talent or they can send him down to the minors to build up his innings. I dont see them doing either with coke so I doubt he will be a mainstay in the rotation at any point but he could be. It just seems unlikely IMO and weakens the pen by taking coke out of it which seems unnecessary.
Damned…I’m as bad as everyone else. It’s contaguous.
Your style and class is underwhelming.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
January 24th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Damned, Angel. How can you read what I’m typing before I send it? You’re stealing my best lines.
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Haha. I left “No S**t, Sherlock for you. I thought for sure you’d take that one.
Its clearly got some kind of unhealthy fetish with me. I’m moving on. Nothing to see there.
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I’d never say that. I have style and breeding. I’m an aristocrat.
Either that, or it just slipped past my steel trapped mind.
Riveraveblues listed jason varitek’s ops plus as 73 which was near the bottom of the list and apparently close to melky’s. I looked up melky’s to see how close to the two were and melky had a 68 ops plus last season. Wow – five points lower than varitek’s and we are still considering him for the starting center fielder job next year. If having possibly the worst ops plus of any starter in the league last year in the center field position does not make you lose your starting job permanently then what does?
I know it was only a year and melky is still young but he was not only horrible last year but had slowly regressed further and further back throughout his three years starting for the yanks. Maybe we can give him one more shot but at the very least, cant we give gardner a chance first who only had 120 at bats to prove his worth compared to melky’s 1,438 at bats. Doesn’t gardner deserve a little more than 120 at bats after melky had 1,438?
re: Manny
I know he’s not in our budget and we dont need a dh.
I cant help but think about a few years ago when any team could have had him, and passed. At the time I was hoping Cashman would grab him. Not for us, (I couldn’t stand him) but to trade, and keep him away from the Sox. Even if we had to dump salary.
Diffrent situation now, but it was a mistake then (no team taking him), is it a mistake now? I cant believe some team out there (especially AL) hasn’t grabbed him.
Bo Knows,
Anxiously awaiting the return of the Wang. He’s so stealth. The silent ace suffering in silence in the #3 spot. I don’t care what anyone says, he’s still an ace. How he embraced the role and took it on himself when he had very little help, co-starters & defensively, around him.
Rebecca,
I am very shocked about your thoughts on Phil and Aceves. Both did very well in their Yankee debuts, but Coke did his in relief where he could dial it up when necessary. Coke’s minor league history and “stuff” don’t suggest that he’d crack our starting 5 as constituted (now last year would’ve been a different story).
I’m with Nick, with the exception of one start Aceves availed himself very well. In fact, he looked like he had plenty left in the tank every time they took him out to give the bullpen some reps. I hope this is not offensive, but I think of him as a burro. Capable of carrying a heavy load and won’t stop until you tell it to.
dave,
Oi! You know that if there are so many misunderstandings, it’s because you’re not an effective writer. Just write what’s necessary to get your point across. Points, not rants.
“I understand they are long but if someone is going to respond to a specific post of mine at least read the whole post they are responding to before they comment back.”
Absolutely, I agree with you. I was just pointing out why they might not have. Sometimes its not even that I haven’t read a long comment, its just that I’ve forgotten what all the points were by the time I get to the end of it – it’s kinda information overload that’s all, lol.
Anyway, I can appreciate your passion for the Yankees, regardless.
How about this take on Manny?
I suspect a bit of the fascination to add him, beyond his hiting ability of course, is to somehow rub the Sox’ nose in it the minds of some Yanks fans.
But if he goes off on some issue or other with NY, which isn’t implausible, who’s face will get the worse rubbing?
Clearly LA has made plenty of budget room and the roster spot for him – now it’s a bit of a stare down to a final deal. He’s very likely going to LA.
But a segment of NY fans just seem to be fixated on him. He’d probably fit better next year than this, but I for one don’t want him playing in LF in Yankee Stadium. DH I could deal with. Maybe we can table the issue for now.
urrr. Points, not ramblings.
“Wut chew meen by dat?”
Classic, GB
Oh, I just saw The Dark Knight on DVD this afternoon (first time I’d seen it) and Heath Ledger was a truly amazing Joker.
And Dave – love your passion for the team, but we get it.
You don’t like Manny, you want Gardner. You have concerns about Sheets.
You made your points, repeatedly and in incredible detail. We get it. You’re entitled to your opinions. Don’t feel the need to address every comment ad nauseaum because someone might have missed some of the fine print. Be more tolerant of the opinions of others, and they’ll return the favor.
And work on your prose style.
But keep on posting – it’s your right.
Sorry Dave – I mean’t you don’t like Melky, not Manny.
No need for an explanation or response.
nyyfaninlaaland
I agree, but with LA and Manny in a “stare down” why isn’t anybody else playing ninja, ala Cashman. This is just a weird offseason. Not much that makes sense.
Ansky, we had the same afternoon.
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
January 24th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Anyway, I can appreciate your passion for the Yankees, ***regardless***
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How can you expect to fit in and be popular on this blog if you continue to use that outdated words. Many people on this board are only comfortable using the more popular ***irregardless***
Sure beats a game thread that’s for sure, Tom. I’ve got my Netflix queue set up for months in advance.
Interesting article on where to bat Tex 3rd or 4th. What I thought was really cool was the vote 2382 votes split 50/50.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....m-to-solve
Besides the obvious reasons of age and defensive liabilities (greatly exagerrated according to Donnie Baseball), there probably hasn’t been a Manny press conference for the following reasons:
1. We have a surplus of outfielders
2. We need Andy more than Manny (not really, but I wanted to irritate you guys!)
3. We want to get younger and more athletic
4. Too many years. LA’s willing to go at least 3 years, so there won’t be any 1-yr fliers in Manny’s immediate future.
ANSKY
January 24th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
“Wut chew meen by dat?”
Classic, GB
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I just felt the need to fit in with the rest of the gang.
I had to watch it alone because my girlfriend “gets sad” everytime she sees Heath Ledger. Not because he’s dead, but because she thinks I look like him and gets sad because I too will someday die. My girlfriend is crazy.
Tom maybe you need help. She’s that much of a drama queen and you’re still with her?
Dark Knight was pretty intense. Can’t wait to see the next one with Two Face, assuming there will be one. I like this approach better than the 80′s/90′s Batman movies.
Comparing Ledger in Brokeback Mountian vs Dark Knight shows how good an actor he was.
Carmine
January 24th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
YankeeRay
That Mark Teixeira guy’s pretty good. Not meant to be sarcastic, I think you just forgot him.
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Carmine, I didn’t forget him, I just said after Arod I wasn’t impressed.
I want him for 3 years not 1 as that is the Jeter,Mo,Posada,maybe CC window to win.
He so belongs in the AL and you know he wants to play for the Yanks if for no other reason to stick it in the Sox faces.
I still want to spend my summer nights watching the nation fans booing Tex,Arod and Manny in succession.
I have posted this at nauseum as well and it is making me sick that we are not in on this but I still don’t doubt that Cash will take the Boras call at the 11th hour saying Manny wants to be a Yankee.
We have some furniture to move around still and Nady will go IMO. Now just move Matsui and live with the payroll for this year as he definitely fits next year.
My girlfriend gets sad whenever Heath Ledger’s on camera because I DON’T look like him. Women…
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I understand the Yankee reasons, but what about every other team except LA?
Way back when, I can remember being embarrassed having George as our owner. Now I don’t understand why there aren’t more like him. Just WIN, everything else be damned.
Ledger was evolving into a great actor. He still has one more movie comming out, which I’ll have to see alone, but it should be good.
The Dark Knight was a very intense film. It also asks very poignant questions concerning good v evil. I think people refused to take it seriously because it was a “comic book” film. But, that’s like saying “Slaughterhouse-Five” was science fiction.
How can you expect to fit in and be popular on this blog if you continue to use that outdated words. Many people on this board are only comfortable using the more popular irregardless
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Because Firefox puts a great big angry red line under the word irregardless when I try to use it? And because I’ve developed a phobia of angry red underlining and now associate them with a teacher being angry at me?
(Actually it didn’t pick it up as a spelling mistake, I’m going to have to email the Firefox people! Its a nonstandard adverb!)
TarheelYank,
Well, now that’s another story. I suspect that $$$ is tight. I don’t know why Anaheim wouldn’t go for it. Vlad’s playing on toothpicks and he disappears in the playoffs. But I guess I should be glad, Manny would be a finishing piece for any contender.
M, in response to your post:
m
January 24th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Besides the obvious reasons of age and defensive liabilities (greatly exagerrated according to Donnie Baseball), there probably hasn’t been a Manny press conference for the following reasons:
1. We have a surplus of outfielders- Move Nady and Matsui and we have room
2. We need Andy more than Manny (not really, but I wanted to irritate you guys!) I want both
3. We want to get younger and more athletic – moving Nady and Matsui makes Manny DH and doesn’t affect the older or athletic argument
4. Too many years. LA’s willing to go at least 3 years, so there won’t be any 1-yr fliers in Manny’s immediate future. – All things equal Manny would come to the Yanks. Not too many years when we are winning at least 2 and maybe 3 titles with him. He is a winner and would be the bat that puts us over the top IMO.
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I had to watch it alone because my girlfriend “gets sad” everytime she sees Heath Ledger. Not because he’s dead, but because she thinks I look like him and gets sad because I too will someday die. My girlfriend is crazy.
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Yikes, Tom. That’s bizarre. I hope that’s her only really bizarre quirk – for your sake, lol.
ANSKY:
Nolan confirms that, uh, *MASSIVE SPOILER ALERT* two face dies in TDK, so he won’t be in a third one.
Having Manny on the roster would make the Yankees the best team on paper…again. The best team on paper hasn’t really been doing too well as of late, not just in baseball but in many professional sports leagues(see e.g. 2003-2004 Lakers, 2007-2008 Patriots, Murderers Row + Cano).
Aside from that, I think he’d be a destructive influence on the young players. and would hinder the development of any team chemistry which this team has clearly lacked for quite a while now.
Has Nolan signed on for the 3rd one? Last I heard he was still doing his best Pettitte impression and holding out for more $$$.
ACK Rebecca, you spoiled it for me!
I’ve read somewhere that Johnny Depp will be Riddler in the next Batman film.
YankeeRay
Oh, you meant lineup wise. Sorry, I read that as “other than A-Rod”. My mistake.
Interesting article on where to bat Tex 3rd or 4th. What I thought was really cool was the vote 2382 votes split 50/50.
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No question Teixeira is going to hit third this season. No doubt at all.
Here’s why:
* Teixeria wants to hit third
* A-Rod wants to hit fourth
* Teixeira is a career .311/ .394 / .573 in the third slot and .278 / .378 / .523
in the fourth slot
* Girardi is a big stickler for the alternate righty-lefty lineup (at times to a fault) and he wouldn’t be able to do that with the first 5 hitters with A-Rod third and Teixeira fourth
Okay, I didn’t mean to use block quotes there. I guess I learned something.
Hey guys. Going to see Brian Bruney tomm, any suggestions on what to say or ask him baseball wise?
Has anyone heard anything about Humberto Sanchez’ rehab? Is he in Tampa? Thanks
Like we really need more of this.
But for all you 24/7 Pettitte/Sheets controversy people…
http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....osts/43861
I’ll accept my thank you’s later.
I gotta important meeting I have to leave for…
Dave,
I’m going to respond to your post in 1000 words or less.
I read your entire novel. Just because I disagree with it and think you are wrong doesn’t mean I didn’t work my way through the entire torturous thing.
Your argument holds no water. Every pitcher has a risk for injury. In your world, every team in the majors needs 1-3 more starters. It doesn’t work that way.
There are so many flaws in your argument I cannot even go through them all, nor do I need to bore anyone by doing so.
So I’ll hit on the main points. You argue our top 3 pitchers are at risk for injury. CC because he pitched a lot of innings (but has NO injury history), Wang because he was hurt last year (never mind that he won 19 games back to back years before that and was on his way to another 19 last year before his freak injury) and Burnett well, because he’s Burnett.
Joba is going to be treated as the 5th starter. Try and comprehend that. He will not hit his innings limit early. They will monitor it, skip his turn every now and then, and he will be available all season.
So you have one spot to fill. Aceves is a horse, you’re clueless if you think he has any innings limit. Hughes and Kennedy have another year experience.
Your argument for Coke not being available is also garbage. How do you know he’s going to be in the pen? You don’t. You’re guessing.
So yes, if 4 of our starters get hurt we MAY have to use Igawa. If the sky falls we may run out of pitching. It is a possibility. I’m not even going to go through all the other nonsense in your post.
Just chug another Red Bull and write me another novel in response. Then accuse me of not reading your thesis when I disagree with you (again).
YankeeRay:
There could not possibly be less of a market for Matsui than exists right now.
Also……
Your entire argument was how we would have 2 weak slots in the rotation just like last year and “how could the Yankees not learn from their mistakes”
The rotation is hands down better than in ’08. Its not even close. You say it has nothing to do with the 1-3 starters, yet Wang’s injury last year was the back-breaker for this team.
The 4th and 5th spots don’t NEED to be filled by guys giving you 200 innings. Typically you only need 150-160 from a 5th starter. Between the other 4-5 guys I listed I’m confident that other slot can be filled and that particular pitcher can give them league-average results, which is really all they need out of that spot.
How many innings did they get from the 4th and 5th starters last year going into the season? Kennedy and Hughes? 100 innings total? Wasn’t Wang hurt most of the year? Joba also?
Yet they still managed to win 89 games. That should tell you something.
And my final point, and the one that should slam the door shut on this silly little argument, is that you have been clamoring for Sheets for over a month now.
On one hand you want a reliable veteran starter who can give them the “200 innings they so desperately need”. Then you start arguing to go after Sheets, one of the LEAST likely guys to ever give you the 200 innings you so desperately desire.
Make up your mind. Once you figure out what you really want then write me another book describing in full detail your plans for the Yankees bringing home that 27th ring. I can’t wait to read it.
Rebecca — RE: 2012 (conspiracy nut and history student tend to go hand in hand?) Yeah I don’t really think that because the Mayan calendar stops in 2012 that it means the world is going to end. Didn’t they kill virgins and sacrifice humans to the gods so they could have a good harvest and the like? Maybe we should sacrifice a few virgins to the CF god and he can give us our very own Grady Sizemore! But folks don’t usually believe in THAT kind of crazy
I find infinitely more interesting the direction our country is heading (oblivion and tyranny) as it claims to be heading back to its roots (freedom and small government).
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy
Good article on Cano. He is so talented – if he puts his mind to it, he could be a perennial contender for batting champ. If he doesn’t, then he will be just another in a long line of huge talents that never lived up to their potential. I think we caught him early enough, though, and it’s very encouraging to hear that the Yankees are happy with him. I hope Robby keeps smiling even has he hustles his buns – it’s infectious
SIGN BEN SHEETS!!!
I think that is more than a thousand words Miggs
Oh Andy
well you came and you left without taking (10 mil)
Now we sent you away
oh Andy
well you kissed off and left us shaking (our heads)
And we still need you today
oh Mandy… oops I mean Andy.
DT:
Very punny!
(And good for a hearty laugh after all the Pettite vs. Sheets diatribes on this post).