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Pettitte’s deal is done

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 26, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Conference call in a few minutes. I’ll post some audio as soon as I can.

It’s a $5.5 million deal that could balloon to as much as $12 million based on innings pitched and roster time. As I’ve written here for weeks, it makes complete sense and creates great flexibility in the rotation.

The rotation as it stands now:

Sabathia
Burnett
Wang
Chamberlain
Pettitte

with Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves and Coke waiting to fill in as needed. The Yankees now have comparable depth with the Rays and Red Sox, which is vital.

UPDATE, 4:21 p.m: The release from the Yankees:

The New York Yankees announced today they have signed left-handed pitcher Andy Pettitte to a one-year contract.

Pettitte, 36, was 14-14 with a 4.54 ERA in 33 starts with the Yankees in 2008 (204.0IP, 233H, 112R, 103ER, 55BB, 158K, 19HR), while holding left-handed hitters to a .203 batting average (47-for-231, 3HR). He was 10-7 with a 4.03 ERA prior to the All-Star break, marking his most such wins since 2003 (11).

Originally selected by the Yankees in the 22nd round of the 1990 First-Year Player Draft, Pettitte is 178-101 with a 4.01 ERA in 11 overall seasons with the club (1995-2003, 2007-08). He ranks third in franchise history in strikeouts (1,574), fourth in wins and games started (343), and eighth in innings pitched (2212.0). Pettitte also played for the Houston Astros from 2004-06, where he compiled a 37-26 record with a 3.38 ERA.

Twice named an American League All-Star (1996 and 2001), Pettitte owns a 215-127 career record with a 3.89 ERA. He is the Major League leader in wins among active pitchers since his debut in 1995, and trails only the newly retired Greg Maddux (224) and Mike Mussina (218) among all pitchers over the span. Pettitte has posted a winning percentage of .500-or-better and made at least 15 starts in each of his 14 Major League campaigns. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, only Cy Young (15 seasons, 1890-1904) and Tom Seaver (15 seasons, 1967-81) started their careers with longer such streaks.

A member of four Yankees World Championship teams (1996, ‘98-2000), Pettitte is 14-9 with a 3.96 ERA in 35 career postseason starts, tying Tom Glavine for the most all-time postseason starts and the second-most all-time postseason wins (behind John Smoltz’s 15). He is also a two-time 20-game winner, notching 21 victories in 1996 and 2003.

UPDATE, 4:33 p.m.: Brian Cashman is on the call now. Pettitte admitted his pride was wounded by the pay cut but said in the end he wanted to play for the Yankees again.

UPDATE, 4:40 p.m.: Cashman said not to expect any more significant moves.

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345 Responses to “Pettitte’s deal is done”

  1. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 26th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    Congratulations and welcome back Andy.

    I am nothing if not a homer and a laundry rooter!

    :)

  2. Zach in Port Jeff January 26th, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    are you serious?

    i am so excited!!! how many more days till opening day?

  3. Josh January 26th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    5.5 mil base salary

  4. Stephen January 26th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Lemme guess…

    “I always wanted to come back…my agents were handling the contract, and I had nothing to do with any of that stuff.”

  5. Fran January 26th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    Andy’s signing probably insures that barring any injuries Hughes starts the season at SWB.

  6. Doreen January 26th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Welcome back to Andy. It was the sensible thing for both parties to come to an agreement. I’m glad they did. The particulars don’t much matter. The spin will and should be positive. It’s a move forward.

  7. yankeefan91 Arod fan January 26th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    i dont no but in a way i still wants sheets in the rotations u can never have enough pitching

  8. Yankee2123 January 26th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Very Nice. Our rotation is stacked, and ready for battle. I just wish we had an everyday CF.

  9. chambliss January 26th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Hughes at SWB is not a bad thing. Let him develop properly. Having Hughes waiting in the wings if Pettitte or Burnett misses a start is an excellent option.

  10. CKS2103 January 26th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Awesome news. Does this mean that we now have to get rid of Swisher?

  11. Stacey January 26th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Sounds like all the pieces are in place for the 09 season?! :)

  12. saucY January 26th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Lemme guess…

    “I always wanted to come back…my agents were handling the contract, and I had nothing to do with any of that stuff.”

    :lol: .. my thoughts exactly

  13. Joe Monte January 26th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Yankee2123, you’re talking about the 9 hitter in our lineup. We can easily get by w/ a Gardner / Cabrera combination in CF for the next year or two.

  14. Brian NYY January 26th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Welcome back Andy!

    Let’s remember that Joba will not be able to pitch more than 170 innings. So I have a feeling Joba and Hughes will be sharing that 5th rotation spot with Hughes spelling AJ a few times to keep his arm fresh.

    Joba = 160
    AJ = 180
    Hughes = 60 – 100 innings (with long relief help)

  15. Zach in Port Jeff January 26th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    I could really care less about who did this, who said that, etc etc…

    I could care less about Torre’s book.

    I could care less about A-Rod and “Single White Female” comparisons…

    I just want baseball. Spring training cant come soon enough.

    Glad to have Andy back. We can finally field a team that at least has some semblance of depth.

    I need warm weather. NOW!

  16. Vito January 26th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    Nice! We are set now – assuming Berroa and Ransom can handle backup IF chores

  17. rodg12 January 26th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Really glad this finally got done. From the reports, it seems like a nice compromise for both sides. If Andy makes his incentives then he makes the 12 million he was looking for. The Yankees are safeguarded against him not doing so. Win-Win in my eyes.

  18. Nick in SF January 26th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Late reports indicate that the deluxe anniversary edition dvd of “Single White Female” was the final incentive to lure Andy Pettitte back into the fold. Said GM Brian Cashman: “We knew Andy and his wife were big Jennifer Jason Leigh fans… when Johnny Damon suggested we throw in the dvd, the deal just fell into place.”

  19. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 26th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Cool

  20. Moneyball January 26th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    Start spreadin’ the news………

  21. Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown January 26th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    Thank God and Brian Cashman. Without a true No. 4 we were looking at ’08 redux. Now we can put Joba in at No. 5 and have Hughes, Kennedy or Aceves spell him occasionally. But with any luck those three will spend most of the year in SWB, building up their arm strength so they can be legit members of the rotation in ’10 and for many years to come.

    Welcome back Andy.

  22. TKinDC January 26th, 2009 at 4:13 pm

    I wonder if the Hendricks brothers will

    a) just stop making obviously false statements (i.e. the phantom 3 year, $36M deal that Andy had in hand) or

    b) just keep on the way they have will all their BS and bluster.

    (here’s a hint – pick b ;) )

  23. Josiah from NC January 26th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Hey guys,

    Just turned on ESPN 1050 to listen to Michael Kay. However, when I did, Kay was just finishing up talking about how his and Torre’s relationship was rocky at best, did any of you guys hear what happened and if you did, can you give me a quick summary

  24. wood is good January 26th, 2009 at 4:14 pm

    Zach, how much could you care less?

    Personally, I COULDN’T care less. ;D

  25. Yankee2123 January 26th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    Joe Monte,

    Cabrera and Gardner combined don’t make half a Bernie Williams. Unless one of those guys breaks out in the Spring, Damon is going to see some time in Center this year, barring any trades. Don’t forget, the Yankees are so high on a Gardner/Cabrera, that they were trying to get Mike Cameron in a deal. The truth is A-Jax is being groomed for the future, and they just need someone to keep the spot warm. But not to the tune of a .230 BA, and sub .300 OBP.

  26. Artie A January 26th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    If somebody has a better 1-5 in the rotation i would like to know!…good move by the yanks and Andy. nobody is over paying here…much better situation than sheets…one year deal, loaded with incentives…yanks and fans will be happy to see it all paid if he can come thru down the stretch. Allows Hughes a chance to make sure that he his prime time ready… great move!

  27. Dano January 26th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    dave?
    where are you pal?

    i want to read one of your posts about ben sheets….

  28. Bob Mac January 26th, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    Zach,
    I agree. I want baseball and not gossip items. Who cares? I still love Mickey despite off the field issues. I care about on the field matters only.

  29. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Bored in Class January 26th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    Glad Andy is back. It’s exactly what the Yankees need.

    My concern now is that all the pitchers stay healthy…

  30. Zach in Port Jeff January 26th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    Nick in SF,

    You didn’t hear this from me, but apparently the Yankees used a copy of Single White Female to test out the HD scoreboard at the new stadium.

    The scoreboard works well.

    However, it is not energy efficient.

  31. Yanksgal07 January 26th, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    FYI…Off topic but of interest to people waiting on their partial ticket plans. I just received a reply email from the Yankees stating that I most likely won’t hear about my seating locations till sometime later next month.

    Welcome back Andy !!!!

    Go Yankees 2009 !!!

  32. Rishi January 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    Josiah – basically, Kay and Showalter get along really well so Torre assumed that Kay was “anti-Torre” – he told a story of how Torre pulled Paul O’Neill for defense and Kay asked both Torre and O’Neill about it…Torre called hiim out the next day in front of the team basically comparing him to a gossip columnist.

    Kay says all of that was b/c Kay was friends with showalter.

  33. Garym(Yanks and More) January 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    what a deal for the Yanks, by waiting they were able to get him cheap, this is great for the Yankees, what a pitching staff and Pete your right they also have the depth

  34. Vito January 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    All Melky or Gardner have to do is catch the damn ball. Any offense from them is a bonus. That said, I think Gardner surprises and gives us a 35 SB .340 OBP season

  35. m January 26th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    Comparable? How about Superior!

    You won’t find a better starting 8.

    It’s just up to the bats to get ‘er done.

    And chambliss, why single out Andy & AJ? Wang & Joba have had problems, too. And CC’s just as susceptible because pitchers get injured all the time. Booo on you. :)

  36. Zach in Port Jeff January 26th, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    ps…i take back my earlier statement when I said that I couldn’t care less about the “Single White Female” analogy.

    in reality, its probably been the best thing i’ve heard all year.

  37. VOIII January 26th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Great news on Andy…Pete that last post was some great writing…Sad to see Joe reduced to this level even if all is true. Part of the culture of his club house was that they were a family and kept all in house matters private…He has betrayed his own ideals for few more dollars. Had the Yankees never hired him he would not be worth a quarter of what he is worth today. I am not sure you could say the same about his former employers.

  38. jd January 26th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

    whos the poster that keeps stating ‘the yanks dont do incentives!”
    isnt this like the 3rd signing to have one?!

  39. SJ44 January 26th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    There are teams in MLB who would take the Yankees AAA rotation right now.

    Hughes, Aceves, Kennedy, Coke and perhaps Alan Horne.

    Pretty good group.

  40. Real World January 26th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    I always figured he’d resign with the Yankees, but what surprises me, is that he opted for half in base, for a chance to earn $2 million more in incentives ($6.5 million incentives + $5.5 million base = $12 million, versus the original 1 year $10 million deal). I think that’s terrific for the Yankees since Pettitte will be working to earn the extra money, and apparently, working hard since he values the chance to make $2 million more so much. Personally, in his position, I’d have taken the $10 million guaranteed and called it a day.

  41. Real World January 26th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    I always figured he’d resign with the Yankees, but what surprises me, is that he opted for half in base, for a chance to earn $2 million more in incentives ($6.5 million incentives + $5.5 million base = $12 million, versus the original 1 year $10 million deal). I think that’s terrific for the Yankees since Pettitte will be working to earn the extra money, and apparently, working hard since he values the chance to make $2 million more so much. Personally, in his position, I’d have taken the $10 million guaranteed and called it a day.

  42. VIGGY January 26th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    This is an all time GREAT !

  43. Confucius January 26th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    You know … I’m beginning to suspect that there was never a 3/36 offer out there for Pettitte.

    Lovely job by Ca$hmoney. Doesn’t give in to a second year, pays almost half the guaranteed money he was offering a month ago, and even if Pettitte grabs all the incentive bonuses it’s only 2mm more (the tiniest of compromises by Brian). If Andy gets hurt and misses significant time, he’ll rue not taking the 10mm he was guaranteed last month. And now our rotation is set.

  44. Clare January 26th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    Peter,

    I liked your last post – but how come people who were saying very similar things yesterday were “nitwits”?

  45. Brian NYY January 26th, 2009 at 4:25 pm

    Gardner can be what Chone Figgins is for LAA. He isn’t a great hitter but his speed disrupts the other team’s defense.

    Gardner is slightly worse at the plate but better defensively and on the bases.

    Melky can make this moot point, however, if he has continued to work out and generates some power. Melky’s arm is far superior and range is pretty good in CF. His arm is needed when Damon and Nady are standing next to you in the massive OF in the Bronx.

    This will be a nice competition in Feb and March.

  46. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez January 26th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Josiah from NC,

    Micheal in 1996 had a run in w/ Joe, Joe the previous game took Paul O’neill out of a game for a defensive replacement, Kay doing his job asked Paul if he thought that was a good decision or if he agreed w/ it. Joe then the next day storms out of his office and Kay is sitting in chair waiting for pregame interviews via MSG, Kay introduces himself and Joe tells him I know who you are and I don’t need you being the Ronna Barrett of this clubhouse (a gossiper)… Micheal told him he wasn’t trying to be Joe walks off…after the game Kay trying to make peace w/ Joe told him he wasn’t trying to set the team against him…Joe told him he didn’t trust him and that he heard he was a Buck Showalter guy and that he would keep his eye on him. Kay snapped back listen I don’t give a …… what you think about I know I’m going to be here long before your gone (at the time he thought he wouldn’t last in NY) and it’s been shaky eversince that.

  47. dave January 26th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    Thank god and its about time. This deal should have been made from the start as andy needed the yanks and the yanks needed him. I would say I am glad andy finally came to his senses but with the details, it seems as though he ma have had no other choice and was forced to sign for less money than originally guaranteed.

    Wow – incentives in a deal. What a concept? The yanks have nothing to lose by signing incentive-laden deals. In fact, all things considered this is far more of a win for the yanks than for pettitte as the yanks were very patient (even though they probably needed another starter rather than wanted one and andy forcing the yanks to wait this long and not sign may have resulted in the yanks just running out of FA options) and pettitte simply did not have any leverage no matter how hard it gave off the appearance that he did. When december turned into january, it became clear to me that andy would have to take whatever the yanks wanted to give him receiving no interest, desiring to stay with the yanks, coming off a real bad year and fabricating other offers.

    The deal does not work in pettitte’s favor and im surprised his pride did not get in the way of him signing a deal this lower than the original offer but it was either take this or retire and everyone who was paying attention had to realize andy simply did not want to retire. In the end, andy may reach the incentives – get his money and the yanks have a stable veteran presence in the rotation giving the yanks the flexibility they desparately need. hUGHES can continue to develop and come up when he is ready, aceves provides the much needed depth for injury and bolsters the pen and kennedy is the eighth man on the totem pole and will only pitch in the MLB if he is just dominating in triple A or if the rotation goes down with multiple injuries at the same time. This is the best way to cap off a solid off season and the yanks are in a fantastic position to overcome almost any bad luck that is thrown their way. i FOR ONE am very happy this deal finally got done and everyone else should be too. WELCOME BACK ANDY!

  48. SRSI January 26th, 2009 at 4:26 pm

    I hope the story that comes out of the Pettite signing was that they both knew he was coming back all along, so they just waited until later in the offseason when all the other business was done to really negotiate. I need to believe in the heroes from the old Yankee teams since it sems like they are dropping like flies.

    I hate the truth in the last post Pete, but good writing none the less.

  49. Khoa January 26th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Locked and loaded! Season can’t come soon enough.

  50. Joe from Long Island January 26th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    I really didn’t think it was going to get done. I had been conditioning myself for weeks not to be disappointed. Glad to see that that prep work was not needed. Though it still appears Andy’s agents didn’t do him any great work here.

    I guess this means Ben Sheets has a little less leverage. Ditto Ollie Perez.

    If the injury bug doesn’t hit too hard, it could be a special season.

  51. Nick in SF January 26th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    “There are teams in MLB who would take the Yankees AAA rotation right now. Hughes, Aceves, Kennedy, Coke and perhaps Alan Horne.”

    Are you forgetting AAA-pitcher-of-the-decade Kei Igawa???

    And won’t Aceves and/or Coke have a shot to be long man/sport starter with the big club? I can’t say anything about Coke, but Mrs. Aceves is already a big league talent.

  52. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    dave,

    Props to you for earlier suggesting an incentive deal could land Pettitte. You took some real BS from posters who lectured you you didn’t understand how the Yanks do things.

    I think you stuck to your guns and my Hat is off to you.

    Now, will you let go of Sheets?

  53. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    I thought the Yanks were trying to turn Coke into a reliever?

  54. m January 26th, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    Coke’s in the bullpen.

  55. Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown January 26th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    I love Joe Torre and what he did for the Yanks, and speaking selfishly,, it’s fun having him our here with the Dodgers. But with this book it sounds like he’s a total sell-out, and it makes you wonder about all those rumors of him being a different, mostly self-interested guy behind the scenes are in fact true.

  56. Johnny D. January 26th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    I don’t know how this is better for Pettitte than a guaranteed 10.5 mil, but I’m really glad he’s back!

  57. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez January 26th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    BTW to continue my last post Micheal Kay said when he does retire he will come out w/ a book of his own shooting back at Torre and what really happened. So stay tuned, his partner LaGreca has already heard the stories and cryptically said if what you told me gets alot of people will change there tune on St.Joe, Kay said he could do it now but he wants to keep it professional while he’s still working.

  58. VIGGY January 26th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    Yankees pitchers 1-5 combined for a life time ERA of 3.46

  59. Brian NYY January 26th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    They asked Coke to prepare as a strater to show Pettite that they were ready to move on without him. Now that he has signed, Coke and Marte will be a dangerous Left-handed combo option out of the ‘pen. I can’t remember the last time the Yankees had 2 legit lefty relievers in the ‘pen.

  60. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez January 26th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    “Now, will you let go of Sheets?”

    No :evil:

  61. Smarter than you January 26th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Pettitte blinked, which is good for both sides.

  62. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez January 26th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Wait that came out wrong.

    No :twisted:

  63. Carl January 26th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    I told you all it would get done. Not surpised.

    I can’t believe how many people get caught up in the chicken games GMs and agents play.

    Same goes for Boston and Varitek. He will and always was going to sign. Expect that announcement this week as well.

  64. Trevor January 26th, 2009 at 4:36 pm

    Every level has a great rotation:

    ML

    Sabathia
    Wang
    Burnett
    Pettitte
    Chamberlain

    AAA
    Hughes
    Kennedy
    Wright
    Horne
    Kontos

    AA
    McAllister
    Garcia
    Dunn
    Pope

    High A
    Betances
    Bleich
    De la Rosa
    Brackman
    Heredia

    Charleston Low A
    Marshall
    Banuelos
    Mitchell

  65. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez January 26th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    “Pettitte admitted his pride was wounded by the pay cut but said in the end he wanted to play for the Yankees again.”

    Wound me please ! Wound me ! But right decision Andy you owe them.

  66. Stanny46 (Phanatic in Training) January 26th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    Finally! Welcome back Andy. Both Andy and his agents look pretty darn stupid, but who cares? I am glad we have the veteran arm as extra insurance.

  67. JWEAV January 26th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Imagine if A.Jackson and Hughes pan out in 2010. And don’t forget about Brackman…Can’t wait!

  68. YankeeRay January 26th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Still 1 more move left boys and girls.

    Pettite signing is like the baptism in the Godfather. Now we can settle all family business.
    In 1 swift move we trade Nady and Matsui and sign Manny. Defer his 09 salary.
    Gammons and nation are devastated. Torre and Dodgers the same and left to sign Abreu.
    Manny and Arod form a great Yankee friendship and rekindle murderers row with Tex.

    Nation booing Tex, Arod and Manny in succession, Priceless.

  69. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez January 26th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Trevor, I feel like Homer Simpson after he ate that baking soda. :lol:

  70. m January 26th, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Brandon,

    Andy doesn’t owe the Yankees anything.

    He’s taking the cut because he wants to pitch for the Yankees.

    He’s doing it because he doesn’t want to retire yet.

  71. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez January 26th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    “Andy doesn’t owe the Yankees anything.”

    Yes he did, end of story.

  72. m January 26th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    Brandon,

    Why? Because you say so?

    Andy don’t owe the Yankees anything. Fixed.

  73. TRex January 26th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

    Message board is a lot more optimistic on Pettitte than it was two days ago when many people said they were through with him. Bottom line is Yanks had an innings gap to fill-last year was a disaster trying to fill innings with prospects. Even this year there will be plenty of innings to be had for Hughes/IPK/Coke/Aceves. Injuries are a bigger part of baseball after PED crack-down.

  74. SJ44 January 26th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Coke was told by the Yankees to be train as a starter.

    Until this year, the Yankees have shunned from doing incentive laden deals for their players.

    Andy’s deal is not what was on the table in December and it isn’t exactly a “friendly deal”.

    When your base is 45% less than originally offered, most teams will be happy doing incentive based deals with you. Those are team friendly deals.

    I bet he’s sorry he didn’t take the guaranteed 10 million.

    Pretty late in your career to be doing these kind of deals.

    Just another example of a player and his agents misreading this market.

  75. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez January 26th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    “Why? Because you say so?”

    Yes.

  76. MYGIRLS January 26th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Is Phil Pavano Hughes injured yet?

  77. Josiah from NC January 26th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Brandon,

    Thanks for the response. I think Joe Torre is really going to regret this book and the backlash from Yankees fans.

  78. m January 26th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Even Pete changed his tune.

    From his first “What about Andy?” post he said the same thing. Andy owes, Andy owes.

    Then his next to last “What about Andy?” post he said neither party owed the other anything.

  79. Sal Cipriano January 26th, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Happy to hear this. It was the right move to make. Pettitte solidifies this rotation perfectly.

  80. Brian NYY January 26th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    MYGIRLS… he’s 22 years old

    get over it!

  81. Nick in SF January 26th, 2009 at 4:44 pm

    Did something happen to Kei Igawa that I didn’t hear about?

    He’s still a paid member of the Yankee organization, no?

  82. Matt January 26th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Thank God. I wish Andy and the Yankees didn’t have to go through all that, but I’m glad it’s over and we got him for another year. Let’s hope he can pitch well enough to get that extra 6.5 million.

  83. Phil January 26th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Who got DFA’d?

  84. Tex's New Best Friend January 26th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Get off of Hughes’ ass already.

  85. Smarter than you January 26th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    MYGIRLS January 26th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    Go Sox!
    ___

    Isn’t that what you actually meant to post?

  86. jennifer January 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    So now do the Yankees go with Melky or Brett as the cf’er?

  87. JoeyA January 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    Matsui is our DH people. nobody wants him and the Yankees aren’t willing to pick up his salary AND pay another guy to DH.

    Trade Nady for BP. Offseason OVER unless somebody calls Cash begging to take a certified centerfielder, which I can’t forsee happening.

  88. CALIBER 09 January 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    I think AJ has great stuff and all, but I think he needs to prove that he can stay healthy and pitch consistent first. With that being said, I think Chien Ming Wang should be slated at the #2 slot for a few reasons. One, he has been our ace. His career stats (not just wins) speaks for itself. Second, it would be nice to give the opposing team a different type of pitcher to worry about by putting Wang’s power sinker, slider in between CC’s and AJ’s nasty fast ball, curve combo. And third, if AJ can not go deep into games, it would help give the bullpen more time to rest.

    I think the rotation is great no matter what the order is. But in my opinion, the optimal rotation order would be:

    Sabathia
    Wang
    Burnett
    Chamberlain
    Pettitte

  89. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez January 26th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    Nick but then who hands out towels for the team ? And who wins the strikeout championship for AAA.

  90. Tom Gaffney January 26th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

    It makes sense. Ideally, I’d love to see what Hughes can do (Bill James projects an excellent year out of him), but with Joba, and Wang coming off injuries and Burnett never a guarantee, Andy offers much needed security

  91. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 26th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    “I wonder what Torre did to Kay?”

    S.A., in Torre’s first season Kay asked him a question about an in-game move he made and asked it in front of players in the clubhouse. Torre took Kay aside and told him not to “FN” every do that to him again. I can imagine those cold eyes staring Kay down. Torre drew the line in the sand rather quickly.

  92. Jeremy January 26th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    This turned out even better for the Yankees than I had expected.

    Andy wasn’t going to leave all that money on the table and the Yankees weren’t going to walk away from the best one-year contract on the market. I’m just surprised Andy’s agents missed the mark so badly with their original demand.

    Bottom line is, if Andy earns the full $12 million, everyone will be happy, and if he crashes and burns, at least the Yankees will save some significant cash. Sounds like a win-win.

    In light of the Torre-Cashman debates going on today, I think this deal is the icing on what’s been a phenomenal offseason for Cashman. The CC-AJ-Teix signings get all the attention, but Cashman also made a terrific trade for Swisher and handled the Pettitte situation perfectly. He’s done everything he can for the team so far. Now it’s up to the players.

  93. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    “Andy’s deal is not what was on the table in December and it isn’t exactly a “friendly deal”.”

    I don’t think anyone here knows the actual details of the reported December offer. For all we know, it was $5MM plus $5MM in incentives. I know $10MM flat was reported, but I don’t think Andy actually confirmed that. If I’m wrong, then fine.

    We also don’t know all the hurdles. It could be he could get to $10MM with significantly less than a full season. I’ll steal a page from miggs’ book and suggest waiting till we know the details.

    But other than Andy and the Yanks’ balance sheet (and SJ44), who cares? My guess is if Andy pitches the whole season he could make $12MM. I’m sure he’ll be OK with that.

  94. MYGIRLS January 26th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    The way Pettitte piched the 2nd half of last season, 5.5mill is Pavano money….UGH. However, between AJ, Hughes, Pettitte, and Wang, combined the Yanks should get 200 innings out of the above

  95. BL-Yankees FAN January 26th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Thank goodness this is done! Welcome back ANDY.

  96. Sal Governale January 26th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    Having Joba sandwiched between two innings eaters like Pettitte and CC is great because it will allow the Yankees to pull Joba early in games if they are winning.

    One way to keep Joba’s innings down is to turn him into a 5-6 inning pitcher. Having the guy before him go deep in games and having the guy after him go deep in games allows for that.

    It’s possible, with being able to skip the 5th starter on occasion and being able to pull Joba early… that he can be the #5 all year long without “missing” starts.

  97. Smarter than you January 26th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    trisha – CC and AJ and Sheets – OH MY! January 26th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    “I wonder what Torre did to Kay?”

    S.A., in Torre’s first season Kay asked him a question about an in-game move he made and asked it in front of players in the clubhouse. Torre took Kay aside and told him not to “FN” every do that to him again. I can imagine those cold eyes staring Kay down. Torre drew the line in the sand rather quickly.
    __

    It had to do with Paul O’Neill being yanked for a defensive replacement in 1996 (Torre was told that Kay was a Showalter guy and thought he was being second guessed). Kay said today that he told Torre that he would be with the Yankees longer than Torre would and that he wouldn’t be intimidated.

    He also said there was off the field stuff that he wouldn’t go into now.

  98. PAT M. January 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Caliber 09….Andy is in the 4 slot….

  99. Wiseman January 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    This certainly shows they have NO fath in Aceves, Hughes or Kennedy. I would have thought they would have gone with the best of the 3 from camp outings. Not sure this is a great move as Pettitte will pitch in pain if needed to earn the incentives.

  100. m January 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    UPDATE, 4:40 p.m.: Cashman said not to expect any more significant moves.

    That means no Manny? Just kidding. Cash said that a high-end pitcher and Tex would be fantasy. And Bubba Crosby would be our CF.

    Seriously. I think this is it. That means no Cameron. TG.

  101. Chase January 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    WELCOME BACK ANDY!

  102. EY January 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    Cashmoney is a genius.

    10mil -> 5.5 mil.

  103. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez January 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    ‘S.A., in Torre’s first season Kay asked him a question about an in-game move he made and asked it in front of players in the clubhouse. Torre took Kay aside and told him not to “FN” every do that to him again. I can imagine those cold eyes staring Kay down. Torre drew the line in the sand rather quickly.’
    ——————————

    According to Micheal Kay.

    In 1996 he had a run in w/ Joe, Joe the previous game took Paul O’neill out of a game for a defensive replacement, Kay doing his job asked Paul if he thought that was a good decision or if he agreed w/ it. It got back to Joe then the next day Joe storms out of his office and Kay is sitting in chair waiting for pregame interviews via MSG, Kay introduces himself and Joe tells him… I know who you are and I don’t need you being the Ronna Barrett of this clubhouse (a gossiper)… Micheal told him he wasn’t trying to be that… Joe walks off…after the game Kay trying to make peace w/ Joe.. told him he wasn’t trying to set the team against him…Joe told him he didn’t trust him and that he heard he was a Buck Showalter guy and that he would keep his eye on him. Kay snapped back listen I don’t give a …… what you think about I know I’m going to be here long before your gone (at the time he thought he wouldn’t last in NY) and it’s been shaky eversince that.

    Micheal Kay said when he does retire he will come out w/ a book of his own shooting back at Torre and what really happened. So stay tuned, his partner LaGreca has already heard the stories and cryptically said if what you told me gets out alot of people will change there tune on St.Joe, Kay said he could do it now but he wants to keep it professional while he’s still working.

  104. dave January 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pm

    Heres a thought:

    The yankee starting depth now stands at Alfredo Aceves, Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, possibly Phil Coke depending on when, and assorted triple A starters. The bench now has the depth provided by Nick Swisher, Jose Molina and competition for the infield and outfield backup positions. The depth for the pen is probably the most stacked of the three believe it or not with an assorted range of highly talented and/or major league proven players. Lets say and this is a toss up that the yanks start the season with some combo of Marte, Bruney, Albadejo, Veras, Ramirez, Robertson and Coke with Aceves and Geise as long-men spot starters in the pen. They still have options like Melancon, Cox, Sanchez, Jackson, Wright, Igawa, Marquez, Whelan, Hacker, claggett and on and on. The bullpen was never a problem last year in depth and it is still the same pen so i dont think anyone really worries about bullpen depth.

    But when was the last time we had a bat off the bench that could hit 30 homers with a 380 obp who could start on any other team in the league? And when was the last time we had two or three starters providing depth some of whom may very well be in a starting rotation on many other teams including our cross-town rivals? The reason I like the pettitte signing so much is not just because pettitte joins our staff which strengthens the rotation but also because the pen is bolstered by allowing almost every other arm in the minors outside of Hughes and Kennedy the ability to jump into the pen if need be. The signing creates a much more well rounded team.

  105. SJ44 January 26th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Wave,

    No, that’s not what we know. We know the December offer was for between 10-10.5 million guaranteed.

    It was reported everywhere. There were no reports of any incentives in that deal.

    Cashman himself said in an interview after the CC/PC, it was a one year offer without incentives for him.

    Let’s not re-visit history.

    You were convinced the Yankees “lowballed” him when they offered 10 million and were convinced he would get offer worth more on the open market.

    That didn’t happen and he now signed for $5.5 in guaranteed money.

    Let’s not try to spin this as some kind of “win” for Andy.

    When you go from 10 million guaranteed to 5.5 with incentives, its not a “win”. He now has to sing for his supper.

    That’s not something that was in place with his last two Yankee contracts or the December offer. Let’s not spin it otherwise because the market bit Andy in the butt.

  106. Smarter than you January 26th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    PAT M. January 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Caliber 09….Andy is in the 4 slot….
    ___

    Slots are meaningless in this rotation beyond CC. If Joba pitches to his ability, is he the #5? No way.

  107. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    m
    January 26th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
    Coke’s in the bullpen.

    ————————————————————

    Wait!!! Has the ghost of Steve Howe returned to pitch for the Yanks?

  108. m January 26th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    Theoretically, Joba’s the #4, but he’ll probably be pitching in the 5th slot.

    Everyone needs to understand that when we call Joba the 5th starter, we know that he’s the #4, but we’re slotting him in the 5th for IP reasons.

  109. Joltin' Joe January 26th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    SJ44

    In your opinion, when Andy agreed did the Yanks say ok but now the deal has changed? Was he that hungry for the extra 2m or did they offer him a choice?

  110. Sal Governale January 26th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    “Slots are meaningless in this rotation beyond CC. If Joba pitches to his ability, is he the #5? No way.”

    Because Joba will be on innings limit, it does matter that Joba is the #5.

    You are correct though. Joba is a #1 on almost every team in baseball once he can go a full season.

  111. VOIII January 26th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Who comes off the 40?

  112. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 26th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Smarter, right. Torre also took him aside and told him not to ever “FN do that to me again…”

  113. Bill Porter January 26th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    Welcome back Andy, glad this is over. Now we can remember him for the decent person he appears to be and not for what we were afraid he was. It wouldn’t seem right to open the new place without him there. Glad this is over.

  114. JWEAV January 26th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    Imagine the pressure on Girardi. If he doesn’t win with this team you can put a fork in him.

  115. EricNS January 26th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    Welcome back Andy – at least this is one sports story that ends well -

  116. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 26th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    lol
    It was the “if what you told me gets out a lot of people will change there tune on St.Joe” stuff that I was wondering about. I heard him talk about the O’Neil/you’re Buck’s Boy stuff.

    But thanks everyone! :)

  117. trisha - CC and AJ and Sheets - OH MY! January 26th, 2009 at 5:01 pm

    SJ is right. Sherman had reported that the Yankees had removed their $10 million dollar deal when Teixera was signed and were going to be offering less.

    It’s obvious that Andy overplayed his hand and it seems apparent that there was never any other team interested in him. I think Andy decided that he wasn’t ready to retire and went back where the only offer existed. And was forced to take less.

  118. dave January 26th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    “I hope the story that comes out of the Pettite signing was that they both knew he was coming back all along, so they just waited until later in the offseason when all the other business was done to really negotiate.”

    SRSI,

    They can say this until they are blue in the face but no one with even a quanta of common sense would believe it. First, all other business has been done for quite some time. Second, the constant stories in the media in the last three months gave no indication that the deal was even close or that andy would ever re-sign until earlier this week or even today. Third, where in the world did the 10 mil number number come from that has been bouncing around all off-season if this was the deal from the start. Believe whatever you want but if the organization tries to play this off as though they knew all along andy was coming back, they are only fooling themselves and the precious few yankee fans who would rather remain ignorant and content than informed and slightly annoyed by the whole thing but already over it.

  119. Sal Governale January 26th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    what happens if, in the team’s best interests, they decide to skip some of Andy’s starts (either to keep Andy fresh for the playoffs, to get Hughes a few starts, etc) ?

    Will Andy respond well to that if it costs him $$? Will Girardi make the right decision for the team or will he be somewhat impacted by Andy’s new incentive-laden deal?

  120. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    I’m guessing that a trade is close with the Pettitte signing. On the bubble would be one of Swisher/Nady, along with Ramirez and Veras.

  121. CALIBER 09 January 26th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

    I guess the Yankees interest in Freddy Garcia really lit a fire under Andy Pettitte’s butt. Do you guys actually believe in the end, “all he wanted was to be a Yankee” OR, perhaps him and his agent greatly misjudged the market and came to grips with reality? I’m just wondering.

    Bottom line, I think it’s the right move for both camps. We have a great rotation going into next season.

  122. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez January 26th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    “Smarter, right. Torre also took him aside and told him not to ever “FN do that to me again…” ”

    It’s more than that apparently Joe did something to him that he is not going to talk about right now, but he said that act alone showed him he holds grudges. So he did something to Kay even after the line was drawn and things were forgotten in 96′.

  123. SJ44 January 26th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    The 10 million dollar guaranteed, one year deal went off the table after Teixeira signed.

    This deal is an entirely new agreement.

    In most cases, unless the player has an all star kind of year, they never hit all the incentives in their deal.

    My guess would be if he hits the doable incentives in the deal, he will get to 10 million. If he goes over and above performance-wise, he gets to 12 million.

    Bottom line though, his guarantee, what players call “known money”, went from 16 million in 2008 to 5.5 million in 2009.

    That’s a big hit and an indication of just how tight the market is for the players that are still on the market right now.

  124. Smarter than you January 26th, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    # Sal Governale January 26th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    Because Joba will be on innings limit, it does matter that Joba is the #5.

    You are correct though. Joba is a #1 on almost every team in baseball once he can go a full season.
    __

    But because Joba has an innings cap, he can be deployed as needed to pitch against other teams’ #2, #3, #4, or #5, if he is pitching well, and he starts are skipped, so he’s not the prototypical #5 in any meaningful sense.

    More importantly, when the playoffs roll around, he may even be used as the #2 starter.

    Of course, all of the foregoing is dependent on him not being shifted to the pen.

  125. m January 26th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    Sal,

    I don’t think they’d do that. They’re bringing Andy back to eat up innings because Joba and Phil can’t.

    But Andy will be motivated, as well as he should be. He’s not a $5.5M pitcher, no matter what bitter fans say.

  126. Sal Governale January 26th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    “Do you guys actually believe in the end, “all he wanted was to be a Yankee””

    I absolutely believe he only wanted to be a Yankee. He is aware of his legacy and I truly believe he wants to end his career with (at least) one more WS ring in pinstripes.

  127. Rick James January 26th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Just wondering if you are going to link the call up on the blog afterwards, Pete?

    thanks

  128. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez January 26th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    Alex’s beef w/ Joe Torre got worse after he read in SI how he was spinning his wedding ring and when that got out he said there were only two people in that room, me and Joe and eversince that he lost respect and never trusted Joe again.

  129. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    SJ44,

    What the Yanks did was the definition of lowballing, IMO. Sometimes you win when you do that. Perhaps the Yanks did.

    I’m less convinced that we get the straight story all the time on these offers than you are. It wouldn’t be in Andy’s interest to deny the reports, would it? But maybe you are correct, I don’t know.

    But that’s not the point. Most of us thought an incentive deal was not in the cards. I didn’t think so, Pete didn’t think so, and you certainly didn’t think so, as you said many times.

    I can’t figure out why you seem to care so much what Andy might make, or whether Andy made a mistake or not. Who cares what the Yanks’ pay him? What are you the Yanks PR department? What’s important to me, and always was important to me, is that the Yanks signed him.

    Despite your protestations earlier, I don’t think you wanted them to sign Andy, and I think this is where all your schadenfraude is coming from with respect to Pettitte.

  130. SJ44 January 26th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    Sal,

    That’s why teams like the Yankees have been loathe to do incentive laden deals.

    Girardi and Pettitte are very close friends. I don’t think Andy will put up a stink if Girardi needs to skip him or anything like that.

    However, your point is important. Its a big reason why the Yankees have been leery about doing these kind of deals. It can create major issues within the clubhouse.

    I think this is one instance where the character of the player, and his closeness to the manager, played a role in working out this type of deal.

  131. PAT M. January 26th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    Smarter than you ??? Jobe will pitch behind someone who will offer innings…This will save the bullpen from an extra days work…That’s why AJ will throw after CC….Are you really that smart or just not a knowledgable …..

  132. Mark in Tampa January 26th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    Good deal for the Yanks. If they have to pay him the $12M, it is because he did what they expect out of him-the kind of expectations they had when they paid him 16 last year. If he is unhealthy and unproductive, they won’t be on the hook for near as much.

  133. Sal Governale January 26th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    “Of course, all of the foregoing is dependent on him not being shifted to the pen.”

    I cannot see him EVER going to the pen except in an emergency situation or in the playoffs (like Mussina did, Pedro against Cleveland, etc).

    The front office has correctly identified Joba as a staff ace (Hank specifically called him “our Josh Beckett”).

    So unless Joba gets injured and it’s clear that for medical reasons he is best suited in the pen, I pray we never see it.

  134. Doreen January 26th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    You know, as curious as I am (can’t help it, I’m human) to know the dirty little details of the Kay/Torre feud, I really am NOT looking forward to such a book. It’s pointless, really. I guess everyone needs to get their digs and their revenge and make a little extra on the side, right?

  135. dave January 26th, 2009 at 5:08 pm

    Wave,

    Thanks – yea, remember that post about how i knew nothing about how the organization worked when i mentioned signing pettitte to an incentive laden deal. Then, i brought up melky’s bonuses and the two were completely different. Ohhhh, the arrogance in this blog is astounding sometimes. Sheets is long off my radar at this point – we dont need him and we have no room for him on the 40 man. Who even knows what he is getting after those supposedly “new medical reports” came out that were probably as bogus as the reports from early january? If you didnt notice, i kind of shyed away from sheets very subtly after those other reports came out and all of a sudden there were rumors that his interest had skyrocketed.

    i liked his for one year and 6 mil and no more and thought at one point, the yanks could have gotten him for that. But we dont need him with pettitte aboard – i think we have the depth capable to overcome anything that comes our way and thats all i wanted. Pettitte for 5.5 mil and incentives is probably better than whatever sheets gets anyway as I was assuming andy would at least get 10 guaranteed before today. You also have to admit that i was dead on about andy having no leverage as well – look at the contract he signed. That reeks of a lack of leverage on AP’s part no?

  136. Sal Governale January 26th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    “I think this is one instance where the character of the player, and his closeness to the manager, played a role in working out this type of deal.”

    good point SJ44. With another type of player, I can see how an incentive based deal could create some real problems.

  137. Sean Serritella January 26th, 2009 at 5:10 pm

    I don’t think Andy is going to work out. I don’t think he’ll pitch well this year.

  138. Nick in SF January 26th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    In what other common phrases is the word “laden” used?

    “I had a beer-laden evening.”

    “It was another lapdance-laden trip to Stiletto.”

    “Arod had another hit-laden game as his magical 2009 continued.”

  139. Brandon (CC/AJ/Marky Mark..Sheets ?) Now batting #6 Alex Rodriguez January 26th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    “You know, as curious as I am (can’t help it, I’m human) to know the dirty little details of the Kay/Torre feud, I really am NOT looking forward to such a book. It’s pointless, really. I guess everyone needs to get their digs and their revenge and make a little extra on the side, right?”

    Yup. I wouldn’t want to see this either but to hold 12 – 13 yrs. in which I don’t fully believe but if it is I wouldn’t blame him. And I don;t like Kay at all, I wanted Milton Bradley here just for him and Sterling.

  140. Sal Governale January 26th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    “Ohhhh, the arrogance in this blog is astounding sometimes.”

    Didn’t you say the Yankees should give Andy $12M guaranteed as recently as a few days ago?

    Look, I think 99% of us got the result we all wanted – Andy back in pinstripes!

    I really believe this deal is a great compromise. No need for people to be taking credit because they accurately predicted the terms of this deal. That’s just silly.

  141. Wiseman January 26th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    Waste of a spot and money, not that Cashman cares as he has $200MM to spend and then acts like he is the smartest guy in the room. Give Hughes the ball every 5th day.

  142. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    “You also have to admit that i was dead on about andy having no leverage as well – look at the contract he signed. That reeks of a lack of leverage on AP’s part no?”

    Guess he didn’t have as much as I thought he did, but that’s all water over the dam, as they say. On the other hand, the Yanks didn’t let him go, either. I’m just glad he’s on the team. I hope he earns every penny of his incentives as that means he will have done the job for us.

  143. Tom January 26th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    who was taken off the 40 man?

  144. Sal Governale January 26th, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    “I’m just glad he’s on the team. I hope he earns every penny of his incentives as that means he will have done the job for us.”

    Cheers to that.

  145. SJ44 January 26th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Wave,

    As with your belief on Pettitte’s market value throughout this process, you are wrong about my beliefs about wanting him back on the team.

    I just didn’t want him at any cost. He’s not CC Sabathia. a guy the Yankees had to have at any cost. At this point of his career, he’s a back end of the rotation guy and he should be paid accordingly.

    How much you pay players for their roles on the team matters. It affects how much the Yankees have to pay the league in revenue sharing, how much flexibility they have to upgrade the team during the season, etc.

    You wanted him back at any cost. I didn’t.

    Now, since he took a major hit, you now want to spin with the “we really don’t know what was going on”.

    That’s not true. A lot of people knew what was going on.

    Reporters, agents, industry people, etc. It wasn’t a big secret that Andy didn’t have a large market for his services. Nor was it a big secret as to what he turned down in December.

    He got signed and he took a major hit to get signed.

    If he had December to do all over again, I bet he would have taken the 10 million guaranteed.

    It worked out well for the Yankees in the end and that’s all that matters to me.

  146. Paddy R January 26th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    good job by the yankees here. i’ll believe no more moves are coming when i see it(!). but i would think we are ready to go to spring training at this point. what a winter.

  147. Sal Governale January 26th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    “Waste of a spot and money, not that Cashman cares as he has $200MM to spend and then acts like he is the smartest guy in the room.”

    If Cashman blew the CC and Tex deal you’d be ripping him too. I really believe that many GM’s would have messed up those deals and the Steinbrenners would have an extra $200M and a ton of unhappy fans. Is that what you wanted?

  148. ... January 26th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    Andy signing is great news to hear on this New Year’s Day

  149. Nick in SF January 26th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    New thread on this news-laden day —–>

  150. Jeff January 26th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    I’m really glad the Yankees signed Pettitte for 2009. I think it only increases their chances of playing deep into October.

    Here’s an interesting note: Pettitte had a 4.54 ERA last year. However, if you take out five starts — just five — he’s left with a 3.42 ERA (I took out his starts from June 7th against Kansas City, July 3rd against Boston, July 31st against Los Angeles, August 26th against Boston, and August 31st against Toronto. So, with all the slack Pettitte has taken about his sub-par 2008 season, he posted an ERA in the low-to-mid three’s for 28 of his 33 starts last year. That’s pretty darn good in my book.

  151. CALIBER 09 January 26th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Hey just an interesting thought about the Yankees off season moves so far. Imagine if everything did NOT work out? If they did not get their major free agent targets? Maybe we would be talking about our new Yankees:

    Lowe
    Sheets
    Freddy Garcia
    Manny Ramirez

    instead of:

    Sabathia
    Burnett
    Pettitte (resigned)
    Teixeira

    Just imagine that!

  152. Fran January 26th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Kay also said that when he had this spat with Torre he told Torre that he would be around the Yankees a lot longer than Joe. And he was right.

  153. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    SJ44, you didn’t want Andy at all. Do I have to quote your post from 11:12AM this morning?

    You have harped over and over about how Andy was making a mistake, how the Yanks were going to make him take less than $10MM. Who cares what he’s offered? He’s not costing us another player. Plus, if he pitches the year out, he will get the $12MM evidently, so the Yanks will have paid the money.

    I wanted the Yanks to sign Andy. Yes, I thought it would cost them over $10MM. My guess is that in the end, it will. But I don’t care, a few million dollars either way on a one year deal. It doesn’t affect what the Yanks do at all, and it sure doesn’t affect me.

  154. Leftjab January 26th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    Now that Pettitte’s locked down as the #4 starter, it’s time to trade Swisher to Atlanta for Prado and Cano to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp to address the CF problem.

  155. dave January 26th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    “This certainly shows they have NO fath in Aceves, Hughes or Kennedy. I would have thought they would have gone with the best of the 3 from camp outings. Not sure this is a great move as Pettitte will pitch in pain if needed to earn the incentives.”

    Wiseman,

    Can you not see that this was crucial for the depth of the starting rotation? This does not show no faith in those three. It shows that hughes and kennedy are NOT ready which is true and aceves should be a backup and joba replacement perhaps and not in the starting rotation relied upon for a full season of work. Joba has an innings limit so it was important to have four guys in front of him that could each have the ability to throw 200 innings.

    Especially with the risk AJ brings to the table. Eventually, hughes will be in the rotation but he is not quite ready and why rush him when you do not have to? They did that last year and his career took a turn for the worst because of it. Time to get the prize prospect back on track. If hughes is handled properly, he can be as good as or better than joba. Pettitte pitched thru pain last year and severely hurt the team because of it – girardi wont let him do that again esp not with the three we have in front of him and the quaity depth we have supporting him. The yanks will pull him if he is inneffective and wont let him lose just so he can earn more money. You should be happy about this deal – it puts the yanks in much better shape to win and overcome bad luck. There is no reason to complain.

  156. Wiseman January 26th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    Cashman has a BIG headstart over other GM’s in his payroll. He said last year he would build his staff with youth. Then he buys it. I am fine with Aceves, Hughes and IPK fighting it out for #5. I find it a lot easier to root for the young guys then a phoney like Pettitte who will be paid 20 times what these other guys make. If he wins 14 games they will say it was a great season yet at the expense of maybe 3 younger guys.

  157. dave January 26th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

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  158. Smarter than you January 26th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    PAT M. January 26th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    Smarter than you ??? Jobe will pitch behind someone who will offer innings…This will save the bullpen from an extra days work…That’s why AJ will throw after CC….Are you really that smart or just not a knowledgable …..
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    Pat gets personal. Nice.

    You’re thinking is a little intractable about this, Pat. Is Joba going to skip starts? If the answer is yes, then the starter that he pitches behind will likely shift at various points in the season.

    If another starter gets hurt or is skipped due to a rainout, the slots qua slots wont’ be fixed.

    Joba is a unique talent. To merely designate him as the #5 starter when in fact his innings cap can afford Girardi the flexability to choose the match ups that he wants for him, is to look at this situation in a mutilatingly narrow way.

    btw, If Wang proves to be more effective and more durable than AJ, how long do you think that he will he the #3?

    Seriously, Pat.

  159. Jeremy January 26th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    Signing a veteran pitcher who is a good bet for 200 IP and a league-average ERA to a reasonable one-year deal is a no-brainer, and yet you can still find someone to bash it.

    The last thing we need to worry about this year is getting Hughes, Kennedy, and Aceves into the rotation.

  160. Thurman Munson January 26th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    This is a good signing. With Burnett, Pettite and Joba injury history, the other young kids will get their opportunities.

    Now, Brian Cashman, will you please take a flyer on Griffey Jr. to play CF? He doesn’t want money because he is still getting paid big $$ from Cincy. Why not take a chance on him and have Melky or Gardner come in for defense late in games?

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  162. dave January 26th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Wiseman,

    You complain about a cheap incentive laden deal because you dont like the incentives and then, you complain about the guaranteed money being too high? 5.5 million for a pitcher than will almost guaranteed you 200 innings is a small price to pay for the luxury of significant depth. TRUST ME, HUGHES WILL GET HIS CHANCE! as will aceves. They will both be in the rotation at some point next season. Injuries happen every year, AJ has never pitched 200 inning consecutive seasons and he is 32, is he going to start now? Plus, joba will have to be replaced at some point probably after 130 innings so he can pitch through the playoffs. We have the depth to make sure we have a suitable replacement for joba so we dont have to push him to 180 innings next year and have his arm fall of the following season all because we are giving pettitte 5.5 to 12 mil. That is worth it. I repeat, i guarantee you hughes and aceves will both have their time to shine next year. If kennedy deserves it, he will probably be up too at some point. No one is blocking any one from a rotation spot. All this move does is ensure that we have reiable pitchers pitching every game.

  163. Wave Your Hat January 26th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    What about Jim Edmonds?

  164. GreenBeret7 January 26th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Aceves and Coke will fill in the spots for Chamberlain, and probably a start or two for Burnett and Pettitte, in order to keep them fresh and healthy down the stretch. It makes zero sense to pitch two guys back to back that will increase/overtax the bullpen, two days in a row.

  165. Al from BK(19 days til Spring Training!) January 26th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Good deal for the Yanks. Barring injury(which is tough to do) this rotation might be an all-time Yankees rotation. I can’t remember the last time the Yankees had 5 above average starters.

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  167. PAT M. January 26th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Smarter than You…sorry about being rude and snippy….By the way, who is this Jerome Ave # 4 train from the other day ???? Once again Smarter than you, sorry about that….+

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  170. ANSKY January 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    OK now I can see the reasoning behind some folks casting Pettitte off for whatever reason.

    I can also see reasoning that he should have been offered far more than the original $10M guaranteed contract.

    My thoughts were a fair guaranteed amount he’d still get even if he faltered, with reachable incentives for innings & wins, but the amounts were different. Honestly I have no strong opinion on the amounts especially now that he’s signed. I haven’t even read the details yet. If both sides think its fair with the incentives, then I guess its fair.

    Whatever anyone’s opinion was … well … whatever.

    So …. has anybody who cast him off a few weeks ago on any kind of moral grounds find themselves suddenly endorsing his return?

    Anyone who insisted he was worth far more than the ‘insulting’ $10M guaranteed offer find themselves saying he got a good deal now?

    Anyone who blasted his struggles down the stretch in ’08 find themselves calling him a consummate gamer again?

    etc, etc, etc … ???

  171. dave January 26th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    In the end, when pettitte realized he was not getting an offer that even matched the yanks from any other team or maybe even no other offers at all, he realized he wanted to come back to the yanks. I dont care as long as he came back but please, please do not get on stage and proceed to blatantly lie to our faces as i THINK he has done that enough to us over the past year. Just say it was a difficult off season but now its over and your happy your back. if they ask about the off season – you can say it was a private matter or i just didnt have my head on straight for a little bit or i was going through a rough time handling a pay cut. Nothing about in the end, i realized i wanted to be a yankee again and the paycut did not matter to me anymore – people will see right through that comment.

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    Smarter than You…sorry about being rude and snippy….By the way, who is this Jerome Ave # 4 train from the other day ???? Once again Smarter than you, sorry about that….+
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    Pat tries to diss me soto voce…

    Please don’t cast provably false aspersions.

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