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“Truth Or Consequences, New Mexico, you’re next with Joe Torre!”

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 30, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

According to the info button on my cable, Larry King’s guest on CNN tonight is “Author Joe Torre.”

Author? The late, great John Updike was an author. Torre is a guy who told a few stories to somebody else and cashed a check.

At any rate, I’ll be watching Friday Night Lights. I’m much more concerned with Coach Taylor and the Panthers than seeing Larry King yuck it up with Torre.

UPDATE, 11:14 p.m.: The Associated Press reported on the interview and there doesn’t seem to have been much of substance. There certainly wasn’t an apology.

“I was just letting people know what goes into the decision-making, and I think I did that without violating any confidences,” Torre said after he talked to King.

UPDATE, 11:31 p.m.: Sports Illustrated.com released an interview with Tom Verducci tonight. Alex Belth conducted the Q&A and does a good job.

Kudos to Doubleday, which handled the publicity masterfully. The mainstream media and even bloggers have been puppets all week. There’s been a ruckus based on a few passages in a 477-page book.

I still don’t think Torre should have betrayed confidences. But this will be a 24-hour story in spring training. The veteran players will say they either didn’t read the book or that they don’t care and that will be that.

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287 Responses to ““Truth Or Consequences, New Mexico, you’re next with Joe Torre!””

  1. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    Pete how can you not watch it? At least dvr it.

  2. Peter Abraham January 30th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    Jennifer:

    I have to tell you, I’m sick of the whole thing. I’m getting the transcripts e-mailed to me and I’ll read them then. I had a long day and I’d rather relax then parse the words of somebody who is no longer the manager of the team I cover.

  3. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    Okay, at least if you’ll read transcripts.

    I doubt it will be a hard hitting interview, and they’ll probably just have callers who will kiss his butt.

  4. Laura - Welcome back, Andy! January 30th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    I’m taping it and will watch it when I have nothing else to do. My estimation is that will be sometime in 2010.

  5. DT January 30th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    I hope Clemens calls in from Texas. It would be a ringing endorsement.. lol

    “Hey Skip, I’m in your corner – when in doubt plead the 5th”

  6. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    DT- He can say he misremembered saying anything in the book.

  7. Stephen January 30th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    “Suzyn from Westchester, you’re on the air.”

  8. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    OH MY goodness gracious Joe Torre is on the Larry King show. Oh my god you would not believe it!

  9. trisha January 30th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    I actually have great respect for Pete for not watching it jen. I think this says it all.

    “I’m much more concerned with Coach Taylor and the Panthers than seeing Larry King yuck it up with Torre.”

  10. Horace Clarke January 30th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    Does Scott Boras announce the Yankees signing of Manny at halftime on Sunday or during the pregame?

    Pete- are you really watching to see what Coach Taylor does or Minka Kelly?

    Actually i’m watch FNL as well, i agree with Peter, i’m tired of hearing about this whole Torre thing already.

  11. trisha January 30th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    E! has the 20 Best and Worst Celebrity Plastic Surgery Storeis. Any port in a storm!

    :D

  12. randy l January 30th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    doreen-
    WAKE UP!!!

  13. DT January 30th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    I have to watch it. I have money on the over/under of the number of times Larry holds up the book.

    Those CNN prop bets suck me in every time.

  14. trisha January 30th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Or FXHD has The Mummy Returns. Oh wait. Maybe that’s the Larry King show!

  15. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Has “Friday Night Lights” always been shown on Friday nights? Isn’t a good chunk of the people who would be most interested in that show otherwise engaged on Friday nights? I don’t get scheduling, sometimes.

  16. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Larry time

  17. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Someone call in and ask him why he is a Fraud. Joe looks very comfortable.

    #1

  18. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Dr. Dave, from Grenada Medical University, Caribbean, GO

  19. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    It isn’t a slam of NY? Okay keep drinking your green tea.

    Oh he was careful of how he told the story, Don’t make us out to be fools.

  20. trisha January 30th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Okay see y’all later. I don’t even want to see your comments on the show, those of you who are watching.

    It’s 48 Hours for me. (insert your own joke here)

  21. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Keeps looking down, he a liar!!

  22. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    “read the book” drinking game anyone?

  23. Phil January 30th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    He’s lying left and right.

  24. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    It added personality to it? So you pick players you think/know fans dislike, and tell us stories about them.

    He is relieved to be gone from NY? So than why would you come back for another 2 years?

    Not answering the code question! Talking about Boomer instead. So Larry being the senile old man he is won’t answer.

  25. trisha January 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    trisha
    January 30th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
    “ha, trisha, I’m old fashioned, but I prefer it when you go off on a rant and insult me by name to the subtle-insult-followed-by-the-passive-aggressive-smiley-face route. But to each her own.”

    I don’t think I was referring to you at all in anything I said so maybe you can explain what the heck you’re talking about here? Thanks!

    And maybe an apology is in order for accusing me of something I didn’t do?

    Thanks again!

  26. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    “A piece of history”? “The History Of The World, Part I and Part II” has more history in it.

  27. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    When he says that he and Wells respect each other professionally, does he mean as baseball people or as authors?

  28. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Oh so he is clearing the air for us about Kevin Brown, has anyone on here given even a thought about Kevin. Make me sick.

    Didn’t answer the code question.

  29. Phil January 30th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    Dear Lord, King just said “Joe Torre has hit a homerun with this new book, it’s a runaway best seller.”

  30. DT January 30th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    good catch Jennifer. He dodged that question like a true Dodger.

  31. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    DT- And since Larry is 5,000 years old he didn’t notice.

  32. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    trisha, if I was wrong, of course, full apology. Heck, full apology anyway. Don’t sweat it.

  33. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    I think Joe went to Hair Club for Men, looks like he has more hair.

  34. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Oh Goodie-Let’s talk about Alex now

  35. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    He can’t disagree with his quotes? No really you said them!

  36. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    I need some alcohol.

  37. trisha January 30th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Nick, I thanked you for the information because I didn’t know Pete explained himself before.

    Then I apologized to him.

    Actually simple and straightforward stuff.

    Apology accepted.

  38. Old(but wise)YanksFan January 30th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    “Alex is a special guy… the most talented in baseball.”

  39. Old(but wise)YanksFan January 30th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    “The A-Fraud thing was more of a joking type thing…. right there in front of him… not said behind his back”

  40. Andrea January 30th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    jennifer: true story. He’s got a bit more hair.

  41. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    asking about A-Rod’s divorce? Why?

  42. trisha January 30th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Okay, now I am truly out for a while. It will make me crazy to see your posts merely verifying what I absolutely knew would be the snow job of the year from the blow job of the year.

    Yep, I said it.

    :)

    Later y’all. 48 Hours is pretty good tonight.

    XOX

  43. Donnie Baseball 23 January 30th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    Bowa said to his face not Torre. So Torre called him A-FRAUD in a book and not to his face. So hes not jk then right

  44. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    SA- Good question, he has nothing to do with the garbage that is in his book.

  45. you gotta have faith (pettite where art thou?) January 30th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    SA,
    i said the same thing, i was like what the hell does AROD being with madonna have to do with anything?

  46. Joe Schmoe January 30th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    Joe torre is a bum.. he didnt say much about manny just now because he is waiting to put it into the next book he writes.. i hope this guy gets booed when he comes to NY.. I am glad he has wrote this book because it has ruined any talk about joe torre and what he would have done if he had the team.. this guy is a coward

  47. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    It’s not that bad, so far.

    I do wonder if he’s saying what he thinks he’s supposed to say, though.

  48. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    Now he’s talking about Rodriguez divorcing his wife and leaving his kids. The 3 times married guy how left his kids. Four kids by three wives. Who does he thing he is…Shawn Kemp?

  49. Old(but wise)YanksFan January 30th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    trisha – you are blinded by your hatred.
    There is no snow job (yet).

  50. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    Make sure you leave my Derek Jeter alone. OOOO tough hitting comments. Of course Joe will leave Joe alone you MORON!

  51. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    I was wondering about that bit with ARod/Madonna too. Really why bring that up? Its happened since Torre left, and there is no reason to bring that up at all, really.

    But thats Larry the Cryptkeeper for ya.

  52. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    I think Trisha suffers from Blennophobia.

  53. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    Now he’s talking about Rodriguez divorcing his wife and leaving his kids. The 3 times married guy ***who*** left his kids. Four kids by three wives. Who does he ***think*** he is…Shawn Kemp?

  54. Yankee Trader January 30th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    ” I didn’t burn any bridges.”

    Wanna bet Joe!!

  55. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    “I don’t think there was any sensitive material that was in there that I felt shouldn’t have been in there.”

    What!?!?!?

  56. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    Well, Randy l -

    I am awake and I am watching.

    Now I MUST read the book, because his tone in the interview is nothing like the tone of the excerpts.

    He is certainly speaking more kindly – the book excerpt about ARod/AFraud did not make it sound like it was a joke/not behind his back. His live commentary made it sound innocuous.

  57. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.....ent-104495

    Posted a question it is awaiting moderation. It won’t be posted or answered.

  58. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    My observations exactly, GB7. Kinda like asking Liz Taylor the same question, isn’t it?

  59. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Moncala January 30th, 2009 6:36 pm ET

    I am a life long Yankee fan. After you so much success and rewards, don’t you think that it is a bit tackie to burn you bridges now? Just make sure you leave my Dereck Jeeter alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    PS, I still love you.

    —————–

    Doesn’t even know how to spell Derek Jeter, CNN must have had some idiot intern post the question.

  60. DT January 30th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt. The bridges comment was true Torrean.

  61. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    In fairness, he did not bring up Alex’s divorce, Larry did. Larry shouldn’t have. And I thought Torre answered it fine – he didn’t really say anything except it’s sad because he has 2 kids.

  62. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    jennifer
    January 30th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
    I need some alcohol.

    ————————————————————

    What for? Disinfectant or just to get bombed?

  63. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    Oh please Joe is such a fraud!

  64. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    Joe-I don’t think you will be getting a birthday card from Alex

  65. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    GreenBeret7

    To get bombed. :lol: This interview is making me so angry.

  66. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    I wonder if Johnny Damon feels that way about there being nothing that was too sensitive in there.

    Hmmm.

  67. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    # Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    “I don’t think there was any sensitive material that was in there that I felt shouldn’t have been in there.”

    What!?!?!?
    —————————–
    Ask Johnny Damon what he thinks.

  68. Betsy January 30th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Not interested in watching it. Joe presumably told “the truth” in “the book”, so whatever he says now is spin.

  69. Yankee Trader January 30th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    You did need motivation, Joe!!

  70. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Remind them of the bonuses you got for post season appearances, Joe.

  71. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    No, Larry – the Yankees have talked about doing that – they haven’t actually done it.

    Sheesh, do your homework before you interview someone, Cryptkeeper.

  72. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    He is selectively retracing it.

  73. Donnie Baseball 23 January 30th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    This book is doing nothing but hurting your legacy and making ur pockets heavy..

  74. Betsy January 30th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    Maybe Joe will explain why he trashed a good man like Cash………and ruined a friendship. By most accounts, Cash is devastated and, frankly, who wouldn’t be? The great thing is that Cash has a ton of friends in the game and I truly believe that they all have his back. That is, I seriously doubt Theo, Billy Beane, Kevin Towers, etc…..believe a word that is written in this book.

  75. alvaro espinoza's hipster frames January 30th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    clear eyes full hearts can’t lose

  76. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    In the excerpts, he said he felt not trusted; in this interview he says, no, that wasn’t really it. Okay.

  77. DT January 30th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    Listening Torre explain things – I have one question –
    Did HE read the book?

  78. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    Was Torre saying the decrease in pay and the incentives upset him? I thought he said before it was really the years that was the issue for him? (I wasn’t paying attention so forgive me)
    I need a drink :P

  79. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    DT January 30th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    Listening Torre explain things – I have one question –
    Did HE read the book?

    =================================================

    LOL

  80. Betsy January 30th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Doreen, the man is a master with the media. Do not believe what he says, believe what he wrote. LOL at the A-Fraud thing being a joke. He didn’t say THAT in the book – he must have gotten coached by Larry Bowa before coming on the air. Joe WANTS you to believe that he didn’t mean anything by his comments – phooey. He had plenty of time to make changes to the manuscript if he didn’t want certain parts included. The stuff in the book, including the leaked excerpts, are there because he wanted to say that out loud, to the world.

  81. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    He hasn’t touched any of the untouchable players.

    Not a surprise, I guess. Considering that they haven’t been mentioned on the book.

    Ugh, back to ARod again.

  82. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Yeah…You’re off-base, Joe.

  83. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Yeah…You’re off-base, Joe.

  84. Andrea January 30th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    I kind of don’t believe anything that Joe is saying.

    Regardless of whether or not he thinks that this is sensitive material, he contradicted himself. You don’t tell your players that what happens in the clubhouse stays in the clubhouse and then write a book about the clubhouse.

  85. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    T comes before V

    :roll:

  86. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    “My name comes before his because T comes before V”

    What?!?!?!?!

  87. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Gary January 30th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

    Hey Joe how does it feel to not be sleeping for this long?? I hope you enjoy your green tea out in LA and hope to see you in the world series so we can beat your brains in.

    ——————————————–

    :lol: That is a great entry!

  88. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    DT
    January 30th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
    Listening Torre explain things – I have one question –
    Did HE read the book?

    ————————————————————

    Torre doesn’t like fiction.

  89. Andrea January 30th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Nick in SF: He’s trying to imply that this book is equally written by him and Verducci. So half of the –blame– credit should go to Verducci.

  90. Betsy January 30th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Ugh, my comment didn’t post. Doreen, Joe is a master with the media. Don’t believe what he says, believe what he wrote. He had plenty of time to make changes to the manuscript. What remains in the book is in the book because Joe wanted it in there.

    I assume from reading the comments here that Joe still does not “get” why revealing private information about players (even those he didn’t like – and that makes it worse, for me anyway) is wrong?

  91. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Could Brian Cashman have done more to save Torre’s job?

    Yes.

    Does Cashman regret not having done more?

    No.

  92. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Well that was an interesting observation re: Cash and the difference in how he handled things when he got autonomy.

    I can’t say that it would surprise me that once that happened it changed the way he handled things. Makes perfect sense.

  93. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    I’ll want to see if he says anywhere in the book that Brian had “saved his bacon” a couple of times.

  94. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    A gift from Frank Mcourt a Dodger cup. WOW big spenders.

  95. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Yuck, was that cup clean?

    Though the cup probably has more to worry about touching Larry’s lips than vice versa.

  96. Betsy January 30th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Nick, I disagree. What more should Cash have done ? Not only did he likely think it was time for a change, but he had to protect his own job as well. Joe had no business throwing Cash under the bus like this, but what a surprise – the man takes no responsibility for his own failures.

  97. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    Okay, that T/V thing was a bit of a lame explanation.

    The T comes first because

    1. He was paid more.
    2. The V coming first wouldn’t help selling as many books.

    Okay, that was a stupid, predictable question from that dude.

  98. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    Mr. Joe seems more confused than Larry.
    Oh this is just fantastic :roll:

  99. Adam January 30th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    I’m shocked by everyone’s reactions to this book. By no means am I agreeing with what he did, but this guy reintroduced the Yankees to the term “dynasty.” It would take a lot more than this to turn my back on Torre or even consider booing him. Most of us have no idea what really goes on in the clubhouse. It seems as though the general information (Arod’s lack of chemistry w/ some teammates, Jeter’s quiet leadership and devotion to team, etc) leads people to form their own conclusions. While I may argue that Joe should not have written this book, I doubt he would lie.

    Note: I’m not watching Larry King, so I can’t account for w/e he’s saying.

  100. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Again Joe doesn’t answer the question.

  101. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    And he looks very uncomfortable.

  102. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Now that called-in question, was a better question.

    At least it was a bit more challenging.

  103. Old(but wise)YanksFan January 30th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    … most of the book was Verducci talking
    … this interview is Joe, Live on tape, preserved forever. It has more weight then the book
    … Larry is NOT being ‘mean or hard’ but is asking real questions. No softball.

    It is not surprising that so many people here have made up their mind before hearing any facts (just sensational spin from the newspapers).

  104. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    # Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Yuck, was that cup clean?

    Though the cup probably has more to worry about touching Larry’s lips than vice versa.

    ————————–

    HAHA I thought the same thing!!! Mug was probably full of dust. EWWW

  105. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    I find Larry King to be oafish.

    That is all.

  106. Betsy January 30th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Oops, Nick – sorry. I just realized that you were summarizing Joe’s comments about Cash. So…….Joe insists that Cash could have done more and that Cash even now doesn’t regret it? LOL well maybe Joe, Cash DOESN’T regret it because he thinks he made the right decsion? Of course, if the owners were set in their thinking, then Cash didn’t have a decision to make, did he? If he wanted to keep his job, he had to give in. Again, of course, I suspect Brian thought it was probably time for a change.

  107. Betsy January 30th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Oops, Nick – sorry. I just realized that you were summarizing Joe’s comments about Cash. So…….Joe insists that Cash could have done more and that Cash even now doesn’t regret it? LOL well maybe Joe, Cash DOESN’T regret it because he thinks he made the right decsion? Of course, if the owners were set in their thinking, then Cash didn’t have a decision to make, did he? If he wanted to keep his job, he had to give in. Again, of course, I suspect Brian thought it was probably time for a change.

  108. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Jan Bottone January 30th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

    Joe, does this book involve any introspective soul-searching on your part, in particular a little self-analysis about your own missteps during the years after 2000? So far all I’m hearing about is others’ mistakes and foibles. Thanks.
    Jean M January 30th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

    Joe…without the Yankees you would have a losing managerial record right now. You won because you were handed a great team that managed themselves. How un- greatful you are to turn on them just for the greed of money. I have no respect for you. Turncoat,,,,is this a way for you to get the money you wanted to manage the team. How much money do you need???

  109. Phil January 30th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Torre crapped the sheets in the post season from 2001-2007. It’s a shame they didn’t can him sooner.

  110. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Betsy, you misread me. I was repeating Larry King’s question that Torre didn’t really answer. But I didn’t say *should* Cashman have done more to save Torre’s job, I said *could* he have. Obviously he could have. I don’t think he regrets not having done more right now.

  111. Gary(Yanks and More) January 30th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Hey guys i posted 4 questions/comments on larry king lives live blog. Check it out, and please visit my site at Yanks and More and we will get more into this.

  112. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Why isn’t that idiot mentioning a good portion of the angry questions?

  113. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    “Larry is NOT being ‘mean or hard’ but is asking real questions. No softball.”
    ——————————————————

    Are you for real?

  114. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    Gary- I posted a few too, and that oaf isn’t mentioning it.

  115. sherlockbones January 30th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    “… this interview is Joe, Live on tape, preserved forever. It has more weight then the book”

    Is this a joke or your part? An interview where someone can prepare his answers in advance has more weight then what he writes in the book?

    Take your pinstriped blinders off.

  116. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    So, was that a no with regards to money from the book going to his charity?

  117. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    That book had been agreed on in principle over 2 years ago?

    Interesting.

  118. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Again he did not answer the question. He said the purpose was not monetary – but he did not say he was going to use the proceeds for Safe at Home. He did thank the questioner for mentioning the charity, though. He’s a real side-stepper.

  119. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Betsy, I see you caught up before I posted. But to clarify, the second part of that post was my own editorial comment only.

  120. AROD fan January 30th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    SNORRE

  121. Torre's Terrors January 30th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    KEvin has some more amazing photos on his blog

    http://zellspinstripeblog.com/.....-update-5/

  122. DT January 30th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    Larry King is what he is.
    He didn’t follow up on the “broke the code” question – but that’s not his style. Mike Wallace he is not.

  123. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    What the heck kind of questions are these? I thought he was going to ask Joe if he was gay. :lol:

  124. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Doreen- He is a boxer. dodging all the questions.

  125. TJ January 30th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Torre avoided the biggest question about him breaking the clubhouse trust what a joke.

  126. Stephen January 30th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Boy, the phone screeners were sweating bullets over the gay question. I was sure it would be a Baba Booey-style call about Alex and Derek!

  127. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Angel -

    It makes sense for him to want to write/co-write a retrospective of his years with the Yankees. That is a very good book idea. And if most of the experience was a positive one, why include the Kevin Brown, etc., stuff?

  128. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    The woman who gave birth to octuplets already has 6 kids? :shock:

    Torre tried to treat everyone fairly? I am having my doubts about that Joe.

  129. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    That was nice of him to call Arod the most gifted athlete he’s ever managed, but did he even think of how hurtful that would be to Karim Garcia?

  130. RSM January 30th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    Wow, they are handling him with kid gloves. This feels more like an infomercial than an interview.

  131. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    I’ve noticed he’s doing a lot of that, Doreen.

    Not answering fully.

    The “exclusive” captions spinning around below are actually making me giggle.

  132. Betsy January 30th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Old (but wise), I completely disagree:

    1) Words in print carry weight, historical weight. They are there, written in stone as it were. If anything Joe says now contradicts what is written, then that just makes him look hypocritical.

    2) I don’t care if the book is written in the 20th person once removed. This is Torre’s book, but because he’s probably a terrible writer, he’s got a real writer doing the hard work for him.

  133. Phil January 30th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    yeah, that’s why he gave all the stuff about Alex to Verducci for articles that undermined all of ARod’s hard work. What a piece of work this clown is.

  134. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    SA- Don’t even get me started on that one. I think there was something sinister going on there. I think she purposely tried to have multiples so she can get a big payday. There is no other explanation when someone already has 6 kids to go through with implantation.

  135. DT January 30th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Karim Garcia…. LOL

    “that guy.. i have a.. no respect for him, i got nothing to prove to him. karim garcia? who are you?”

    spoken by the dude who tossed Don Zimmer.

  136. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Well, it’s not satisfying, but at least I’m not getting agita from this interview. :)

  137. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Its not even like he is really obligated to explain how he is going to spend the money, really. He’d be well within his rights to say that he was (or he wasn’t) going to do so. But not answering that and several other questions isn’t really constructive either.

  138. sherlockbones January 30th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    What kind of nitwit would even give fertility drugs to a woman who already had six kids. That’s totally bizarro.

  139. randy l January 30th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    “Wow, they are handling him with kid gloves.”
    he’s been asked what his position on gay players?
    he’s been asked about sheffield calling him a racist.
    he’s been asked if he’s giving enough to chaity.
    he’s been asked what he thinks about obama.
    now prostate cancer.

    yup, kid gloves. right.

  140. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    What is this garbage.

  141. Betsy January 30th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Even if part of the book proceeds go to charity, it still doesn’t remove make what Joe did right and it doesn’t really help Brown, Pavano, Wells, A-Rod, Knoblauch either….

    Thanks, Nick – gotcha!

  142. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Well, this was an hour of my life I will never get back.

  143. Mehdi da chest bumpa January 30th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Can Torre read these headlines they are running underneath during the interview? I’d walk off. I thought this was CNN, not Fox news.

  144. you gotta have faith (pettite where art thou?) January 30th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    did Larry ask anything about brown or pavano yet?

  145. Donnie Baseball 23 January 30th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    That guy said the wrong Billy Beane was gay its the GM of the As its the former SD player

  146. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Wow what a waste of an hour, can’t say that I am shocked. I should have watched Friday Night Lights.

  147. Phil January 30th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    They actually had kids come out to ask him questions! What a joke!

  148. DT January 30th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    the kid had the best question of the night – regarding Abreu.

  149. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Yes, randy l, that was a really tough interview. The follow-up questions were brutal! We don’t understand how really hard that interview was becuase we haven’t played the game!

    The Obama question, how did Torre get through the answer without cracking????

  150. you gotta have faith (pettite where art thou?) January 30th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    seriously, should have taken the road pete did and just not watch it. waste.

  151. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    I guess it really doesn’t make a difference to me, if its going to charity or not. I don’t think that I can say I think that he gets a pass on what was said especially about Damon, because the money is going to a good cause.

    Its no different than the mentality that gives a pass, based on the fact that the players who were written about deserved it.

  152. Donnie Baseball 23 January 30th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Ya AROD was on Friday Night Lights trying to make out with Minka Kelly according to Joe Torre. Alex really wants to be Jeter

  153. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Gritty. What Torre did tonight will not show up in the transcript.

  154. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Pete don’t even bother reading the transcipt. You’d find out more reading the blog.

  155. Gary(Yanks and More) January 30th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    Jennifer, this is terrible they wont answer our questions. We are the real fans, this is how we feel, come check out my blog Yanks and more link to it from this site and we will discuss this more. Email me anyone at gmarchesej@aol.com

  156. pat January 30th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    I watched this hoping Joe was going to say something that made me feel better about this whole situation. So much for that. Very unsatisfying.

  157. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    Torre is a questions eater, I’ll give him that.

  158. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    What is your blog?

  159. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    He really did ask him about Obama? I missed that being distracted by the “EXCLUSIVE” headlines below.

    Oafish indeed.

  160. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    pat – It made me feel worse. All he did was dodge the “hard” hitting questions.

  161. DT January 30th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Well now I feel better.
    Listen to his answer to the Abreu question.
    (not exact – from memory)

    “I don’t think I said anything bad about Bobby in the book, in fact I didn’t say anything bad about anyone”

  162. randy l January 30th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    i have no problem with joe torre.

  163. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    So who is next on the “Listen to Torre say a whole lotta nothing” Tour? Letterman or Francesa?

  164. E-Man January 30th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    lol at some of you.

    I bet you’re going to really hate the book to since it probably won’t be as exciting as the media has been covering it.

    Sheep.

  165. Andrea January 30th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    Is it just me or did he really say nothing at all?

  166. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    “i have no problem with joe torre.”

    Clearly, but does that mean you have to engage in so much make believe on his behalf?

  167. randy l January 30th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    nick in sf-

    you’re a great critic.
    have you ever done anything?

  168. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    not just you Andrea

  169. DT January 30th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    I may be a sheep – but I didn’t just spend an hour with Larry King pulling the wool over people’s eyes.

  170. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    randy l -

    The questions weren’t bad; the answers were a little fuzzy and there were no follow-ups – which, of course, I didn’t expect. So this interview went about as I thought it would.

  171. YankeesLuv January 30th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Very good acting by Torre.

  172. Andrea January 30th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    So blog poll:

    Who is better at using a lot of words to say absolutely nothing:

    Joe Torre
    or
    Derek Jeter
    ?

  173. Bob(The Original) January 30th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    Darn, I thought maybe Pete was gonna live blog the interview. lol

    I didn’t watch it. Sounds like I didn’t miss much.

  174. DT January 30th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    Being married three times I think Joe was a little nervous and confused over that lady’s pre-nup question.

  175. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    It does make sense that it was written. It had the potential to be a terrific book, I think. And thats not to say that lot of aspects of it might still be very worthwhile reading.

    I was more thinking that I’d thought Verducci had said they’d only been working on it since November last year. Just interesting to know it had been in the planning for longer than that.

    Kind of like the “Lonely Yankee” article was a trial run for them, or something.

  176. Retire #6 January 30th, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    Many of the fans who read this blog would not be reading it if it wasn’t for Torre.

  177. sherlockbones January 30th, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    “i have no problem with joe torre.”

    Yeah and none are so blind as they who will not see.

  178. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    “have you ever done anything?”

    Yes, randy, I’ve asked you lots of questions on this topic that you’ve failed to answer.

    We’re not engaged in a bunting-technique contest, a wood-chopping exhibition, or a strongman competition. Just the back-and-forth of our words and ideas.

    If your idea is that Joe Torre just went through a tough-nosed interview, I beg to differ, and the people who read what the two of us have had to say can make up their own minds.

  179. DT January 30th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    tire #6
    January 30th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
    Many of the fans who read this blog would not be reading it if it wasn’t for Torre.

    Now I am confused. I thought Al Gore invented the internet.
    It was Joe Torre?

  180. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    No, it was a very Jeterian interview, actually. lol

  181. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    Frost/Nixon >>>>>> Torre/King

  182. miggs January 30th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    Hey guys, just got in.

    Anyone have a link to the King interview?

    Thanks.

  183. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    Angel -

    I got the impression that it was a project that they would do once his tenure was over, whenever that was. It turned out to be sooner rather than later, I guess.

  184. Farts January 30th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    something doesn’t smell right with Torre

  185. Farts January 30th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    something doesn’t smell right with Torre

  186. Phil January 30th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    Retire #6,

    Roy White fan?

  187. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    Angel, I agree. The book could very well be a great read. It has all the makings of a great story, but, I fear, in the “era of the sound bite” that we all live in that it will get boild down to these 2-3 negative comments.

  188. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    I think it was incredibly rude of Al Gore to invent the internet and then not have it be present in Antarctica. Talk about a slap in the face to global warming victims.

  189. Donnie Baseball 23 January 30th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Sorry #6 I think you have Yankee fans confused with RedSox fans they are the front-runners. Yankee fans will and always will be fans no matter. I always said that I think Torre hit the Lotto with the players he inherited. Everyone always talke about Phil Jackson won because of Jordan/Kobe/Shaq maybe we can say the same for Joe??? Not saying thats how I feel just suggestioning

  190. DT January 30th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Miggs –

    The CNN interview will be shown again at midnight (est)

    If they cut out all the fluff they could trim it down to 9 minutes.

  191. Mehdi also in SF January 30th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    I’m gonna download the audio book version illegally.

  192. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Mehdi: are you going ot drink non-sanctioned green tea while you listen to the book?

  193. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Mehdi: are you going ot drink non-sanctioned green tea while you listen to the book?

  194. miggs January 30th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Thanks DT I’m setting the DVR as we speak. Not going to wait around for that one.

  195. Barry Lane January 30th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    The charity issue is irrelevant.

    And, has anyone read the book…?

    Barry

  196. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    True, Tom. The trouble is that the soundbites are rather hard to ignore in their content, and in some respects might take a little bit of a shine off the rest of the book.

    Not considering then when looking at the book in its total, is a bit like ignoring the 20000lb elephant in the room.

    I think I will read it, and attempt to do so with an open mind. If only to come conclusions that are based on having read the entire thing myself and not just the “bait”.

  197. TJ January 30th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Joe Torre being married three times really should give you an insight to his character. He is not worthy of the St. Joe moniker. Honor Your Wife

  198. randy l January 30th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    doreen-

    clete boyer, jerry royster, hal mcrae, ron washington are all managers i’ve known personally. they are not polished public speakers. torre is about as good as you’re going to get as far as interviews. the skill set of a baseball manager isn’t conducive for obama type insights and articulation.

    i thought he did fine. i picked up what you noticed with the question about donating book proceeds, but he said he and his wife give plenty which i’m sure they do.

    joe torre has nothing to prove to anyone in baseball.he’s been there done that on almost every level.

    i’ll be honest. it’s hard listening to people who spend there time watching and not doing perfect the art of criticism.

  199. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Transcript tomorrow at this site URL:

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/lkl.html

    Almost all the blog questions on CNN are pro Torre! Mine would be as well! Great guy & Coach!

  200. Oh really? January 30th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    “Yankee fans will and always will be fans no matter.”

    But that’s probably more true of the 21,900 per game that showed up in 1992 than the additional 30,000 bandwogon jumpers who have shown up since.

    People in pinstripe houses….

  201. CaptainsCorner January 30th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    There were 2 decent questions asked and ofcourse he dodged both of them. They were if he did something wrong by telling the public stuff that happened in the clubhouse..He changed the topic by taking about Wells. Then someone said something about betraying the organization and he totally dodged the question by talking about his contract and the 2 year deal he was asking for. Then he says they called ARod Afraud as a joke…but in the book it doesn’t say it was a joke. The questions were a joke but he really came off stupid. Totally useless interview.

    The Dodgers might not be able to afford Manny now because of the money they had to spend on that cheap mug. He couldn’t give him that before the interview started?!!

  202. Old(but wise)YanksFan January 30th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    Jennifer – 2 words: ANGER MANAGEMENT.

    Betsy… maybe a book is a little less volitile then digital media, but this interview will around, for referece, for a long time. The difference is, most of the book is Verducci, and Verducci himself says this. The book is written to sell. By definition, is must be somewhat sensational.

    What we are seeing here is Torre, live, in a dialog. Not a written by someone else, heavily edited product for market. You can see Joe’s eyes, see his body language, hear his voice and inflection. It is always more revealing to dialog in person, then through a ‘paid’ author and editor.

    What’s most important, is that the idea for the book, and it’s beginnings, happened BEFORE the ‘firing’ incident. This book is NOT a result of that incident.

    And wow… did Joe just trash ARod or what!!!
    Every day, on this blog, there are dozens of nastier remarks about ARod, from, or course, people who have never met him.

    He also said Brian changed, and there was NOTHING wrong with that, but it was difficult on him. Joe also admitted that at the end, Brian probably thought it was best for Joe to leave.

    Also, I don’t think Joe needs to ‘pledge’ money from the book to his charity. He started it and gives lots of time to it. Just cause the guy has a lot of money, doesn’t mean we have the right to judge how he spends it.

    If someone here gives more of their time to charity then does Joe, please speak out.

    The bottom line here is many Lohuders are racked with anger. Just look at Jennifer. Their minds are made up, so they will find fault with everything Joe says and Larry does.

    I haven’t made up my mind. Like all of life, this is not a simple black and white issue. As a Yankee fan, I wish there were no waves made, but that doesn’t make Joe a criminal.

    While some of this saddens me, I continue to see Torre as an honest man and a good communicator. After the Yankees WS clips, you could see tremendous pride and love in Joe’s eyes. It is obvious that Joe reveres his time with the Yankees.

    Of couse, if you (that is the plural you, not the personal) are a hater, you may not see that.

  203. DT January 30th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    Randy – if you have played ball you have heard of “the code”.

    Torre was asked point blank from King about breaking the clubhouse code and he ignored answering the question.

    What should I make of that?
    Should I assume he just didn’t hear the question correctly?

  204. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    Donnie Baseball 23
    January 30th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
    Sorry #6 I think you have Yankee fans confused with RedSox fans they are the front-runners. Yankee fans will and always will be fans no matter. I always said that I think Torre hit the Lotto with the players he inherited. Everyone always talke about Phil Jackson won because of Jordan/Kobe/Shaq maybe we can say the same for Joe??? Not saying thats how I feel just suggestioning

    Joe Torre & the front office (Stick) replaced over half the team from the yr before in 1996. Also, Torre brought up this great SS named Jeter when everyone wanted Tony Fernandez to stay or Randy Vellarde or Mariano Duncan to play SS. Vellarde left at end of 1995. Joe made that team. That team didn’t make Joe!

  205. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    randy l -

    Torre has had 12 years of training in New York City to polish his interview skills. But, as I stated before, the tone of his answers in the interview is different from the tone of the excerpts. Perhaps it’s because everything was actually written by Verducci. I will be reading the book to better inform my overall opinion of this whole thing.

    The charity question was not relevant, I agree. What interested me was it was another non-answer answer. Torre does a lot charity-wise and has raised a lot of money and what he does with the money from the book is no one’s business. But it was an artful non-answer.

  206. hardwired January 30th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    ‘Author Joe Torre’ – lol. I invented a drink w/OJ, pineapple juice, Perrier w/Lemon & Vodka, does that mean I’m a chemist?

  207. Oh really? January 30th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    “Joe Torre being married three times really should give you an insight to his character. He is not worthy of the St. Joe moniker. Honor Your Wife”

    Does it give the same insight to his character that Johnny Damon’s dumping of his wife and kids in favor of Michelle the plastic bimbo the minute he started making real money gives to his?

  208. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
    January 30th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
    No, it was a very Jeterian interview, actually. lol

    ————————————————————

    Even Jeter isn’t that vague. I thought that I was watching Gene Kelly tap dancing on the screen.

  209. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Well, I vote the charity question the stupidest of all. Followed closely by the Obama question (that i’m still pretending was a figament of my imagination) and then the High Priced Stars vs the David Eckstein Grits.

    Its also possible that an additional reason that the interview wasn’t great (besides the questions not being fully answered), is that Larry King just isn’t that good of an interviewer.

  210. Old(but wise)YanksFan January 30th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    “Torre was asked point blank from King about breaking the clubhouse code and he ignored answering the question.”

    NOT true. TWICE he said he did not believe he trashed players or revealed confidences.

    The stuff about Damon WAS IN THE NEWSPAPERS LAST YEAR. It was discussed that he was talking about retiring. What Joe said about JD was already public info.

  211. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    My favorite part was hearing him say T comes before V. The man is not only a saint, but he is helping America with the alphabet.

  212. Donnie Baseball 23 January 30th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    Teams were different a little. Torre didnt go out and sign those guys nor did he change any front-office people. I honestly think Showalter wouldve won the WS in 1996 if he had stayed. Its my opinion if you dont like it dont respond to it

  213. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    Old(but wise)YanksFan

    Amen!!

  214. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    “Does it give the same insight to his character that Johnny Damon’s dumping of his wife and kids in favor of Michelle the plastic bimbo the minute he started making real money gives to his?”

    It doesn’t really, but is Damon the one writing a book about Torre battling depression or being asked to comment on the state of Joe’s marriages?

    One really has nothing to do with the other, but I thought the question about ARod’s marriage directed to Joe, was rather pointless and irrelevant on it’s own merits (or lack of) in the first place.

  215. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    “Joe made that team. That team didn’t make Joe!”

    I think some of both is true.

  216. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    I never heard the word depressed used. I heard he was considering retiring, but never heard the d word. That was in confidence. We were only told he had business or family issues.

  217. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
    January 30th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
    No, it was a very Jeterian interview, actually. lol

    ————————————————————

    Even Jeter isn’t that vague. I was confused at first, thinking I was watching an old movie, I thought that I was watching Gene Kelly tap dancing on the screen.

  218. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    Oh really?
    January 30th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
    “Joe Torre being married three times really should give you an insight to his character. He is not worthy of the St. Joe moniker. Honor Your Wife”

    Does it give the same insight to his character that Johnny Damon’s dumping of his wife and kids in favor of Michelle the plastic bimbo the minute he started making real money gives to his?

    Joe Torre has discussed his failed marriages quite openly in the past. He has taken the blame & said those failures helped mold him to being open and honest & making him a better Manager & person!

  219. CaptainsCorner January 30th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    Also Torre made sure to throw in the part that Verducci is the voice in the book as much as he is. That is just ridiculous. Torre was the manager and in the clubhouse for all of these years Verducci wasn’t. When they were talking about the contract that he was offered that final day and how Cashman didn’t say anything Torre said Larry don’t forget this is Verducci talking also. Torre was in that room for the meeting Verducci wasn’t. The only way he knows what happened is by what Torre told him. Torre told him most of the stuff in the book and is now trying to put some of the negative spin on him….

  220. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    S.A., it’s really hard for me to read your critical remarks regarding Joe Torre and the alphabet when I don’t think you’ve ever been paid money to throw or catch a baseball *or* teach the ABC’s.

    I take special offense because I have taught English as a second language in a foreign country. Shame on you!

  221. DT January 30th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    Old(but wise)YanksFan
    January 30th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
    “Torre was asked point blank from King about breaking the clubhouse code and he ignored answering the question.”
    NOT true. TWICE he said he did not believe he trashed players or revealed confidences.

    I think we were watching a different interview. King asked the ‘breaking the code” question and mentioned Wells.

    Torre talked about Wells. He never mentioned “breaking the code”.

    I must have missed the media articles about Damon’s depression last year or Kevin Brown crying in the corner.

  222. Global Warming January 30th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    Why are people angry when Torre speaks the truth? Get over yourselves. I would love to see the reaction of you sensitive Sallys if I told you beloved Billy Martin also wrote a book “discussing” his Yankee career with some not so favorable things to say.

    “WHAT? HUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH?”

  223. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    I believe Torre is talking from his heart. He is like a parent who wishes the child would grow up & not chase the things the parent felt that hurt their lives!

    Joe T gets an “A” in my book.

  224. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Steve B
    You are quite right!

    Joe T chose to risk his career with some unlikely people! Jeter being the 1st!!!

  225. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Jesus, are people missing the point. All Joe used to tell his players is what happens here stays here. Than he leaves the Yankees and what does he do. He breaks the code.

  226. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Its kinda as hard to take seriously the comments by people who’ve already expressed their disgust with Joe often, and are viewing everything as being negative – as it is with those who’ve already decided nothing is going to change their good opinion of Joe Torre, and are saying just as biased things in his favor.

    There is really nothing different between the two positions except the positive/negative view difference. Geez.

  227. Gary(Yanks and More) January 30th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    Jennifer im sorry my blog is Yanks and more. You can get it at gmarchese.blogspot.com I have to start something on my blog with this, im trying to see what I want to do. I think Torre and Jeter are meant for each other, both say a lot while saying nothing. Does anyone else besides us feel this way about Joe?

  228. E-Man January 30th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    “I never heard the word depressed used. I heard he was considering retiring, but never heard the d word. That was in confidence. We were only told he had business or family issues.”

    I know, I didn’t hear that word either. Like you, I assumed he was very joyful when he was considering retirement after having an off year with injuries and family problems.

  229. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    I may not be able to criticize Joe Torre because I never played pro-ball.

    However, I am a Prof. of Literature, so I can criticize his book.

  230. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    LOL Nick

  231. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    jennifer
    January 30th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
    I never heard the word depressed used. I heard he was considering retiring, but never heard the d word. That was in confidence. We were only told he had business or family issues.

    *Well I did!*
    Damon wanted to give up baseball!! Why did you think he wanted too! He had demons!

    BTW, the code in Baseball is to keep the wives & management from finding out what is going on. Not anything else!

  232. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    LOL! E-Man

  233. Global Warming January 30th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    “Jesus, are people missing the point. All Joe used to tell his players is what happens here stays here. Than he leaves the Yankees and what does he do. He breaks the code.”

    Name me one relevant story that Torres book broke that hasn’t been reported on before.

    P.S

    Clemens going crazy and rubbing icy hot on his you know what doesn’t count.

  234. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    Oh so you read in the papers that Johnny was depressed on wanted to retire. Okay.. seems like you are the only one.

  235. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    I’m re-thinking whether because I have never played baseball professionally, that I’m qualified to comment on any professional code (or lack of) now.

    Talk about a spanner into the works.

  236. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    Okay, Brown crawled up in a ball in the clubhouse crying that he wanted to go home and retire.

  237. Global Warming January 30th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....man.damon/

    Jennifer, its time to go sleep honey.

  238. DT January 30th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    Say you went into where you worked and told your boss you were dealing with depression and needed time off.

    All your peers knew you were out of work.

    The boss then and goes and tells everyone you were suffering from depression.

    Would that be fine since everyone KNEW you were out of work?

    In the real world – your boss would be in a heap of trouble. Unless of course your boss was Joe Torre – then it would be fine.

  239. gayle January 30th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    After reading all of these comments I am more than happy that I watched yet another great episode of FNL. I dont get why this so is so underrated in terms of viewers,it is one of the best shows on TV. Well I actually do get why as no one really watches TV that much but if you dont watch it you really need to. Each season has been better than the last.

  240. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    Global warming sweetie, do you see the word depressed in that article? I don’t.

    “I was just exhausted …. Burnt out,” Damon told SI.com Tuesday. “[Retirement] definitely crossed my mind.”

    Is not the same.

  241. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    “I think Torre and Jeter are meant for each other, both say a lot while saying nothing. Does anyone else besides us feel this way about Joe?”

    You mean has 13 years of these two guys talking in cliches and raising talking without saying anything to an art form convinced me that they both talk in cliches and have raised talking without saying anything to an art form? Um, yeah.

  242. pat January 30th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    Verducci say s Johnny tells his story about it in the book.

    The A-Fraud stuff I’m still a little sketchy on. Verducci says Alex was only phony in 2004 and that’s why Damon and Pettitte knew nothing about it because they weren’t there. The A-Fraud joke only started 2 years ago and was to Alex’s face not behind his back.

  243. Gary(Yanks and More) January 30th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    Hey Jennifer is entitled to her opinion and most of us feel Joe is a disgrace for doing this. I now have a post on my blog about this. Jennifer don’t worry about them,you can talk to me about this all you want, im on your side. Just come on to my blog and type away.

  244. Global Warming January 30th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    “Damon just wasn’t sure if he wanted to keep playing and was actually seriously considering walking away from the final three years of his $52-million, four-year contract. Nobody does that, but Damon almost did.”

    I don’t think a happy person would consider retirement at 32. I think it’s fair to assume he was depressed. I mean really, to even consider walking away from 2 years 26 million you really got to be in a state of depression.

  245. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    Torre started talking about private conversations to the media in 2006, when he shot his mouth off to Verducci about the talk that he and Rodriguez had in his office, that was supposed to be private. I’m sure that wasn’t the first LEAK.

  246. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    I can be burnt out on something, without being depressed about it.

    This comments section tonight, for example, lol.

    Considering that’s the case – I’m out.

  247. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    Global- He is in a different financial situation that anyone on here. It is a lot easier to walk away from that money when you have 60 some million in the bank.

  248. Gary(Yanks and More) January 30th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Exactly, i wish he would go on Kays show, that will never happen. I wish Arod called in tonight, now that would of been fun. Pete I guess you aren’t going to take part in this at all.

  249. Pel January 30th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    “My name comes before his because T comes before V”

    whoa

  250. Pel January 30th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    And, apparently, $$$ comes before anything with Joe Torre.

  251. DT January 30th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    Global Warming
    January 30th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    I don’t think a happy person would consider retirement at 32. I think it’s fair to assume he was depressed. I mean really, to even consider walking away from 2 years 26 million you really got to be in a state of depression.

    Is it okay if I refer to you as Dr. Global Warming ?
    Do you dispense Paxil over the internet?

  252. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    Angel, very good point about how some of the 100%’ers on both sides of this Torre controversy can sound very similar.

    What’s most puzzling about randy’s shots at me is that I’ve said I’m not nearly as anti-Torre regarding this book as most people on here. I don’t think anything in his book detracts from what Torre accomplished with the Yankees, but of course I can see how they would affect how people feel about him now. But I don’t blame randy if he missed those comments.

    My two bottom lines remain that 1) I reserve the right to make Torre the butt of many jokes now that he’s opened himself up to so many punchlines and 2) the best way to get past the Torre era in NY is to win a title without him.

  253. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    I would love to hear Torre on Kay’s show. That would be must listen radio.

    So I hear there is some sort of football game on Sunday..

  254. CaptainsCorner January 30th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    The interview should of been done by Kay and Randy Levine..Then that would of been amusing…

  255. pat January 30th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    Jennifer

    Verducci did an interview with SI.com that released the minute the King show ended. Doubleday must have had a gag on until Torre spoke. Read it. You may not be completely comfortable with everything but it might lower your blood pressure a little. Doubleday knew exactly what they were doing with the leaked 1/2 quotes.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  256. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    “My name comes before his because T comes before V”

    Case in point! Is that any less inane and ridiculous because Torre was a great player and manager? Are we supposed to laugh less at that because not all of us have laced ‘em up?

    Even Larry King, *to his credit*, didn’t buy that. He said something to the effect of “your picture is on the cover” but that was it and I don’t think Torre responded to the topic again. Did he?

  257. stat January 30th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Torre’s new theme song
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpimRrhWi4E

  258. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    “Doubleday knew exactly what they were doing with the leaked 1/2 quotes.”

    No doubt, pat, very good point. As I wrote a couple days ago, Doubleday has hyped, juiced, and goosed this book masterfully, as they should, given that they’re engaged in that struggle between the book publisher and the potential book-buying public.

  259. Global Warming January 30th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    “Global- He is in a different financial situation that anyone on here. It is a lot easier to walk away from that money when you have 60 some million in the bank.”

    I disagree with you Jennifer. I mean sure you could say that about the general sports athlete but not about Damon. Remember we are talking about a guy who the Red Sox for the Yankees because the Yankees offered more money and he was “disrespected”. I mean he was a super star in Boston and he left for 3 million/year. Money must be very important to him and his wife.

    Not that theres anything wrong with that.

    P.S As for the depression thing. Heres another reason he was depressed and considering retirement. Watching his former team the Red Sox winning a championship just 1 year removed just had to hurt.

  260. Old(but wise)YanksFan January 30th, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    “I must have missed the media articles about Damon’s depression last year or Kevin Brown crying in the corner.”

    JD’s situation was well publisized. Never heard anything about Brown.

  261. pat January 30th, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    From Lisa Guerrero’s column in the LA Times:

    “My husband, Scott Erickson, was in the Yankee locker room in 2006 and acknowledged that many of those stories about Rodriguez are true. He takes issue with the fact that Torre or anyone writing about certain players’ bad behavior, but then chooses not to write about others.

    Will Torre “out” the guys who cheated on their wives or cheated on the game (steroids, etc.) if he personally liked them, even if he knew about those stories? And believe me, a manager does. Picking and choosing who to rat out is the manager’s prerogative, I suppose. Kinda like who to start, who to bench and whose dirty laundry you want to air in public.”

  262. DT January 30th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    Old(but wise)YanksFan
    January 30th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
    “I must have missed the media articles about Damon’s depression last year or Kevin Brown crying in the corner.”
    JD’s situation was well publisized. Never heard anything about Brown.

    I did a search on “depression” and “Damon” – and can’t find anything. Of course, it might be my search engine. Stupid Google.

    Are you sure his “depression” was well publicized? Maybe it was a recession and not a depression?

  263. Old(but wise)YanksFan January 30th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    The SI article that Pat linked to is a MUST read. MUST READ!
    From that article:

    Verducci: I believe Damon was suffering from something analogous to battle fatigue. The poor guy was worn out, just spent emotionally from about a five-year nonstop run in which he was a free agent twice, divorced, remarried, suffered a brutal concussion, almost never missed a regular-season game, wrote a book, won a world championship, vaulted into celebrity status … just too much too fast.

    His pilot light for playing baseball gave out. He couldn’t work out that winter, showing up at camp out of shape and not in a great frame of mind. And then when he did return from a leave of absence, his legs gave out because he wasn’t in shape. And Damon’s game is almost useless without healthy legs. It was a long, slow slog for him to get back to enjoying baseball again — a period when the Yankees really missed the Damon they knew. I think his story is very important because it humanizes the player. These guys are not robots

  264. Pat M January 30th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    Hell, maybe I pass on reading Torre’s book next week, seems like everyone here has read it ALREADY….After reading the postings tonight illustrate the best of Yankee fans and certainly the dark side as well…..Shameful…This man was instrumental in being glory to the franchise…..In fact if not for his envolvment most of the young set here wouldn’t even be here or have any true association to the club other than living in NY…..Rush to judgement, very shallow….

  265. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 11:37 pm

    Oh, I remember reading stories about how Damon’s teammates were sick of him and telling Torre: “Let’s get rid of him. Guys can’t stand him.”

  266. CandyKane January 31st, 2009 at 12:00 am

    I don’t know why fans get all carried away about this stuff. I’m a Yankee fan, but could give a damn who writes a book. This should be between Torre and his former team – all millionaires who could give a damn about us fans, particularly a team that wants $800 per ticket beginning in April. Its time that fans realize that baseball is A BUSINESS and everyone in the business tries to cash in.

    Also, please stop falling into the “Yankee mystique”. Every organization has its good and bad sides, but stop acting like the Yankees organization is always on cloud 9. Everyone needs a reality check once in a while; just so happens that this time its from the old manager. It seems as if anytime someone shows the Yanks for who they really are, the fans get their panties in a twad and a revolt commences. Calm down for Pete’s sake (no pun intended).

  267. RayVTNC January 31st, 2009 at 12:03 am

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA.....kl.01.html

    Torre’s Transcript on Larry King Live!

  268. Betsy January 31st, 2009 at 12:04 am

    Old (but Wise), I guess we just have to part ways. I don’t care about what Joe looked like as he said this stuff, or what he sounded like. All I know is what he wrote in the book and he can’t spin that. He backtracked, pure and simple. Oh, really, Joe – A-Fraud was said as a joke? Too bad you didn’t mention that in the book. Again, Joe is a master with the media and he’s counting on that fact sway people back to his side. I don’t think it’s going to work.

    It’s too bad that fans bash A-Rod – disgraceful, actually, but those aren’t real fans. They also aren’t his manager. I don’t believe I need to rehash any of the arguments that I or anyone else have made about airing out private conversations about former players. I simply think it’s repulsive.

    I don’t like Joe trashing Cashman – I’m not going to lie. Expecting Cash to fall on his sword for Brian is the height of egotism, esp. since Joe forgot how many times previously Cash went to the mat for him. All it ‘s cost Joe is his frienship with Brian, but hey – if it’s ok with him……..

    Joe’s devotion to charity is wonderful, but that has nothing to do with this book.

  269. Pat M January 31st, 2009 at 12:08 am

    So Betsy you didn’t enjoy the book I take it……A month from now, the perspective of this book’s content will fully understood and apperciated… Everything that has been released occupies maybe 1 page of 500 pages….

  270. ANSKY January 31st, 2009 at 12:12 am

    “The veteran players will say they either didn’t read the book or that they don’t care and that will be that.”

    ANSKY won’t read the book, doesn’t care and that’s that.

    ANSKY just realized he’s speaking of himself in the third person. Would Rickey mind if he did?

  271. Old(but wise)YanksFan January 31st, 2009 at 12:23 am

    Betsy – Have you read the book? Based on what Verducci says, these tidbits that were released have little to do with the bulk of the book. Before before decide to be judge and jury, maybe you should at least see all the evidence?

    He didn’t go back on what he said. He explained it in more detail. He mentioned that Bowa would tease ARod… or AFraud. One sentence from the book, intentionally taken out of context for promotional and sensational purposes, never gives the same message as the full text. This is a trick used forever, to mislead people and to make a point.

    You have read a few sensationalized lines released for publicity and jumped to judgement.

    Torre did NOT write this book. He was Verducci’s man source, and the source of the ‘inside’ Yankee information. But that is a small part of the book (at least according to Verducci). Joe will take responsibility for what his said, but it’s Verducci’s book.

  272. Old(but wise)YanksFan January 31st, 2009 at 12:25 am

    “I don’t like Joe trashing Cashman – I’m not going to lie.”

    ——————————————————–

    Please give me a quote where Joe trashes Cashman.

  273. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 31st, 2009 at 12:30 am

    “Betsy – Have you read the book?”

    Have you?

    You’re also doing an awful lot of defending and speculating based on a book you haven’t read either.

    Honestly, both sides are just as obstinate and biased, regardless.

  274. felix January 31st, 2009 at 12:33 am

    Pete

    I find it strange how you have reacted this past week….
    Its like someone told you there is no Santa Claus.
    Remember its hard to see the trees through the forest sometimes.

  275. Pat M January 31st, 2009 at 12:37 am

    Innocent before being proven guilty….Is that not an American way of life…..Maybe not in Yankeeland….

  276. pat January 31st, 2009 at 12:39 am

    “Joe will take responsibility for what his said, but it’s Verducci’s book.”

    That’s not the format the writer and publisher set-up so it’s not fair to judge under those criteria. Torre is right that he’ll get more credit or blame than he might deserve BUT he agreed to that when he signed on to the project. As he told Wells, his name on it, his book.

  277. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 31st, 2009 at 12:46 am

    How is is not Joe’s book when he’s being paid a substantial amount more than Verducci and both their names are on the cover? What are they paying him for if its not his book, lol. Somebody better clue Doubleday in on the great rip-off they’ve just been subjected to.

  278. GreenBeret7 January 31st, 2009 at 12:53 am

    So, Nelson Doubleday finally gets back at George Steinbrenner for all the years that the Mets have been the city orphans. He doesn’t own the Mets now, so it took him 10 years to finally get a little revenge.

  279. CENTRAL CT YANKEE January 31st, 2009 at 1:03 am

    My question is, if it wasn’t about salary and just years. The yanks offered 1 year at 5 million, so if they offered Joe 2 years at 2.5 million a year would he have accepted…No way…so he is bogus…

  280. RayVTNC January 31st, 2009 at 1:16 am

    The book sounds exciting, insightful and a great inspiring read. I look forward to reading it!

    As I have said many times on here, if you can’t handle the truth don’t read it!

    Also, if you have a closed mind, you have no mind at all!

  281. Lisa January 31st, 2009 at 1:24 am

    Hey, Old (But Wise) Yankees fan, please explain to me this quote from the book:

    Back in 2004, at first Rodriguez did his best to try and fit into the Yankee culture — his cloying, B Grade actor best. He slathered on the polish. People in the clubhouse, including teammates and support personnel were calling him “A-Fraud” behind his back.

    See the part about “behind his back”? Not to his face. Behind his back.

  282. Alvaro Fernandez January 31st, 2009 at 2:56 am

    Larry King is a great at having conversations but an interview requires some edge, get into the other persons head and make the interviewee realize that his message, philosophy or whatever can stir people the wrong way or show the contradictions in character, which is Joe Torre problem.
    The program shouldn’t be called “Larry King Live” it should be named “Larry King Comatose.” I stopped watching his program many years ago.

  283. Lara08 January 31st, 2009 at 7:06 am

    The only puppets will be people who go buy the book though they had no intention of buying it before the ruckus Pete.

  284. Eddie in Yonkers January 31st, 2009 at 9:22 am

    This was watching 2 has beens past their times of adding anything to what they do for a living. Just in it for the money. Legends in their own minds.

  285. Eddie in Yonkers January 31st, 2009 at 9:22 am

    This was watching 2 has beens past their times of adding anything to what they do for a living. Just in it for the money. Legends in their own minds.

  286. Alex January 31st, 2009 at 11:54 am

    friday night lights was ridiculous last night! saracen was clearly over the goal line with the ball. and since when do people rally to bench a quarterback that won a state title? and since when do people tell a coach to change his entire offense (an offense that won them a state title, might i add) 3 games into a season where they were undefeated?

    i applaud peter abraham for watching the correct programming, but not peter berg, who is letting his show get out of hand.

  287. AROD fan January 31st, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    What about Orlando Cabrera for CF?

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