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Yankees have not reached FA quota

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 30, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Fear not, greedy Yankee fans, the Yankees can sign all the Type A free agents if they want.

A story on MLB.com today said the Yankees had reached the quota on Type A free agents.

This led to — seriously — a dozen e-mails from fans who want Juan Cruz, Adam Dunn and/or Manny Ramirez.

Turns out the story is wrong. Brian Cashman said the Yankees could sign up to eight if they want. “I’m not sure of the exact number, but it’s one we won’t worry about either way,” he said.

I’m not clear on the exact reasons. But the large pool of FAs led to an adjustment in the quota. I also think it has something to do with how many ranked FAs they had.

Panic over. Think big thoughts.

And, no, Cash wouldn’t way whether than plan to sign anybody else.

 
 

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223 Responses to “Yankees have not reached FA quota”

  1. Russell NY January 30th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    Thanks for clearing that up.

  2. duh January 30th, 2009 at 11:32 am

    OMG!! CASHMAN IS TEH SUCK FOR NOT SIGNING MANNY, DUNN, CRUZ AND SHEETS?!!

  3. Paco Dooley January 30th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    So are there really any remaining FA’s that the Yanks want? WIth Pettite signed it seems to end the FA spending (e.g., Sheets). Manny was never coming to NY…

  4. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 11:38 am

    Thanks,this was my previous post on last thread

    YankeeRay
    January 30th, 2009 at 11:36 am
    I give up. This link quotes a MLB executive in saying that the Yanks have reached their quota. All the research I just did points to there being no quota due to either 63 FA’s available or that the Yanks lost 2 FA’s.

    So how can MLB run this article when the Giants signed 4 Type A/B’s?????

    This appears to be bad journalism if I’m not mistaken.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_mlb

  5. Yankeefan23 January 30th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Can we start a new discussion. I read the Pinch Hit blog today and thought to myself, hmm maybe I am overly optimistic. Anybody terrified of the fact that the Rays game plans against the Yanks will be the wreak havoc on the basepaths. I mean, more than any other year. They will torment Jorge’s shoulder all year. Not just that, think about teams like the Angels, and it may be a long year. Anybody else think about this stuff?

  6. Phil Parcells January 30th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Torre to spill beans on Larry King tonight (9:00 PM)

  7. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    duh,

    If the Yankees do not win the World Series this year, we will see hundreds of comments just like that, only they will be serious.

  8. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    “Anybody terrified of the fact that the Rays game plans against the Yanks will be the wreak havoc on the basepaths. I mean, more than any other year. They will torment Jorge’s shoulder all year.”

    Sort of. My biggest concern is that Posada will not be healthy to catch, period.

    We have the pitching to keep the Rays off the basepaths in the first place.

  9. Phil January 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    The Yanks had a winning record against the Rays in 2008.

  10. Phil Parcells January 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    speaking of FA — Manny and Varitek twist in the wind

  11. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    So now I get another 2 weeks of Manny dreaming.
    Though it was just a 40 man march by Mets fans it still pissed me off.
    When I look at their line up I don’t see how they need Manny anymore than we do.
    Reyes,Beltran,Delgado and Wright
    Jeter,Tex,Arod

    After that we are both questionable though I will say we have more depth in Posada,Swisher, Matsui but as far as big guaranteed impact bats that are healthy?

    I think we need him in the 5th spot to solidify our march to the canyon.

    I’ll let up until Monday as I will enjoy Bruce at the Super Bowl and a weekend of coaching my travel team in a South Florida tournament. Miss the snow but love playing baseball year round.

  12. Rishi January 30th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    I just wonder where on the roster you find space for the remaining 10 free agents everyone wants to sigh

  13. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Just 1 Rishi just 1

  14. Rishi January 30th, 2009 at 11:52 am

    :) fair enough

  15. Yankeefan23 January 30th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Another discussion topic. With the nearly half billion the Yankees spent on the off-season. Knowing what you now know, in terms of the market pricing, if you were the GM, how would you have done it better.

  16. Tantron Willoughby January 30th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    Adam Dunn could be our number 8 hitter lol

  17. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    LOL! Lets tak players!! Who is on your wish list for the Yankees! (BTW, I have been & will always be an ARod fan & Torre fan & Jeter fan!)

    I want Manny!! I’d still like Sheets too!! LOL! But I do not really want Cruz. If they don’t sign Manny, Dunn would be acceptable addition. Yes I want to keep Nady & Swisher too. Perhaps, with a strong SP staff, & a long relief person the bullpen can be a less & carry an extra OF/DH type.

    Hope they sign Manny!!!

  18. m January 30th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Whoa, lots of action on the blog today.

    Did mlb incorrectly say that we couldn’t sign anymore Type A FA? But now we can? Because of the quota? Or that we let go so many Type A&B’s ourselves?

    Re: Torre. Nobody’s saying that he wasn’t a good manager. But either the club was so toxic that even he couldn’t deal with it or he was just not managing well down the stretch. Coaching was a shelf-life. After so many years (about 10), the message gets old, etc. etc.

    It seems like, too, that Joe really catered to his celebrity status and at the very least fostered the image. Maybe he wasn’t totally focused on the Yankees at the end. At some point self-preservation and defensive mechanisms kick in for a lame-duck manager.

    Anyway, I’ll give Torre his due respect for what he did for the Yankees. But I’ll also knock him for what he didn’t do. Did he fight for our guys when they got beaned? Not near the end. Did he fight for his Dodgers when they got beaned in the playoffs. Hell yeah, he did. That scene played out on tv told the whole story. It had gotten to the point where Joe was mailing it in. SJ said it and the proof is in the midges.

  19. tampayank January 30th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    RAYVTNC

    why even consider dunn? not much of an upgrade(if at all) over abreau who is still available, at least abreau is great at working the count but his defense is horrible

  20. duh January 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    “Knowing what you now know, in terms of the market pricing, if you were the GM, how would you have done it better.”

    well, Sabathia and Teixeira were two players i thought they should sign. they could not have gotten Teixiera any cheaper than they did.

    maybe you come out slightly less agressive on Sabathia, but we don’t know if they did that if another team would have jumped in. the GOAL of their Sabathia offer was to knock everyone else out of the process, and they were wildly successful.

    could they have saved $10M off the total? maybe. was it worth the risk of playing things too cute, like the Sox did with Teixeira? not really.

    they could not have gotten Burnett any cheaper, since the Braves were right there. i guess they could have let Burnett go the Braves and signed Lowe instead for a little less money. would that have been worth it, considering Lowe is 4 years older? i doubt it.

    in the end the Yankees signed 2 of the 3 elite talents on the market, and then another very good pitcher, plus they got a bargain on Pettitte. they improved their team, they made themselves younger, and they didn’t raise payroll.

    knowing what we know now, maybe they could have saved a couple million per year, but overall, it’s hard to find fault with this offseason.

  21. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    RayVTNC
    January 30th, 2009 at 11:57 am
    LOL! Lets tak players!! Who is on your wish list for the Yankees! (BTW, I have been & will always be an ARod fan & Torre fan & Jeter fan!)

    I want Manny!! I’d still like Sheets too!! LOL! But I do not really want Cruz. If they don’t sign Manny, Dunn would be acceptable addition. Yes I want to keep Nady & Swisher too.

    ——
    Even I’m not that greedy Ray lol.

    Just give us Manny and trade Nady, and either Matsui or Swisher.

  22. AROD fan January 30th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    I knew it was made up! Probably a rumor started by Torre.

  23. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Dunn not an upgrade over Abreu? Come again? Last season Dunn hit 20 more home runs as Abreu and walked almost 50 more times. Dunn is also six years younger than Abreu.

    Neither is any good defensively. But Dunn has a much better bat.

    If Dunn can be had for cheap, like Burrell, he would be a great addition.

  24. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Johny Damon
    Derek Jeter
    Mark Texiera
    Alex Rodriguez
    Manny Ramirez
    Nick Swisher
    Jorge Posada
    Robinson Cano
    Brett Gardner/Melky Cabrera

    PH – Hideki Matsui, Xavier Nagy
    U – Cody Ranson
    C – Jose Molina

    This would be 14 players & would allow just 11 pitchers on the 25 Man Roster.

    SP1 LH CC Sabathia
    SP2 AJ Burnett
    SP3 Chien-Ming Wang
    SP4 LH Andy Pettite
    SP5 Joba Chamberlain

    CL Mariano Rivera
    SU Brian Bruney
    RP1 LH Damasco Marte
    RP2 LH Phil Coke
    RP3 Jose Veras
    RP4 Dan Giese

    If Sheets were added, Joba to Setup & Coke to minors.

  25. m January 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Pete,

    You’ll love this. Dan Patrick was pretty excited about going to the Springsteen sound check yesterday.

    Here’s the blog entry. That looks like you just below Bruce’s left hand. You’ve been working out?

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

  26. JoeyA January 30th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    RayVTNC-
    Do you believe the Yankees are in the business of just collecting contracts?

    Contracts aren’t like stock, you don’t collect as many as possible when the market is low.

  27. Wave Your Hat January 30th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    There were reports floating around that Dunn could go for as little as $5MM/1 year. I don’t believe that he goes for anything near that low, but if you could get him on a deal like that its a no-brainer – you do it and then worry about how to fit Dunn into the rest of the team.

  28. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    tampayank

    why even consider dunn? not much of an upgrade(if at all) over abreau who is still available, at least abreau is great at working the count but his defense is horrible
    ———————————————————-
    I’m with you on that. I said I want Manny. Dunn would be an acceptable DH type to protect ARod in batting order.

    The 1996 Model that helped Joe T win was loaded with DH types.
    Strawberry, Fielder, Sierra, Raines & Leyritz. All got 200 ABs.

  29. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    I agree with duh. We don’t have the facts to say the Yankees could have had Sabathia for X dollars less than they actually paid. This isn’t the Rangers paying $252 million for ARod when no one else was anywhere near that figure.

    The wild card signing of the winter is AJ for sure. I could see him either being a Mussina-like, stabilizing force in the rotation or another Pavano. The Yankees took a big gamble with him but I understand why they had to make it. They needed to land either AJ or Lowe to help avoid another 2008.

    They probably overpaid for Marte, but it’s tough to focus on a $12 million deal for a decent lefty reliever in the midst of the CC, AJ, and Teixeira deals.

  30. Mike January 30th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    I think Cruz is still something Cashman should explore

  31. Ariel January 30th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    As usual, Bob Klapisch is the best read on the most current Yankee topic. He, quite objectively, hits all the high points, IMO.http://www.northjersey.com/spo....._fate.html

  32. Phil January 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    “at least abreau(sp)is great at working the count…” Dunn walks more even more.

  33. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    JoeyA

    Contracts! No I am not. Only ones that make sense. Manny would put the team over the top. He & ARod are supposedly good friends & he would be the hitter batting behind ARod for years that is missing. Sheets would give the Yanks more depth & another potentially great arm that would allow Joba to keep his innings lower or move to setup. To keep certain guys fresh, like Andy & Sheets, Joba could rotate on a 5 man rotation schedule using 6 pitchers with the last 3 rotating with an off week every 3rd week. Just a thought. Also, would be more depth to protect from an injury.

  34. Patrick January 30th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    RayVTNC, you are insane. That is all.

  35. m January 30th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    I wouldn’t mind adding Manny, but that would be almost unfair to the rest of baseball.

    He won’t come here unless things totally collapse for him from the big market teams.

    If Manny had to bite the bullet and take a one-year offer, it’d be from the Yankees. Even though the word is that the Dodgers want to offer him a 1-year $28M deal, he was seeking a mult year deal. So why not join the Yankees? It’s where the cool kids play.

  36. 86w183 January 30th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    The Yanks already have six players for the three OF jobs and DH so I can’t see adding anyone without deleting someone. Still, Dunn at a discount is enticing even if it means a year of bad “D” before he moves to DH.

    I like the idea of adding Cruz if they have the money for it. Cruz/Marte/Bruney setting up Mariano would be pretty strong and let the kids fight for the other jobs.

    RAYVTNC — $ 20 Million for pinch hitters? That’s quite a roster!

  37. JoeyA January 30th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    A ? as big as Sheets, IMO, doesn’t add depth, he adds uncertainty. It’s like saying Penny or Baldelli gives the Sox depth. JMO, but I don’t agree, since you barely know what you’re getting out of them.
    Depth, for me, is somebody you can count on to give you something. Sheets does nothing but give us another injury prone starter, the first being AJ. And I don’t know f this fanbase can deal with another big name starter going down, long term, to injury.
    The only way I’d want to take on Sheets is if he came with a DEEP discount, like 1 yr/2 or 3M.
    Also, JMO gain, but I believe Sheets would be much better served in the BP. He is Kerry Wood-esque, in that he has nasty stuff, but can’t stay healthy to showcase it. Sheets as a bridge to Mo, that’s the only role I would want Sheets for.

  38. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Patrick

    Thank-you! LOL! I passed a test saying I’m not but maybe I just studied hard! I work at a nuclear plant! LOL! Passed the MMPI test. LOL!

  39. Patrick January 30th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Keep on proving my point Ray!

  40. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Dunn also strikes out a lot.

  41. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    86w183
    January 30th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
    The Yanks already have six players for the three OF jobs and DH so I can’t see adding anyone without deleting someone. Still, Dunn at a discount is enticing even if it means a year of bad “D” before he moves to DH.

    I like the idea of adding Cruz if they have the money for it. Cruz/Marte/Bruney setting up Mariano would be pretty strong and let the kids fight for the other jobs.

    RAYVTNC—$ 20 Million for pinch hitters? That’s quite a roster!

    ———————————————————

    The 1996 Model that helped Joe T win was loaded with DH types. Strawberry, Fielder, Sierra, Raines & Leyritz. All got 200 ABs. Also had O’neill, Bernie & Gerald Williams. Leyritz was backup C, 2B & 3B.

  42. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    Patrick

    I like your style! LOL!

  43. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    JoeyA

    Sheets pitched ove 190 innings last year. Yes he has nasty stuff but he is a SP. I kind of like the 6 man rotation that was discussed last year by someone. Cash or Girardi???

  44. JoeyA January 30th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    You can’t compare late 90′s models to today. Those teams focused on big, home run hitting guys, because, thats where baseball was at at that time. Today, teams are getting younger, more athletic, i.e. Rays. And those are the kind of teams who succeed. So, you can say we won with those types of players, yea, but those kind of players aren’t taking you to the WS like they did in the 90′s.

  45. SteveB January 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Here’s what we should do—

    Let’s sign every single free agent available. Whatever free agents don’t make our 25 man roster we push back to Scranton, and then Trenton. And we keep this up every year for the next, say, 6 years or so. This will have several benefits– we will field the best 25 baseball players in the MLB, so we should win the World Series every year going forward. Then our minor league affiliates will be so far superior to their competition that they will win their respective championships every single year too. Think of it, those pimply-faced 18 year old brats in the short-season New York-Penn League will never be able to hit a guy like Ben Sheets.

  46. JoeyA January 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Sheets pitched ove 190 innings last year. Yes he has nasty stuff but he is a SP. I kind of like the 6 man rotation that was discussed last year by someone.

    Yea, and now all medical reports reflect how terrible of a state his arm is in. nobody will touch the guy because he is too big a risk as a SP. I think he would serve most teams well as a SP, but, if the Yankees were to get him, I believe, he would b better served in the BP.
    Again, I’ll say, Sheets would make a great SP for a lot of teams, BUT, for those making his case for the Yankees, I can’t see you putting him ahead of any of our SP’s for a rotation spot. Thus, BP is where he would serve THIS Yankee team best. JMO

  47. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    “The 1996 Model that helped Joe T win was loaded with DH types. Strawberry, Fielder, Sierra, Raines & Leyritz. All got 200 ABs. Also had O’neill, Bernie & Gerald Williams. Leyritz was backup C, 2B & 3B.”

    Strawberry could and mostly did play both corner OF positions. Raines and Leyritz played 14 games at DH combined. Sierra was traded.

    The reason the Yankees traded for Fielder was because they lacked a power-hitting DH type. Teams that are overloaded with DHs typically don’t win the World Series or even make the playoffs. You only have one DH. You need players who can also play the field.

    The reason the Yankees, and apparently every other team, are reluctant to make the sort of offers Manny demands is it’s a ton of money to spend on a DH who is terrible in LF and is just getting older.

  48. JoeyA January 30th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Steve B-
    Kei Igawa is lighting it up in AAA, it would be scary to think what Ben Sheets could do.

    What’s the deal with Igawa? I can’t imagine them giving him a shot sometime this year. Is he going to make his American career in AAA?

    Thoughts?

  49. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    JoeyA

    Actually the Yankees were fairly young and most were new to the team in 1996 (1st Torre season): (Ages after names below w/ a * after not there in 1995 when Buck left.)

    C Joe Girardi 31*
    1B *Tino Martinez 28*
    2B Mariano Duncan 33*
    3B *Wade Boggs 38
    SS Derek Jeter 22*
    LF Gerald Williams 29
    CF #Bernie Williams 27
    RF *Paul O’Neill 33
    DH #Ruben Sierra 30
    Jim Leyritz 32
    *Darryl Strawberry 34
    #Tim Raines 36*
    Cecil Fielder 32*
    *Andy Fox 25*

  50. 86w183 January 30th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Bad comparison… those OF/DH guys were all on the tail end of their careers, most of the Yankees guys are pretty much every day players. The Yanks need to keep some flexibility until they know what’s going to happen in CF.

  51. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    I neglected to mention that the 96 Yankees traded Sierra for Fielder.

  52. JoeyA January 30th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    Jeremy-
    I would say Manny’s proneness to quitting on the team when unhappy is what most teams are scared of. with a guy like Manny, sacrificing defense for offense is a no brainer, being that he is the best right handed hitter in the game. If you sacrifice for anybody, It”s Manny.
    Most teams are unwilling to give him a 2 or 3 year deal basically because of what he did to the RS.
    If there was some sort of agreement that Manny could sign giving us protection against him dogging it, I would LOVE the Yankees to make a few moves and make room for Manny. BUT, you don’t want to be on the team when he gets angry about something and decides to stop giving it his all.
    I think that’s why this whole situation with Manny is tricky. You want to do what’s best for the org. and make economical sense in your deals. You don’t want to give him too much cause it costs you, but, if you give him a team friendly deal, you run the risk of him being unhappy with that contract and playing like garbage.

  53. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    JoeyA

    I can agree that Sheets would be great in the bullpen as well. But, so could Joba, & bunch others. I just think that a 3 man rotation for the 4 & 5th spots would work well to keep the 3 questionable ones healthy & fresher longer till the end of the season. (Pettite, Joba & Sheets)

  54. gianthinker (Sign Juan Cruz!!!) January 30th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    “I’m not sure of the exact number, but it’s one we won’t worry about either way.” It sure doesn’t sound like Ca$hman is too hot on signing anyone. I still hope he thinks about Juan Cruz though. IMO Cruz could push our bullpen to elite status.

    CC
    AJ
    Wang
    Pettitte
    Joba

    Mo
    Cruz
    Veras
    Bruney
    Marte
    Coke
    Ramirez
    Aceves
    How many others can we name as pen possibilities. Cruz isn’t needed but he has elite setup stuff with the ability to close and he could bump Veras/Bruney to 7th inning guys which would make it a 6 inning game to beat us! SIGN JUAN CRUZ!!!

  55. SteveB January 30th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    JoeyA–

    I see you got the joke, I wonder how many will think I was serious.

    My take on Igawa is that he’s a AAAA ballplayer. Just not good enough to make it in the majors. So every spring the Yankee coaches will watch him & see if he shows them something different. Most likely he won’t, so he’ll go back to SWB to start every season. Clearly Cashman is bringing in pitchers as though he isn’t considering Igawa to be a part of the MLB staff. The only shot Igawa has (IMHO) to ‘stick’ with an MLB team– if Cashman somehow trades him, or if there is a rash of injuries and they decide to give Igawa another try.

    So he’ll most likely collect his money, and go back to Japan. I’m not upset about it though– the Yankees have the money to do things like this. Sometimes you get the elevator & sometimes you get the shaft.

  56. Sean Serritella January 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    SteveB, that was interesting.

    Off topic but I think Bruce should play Kingdom of Days at the Super Bowl.

  57. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Jeremy

    You are right Jeremy! They traded for Cecil Fielder & traded Siera away. (Another Joe T story!) LOL!

    They had this young CF & LF controversy of the B&G Williams. Raines & Strawberry played some LF. They also had Sojo, not sure if he came late in the season though.

  58. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    JoeyA,

    Good points, but an unhappy Manny is still a great hitter. Even assuming Manny wasn’t playing his hardest for the Sox in 2008, he was still batting .299/.398/.529. Imagine that, putting up those numbers at less than 100% effort.

    I agree that a team can typically make sacrifices for a hitter of Manny’s caliber, but Manny wants about $25 million a year. That’s a ton of money to commit to a player with negative defensive value.

    Add in the fear that he could give you less than his all, and he really is a risky investment. That’s why Dunn, if he really signs for under $10 million, could give a team more bang for the buck at this point.

  59. duh January 30th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    “And those are the kind of teams who succeed. So, you can say we won with those types of players, yea, but those kind of players aren’t taking you to the WS like they did in the 90’s.”

    this makes no sense.

    the game is still played by pitching a ball and trying to hit it.

    nothing has changed.

    so what if the Rays succeeded using a different style? that doesn’t mean it is now impossible to succeed by hitting a lot of HRs.

  60. not yet stimulated January 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    sean
    CHONE/marcell/oliver projections:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/proje.....type=chone

  61. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    duh

    The reason the Yankees went to the WS & won in 1996 wasn’t just the everyday players it was the pitching staff. (Mixture of these guys during season and playoffs, some were just part of the year w/ Yankees.)

    SP *Andy Pettitte
    SP *Jimmy Key
    SP David Cone
    SP Dwight Gooden
    SP *Kenny Rogers
    SP Ramiro Mendoza
    SP Scott Kamieniecki

    CL John Wetteland
    RP Mariano Rivera
    RP Jeff Nelson
    RP Bob Wickman
    LH *Graeme Lloyd
    LH *Steve Howe
    LH *Dale Polley
    RP Jim Mecir

  62. Bill January 30th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Posada’s health is the most serious NYY question mark. I believe the team will hold onto both Nady & Swisher until they are convinced Posada will be OK. Otherwise they can use one to pick up a catcher.

  63. The Cro January 30th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    If the Steinbrothers want to sell out those 7 remaining Luxury Suites – as well as the remainig “Premium” Seats – AND – increase the TV Ratings on the YES Network then I have one FA suggestion: Sign Manny and give him the # 6 Jersey to wear.

    Even on top of all those Machiavellian considerations, Manny’s lethal bat would make us an Offensive Juggernaut of historic proportions.

  64. Russell NY January 30th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    “Posada’s health is the most serious NYY question mark. I believe the team will hold onto both Nady & Swisher until they are convinced Posada will be OK. Otherwise they can use one to pick up a catcher.”

    VERY good point. Never thought of that Bill.

  65. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Duh

    I agree! The Rays won with a different style of speed & defense along with good SP pitching. The old Dodger model.

    A compliment of at least 2 aces is still the key to every WS winning team I can remember.

  66. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Bill

    That is a good thought. Nady & Swisher for a Catcher later if necessary or some other basic need due to injury.

  67. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    “They had this young CF & LF controversy of the B&G Williams. Raines & Strawberry played some LF. They also had Sojo, not sure if he came late in the season though.”

    They traded Gerald Williams away too. They claimed Sojo off waivers late in the season and used him as a utilityman.

    The Dynasty teams were so good in part because they were so versatile. They avoided taking on too many one-dimensional players like Fielder – who was a great addition precisely because the team didn’t have a power-hitting DH already. They were ridiculously deep (can you imagine having a player of Raines’s caliber coming off the bench today?). They had players like Bernie, Tino, O’Neill, and Knoblauch who could both hit and play their position well.

    In other words, they avoided the trap of loading up with DH types. We need to be careful not to do that today, especially since we need the DH spot for Matsui and possibly Damon and Posada.

  68. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    Knoblauch who could both hit and play their position well.

    ???

    Tell that to Keith Olbermann’s mother.

  69. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    “Posada’s health is the most serious NYY question mark. I believe the team will hold onto both Nady & Swisher until they are convinced Posada will be OK. Otherwise they can use one to pick up a catcher.”

    Unfortunately, Bill, neither of these guys would come close to getting the type of catcher who offers production anything close to what Posada has.

  70. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Rush Montero to the majors!

  71. Russell NY January 30th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Steve – I think he is looking for something viable, no one out there can replace a healthy Posada that is on the market. Another Molina would be nice so he doesn’t get burned out.

  72. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    Raines missed some time in ’96. Strawberry was signed in July. Feilder was aquired for Seirra at the deadline. G. Williams was shipped out (with Wickman for Pat Listash and Lloyd) once Raines was healthy and Straw proved he could play lf. Charlie Hayes came over later at waiver deadline.

    Strawberry had a 1000% fielding % in lf in 96.

  73. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    Tex’s NBF,

    I set myself up for that one.

    1998 was yip-free for Knoblauch. He was still The Fundamentally Sound Chuck Knoblauch at that point. I remember his throwing problems only got serious in 2000.

  74. E-Man January 30th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    oh man not Dunn talk again. Why did they bother releasing Giambi? It’s almost the same player.. low BA, High OBP and power but with more K’s. Horrible defensive player. It would be a dumb signing at any cost.

    Especially since Abreu is still out there and has moved his request to only 1 year. I’d rather have him back.

  75. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Russell:

    I know. Guess my point is that GOOD catching is a very hot commodity and guys like Nady and Swisher probably don’t get it for you. I’d prefer one of those guys to go for a good young prospect rather than a middlin’ catcher, who probably doesn’t offer a great deal more than Molina.

  76. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    “oh man not Dunn talk again. Why did they bother releasing Giambi? It’s almost the same player.”

    They play different positions. We signed Teixeira to replace Giambi.

    “low BA, High OBP and power but with more K’s. Horrible defensive player. It would be a dumb signing at any cost.”

    How can a player who hits 40 HR and walks over 100 times a year like clockwork be a dumb signing at any cost?

    He might not really be available for under $10 million. But if he is, he would be a huge bargain.

    “Especially since Abreu is still out there and has moved his request to only 1 year. I’d rather have him back.”

    Why? Abreu is also a horrible defensive player but isn’t nearly as good with the bat.

  77. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    “A compliment of at least 2 aces is still the key to every WS winning team I can remember.”

    Exception = 1989 LA Dodgers

    Maybe an exception = 1975 and 1976 Reds

  78. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    “Why? Abreu is also a horrible defensive player but isn’t nearly as good with the bat.”

    Put Abreu in a closet with Adam Dunn and the worst defensive player in the closet is NOT Abreu.

  79. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Meant 1988 Dodgers, not 1989.

  80. Patrick January 30th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    “Put Abreu in a closet with Adam Dunn and the worst defensive player in the closet is NOT Abreu.”

    They are both pretty bad but last year Dunn was the better defensive player. Honestly though its like trying to decide which fart smells better – they both stink!

  81. Ham Fighters January 30th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    even if jorge’s comeback is right on schedule and he’ll be ready to start on opening day, i think we need to lower our expectations on what we are going to get from the C position. even if healthy, i expect less production and less at-bats from posada, and more from molina. posada is older and had a career year before his injury.

    this is why gardner/melky worries me. if gardner cant hack being in the lineup 5x/wk, we will have 2 holes in the lineup in a quarter of our games (molina plus CF). that leaves girardi with bad choices, damon or swisher in CF or shortchange the lineup pretty regularly. thats alot to put on gardner who hasnt proved he belongs.

    i dont put too much stock in ST results so i dont like the idea of seeing how gardner/melky looks in ST before we make a move.

    i hope cash has something up his sleeve.

    projections for posada (take with a grain o salt):
    CHONE: 433AB 60R 16HR 67RBI .266BA.363OBP.434SLG
    CBS: 361AB 54R 13HR 59RBI .277BA .380OBP .476SLG

  82. SteveB January 30th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    SteveB meet Steve B

  83. dave January 30th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Looking at predictions for the yanks pitchers on baseballprojections.com to try to compare the current pitching staff to the staff in 2003 in which four of five pitchers pitched 200 innings with an era in the very low 4s or 3. i THOUGHT even projection-wise that these rotations would be somewhat comparable. Here is some ridiculous projections IMO:

    Joba is projected to pitch 101 innings (that is ONE more inning than last year)
    Andy is projected to pitch 165 innings to the tune of a 4.64 era (Andy had a bad shoulder last year all of the second half and still managed to pitch about 40 more innings than that and had an era .1 lower)
    This is the most craptastic of the projections:
    Wang is projected to pitch 133 innings, go 8 and 6 with a 4.47 era (WHAT?!!! After the flukiest of injuries in which wang missed half the season but still went 8 and 2 with a 4.07 era, they expect wang to have by far the worst season of his career at age 28 – Not BLOODY likely)

    The hitting projections make a tad more sense but this is why projections are NOT to be trusted. As you can see, they rely far too heavily on last years production. Otherwise, how in the world do they have a 28 year old missing almost half of a season after doing so last year and chamberlain moving up his workload by all of 1 inning from last year. The sabathia and AJ projections make a hell of a lot more sense than the other three. This would be a brutal scenario if it came true but that is why seasons must be played on the field and NOT on paper.

  84. MYGIRLS January 30th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    “Mo and Posada optimistic for Opening Day” LOL, what? Nice, lump them in w/Pavano Hughes. Boy, this team is OLD, OLD, OLD. Maybe I will get each of them a grabber for x-mas next year

  85. Tarheelyank January 30th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Jesus Montero MLB scounting report. Check out the video. Is that Pete narrating?

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorle.....pid=524968

  86. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    “SteveB meet Steve B”

    What’s up?

  87. saucY January 30th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    mygirls = drive-by-troll…

  88. SteveB January 30th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    Apparently we are two Steve’s separated only by a space.

  89. Sean Serritella January 30th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    not yet stimulated, thank you for that. I’m going to use it for fantasy baseball because I have nothing to lose. I either come in last place or next to last place in fantasy baseball.

  90. Patrick January 30th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Definitely NOT Pete narrating the scouting report.

    So I was just reading Pujols’ comments on Manny. For anyone that missed it, here is the snippet from rotoworld.com:

    Albert Pujols said Thursday that he speaks regularly with Manny Ramirez and the free agent recently told him, “No one wants to sign me.”
    “I’m not an agent or general manager, but I can’t understand how Manny has not signed,” Pujols said. “Maybe St. Louis doesn’t have the money to sign him, but he could give them a discount because St. Louis is a great city that supports its players.” The Cardinals have already made it clear that they’re not interested.

    Can you imagine a 3-4 of Pujols and Ramirez? Two of the greatest right-handed hitters of ALL TIME. I hope Manny does sign with the Cardinals just so I can see that.

  91. Bob(The Original) January 30th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Another Molina would be nice so he doesn’t get burned out.

    ——————————–

    Another Molina?

    Really?

    One Molina isn’t bad enough.

    If Jorge is unable to go, they need to get someone one helluva lot better than Molina.

  92. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    Does Professor CHONE have insider info on Posada’s shoulder?

  93. Ham Fighters January 30th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    sean, u wanna get good at fantasy baseball this is a great place to start:

    http://www.mockdraftcentral.com/draft.jsp?id=90142

    u can try it free

  94. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    And Original Bob, you should know better. If one Molina isn’t getting the job done there’s always another Molina around the corner.

  95. Laura - Welcome back, Andy!! January 30th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    “If Jorge is unable to go, they need to get someone one helluva lot better than Molina.”

    You must be talking about his offense because defensive wise, Molina is better than Posada.

  96. Ham Fighters January 30th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    unfair to lump all brothers together

    b molina 2008 16HR 95 RBI .292BA .322OBP .445SLG

  97. Wave Your Hat January 30th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    ““A compliment of at least 2 aces is still the key to every WS winning team I can remember.”

    I thought I’d check that out. You can define an “ace” in different ways, but here are the World Series teams since the 1975 Reds that clearly did not have two aces (based on how they pitched in the year they won the Series, not on reputation):

    Phillies 2008: Hamels only
    St. Louis 2006: Carpenter only
    Toronto 1993: None (names, but no ace that year)
    Reds 1990: Armstrong only
    Twins 1987: Viola only (Blyleven? past his prime)
    St. Louis 1982: Andujar only
    Phillies 1980: Carlton only
    Yankees 1977: Guidry only
    Reds 1975: Gullett only

  98. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    “You must be talking about his offense because defensive wise, Molina is better than Posada.”

    Yup, by a country mile. But I think he was talking about one who could catch and contribute some offensively.

  99. Al from BK January 30th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Molina is the best catcher in the Yankees organization defensively.

  100. Laura - Welcome back, Andy!! January 30th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    “Yup, by a country mile. But I think he was talking about one who could catch and contribute some offensively.”

    Oh, okay.

  101. Bob(The Original) January 30th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    You must be talking about his offense because defensive wise, Molina is better than Posada.

    —————————-

    So?

    Molina’s total lack of offensive ability makes any value his defense has worthless. Alot more runs are lost due to his bat than are saved with his arm.

    He’s fine if he’s gonna be getting 20-25 starts a season, but like last year proves, if he has to play with any regularity it’s a major problem.

  102. dave January 30th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Yea – bengie offensively is a heck of a lot better than Jose in case someone hasn’t noticed. He doesnt walk AT ALL but he can still hit close to 300 with a little less than 20 homeruns. Im pretty sure he led the giants in homeruns last year – not like that is exactly an accomplishment however.

  103. dave January 30th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    bob,

    I was arguing that same exact thing last week – some ppl choose to have very short term memories or pretend like posada will be healthy the rest of his career.

  104. Greg Costello January 30th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    “And, no, Cash wouldn’t way whether than plan to sign anybody else.”

    Proofreading, Pete. Proofreading. That is not even close to a sentence.

  105. dave January 30th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Liriano is ranked tenth and joba fourteenth on rotoworld top starters to draft for fantasy baseball – you have to love that kind of optimism no?

  106. yankeefan91 Arod fan January 30th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    sign manny, sign cruz, trade nady and for sum reason i want sheets this team would have the pitching and the hittin and a strong bench if u keep swisher and nady this would be the best offseason ever

  107. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    “If Jorge is unable to go, they need to get someone one helluva lot better than Molina.”

    Pretty damn tough to do these days.

  108. Al from BK January 30th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    “Liriano is ranked tenth and joba fourteenth on rotoworld top starters to draft for fantasy baseball – you have to love that kind of optimism no?”

    Mostly for their K numbers I assume they both strike-out more than 1 batter per inning.

  109. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    dave: Bengie Molina did lead the Giants in homers, but not many people know that you were second.

    Maybe we can get B. Molina from the Giants for K. Igawa. We just have to convince Sabean that the Giants don’t really need a good catcher until Buster Posey is ready in 2011/2012 and the lack of a catcher will be more than offset by the Japan revenue that Igawa brings in.

  110. Bob(The Original) January 30th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    “If Jorge is unable to go, they need to get someone one helluva lot better than Molina.”

    Pretty damn tough to do these days.

    —————————————–

    Tough to find a good catcher? Yeah.

    Tough to find one better than Molina? Not so much.

    Montero is available from Arizona. There’s a deal there to be made I’m sure.

  111. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    “Liriano is ranked tenth and joba fourteenth on rotoworld top starters to draft for fantasy baseball – you have to love that kind of optimism no?”

    Sabathia #5 on the same list (Joba was actually #15). Burnett surprisingly not in the Top 40. Nor was Wang, but that’s far less surprising.

  112. Bob January 30th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Sox resigned Varitek

  113. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    “Montero is available from Arizona. There’s a deal there to be made I’m sure.”

    Not for Nady or Swisher, he’s not. Yanks would have to turn to the farm for a matchup there.

  114. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    I may be in the minority who think that Melky will be the starting CF and will have a much better year. I say .275/15hr/55rbi

    I hope everyone who says that this team is too old wasnt advocating the Cameron/Melky trade last month. Giving up a 25 year old for a 36 year old isnt getting younger. Trading Hughes, Kennedy and anyone else people are interested in, for an established ace is not getting younger…

  115. dave January 30th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Nick,

    I was second? Sweet, wheres my paycheck? I would even take league minimum. I know the giants were terrible offensively and had about as much power as our all prospect yankee team would have against major league teams but im just saying Bengie is better with the bat than jose.

    yankeefan91,

    When was the last time we had a more productive off-season than this one? I mean we already got the top offensive talent, the top pitching talent and the third most sought after FA in the market. We traded nothing of use for a guy with 380 obp, 30 homerun potential in 2009 and created competition for backup outfielder and infielder roles. And re-signing pettitte gave us a lot of rotation depth. I see this team needed one thing and that is a backup catcher with a little more pop in his bat than molina who will take a minor league deal and maybe jaun cruz if we can get him REAL cheap but even if we dont get either of those, this is still the best off season the yanks have had in quite some time.

  116. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    Bruces 4 songs confirmed
    1- 10th ave
    2- Born to Run
    3- Working on a dream
    4- Glory days

    Don’t like the order wish it would be 10th,WOAD,Glory,Born
    Some type of medley I would imagine

    Could be the best 12 minutes of Super Bowl history lol

    Isn’t that all that matters this weekend?

  117. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    the D-Backs want value in return for Montero, though.

  118. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Im excited about Tek’s deal. Two year deal? Two seasons of batting .220? I know how he is supposedly great with the pitchers, but it has to be in his head now just how bad his offense has become.

  119. Bob(The Original) January 30th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    “Montero is available from Arizona. There’s a deal there to be made I’m sure.”

    Not for Nady or Swisher, he’s not. Yanks would have to turn to the farm for a matchup there.

    ——————————–

    I didn’t say for Nady or Swisher did I?

  120. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    Who are we offering Ian Kennedy to this week?

  121. dave January 30th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    Steve,

    Sabathia at five and wang and aj not in the top forty was not as surprising to me as joba in the top 15 – i mean what are the chances he pitches more than 150 innings next year with the yankees likely needing him for the playoffs. I would say there is no chance he pitches more than 150 innings in the regular season. And liriano also cannot and will not pitch THAT many innings next year. Thats why i found it a little surprising.

  122. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Boston Globe:

    “Varitek will earn $5 million in 2009, with the club holding a $5 million option for 2010. If the Red Sox do not pick up that option, Varitek has the choice of remaining with the club on a $3 million deal. In ’10, he can earn another $2 million in incentives based on playing time, beginning at 80 games started.

    Thus, the potential total value of the deal increases from $8 million-$10 million to $10 million-$12 million. The incentives apply to both the team and player options for 2010.”

    Seriously? Why did the Sox agree to this?

  123. Bob(The Original) January 30th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    Seriously? Why did the Sox agree to this?

    ——————————-

    Because they have all those jerseys with “C”s on them that they don’t know what to do with?

  124. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    “Im excited about Tek’s deal. Two year deal?”

    Per Boston.com, it’s one and an option. $5M for ’09 and a dual option (Boston can keep him in ’10 for $5M. If they pass, Varitek has the option of playing for $3M). Possibility of $2M in incentives for ’10, based on playing time that begin at 80 games started.

  125. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 2:33 pm

    Is he also given the title of “Bestest superperest captain with a beard the world has ever known”?

  126. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    With Manny here is my 25 man roster:
    Damon
    Jeter
    Tex
    Arod
    Manny
    Posada
    Cano
    Swisher
    Melky

    Bench – Molina, Gardner, Berroa, OF/IF ? Duncan wouldn’t be bad to PH for CF occasionally and he’s a good bench guy
    Pitchers – CC,AJ,CMW,Andy,Joba
    Pen – Mo, Marte, Coke, Bruney, Veres, Ramirez, Robertson or Melancon

    I had to chime in one more time as RayVTNC was getting pounded before lol

  127. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    The Wang projection numbers were the most ridiculous of all.

    ‘Wang is projected to pitch 133 innings, go 8 and 6 with a 4.47 era (WHAT?!!! After the flukiest of injuries in which wang missed half the season but still went 8 and 2 with a 4.07 era, they expect wang to have by far the worst season of his career at age 28 – Not BLOODY likely)’

    8-6? What exactly do they base that record on? 2006 when he was 19-6, 2007 when he was 19-7 or 2008 when he was 8-2??? The ERA is believable, but the record???

  128. Russell NY January 30th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Varitek resigned with the Red Sox.

  129. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Tom, no, but he will get a “4″ next to his “C” to commemorate his 4 no-hitters.

    Admittedly getting ahead of myself, but how do the Boston media and fans treat him if he has a terrible 2009 and then exercises his player option to play for $3 million in 2010?

  130. Nick in SF January 30th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    Forget the money and the years, is Varitek the Super Duper Captain or isn’t he?????

    “Could be the best 12 minutes of Super Bowl history lol”

    Bruce could sing a 12 minute medley of my LoHud posts and I don’t think I would like it as much as Wide Right and Eli-to-Tyree and Eli-to-Plax.

  131. Yankee history January 30th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    Exactly what is Torre’s beef ? The Yankees cut Phil Rizzuto on Old Timers Day in 1956. They dumped Babe Ruth and refused to offer him a coaching position when they knew he wanted more than anything to become a manager. They fired manager Bucky Harris one year after he won the World Series. They fired Casey Stengel and George Weiss after Game 7 of the 1960 World Series, fired Yogi Berra after game 7 of the 1964 series, and look at how Steinbrenner maliciously toyed with Billy Martin all those years, always holding out the possibility of coming back to manage when he should have told him it would never happen until he went to AA and dried out.

  132. Ham Fighters January 30th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    the average draft report (5×5 ml) on mdc has sabathia being the third pithcer taken on average. (behind santana and lincicum).

    i have him 2nd, 30th pick overall (santana 16th overall)

    but thats fantasy baseball it isnt any indication of actual baseball value.

  133. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Tom
    January 30th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
    Raines missed some time in ‘96. Strawberry was signed in July. Feilder was aquired for Seirra at the deadline. G. Williams was shipped out (with Wickman for Pat Listash and Lloyd) once Raines was healthy and Straw proved he could play lf. Charlie Hayes came over later at waiver deadline.

    Strawberry had a 1000% fielding % in lf in 96.
    ———————————————————————-
    Not quite Strawberry played for the Yankees in 1995.

  134. Russell NY January 30th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    With Gardner in CF and Molina at catcher here is our lineup:

    Damon, Jeter, Tex, ARod, Matsui, Cano, Nady, Gardner, Molina

    That’s still pretty darn good. If Gardner can learn to hit .270 (and I think he will) then we would only have 1 weak hitter. We can deal with that.

  135. Al from BK January 30th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    “Wang is projected to pitch 133 innings, go 8 and 6 with a 4.47 era (WHAT?!!! After the flukiest of injuries in which wang missed half the season but still went 8 and 2 with a 4.07 era, they expect wang to have by far the worst season of his career at age 28″

    Who made that projection? Peter Gammons?

  136. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 2:41 pm

    Torre’s beef is he was sooo mistreated by the Steinbrenners and Cashman. The same ownership that paid him over $50M in his tenure (12 years). They were HORRIBLE to this man. The nerve to ask him to take a measley $5M with $3M in incentives (still would have been the highest paid in 08′) and be accountable to the lack of playoff success since their last title.

  137. dave January 30th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    Tex’s new best friend,

    Not just the record but the innings pitched from wang? I mean come on. He was injured last year but he is right smack in the middle of his prime and that is not some nagging injury. Wang’s worst era in a season of his only four seasons is last year at 4.07. hey predict it to go up by .4 from the worst era wang has ever had at 28. I dont understand where that get the record, the era or the innings? Why would wang have the worst era of his career by far at 28 now that he no longer feels the pressure to be an ace?

    This is more likely a prediction for wang:

    201 innings, 3.89 era, 17-5.

    And i dont even think that is all that far-fetched for him considering his 2006 and 2007 totals. That would be a slight step back from those numbers after returning from an injured season but how much regression can you expect at 28 with no real injury concerns to speak of at the moment.

  138. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    Yes, Strawberry did play on the ’95 team- 32 games to be exact. But he wasn’t signed in ’96 until the 4th of July.

  139. rover January 30th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    thats why we have 43% molina on the bench. cant expect jorge to be 100% early on, so running teams will get a dose of molina if Po isnn’t up to snuff, imo

  140. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    I am going out on a limb here.

    AJ Burnett makes 30 starts this season!!!

  141. Pauly- Shorten the damn game! January 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    You guys want more high priced FA’s? Really? Am I the only one who thinks that all this spending is getting a little out of hand?

  142. Brad January 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Varitek is in the middle of divorce settlement with his soon to be ex in Georgia. She must be thrilled with the contract.
    He’ll be riding around in a ’91 Oldsmobile before long.

  143. rover January 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

    Yankeefan23
    January 30th, 2009 at 11:41 am
    Can we start a new discussion. I read the Pinch Hit blog today and thought to myself, hmm maybe I am overly optimistic. Anybody terrified of the fact that the Rays game plans against the Yanks will be the wreak havoc on the basepaths. I mean, more than any other year. They will torment Jorge’s shoulder all year. Not just that, think about teams like the Angels, and it may be a long year. Anybody else think about this stuff?

    thats why we have 43% molina on the bench. cant expect jorge to be 100% early on, so running teams will get a dose of molina if Po isnn’t up to snuff, imo

  144. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    “Admittedly getting ahead of myself, but how do the Boston media and fans treat him if he has a terrible 2009 and then exercises his player option to play for $3 million in 2010?”

    Like Julio Lugo?

    Don’t think the $3M in ’10 is a terribly big deal for them. It’s short money and it doesn’t have any bearing at all on their roster/payroll flexibility. I’d guess the Sox still look for a young catcher and Varitek will end up be Girardi to the new guy’s Posada for a couple of years. Girardi was useless offensively in 1998 and 1999 but was paid $6.3M for those two years as they turned the job over to Posada full time. Considering inflation and all, $8M for the same two year gig 10 years later probably isn’t all that crazy.

  145. Laura - Welcome back, Andy!! January 30th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    “I am going out on a limb here. AJ Burnett makes 30 starts this season!!!”

    That’s a shaky limb. :P

  146. Al from BK January 30th, 2009 at 2:50 pm

    “AJ Burnett makes 30 starts this season!!!”

    For 83 million I sure hope so.

  147. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    YankeeRay

    Thank-you YankeeRay!! LOL!

  148. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    “AJ Burnett makes 30 starts this season!!!”

    For 83 million I sure hope so.

    $16.5 (82.5 if i said 30 starts each of the next 5 years). That is unlikely.

  149. Wave Your Hat January 30th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    “I’d guess the Sox still look for a young catcher and Varitek will end up be Girardi to the new guy’s Posada for a couple of years.”

    No, it’s all about Joe Mauer. Time to wake up.

  150. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    Thanks Tom! I didn’t remember that!

  151. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Pauly- Shorten the damn game!
    January 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
    You guys want more high priced FA’s? Really? Am I the only one who thinks that all this spending is getting a little out of hand?

    ——

    Yes

    They all hate us anyway so why not throw the Manny haymaker?

  152. dave January 30th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Al,

    Baseballprojections.com made the wang projections above.

  153. Ham Fighters January 30th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    ill say this, if the yankees get 153 starts out of thier top 5 this year they will win the al east going away.

  154. Al from BK January 30th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    “Al,

    Baseballprojections.com made the wang projections above.”

    What a disgrace. I bet they didnt even know what kind of injury Wang had. He will bounce back as long as Girardi doesnt let him swing the bat in interleague games.

  155. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    HE can swing, just dont send him home from second on a little base hit.

  156. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Yankee history
    January 30th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
    Exactly what is Torre’s beef ? The Yankees cut Phil Rizzuto on Old Timers Day in 1956. They dumped Babe Ruth and refused to offer him a coaching position when they knew he wanted more than anything to become a manager. They fired manager Bucky Harris one year after he won the World Series. They fired Casey Stengel and George Weiss after Game 7 of the 1960 World Series, fired Yogi Berra after game 7 of the 1964 series, and look at how Steinbrenner maliciously toyed with Billy Martin all those years, always holding out the possibility of coming back to manage when he should have told him it would never happen until he went to AA and dried out.
    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Again, I don’t think Torre is mad at George, just those who hid behind his image and did their dirty work. Joe T could take being fired, it was the waffling that he hated. That is why he wanted a 2 yr deal so that he could have the support of ownership. Anyone can handle we don’t need you anymore. But to put George at his desk & use it as George’s idea is kind of sick & disrespectful.

    Martin was protected by George as well. He was enabled to do his work which was never long lasting but he always had a 1 to 2 yr impact!

  157. dave January 30th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    You guys all realize that if pettitte was NOT resigned, AJ would have been the veteran in our rotation. iN 2010, im sure he will be the veteran. Never made 30 starts 2 seasons in a row from 24 to 32. Will he make 30 starts 2 seasons in a row from 32 to 37?? Im not going to hold my breathe.

  158. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    “No, it’s all about Joe Mauer. Time to wake up.”

    That could be too. Of course, they won’t be alone in that pursuit, and the Twins could trade him ahead of free agency, so I’d assume they would not operate under the presumption they’ll have him after 2010.

  159. Bob(The Original) January 30th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    YankeeRay
    January 30th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
    Pauly- Shorten the damn game!
    January 30th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
    You guys want more high priced FA’s? Really? Am I the only one who thinks that all this spending is getting a little out of hand?
    ———
    Yes

    They all hate us anyway so why not throw the Manny haymaker?

    ———————————-

    I don’t want Manny, but that made me laugh.

  160. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    You dont need veterans/older players to win. Tampa made the series last year and their oldest starter was 26 year old James Shields.

  161. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    My prediction of SP W/L’s:

    CC Sabathia 18-7 3.42
    AJ Burnett 16-9 3.99
    Chien-Ming Wang 18-9 3.19
    Andy Pettite 10-8 4.23
    Joba Chamberlain 11-3 2.99

    About 75 Wins for the starting staff. (73 shown LOL!)

  162. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    AJ Burnett 16-9 3.99
    Chien-Ming Wang 18-9 3.19

    Records are good, both ERA’s will be higher.

  163. Wave Your Hat January 30th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    “That could be too. Of course, they won’t be alone in that pursuit, and the Twins could trade him ahead of free agency, so I’d assume they would not operate under the presumption they’ll have him after 2010.”

    I’m sure the Sox won’t make the presumption, but I’m also pretty sure they want the decks clear to make a run at him.

    The Yanks will too, of course. I see a contest pricier than Teixeira coming up.

  164. Russell NY January 30th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    73-36 Ray? Would take that in a heartbeat, especially with our bullpen.

  165. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    What will happen to Red Sock Nation (also known as ESPN) if they come in 3rd or 4th as I predicted earlier. LOL!

    Maybe Fox Nation, I mean Yankee World will prevail! LOL!

  166. Bob(The Original) January 30th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    I’m sure the Sox won’t make the presumption, but I’m also pretty sure they want the decks clear to make a run at him.

    ————————————

    Just like they did with Teixeira. :)

  167. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    The Yankees will not go after Mauer if they feel that Jesus Montero will make it to the majors in 3 years, with the stats he is looking to bring with him.

  168. Russell NY January 30th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

    “AJ Burnett 16-9 3.99
    Chien-Ming Wang 18-9 3.19

    Records are good, both ERA’s will be higher.”

    Tex… here are Burnett’s ERA’s over the last 5 years:

    4.07
    3.75
    3.98
    3.44
    3.68

    I think 3.99 is reasonable.

  169. dave January 30th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    153 starts from 5 starters split evenly is over 30 starts per pitcher. Joba will not make it (probably 22) and sabathia has only made 35 tops in his career. Id put wang and pettitte both at an even 30 which gives us 117 starts out of 4 pitchers if everything works out. AJ made 34 starts last year which was the most in his career and he has never made 30 in a row. But if we go with 34, that gives us 151 starts thinking EXTREMELY optimistically.

    That gives us:
    CC- 35 (tied for career high)
    Wang – 30 – 33 (very probable as 33 is career high)
    AJ – 31 – 34 (VERY improbable as it would break his 9 year streak of never making 30 plus consecutive starts)
    Pettitte – 30 (probable – he made 33 starts last year but he is a 37 year old with shoulder problems)
    Joba – 22 (I think he can pitch 150 innings in the regular season which should put him around this number)

    Is this likely? NO. Is this possible? Yes. Do we need this to get into the playoffs? definitely not but we should want three of those five to hit 30 starts.

  170. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    These are my projections! LOL! I picked the RSox to win last year & D-Rays to come in second. I missed that one, but I didn’t think Manny would be gone!! LOL! (I know they played better w/o him stat wise & W&L’s) LOL!

  171. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    Touche on AJ, but 3.19 for Wang is pushing it a little.

  172. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    If everyone god willing stays healthy, any chance they go to a 6 man rotation in the middle of the year with Hughes?

  173. Wave Your Hat January 30th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    “The Yankees will not go after Mauer if they feel that Jesus Montero will make it to the majors in 3 years, with the stats he is looking to bring with him.”

    Most scouts think Montero’s future is not at catcher. I of course hope Montero turns out to be a great catcher, just like I hope YankeeRay’s campaign to sign Manny works out, but I’m not counting on either one to happen.

    Red Sox vs. Yanks for Mauer. Mano a Mano. Get your tickets now!

  174. Bob(The Original) January 30th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    The Yankees will not go after Mauer if they feel that Jesus Montero will make it to the majors in 3 years, with the stats he is looking to bring with him.

    —————————–

    Montero will probably not be a catcher for much longer. He’s too big.

    Romine is more likely to make it to the big club as catcher than he is.

  175. dave January 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    His bat is NOT much of a question mark but How long will montero be able to catch though? He already is not that good defensively and i dont see him getting a heck of a lot better as he gets older.

  176. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 3:19 pm

    Thanks Russell NY! Nothing like facts to support an opinion!

  177. dave January 30th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    mauer could always be traded. Why wouldnt the twins see what they can get for him? It would be a pretty awesome package im sure.

  178. gianthinker (Sign Juan Cruz!!!) January 30th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    “I’m not sure of the exact number, but it’s one we won’t worry about either way.” It sure doesn’t sound like Ca$hman is too hot on signing anyone. I still hope he thinks about Juan Cruz though. IMO Cruz could push our bullpen to elite status.
    CC
    AJ
    Wang
    Pettitte
    Joba
    Mo
    Cruz
    Veras
    Bruney
    Marte
    Coke
    Ramirez
    Aceves
    How many others can we name as pen possibilities. Cruz isn’t needed but he has elite setup stuff with the ability to close and he could bump Veras/Bruney to 7th inning guys which would make it a 6 inning game to beat us! SIGN JUAN CRUZ!!!

  179. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    “The Yanks will too, of course. I see a contest pricier than Teixeira coming up.”

    It’ll be interesting. Yankees will still have Posada at $13M for another year after Mauer is an FA, but he won’t be catching by then most likely. As it stands now, in 2010 the Yankees have $127M committed to 8 players (which does not include Wang)and decisions to make on Jeter and Mo. It’ll be interesting to see where they are.

    Other piece of that is how many more miles Mauer have as a catcher after 2010. Lot of baseball people feel he would not be long for the C postion due to his size.

  180. Wave Your Hat January 30th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    dave, Mauer may very well be traded but I don’t see him not hitting the free agent market. His potential payday is too big too ignore.

  181. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    Tex’s New Best Friend

    You are probably right. But the Wanger has had time to reflect. He has some awesome skills, but he needs to learn how to use his pitches more effectively. I believe Molina will catch all his starts, and I believe he calls a better game. JMO.

  182. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

    “As it stands now, in 2010 the Yankees have $127M committed to 8 players (which does not include Wang)and decisions to make on Jeter and Mo.”

    My bad. It’s actually 8 players and $127M in committments for the 2011 season, not 2010.

  183. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 3:26 pm

    gianthinker (Sign Juan Cruz!!!)

    I like Cruz’s skills but wonder how he’d do in AL East now. I personally like Bruney as the setup. But I think barring injuries to the starters, Joba will be setup in playoffs unless he is lights out during the season and has innings left. That would move Bruney/Marte to 7th then as well.

  184. E-Man January 30th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

    “How can a player who hits 40 HR and walks over 100 times a year like clockwork be a dumb signing at any cost?”

    Because there aren’t 40 games in a season.

    The guy also averages more strikeouts than hits and more strikeouts than games played.. Yes that’s over 162 strikeouts a year. So we’re stuck with another all or nothing guy hitting 5th with runners in scoring position just so you can get excited about the baseball going into the seats 40 times a year.

    Abreu averages more walks, more hits, the same amount of RBI’s and less strikeouts. Abreu is more of a solid hitter than Adam Dunn is.

  185. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Carrot to Manny! 18+ games with Boston in prime time!

    Loaded pitching staff in NY! Another ring!! Check swing as a HR to right field!

    Hope he comes to NY as a Yankee!

  186. dave January 30th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    Giantthinker,

    It appears me and you just dont disagree on anything… I agree – cruz will be a steal of a deal. pETE said at least once that next years draft starts off big in talent and tapers down to nothing relatively quickly. So I assume the fourth round does not hold many future MLB players. Every other team outside of the yankees has to be worried about signing a type A free agent and losing their first or second pick except for the yanks. We have the luxury of getting our first and second round pick no matter how many type A’s we sign and that is three and counting.

    Demand predicts price of a player but not always the value of a player. Cruz will have a small price tag because of the lack of demand but BIG value. Look at his numbers last year. I know our bullpen may be stacked but it is filled with very young and not yet proven talent that has a ton of potential. We might as well add one more guy that has a little more of a resume. And i DONT particularly like using marte only for the bridge to Mo situations especially if he is the only left hander in the pen.

  187. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    E-Man

    I think you are helping to sell Manny! LOL! I like that!

  188. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Bob(The Original)
    January 30th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
    The Yankees will not go after Mauer if they feel that Jesus Montero will make it to the majors in 3 years, with the stats he is looking to bring with him.
    ——————————————-

    Montero will probably not be a catcher for much longer. He’s too big.

    Romine is more likely to make it to the big club as catcher than he is.

    ————————————————————

    You mean, too big, like the 6’5″, 230 pound Mauer, or a 6’3″, 225 pound Carlton Fisk, who played for 24 years, or, 6’1″, 230 pound Geovany Soto, or 6’4″, 210 pound Jarrod Saltalamacchia (that everyone is drooling over)?

  189. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 3:33 pm

    dave

    Nice sound logic. But I think Bruney is going to be the setup guy, with Marte & Melacon as backups. Probably Joba in playoffs. So Cruz is less a factor of need. IMO. Still like him though.

    Manny is a need.

  190. Wave Your Hat January 30th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    GB,

    Montero is only 19. Fisk was a well known exercise freak. Scouts seem almost unanimous saying he doesn’t project as a catcher.

    You have to give Montero an opportunity to develop as a catcher, and I hope he does, but IMO it’s like drawing to an inside straight.

  191. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

    dave
    January 30th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
    His bat is NOT much of a question mark but How long will montero be able to catch though? He already is not that good defensively and i dont see him getting a heck of a lot better as he gets older.

    ————————————————————

    Have you ever seen Montero play? Yeah…I didn’t think so. Stick to what you know or see…like shaving dogs and cats for surgery.

  192. Wave Your Hat January 30th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    “Have you ever seen Montero play? Yeah…I didn’t think so. Stick to what you know or see…like shaving dogs and cats for surgery.”

    That’s a ridiculous attack. Plenty of scouts have seen Montero who don’t think he’ll turn out to be a catcher.

  193. E-Man January 30th, 2009 at 3:39 pm

    “E-Man

    I think you are helping to sell Manny! LOL! I like that!”

    I’d take Abreu over Manny. I trust him more. Don’t get me wrong though.. Manny would be great but he’s too expensive and his contract would have to be incentive based on a year to year basis. I don’t think he (or Boras) would go for that type of contract.

  194. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 3:43 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    January 30th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
    GB,

    Montero is only 19. Fisk was a well known exercise freak. Scouts seem almost unanimous saying he doesn’t project as a catcher.

    You have to give Montero an opportunity to develop as a catcher, and I hope he does, but IMO it’s like drawing to an inside straight.

    ————————————————————

    All anybody ever talks about is that he’s big. That kid doesn’t have an ounce of fat on him. He’s got a great arm…strong, accurate…needs to work on the footwork, that Pena will be a great help with. Hard to tell about his game calling, because the pitches, for the most part are called by Torre Tyson, the manager. He’s a better defensive catcher than Romine and fairly close to what Posada in 1998-1999. The bat needs no explaination. He’s agressive with control. He makes a baseball very small, very quick.

  195. dave January 30th, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Ray,

    Thanks. I agree with Melancon – he could be huge for us next year – the key word being could. There is no guarantee. I really like Bruney – he has some quality talent but its hard to ignore his extremely mediocre 2007 and his even worse 2005. It seems that any season he goes over 35 innings he is loses it. mARTE is a quality, proven bullpen arm but he may very well be the only lefty in our pen if coke goes to AAA. i DONT like using the only lefty as the setup guy even though his splits are not that big. Plus, marte has not proved that he can handle NY.

    Granted, all of these guys have a ton of talent combined along with Robertson, Albadejo, Cox, Coke etc. and im sure at least a few of them will come through next season and give us a quality pen. But again, why not take a bargain when we can get one? Cruz will be a big bargain if he signs with us. It cant hurt to take a bargain and throw some more talent into the mix. right?

  196. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    “He’s a better defensive catcher than Romine and fairly close to what Posada in 1998-1999.”

    But Posada’s never been a good defensive catcher. If what you’re suggesting is that Montero can be what Posada is as a catcher but, like Jorge, it can be stomached because of his bat, then…cool, I guess.

  197. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    E-Man
    January 30th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
    “E-Man

    I think you are helping to sell Manny! LOL! I like that!”

    I’d take Abreu over Manny.

    ——-

    What?

  198. dave January 30th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    GB,

    Its not his size that concerns me. its the percentage of runners that he has thrown out – i heard it was extremely bad last year from someone else on this blog. Is that the case? And if so, can we count on him significantly improving his caught stealing numbers as he moves from high A to the majors?

  199. Gary January 30th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Joe Mauer is a lifelong resident of St.Paul, Minnesota and the Twins will do what it takes to sign him long term.
    They will have a new stadium in 2011 and the money to do it.
    Carl Pohlad died recently and the family will loosen the purse stings he kept tight for years.
    Scott Boras is not his agent.

  200. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Wave Your Hat
    January 30th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
    “Have you ever seen Montero play? Yeah…I didn’t think so. Stick to what you know or see…like shaving dogs and cats for surgery.”

    That’s a ridiculous attack. Plenty of scouts have seen Montero who don’t think he’ll turn out to be a catcher.

    ————————————————————

    Hardly an attack. What you consider scouts, I’m not sure, but, sites that take one report and pass it around isn’t scouting. You see the same thing about Brandon Laird and the kid doesn’t strike out, has big time power. When have you ever seen a good report on any Yankee system player? Acrding to them, they are fillers, maybes and overrated…yet, they had the winningest system in baseball in 2008. Keith Law is not the “God Of Scouting”.

  201. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    “Its not his size that concerns me. its the percentage of runners that he has thrown out”

    Don’t know what his percentage was, but couple reports I’ve read indicate a strong arm, but that he’s slow as molasses postioning himself to throw.

  202. Wave Your Hat January 30th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    “Joe Mauer is a lifelong resident of St.Paul, Minnesota and the Twins will do what it takes to sign him long term.”

    I’d much rather the Twins kept Mauer than the Red Sox get him. But we’ll see – the Twins would really have to change their spots in order to bid into the stratosphere where Mauer’s salary is likely to go.

  203. dave January 30th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    Steve,

    i would say that montero could have a much better bat than posada in the majors or at the very least better if all the scouting reports are accurate and his talent continues to progress at each level. He should put up some tremendous power numbers for a catcher while still taking a ton of walks. His line last year was 326 376 491 with 17 homers in 525 at bats. I know it was A ball but the kid is NINETEEN!! That is some big power for a 19 year old. hE ALSO had 34 doubles – a lot of which can become home runs with time. iF everything works out and thats still an if, people say he could be at least a league average first baseman which makes him a very strong offensive catcher.

  204. Wave Your Hat January 30th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

    GB7,

    I hope you’re right about Montero, but it’s not just Keith Law.

    I just thought referring to dave as a veterinary assistant was unduly harsh. I don’t always agree with him but I can’t help but like his attitude.

  205. dave January 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Yea, I have heard the same thing – very slow feet which led to a lot of stolen bases against him but a strong arm. hOW much can that be expected to improve with time at each level of the minor leagues??

  206. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Steve B
    January 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
    “He’s a better defensive catcher than Romine and fairly close to what Posada in 1998-1999.”

    But Posada’s never been a good defensive catcher. If what you’re suggesting is that Montero can be what Posada is as a catcher but, like Jorge, it can be stomached because of his bat, then…cool, I guess.

    ————————————————————

    Everybody has knocked osada’s catching, but gushed about Girardi’s defense better look a the numbers. Charleston had one pitcher that could keep runners close. Montero is barely 19 years old now and he caught 25% of the runners at age 18. I think there’s time to improve.

  207. dave January 30th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    Wave,

    Its okay. I stopped taking GB seriously quite a while ago. And his remarks dont even make sense – im in medical school. not vet school… Im sorry i even asked him a question thinking I would get a reasonable response.

  208. dave January 30th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

    BUT HOW MUCH IMPROVEMENT CAN BE EXPECTED AS MONTERO GOES THROUGH THE SYSTEM???

  209. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    dave
    January 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
    Yea, I have heard the same thing – very slow feet which led to a lot of stolen bases against him but a strong arm. hOW much can that be expected to improve with time at each level of the minor leagues??

    ————————————————————

    Just like a pitcher..it’s a mechanical flaw that can be fixed.

  210. E-Man January 30th, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    “E-Man
    January 30th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
    “E-Man

    I think you are helping to sell Manny! LOL! I like that!”

    I’d take Abreu over Manny.
    ———-

    What?”

    Trouble reading the rest?

  211. dave January 30th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    25 percent seems extremely low no?

    Posada in A ball:

    277 389 472 in 339 at bats (he actually stole 11 bases that year and 17 the next)

    Montero in A ball:

    326 376 491 in 525 at bats

    Thought that might be an interesting comparison. At least it is exciting to see that kind of production out of a yankee farm system position player at 18 years old. Posada was 21 in A ball and one should expect more room for improvement from an 18 year old.

  212. Tarheelyank January 30th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Wave what’s wrong with a veterinary assistant. lol

  213. dave January 30th, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    Well if it is just mechanics, that is a relief to hear. But 25 percent needs to be improved in order to catch at higher levels.

  214. Wave Your Hat January 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Tarheelyank,

    I started to add that there was nothing wrong with caring for animals, but then I thought that made me sound like a girlie man.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that, either.

  215. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm

    “Abreu averages more walks, more hits, the same amount of RBI’s and less strikeouts. Abreu is more of a solid hitter than Adam Dunn is.”

    We are not talking about average Abreu and Dunn seasons. We are talking about Abreu and Dunn’s 2009. Look at their last two years and tell me Abreu is a superior hitter today.

    You do realize that a high K total is not a significant problem for a hitter who gets on base at a .385 clip, right? And that hitting a home run is the best thing a hitter can do?

  216. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    As a catcher myself albeit HS & College, footwork is key to catching runners. The arm strength is a nicety, that will make players think twice especially the best SB runners but it is the release time that makes the difference. A 95 MPH throw versus an 85 MPH throw is minute for 127.279 feet. The difference is in how long it takes to rise up, set your feet & length of arm motion to throw the ball. Bench was probably the greatest defensive catcher I’ve seen because he could throw from a squat and his feet were pre-set before he caught the ball. All catchers & Pitchers are timed by baserunners to see if they will be ultimately successfull.

  217. GreenBeret7 January 30th, 2009 at 4:24 pm

    In A ball, Posada was a skinny second basman, not a catcher. He still hadn’t caught enough games for catching to stop him from running the next year. Not much of a comparison, is it?

  218. Steinbooga January 30th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    booga

  219. Joseph DelGrippo January 30th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    Based upon my research (basically a phone call and 20 minute conversation), Bloom’s original MLB.com article was incorrect and even his follow up of 8 FA is incorrect also.

    I spoke with Greg Bouris, Director of Communications at the MLB Players Association.

    He said the limit would be 12 Type A and B free agents can be signed by each team. Unrealistic that a team would change over half their roster during a given year via free agents, but it would be possible this season.

    This is based upon the number of players this season who elected to file for free agency which, according to Bouris, was 175 players. That number includes not only Type A and B free agents, but all major league FA’s.

    He said the rough guideline is a team can sign one FA for every 14 players which have filed.

    Also, once a player files for FA, he is considered a “lost FA” in regards to amount of players who can be signed. According to Bouris, after this past season the Yankees had 9 “lost” FA’s.

    He also said the limits are in place to stop a team from hoarding the available FA’s if, say, only 10 players filed for FA in a given year.

    I told him with the guy with a similar sounding last name (Scott Boras), and his boss (Donald Fehr) that will never happen. I also would trust the MLBPA on this matter over MLB itself and the owners group.

  220. E-Man January 30th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    “We are not talking about average Abreu and Dunn seasons. We are talking about Abreu and Dunn’s 2009. Look at their last two years and tell me Abreu is a superior hitter today.

    You do realize that a high K total is not a significant problem for a hitter who gets on base at a .385 clip, right? And that hitting a home run is the best thing a hitter can do?”

    A High K total is significant if you plan to use the guy as your #5. His OBP is worthless when you have players in scoring position. Who cares if he can walk to first?

  221. bodhisattva January 30th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

    YankeeRay
    January 30th, 2009 at 11:47 am
    So now I get another 2 weeks of Manny dreaming.
    Though it was just a 40 man march by Mets fans it still pissed me off.
    When I look at their line up I don’t see how they need Manny anymore than we do.
    Reyes,Beltran,Delgado and Wright
    Jeter,Tex,Arod
    After that we are both questionable though I will say we have more depth in Posada,Swisher, Matsui but as far as big guaranteed impact bats that are healthy?
    I think we need him in the 5th spot to solidify our march to the canyon.
    I’ll let up until Monday as I will enjoy Bruce at the Super Bowl and a weekend of coaching my travel team in a South Florida tournament. Miss the snow but love playing baseball year round.

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    No need to apologize for the Manny love. People seem to think we’re loaded, but what does it say about him that signing him automatically makes him the best hitter on our team, if not the entire AL?

    No-brainer, Cash.

  222. bodhisattva January 30th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

    E-Man
    January 30th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
    “We are not talking about average Abreu and Dunn seasons. We are talking about Abreu and Dunn’s 2009. Look at their last two years and tell me Abreu is a superior hitter today.
    You do realize that a high K total is not a significant problem for a hitter who gets on base at a .385 clip, right? And that hitting a home run is the best thing a hitter can do?”

    A High K total is significant if you plan to use the guy as your #5. His OBP is worthless when you have players in scoring position. Who cares if he can walk to first?

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    Right. Look at Dunn w/RISP and RISP w/2 out:

    RISP: .225/.416/.474/.890
    2out:.214/.440/.443/.883

    Abreu:

    RISP: .315/.439/.530/.968
    2out:..303/..463/.494/.956

    Abreu has high OBP AND moves runners. Also has better OPS.

    Dunn’s a statue w/some power.
    Abreu’s a ballplayer. A superior ballplayer.

  223. bodhisattva January 30th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    E-Man
    January 30th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
    “E-Man
    January 30th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
    “E-Man
    I think you are helping to sell Manny! LOL! I like that!”
    I’d take Abreu over Manny.

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

    I can’t for the life of me understand why. I love Abreu – sans defense. He’s an extraordinary hitter, he really is. He can also run – unusual for a player his age; and he’s got some power, hits for average and is utterly serene with two strikes on him.

    But Manny is just otherworldly. He’s just a better hitter, hands down.

    Manny as a 5-hitter, as YankeeRay continues to lobby for, would just be an obscene run producer on our team, because he would so enhance an already existing propensity among the guys in front of him for getting on base:

    RISP: .329/.454/.607/1.061
    2out: .314/.463/.604/1.067


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