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Yankees don’t need legal protection

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jan 30, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

There has been some chatter lately that the Yankees will try and insert a confidentially and/or a non-disparagement clauses in future contracts for players and managers. This, of course, is a knee-jerk reaction to the Joe Torre book.

One problem: They can’t. The collective bargaining agreement doesn’t allow it, as least as far as players are concerned. Attorneys for the MLBPA have already said they would fight it.

I’m not sure the Yankees need legalities on their side. Given that Torre went from icon to pariah in a span of a week, that should sufficiently discourage those who would betray confidences. Sam Borden and I were talking yesterday and I think there’s a real chance Torre will get heckled when he does his book tour in NYC next week.

Torre will be on Larry King tonight. It’ll be interesting to see if he apologizes. But at this point, even that won’t help him.

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  1. RSM January 30th, 2009 at 9:37 am

    I think everyone would have had less of a problem with this book in 5-10 years. What makes it so egregious is that Torre any many of the people discussed in the book are still in the game.

  2. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 9:38 am

    So many people seem to act like disagreeing with Torre’s book means we don’t appreciate what he did while he was here. However, he comes off bitter, and i have to imagine other players in the Dodger locker room will be talking a lot quieter the next couple years.

    And don’t tell us they aren’t your words. The book is about things you told Verducci. He had to get the information somewhere, and it is your name on the book (as you keep saying) and im sure it is you who will collect the paycheck, although i dont think it will sell nearly as much as he thinks it will.

  3. swc January 30th, 2009 at 9:41 am

    I think this will be more of a distraction this season for the dodgers, rather than the yankees…also, i dont think its that big of a deal that torre is bashing these people that everyone knew were bums in the first place. (wells, sheffield, brown, pavano, lofton, etc.)

  4. JoeyA January 30th, 2009 at 9:42 am

    I hope the large NY Yankee fanbase voices it’s outrage over this book while Joe is on his tour. The more heckles and shouts he gets, the better. Anything that removes him from his alt-reality L.A. universe and brings him back to Earth.

    I truly wonder how many of his dear closest friends have lost respect for him, even just a little. You could never expect them to say so publicly, but this can’t rub Zimmer, Kaat, Bowa, or Stottlemyre the right way.

  5. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 9:45 am

    I’m sick of this book
    I’m sick of Torre

    Start the season!

  6. SJ44 January 30th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    Take the high road and move on.

    That’s my $.02 recommendation.

  7. ALB3 January 30th, 2009 at 9:49 am

    I don’t see how this book is at all a problem or why any Yankee fan should be upset.

    Are we going to pretend that the entire Yankee team always was in harmony and that Torre and all of his players always got along?

    Torre is a Yankee icon and my opinion changes in no way from this book. First, nobody’s really read it, second, it doesn’t sound like he ripped anyone that didnt need some ripping.

    Yankee fans should not care at all about this book and should buy a copy – it could be a good read, who knows?

  8. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    It’s hard to ignore it when he is going to be all over the media. Doesn’t he have a team and a season to prepare for? Or should be just assume the Dodgers will be in the playoffs because of the lousy division they are in?

  9. ALB3 January 30th, 2009 at 9:52 am

    And also – how is this different than A-Rod’s interview where he rips Jeter a new one? And he talks about how good looking and amazing he is?

    Come on, guys. We’ve forgotten about A-Rod’s ridiculous exploits (Madonna anyone?). Joe tried to put out a book and as Verducci said, it is cataloging the Yankee Years and not JUST Joe Torre’s feelings.

    Oh, and none of you have read the book. I guess you guys may want to indulge yourself in it before coming to a conclusion.

  10. darkmoonfire January 30th, 2009 at 9:55 am

    Torre didn’t set any precedents here. Zim and Wells, among many more, published books on the Yankees while still being in baseball. Certainly Zim’s book probably has more vitriol that Joe’s appears to so far from the quotes I’ve read.

    Joe’s being made a bit of a scapegoat here — mostly it’s (very successful) publicity hype to sell more copies of the book I guess.

    I’m not defending publishing stories about others without their agreement — I don’t personally agree with that — however Joe is not the first do do this, nor likely the last.

  11. Zack January 30th, 2009 at 9:55 am

    I find the reaction interesting because I have no problems with any of the book so far. He’s just telling people what occurred (it’s really a history book rather than anything else).

  12. Mark in Tampa January 30th, 2009 at 10:01 am

    If/When? Joe Girardi writes his tell-all book, The Marlins Years(can’t wait), nobody in the media would even think that it would affect the Marlins. But, they would be all over the Yankees and how their ruthless and classless skipper sold out his old team, and how could any of the Yankees possibly trust this guy now? We all know it is only a story for this team because it is the Yankees and Arod. In reality the damage done is to Torre and his trust within the Dodgers clubhouse.

  13. MYGIRLS January 30th, 2009 at 10:02 am

    How is Phil Pavano Hughes progressing this offseason?

  14. JP January 30th, 2009 at 10:04 am

    Tiki Barber to Joe Torre: “Dude, you are so screwed.”

  15. Mark in Tampa January 30th, 2009 at 10:04 am

    I thought Varitek had an 8:30 deadline. I don’t know whether I would rather see him gone, or back and hitting about .210.

  16. franky b January 30th, 2009 at 10:05 am

    why are people shocked, as a yankee fan we know whats going on.cash is whimp,randy l is a jerk, pavano, brown and the rest are idiots. lets not for get about the biggest scumbbag david wells. there’s nothing new in this book.

  17. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 10:09 am

    Mark, definitely want him back. We don’t want Boston getting a catcher than can actually catch AND hit.

  18. Mark in Tampa January 30th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    “Mark, definitely want him back. We don’t want Boston getting a catcher than can actually catch AND hit.”

    That’s the fear. However, there isn’t a lot out there, certainly not w/o giving up a bunch to get a good, MLB ready catcher. If they are forced to give up, say, Masterson or Bucholz, that could be a net loss for the sox. Also, if varitek is gone, we will see just how valuable his vaunted leadership and intangibles really are.

  19. Barry Lane January 30th, 2009 at 10:17 am

    I don’t think the revelations in Torre’s book mean anything in a real way. I’ve ordered a copy, I expect it to be a lot of fun, but frankly there isn’t a single so-called sensational item that anyone with half a brain wasn’t already aware of. This thing causes problems for no one. Just an excuse for hyper-extended emotionalism from fans with nothing at all to do.

    Barry Lane

  20. eric January 30th, 2009 at 10:20 am

    The more i think about it- the more the kevin brown story about tampa bothers me. Yes he was a pain, but this was a man who was dominant for a lot of his career who just all of a sudden lost it. Thats got to weigh heavy and be quite a shock. Now for Torre to betray such a private moment, even if he was acting childish, is an absolute betrayal of trust between the coach and player.

    Thoughts?

  21. T15D23 January 30th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Pete, this post shows you are reading far too much from fellow writers.

    Real Yankee fans have a genuine respect and appreciation for Torre and are smart enough to know how bad the Steinbrenner’s are (as well as Levine).

    While a majority of Yankee fans dislike Alex Rodrigez for both his choking in the post season and his meaningless numbers during the season, no one has read the entire book to make any assessment that this is a smear job on the Yankees.

    I am a life long Yankee fan, read the Bronx Zoo, Balls and Munson’s autobiography. My guess, and it is one, that Torre’s book will pale in comparison to anything in the past.

    Torre got railroaded by the FO. They were sick of his being king of NYC and getting the credit. Funny how he ended up in the post season and Girardi managed us into 3rd place.

    I will buy the book and if there is something in there that is scandalous, it is only so because it is the truth.

  22. Mark in Tampa January 30th, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Eric,

    I agree, but most Yankee fans will not give any benefit of the doubt to Brown because his dramatic decline directly affected the team and their ability to win the ALCS.

  23. jennifer January 30th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    ALB3

    What exactly don’t you get? Joe preached what happens here stays here. He blew the doors off that. He showed himself to be a phony. He tells of Kevin brown curled up in the clubhouse, Johnny’s depression!! These are things we shouldn’t know unless they tell us!! THAT IS EVERYONES ISSUE!

  24. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    News flash: the LA Dodgers would have finished 5th in the AL East behind the Blue Jays.

  25. ray (sox fan) January 30th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    Mark in Tampa
    January 30th, 2009 at 10:04 am
    “I thought Varitek had an 8:30 deadline. I don’t know whether I would rather see him gone, or back and hitting about .210.”

    The funny thing is that as bad as Varitek’s average was last year it was still a point higher than Swishers.

  26. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    A majority of Yankees fans don’t hate Alex Rodriguez.
    And his regular season numbers are certainly not meaningless.

    ‘Torre got railroaded by the FO. They were sick of his being king of NYC and getting the credit. Funny how he ended up in the post season and Girardi managed us into 3rd place’

    This is still the dumbest argument i have heard since LA made the playoffs. One more time, LA is in the worst division in baseball, they had 84 wins (2 better than the year before), the Yankees had 89 wins and are in a division where the Jays get 4th place with a better record than the Dodgers.

    If the Yankees were in the NL West, god knows how far ahead of the division lead they would have been this year.

  27. Rishi January 30th, 2009 at 10:27 am

    from dodgerland: http://www.latimes.com/sports/.....5398.story

  28. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 10:28 am

    Here are the problems with the book, as I see them:

    -Even if a player is a jerk, he is entitled to believe that his private conversations with his manager will stay private. Players should not have to worry that their manager will write a book about them.

    -Even if there is a “jerk test” that would make Torre’s writing about Pavano and Johnson ok, Torre also wrote embarrassing, private details about Damon and Bernie. As SJ44 wrote, Torre played favorites and his choices didn’t always have to do with whether players were “jerks” or not.

    -It is hypocritical to fine Wells at least $100,000 for writing a tell-all book about the Yankees and then write a tell-all book about the Yankees.

    -Torre is still a manager and it is unprofessional for him to write a book that places his ability to keep player confidences in question.

    -If Torre’s message is the Yankees were wrong to offer him no more than a one-year deal for 2008, his willingness to shovel dirt about his former players and his view that the clubhouse wasn’t right for him following the Dynasty years defeats his own argument.

    -The Yankees made Torre into the icon he is today. Pre-Yankees he had a losing record as a manager and had only made the playoffs once. The Yankees also paid him about $50 million, an absurdly high amount for any manager. For Torre to turn around and slam his former players and FO just a year after he left the team (to take another huge managing contract) looks petty.

    If I missed anything please let me know.

    Bottom line, Torre (and any other manager) is free to write what he wants. He has interesting things to say and his book will likely be fascinating. But he has also demonstrated that he has no loyalty to the Yankees. Why should Yankee fans show any loyalty to him?

  29. Tarheelyank January 30th, 2009 at 10:29 am

    “The funny thing is that as bad as Varitek’s average was last year it was still a point higher than Swishers.”

    Ray, I agree. It was also a better then Molina, who is just a “setback” away from being our starter. Tek going back to the Sox is not a good thing for us.

  30. Mark in Tampa January 30th, 2009 at 10:29 am

    So every one of Arod’s Hrs RBIs and hits have come with the Yankees leading or trailing by more than 3 runs?? To say he puts up meaningless stats is ludicrous. It is not a majority of fans who dislike Arod, just a vocal minority of spoiled ?fans? who think it is their right to see the Yankees win the series every year.

    The things in the book very probably are the truth. They just didn’t need to be aired publicly.

  31. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    I would have been interested in seeing how Jeff Kent reacted to Torre this year, had he not retired. Kent is a veteran with a lot to say.

  32. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    T15D23,

    It’s ironic you chide Pete for “reading far too much from fellow writers” and then regurgitate the same brain-dead mantras that we’ve seen from the Post and News for years.

  33. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    “-It is hypocritical to fine Wells at least $100,000 for writing a tell-all book about the Yankees and then write a tell-all book about the Yankees.”

    Wasn’t it the organization that fined Wells? Pretty sure Torre isn’t walking around with 100 grand of David Well’s money.

  34. pat January 30th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    ALB3

    Saying Jeter is a 2 hitter and teams are focussed on getting Bernie and O’Neill out and not him is the same as Moose saying if Mo had gotten out of a few innings, Yanks would have more rings. Opinions. I don’t happen to agree with either opinion and probably wouldn’t have made them to appear in print but it’s just an opinion.

    Torre did more than offering his opinion. He recounted conversations that people expected to remain private to validate his opinion. Recounting those conversations is where I feel he went off track and abused the power of the position he held.

  35. Mark in Tampa January 30th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    I would have been interested in seeing how Jeff Kent reacted to Torre this year, had he not retired. Kent is a veteran with a lot to say.

    The Dodger Years is due out in January, 2011!

  36. Rishi January 30th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    Torre raised the issue re: the fine…he was the one who got all upset about “clubhouse secrets coming out” and instigated the fine.

  37. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    What is this “real Yankee fan” hogwash?

    What does it mean?

  38. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    Talking about whether the players Torre singles out are liked or disliked and whether or not the stories are true misses the point, I believe, that most people are not shocked by the contents, but are raising their eyebrows at the fact that a man who preached the privacy of the clubhouse would be forthcoming with such personal items.

    So far, what’s been released are not all just cute little anecdotes. The Kevin Brown and Johnny Damon revelations were out of bounds, at least to me. If Damon had wanted people to know the way he was feeling at that time, he would have said so himself – I’m sure you’ve noticed that Damon is a chatty guy. The talk about Steinbrenner’s health also went out of bounds, if only because his family and the Yankee brass have taken great pains to not talk about it. None of us is stupid – we know George is not doing well. We did not need Joe’s more graphic portrayal.

    As far as talking about players still in the game while still active in the game himself, well, I’m sure there’ll be things that Torre is going to have to deal with/answer to. He’s opened this can of worms. He’ll have to deal with the mess.

    I’m sure a lot of the book is going to be a good read. Verducci is a good writer. But if that’s the case, if the rest of the book could stand alone, with the gory details – why go there?

  39. ray (sox fan) January 30th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    Tarheelyank,

    To be honest I am really torn as to whether I want to see Varitek come back.

    I know there is a lot of hype about him calling a good game and managing the pitchers, but his low batting average didn’t even tell the whole story last year.

    I would feel better if had more “productive” outs especially with RISP. Rather than fly balls or line drives he was prone last year to either striking out or simply popping up in the infield with RISP.

  40. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    And I think the Dodger success last year had more to do with Manny Ramirez and less with Torre.

  41. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    “Ray, I agree. It was also a better then Molina, who is just a “setback” away from being our starter. Tek going back to the Sox is not a good thing for us.”

    I think I agree. If Varitek does go back, he’s not going to get full time catcher AB’s, which will minimize the damage he does to the Red Sox offensively. But his role as a guy who is familiar with the pitching staff will be a full time one and that’s where his value to them really lies.

  42. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    I mean – without the gory details. Sorry.

  43. pat January 30th, 2009 at 10:38 am

    “I am a life long Yankee fan, read the Bronx Zoo, Balls and Munson’s autobiography. My guess, and it is one, that Torre’s book will pale in comparison to anything in the past.”

    Probably but peers talking about each other is different than a manager talking about subordinates. There is a diferent level of accountability for what you say when you are in a position of authority.

  44. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Ham, I read the post on Type A/B FA quotas on the previous thread.
    Obviously this drives a stake through my heart as far as Manny goes.
    But, I would like more clarification if anyone has. This seems a little late to be coming into play?
    Why is Hot Stove saying the Yankees may be interested in Adam Dunn? Why is MLB Hot Stove saying the Yankees may not be done? Are neither of them educated on this?

    Why would Pettite sign that deal if the Yankees had no leverage of signing another FA like Sheets? Did his agent not know that the Yankees were at their quota? If I was Pettittes agent I would think they had the leverage as the Yanks were probably not going to rely on the youngsters at this point.
    Just doesn’t add up. Maybe the Yanks have asked for a waiver since the number is 63.

    Does anyone else have anything on this?

  45. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Tek is still valuable no doubt. But i dont think him being on the team will add to the success of the Sox this year.

  46. Bronx Jeers January 30th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Pitchers & Catchers report in 13 days 23 hours and 22 minutes. At least according to the Yankees website.

    At least this Torre stuff has kept us sort of occupied during the homestretch.

  47. Sean January 30th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    I don’t see what all the fuss is about over this book. I’m excited to read the book and I’m a diehard Yankee fan. So Torre talked about players like Arod who are still playing. WHO CARES! It’s not like any self-respecting Yankee fan doesn’t already hate the guy anyway/know that everything Torre wrote is true. Give me a break.

  48. bbformvp January 30th, 2009 at 10:40 am

    how is it fair for you fans to insult mr.torre he brought you a dynasty and you act ungrategful like spoiled brats. i have the book one excerpt that stood out to me “torre got up from his seat in the steinbrenners office, hal steinbrenner said to him “the door s always open. you can always work for the yesnetwork. are you kidding me hank and hal are the real clowns at least george said what he felt and meant it unlike these little rats.

  49. migames January 30th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    joe torre is not the first one to do this. he wrote a book in 97/98, he talked about kenny rogers in it, nobody cared.

    phil jackson wrote a book titled a team in search of a soul and then came back to coach that team.

    buster onley wrote about a speech mariano gave before game 7 and how people in the clubhouse didn’t like it, nobdoy cared.

    now joe torre writes another book and he touched the 3 rail?

    What is this different than any other book? And why does everyone go all ape sh!t over it? I realize that what he did was stupid, but this holier than thou stance that the media and fans are taking is kinda two-faced.

    and as a history major, these accounts are left for people many generations from now to read about and learn what happened with the yankees.

    joe torre did something stupid, he didnt murder anyone. all the attention is media driven to get more attention to themsleves

  50. Yanks and More January 30th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Pete, I agree totally, the Yankees don’t have to worry this guy totally ruined his legacy and the way most people view him, even guys that liked him like Cone and Jeff Nelson are against him now. I agree he is going to get heckled and hope he does and gets nonstop questions from the press in spring training. I thought of going to Yogis museaum to heckle him myself but I won’t.

  51. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 10:42 am

    It’s not like any self-respecting Yankee fan doesn’t already hate the guy anyway/know that everything Torre wrote is true. Give me a break.

    ========================================

    So wait? Yankee fans are suppose to hate Alex? I don’t.
    Again, many missing the point with this book crap.

  52. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 10:43 am

    “Wasn’t it the organization that fined Wells? Pretty sure Torre isn’t walking around with 100 grand of David Well’s money.”

    Who got Wells’s money isn’t the point. The point is Torre supported the fine. That’s why Wells is so upset at Torre.

  53. pat January 30th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Torre didn’t ruin his legacy, he ruined his image.

  54. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    “Why would Pettite sign that deal if the Yankees had no leverage of signing another FA like Sheets?”

    Because the teams Pettitte wished to pitch for numbered ONE. The combination of Pettitte and his people misreadng the market and the general knowledge that Pettitte’s desire was to pitch for the Yankees resulted in the deal he got, which was still a very fair one given the relative ease with which he should meet most of his incentives.

  55. bbformvp January 30th, 2009 at 10:46 am

    “So wait? Yankee fans are suppose to hate Alex? I don’t.
    Again, many missing the point with this book crap.”

    no alex came to the yankees because ever since he was a little boy he loved the yankees and knew thats where his heart would always be “rolls eyes”

    btw if anyone heckles torre you cant even be a true fan because then your forgetting four reasons why what ever he does he is the best manager this franchise has and will ever have and giradi is but one fourth of that. the 4 reasons you cant say a word about him are 1996′ 98′ 99, 00

  56. Ariel January 30th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    One should not confuse a “genteel man” with a “gentleman”. Torre “may” be the former, but certainly not the latter.

  57. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    It’s funny how someone here says to be a true Yankee fan you have to hate A-Rod?

  58. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    “What is this different than any other book? And why does everyone go all ape sh!t over it? I realize that what he did was stupid, but this holier than thou stance that the media and fans are taking is kinda two-faced.”

    It’s a big deal because Torre is the most famous manager in baseball who is writing about the most famous team in baseball and some of the most famous players in baseball.

    I agree that it’s silly to treat the book as some kind of mortal sin.

    Assuming the book doesn’t hurt the team (and I’m confident it won’t), I’m glad he wrote it. It should tell some great stories.

  59. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    This answers my question. The Yanks are not limited to 3 FA signings since we can sign as many as we lost regardless of the limit rule. So my interpretation of this is if we lost 2, then we can sign 2 on top of the limit rule meaning we can sign 5 this year.

    Does anyone else read this the same way?

    http://baseball.about.com/od/m.....primer.htm

  60. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    “and as a history major, these accounts are left for people many generations from now to read about and learn what happened with the yankees.”

    And you get it from the perspective of somebody right in the middle of it. I think someone pointed this earlier, but if Torre wrote this book 10 years from now, would it bother anybody???

    Seems to me the bad timing of this is probably people’s biggest issue.

  61. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    in 1948, Casey Stengel became the Yankees manager.[5][6] Stengel managed the team until 1960, winning ten American League championships and seven World Series titles.

    Explain to be how 4 titles and 6 pennants in 12 years is better than that?

  62. Tarheelyank January 30th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    Ray
    Steve B said it better then I could. The money they are talking about would not preclude them from still making a trade if needed.

    Also, his personal life was a mess, I think he has something to prove. As a yankee fan I would rather see him go away and have a decent year for somebody else.

  63. migames January 30th, 2009 at 10:51 am

    It’s a big deal because Torre is the most famous manager in baseball who is writing about the most famous team in baseball and some of the most famous players in baseball.

    same thing can be argued about the phil jackson book, a book about a team that had Kobe and Shaq on it, and it was the Lakers, one of the best teams in basketball

  64. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    “It’s funny how someone here says to be a true Yankee fan you have to hate A-Rod?”

    It’s funny, but not ha-ha funny.

    All of a sudden, a bunch of commenters we’ve never seen before show up and write that Torre is a god and ARod and the FO are the bane of humanity. Yes, that is funny.

  65. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Stengel or

    McCarthy managed the Yankees from 1931 until midway through the 1946 season. In McCarthy’s 15 full seasons as manager, the Yankees won eight American League titles and won the World Series seven times. During the eight World Series tournaments his Yankees played in, they lost a total of just nine games

  66. migames January 30th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    “And you get it from the perspective of somebody right in the middle of it.”

    nope, you get it from many sources, joe torre’s books being only a sample of them.

  67. Largo January 30th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    “This answers my question. The Yanks are not limited to 3 FA signings since we can sign as many as we lost regardless of the limit rule. So my interpretation of this is if we lost 2, then we can sign 2 on top of the limit rule meaning we can sign 5 this year.”

    Without actually reading the MLB rule on this, my guess is that if you don’t offer arbitration, then that player doesn’t qualify as a lost Type A allowing you to sign an extra free agent.

  68. Brad January 30th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    It will be vintage Torre on Larry King. Some green tea sitting nearby and then ” Well this and well that ” mixed in with some denial and some put on the dog sadness.
    ” I’ve spoken with Cash and our relationship is solid “. Yada-yada-yada . . . blah-blah-blah.

  69. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    LMAO
    You bloggers are so funny! You think because you fan(atics) are so upset with Torre that everyone else is as well. Most people who will buy this book could care less about ARod emotions or yours! They will buy it because of Joe Torre. I personally will buy several and give them as gifts to friends. LOL!

    Don’t take yourselves so seriously. Joe Torre is honest & told the truth. If you can’t handle the truth then maybe you should move to a country that espouses lies as the truth.

    I am a diehard Yankee fan who respects Joe Torre and what he did for us. If he was a drug addict, HGH user, Steroid user, alcoholic, wife abuser, drunk, DUI killer, murderer, sex addict, convicted felon or like several other Yankees or ex-Yankees maybe I’d reconsider but probably not still. You see I respect his acomplishments on the field.

    There isn’t really anything in Joe T’s book I didn’t already know or suspect as well as most of you. I mean George S having dementia! I actually thought that was in good taste, because it told me that Joe T was saying if the real George were in charge he had more class!!!

    So buy or don’t buy the book! Let’s enjoy the game & all we can find out about how it is still America’s favorite pastime!

  70. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    no alex came to the yankees because ever since he was a little boy he loved the yankees and knew thats where his heart would always be “rolls eyes”

    btw if anyone heckles torre you cant even be a true fan because then your forgetting four reasons why what ever he does he is the best manager this franchise has and will ever have and giradi is but one fourth of that. the 4 reasons you cant say a word about him are 1996’ 98’ 99, 00

    ============================================

    Yes, I am sure pretty much every single player and coach except for Alex of course..always dreamed of playing for the Yankees and never did it for the money. Damn that man! :rolls:

    Torre is the best manager this franchise has and will ever have? I know, didn’t he do a fantastic job in 2004 vs. Boston. That was a fantastic job by Saint Joe.

  71. schiano January 30th, 2009 at 10:57 am

    you just know ARod will write a tell all book if he doesn’t “earn his pinstripes” in new york

  72. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Largo
    January 30th, 2009 at 10:54 am
    “This answers my question. The Yanks are not limited to 3 FA signings since we can sign as many as we lost regardless of the limit rule. So my interpretation of this is if we lost 2, then we can sign 2 on top of the limit rule meaning we can sign 5 this year.”

    Without actually reading the MLB rule on this, my guess is that if you don’t offer arbitration, then that player doesn’t qualify as a lost Type A allowing you to sign an extra free agent.

    —–

    Here is another link listing Type A’s and B’s. I don’t think whether or not we offered arbitration has anything to do with the amount of FA’s we can sign, just on the compensation we get back.
    Am I right?

    http://www.sportscity.com/MLB/.....ee-Agents/

  73. Steve B January 30th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    Yankee Ray:

    What isn’t clear about the Type A/B free agents is what constitutes losing a player. For example, does the free agent (Mussina and or Abreu) have to be offered arbitration in order to be considered “lost”? Do they have to sign with another team to be considered “lost?

  74. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    Casey Stengel had a nice little run with the Yankees.

  75. Laura - Welcome back, Andy!! January 30th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    “There isn’t really anything in Joe T’s book I didn’t already know or suspect as well as most of you.”

    Really? You knew that Johnny Damon battled with depression? Who told you, his doctor?

  76. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    migames,

    I can only guess that Jackson’s book wasn’t as revealing as Torre’s, or it had a different tone. I’m just speculating as I haven’t read the book.

    TYY follows a year’s worth of media attention on Torre. He has a heavily publicized split with the Yankees. Then the Dodgers make the playoffs and the Yankees don’t. The circumstances are now perfect for this book to come out because there’s so much interest in Torre.

    Also, I think the average sports fan’s interest in the Yankees far exceeds interest in the Lakers. The Yankees provoke passionate reactions from just about everyone who cares about baseball. The Lakers can’t evoke passion from their own fans.

    Torre probably loves the controversy, btw. It will sell more books.

  77. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    That Casey Stengel wasn’t too shabby in his time with the Yankees..

  78. Laura - Welcome back, Andy!! January 30th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    “It’s funny how someone here says to be a true Yankee fan you have to hate A-Rod?”

    Fans who hate A-Rod aren’t true Yankee fans. If you are an intelligent baseball fan and really want the Yankees to do well, you know that A-Rod’s success is key to that. Hating on A-Rod only serves to hurt the team as a whole. I’m not saying that fans have to love A-Rod, but rooting against him is very un-fan like.

  79. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    Steve B
    January 30th, 2009 at 10:59 am
    Yankee Ray:

    What isn’t clear about the Type A/B free agents is what constitutes losing a player. For example, does the free agent (Mussina and or Abreu) have to be offered arbitration in order to be considered “lost”? Do they have to sign with another team to be considered “lost?

    —-

    Thats the missing link here. IMO if they retire then they wouldn’t count as lost. If they haven’t then they do. Obviously the big question is do they have to sign somewhere before they are considered lost?

    I can’t find that clarity but will keep looking, that is until Manny signs with the Dodgers then I don’t care anyomore lol.
    Cruz would be another good option if we are allowed to move on.

  80. migames January 30th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    “All of a sudden, a bunch of commenters we’ve never seen before show up and write that Torre is a god and ARod and the FO are the bane of humanity. Yes, that is funny.”

    you know what else is funny, that many people here dont know who andy hawkins or chuck cary are, and thanks to joe torre they are yankee fans.

  81. pat January 30th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    RayVTNC

    “Joe Torre is honest & told the truth.”

    Joe Torre is selective with what he was honest about and told his truth not the truth.

    “I am a diehard Yankee fan who respects Joe Torre and what he did for us.”

    Me too but I’m also a diehard Yankee fan who is disappointed in him choosing to abuse the power of his position.

  82. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    migames

    I couldn’t agree more!! I like your style!

  83. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    YankeeRay-
    The SF Giants signed 4 type A/B free agents I believe: J. Affedlt, B. Howry, R. Johnson, and E. Renteria. Plus, I don’t think they lost any.

  84. JOJO January 30th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    George Steinbrenner should write a book. It may too late since old age seems to have gotten the better of him. But that would be a great book. Imagine his take on his history with the Yanks since the early 70′s.

  85. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 11:07 am

    You poor guys trying to steer the conversation to free agent replacement types. :)

    I was listening to XM this morning and they were talking a bit about this with regard to Jason Varitek. They were lamenting that a player like him, with tons of experience, is not being offered any deals because, among other reasons, the team that would sign him would lose a type A pick. The didn’t think it was right that prospects (draftees) could stand to make $5 million in a signing bonus, while Varitek is barely being offered $5 million after all his seasons of success. They think that MLB and the Player’s Association will begin to address this discrepancy and that MLB will try to institute a more rigid draftee signing policy (having to do with slots, paying over slot,etc.).

    First, I think that the issue with Varitek is not just that signing him would cost a Type A free agent. If Varitek was the Varitek of old, it wouldn’t be an issue. The question is do you want to give up a future possible for a present definitely-on-the-decline player? I can’t blame teams for answering “no.” Varitek isn’t getting offers because he had an horrific season in 2008 offensively. The only team he is valuable to as a starting catcher is the Red Sox, it could be argued.

    Anyway, if they do implement a system where teams can’t go out of slot, where they limit the signing bonuses, then teams like the Yankees and, yes, even the Red Sox, will really be getting the raw end of the deal. Because fielding a winning team year after year will absolutely ensure that eventually you will have nothing in your farm system.

    As it is, I think the WS winner should get first pick in the draft and then bottom-up after that.

  86. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    I love it when people try to say Joe isn’t a great Manager & compare him to Casey or McCarthy!! LOL! All-Time greats!!

    Maybe if you compared him to Buck or Girardi or …

    Joe Torre will be a HOF Manager who was also a terrific Catcher in his day. We were quite lucky to have him in Yankeeland.

  87. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 30th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Torre has every right to write any book he wants.
    Being that he put this book out there for the public’s consumption, he is also then subject to any response be it positive or negative he gets for doing so. Not to mention the resulting effect it will have on his relationships with those who read it or are mentioned in it.
    Personally I think it was stupid for him to do. Sounds petty and he betrayed confidences. And now it sounds like he will have to deal with the fallout. Good.

  88. Ariel January 30th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Torre knew exactly what he was doing and what the reaction would be. His animus to the Yankees, and, more importantly, his compulsive reverence for the almightly dollar trump pedestrian notions of respect for tradition and the sensitivity of others.

  89. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Torre is great but the argument that he is the absolute greatest is clearly inaccurate. It doesnt have to be black and white.

    Hey if we said that Posada was the greatest yankee catcher ever because he won 4 titles, and then compared him to Matt Nokes, he definitely would look like he is the best, but is he better than Berra? Comparing someone to less quality people at the position and then calling them the best is just stupid.

  90. Laura - Welcome back, Andy!! January 30th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    “Joe Torre will be a HOF Manager who was also a terrific Catcher in his day. We were quite lucky to have him in Yankeeland.”

    For us, he was the right man at the right time. Is he a managing God? LAD’s record pre-Manny makes that answer a resounding no.

    The fact is that his success for us during the dynasty years doesn’t change the fact that he included things in the book that he simply shouldn’t have. Should he be taken out to the shed and shot? No. But he has gone down a peg in many people’s eyes, including mine.

  91. pat January 30th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    “that many people here dont know who andy hawkins or chuck cary are, and thanks to joe torre they are yankee fans.”

    More fair to say that many people here were still in diapers when hawkins and cary were playing. Joe Torre is the only manager they remember. There were days when I wished I didn’t know who hawkins and cary were but I did.

  92. Neil January 30th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    C’mon Fairy-tek, sign that cheap deal. The American League needs that slowed down bat speed, weak throwing arm, and ridiculous hockey style “C” on that uniform.

  93. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Tom
    January 30th, 2009 at 11:06 am
    YankeeRay-
    The SF Giants signed 4 type A/B free agents I believe: J. Affedlt, B. Howry, R. Johnson, and E. Renteria. Plus, I don’t think they lost any.

    —-

    I agree, this link says that if there are 63 or more then there is no limit which I believe there were 63 this year. No waiver needed. Thank god, I can now go back to my Manny dream lol.

    http://baseball.suite101.com/a.....ency_rules

  94. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love January 30th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    I love it when people try to say Joe isn’t a great Manager & compare him to Casey or McCarthy!! LOL! All-Time greats!!

    Maybe if you compared him to Buck or Girardi or …

    =============================

    Who said Joe isn’t a great manager? He was a great manager…but it doesn’t mean he is some God or some sort of saint that can do no wrong. He was not even the greatest manager the Yankees ever had…

  95. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    So, I’m not I true Yankee fan because I didn’t come of age watching Scott Sanderson pitch?

  96. migames January 30th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    “I wished I didn’t know who hawkins and cary were but I did.”

    but he pitched a no-hitter…that he lost

  97. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    “Joe Torre will be a HOF Manager who was also a terrific Catcher in his day.”

    Agreed. In fact, Torre was arguably a HOF catcher too.

    “We were quite lucky to have him in Yankeeland.”

    After 2001, that became subject to debate.

    As Tex’s NBF wrote, it makes no sense to say Torre was perfect. He made plenty of mistakes. Until TYY, we could only assess the mistakes he made on the field. Based on TYY, he apparently made his share of mistakes in the clubhouse as well.

    If the 2002-2007 seasons and TYY can teach us anything for sure, it’s that Torre had weaknesses to go along with his strengths. If he makes the HOF as a manager, it will be for 1996 and 1998-2001 alone.

  98. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    RayVTNC -

    I have no desire to rewrite history because Torre wrote a book. Torre did a great job, overall, as manager of the Yankees. He was not perfect, made some mistakes, but he did field one of the winningest teams ever for a long period of time.

    The book doesn’t take away from that at all.

    The books takes away from his image. It makes him look like a bit of a hypocrite. It’s disappointing.

  99. Tom January 30th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Whatever gets you through the day, YankeeRay

  100. Ariel January 30th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Did Torre consider the effect on the Dodgers, his current team (which pays him a rather handsome “incentiveless” stipend), and of course the players, by dropping this bomb just before spring training? The only person/organization that matters to Torre is Torre.

  101. randy l January 30th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    “Given that Torre went from icon to pariah in a span of a week, that should sufficiently discourage those who would betray confidences.”

    joe torre has been in more clubhouses as a player and manager with more players who have been in more clubhouses than possibly any man alive.

    hank aaron, warren spahn, eddie matthews, joe adcock, neikro,clete boyer, tito francona bob gibson, lou brock, steve carlton, vada pinson, flood, bill white, dusty baker,jose cruz,tom seaver ,charley lau, tony cloninger just to name the tip of the iceberg of players torre played with.

    he’s been in historic baseball locker rooms for over 50 years.

    i don’t pretend to know what torre is up to with this book, but since he’s the one who’s been in the game for over 50 years at the highest level, i’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he might know what he’s doing, and that he knows a thing or two about clubhouse culture.

    cashman, levine, hank, hal,etc.
    they’ve been in the game how long?

  102. migames January 30th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    the joe torre-george stienbrenner relationship helped both men, never forget that before joe came along, george’s image was terrible. After 10 years of joe torre he is loved. it helped both men.

  103. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Laura – Welcome back, Andy!!

    Damon has his demons. He was part of the funny farm team in Boston. In our day of a Senator talking about ED & a President aboout having oral sex in the whitehouse or a footsie playing congressman, I think Johny’s demons are ok.

    What do you expect Joe T to do write a book that doesn’t mean anything? All mush! All we were perfect.

    This book brings validity to what it takes to be a Manager in Yankeeland. The problems are real! So are the Egos.

    Whereas most of you are crucifyiny Joe T for George statement, I think that was very classy and true. George S would have given Joe T 2 years, but he wasn’t in charge. Actually the people who did this to Joe are hiding behind George still. If George were in charge & he had given Torre an extension he would have fired Torre if he didn’t make the playoffs no matter if he had a 1, 2 or 5 yr contract. I love George S & what he did for the Yankees. But Joe T is family too! Be greatful that Torre thinks of us fans as family too!!!

    I look forward to reading every word in his book. I thank him for having the guts to do it.

    BTW, Joe is probably donating the proceeds to charity anyway! Even if he isn’t, he earned every penny of it. I’m sure this book only gives a glimpse of how hard it was to earn!

  104. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 11:22 am

    The Dodger locker room is going to get a lot quieter when Joe is around.

  105. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 30th, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Good thing for Torre he didn’t write this book while in prison about other inmates.

  106. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 11:24 am

    George wanted to fire Joe after 2006, so I wouldn’t be so certain that he would have extended him if he were in better health in 2007.

  107. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    And let me understand this – as long as the money’s being donated to charity it doesn’t matter how you procure it? And as long as the people you dish dirt about are not liked anyway, it’s okay to dish? Okay. If you say so.

  108. Tex's New Best Friend January 30th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    So, jeter stole the dimaggion ‘thank the good lord’ sign?

    So in Torre’s next book, i guess we should learn that A-Rod had a replica made, and hung in his mansion foyer….

  109. Rishi January 30th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    I wouldn’t count on proceeds going to charity either – unless it is “Safe at Home” – you would think they would have mentioned it by now. Especially considering that money (and the fact that he didn’t make a lot as a player) is the only reason people can give for him writing this book (other than bitterness)…

  110. Phil January 30th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    Joe McCarthy was the greatest Yankee manager. Probably followed by Stengel. Miller Huggins was also great but he died young. And of course, if we needed a manager for one game, Billy Martin was about as good as they get.

  111. Tarheelyank January 30th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    YankeeRay New post :D—–

  112. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    Laura – Welcome back, Andy!!
    January 30th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    “Joe Torre will be a HOF Manager who was also a terrific Catcher in his day. We were quite lucky to have him in Yankeeland.”

    For us, he was the right man at the right time. Is he a managing God? LAD’s record pre-Manny makes that answer a resounding no.

    The fact is that his success for us during the dynasty years doesn’t change the fact that he included things in the book that he simply shouldn’t have. Should he be taken out to the shed and shot? No. But he has gone down a peg in many people’s eyes, including mine.
    ===========================================================
    Hold on sweetie! Torre went to a destructive, disruptive Dodger team and brought order and leadership. He held them together. Manny obviously had a great impact, but managing Manny even a focused one took real skills. Joe T did that great. The old guys & the youngsters alike were working together. They made the playoffs. Look at their roster. They weren’t supposed to be there according to preseason issues.

    One more thing, the Dodgers lost more people IMO that were key players than the Yankees or any other team. Ace pitcher, 2B, SS, 3B, 2-Closers, setup, 2 other key starters either for the year or long periods of time & they still won with much less talent than their opponents.

    Joe T did a great job!

  113. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 30th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    Phil
    Somehow you forgot to mention Stump Merrill and Johnny Keane on that list.

  114. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    And I don’t think there are too many people who would agree that being the manager of the NY Yankees is an easy job. They may say it was easy to manage the caliber of player he had, but would anyone want the other parts of the job or think dealing with the Steinbrenners, et al., the media fishbowl, is easy?

    So, Joe wants a pity party? Is that why he included the particulars of how “difficult” the players were?

    I doubt there is a clubhouse in all of baseball that is totally functional, devoid of any players with personal problems. That part of his job, though he did it well, is no different than what many other managers have to deal with. Hello – at the very least, Terry Francona had the pre-Dodger Manny to deal with.

  115. randy l January 30th, 2009 at 11:32 am

    joe torre has been in more clubhouses as a player and manager with more players who have been in more clubhouses than possibly any man alive.

    hank aaron, warren spahn, eddie matthews, joe adcock, neikro,clete boyer, tito francona bob gibson, lou brock, steve carlton, vada pinson, flood, bill white, dusty baker,jose cruz,tom seaver ,charley lau, tony cloninger just to name the tip of the iceberg of players torre played with.

    he’s been in historic baseball locker rooms for over 50 years.

    i don’t pretend to know what torre is up to with this book, but since he’s the one who’s been in the game for over 50 years at the highest level, i’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he might know what he’s doing.

    i do think this is a historic book that will change some things,but i don’t think anyone knows how this is going to play out.

  116. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Joe T did an okay job out in LA. The Dodgers made the playoffs because Manny went on a tear and they also changed the make-up of their infield during the course of the season.

  117. Jeremy January 30th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Doreen,

    Not only did the FO acknowledge that Torre’s job was hard, but it paid Torre about $50 million to do it. That’s just a ridiculous sum of cash for a manager and doesn’t really jibe with a portrayal of Torre getting kicked around.

  118. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Jeremy -

    100% agreed.

    Or, well, at least, he got paid for taking the beating. :)

  119. YankeeRay January 30th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    I give up. This link quotes a MLB executive in saying that the Yanks have reached their quota. All the research I just did points to there being no quota due to either 63 FA’s available or that the Yanks lost 2 FA’s.

    So how can MLB run this article when the Giants signed 4 Type A/B’s?????

    This appears to be bad journalism if I’m not mistaken.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_mlb

  120. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Doreen

    George was deep in dementia in 2006 as well. We all knew something was wrong. Have you ever been around someone going thru dementia? I have! One of the classic signs is extremely quick to anger since they are sure something is wrong with themselves and are uncertain why. They have to be constantly consoled & often for the same thing.

    Perhaps George would have fired him in 2006 if he were fully there, but he would have been direct and swift. None of this dangling crap of he didn’t like my offer. Weak minded men play games. George might be called a lot of things but weak wasn’t one of them!

  121. Brad Pitt's better-looking brother January 30th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    RayVTNC
    “Hold on sweetie! Torre went to a destructive, disruptive Dodger team and brought order and leadership. He held them together. Manny obviously had a great impact, but managing Manny even a focused one took real skills. Joe T did that great. The old guys & the youngsters alike were working together. They made the playoffs. Look at their roster. They weren’t supposed to be there according to preseason issues.”

    And you don’t think this great impact Torre brought to the team is compromised now?
    Sounds like Joe could be a one hit wonder, even in a bad division. Manny or no Manny.

  122. Rishi January 30th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    YankeeRay – check the new post…

  123. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    In my opinion, the reason Joe T wrote the book will be told by him but I suspect it was a matter of honor. He probably feels that George was blamed for his departure and for his lack of support since 2005 or so. George was there but only in body! Torre provides a real view although probably only a glimpse of everyhting that went on during his tenure.

    As a fan, I want to know what the day to day things were like. I appreciate the candor.

    All this talk about how this is going to affect the Dodgers sounds like sour grapes. I’m sure the Dodger players could care less about the Yankee stories except to tease each other about it. Most probably won’t read the book, but will enjoy playing jokes on each other with their tell all versions.

    Adult Sports locker rooms are the closest thing to childhood play as there is. I’m sure it will continue. Joe T is a great Yankee leader. (Note I never said greatest myself!) IMO he had a harder time being successful because of George, yet he owes his success to George as well.

    This is a book saluting George ultimately. It also speaks to me as saying the ones who mistreated Joe T disrespected George’s legacy!

  124. Doreen January 30th, 2009 at 11:49 am

    RayVTNC -

    All I’m saying is, we can’t really speak with any certainty about what George would have done. If George was fully with us in 2006 I don’t think he could have been talked out of firing Joe. But it’s all conjecture.

    I plan on reading the book. I hear in its totality it is worthwhile reading.

    As I said before, the book does nothing to change what Joe accomplished as a manager. What it does do is make me (and others) question whether the Joe Torre we thought we knew is authentic. And I say that knowing that we never can really know a public person. But people who do know him personally had always confirmed our collective opinion of the guy. My opinion of the guy is changing because of some of the excerpts.

  125. RayVTNC January 30th, 2009 at 11:50 am

    randy l

    Well said! Amen!

  126. Chris Barrows January 30th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Without reading the book, it’s impossible to pass fair judgment on anyone involved. Tom V has generally been behind excellent books, but if the book is taken this way, he’s going to be in line with Joe Torre for quite a bit of money.

    Still, if the book is as bad for the Yankees organization as the media is making it appear, it will surprise me. Torre’s class act reputation will definitely be shot.

    All the same, until I read it(and I don’t plan on buying it myself, I’ll borrow it), then I”ll pass my thoughts along.

  127. Juggy January 30th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    I used to like Torre and thought he was a class act, and I always thought he would have continued his classy behavior where ever he went.. I was seriously wrong, seriously disappointed, and now I seriously dislike him. Will it fade over time? I don’t think so.. You tend to remember the bad stuff and set aside the good stuff. To me, his class act in NY was just an act now because you don’t go from being a very classy guy to a slimeball overnight..

  128. DT January 30th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Wow, I see the Torre Supporters Anonymous meeting must have let out around 9:45 am…. lol.

  129. YankeesLuv January 30th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    I will always appreciate the good times with Torre, but what he did was wrong. I don’t know how anyone can defend him.

  130. Mitchell January 30th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    If the rest of the book is anything like the excerpt I just read in Sports Illlustrated? Then Torre is still a very, very good man in my book. There is nothing vicious in what I’ve read, just some excellent insight as to what happened and why.

    Reminds me, in some ways, of Stottlemyre’s book. Whether the fans and the owners can ever see their ways clear to honoring Joe in some way is something I can’t predict, but I do know that I am still a Dodger’s fan (first pro game I ever saw as a boy) and will be even more of one now that Torre is there.

  131. FrankD January 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

    Maybe someone else said this but I think people have it wrong on the Torre criticism. It’s not that what he may have said isn’t true or if he really said it. He has made himself no better than these supermarket tabloid people.He is a sitting major league manager that has ridden front office moves into an iconic position. It’s his name on the book and he did it to scrape a couple of more dollars before the Dodgers find out he’s an average guy. As amusing as the part about Roger and the trainer is it the one item that turns him from a just another clubhouse gossip to a full fledged sleaze. Real nice for a team leader.

  132. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing January 30th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

    “Torre is a Yankee icon and my opinion changes in no way from this book. First, nobody’s really read it, second, it doesn’t sound like he ripped anyone that didnt need some ripping.”

    Oh, so that’s why it’s okay and why he’s still an icon? Because he ripped those that deserved it?

    I see.

  133. Chris January 31st, 2009 at 2:38 am

    Pariah? Heckled? Really? It’s obvious Torre insulted someone close to you Pete. Get over it.

    As for the morons leaving comments on here before they read the book. Grow up and get a life.

  134. JF February 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 am

    Torre a pariah? What? I have more respect for him now than ever. In fact, his book’s gotten me over the little bit of resentment I had for him for failing to bring home even one championship his last few years.

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