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Pinch hitting: Giambi Mustache Squad

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Feb 01, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The pinch hitter series has proven popular for the most part, so I’m going to extend it a few days into February.

Next up are Jim and Joe from Giambi Mustache Squad.

Brothers from Saddlebrook, N.J., Jim and Joe started their blog last summer right around when The Big G started his famous ‘stache. I told Jason about their blog and he said, “That’s bleeping cool.” Only he didn’t say bleeping.

Here’s their post:

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The term “True Yankee” is used by a lot of Yankee fans, usually in sentences like “A-Rod will never be a True Yankee”, “Why can’t A-Rod be a True Yankee”, or the popular “Stand up if you are a True Yankee. A-Rod, please sit down”.

A lot of people debate over what makes a True Yankee. I feel that it helps when you win almost every World Series. That turns Scott Brosius, the .230 hitting bum, into St. Brosius, the Truest of the True Yankees. Even the non-True Yankees, or False Yankees as I like to call them, fared much better during the championship years. When Hideki Irabu failed to get out of the third inning in a game, we all had a good laugh. Sometime after all those David Cone, David Wells, and Andy Pettitte wins, it got boring.

How were we supposed to witness a thrilling comeback if our pitchers kept dominating? If the ‘98 Yankees roster was a movie cast, Irabu was Chris Farley. You laugh every time he falls, and he eats a lot. Flash forward to now: We have Kei Igawa. A similar situation, yet he’s hated by all. On this movie cast, he is your Dane Cook. His appalling performance leaves no one laughing.

Not winning a championship for eight years takes its toll on the fans. Here is a quick rundown of some other recent False Yankees, and why they were never able to win over the fans:

Kevin Brown: What’s not to like? Unfriendly, throws slow, constant injuries, unreasonable price tag. One of my favorite moments at Yankees Stadium was that June 15, 2005 extra-inning affair against the Pirates. At one point in the game, I heard Jason Giambi receive the loudest boos I’ve ever heard. And I’ve heard the WWF’s Sgt. Slaughter get booed in an early-90’s wrestling match when he supported Iraq in the Gulf War. So I’ve heard boos. Kevin Brown exists the game due to ANOTHER injury, and suddenly he became the new target of the fans’ anger. Giambi hits a game-winning upper deck blast, and to this day I’ve NEVER heard Big G get booed again. It was the passing of the torch; Kevin Brown was now the most-hated Yankee.

Randy Johnson: See Kevin Brown, replace “throws slow” with “throws slow unless you are watching YES, in which case he throws 99-102 consistently”

Miguel Cairo/Billy Crystal: I thought I would lump these two together, since they are very similar. Undersized, no true position, OBP at or close to 0%, only made the roster because they are close friends with Joe Torre. I know some of you liked Cairo. But I’ve sat in the bleachers through far too many games where Bob Sheppard would announce Cairo playing 1B in place of Giambi, or SS instead of Jeter. And I’ve heard the collective groans, and I’ve seen the tears in the eyes of young fans. Okay, I was the one crying, but I didn’t sit through two hours of traffic on the GWB to see the Giambino ride the pine.

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Good job, boys. Coming tomorrow: Kevin from 6 pound, 8 ounce Baby Joba.

 
 

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83 Responses to “Pinch hitting: Giambi Mustache Squad”

  1. Betsy February 1st, 2009 at 12:23 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ises_.html

    Here’s a link to the most recent Madden piece. Bill hates the Yankees, so this is something.

    It’s interesting that Joe allowed some pretty interesting bits about Mo in there – I agree with Bill. In a way, he sort of sold Mo and Bernie out as well as Brown and co.

    Here are a couple of very interesting bits that I also wholeheartedly agree with:

    And why now? When he’s still managing? What kind of a message is he sending to the young, impressionable kids in his Dodger clubhouse, Matt Kemp, James Loney, Russell Martin, Chad Billingsley and Clayton Kershaw?
    What kind of message is he sending to the whole organization – an organization that enabled him to remain the highest-paid manager in baseball because they believed he was the perfect guy to bring unity of purpose to a dysfunctional clubhouse of warring veterans and young players – when he’s in New York all this week promoting his book on his Yankee years? Promoting himself when they’re all out on the Dodger caravan promoting the upcoming season?

    When the first snippets of explosive stuff in the book first began leaking out, Torre reportedly took pains to call Cashman to assure him he never accused the GM of betraying him. Not in so many words anyway, but Torre makes no bones about the fact that, in retrospect, Cashman wasn’t someone he could trust (that word again). He talks about how Cashman was stats-obsessed and didn’t understand that players have a heartbeat. He goes on to say that Cashman changed after the 2005 season – as did their relationship – and on that he’s right.

    Once George Steinbrenner annointed Cashman with unfettered authority over the baseball operations after the 2005 season, the GM determined he was going to remake the Yankees in his own image – and that included having his own manager. It’s amazing Torre didn’t see that the Yankee high command, from the Steinbrenners all the way to Cashman, viewed him as someone who had become an entity unto himself, someone who thought he was bigger than the team. The only reason they didn’t fire him after the 2006 first-round playoff KO by the Detroit Tigers was because Steinbrenner’s son-in-law, Steve Swindal, was able to convince the old man it would be better to pay Torre the remaining $7 million on his contract (the contract that Swindal negotiated) to manage the team in 2007 than not to manage it.

  2. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Staying to write the story February 1st, 2009 at 12:23 am

    I like Miguel Cairo. So there. =P

  3. V February 1st, 2009 at 12:24 am

    I’ll never forget Cairo’s 7/7 to start the 2002 playoffs for the Cards. Cairo = clutch? :rofl:

  4. Bronx Jeers February 1st, 2009 at 12:25 am

    I just hope they develop some “True Yankees” in 2009.

  5. viggy February 1st, 2009 at 12:27 am

    yep we will miss THE BIG G and if you don’t think so I will remind you in middle of the season. (btw if Cairo is still out there we should sing him)

  6. Kevin February 1st, 2009 at 12:29 am

    How come we’re still discussing Torre’s book in posts that have nothing to do with Torre whatsoever? Oh, and good job mocking the True Yankees stuff. I despise that term. Sure, it’s all A-Rod’s fault that the median age of Yankee starters during his tenure has been 59, or that Torre had the in-game managing skills of an orangutan. Riiiiiiight.

  7. Bronx Jeers February 1st, 2009 at 12:49 am

    True. That Torre book stuff is soooooo late-January. Today is February. New month – New concerns.

    Personally, I’m rooting for Gardner. He’s already pissed off Papelbon once which is once more than most guys.

  8. Moneyball February 1st, 2009 at 1:00 am

    Nice guest spot. Yankee fans are spoiled and can’t appreciate greatness inside the walls of yankee stadium. Sure, A-rod has made some questionable moves during his time here, but Jeter was the great captain everyone makes him out to be he could also stick up for teammates off the field too.

  9. you gotta have faith (pettite where art thou?) February 1st, 2009 at 1:11 am

    “Stand up if you are a True Yankee. A-Rod, please sit down”.

    LMAOOOOOOOOOO

  10. carl February 1st, 2009 at 1:20 am

    Babe Ruth isn’t a true yankee.

  11. AROD fan February 1st, 2009 at 1:31 am

    This is a HILARIOUS post. Best post so far I think!!

    The Miguel Cairo/Billy Crystal part was priceless!

  12. rifalcon42 February 1st, 2009 at 1:37 am

    “Babe Ruth isn’t a true yankee.”

    which makes pavano the truest of all yankees! lmao

  13. DT February 1st, 2009 at 1:42 am

    Fun read guys. Good post.

  14. DT February 1st, 2009 at 1:52 am

    People are sick of the Joe Torre talk? Really?
    Sure…. you say that now.

    Wait until he comes to NY this week and makes some John Kerry-type quote like “I actually won 4 championships, before I blew 4 championships”.

    But until then, I guess I’ll just watch the Springsteen Bowl. I think there is some football stuff going on during halftime.

  15. Ed H. February 1st, 2009 at 2:01 am

    That “true Yankee” stuff is so annoying.

    How Steinbrenneresque.

  16. kylelitke February 1st, 2009 at 2:04 am

    Haha, good stuff guys. I laughed out loud a couple times, good enough for me to bookmark the blog.

  17. Sean Serritella February 1st, 2009 at 2:05 am

    I guess the point of the post is that you listed 3 players who are false Yankees. It was a fun read.

    A true Yankee to me is some one like Don Mattingly. He plays hard on every play and maximizes his talent.

    A-Rod could still turn into a true Yankee because he has a lot of time left on his contract.

    What A-Rod needs to do to be a “true” Yankee is hit an upper deck bomb into the left field seats while the Yankees are down 7-4 with the bases loaded and 2 outs with 3 balls and 2 strikes against the Red Sox, game 7 of the championship series in the 9th inning.

    I’m sure he’ll be a true Yankee then.

  18. Aaron(the better Aaron)(KEEP NADY AND SWISH) February 1st, 2009 at 2:07 am

    Giant fans, this is the last day you will see Eli on the SportsCenter Intro.. Enjoy it…. G-MEN should be playing tomorrow

  19. Patrick February 1st, 2009 at 2:19 am

    Great post. Was Giambi a true Yankee?

  20. NYYanksFan February 1st, 2009 at 3:22 am

    “I feel badly if people are taking it the wrong way. I’m not going to say I’m insensitive to it,” Torre said. “I think that’s what makes me who I am, because I have sensitivity. But I think I was very sensitive in the book.”

    Clueless Joe?

  21. Jordan February 1st, 2009 at 3:59 am

    Awesome job, guys.

  22. dave February 1st, 2009 at 4:12 am

    Awesome stuff guys – one of the best we have had in february. Nah j/k but seriously it was one of the best so far.

    Arod cant win over the fans and become a true yankee after 2 mvps in his first five seasons. Now, the question that will bug me until we win the next world series, will arod be loved by all that day? Or will we have to listen to the boos of the idiotic fan when arod steps to the plate the following season. Its not like the yanks will never win one with arod and next year is as good a year as any, I think that day of reckoning is coming and we will see if arod could ever be loved by the fans of the team he basically carried to the playoffs on his back in 07.

    Where is Carl pavano on that list of false yankees? That guy is the falsest of the false – the biggest yankee fraud there ever was and likely ever will be. At least Igawa is pitching for the yanks. Granted, it is in the minor leagues but its not his fault the yanks were dumb enough to think he had major league talent. And its not fair lump crystal and cairo together like that. I think Billy has some talent that could really shine through one of these days.

    To me, Giambi was a true yankee. He made some of my most treasured yankee moments in the last few years. He got payed far too much money for what he produced but he still was a solid player for us and a great and easy guy to root for. I for one will miss the Big G. i know pete feels the same way.

  23. Giuseppe Franco February 1st, 2009 at 4:21 am

    As sad and pathetic as it sounds, a championship will put most of that ill-will towards A-Rod to bed forever.

    At least now the Yanks are in a much better position to win with the additions to the rotation.

    There is no A-Rod jinx. The problem with the Yanks in the postseason has been their lack of starting pitching.

    Hopefully, that all changes this season.

    BTW, the “True Yankee” argument is perhaps the dumbest argument in the history of dumb arguments.

    It’s right up there with the “Joba should be in the bullpen” argument.

  24. rover February 1st, 2009 at 6:41 am

    Funny post, but an undeserved shot at miggy I think. I seem to remember times miggy was stellar. He always gave what he had, and never caused a problem. Id sign him today. The betemit guy we got instead, now he was a poor excuse for anything baseball related.

  25. Mark in Tampa February 1st, 2009 at 7:09 am

    Good post, but wrong in one regard: I always hated the Fat Toad, and never found any humor in his many disgustingly bad outings!

  26. Sean Serritella February 1st, 2009 at 7:21 am

    You’re right Giuseppe Franco because every one knows that Joba should be in the bull pen, right? HaHa.

    Also, to be a true Yankee, you need to have the affection of the fans. If you don’t have that, you’ll never be a true Yankee.

  27. able 21 February 1st, 2009 at 7:28 am

    I think I was at that game when Irabu came out in the third. Wasn’t it against the Mariners? And wasn’t it after Ken Griffey Jr hit his second HR of the game. Ugly. And I just don’t mean Irabu.

  28. Tom February 1st, 2009 at 7:55 am

    I saw Irabu pitch in ’97 against the Phillies at the Vet. He pitched 2 innings and was pulled to the angriest booing I have ever heard.

    Schilling struck out 16 that day.

  29. Yankee Trader February 1st, 2009 at 8:43 am

    There are “true” Yankees, starting with George Steinbrenner and all of us die-hard Yankee fans.

    Sorry, but since the advent of free agency, ballplayers are hired mercenaries, and will forgo loyalty to their team to go for the almighty $ !!

    If players, like Derek Jeter, who you probably consider a “true” Yankee, would insist to management that part of his salary be deferred, so that the team could sign another needed player to help get the TEAM to the World Series, then talk to me about “true” Yankees!!

  30. MaineYankee February 1st, 2009 at 8:50 am

    Yankee Trader

    I don’t think the Yankees need Jeter to defer money to get them to the World Series. Money wasn’t the reason, lack of pitching was. They had enough money to get that. They just went for the wrong players at times. That argument applys to some teams just not the Yankees.

  31. Donnie Baseball 23 February 1st, 2009 at 8:52 am

    Yankee Trader you cant be serious about Jeter deferring money for the better of the team?? The Yankees wouldnt need the extra money from Jeter to sign a player to make the team get better. We have more than enough money to sign whoever we want. Now if your point was about a player moving positions or standing up for a teammate after a former manager smashes them in a book, then I would agree with, but not money

  32. Doreen February 1st, 2009 at 8:55 am

    Enjoyable post. I like the humor it brought to the subject.

    It seems to me that the qualities of a “true Yankee” would pertain to some ballplayers who have never even worn pinstripes. I think it’s bunch a bunk, mostly, because it is so subjective a term.

    But one would think a true Yankee is exemplary on and off the field. So, Jason Giambi – a fun player to watch and follow – couldn’t be a ‘true Yankee.’ ARod is an interesting case – on the field it’s almost a slam-dunk. His work ethic, his talent, his passion for the game would seem to make him a shoo-in, right? But then there’s the slightly embarrassing stuff he’s done off the field; the negative attention he sometimes draws. So, unless we expand the definition of “true Yankee,” or shrink it so we don’t look at off-the field quirks, it would seem he’ll stay an outsider EVEN when his talent propels the Yankees to a World Series. For the record, I think ARod is a great ballplayer who will always have his idiosyncrasies that some can ignore but will drive others up the wall.

    But as I said, I don’t buy into the “true Yankee” stuff. It’s a way of keeping guys you don’t like out of “the club,” and things like that have never sat well with me in any arena.

  33. Doreen February 1st, 2009 at 9:00 am

    I also agree with the post that when you’re winning championships a particular player’s failings are more a source of bemusement than a cause for concern. :)

  34. MaineYankee February 1st, 2009 at 9:04 am

    Good post. I think you brought up a good subject that will generate alot of debate. It can be looked at in several ways. What we as fans regard as a “true Yankee” might differ from how the players look at it. Brosius might be one to the players because of what he meant to the team on the field and in the clubhouse but maybe not to the fan because of the short time he was there.

  35. S.A.-Brian "The Ninja" Cashman: Showing free agents lots of love February 1st, 2009 at 9:07 am

    Good post mustache boys! :D

  36. Irabu's Son February 1st, 2009 at 9:18 am

    Mark in Tampa…

    I love Irabu!

  37. MaineYankee February 1st, 2009 at 9:24 am

    doreen

    I understand your dislike for how players are accepted or not. The reality is that you are dealing with ego’s. Not everyone is going to get along even when the common goal is the same. I don’t think this is limited to sports. You can find that in most any job. The differance I think is that you don’t seem to let petty things influence you. Unfortunately not everyone is that way.

  38. Tom February 1st, 2009 at 9:34 am

    I’m not a tennis fan per se, but watching Federer and Nadal go against each other is fun. 2 great competitors who respect one another and don’t want to lose.

  39. 86w183 February 1st, 2009 at 9:37 am

    I can’t wait for real topics and real baseball discussion. Ted Mack’s Amateur Month is giving me a headache

  40. Tom February 1st, 2009 at 9:47 am

    There are a lot of vaudeville acts in the Yankee blogosphere, 86w183, that’s for sure.

  41. SJ44 February 1st, 2009 at 9:50 am

    This is not the NBA. You can’t defer salary in order to give it to another player. The Union would shoot that down in a heartbeat.

    Jeter doesn’t have to prove he’s a team player to anybody. His entire career has been about being team first guy.

    The Yankees have no issues with paying the right guys big money without players having to make financial sacrifices the Union would shoot down.

    Despite some fans dreams, the Yankees can’t sign every FA on the market simply to amuse you on slow news days.

    They have had a great off-season. Sit tight, enjoy the ride, and stop coming up with ridiculous scenarios simply to take shots at guys on the team you don’t like.

    Only Joe Torre can do that.

  42. peter gammons February 1st, 2009 at 9:53 am

    I was just reading a little about the 28yr old Cuban cf Yasser Gomez.

    “Gomez, 28, is a speedy outfielder and career .331 hitter in Cuba. He hit .397 over a 66-game span in Cuba’s 2008 national series tournament.”

    A little compettion for the melkner duo might be good.

  43. Jeremy February 1st, 2009 at 10:04 am

    Great post. As we will likely never see a Yankee team win four championships in five years again, it’s easy to deify each player who was on those teams.

    A note about Irabu: we can only wish Igawa’s tenure on the Yankees was as successful.

    1998: 13-9, 109 ERA+
    1999: 11-7, 98 ERA+
    2000: Traded to Expos for Jake Westbrook (later traded for David Justice) and Ted Lilly

    Irabu is a joke today, and he made zero impact in the playoffs, but he was a serviceable back-end starter with trade value. Any playoff-bound team needs a pitcher or two like that to fill out the rotation.

    Igawa is just a joke.

  44. MaineYankee February 1st, 2009 at 10:05 am

    SJ44

    I agree with you. All these players people want to sign also is an issue as far as chemistry. Not all the FA would fit in on this team. Some would be square peg in a round hole.

    I like the potential this team has. So much can change between now and the end of spring training. Some are going to suprise us as to what they can do.

  45. JohnBlacksox February 1st, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Great post! One of the best pinch hitting at bats we’ve had.

    Giuseppe Franco, you said: “As sad and pathetic as it sounds, a championship will put most of that ill-will towards A-Rod to bed forever.”

    I agree that ARod will never shed the ill-will unless/until the Yankees win a championship. But is it really “sad and pathetic” that Yankee fans expect ARod to lead this team to a title?

    When ARod first came to NY, the entire baseball world was up in arms that the best team added the “best player”.

    The Yankees and their fans expect ARod to be a major part of championship winning seasons. Plural. They aren’t paying him $300 Million for his personality.

  46. MaineYankee February 1st, 2009 at 10:08 am

    SJ44

    I believe the RS tried to defer salary when they tried to get Arod and the union wouldn’t allow it.

  47. Ed H. February 1st, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Many fans today aren’t aware that Mickey Mantle was frequently booed by Yankee fans during much of the best part of his career. Mickey was like A-Rod in that e put a lot of pressure on himself to produce in clutch situations and frequently struck out in key at bats. Fans got on the Mick horribly.

    That didn’t turn around intil 1961 when Mick was up against Maris in the chase for the home run record. That year the fans decided that Mantle was more of a “true Yankee” than Maris because Mick was around longer and had been part of several Yankee championship teams. This happened even though Maris had been the AL MVP during his first year on the team (1960). Maris was booed mercilessly that year and was never really accepted or appreciated during his time in NY. Mantle was a Yankee hero throughout the rest of (the down side of) his career.

    We fans are so strange.

  48. Jeremy February 1st, 2009 at 10:14 am

    “But is it really “sad and pathetic” that Yankee fans expect ARod to lead this team to a title?”

    Absolutely not. I think Giuseppe’s point is that no matter how well ARod plays, fans will hold the team’s lack of championships against him.

    We have already seen that it isn’t enough for ARod just to play well in the postseason. The Yankees have to win too. ARod had a monster 2004 playoffs but any anti-ARod piece reads like it never happened.

    I wonder what the popular perception of ARod would be if the Yankees won a championship but he had a lousy postseason.

  49. MaineYankee February 1st, 2009 at 10:14 am

    I wonder if Arod would be accepted even if they won the WS. It seems as if he is one people love to hate. He has accomplished so much yet is very much disliked. To much of it is media driven.

  50. JohnBlacksox February 1st, 2009 at 10:18 am

    MaineYankee: Actually, I believe the RS and ARod together wanted to devalue ARod’s own contract to make it more palatable for the RS.

    The Union didn’t want ARod giving back money on his contract.

    It wasn’t deferring anything, it was ARod paying the RS to get him out of Texas.

  51. Ed H. February 1st, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Andruw Jones just deferred major money on his Dodger contract to make it possible for the Dodgers to trade or release him.

  52. Jeremy February 1st, 2009 at 10:23 am

    “I wonder if Arod would be accepted even if they won the WS. It seems as if he is one people love to hate. He has accomplished so much yet is very much disliked. To much of it is media driven.”

    He will need to win the WS AND play well during that postseason. And by “well,” I mean high RBI numbers and very few LOB. Otherwise the story will be that the Yankees won the WS despite ARod.

    Of course, even if ARod repeats his 2004 numbers and the Yankees win a championship, there will still be fans who think ARod is a choker because he didn’t hit a walkoff home run to win a WS game, or something similar.

  53. MaineYankee February 1st, 2009 at 10:23 am

    JohnBlacksox

    That sounds right. I stand corrected.

  54. JohnBlacksox February 1st, 2009 at 10:24 am

    Jeremy: Fair or not, all I remember about ARod in the 2004 playoffs is the RS series, getting facewashed by Varitek, then the nubber and slappy.

    Players don’t get to choose their defining moments.

  55. yankee21 February 1st, 2009 at 10:25 am

    If you believe the media, and Joe Torre, most in NY hate Arod and most in the clubhouse consider him a self-absorbed diva.

    Without question there are idiots out there that despise everything Arod, but I believe the lion’s share of people want him to succeed, and want him to come through in key moments, because when he succeeds, the Yanks succeed, big.

    Its interesting that Torre, a so-called NL style manager when he came to the Yankees, did not appreciate Arods game enough, even though there are few players that play with his level of intensity and preparedness that Arod shows.

    Its also interesting that Manny, everybit the diva Arod apparently is, without the shred of integrity Arod brings to the field, was handled well enough by Francona to have 2 championships in 4 years.

    Torre did not win 1 championship with Arod.

  56. Buddy Biancalana February 1st, 2009 at 10:28 am

    Dane Cook blows!

  57. Jeremy February 1st, 2009 at 10:30 am

    “Fair or not, all I remember about ARod in the 2004 playoffs is the RS series, getting facewashed by Varitek, then the nubber and slappy.”

    I have trouble remembering anything about the 2004 ALDS except leaving the stadium after game 1 (I was in the bleachers; Santana shut us down) and a guy next to me on the subway shrugging and saying “we’ll beat them tomorrow.”

    The ALCS wiped out much of that Yankee fan confidence. The slap was indeed a defining moment due to the futility it represented.

  58. MaineYankee February 1st, 2009 at 10:32 am

    yankee21

    Even though I dislike the RS it is hard not to respect Francona for the job he has done. I think it is as hard to manage there as in NY. You could tell by reading between the lines how hard it was to manage Manny.

  59. Drew February 1st, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Love the blog name!

  60. pat February 1st, 2009 at 10:37 am

    The Yankees got the player they traded for when they got A-Rod. He’s had roughly the same years he had in NY that he had in Seattle and Texas.

    Your expectations are not part of his contract so only you can do anything about that, not him.

  61. MaineYankee February 1st, 2009 at 10:37 am

    I look at that fight with Varitek differently than some. He kept his mask on for protection and was dirty by grabbing Arod in the crotch. Maybe I look at it differently because I am surrounded by RS fans and get sick of having to listen to them. Even before they won a WS they were real arrogant.

  62. yankee21 February 1st, 2009 at 10:38 am

    MaineYankee;

    Francona is a guy that is difficult to not respect. He’s a pro, and unfortunately for the Yankees, an asset to the RS. Whereas, his predecessor, Little, was a definite liability.

  63. Jeremy February 1st, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Varitek keeping his mask on was a punk move.

  64. MaineYankee February 1st, 2009 at 10:42 am

    I don’t think RS fans appreciate Francona as much as they should. Some still call him Francoma even now.

  65. MaineYankee February 1st, 2009 at 10:44 am

    Just goes to show, to some even winning isn’t enough (Arod).

  66. Emac2 February 1st, 2009 at 10:45 am

    “Yogi Berra Museum and Learning Center”

    Is that an affiliate of the Zoolander school for kids that don’t read good?

  67. Ed H. February 1st, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Emac2,

    Yogi’s museum is quite a fine place, extremely interesting. Have you ever been there?

    To have something like that is quite an accomplishment for a guy with an eighth grade education. BTW, did you know that Yogi has been awarded two honorary Ph.Ds?

  68. JohnBlacksox February 1st, 2009 at 10:57 am

    “Your expectations are not part of his contract so only you can do anything about that, not him.”

    Pat: I guess I look at it this way: The ability to play baseball well has no inherent worth. Hitting 40 HR has no inherent worth. Its only value comes from how many people want to hand over their money for the spectacle and entertainment.

    The world’s best skeet shooter makes no money for that skill, but ARod makes $300M for his skill. Why? Because fans are emotionally invested in the Yankees, and ARod, and they pay for it.

    The Yankees “product” is entertainment for their fans. Nothing else.

    So in that respect, fan expectations are the only thing that matters.

  69. JohnBlacksox February 1st, 2009 at 11:04 am

    Varitek was a total punk in that 2004 fight. I think it fired up the RS, and the Yankees never matched it.

    That’s why I loved when Joba started playing hardball with Youkilis, and kept going after him even after Youkilis had a hissy fit. That was refreshing to see.

    They need more of that “in your face” attacking mentality.

  70. MaineYankee February 1st, 2009 at 11:10 am

    JohnBlacksox

    I got real tired of how the RS would throw at Yankee hitters and Joe would do nothing. Also if a Yankee did retaliate they would get suspended. Pedro was a real headhunter and constanly got away with it. It’s nice to see Joba and his agressive approach.

  71. 86w183 February 1st, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Remember the Varitek/ARod scuffle was not in the playoffs.

  72. yanks61 February 1st, 2009 at 11:26 am

    SJ44, CB, GB, I believe that you have all seen Ajax at some point in the last year. Do you give credence to the idea that he’ll be ready to take over CF next year? It seems that we keep hearing this will be the case, yet I read other commentaries that say while he’s very athletic, he still has a lot to learn, having come recently to baseball.

    Would you guys be kind enough to give us your own take on his likely progression. And if, you feel that 2010 is too early to count on him, do you reckon the Yanks go with Melky and/or Gardner for as long as this year and next?

  73. jerome ave 4 train February 1st, 2009 at 11:29 am

    chicks beat up randy and pat m..funny

  74. Bill G February 1st, 2009 at 11:58 am

    In the post it says Giambi hit an upperdeck blast? Wasnt that the game winning HR into the right field bleachers? details details haha

  75. Jason from The Heartland February 1st, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Actually Bill G, Giambi’s shot was into the upper deck, about halfway up it, off Jose Mesa to win it.

  76. BBB (proud to be an A-Rod fan, don't hate him cause you aint him!) February 1st, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    I’m a lil late on this, but just had to say:

    -Nice post.

    -Big ups to Saddle Brook!

    -Mike Mussina is a True Yankee. More so than Giambi or anyone else who came over in that timespan imo.

  77. Clay Buchholz Loves Laptops February 1st, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    “True Yankee” is very subjective and might not exist, but it’s always fun to debate. I picked my “True Yankees” a couple of months ago.

    http://claybuchholzloveslaptop.....ankee.html

  78. UpState February 1st, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    Thanks guys !!!

    Someone else who thinks that Dane Cook is over-rated and consistantly not funny.

    Not even amusing.

    Good luck with your blog !!!

  79. darkmoonfire February 1st, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    I guess October 20th is St Brosius Day.

  80. randy l February 1st, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    clay buchholz loves laptops-

    i looked at you link. well done, but i have to say that i think “true yankee” is reserved for those who consistently over achieve under pressure. jeter, rivera, posada, williams, brosius, el duque, bobby richardson, mantle, ford, gehrig, a mattingly etc.

    mussina and giambi never overachieved as yankees. they were simply great talents. mussina put his personal indulgence to not pitch inside ahead of winning games and defending his team mates. i will give mussina that he is a true oriole. there’s nothing wrong with that.

    people like bill james don’t believe in things like” true yankee”. he didn’t believe in “clutch” either until being around ortiz for a few of his peak years when he finally got around to being closer to the game.

    here’s what bill james said in one of his books: ( please excuse any typos i make)

    “we are to believe that athletes are athletes not merely because they are fast, strong,quick,and well conditioned, but because there is something special inside them, this “character” comes to the fore in the crucible of athletic competition.
    they are athletes, in other words, because they are better people than the rest of us.
    my attitude toward this can probably be inferred from my tone. i do not believe that athletes are better people than the rest of us, i do not believe there is any such thing as an ability to perform in clutch situations.”

    i think any one who believes in real yankees believes that real yankees are clutch. bill james position on “clutch” is the foundation of the sabermetric community. to say otherwise is sacrilege.

    the thing that strikes me as odd is how james made that strange leap about the” better people” part. why would anyone think that playing baseball makes someone ” better people”. i would say billy martin is a special baseball person, but i wouldn’t say he or any player is a better person because of it.

    i think bill james had a giant inferiority complex about not being an athlete and he, as a compensation, came to learn everything about baseball with it’s great athletes to prove that he wasn’t an inferior person in his own mind by proving there’s no such thing as clutch.

    people that try to say there’s no such thing as a true yankee seem to be making that same leap that james does. yeah, there’s clutch. yeah there’s being a true yankee. but it doesn’t make anyone a lesser person to not be these things.

    my two cents worth on true yankee and clutch.

  81. joe February 2nd, 2009 at 1:32 am

    I was at that June 15th game myself, and I booed Giambi mercilessly. I feel bad in retrospect, since Giambi is a nice guy, and one of the only guys to show any honesty about steroids, but man, the crowd really did give it to him that day.

  82. saucY February 2nd, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    i was at that game too. i sat in the upper deck in right, not far from where the HR landed.

    i never booed Giambi during that game because i just can’t boo a yankee.

    but I had a glove with me, and kind of mockingly got my glove ready to catch a HR every time Giambi got up to the plate. it got a few laughs. but sure enough, he hits a extra inning walk-off into the next section over.

  83. Shizue Attwood March 22nd, 2010 at 10:57 am

    FlashForward is the best series in 2010 when I watched the pilot I was amazed,ingenious tv-show.

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