I issued a challenge in the last thread to you. But I addressed it to GP. No idea who that is.

Anyway, I just finished the Rosenthal article. It’s nice that someone is writing on behalf of Cashman.

I know Torre is hurt that Cashman didn’t fight for him in the winter of ‘07. But how many times did he expect Cash to go to bat for him? The lose in the first round was getting old. It may not have been Torre’s fault, but you can’t fire the players.

And I’ll say it again, Cashman always brought in reinforcements for the troops to make that final push. It’s not like Torre was playing with an empty hand.

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Ml, thanks. I read it, just don’t agree about the bullpen thing. Nobody complained about the use of the bullpen until 2002 when Nelson and Stanton left. Every time I see somebody talk about the abuse of Tanyon Sturtze, i want to puke. To begin with, he never pitched that many innings because he always got bombed. He was strictly mop up. Tampa had hin in the rotation for years and put him in the pen and pitched him a 100 innings. Quantrill was ridden like a horse by Toronto and the Dodgers for years. Torre used him about te same way because he wanted the work. Every body else was pitchers that had long histories of arm injuries, like Karsay and Gordon.

Proctor was a starter before going to the pen. He was in NYY for two half seasons and one full season. Look at his last year and a half. Great years for a midle relief pitcher and, his numbers in the last part of 2007 with the Dodgers were just as good.

People whined about that because they were generally the same ones that whined about Rodriguez not hitting in the clutch. They would never admit that having a lousy rotation had anything to do with how much a bullpen got used. Torre had a lot of faults, but, not having a reliable pitching staff that stayed healthy wasn’t on him. I hated the caste system he had, and people wont admit it, but, Jeter, Clemens and Posada ate it up. Love those guys as players, but, they had their own clique. Nobody got in unless Jeter said so, and, Posada wasn’t going to buck it.

It’s much like what Joe DiMaggio had. If you were a friend, you were in, but, talk out of turn or say something and you were dead as far as he was concerned. You never got back in.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02.....f=baseball

I don’t know why Cash thinks Melky will improve or why hunger is as good as talent (Gardner). I suppose it’s because he has no choice. Hal has cut the purse strings and the team will just have to make do with the CF situation as is, even though it sucks. My concern is whether Hal will open the checkbook again if Melky/Brett stink (as I expect). Of course, by then, the Yankees will have to make a trade that will cost them dearly.

I issued a challenge in the last thread to you. But I addressed it to GP. No idea who that is.

Anyway, I just finished the Rosenthal article. It’s nice that someone is writing on behalf of Cashman.

I know Torre is hurt that Cashman didn’t fight for him in the winter of ’07. But how many times did he expect Cash to go to bat for him? The lose in the first round was getting old. It may not have been Torre’s fault, but you can’t fire the players.

And I’ll say it again, Cashman always brought in reinforcements for the troops to make that final push. It’s not like Torre was playing with an empty hand.

I heard Beltran on the news tonight and he didn’t crack a smile when he said he wasn’t buying the book.

A CF who can hit and would prefer to “hide among the trees.” Sounds like Bernie.

But is it okay to talk about other players you never met?

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“The World According To Torre….errr….Garp”

Zach, I envy you; I wish I could have gone to the Cashman event. Care to summarize what the man said? Heavens, I’m desperate for ST to get here, lol.

I read the Rosenthal piece before – Joe basically ended a friendship, but I guess that’s not a big deal to him.

Every GM has his flaws, every manager has his flaws, but usually friends to not go out of their way to point them out……

http://www.impactodeportivo.co.....ormat=html