First update from Joe Torre Book Signing Day
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The crowds turned out early at the Barnes & Noble on Fifth Avenue for Joe Torre’s book signing. Fans waited in the snow and the line twisted around the corner.
Torre spoke to media at noon and said much of the same things he’s said in previous interviews, including that he has no regrets about anything in the book.
Torre was questioned several times about whether he felt he had violated the clubhouse trust he so often endorsed and said he felt he had absolutely not violated that. He said he did not seek out any players whom he wrote about in the book, but added that it was no surprise that we writing it — his first meeting with co-author Tom Verducci was in spring training of 2007.
More to come later, including audio.
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Josh Thomson
did people throw acid on him? because, i think outside a minority of very vocal people, nobody really cares what he wrote in this book
So he didn’t violate anything when he wrote that Kevin Brown was curled up in ball crying that he wanted to go home. Okay than… Did all that air pollution in La La land clog your brain?
So he started writing the book in 2007. If the Yanks had given Joe a 2 year contract, he would currently be in the clubhouse with some of the guys he wrote about. Would the book have had a different edit?
This book, people’s reaction to it is as trivial on what went wrong between arod and Madonna. Again, who cares???
Same thing about Michael Phelps. Who cares that Michael Phelps acted like the typical 23 year old.
When are we going to grow as a society and not care for this fluff
Funny how it seems that he only let out secrets of players he perceives fans to dislike.
migames
When people stop watching TMV, Access Hollywood and all those other stupid shows.
From previous…
“I think we are all missing the point.
That story is not about Brownie. It’s truly about the heroic act of a great manager and human being, Joe Torre, who saved the day and got Brownie back on the mound to fight for his team.”
DT,
It’s great what Torre and Brown did, accept my point isn’t either. It’s that the incident should’ve stayed private between Torre and Brown.
“When people stop watching TMV”
I think you mean MTV.
in the last thread, sj accuses me of not knowing joe torre, and he is right, that’s the point. I don’t care about Joe Torre, I don’t know, nor do I care. As I don’t care about what Derek Jeter does on the weekends and where does Arod hang out with. I don’t care. I care about the Yankees doing well and in the meantime, enjoying them play.
Is Torre red with shame?
Is there a cloud of despair following him?
Is he talking out of both sides of his mouth?
Is he mumbling something about the missing strawberries?
TMZ, Ed.
Ed
migames,
Apparently the prosecutors in South Carolina care. They’re investigating the incident.
And I got that from CNN.
I can’t say I’m surprised he’s sticking to his “who me?” position. An admission that he violated clubhouse trust would do no favors for his (ongoing) career.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/sto.....mets-deal/
I think Torre should be referred to as “Fredo” from here on out.
He’s dead to me. lol
I keep hearing all phrases end the same way in my head.
Kevin Brown was fragile….not that that’s a bad thing.
George was a tyrant…..not that that’s a bad thing.
Alex is all about records….not that that’s a bad thing.
How can a guy lie so blatantly? How did he not violate the trust of his players? What the media needs to do is ask the players who are mentioned in the book if they feel he violated their trust. Why are they asking Torre? I wonder if they answer in the affirmative then will Torre accept that he did something wrong?
So Manny rejected the Dodgers 1yr/$25M offer? Boras insists on 4-6 yrs @ $25M per?
Unless the Giants put in an offer, his next offer might be for hawking Sham-wows on TV back in the DR.
On second thought, he’d probably want 4-6 yrs @ $25M per from them too.
Kay 2pm
Francesa 4pm
Torre Torre Torre!
Sounds like Joe is following the “Do as I say, not as I do” theory
With the issues of Ramirez turning down the Dodgers offer and this book hitting the shelves, you have to wonder if there will be a connection? Torre took some big hacks at a player who not only is a good friend of Ramirez, but, is also Boras’ biggest client and other clients. Ramirez isn’t as stupid as many think he is….immature, yes, but, not stupid, and nothing is beyond Boras.
if the dodgers move on, i think manny’s in trouble. who’s gonna commit even $15 million on a total malcontent. he’s got to be livid about the fact that no one is giving him his money.
who ever signs him is in trouble
GreenBeret7
But at this point where would he get a payday close to 25 a year? The Yankees are pretty well set unless they move Nick and Nady.
The Mets don’t seem like they want to spend money on him.
Where would he go? I actually pity the team that would wind up with him, he might be pretty ticked, which could either be bad or good.
GB,
From the other thread…..
Funny you bring that up. My first thought when Manny turned down the deal was that he was going to make the Dodgers squirm over the book.
Arod’s closest friend in baseball is Manny Ramirez. Now that Enrique Wilson is retired, I’d venture to say Manny feels the same way about Arod.
It wouldn’t shock me if Manny is going to make the Dodgers squirm on this for a bunch of reasons. The book perhaps (not totally but, a factor) being one of them.
Manny is a strange dude. However, Scott Boras isn’t. Scott knows the market, knows what he can pull for Manny (most likely from the Dodgers) and I think they is going to be some heavy give and take going on in the next few days.
If the Dodgers lose Manny to the Giants, their fan base is not going to be happy.
It seems to me that the Dodgers are trying to make a deal that keeps Manny “hungry”. Only way that works is to make him the highest paid player in the game next season.
25 million won’t do it.
If they do sign him, and Manny isn’t happy for whatever reasons, Torre has another book in him in how he had the “joy” of managing Manny Ramirez.
GB
Manny is all about the money. I doubt it matters to him.
Francesa needs to find some new jingle people. Oh the pain
yankee2005,
That’s the amazing thing. If you say it enough times, you actually start believing it.
On that note, I invented the internets.
jennifer
February 3rd, 2009 at 1:09 pm
GreenBeret7
But at this point where would he get a payday close to 25 a year? The Yankees are pretty well set unless they move Nick and Nady.
The Mets don’t seem like they want to spend money on him.
Where would he go? I actually pity the team that would wind up with him, he might be pretty ticked, which could either be bad or good.
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My guess is that the Giants will now make a bid. The one team that I’d hate to see him end up is Baltimore..in that park. Angelos would love to nail it to his biggeast rivals and that would do it. Bond’s homer record would fall in that park. I’m guessing, though, it’s the Giants or Dodgers.
i think the dodgers are hoping the yankees or even the nationals will step in and take manny away. they’ve made enough of an effort to bring him back to placate the fans, but i really dont think they want him. i cant imagine they’d like to see him on the mets but i think in the end the dodgers will be happy when anybody else (except the giants) gets in the mix and takes them off the hook. but as long as he’s a FA and the giants are lurking, they have to stay in it.
Repost:
I think we have all fallen victim to Doubleday Publishing’s hype machine.
Seriously, this is a marketers dream
do you think Manny is legitimately looking for 3 or 4 years to persue some career milesones? (3000 hits, etc..)
I don’t understand why the Nationals don’t go after him. I know they are more than one player away. But they were willing to spend the money on Tex. Why not spend the money on Manny and get some fannies in the seats. Last year their attendance was awful, yeah the team was bad, but in a new park it really shouldn’t matter.
francesa’s surprise guest about the book tomorrow who could it be. That to me will be more interesting than the Torre interview today as we all now already how Joe is going to respond.
Forget about the National why don’t the Angels go after him they have the money as well, have spent practically nothing this off season other than Fuentes and Juan rivera. They were going to spend dollars on Tex (I know not comparable) but it shows they have the money and certainly have the need for a big bat.
gayle- Kevin Brown? It has to be someone dissed in the book. Maybe Alex, but he doesn’t seem to do too many radio interviews.
Maybe it will be Steve Donahue on tomorrow? We can learn about what else he did to help Clemens prepare for games?
gayle
Moose
Jennifer, Washington will have to try unloading oneof their outfielders and they have 4 now. Almost no market for Austin Kearns.
so maybe its gieco field?
Jennifer,
A team like the Nationals is a bad fit for Manny. Manny is the last guy you bring in when you are trying to build something. Plus, while everybody likes to talk about spending 25+ million on a player, few teams will do it.
We get spoiled in NY because the Yankees are one of those teams that will spend for players.
In most of the other markets, it takes a special guy to make a team spend north of 18 million a season for his services.
Manny just ain’t that kind of guy for reasons that go beyond his hitting prowlness.
I agree with the fact the Dodgers are in a box here. If they don’t sign him, not only will the fans revolt but, if the Giants get him, the Dodgers aren’t even the favorites to win the division.
Its one of those situations where signing Manny could make the West the Dodgers to lose. Not signing him? Puts them on the outside looking in with a ticked off fan base.
Scott doesn’t need much to create leverage for Manny. If its a Dodgers-Giants battle, he may have all the leverage needed to get Manny a good deal.
Manny wants 600 homers. He’s got 527. Mayeb that’s why he wants the 2nd year.
will the Mets offer 2 20 mil per? He might take it.
William Buckner
DT,
It’s great what Torre and Brown did, accept my point isn’t either. It’s that the incident should’ve stayed private between Torre and Brown.
Satire Mr. Buckner, satire.
I should have used a smiley face.
“francesa’s surprise guest about the book tomorrow who could it be”
Gotta be someone Torre burnt. Maybe a Yankee Exec.
Now I hope Manny goes to SF.
Problem is, the Wilpon’s want no part of Manny.
Unless they change their stance, the Mets aren’t an option for Manny.
Given everything that is going on around the Mets right now, I don’t see them giving up big money for Manny.
They have bigger problems right now.
NYYanksFan
February 3rd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
I keep hearing all phrases end the same way in my head.
Kevin Brown was fragile….not that that’s a bad thing.
George was a tyrant…..not that that’s a bad thing.
Alex is all about records….not that that’s a bad thing.
Joe Torre is a rat… not that that’s a bad thing.
Walt Disney made a fortune off a rat. (he claims it was a mouse, but we know better)
jennifer, besides having a glut of OFs, the Nationals need players who will serve as building blocks for years to come. Manny is 36 and already a poor fielder, and no NL should give him more than 2 years. Contrast him to Teixeira, who is 28, a great fielder, and a perfect long-term signing, and you can see why the Nationals pursued him but not Manny.
“It’s great what Torre and Brown did, accept my point isn’t either.”
I accept nothing!
The solution to everyone’s problems would be to make Manny the new Secretary for Health and Human Services.
aside from the madoff money, the mets are about to lose thier stadium’s title sponsor. you’d think this would put them out on manny, but id say there could be no better PR move for them than to sign manny. after that they can change the stadium’s name to ‘big ballyard next to the stinky water’ and it wont matter.
can you imagine what a bloodbath it will be if they lose citi bank? the new parks is branded from top to bottom and openining day is less than 3 months away!
The Dodgers set a floor for Manny by offering him 2 years/$45 million, which he rejected out of hand.
Somehow I think Manny will not wind up like Pettitte, getting less guaranteed money than he was originally offered. Everyone knows Manny still transforms a team.
I just wrote that no NL team should give Manny more than 2 years, but one will anyway. I say he returns to the Dodgers for 3 years, $66 million.
HAM- They should lose the sponsorship from Citibank. It is disgusting while they are firing people left and right that they are spending 400 million for the naming rights.
Re: nats- I didn’t realize they had such a glut of of’ers. I only suggested them thinking of the business aspect and getting fannies in the seats.
SJ44
February 3rd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Problem is, the Wilpon’s want no part of Manny.
Unless they change their stance, the Mets aren’t an option for Manny.
Given everything that is going on around the Mets right now, I don’t see them giving up big money for Manny.
They have bigger problems right now.
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I’m sure they have some concerns about the mone due on naming rights. God, that could get ugly. Just the media input into the potential squabbles.
Sign Manny away from the Dodgers. All we have to do is match and we get one year of an inspired Manny(inspired to get a new deal). Its a win-win Torre loses Manny to the Yanks just as his tell-all is getting press and Manny gets his money and gets to come home.
Coorection: money due on naming rights
And, as I wrote that, Citibank says they will honor the contract with the Mets.
i understand wilpon’s in a bad spot, but c’mon, manny to the mets is a natural. that plus a new stadium and instantly we’re talking about subway series.
it just seems like such a no brainer, the mets really need an OF with RH power. he’s a new yorker. it just seems like too good a fit to not happen to me
The only thing i would say to that is they could collect potential draft choices but then again the scary thing is …manny could easily just accept arbitration at 25 plus per. Thats why someone like Nady is a lot better draft choice collecter because he is looking to get paid.
“the mets are about to lose thier stadium’s title sponsor. ”
must’ve been the patches….
Does Manny know that there’s another team in New York? He might be disappointed if he signs with the Mets and then finds out he wonn’t be teammates with Arod.
new post
of course citibank is saying its not backing out, but apparently they are working out the details ‘just in case’
theres no way to stop that train now, but i see the deal being ‘amended’ before the next time citi has to go hat in hand for more TARP money, which will probably be in the next 2 weeks or so.
ill bet its cut down to a 3 or 4 yr agreement which will give the mets time to figure out what to do.
Throwing money at Manny is nuts right now. The way the market has developed a team could probably get two decent bats for less once the pride swallowing begins. He’s good, and a team that is right on the cusp could go over the top with Manny, but it would have to be a team that just needed more pop in the middle of the lineup.
Still, over paying for a guy because you’re worried he’ll be a baby if you don’t is crazy. I can’t really form an opinion on him. On the one hand he seems to have fun playing and gets along with his team mates (except the unusually ugly, I’m looking at you Youkilis). People have said he works very hard to hit as well as he does. On the other hand he’s a clown that has publicly quit on his team before and is bad on defense. Since the team that he quit on is the Sawx the Yankees should sign him to be the mascot let him clown around and taunt to his hearts content.
I heard in an interview the other day that the Dodgers stance was you had to keep manny hungry,That is why they will not go over 2 years.Keeping him playing for another contract is the only way they see keeping manny from being manny
“Since the team that he quit on is the Sawx the Yankees should sign him to be the mascot let him clown around and taunt to his hearts content.”
What you’re missing is that the “quitting” was not about the Red Sox. It was about his contract. He was facing 2 years and $40M and his new agent told him he could get 4 and $100M. His agent was wrong and Ramirez now stands a 50/50 shot of not even matching the 2/$40M he walked out on.
Chances are better than 50/50 he’ll be unhappy with the contract he gets. Given the 5 year old in a 37 year old body he’s proven to be, I don’t want to be the team that signs him to a deal he’s not going to like.
Torre’s first meeting with co-author Tom Verducci was in spring training of 2007.
A betting person says a book discussion would still be on hold if the Steinbrenner’s had offered Torre a 2-3 year deal with no strings or incentives attached last year.
This is clear cut sour grapes.
saucY: Of course Manny is legitimately looking for 3 or 4 years to persue some career milesones.
Four more years.
Another $100 million.
Two $100M+ contracts in the same career.
Rub Boston’s nose in his doo-doo pile of an attitude.
Were you asking about statistical baseball milestones? Sure … IMO he’d want to increase his career stats enough to demand an additional year or two at even more money per year.
ANSKY, i just wonder if the annual amount doesn’t mean as much as # of years and everyone is portraying him as a greedy bass turd.
would he take 3/70 or even 3 years and less than $70M?
Scott Boras knew that Teixeira would be his No. 1 sought after client but never knew Manny would be a tough sell.
Where is he signing in NJ?