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A couple of things about Alex

Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Feb 07, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

As several commenters mentioned, there’s nothing like perfect timing. I posted something that just happened to be on A-Rod and headed out the door for a late breakfast with my wife (which included pancakes for the table, by the way) … only to get a call midway through about the SI story. You can’t make this stuff up. Sadly, my company has not provided me with a BlackBerry or iPhone so I had to wait to get back before I could post. Looks like you guys went on just fine without me, though.

Now …

I understand that many of you are upset about the news – certainly if I was as big a Yankees fan as most of you, I would be, too. Feeling as though one of your favorite players has a) let you down b) cheated and c) been targeted, or some combination of all of these, is certainly reasonable. But I think it’s unreasonable and unbecoming to lash out at SI or Selena Roberts, and I’ll tell you why:

1. There are FOUR sources cited in this story. Four. Most media outlets would require at least two for a story like this one (though some might need only one), but to have four independent sources indicates to me that they have the information cold. Are anonymous sources irritating to readers? I’m sure they are. I know they bother me sometimes, but they are a necessity in certain cases and I can absolutely understand how this is one of them. That’s why it’s important there be more than just one person saying this is what happened; having four gives it serious validity.

2. Selena Roberts is an excellent reporter, someone who has always done thorough work and is incredibly respected in the journalism business. I do not believe for one second she would “make this up,” as one person wrote to me, or otherwise fabricate it. Add to that Sports Illustrated’s standards and history, and it’s very difficult to believe this story isn’t true.

What does it mean? That’s something I’m planning to spend the next few hours thinking about as I write a column for tomorrow’s newspaper, but I think it’s fair to say this: It means that Alex Rodriguez’s reputation and credibility are severely compromised.

This failed test does not mean he only took steroids one time. It only means that he was caught once, which is a very different thing. Don’t forget, there was no testing prior to 2003 even though using steroids without a prescription was both against MLB rules (though not particularly enforceable or punishable) and illegal in the United States. Also don’t forget that this isn’t one of those GNC slip-ups where someone didn’t read the label or can claim that he didn’t know what was in a supplement. Rodriguez took a serious, injectable steroid, SI says, and one which was more expensive than standard anabolic steroids because it was, among other things, less detectable. Put it this way: That doesn’t sound like a “gateway” drug.

For those who say that A-Rod was “clean ever since then,” make sure you read the sections of the SI report that discuss how a union official allegedly tipped off Rodriguez about upcoming testing – something which adds another layer of conspiracy potential to an already-dramatic revelation.

As for whether this will affect the upcoming season, I don’t see how it can’t. Do I think Rodriguez will go into a shell and be terrible? I don’t. But I also think it’s been proven that Rodriguez has a soft exterior and is prone to distractions. This will most certainly be one. We’re not talking about stupid Madonna stuff anymore. These are real questions about real cheating for a player that has prided himself on being the greatest player of all time.

That was A-Rod’s identity. Now, because of this story, the entirety of his baseball existence is suddenly debatable.

 
 

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320 Responses to “A couple of things about Alex”

  1. C-ROD February 7th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    I can’t believe this, its really upsetting

  2. tterba February 7th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    SIGN MANNY… WHO CARES… AROD WILL WILT UNDER PRESSURE REGARDLESS OF THIS SCANDAL

  3. Baja February 7th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    Arod, why?

    How is someone so phenomenally talented on the field incapable of getting out of his own way off the field?

  4. Fran February 7th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    On the MLB Network they were saying that Alex will now get killed by the fans at home and on the road. Like they didn’t kill him before this came out. He has got to be used to that by now.

  5. m February 7th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    I didn’t read through the last thread, but I saw Rebecca got a call waking her up with the news.

    I was watching “This Old House” (not a habit) and flipped it to espnews where I was promptly greeted with the Alex news in the scrawl.

    My first reaction was, “Is there anyone who hasn’t done steroids? Alex was supposed to be the ONE.”

    2) “How will this affect the Yankees?”

    3) “Wait and See.”

    4) “Who am I kidding?”

    5) “Can we void the contract?”

    6) “How will this affect the Yankees?”

    7) “I cannot f-in believe this. There are going to be a lot of disappointed kids.”

    I’m calm now, but I know it will get ugly and way worse before it gets better. Hopefully, spring training can go on as usual and a lot of the storm will be weathered before Alex comes to camp.

  6. kenobrien February 7th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    uggghhhh

  7. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    You have to wonder, will the Yankees be looking at ways to void ARod’s contract, or just live and let live. They stood to pay the guy an awful lot of money, and hoped to make a lot of money, based on ARod’s accomplishments.

    Now, they just look stupid.

  8. The Dude February 7th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    If you threw all of the guys out of baseball who are taking or have taken real, actual injections of a steroid with the purpose of enhancing their performance, you’d probably be able to field about half the amount of teams in the league, or maybe more.

    This is sad. But not surprising.

  9. bigjf February 7th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    I’m kind of skeptical as to how this could surprise anybody. Is it disappointing? Sure. But there’s been allegations in the past. Doesn’t surprise me for a second that Alex, who has always expected himself to be the best, would do whatever he had to do to stay on top of the rest of the pack. I expect this whole thing to get very ugly and to be a big distraction heading into spring training, mainly because A-Rod lied and doesn’t handle these controversies very well. It’s just another chapter in this whole thing, and I’m sick of it. It’s unfair that baseball is on the main stage for this when it’s prevalent in all major sports. I understand why baseball comes more under fire for it than the others, because of their love of numbers, but as much as I don’t want to be ignorant, I’m just sick of it because nothing would surprise me anymore about this whole thing. You could tell me that Jeter and Mariano are suspected, and I couldn’t even tell you you’re wrong.

  10. m February 7th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    I think that the only way that Alex will survive this is to say that he used steroids for a very finite period, a few months or something. Like give the dates. If he’s smart, he’ll do it Andy’s way rather than Roger’s.

  11. Ziny February 7th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    I cannot say I’m shocked… but I do feel bad for the guy.. he’s having a heck of a bad years since may 2007…
    I’m worried about all those kids out there that are his fans and that really look up at him…. Can anyone hear all those lil’ hearts getting broken?

    And yes, I think his going to get “killed” by fans at home and on the road…

  12. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    If I am honest with myself, I started to think twice regarding Alex when they reported his percentage of body fat. I know he’s a workout fanatic (something you cannot take away from him) and he’s also is strict regarding his nutrition program. However, is it even possible through diet and exercise alone to eliminate almost all of your body fat?

    The reason I had hoped that Clemens was wrongly accused was his workout regime. Again, you heard, no one worked harder than Roger. And no one works harder than ARod. I guess human beings can’t work that hard without some assistance.

  13. Mrs. Kekich February 7th, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    So much for the greatest ballplayer of all-time. That’s the thing that brings me down most – it wasn’t enough for A-Rod or Clemens to be major-leaguers, or even good or great. They had to be THE GREATEST.

    I am stunned that so many fans feel “well everyone did it, move on.” would you feel that way if no Yankees were implicated? Of course not. Fans who say that are almost as pathetic as the players.

    A-Fraud is an apt nickname for sure now.

  14. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Oddly enough, in Joe Torre’s book, he talked about some of the similarities between Roger and Alex. And what he didn’t talk about, you could infer yourself. Both are extremely driven to be the best. Both are insecure deep down. Enough pop psychology. Just a thought I was having.

  15. Mrs. Kekich February 7th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    “I know he’s a workout fanatic (something you cannot take away from him)”

    I can take it away. Him and Clemens, workout fanatics. This is worse than someone being hooked on coke or booze because that is a disease. The only disease here is greed and ego. there are a lot of workout fanatics who don’t go from skinny kids to hitting 50 home runs.

  16. pat February 7th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    SJ

    In a strange way, the steroids issue could become the union busting thing owners have tried to accomplish for years.

    Will players give the union the authority to hold out because of drug testing or can the union convince them that it’s about privacy and not drug testing.

    Will be interesting to watch.

  17. Michael February 7th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    9 more years of this guy?! Somewhere his ex-wife sits and smiles. If a guy can cheat on his wife after giving birth 2 months prior, why is it unreasonable to think he wouldn’t cheat in his career.

  18. SRSI February 7th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Every week it seems another Yankee bites the dust. Being a fan is not so much fun today.

  19. Mrs. Kekich February 7th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    A-Rod will lie about it just like Clemens. Pettitte could admit it because he had less at stake – he had no hall of fame to worry about, he was not worried about his image (although he shoulda been as a bible thumper hwo cheated then lied about it). A-Rod has cultivated his perfect image – it is all he has. he will fight, and end up like Clemens.

  20. m February 7th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Doreen,

    How did Torre treat Clemens in the book? Was he treated more like Alex or more like Jeter?

  21. wood is good February 7th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    I can’t even describe the depth of disappointment I feel right now. If the news is true, he has to go the Andy route. If he doesn’t…oh man, I can’t even fathom how this season will go for him, for us.

    I know, I know, it’s only baseball. This isn’t “real” life. But as a lifelong Yankees fan, I’m incredibly bummed out right now. Great way to start spring training….

    How many chants of “A-Fraud” are we going to hear from opening day until the final game of the season — THIS year?

  22. Bret the Hitman February 7th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Re: Arod cheats

    Look on the bright side Peter. You no longer have to make excuses for Arod to all the idiot Yankees fans who worship false idols.

  23. Rudy February 7th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    It’s now clear how great Pujols and Manny Ramirez really are, baring the fact that they didn’t cheat either. This is disgusting.

  24. Bret the Hitman February 7th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    Re: Torre’s book

    psssssst. rumor has it that former teammates of Arod used to call him ‘A-fraud’ behind his back.

    Imagine that.

  25. Mrs. Kekich February 7th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    Pat: In a strange way, the steroids issue could become the union busting thing owners have tried to accomplish for years.

    wow, great point. hadn’t thought of that. a strike now in the post-roid years would really be a killer. And in hindsight, they might not have ever recovered from 1994-95 if not for juice.

  26. Baseball Guy February 7th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    I’m not surprised.

    Nothing surprises me any longer.

    A-Rod was a hard guy to embrace before this. This just destroys his Yankee legacy.

    As a parent and coach, I’ll use this, as the latest in a long line of examples, to show how cheating makes all of a person’s accomplishments diminished and questions.

    I think, long term, we’re seeing the first stages of a decline in how people treat and look at sports. Sports was magical when the players seemed to be heroes. Sure, some were mighty flawed, but they seemed to be heroes. They did things on the field that we couldn’t do – and they did it, as far as we knew, naturally.

    Today’s generation of fans never had that opportunity, however inaccurate my childhood perceptions were. Today’s kids see so many heroes, A-Rod, Michael Phelps, Kobe Bryant, on and on, as law breakers, drug users, cheats or worse.

    Also, this puts into question this whole era of baseball beyond any question. If, to name just a few stars, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, A-Rod, Andy Pettitte, and lesser players like Randy Velarde (I don’t feel like looking up other players who have been named) were all using, then who is to say that the players we think are clean truly are?

    To compete against these “supermen,” the other players almost certainly had to use. If not, how could they compete? To me, this is just the latest to cast a dark cloud over all the players.

    Jeter, as an example, hasn’t been named. Ok, Great, but does that make him clean? I can’t say that. I can only say, “He was never accused or caught.” That goes for every player. Every single player. Every game is tainted, every record questioned.

    I just heard on the radio (WFAN) that “Albert Pujols is the new clean guy to hopefully be the homerun king.” Who is to say he’s clean?

    But this isn’t to cast doubt on Pujols or Jeter or anyone specifically, it’s to say that the grand sum total of accusations and revelations about steriod use puts them all in question. Forever.

    I rooted against Giambi and Sheffield and Clemens and I’m tired of it. I try to root for the jersey, but now when players like A-Rod represent that jersey, it’s hard to even care about the Yankees, or even the sport.

    I’m a partial season ticket holder looking, when the Yankees finally get around to it, at a huge increase in my season ticket plan cost. It may be at the point where I cancel the tickets I’ve had for so long.

    It’s hard to explain, as a dad, to my kids time and again that “cheaters don’t win” and that we don’t root for cheaters. It’s destroyed their faith in the game, I know that. They don’t trust it. They don’t see baseball players as heroes as the kids of my generation did when we were growing up.

    It’s a shame. I’m not surprised. When you look at these players, most seem so huge, how can that happen without enhancement? I’m afraid it can’t.

    Baseball just might be going the direction of “sports” like wrestling. It might be a good show, but it’s all fake.

    You can’t root as we once did that what is happened is happening by athletes who are clean… that is just impossible.

    It’s a shame.

  27. PJH February 7th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    What A-Rod did is wrong and inexplicable. There is no doubt at all. But he is being unjustly treated based on his prominence in the sport and his reputation. In no way am I condoning what he did/is doing. But to hear that he is 1 of 104 names on a confidential list, sealed by the Federal Government and he is the ONLY name on the list to come out is just unacceptable. If I am A-Rod or his lawyer, I am taking this to court faster than you can say Balco. This is truly an injustice and it shows incompetence in the system. There is no way that he should be one of over 100 names to come out.

  28. Bret the Hitman February 7th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Re: Torre

    All Torre’s fault.

    Grrrrrrr.

    Arod is the BESTEST EVER!!!!

  29. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    m -

    In between, I’d say. In the end, Torre liked Clemens’ personality and he didn’t like Alex’s personality. Torre complained about Alex being a diva (not getting his own coffee) but didn’t seem to have a problem with Roger needing his own personal trainer on the payroll. Torre made a big issue out of Alex having difficulty fitting in, and though he talks about Clemens having the same difficulty (via a phone conversation he overheard between Roger and his mom), he didn’t have the same disdain for it as he did with Alex.

  30. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption February 7th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Nobody cares when Football players do it, you NEVER hear anybody suggesting Basketball players do it (at least I haven’t seen it) and I just can’t bring myself to care what these Baseball players are doing as far as their workout supplements. I played college football and (admittedly not as intense as pro sports) but everybody knew how to get and who was doing this kind of thing, and that it was almost expected. The testing is a joke and the only real way to compete with people is to do something yourself, or lose your spot. I never wanted to look in the mirror and see a cheater so I got to be a backup for 2 years, but to each their own. My whole point is that steroids is RAMPANT in our society from high school straight through to the highest pro-athlete. Nobody is exempt because every athlete is bombarded with steroids from the time you join the Varsity team in HS. When you realize this you won’t be surprised when names like this come out. Don’t be surprised when Manny, Jeter, Pujols, whoever comes out as a user. I’m not suggesting those guys did it just that if they did it wouldn’t be a surprise. This is the sports culture whether you like it or not.

    With the state of this country and the world I really can’t see why we all care so much.

  31. dave February 7th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Maybe if he grows a bushy mustache, jokes with beat reporters, and takes the rookies out to the strip club after the game, he’ll be forgiven and embraced as a “good guy” — whaddya think Pete?

    We can change his nickname to “Big A” or “Big R” or something.

    I hope A-Rod doesn’t take it as hard as Giambi did. I remember Jason’s deer-in-headlights look while sitting in the dugout after being benched due to mystery ailments. All after telling the media that his weight loss was due to cutting out fast food in the off-season. We have A-Fraud — but don’t forget G-Fraud.

  32. Bronx Jeers February 7th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    From the SI story:

    “Primobolan, which is also known by the chemical name methenolone, is an injected or orally administered drug that is more expensive than most steroids.”

    Jeez, he’s even high maintenance when it comes to PED’s!

    Seriously, This is just awful. No matter what negative thing one could say about Alex, at least you could say he’s clean.

    Now, POOF! It’s all gone.

    This has been a baaaad two weeks for Alex.

  33. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 7th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Bowa sounded geninuely concerned about how Alex would handle this. Very troubling.

  34. David February 7th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    I hope A-Rod sues every dollar out of the people who leak this info. If the reporter does not give up her sources, she should go to jail.

    I only wish the media/MLB/Prosecutors would ‘leak’ info about some team other than those in NY. There were 107 tests that were seized, yet we hear about A-Rod. They find 2 clubhouse people who were pushing steroids, both in NY. I really doubt that NYC has a disproportionate number of users, but where is the evidence out of Boston? LA? KC?

  35. feefoo February 7th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    so f’in what??? I’m pretty sure even Jeter roided before (when he hit 20 homeruns) … so ? arod produces every season and he will produce again this year.

  36. Jeet Skeet February 7th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    A-Rod has been my favorite player since he was on the Mariners..i dont even know what to think about him now… talk about a shot to the heart

  37. Wiseman February 7th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    AROD is a phoney and a disaster. No way the Yanks should have ran after him last year. Mistake that will not go away.

  38. pat February 7th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Rudy

    Sadly, what it does is question Pujols and Manny more not appreciate them more. It puts a shade of doubt on everyone.

  39. m February 7th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    Olney on tv saying this may affect his HOF chances.

    He’ll be in the game for another 10 years (unless he cracks), so I think there may be a “change” of hearts somehow. Otherwise, there will be a big gap in the HOF if they don’t let anyone suspected of steroids in.

    Any chance Jeter took? If not, is he the only one? Maybe Edwar, Alexi Ramirez, and Livan. That’s 4. Help me out guys. I think it’s easier to make a list of who didn’t use than who did.

    Good news is that this will really clean up the game. If you’re a kid and you know that even Alex can’t be protected, you’d be a fool to even think about using.

  40. David February 7th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    The argument that 4 sources makes the report valid only holds water if we know there really are four sources (the reporter’s word is good enough?) and we know who the sources are (Varitek?)

  41. Sean Serritella February 7th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    “the entirety of his baseball existence is suddenly debatable.”

    Sam, I think that the entirety of major league baseball’s existence is suddenly debatable.

  42. Carmine February 7th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    The first reaction I have is that this makes you think how great Pujols is for being clean. Then the second reaction I have is…I don’t really know that he is.

  43. tipper February 7th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    anonymous person gave me this list of roiders:
    ortiz
    varitek
    nixon
    kapler

  44. kill.schill(ing) February 7th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    “It means that Alex Rodriguez’s reputation and credibility are severely compromised…Now, because of this story, the entirety of his baseball existence is suddenly debatable.”

    Really?

    2003- STEROID POSITIVE MVP-Season: .298/.386/.600, 47 HR, 118 RBIS

    2007- STEROID NEGATIVE MVP-Season: .314/.422/.645, 54 HR, 156 RBIs

    Perhaps, they don’t teach logic in journalism school.
    ****************

    “Alex Rodriguez’s reputation and credibility are severely compromised…”

    Do you know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is?

    Do all baseball journalists share the same brain?

    Are any of them capable of independent thought?

    Why does a guy who writes about baseball for a newspaper think the Baseball Gods appointed him the sports arbiter and guardian of purity?

    These are questions that roil me far more that whether A-rod took steroids.

  45. JJ February 7th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    IF Mo is dirty, I’m done with baseball.

  46. Rodderreo February 7th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    I always know there was something wrong with AROD. I can never root for him again. In my mind he is worse than Giambi, Pettite and Clemens. Another dark day for our beloved Yankees.

  47. Bob(The Original) February 7th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Thanks Sam. I’m going to go throw up now.

    Seriously, this turns out to be a rotten day for not only Yankee fans, but for baseball fans in general.

  48. tipper February 7th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    how come arod’s name is the only one to come out of this? release the other names! i bet jeter and mo are in it

  49. Anon February 7th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    “1. There are FOUR sources cited in this story. Four. Most media outlets would require at least two for a story like this one (though some might need only one), but to have four independent sources indicates to me that they have the information cold. Are anonymous sources irritating to readers? I’m sure they are. I know they bother me sometimes, but they are a necessity in certain cases and I can absolutely understand how this is one of them. That’s why it’s important there be more than just one person saying this is what happened; having four gives it serious validity.”

    This is stupid.

  50. m February 7th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Thanks, Doreen.

    And if I look at Pujols, he’s especially suspicious. Look at how big he is and his head. He looks like Paul Bunyan out there.

    Manny? He’s not really a big guy.

    Sad, but all these guys who’ve been named, have talent. They didn’t need this stuff.

    But if Alex did it, I can see why. He wanted to be the best baseball player ever. But no one will look at him that way if this turns out to be true.

  51. Rudy February 7th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Pat,

    You’re correct, for a while A-Rod was the posterboy for the HR record and once he passed it Barry Bonds would be a thing of the past. Now A-Rod’s credibility is ruined and tainted, now what? This officially sucks, but it HAD to come out for the better of the game.

  52. Fran February 7th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Sean – I agree that this puts a cloud on everyone. Other players may have tested positive but their identities have not “leaked” out. Also whose not to say that others haven’t done it and just managed to not get caught.

  53. JP February 7th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Here are two things I don’t get:

    1. Under the guise of “journalism” why are all of these sports reporters essentially tearing apart the game(s) they cover? I honestly don’t care about what players (in any sport) took, didn’t take, or otherwise, and I’m positive that the VAST majority of fans feel the same way. I want to watch the games, period. If I wanted a soap opera I’d watch the WWE. Report on the sport. We’re tired of the rest of this nonsense. Keep it up, and pretty soon no one will care about the sports you depend upon for your jobs.

    2. Is Alex really that terrible of a human being? I’ve never met him, so I can’t say, but holy crap do people line up to take shots at him. It can’t be just because of his stature. There’s got to be more to it.

  54. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 7th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    The only way Alex will be able to combat this is if he continues to be phenomenal while clean. That’s the only way he changes perception.

  55. dave February 7th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Sooooo many questions running through my head as i read that post:

    Why out of a list of over 100 people, does she write the entire story about arod??

    How does she or anyone have access to anonymous sealed government information?

    If the government had this info beforehand, why wasnt it used during the mitchell report?

    Where are these four anonymous sources coming from, are they government officials?

    Doesnt it seem wierd that the same woman who broke this story wrote a fabricated story about the duke lacrosse team and is in the process of publishing a book that rips arod even in the title?

    Are their laws that protects the anonymity of surverys like this and who is to blame for this breach of privacy that has the potential to destroy arods reputation if it hasnt already?

    Why is the government allowed to confiscate anonymous surverys and why does the mlb give anonymous surverys that have names attached to them somewhere?

    Even being tipped off, could arod actually logically have been using roids his entire career and somehow managed to only get caught one time? Maybe he only uses them on odd years huh?

    Could arod have used this stuff without it being in an illegal manner?

    Should i still draft arod first on my fantasy baseball team if he is still on the board?

  56. Betsy February 7th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    Selena Roberts is an excellent reporter? I should have stopped right there.

    I will say that this absolutely puts into question Alex’ past and future performances. He cheated once, he probably cheated again.

    This season is going to be a drag, so I’m going to emotionally distance myself from it ASAP. I just don’t even care anymore – not about the new guys, not about anything. What’s the point?

  57. Laura - Standing behind Alex! February 7th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    “2. Is Alex really that terrible of a human being? I’ve never met him, so I can’t say, but holy crap do people line up to take shots at him. It can’t be just because of his stature. There’s got to be more to it.”

    It’s amazing how everyone is out to get him. It’s one thing for other players to hate him or for the fans to be disappointed in his postseason play, but for reporters et al to be after him is mind boggling. There must be something about him. I wish I could meet him so that I can figure out what exactly it is about him that puts him on everyone’s hate list.

  58. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Sadly, it does call Pujols’ accomplishments into question as well. It’s funny, because very recently (within the last 2 weeks) there was a discussion on a radio program about Pujols and he was not expected to be this good. I didn’t think anything of it at the time – Mattingly was a guy, for instance, who did even better thane expected when he was first drafted, right?

    Every player in the last 10-15 years has to be under suspicion for using at least one time or another.

    Baseball Guy -

    Not just sports figure heroes, but entertainment industry celebrities as well. We try and teach our kids that their actions have consequences, and then these people with money and fame, these privileged people in our society, get chance after chance and make millions of dollars. Where and what are the consequences? How do you talk to your kids about that?

    And even if you try and make an example of ARod, the overreaching message is he has made enough money to retire right now. And we all know that the love of money in our society is pretty strong. A kid can figure, I’ll do what I can do to get what I can get, and if I get caught, hope I’m already set for life.

    Our elected officials don’t pay their taxes, but raise ours. And they lose out on an appointment (or not), but get t keep their job.

    Ah, well.

  59. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    I wake up to this?

    I’m going to go puke now.

    And they better release the full list.

  60. JJ February 7th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    A-Rod since 2003
    Alex Rodriguez’s at-bats, home runs and RBIs over the past six seasons
    Year

    AB

    HR

    RBIs
    2003 607 47 118
    2004 601 36 106
    2005 605 48 130
    2006 572 35 121
    2007 583 54 156
    2008 510 35 103

  61. m February 7th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Sean,

    Joba was taking steroids when he was cleaning bathrooms in the public parks of Lincoln? Or was it in college? I think the younger kids are more likely to be clean.

    But then these stupid minor leaguers keep testing positive.

    It’s got to be systemic. It’s not like these kids or players are going out and getting it on their own. There are guys giving them advice and getting if for them. And they’re hanging out around the teams. Because there’s way too many guys from certain teams. (Texas Rangers, Oakland A’s)

  62. Psyluk February 7th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    With all the commotion over A-Rod, people are glossing over a few interesting elements of the story.

    1. Selena Roberts is currently writing a book about A-Rod that is scheduled to be released later on. Although she works for SI and worked with another reporter to release the article, doesn’t this seem a little fishy to you? There’s NOTHING connected between the fact that she’s writing a book and this report? Really?

    2. Where was all of this during the heyday of the BALCO scandal, when MLB stars went into Washington DC and, for the large part, made fools of themselves? You’re telling me that the technology and techniques used to detect various compounds in urine and blood were 6 years behind and that they JUST found this out?

    3. What a fantastic time to release this news, a week before pitchers and catchers report in Tampa. No need to care about the World Baseball Classic now, folks. Actually, A-Rod is playing in the WBC. I guess there’s a reason for the media to care now.

    4. Where are the other 100+ people that were caught using banned (but not banned back then) substances in 2003? to simply release a single name out of over a hundred that perpetrated the same act is not only ridiculous, it’s irresponsible journalism at its finest.

    No one is exonerating A-Rod from what he allegedly did. If he did test positive for steroids in 2003, then he should beat full responsibility for his actions. As it is, his reputation has probably been tarnished forever in the eyes of public opinion. But here’s the problem. Selena Roberts (she of the A-Rod book) has put A-Rod out by himself on an island when he should be standing there with 103 other baseball players. Now those 103 baseball players don’t make more than 25 million dollars a year, but they tested positive just the same.

    Sports journalism has devolved into a profession of sensationalism, nielsen ratings and webhits more than an institution of integrity that seeks to fully uncover the truth behind what goes on behind the scenes. Case in point, would you be more likely to read an article that read “Carlos Silva Tests Positive for Steroids” No! And therein lies the problem. Society, due in large part to the influence of the media, has developed a singular focus on the news that will boost whatever number or statistic that is most beneficial to the people that release the news to the general public. We’re more interested in the behavior of one famous person rather than the collective behavior of everyone that shares that person’s profession.

    So praise Selena Roberts and slander A-Rod all you want. If it’s true, A-Rod deserves all the bad press that goes along with it. But until more information comes out about everyone that should be standing on the island with A-Rod, Selena Roberts will always be someone who traded in the rightful responsibilities of a sports journalist for statistics to benefit her and her employer.

  63. CENTRAL CT YANKEE February 7th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    Arod Press Conference at 3pm to announce he will play for the USA in the WBC

  64. dave February 7th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    Betsy

    Frankly, it doesnt matter if he cheated once or if he cheated twice. If he has been cheating his entire career and somehow managing to cover it up by being tipped off and buying the newest roids, I will be miserably depressed. I guess that is the third stage of grieving and i AM STILL on the first stage – ANGER!

  65. Scared of the Wall February 7th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    I realize that Sam’s post was probably meant with good intentions, but a lot of people are going to be wary of Selena Roberts because of the Duke lacrosse situation. I just don’t like how she’s being so selective with confidentiality by singling out A-Rod and not naming the others on the list.

  66. JJ February 7th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    Ill try this again..
    A-Rod since 2003
    Alex Rodriguez’s at-bats, home runs and RBIs over the past six seasons
    Year AB HR RBI
    2003 607 47 118
    2004 601 36 106
    2005 605 48 130
    2006 572 35 121
    2007 583 54 156
    2008 510 35 103

  67. pat February 7th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    With all the guys who were allegedly roiding on the early 2000 Texas teams, why did they stink so much? Further proof, it’s all about the pitching.

  68. Carmine February 7th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    To Pujols’s credit, firstly, he is innocent until proven guilty. I was just sharing my thought process. But secondly, I don’t think IF steroids are involved, I don’t think they alone turned him from a guy nobody expected much from into one of the greatest hitters ever.

  69. Bronx Jeers February 7th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    “It’s been confirmed that the four sources were:
    Peter Gammons, John Henry, Joe Torre and somebody named Pete. ”

    That’s funny. Don’t forget Guy Ritchie.

    Somebody should do a report on which team has spent the most money on PED users.

    Then burn the results cause I already know the answer.

    If Alex somehow skates through this and has a great year then he definitely is The Iceman.

    Canseco’s cellphone must be red-hot right now. He should just change his voicemail message to “I told you so!”

  70. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption February 7th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    M– It wouldn’t shock me if Joba took the juice. NOBODY hasn’t had the opportunity to get their hands on it. Undoubtedly he at the very least had the chance to buy a cycle and try it out. Maybe he didn’t but there is no athlete out there who doesn’t know somebody who has or how to get their own hands on the stuff. It’s the nature of the beast when everybody you know expects you to be bigger stronger faster. It does make the success of guys who are clean that much more special, but there’s no way to know who’s clean.

  71. patti February 7th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Afraud doesn’t sound so bad now does it?

    I hate that big Stein strapped the yankees with this CHEATERS.Now,I KNOW WHY HE UNDER PERFORMS in clutch,HE DOESN’ HAVE HIS JUICE.

    Conseco was right about another big name player.

  72. Matt February 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    I think this should be a watershed moment for Yankee fans to rally around A-Rod and protect him the way Giants fans did for Bonds. WE come down pretty hard on Alex when its clear all he wants is to be our white knight. I just don’t understand how we are all soooo critical of him when they guy goes out there and give 200% of himself to win compared to Manny when he was in Boston. If any of you have been up there its clear they revered him as a god no matter what he did on or off the field. If Alex did take steroids for a cycle it clearly wasn’t for him and soon decided to stop. I do not see who it helps by digging up old tests. The only reason they write these kind of articles is because they think that its what we want to read. Alex needs to be straight forward about what happened and if the idiot writers don’t let him in the HOF monument will always have a place for him.

  73. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    I hate to say this but the Yanks may need to void his contract if they can.

    Make him sign a “real” contract based on him being clean as well as performance.

    No team is going to give him more than 8/100M right now.

  74. Rudy February 7th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    Great point! Canseco – for the gold-digging moron that he is, has been more correct than wrong!

  75. Al from BK February 7th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    So A-Rod tests positive 6 years ago with Texas and its a big deal now when hes been clean since the rigorous testing started. Mind you hes been tested more than any player in the game likely since the testing started, and we all know how huge his 2007 was that was all-Arod. As far as I’m concerned this is just baseball trying to derail the Yanks once again. A-Rod will be fine all he has to say is I have been tested every month for the past 4 years and I have never tested positive and now this report comes out from back in 03? It seems a little fishy to me.

  76. Zack February 7th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Sam,
    While you are right that the story is most likely true, you can’t say that there isn’t a conflict of interest here that really calls Roberts into question. She has a book coming out this summer on none other than Alex Rodriguez.
    Selena Roberts is also a reporter who made her name on ARod, mostly through calling him out at various times. You cannot dispute that if you look at her NY Times archive.
    There is a serious, serious question here as to why this was released now. These test results were from ‘03, and just now, a few months before her book, right before spring training, A-Rod’s named happens to get leaked, illegally mind you, to someone who has not only gone after him before, but has a book coming out on him? Nobody else’s name was leaked, just his. That means that a) Roberts must have specifically been targeting A-Rod, or else she would have either gotten the entire list or at least more names, and/or b) She is specifically using this to pump her book (duh).

    All of those things are highly questionable to me, and while it doesn’t excuse what A-Rod did or make me believe it less, it most certainly sheds some light on Roberts

    Now Sam, I know that you are a journalist and therefore probably will back Roberts no matter what. But can you seriously tow the line that this report doesn’t carry with it HUGE HUGE question marks on Roberts as well?

  77. Adam in LA February 7th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    I have no problem with SI reporting this. What bothers me is that of the 104 names in the report, why is only A-Rod’s leaked? If over 5% of the MLB players in 2003 tested positive, then surely there are some other big names on that list. Why is only A-Rod targeted? Is it because the anonymous sources are only willing to confirm his name? Clearly we won’t know much until the Pasadena Court issues a ruling and then perhaps we still won’t know much if they choose to keep the documents sealed, but I think Selena Roberts and others need to do some digging on some of the other 103 names.

  78. i am the walrus February 7th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Four unnamed sources are still four unnamed sources.

    I’m sorry, but when the Media in general has credibility problems all over the place, calling someone a respected journalist just doesn’t mean much.

    Seems to me I remember a certain respected TV newsman who lost his job over false claims about Bush’s National Guard service. That was all supposed to have been vetted as well.

    Newspapers are dying because of the lack of trust the people have in them. News programs are seeing huge drop offs in their ratings because of the bias they display.

    No matter what A-Rod says or doesn’t say means nothing. Nothing! No matter what he says it will be turned and twisted into guilt.

    I have a huge problem when these 4 so-called independent sources can only name 1 single player. Only one. Why? If there were over 100 who tested positive, you cannot tell me that only one is newsworthy. This is not responsible reporting. It is agenda driven by a woman who goes out of her way to go after A-Rod.

    The Yankees and A-Rod are always targets by the sports media. Mitchell ruined his reputation by his biased report, as HE IS A MEMBER OF THE RED SOX – he would have had access to that clubhouse.

    What proof is being offered in this story? Someone’s word or actual documents? Show me the original documents along with every other players name then.

  79. tipper February 7th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Selena Roberts is going to jail

  80. JJ February 7th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    this is the nasty stuff Aroid took:
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catprimo.htm

  81. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    They can’t void the contract. A positive test from 2003 is not grounds for voiding the contract.

    As far as anybody knows he has never flunked a drug test while a member of the Yankees.

    Let’s not get carried away.

  82. Ham Fighters February 7th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    alex needs to giambi-up.

    the rest of the country pretty much never got it that new york accepted giambi’s apology. the press kept pointing out how he didnt admit anything really, but yankees fans heard a sincere apology for what he had done, accepted it and moved on.

    your turn alex. we’re waiting.

  83. PJH February 7th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Sam Borden- When you say it does not sound like a “gateway drug” and seem to point toward it being serious, you need to check your facts.

    Number one, he did not test positive for 2 different steroids. The one steroid has 2 different names. Primobolan and methenolon.

    Second, I have read that it is questionable as a body bulding drug and it is commonly used as a immune system booster in AIDs patients. It does not have the side effects of your hard core anabolic steroids (acne, water retention, etc.)

    However, it is used by hard core body builders during their off periods to retain their muscle mass without the side effects of steroids.

    You should check your facts before posting.

  84. tipper February 7th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    nolan ryan is also a roider

  85. SRSI February 7th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Dave,

    First stage is denial, sadly I think we skipped it because news like this has become so common place with our team these days.

  86. m February 7th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Will A-rod take a financial hit? I thought a lot of his contract with the Yankees was tied to the HR chase. If he’s tainted will the HR chase be valid? Or historic?

    Laura,

    I like Alex the player, but from his persona I found him to be fake. Out of touch at times. Aloof. That’s from watching him speak on tv. And I trust Pete when he says that Alex would be talking to a group of writers and he’ll just walk away. Without a word. 2 things there. It’s weird. And it’s disrespectful. Pete says most of the guys will say, “Is that it? ‘K. See you later.” What’s so hard about giving salutations?

    He craves respect, wants it more than anything in the world. But he doesn’t understand it. To get respect, you have to give respect. Hate to bring Jeter into this, but I will. Jeter is respected because he gives respect. He doesn’t say much of any substance to the reporters, but he’s polite and respectful.

    I don’t know much about the ballplayers, but it’ll be interesting to see which ones the clubhouse staff like. Which players greet the staff, know them by name, ask about their families? Great people who are stars or important treat the “little” people well. And in return are given respect. Not adoration, but respect.

    Anyway, I want the best for Alex and hope it turns out better than we are picturing.

  87. Matt February 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    A-Rod needs us to support him the way Giants Fans supported Bonds. I can’t understand how A-rod is always crucified but a guy like Manny who puts out a half hearted effort is given a pass.

  88. Al from BK February 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Typical Yankeehating garbage IMO. A-Rod has produced since he was 19 years old so unless he was juicing from the start then I find this hard to believe. Also the fact that this woman has a book coming out on ARod seems to make too much sense for me. She is trying to get the target on Arods back so she can sell more books! This is just like the Torre book strategic leaks and quotes to sell more copies. Secondly if he failed only one test after likely hundreds of tests over his career I have serious doubts about the credibility of these “sources”.

  89. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Ham,

    He can’t say anything until the court case in California is decided. If he does, he risks that case.

    He’s in a box. He may just have to say “no comment” for now until the California Supreme Court makes its ruling.

  90. Bronx Jeers February 7th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Alex should just come clean.

    This Gene Orza stuff is another can of worms as it leaves open the possibility that even Alex’s clean tests were somehow tainted.

  91. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption February 7th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    SJ– despite the case do you think Alex might respond to the reports anyway? Is it possible he thinks to himself or the Union thinks for him “if they’re going to release confidential names than we are going to defend ourselves.” ? Or would there be too much backlash from the government?

  92. Ham Fighters February 7th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    giambi was in hot water too, and he never admitted what he did, but he was sincere enough that people knew what he was talking about and knew he couldnt say he used steroids. he just said he was sorry for anything he did.

    i dont think the legal issue cant be overcome, but the sincerity part?

    maybe its not such a good idea after all…

  93. PBSG February 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    I won’t believe anything nor jump to conclusions until I see the report with my own eyes. If he is guilty, then so be it – however I will not believe ANYONE just because they are a “journalist”.

    Sources you say, just like the sources that implemented Pujols? Sources that said we had WMD in Iraq? Give me a break.

    I will root for A-Rod until it is proven he cheated, until then you still are innocent until proven guilty – even if the accuser is an SI “journalist”. Selena could be a saint but she shouldn’t be the judge/jury/executioner.

    Also, where are the other names? 104 of them and you select A-Rod? Did Varitek’s name finally pop up on one of those tests? Something is really fishy here.

  94. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    SJ44,

    what’s your take on ARod being the only name to come out?

  95. Barry Lane February 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Only marginally related to this story:

    1. Arod was never going to be the best player of all time.

    2. Same for Bonds.

    3. History matters. The Best Player of all time hit 714 home runs, slugged .690 and won 95 games pitching mostly for the Red Sox. He was also quite effective, as batter and pitcher, in various World Series’.

    Any idea who this guy is…? Was…?

    Barry Lane

  96. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Rob,

    If I was advising him, I would have him say nothing.

    Right now, until proven otherwise, he’s a government target. Leaking this information tells me somebody in the government is looking to see if he puts himself in legal harm.

    I would tell him to say, “I can’t comment on anything because of the pending case in the California Supreme Court”.

    I know he will get blistered in the media and from fans for it. However, he’s clearly in the government’s crosshairs right now, IMO, and that takes precedence over bad PR.

    Just gotta sack up, suck it up, and play baseball.

    Once the case in California is decided, you can change strategy if the ruling is favorable.

  97. Carla February 7th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    *-Rod

  98. Tex's New Best Friend February 7th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    It’s now clear how great Pujols and Manny Ramirez really are, baring the fact that they didn’t cheat either. This is disgusting.

    104 players listed. Only one was leaked. You should be careful before saying Pujols and Manny didnt test positive. Just because it hasnt leaked yet doesnt mean they are not 2 of the other 103.

  99. m February 7th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    I’m not in the shoot the messenger camp as far as the media reporting it.

    But it’s wrong to leak 1/104th of a list. Was he the only big name? Or was it Alex and 103 fringe players? Somehow, I don’t think so. Print the damn list or keep your mouth shut.

    Alex’s response was weird (no surprise). Why not just say, “No comment”? “I gotta talk to the union”? Wha’?!

  100. Marc February 7th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    I guess the good news is the CC, AJ and Tex won’t have to worry about the media too much early on this season. They’ll have plenty of time to fly under the radar and break in their pinstripes. I was hoping the addition of these guys would give the media new blood to feed on and let A-Rod just play the game. But I don’t think that’ll ever happen as long as he’s in NYC.

    For the record I don’t think any player isn’t suspect from this era. I have had numerous discussions with an irrational friend about particular players he’s SURE never touched the stuff. For example Jr. I’m not saying he did, I have little reason to believe he did. But nobody can say with 100% certainty that he didn’t. That same goes for every player in the league that’s played over the last 20-25yrs.

    To be frank I’m tired of these witch hunts and the finger-pointing. I find it accomplishes very little. Let’s work on cleaning up the game now. Finding a way to test for and enforce HGH use which I’d bet is still rampant in the league would be good start.

  101. Rishi February 7th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    anyone know where I can get the other 100+ names?

    No…ummm…isn’t that a little ridiculous?

  102. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    SJ44

    But why would ARod be in the government’s cross-hairs?

  103. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    “A-Rod will lie about it just like Clemens. Pettitte could admit it because he had less at stake – he had no hall of fame to worry about, he was not worried about his image (although he shoulda been as a bible thumper hwo cheated then lied about it). A-Rod has cultivated his perfect image – it is all he has. he will fight, and end up like Clemens.”

    Can I borrow your crystal ball? Its damn good at knowing things no one has any way of knowing.

  104. Ham Fighters February 7th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    in the interest of accuracy, bonds was the first name to come out regarding the 2003 tests (at least that i heard) so its at least 2 now. and why would anybody be suprised if only the most recognizable name (or in this case the 2 most recognizable names) came out.

  105. Sully February 7th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    “YAWN”

    I just got up.
    California time… any news today?
    Anything about Nick Swisher?

  106. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    “Alex’s response was weird (no surprise). Why not just say, “No comment”? “I gotta talk to the union”? Wha’?!”

    How is it weird? Given that the union is the one with the lawsuit against the release of any names, isn’t that who he should be talking to?

  107. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    I invoke rule 3, Sully.

    Run along. :)

  108. m February 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Angel,

    Just sounded off to me. It’s a comment that will be disected.

  109. pat February 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    m

    If Selena Roberts was kicking around, chances are the players union or Boras had the heads up and told him to refer all questions to the union. That’s the place where all the lawyers live.

  110. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    I just know David Ortiz is on that list. Please leak that one too.

  111. Bob Farrell February 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Whata friggin surprise. So, now which record will mean more to Yankee fans. A-Rod’s inevitable 800 homers or Derek Jetr’s 3,000 hits. Easy call and just another example of how A-Rod only cares about himself.

  112. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    SJ44

    But why would ARod be in the government’s cross-hairs?

    *********************************************************

    I’m sure SJ will answer for himself, but I’d say they’re thinking perjury – ala Clemens. See what he does and says – and see if he throws them a bone.

  113. Michael L February 7th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Why ARod only???? Where is the list of the other 100+ freaking players??? This just goes to show how hated the yankees are and how everyone is trying to bring us down. Bullsh*t. Where is the name of all the Red Sux players??????????

  114. Billy J. February 7th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    I’d be curious to find out the legal language regarding Performance enhancing drugs in Alex’s Contract. Would the Yankees exhaust every avenue to try and void Alex’s Monster Contract if they had the opertunity. As we’ve seen with steriod players their numbers decline dramitcally when they’re off the juice, and they seem to age a lot quicker without it. Last year was the first year Alex spent time on the DL in his career I believe. Is he headed for more stints in the upcoming seasons. Last year was a good year by any standard for him but was with worth 27.5 Million to the Yankees. Does the potential Media Circus in the upcoming weeks make Hal and Randy think about maybe taking a little of the edge off by offereing the ManRam a one year deal. One things for sure Pete This may be the Biggest Spring Training News Wise even with Arod missing a good portion with the DR National Team. And I thought the story on A-Rod was going to be how he wanted to quell the SWF fiasco by joining a Different WBC team than Jeter.

  115. bobbyi February 7th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    I was on the huffingtonpost.com,internet newspaper blog,and this story popped up.I’m sickened.

    Is manny still available,because AFRAUD,WILL BE A HEAD CASE THIS SEASON.

  116. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Well, “no comment” would have been better, I agree M. But its not like it doesn’t make any sense at all, I guess.

  117. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    “I was on the huffingtonpost.com,internet newspaper blog,and this story popped up.I’m sickened.”

    Of course it did. Birds of a feather (in this case vultures) flock together. :)

  118. m February 7th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Sorry, I misquoted.

    “You have to talk to the union. I’m not saying anything.”

    The second part’s very defensive to me.

    No comment’s better. Not much, but better.

    Truth be told. Alex is once again in a lose-lose situation.

  119. i am the walrus February 7th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    If Manny becomes a Yankee (God I hope never to see that day), then he would be named as using PEDs. Bank on it.

  120. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    Angel -

    I’m certainly not condoning here, but, still, why? What is this thing about getting baseball players on perjury charges?

  121. Ham Fighters February 7th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    our new president has been saying that he doesnt think congress is best using its time by investigating sports and they are revamping the justice department as we speak so i wouldnt be so sure they will go after anybody here. unless they have perjured themselves somewhere, i dont see this leadaing to an investigation.

  122. E-Man February 7th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    BUM!!
    Unbelievable. I am just ticked the freak off by this garbage. I was so happy to finally get rid of the roid statue at first base only to learn we got another moron at 3rd base… Not to mention, he’s also the one that was supposed to pass Bonds.

    With that said, I do have questions about this story.

    1. The Mitchell Report was supposed to be the be all/end all on this subject. Why wasn’t Alex named in it? Who else isn’t in that report? I question the integrity of this report now.. 2 years and none of these tests were included in it? Are you kidding me?

    2. Why now? And Why only Alex?

  123. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

    i am the walrus -

    You beat me to it! I was just going to write that! :lol:

  124. S.o.S. February 7th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    This absolutely sucks. My sonS idle is on steroids.

    I should have known something was up looking at those pictures of Arod training. He looks like he did his first few years in the majors. I was waiting for him to give his Giambi excuse and say that he just started eating healthier.

    -Arod on roids.
    -Pujols accused a little while back and I still think he was on it.
    -Manny looks much bigger now than he did first coming into the league.
    -Mo increased his fastball in the minors by 4 mph within weeks.
    -Phelps gets caught smoking a bong.

    The bottom line is that we have to tell our children that these players are not supposed to be role models. Parents are. They are just entertainment(i.e. WWE).

  125. Yankee Jay February 7th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Jeez, the drama just never stops with this guy. Too bad the stein’ brothers didn’t listen to Cashman and let him walk last year…now we’re stuck with him for another 9 years.

  126. S.o.S. February 7th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Does anyone know if he will get suspended?

  127. Matt February 7th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Why cant we all just rally around A-Rod and tell the rest of baseball to kiss off when we win it all? Why are all of you soooo concerned with how this looks the only thing that matters are the results. We as fans have morphed into the worst kinda fans we constantly go after our own guys but sit quietly as teams like the Sox trample us we need to go back to the old days of the 90s when we were real fans!!!

  128. pat February 7th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    SOS

    If it was only prior to 2004- no suspensions.

  129. bobbyi February 7th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    MATT:
    is Manny a cheat (JUICED)? To cover for the juiced one is to bury your head in the sand.Yankees didn’t build their dynasty on CHEATERS.Being a Yankee is no excuse to juice.

  130. Ham Fighters February 7th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    doreen, if they lie to congress or a grand jury, they deserve to be charged with perjury. you can argue whether that comittee or grand jury should be investigating whatever they are investigating, but when any person is called to testify and lies, they have committed perjury. the legitimacy of the forum does not absolve them of their responsibility to testify truthfully.

    again giambi comes out clean here. he testified truthfully to the grand jury that bonds is charged with lying to. he was smart enough not to lie. bonds and clemmens both knew that perjury could attach to anything they said and the lied anyway, they deserve to be prosecuted.

  131. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    Angel –
    I’m certainly not condoning here, but, still, why? What is this thing about getting baseball players on perjury charges?

    ***********************************************************

    Oh I know you’re not. I was just following along like you, and trying to think as to why they would, and that’s all I could really come up with. SJ will likely explain what he means though, so we won’t be wondering long. :)

    You’d really think they’d have better things to do with their time, given the economic times and the amount of people facing layoffs and tough times. I mean what are we talking about here.. a couple of 1000 at the most, baseball players over the years?

  132. m February 7th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    SoS,

    I don’t think so. Wasn’t baseball sitting on the results all these years? They were supposed to be anonymous?

    You know who will be hateful? Well, even more hateful? The media.

    They gave this guy his MVPs and will feel duped. Oh boy.

  133. Peter Abraham February 7th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    I realize this is an emotional issue. But some of you guys are way, way off base.

    1. Selena Roberts did not break the story about the Duke lacrosse case. She wrote opinion columns based on the reports of a lying accuser. She was not involved in investigating the case. Killing the messenger doesn’t make the message disappear. SI would not print this story unless they had it.

    2. Anybody who believes an athlete tries PEDs once is childishly naive. Andy Pettitte went from “I didn’t do it” to “I did it once” to “I think I did it twice” in a span of a month. Alex took an expensive, hard-to-detect anabolic steroid. Thats not the sort of thing you find at GNC. Players have enough money to purchase the best stuff. There are drugs (HGH, etc.) that remain undetectable. Nobody has more money in baseball than Alex.

    3. The Yankees would seem to have made a colossal mistake keeping this guy after the 2007 season. They had a chance to let him go and failed. From a pure baseball sense, Alex being a drug guy means his performance could slide sharply once he stops using.

    4. The Yankees are complicit in this. They gave him a $30 million clause to hit more home runs. You might as well beg him to take PEDs. That clause is insanely stupid. Why would you encourage a player to be selfish? The Steinbrenners were wrong to bring this guy back. They should have stuck by Cashman and let him walk.

    5. I totally agree that government leaks stink. I totally agree that baseball has problems with how it tests players. I personally believe that the feds are acting wrongly to pursue this and leak names. But they did and Alex got caught. How it happened is really incidental.

    This is a guy who claimed time after time after time that he was clean. His reputation was supposed to be that of a clean, hard-working family man. In the last year, it all has gone down the tubes.

    I hate it because I want to write about baseball. I like writing about baseball, not this crap.

  134. E-Man February 7th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

    “Does anyone know if he will get suspended?”

    Why would he? They (MLB) knew about it for the past 6 years. They just chose to cover it up like they’ve done with everything else connected to this.

  135. Ham Fighters February 7th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    and likely so do sosa, palmeiro and anybody else who lied.

  136. JoeyA February 7th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    1) Nothing from 90-’04 surprises me anymore

    2) If the Gene Orza aspect of the story is true, baseball has a MUCH MORE SERIOUS PROBLEM than A-Rod or any other player.

    3) Until we have full blood testing, we can be positive over nothing. Drugs will always be a step ahead of testing and that will never change.

    4) These guys are getting paid too much money to not try and gain an edge and as long as it’s a possibility to not be detected by current testing, they will do it.

    Forget what you think you know about these people. Any one of them will openly lie about themselves.

    It’s the game that we watch and love. You can’t blame any one aspect anymore, especially with this Gene Orza thing. Everyone is to blame.

  137. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    This issue needs to be settled immediately.

    Like most of us, I am as big of a Yankee fan as there is.

    I just have such a sour taste in my mouth thinking about rooting on this team that will have a cloud over it. They can’t win. If they do, they’ll have the steroid issue hanging over them.

    The full list needs to come out. It needs to be accepted that enough players did steroids that essentially they all did. Then and only then, can we start over fresh. As long as the media (and apparently the government) are allowed to single out individuals (and mostly Yankees), this will not be good.

  138. Sully February 7th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    As a Red Sox fan I should say for the record I think Manny, Ortiz, Millar, Varitek, Nomar, Trot and Mike Lowell all used ‘roids too.

    If I found out the people who produce for the shows that I want to produce for got ahead by using an illegal drug, I’d probably take it too.

    But a day like today is not a day for a Red Sox fan on a Yankee site.

    Talk to you when things get calm
    (Which I am guessing will be 2016)

  139. Matt February 7th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Bobbyi:

    I’m not saying to ignore it but to acknowledge it and move on. At the end of the Day the sooner we put this behind us and get behind him the better things will be for everyone.

    -What has happened to this country? Can you imagine what the media would do to Mantle or Ruth today? I can just Imagine the headlines.

  140. bobbyi February 7th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Angel your stupid.

  141. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    Ham Fighters -

    Yes, you’re right. But Alex has never been before a Grand Jury. Will they be calling him to testify in the Bonds hearing? So, I don’t understand the statement that Alex is in the government’s cross-hairs

  142. jennifer February 7th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    So um about Joe Torre’s book. I mean what a jerk!

    :lol:

    Oh if only that was the topic of conversation to begin st. Seriously never a dull st for the Yankees. I now want to see EVERY SINGLE name in that report. Why single out Alex? Every name. I want to see Jason Fairyteks name, David Ortiz, Manny Rameriz. Seriously why stop at Alex?

  143. m February 7th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    Matt,

    It’s more to do with Alex than the steroids.

    Alex said he never did PEDs. If the story is true, then he lied.

    And he’s not as “perfect” as he likes to portray.

  144. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    The bottom line is that we have to tell our children that these players are not supposed to be role models. Parents are. They are just entertainment(i.e. WWE).
    ***********************************************************

    I think that’s a really important distinction for parents to make. They’re not role models, they’re human and they ALL have their flaws. You can admire their talents, but they still all go to the bathroom, just like we do.

  145. pat February 7th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

    “Yankees didn’t build their dynasty on CHEATERS”

    Depends on how you define cheater. Scuffed balls, corked bats, pine tar, etc…. Cheating to some degree are part of the game and has been since the beginning of it.

  146. Bronx Jeers February 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Has Alex ever lied to a court or to Congress? Why would he be in danger of being charged with perjury?

    Alex needs to realize that nobody is going to be looking out for him and that he needs to do everything in his power to set the record straight.

    Even if the union wins their case in Cali, it doesn’t help Alex at all. The cat’s out of the bag in his case. Only way a favorable union ruling helps Alex is if he committed perjury which he didn’t. The only thing at stake in his case is his legacy unless they want to charge him with drug use which is probably not even possible.

  147. Billy J. February 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    By the way… Anybody else feel stupid for thinking Barry Bonds, Big Mac, Palmiero, and SS were the only ones a few years back. These guys belong in the Hall of Fame. Along with Roger, Pudge and other great Players in the Roid Era. You just can’t sperate the clean guys from the users. All MLB Players are so competitive to be where they are, and the money is soo Big, that I will never be suprised by any name that comes out. The only thing that would make feel different about not letting these guys in the HOF is if every current HOFer and future HOFer signed an afidavit stating that they never in any way took any shortcuts to be where they are. And If their was evidence to the contrary they would relinquish their HOF status.

  148. Michael February 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    BRETT FAVRE – WHITE T. O.

    A-ROD – LATINO T. O.

  149. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    Angel your stupid.

    **********************************************************

    This. Is. Priceless.

    Bobbyi, relax. I was just teasing you.

  150. Ham Fighters February 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pm

    “3. The Yankees would seem to have made a colossal mistake keeping this guy after the 2007 season.”

    …sadly, i belive i called that…

  151. SJ44 February 7th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Doreen,

    That leak was done for a purpose. My lawyer’s mind tells me they want info from him and fired a dot across his bow to get his attention.

    Wish murphydog was on to get his take on this.

  152. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Peter,

    That’s the real problem. I think we all know there are and were players using PED’s on every team.

    But those other guys aren’t signed to $275M contracts in guaranteed money.

    How the Yankees could have written this deal not to include any clauses re: PED’s is beyond me.

  153. Sully February 7th, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    If Jose Canseco told me black was white, night was day and Celine Dion was cool… I would believe him

  154. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    By the way… Anybody else feel stupid for thinking Barry Bonds, Big Mac, Palmiero, and SS were the only ones a few years back.

    *****************************************************

    I never thought they were the only ones. I’m not that naive, lol.

  155. Yankee Jay February 7th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Nice post Pete. Wake up people, A-Rod is the biggest name in the game, this story has nothing to do with him being a Yankee.

  156. E-Man February 7th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Every name has to be released in this report or this era will never die.

  157. Betsy February 7th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    M, I don’t believe anything Pete says about Alex. I tend to go by what SJ says – that he’s a diva and socially awkward, but still a good guy overall.

    That said, I am utterly depressed about this. I’m glad Alex is going to play in the WBC and the mediots can follow him around, allowing the Yankees to have some peace, but it’s all just temporary. Anytime Alex gets a big hit, there will be articles questioning the legitimacy – this will follow him every day for the rest of his career. It hurts the Yankees, big time. I personally refuse to read the papers now so that I don’t get upset and stressed out, but it still doesn’t change the fact that this hits home and hits home hard.

  158. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    “Even if the union wins their case in Cali, it doesn’t help Alex at all. The cat’s out of the bag in his case.”

    Very true. I’m sure Selena Roberts was counting on that.

    Does she have a chip on her shoulder about something, because she seems to. Or is she just the shrew she appears to be because that’s how she is?

  159. pat February 7th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Doreen

    His response is what potentially puts him in the crosshairs. Sort of a no win situation. No comment keeps him in good standings legally and with the union who is still trying to protect 103 other guys but not in public opinion.

    If he says he did it, the union has a lesser case to protect the other 103 and if he says he didn’t do it and that can be proven false, he opens himself up to legal situations.

  160. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    SJ44 -

    There are no accidents, I guess.

    And no free lunches.

    I simply hate that with such a widespread “scandal,” names get dropped like chinese water torture.

  161. bobbyi February 7th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

    Matt
    WHEN AN ATHLETE JUICESthey take a spot from someone who doesn’t have a manufactured record,That’s all I’m saying.

    I personally think Albert Pujlos of the Cardinals is a better PLAYER (compare his stats with Arod) and he’s a really nice guy. Sure wish he was a YANKEE.

  162. Lara08 February 7th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Pete, way too emotional. When you just don’t care who took steroids whether they are Yankees or not, baseball players or not like if easy breezy! :D

  163. m February 7th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    Betsy,

    I respect your right to your opinion, but I think I trust Pete more than Alex. Even though they’re both wishy-washy. (kidding, Pete)

    I don’t even care about Alex. I care about what he can or cannot do for the Yankees.

    Alex could go away tomorrow, and as long as we win 95 games and go deep into the playoffs, I’m fine with it.

    m

  164. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    SJ – Does this have the same ability to bring ARod into the government cross-hairs that the Mitchell Report did to Clemens. Does the fact that one was a report commissioned by MLB, and other is a report in a sports magazine have any bearing on what they can use to go after him? Like say the 60 Minutes interview also?

  165. Pel February 7th, 2009 at 2:10 pm

    http://www.harpercollins.com/b.....index.aspx

  166. Pauly February 7th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    I knew it was a bad idea to sign him after the WS opt out. Seriously, it never ends with this clown.

  167. Lara08 February 7th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

    thats supposed to be “Pete is right, way too emotional.” LOL

  168. Steve B February 7th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    “I now want to see EVERY SINGLE name in that report. Why single out Alex? Every name. I want to see Jason Fairyteks name, David Ortiz, Manny Rameriz. Seriously why stop at Alex?”

    Does it really make a difference for Rodriguez at this point? No matter who the other 103 are, he carries the label now.

    Reason I think it’s important for the other 103 to be named is that it will give Arod, who appears to be bound to a vow of silence by the union, the opportunity to offer his mea culpa and move on, much the way Giambi and Pettitte were able to do. So long as he does not go the road taken by Clemens, Bonds and McGwire, this will be a lot more bearable for him. He’s ternished now, but in many ways, everyone who played in the steroid era is tarnished. He and the other 103 should own up, apologize, and move on and MLB and the MLBPA should do the same.

  169. Ham Fighters February 7th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    this hurts, so will alot of the other names when they come out, and belive me, they will come out. you can bet that more yankees and several red sox will be on the list, all-star and HOF types from both leagues. the sooner the list becomes public, the better for alex now, that way he’ll just be the top name on a long list instead of being one of the two who are currently known.

    i think the lack of noise from the nation to the north is acknowlegement that they know thier turn is coming.

  170. Matt February 7th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    I have an idea! why don’t you all just stop routing for the Yankees then! All you ever do is complain and complain. If its not about alex it Cano, Jeter, or Girardi or anyone else. Yankee fans don’t support any of their own players no wonder writers think this is what we what to read about. Because thats what this is all about SELLING PAPERS! At the end of the day it the writers who are the real enemy! We are stupid for eating the crap they feed us. We don’t deserve the players we have or the success they earn. shame on us and shame on the writers!

  171. Nick in SF February 7th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    By the way, I don’t know if anyone mentioned it, but yesterday was Babe Ruth’s birthday (and Ronald Reagan’s).

    Happy belated birthday, Babe. We still love you.

  172. Tarheelyank February 7th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Pel
    what a coincidence.

  173. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

    Betsy,

    I don’t think ARod being in the WBC will lessen the craziness that will surround ST regarding this issue. There are still other people to question: Cashman, for instance, and teammates, as well. Not that they will give or have information, but that doesn’t mean no questions.

    Does anyone think Alex with “opt out” of the WBC?

  174. pat February 7th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Selena Roberts on with Costas on MLB Network now.

  175. m February 7th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Matt,

    Get a grip, man. We won’t stop rooting for the Yankees. It’s just a rude awakening, that’s all.

    I’d even wager that the fans will cheer Alex in the home opener…if he fesses up.

  176. Pel February 7th, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Selena Roberts is on MLB Network with Bob Costas

  177. bobbyi February 7th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Pete
    this is about one of our own PLEASE,let us vent man.Come game time,we still want Afraud to contribute,if he can.
    Hit them balls out of the park!!!!

  178. pat February 7th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    Angel

    No law is broken in lying to Katie Couric, SI or Pete.

  179. Billy J. February 7th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    People This List is real. We’ve known about it for a long time. This is not some reporter taking a shot at A-Rod. This is just a lasting result of a Bush Justice Department that had a wastseful, ridiculous, and vengefull agenda. Don’t blame this woman for doing her Job. If your mad that another wall of privacy was brought down between you and your Baseball heroes write a nasy letter to John Ashcroft. (I don’t think thats how you spell it) He’s responsible for the tactics the Legal system has taken to take down their enemies. No regard for the Constitution.

  180. Betsy February 7th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    We can just agree to disagree here, M – I don’t take Pete seriously when he posts about Alex. That’s neither here nor there, though. This is a rotten day for the Yankees….. Wake me up in a few months because the 2009 baseball season has gone down the toilet for me. There is no joy in Yankeeville. ST is now a great big “whatever” to me. Last night, I posted that I was more excited that I had been hin years. Boy, did I speak too soon.

  181. jennifer February 7th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Pete- How difficult was it to detect if it was found in a simple urine test?

  182. Chien-Ming Vase February 7th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    matt, im sorry did u get a name on that writer who was injecting arod?

  183. Old(grumpy, rude and mean)YanksFan February 7th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    The article says 1,189 players were tested.
    30 teans times 25 players = 750 players.
    Even counting the ENTIRE 40 MAN roster, thats 1,200 players.
    So does this mean they tested EVERY SINGLE Player in MLB?

    By the way, 104 / 1189 is about 8.5%.

  184. CENTRAL CT YANKEE February 7th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Imagine if he just said F*&^ it and retires…

  185. YankeesLuv February 7th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Any news on the other players that failed the test? I’ve heard some big names but haven’t seen a actual article.

  186. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    “this hurts, so will alot of the other names when they come out, and belive me, they will come out.”

    why would they come out? the people who leaked this did it to get Alex. They could have leaked more.

    “i think the lack of noise from the nation to the north is acknowlegement that they know thier turn is coming.”

    there may be a lack of noise on here but there is not a lack of noise. I have already heard from plenty of Sox fans. They are also posting in on their myspace and facebook pages “A-Fraud!! Yankees are cheaters” etc.

  187. Donnie Baseball 23 February 7th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    The Yankees should def sign Manny to try to absorb some of the media attention off this. Go trade Swisher to ATL and trade Nady if we can and sign Manny asap.

  188. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    “I simply hate that with such a widespread “scandal,” names get dropped like chinese water torture.”

    …and only “selected” names, at that. Some players do seem to get a free lunch. :)

  189. Steve B February 7th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    “SJ – Does this have the same ability to bring ARod into the government cross-hairs that the Mitchell Report did to Clemens.”

    Angel, Clemens in the government cross-hairs for perjury not the PED use. So is Bonds.

    If Arod is honest about this when he has the opportunity to address it, he should have no legal issues.

  190. Lara08 February 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

    Almost random vent:

    And most normal kids don’t go crazy over hearing this stuff. I’m tired of everyone with a kid talking about how upset, hurt and devastated their kid is.

    My kid says, “Did you know Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens did steroids? That’s wrong and its cheating.” The next sentence was asking to go get ice cream.

    Like the one senator said during the hearings, its not about the kids its the adults who are hurt.

    People need to stop using their kids as props to make the pain and tragedy more than it is.

  191. m February 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Betsy,

    Okay. But even if you don’t believe Pete, plenty of people who know him will say that he’s a strange cat.

    It is a bummer after the great winter. But cheer up. P&C report this week!

  192. Bronx Jeers February 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    Next we’re going to find out that The Babe and Lou Gehrig took a pre-FDA approved version of Geritol.

    Our all Yankee Mt. Rushmore is crumbling!

  193. Ed - American League, prepared to be scared! CC, Aj, and MT!! February 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    sorry, signing Manny will **not** ease attention. it just makes it worse. why? people will know if the Yanks signed Manny, they would be doing it on purpose.

  194. Betsy February 7th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Doreen, you’re right…….but the best thing for the Yankees to do is say no comment. Let the mediots write what they want to write and just try and concentrate on making their team better.

  195. Betsy February 7th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Doreen, you’re right…….but the best thing for the Yankees to do is say no comment. Let the mediots write what they want to write and just try and concentrate on making their team better.

  196. gayle February 7th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Having Bob Costas on the MLB Network truly is a great thing he is a great interviewer and asking all the right question with Selene. Selene knows her stuff as well so those that think she is not a good reporter really need to get a clue

  197. sevrox February 7th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Everybody was doing steroids then – in order to maintain the competitive edge – pro athletes will do just about anything to maintain the competitive edge. This news is just Alex Rodriguez being a New York Yankee in the most ridiculous obnoxious media center in the civilized world.

    Let the negativity take over.

    It’s human %$#@! nature.

  198. Donnie Baseball 23 February 7th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Bob Costas is so right. Why were these documents not destroyed and also ARODS right as a human were violated. These names were never suppose to come out. I think now somehow the other 100+ names have to come out.

  199. MaineYankee February 7th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

    Sully

    I respect you for your take on the RS players that probably used. I haven’t heard that from many RS fans. Especially here in Me.

  200. vince February 7th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    I’m through with Arod,nuff said!!

  201. AG February 7th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    A big LOL to the people who are in denial.

    I’m so glad I never liked this guy.

  202. Trevor February 7th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Pete’s right Cashman was willing to let him go. Then Hank who thinks he knows baseball, gave him that insane contract. This is why owners shouldn’t be making personnel decisions. Something bad always happens.

  203. Donnie Baseball 23 February 7th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    ED Im sorry your wrong. Who cares if people think we did it on purpose having Manny in a YANKEES uniform would be a huge story. It would not get avoided at all

  204. AG February 7th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    Oh, and I couldn’t care less that the documents and samples weren’t destroyed. Maybe he just shouldn’t have taken steroids.

  205. Old(grumpy, rude and mean)YanksFan February 7th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    In the wake of all this, I hate to break even more bad news…. but better to hear it from me, then some rabid Red Sox fan. Here it is.

    In 1992….

    Alex Rodriguez…

    GOT 2 SPEEDING TICKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    HE’S BEEN CHEATING HIS WHOLE ADULT LIFE!!!!!!!!!

    I don’t know if I can handle all this bad news. So many of my dreams have been broken. I am SO disallusioned.

    WHAT ARE WE GOING TO TELL THE CHILDREN?

    NEXT, SOMEBODY WILL TELL ME THERE IS NO SANTA CLAUS!!!!!!

  206. Wave Your Hat February 7th, 2009 at 2:24 pm

    I’m sure Hank, Hal and Cash are spitting nails today. Unusual for me, but I even sympathize with them a little.

    Right now I’m too down to think straight or comment about it.

  207. Betsy February 7th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    M, I’m a strange cat myself, lol. That’s fine with me if Alex is odd – I don’t have a problem with that. He has his quirks and his flaws just like all of us and the fact that the media doesn’t like him makes me defend him all the more.

    I wish I could be cheered at the thought of P&C, but right now, I can’t. I just want to put baseball behind me and find something else to obsess about. 2009 sucks and there’s still 11 more months to go…….

  208. Pauly February 7th, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Old(grumpy, rude and mean)YanksFan February 7th, 2009 at 2:17 pm

    The article says 1,189 players were tested.
    30 teans times 25 players = 750 players.
    Even counting the ENTIRE 40 MAN roster, thats 1,200 players.
    So does this mean they tested EVERY SINGLE Player in MLB?

    By the way, 104 / 1189 is about 8.5%.

    These players had notice that this survey was coming, so the 103 that tested positive may have been the only ones who were arrogant enough to get caught. That aside, don’t hold your breath waiting to get anymore names off that list, not with so many FA’s still out there. The Players Association is going to do everything in it’s power to make sure the rest of that list never sees the light of day.

  209. Chien-Ming Vase February 7th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    “Our all Yankee Mt. Rushmore is crumbling!”

    if arod is on your yankees mt rushmore, there must be about 45 heads there.

  210. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    “As a Red Sox fan I should say for the record I think Manny, Ortiz, Millar, Varitek, Nomar, Trot and Mike Lowell all used ‘roids too.”

    sully-

    you might want to add kapler, damon , and pedro.

    i have no idea who specifically used or didn’t, but there was likely a culture of ped use in that clubhouse.

    they still won fair and square in 2004 because they were doing nothing other teams weren’t also doing.

  211. m February 7th, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    “Maybe he just shouldn’t have taken steroids.”

    LOL. Hard to play the victim card. But I’m still upset that the others weren’t leaked. Why didn’t Costas ask Selena who the others were? She didn’t have a problem leaking Alex. Why not the rest?

  212. Jim February 7th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    More than anything, I’m just tired of all the steroid talk in baseball. Tell me what important player from the past decade didn’t do steroids? I believed that Alex was telling the truth on 60 Minutes, and I believed that Alex would save the integrity of baseball’s greatest record by unseating Bonds. Now, I’m just tired. I was looking forward to this season, for obvious reasons, but now all we are going to hear is how A-Rod is a cheater. This has the potential to tarnish the whole 2009 season, World Series victory or not. This is not Jason Giambi, this is Alex Rodriguez–the highest paid player in the history of the game, and until this morning, arguably the greatest player of all-time. But, look what steroids have done to the game. I hope that MLB and all the players who took steroids or looked the other way while teammates took steroids are ashamed of themselves. Did I mention how tired I am?

  213. JoeyA February 7th, 2009 at 2:27 pm

    WOW

    When asked about Gene Orza tipping him off, A-Rod had no response. He just turned away.

    (“How the @#%$ did she find that out!”) – A-Rod’s head

  214. JACK February 7th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Thank goodness Jeter severed his close ties with -juiced- Arod.

  215. GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    m
    February 7th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
    I’m not in the shoot the messenger camp as far as the media reporting it.

    But it’s wrong to leak 1/104th of a list. Was he the only big name? Or was it Alex and 103 fringe players? Somehow, I don’t think so. Print the damn list or keep your mouth shut.

    Alex’s response was weird (no surprise). Why not just say, “No comment”? “I gotta talk to the union”? Wha’?!

    ————————————————————

    In answer to your questin as to whether anybody can get down to that low a body fat percentage without using something…the answer is yes. Nobody tests more often and for more things than the military.

    At least once a month, we would take physical training tests once a month, which included height and weight measurements. We had a lot of guys who were over the weight limits for their age and height. At that time, their body fat was taped and measured and pinch tested, and, if there is a dispute, they were then weighed in a saline water tank.

    Keep in mind, the lower the body fat, the more susceptable you are to muscle injuries, cuts and extremely, almost transparent skin. Getting below 8-10 body fat is strongly discouraged. That’s one reason you almost never see somebody from the military in weight lifting or body building contest.

  216. i am the walrus February 7th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    Selena Roberts is on MLB TV. This is a hit piece. I am sorry Peter, but this woman is slime.

    If I were a player, I would never have a single thing to say to her.

    The first question I would ask is why is it only A-Rod named by her. The second would be is this more about selling your upcoming book.

  217. Steve B February 7th, 2009 at 2:29 pm

    “I just want to put baseball behind me and find something else to obsess about. 2009 sucks and there’s still 11 more months to go…….”

    Betsy:

    Did you feel this way when Pettitte was ID’d as a PED user? He basically defrauded the organization, signing a $16M contract knowing he was going to be named. Were you ready to give up on baseball and the Yankees then?

  218. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    “real yankee” corollary #37

    - real yankees don’t use steroids

  219. JACK February 7th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    WHO THE HECK CARES,about a redsox,at a time like this?

  220. JoeyA February 7th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

    This also discredits any big names testing negative. Orza, or someone working for him, could have easily been tipping off other players.

    This is TERRIBLE for baseball.

    Orza and Selig need to go IMMEDIATELY.

    This story should tell us one thing:

    We will never find out the truth about this era of the game. you don’t know who was on and who wasn’t.

    And until we have full blood and urine tests, this will not go away.

  221. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    “Selene knows her stuff as well so those that think she is not a good reporter really need to get a clue”

    I take offense at that, Gayle.

    I’m far from clueless. I’ve been reading the NY Times for years, and have read a lot of her stuff. My opinion of her is not based in being clueless about her. Its an opinion, thats all. Doesn’t make it a clueless one.

  222. Tucker February 7th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    I’m just amazed the Yankees could sign a contract with this guy without language about performance enhancing drugs. It is just incredibly naive on the part of Hank, Hal, Cashman, Randy Levine & Co. The team is on the hook for $275 million with a guy, who, we now know, has a history of juicing.

  223. Doreen February 7th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Lara08

    The point is, it makes a parent’s job just a little tougher. Maybe not all parents, maybe not all children.

    gayle -

    Agreed. This is a very compelling interview by Roberts and she doesn’t sound like a witch hunter here, whether she “likes” ARod or not.

  224. wth? February 7th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    wow no good! ortiz name coming out soon?

  225. YankeesLuv February 7th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    So why didn’t Jeter sever his ties with Clemens, Pettite, Giambi and Bonds? And whos to say Jeter didn’t try it either. Who knows today, anything is possible.

  226. Tom February 7th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    i am the walrus-

    What is she saying? (sorry I’m away from a T.V. right now). Thanks…

  227. SteveB February 7th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    ***Now, Alex, I hope you’re out there somewhere (or maybe one of ‘your people’ are reading this), because here is what you should do—–

    1) DON”T hide behind the MLBPA
    2) DON’T give ‘no comment’ answers to the press
    3) Your first day in spring training, call a press conference and tell everybody the following– “due to legal reasons, I cannot confirm nor deny these stories. If you are looking for something more definitive beyond that statement, you must go through the MLBPA. I can only state that I have obviously never been held accountable for violating MLB’s policies against performance-enhancing drugs, and I never will be, as I am currently not violating MLB’s policies, nor will I be violating those policies in the future. I am subject to the same testing as every other MLB ballplayer. Thank you.” And then SHUT UP.
    4) Make d@mn sure you stay ‘clean’ from now on, or else you deserve everything that happens to you afterward. That would ruin a perfectly good career. See : Bonds, Barry or Palmeiro, Rafael or McGwire, Mark.

    This will cut the legs out from under this story. It worked for Giambi, but it worked because he was off the drugs by that time. All us Yankee fans want to do is cheer Rodriguez when he comes up big during the games. But he cannot hide from this story, because although New Yorkers are a forgiving people, we won’t forgive him if he misleads us & appears guilty or if it’s obvious he’s just hiding in the loopholes of the story. We loved the beer guzzling womanizing Babe, the hard drinking Mick and harder drinking Billy, and we even have a soft spot for Reg-gie and David Wells, who both annoyed the ever-livin’ crap out of us. I have never been one of a-rod’s big supporters. I just happen to believe that this story is unfair to him.

  228. gayle February 7th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Here is what I have to say to all of those who are destroying Arod over this. Please I dont want to see any of you have any compasion or cheer for Andy Pettite when he is pitching for the team this year. The double standard that goes on with fans is truly amazing.

    DOnt give me there is a difference between HGH and steroids they were both illegal.

    This whole thing doesn’t bother me that much and the reason why is because I unfortunately have come to believe that many of baseballs players probably took some form of steroids or hgh durng the so called steroid era. I can not in my mind exclude anyone and in that case I will never be disappointed.

  229. Matt February 7th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    One Mistake doesn’t wash away his entire career! You guys who are giving up on him are a bunch of spineless fair weather fans he still is an elite producer and now is most likely clean thats all that matters!

  230. Peter Abraham February 7th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

    The Yankees did not find out about this until today. Yet Alex got the question in person on Thursday afternoon. How could he not tell them? How could he do that to them?

  231. Scared of the Wall February 7th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

    “I’m just amazed the Yankees could sign a contract with this guy without language about performance enhancing drugs. It is just incredibly naive on the part of Hank, Hal, Cashman, Randy Levine & Co. The team is on the hook for $275 million with a guy, who, we now know, has a history of juicing.”

    I don’t think the CBA permits such language in their contracts, the players would never agree to that.

  232. m February 7th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    There is no way that Alex would sign anything with a PED clause. He knew of the positive test. How does that call go? “Uh, hey, Alex. Uh, sorry, but that test came back postitive. But don’t worry, it’ll never come out.”

  233. Nick in SF February 7th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    What did Madonna know and when did she know it?

  234. SteveB February 7th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    And another thing—

    I think it is a DISGRACE that ALL the names have not been released!!!

    You mean to tell me that out of 104 names on a list, Selena Roberts and David Epstein of Sports Illustrated are satisfied with their reporting of this story by singling out one NY Yankee? I am sick and tired of every two-bit reporter and reporter wanna-be of every rag out there pulling out a little bit of news out of a bigger picture and trashing a member of the NY Yankees. This is shoddy reporting.

    Canseco is a sleezeball, but he’s a known sleezeball. It’s the college graduate newspeople and their superiors who really ought to know better.

  235. MR YANKEES OFFSEASON MISSION COMPLETE February 7th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    this is a proble my expectation are

    before steriods scandel: AVG 310 HRS 49 RBI 140

    AFTER: ABG 280 HRS 33 RBIS 110 ERRORS 30 FENWAY CHANTING CHEATER AND HAVING NEEDLE TOYS EVEY TIME HE BATS

  236. Lara08 February 7th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Doreen, life makes its harder for parents and kids. Its life. Adults take this crap more seriously than most well-adjusted kids. If a kid is disappointed that legit, but it wont scar them.

    Well Pete, they don’t seem to like Alex anyway LOL, so I guess he didn’t feel the need to tell them.

  237. Chien-Ming Vase February 7th, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    ozra tipping players about tests kinda blows up sj’s theory about the how the union could never trust mlb in a new drug testing agreement doesnt it?

  238. m February 7th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    And I bet those kinds of clauses aren’t even allowed by the union or whomever.

  239. Bob(The Original) February 7th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    The more I think about this, the more disgusted I get with how ugly this is going to be.

    It’s gonna be the Giambi mess times 100.

  240. Tom February 7th, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    Ah, so Alex knew in advance that this was comming. Yet, he didn’t say anything?

  241. G. Love February 7th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    If Mo’s name ever comes out in one of these I might have to retire from being a baseball fan.

    This is really upsetting. I don’t think for a second that this is a mistake and Alex is not guilty.

    I’m with Pete 100% that SI would never run this.

    The only thing that can save Alex at this point is Selig coming out and saying that it’s not true and that he’s gone through the records and Alex has never once tested positive for any substance and that this is massive mistake and the press owes him an apology.

    Short of that he cheated, got caught and now we’re stuck with him 9 more seasons watching him decompose as he realizes he’s not the best player in the game anymore in the public’s eyes and he’s not a hall of fame lock and his breaking Bonds’ records will be met with sarcasm and snide remarks.

    If Hank Aaron never took a PED in his life, then the record is his and should always be his until the juicers are totally out of the game.

    I have gone to bat for Arod more than most in here. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and felt that a lot of you were truly cruel to the guy because he wasn’t Jeter and Jeter was cold shouldering him…at this point…it’s hard to get excited for a season with this guy on my team playing 3b and hitting clean up.

    If he has a great season and we win a WS it’s tainted.

    You can all tell me it’s not, but it is.

    I’m not being all Pollyanna saying that I thought players didn’t use…but Arod has been so vocal about being the “clean” player and he’s anything but that now.

    That A-Fraud nickname is going to stick.

    If I’m feeling this way right now, I don’t think Yankee fans are going to be all that forgiving once the games start.

    It’s a shame.

  242. m February 7th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    Nick,

    Have you seen Madonna’s arms? She was taking his stash and giving Alex a placebo.

  243. Chien-Ming Vase February 7th, 2009 at 2:37 pm

    why does everybody assume she has any other names from the list?

  244. Tom February 7th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

    I wonder if Alex’s supplier was his stripper friend?

  245. RSM February 7th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    I may be alone here, but this mess may actually finally endear me to Arod. Why? Because it is ridiculous that out of 103 names, only his is leaked, and it’s 6 years later. I feel his insecurities and poor social skills bring much of the negative attention heaped on him generally, but the constant witch hunt is getting out of hand. The guy just can’t catch a break. So many clichés work here, but the one I’m most reminded of is, “It’s lonely at the top”.

    Do any of you guys actually buy into this steroid crap anyway? Let me lesson you. I played in high school and a little in college, for a no-name school, and plenty of guys were juiced. Here’s the best part, that was in the EIGHTIES!!! Now knowing that, do you really think guys playing professionally, with millions of dollars at stake, at a time when nobody checked or cared, weren’t juiced? And do you really believe that coaches and owners didn’t know? Frankly, if they didn’t they were foolish. Take your heads out of the sand. Just assume that everyone juiced (batters AND pitchers) from the late eighties until about 5 years ago, and let’s move on already. This story is stale.

    Rant over.

  246. GreenBeret7 February 7th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

    My mistake, Mel…. my mistake. that was the wrong comment to that specific post. It was to another one made about Rodriguez’ body fat %.

  247. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    gayle –
    Agreed. This is a very compelling interview by Roberts and she doesn’t sound like a witch hunter here, whether she “likes” ARod or not.
    *******************************************************

    Its really not her interview skills today that have given her the tag of being on a witch hunt though, its her stories over the years – most notably the Duke lacrosse players that did that.

    She’s been gone from the NY Times for a while. I’d forgotten her (purposely?) but she certainly came across as somewhat vindictive and with some kind of chip on her shoulder in those particular writings. It was quite the vendetta.

  248. Chien-Ming Vase February 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    which will be the headline on opening day, the brand-new ballpark or the fans booing arod?

  249. canofan42 February 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    An article I’d like to share with everyone. It’s a MUST-READ. It’s from August, but I think it definitely applies here:

    http://www.rd.com/your-america.....787-1.html

  250. Steve B February 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    SteveB:

    What if someone ask Arod what the legal reasons are that preclude him from speaking on this further? He is not subject to any sort of prosecution in this matter, either in the courts or in baseball. Unless there are actual legal reasons, he’s violating your 1st tenant about hiding behind the MLBPA.

  251. Bronx Jeers February 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    I can’t wait till the Yanks hand over that first $6 million check when Alex passes Mays on the All time HR list.

    If he even gets there!

  252. pat February 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    G Love

    Problem with Selig doing that is he would have to do it for each new name given to him and commenting on some and not commenting on others is more telling.

  253. Bret the Hitman February 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Re: HOF?

    HOF? NO.

    Best of all time? NO.

    Victim? NO.

    True Yankee? NO.

    Winner? NO.

  254. Bob(The Original) February 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    G. Love, one thing you have to keep in mind is that steroid use was rampant at this time. Yes it stinks, but it is an important fact.

    A-Rod was not the only one cheating. Almost all of them were.

    It’s important to keep things relative here.

    It’s the steroids era. It is what it is.

  255. m February 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    Chien-Ming Vase,

    Great name. She had to have seen the list, right?

  256. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    “If he has a great season and we win a WS it’s tainted.

    You can all tell me it’s not, but it is.”

    So then every WS the Yankees have won since 1996 is tainted? I just want to be sure we’re applying this “tainted WS” thing accurately and across the board.

  257. Bret the Hitman February 7th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    Re: HR record?

    ASTERISK

  258. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 2:42 pm

    “You mean to tell me that out of 104 names on a list, Selena Roberts and David Epstein of Sports Illustrated are satisfied with their reporting of this story by singling out one NY Yankee?”

    I am guessing the government only leaked ARods name. I’ve hated our government for a while and this just adds to that.

    Still, Alex apparently cheated and deserves blame. It’s just a shame that he alone will take that blame today instead of as a collective MLB whole.

  259. JACK February 7th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    On http://www.thespread.com,it has the -betting- odds on all the baseball teams,the Yankees have the best odds of winning the World Series,over any other team. Someone wanted to rain on the Yankees parade,they are at 5 to 2 odds!!!

    Uhm,I wonder why this was -delibrately- leaked now?

  260. Matt February 7th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Bret the Hitman a loser: YES

    No Back Bone: Yes

    A Koolaid Drinker: Yes

    a True Yankee Fan: NO!

  261. SteveB February 7th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    I’m not sure, but I thought I heard on the news that Cynthia Rodriguez was admitted to a hospital for a busted gut due to hard laughing.

  262. Tarheelyank February 7th, 2009 at 2:43 pm

    Bud Selig Testomy before the House Jan 15,2008

    “As a result of all of this, our positive tests have declined significantly from 96 in the 2003 survey test to just two steroid positives in 2006 and three in 2007.”

    Well somebody is wrong about the amount of positive tests. Bud says 96 before the house Selena says 104.

    http://oversight.house.gov/doc.....114736.pdf

  263. m February 7th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

    So, the 4 sources who confirmed Alex being on the list, should be able to confirm the other 103, right?

  264. Bill Porter February 7th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    Sorry but Salena R was a hack at the Times and is still a hack. No doubt this is a legit story and it should be reported but the messenger is a twist. She had a clear Yankees agenda when she worked at the Times appearing to jones for her Woodward & Bernstein moment. Well I guess she found it. Good for you Selena, now do your little tour and then please surprise everyone and have the simple decency to just go away when your 15 minutes are over.

    The only player that I’ll even feign any shock or surprise over, if it’s revealed he used roids, would be the Captain. Short of that: “meh, this is old news.” The fish wrap sellers will no doubt all polish their woodies over this and attempt to justify their fading existences by writing about it ad-nauseum. So go have your fun boys I got better things to worry about.

  265. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    gayle does bring up a big point. Andy Pettite.

    I don’t remember the media mentioning HGH during the Pettite contract process this offseason.

    Andy fessed up. Giambi fessed up. People got over it.

    I’d prefer Alex fess up. Tell us he used in 2003-2003, maybe 2004. He realized he’d been caught and stopped. He says he has been tested routinely since and passed every test. He made a big mistake and has learned from it.

    I can hope….

  266. rover February 7th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Seems this unheard of (by me)reporter writes a story. She seemed to have gotten the info from (unamed sources)that to me is troubling in and of itself, don’t give a rats patooty how many there were. The story is about less than 1% of government protected group of alleged cheaters. So happens it is about some guy many think will end up being the best ever in the game. The story essentially destroys his credibiity and career. The guy is/was so intriguing before this story said reporter was/is preparing a book on said player.
    Lets see
    Big name = less than 1% of secret government list.
    Lying cheating at least cheating involved.
    4 deep throats. I didn’t like the first deep throat unless were taliking bout the movie?
    big book due. No pressure there right?
    I have to say said reporter has absolutely no need or reason write the story none whatsoever. Heck who needs advanced publicity.

    Joe Torre, Like him, love him, hate him, he didn’t need unamed sources.
    Said reporter should be locked up. In the same cell with the 4 deepthroats. It is just wrong to do what she has done. Whatever Arods involvement would have come out, rightly or wrongly, at least there would 100 or so trying to cover their tails. This is a blatant attack to destroy a man and damage an organization. Shame on the gov. for ever starting this mess. Yet we allow the gov to try and run a country, cripe they can’t even run a hearing. Sad bunch of alleged public servants. Even sadder reporter, she’s on the jucice too. Greedaroids are prevalent in todays society.

  267. Hobbie February 7th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Now that A Roid has been outted, I am waiting to hear about the Red Sox names on that list. A chubby DH comes to mind.

    I hope Jeter is clean.

  268. Chien-Ming Vase February 7th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    m, no she only had to have sources (si claims 4) who know that his name is on the list.

  269. Rob NY -- 2009 The Road to Redemption February 7th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    I for one propose Bud Selig steps down from his post. Not before naming his successor however. In his place as commissioner of baseball, none other than George W. Bush.

  270. Bret the Hitman February 7th, 2009 at 2:46 pm

    Re: Matt

    Tear down those posters kid.

    Arod was never and will never be a true Yankee.

    And that is history.

  271. m February 7th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Alex could use the protein shakes he drank in the Dominican. That’s been used already?

  272. SteveB February 7th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Steve B February 7th, 2009 at 2:40 pm

    SteveB:
    What if someone ask Arod what the legal reasons are that preclude him from speaking on this further? He is not subject to any sort of prosecution in this matter, either in the courts or in baseball. Unless there are actual legal reasons, he’s violating your 1st tenant about hiding behind the MLBPA.

    ——————————–
    Very simple– if your attorneys are advising you NOT to speak on a legal matter, you follow their advice. My point is that he should do what Giambi did, be a ‘stand up guy’ & say what he is able to say, plus make sure he’s clean from now on. Even if you say “I’m sorry, but I can’t tell you why”, as Giambi did, it goes over better than looking like you’re hiding.

  273. Bret the Hitman February 7th, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Re: Arod innocent?

    When questioned, he could easily just say, “No I didn’t do it”

    But for some reason he didn’t say that.

    Such a simple phrase to utter and would make life much easier for him, no?

  274. canofan42 February 7th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Anyone see this?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....tml?page=1

    Sports Illustrated later identified the dealer as a Miami-area trainer named Joseph Dion. In an interview with SI, Dion denied providing steroids to the Yankee third baseman and said Rodriguez never approved of performance-enhancing drugs. “I’m against it 100%. And A-Rod, at the time that I trained him – and this I swear to God – was 100% against steroids,” Dion said. “He was one of the hardest-working guys, and most natural guy, that I’ve met in my life. He hated steroids. We talked about it.”

  275. Mrs. Kekich February 7th, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Bonds obviously cheated – everyone boos except Giants fans. Yankee fans will cheer A-Rod. Instead of being disgusted at A-Rod, Yankee fans say, Wah! Release some Red Sox names! Who cares if everyone else was doing it? Clemens and A-Rod – two alleged legends in Yankee uniforms – are embarrassments. That is the bottom line.

    If Ortiz is outed that will make you feel better about tarnished Yankees? Not me. I dont give a crap about Boston or any other team.

    Pettitte, Mike Stanton, Knoblauch – key memebers of title teams – were on it. And anyone who believes Pettitte did it just the two times is a naive moron. He was “training” with McNamee for a long time.

    Why would you feel better if Pujols or anyone else is outed? For me, nothing can top the disappointment of these Yankee guys to me.

  276. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

    When questioned, he could easily just say, “No I didn’t do it”

    But for some reason he didn’t say that.

    Such a simple phrase to utter and would make life much easier for him, no?

    ************************************************************

    With a lawsuit pending over this very issue?

    I’m glad I’m not that naive.

  277. Chien-Ming Vase February 7th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    it is possible that she only knows the one name (somebody else outted bonds) or that she has them all and her editors have decided to milk it and release them bit by bit.

    i dont think any of that matters, eventually all those names are going to come out. and the sooner the better for alex. if you had the list and thought nobody else did, you might release alex’s name today, then maybe the next 2 or 3 a day later, etc. why does it matter? we know alex is one of 104 who failed the tests. we very likely will know the others before the first ST game. it doesnt make much difference imo.

    being mad at the reperter is ridiculous.

  278. Matt February 7th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    So what about Knoblauch and Brosius did they “taint” our other WS this is sooo pathetic. Why cant we as a a fan base stand up and tell sniveling writers like that troll Pete that we are sick and tired of these stupid hit pieces they feel they need to put out to sell there papers!

  279. G. Love February 7th, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    Angel,

    I do think it would be tainted THIS SEASON because this story will follow Arod all year and if he makes it into the post season the national press and the morons on Fox and ESPN will make it a point to talk about the fact that he’s a juicer no matter what he does.

    Say Arod goes Reggie and hits 3 HR’s to win a game in the post season. You don’t think the spin on it is going to be that maybe he’s still cheating?

    They don’t even test for HGH let alone whatever new designer drugs are out there.

    None of us know for one second if the game is clean even now.

    The only guys who get caught with HGH are guys who get caught with it being shipped to them or their supplier gets caught and names them.

    I’m sure there are plenty of baseball players taking HGH who have more brains than some of these guys and know how to work it to get it anonymously.

    Listen, I would be happy if we won the WS this season, but this Arod stink ain’t going to go away and it’s going to be a rallying cry in the media about the big bad drugged up Yankees.

    It’s going to get worse and if Alex legally can’t come out and try to deal with this and make a true statement, it’s only going to fester more and more.

    I know everyone was using. I just guess I bought into the whole “Arod isn’t using” sales pitch we’ve been sold over the years.

    He was held above the game and the other players and now we find out he’s sticking needles into him just like all the other jerks.

    This will cast a pall on the season. It won’t go away with the next controversy. People hate the Yankees and Arod so much that they won’t let this one die.

    What taints a championship for fans like us is when the press and the general public take a dump on the victory.

    It’s one thing when they accuse us of being big spenders.

    It’s a different story when our best player aka the best player is baseball is now found out to be a cheat.

    I’m a little sickened by this and it’s sad because I bought it. I bought the whole “clean Alex” story.

    I can’t believe I fell for this crap again.

  280. Mrs. Kekich February 7th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    “So then every WS the Yankees have won since 1996 is tainted? I just want to be sure we’re applying this “tainted WS” thing accurately and across the board.”

    at least 98-99-2000 are. Grimsley, Stanton, Knoblacuh, Clemens, Dave Justice to name just a few.

  281. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    Argh, what am I doing? Responding to someone who used the phrase “true Yankee”. That should have been warning to run a mile.

    Bad self, **smack**

  282. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    “This is TERRIBLE for baseball.”

    joey a-

    i agree.

    i have a possible solution though . just like the bad bank concept to put all the bad assets in to help solve the financial crisis, baseball needs to take all the tarnished players and put them in one division- the bad team division.

    that way bad contracts come off the books of the good teams.

    i’m kidding folks.

    but this is not good for the game. they powers to be need to do something better than what they’ve been doing.

    as an aside , i don’t know why verducci is smiling so much. his book is no longer the topic of the day. that’s gotta hurt book sales.

  283. Betsy February 7th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

    The sad thing is that baseball fans around the country won’t care or even understand that this is a terrible blow for baseball – it’s a sad day. All those fans will care about is that it hurts A-Rod and the Yankees – they will all be happy today.

  284. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    “So then every WS the Yankees have won since 1996 is tainted? I just want to be sure we’re applying this “tainted WS” thing accurately and across the board.”

    at least 98-99-2000 are. Grimsley, Stanton, Knoblacuh, Clemens, Dave Justice to name just a few.

    Aren’t we counting Pettitte too, He’s been on there longer than that, hasn’t he? It has to be all of them. What about the 70s? Those players could have been on stuff too for all we know.

  285. uncle Ellsworth February 7th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

    Here’s a conspiracy theory:
    This was done to weaken the Players Association

  286. Matt February 7th, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Mrs. Kekich why dont you get back on your broom and head to boston they deserve fans like you!

  287. pat February 7th, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    MLB has there hands tied on collective bargaining until 2011. If the tipping is true, it could give MLB a chance to void the collective bargaining agreement which could impact the season.

    This gives MLB huge leverage over the union on all things not just drug testing.

  288. YankeeJosh February 7th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    I’m not surprised about A-Rod, as I always figured he was a roid user. However, it is disturbing that anonymous tests were named by anonymous sources and that only A-Rod’s name came out of the 103 failed tests.

    That said, the thing about Orza leaking test dates is a much much bigger story that is being missed. That directly impacts the integrity of the game and if proven he should be banned from any association with baseball.

    Hypothetical here:
    Orza warns A-Rod about a drug test in 2004. A-Rod thus cycles off the drugs and helps the Yankees win the division title. If he had failed a test maybe he gets suspended and the Sox win the division. I know Boston wound up winning that year anyway but the point is tipping off selected players impacts the integrity of the game and is a huge issue.

  289. Betsy February 7th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    You can’t take any team’s WS titles away from them. Even if 1/2 the Sox players on the 2004 team used steroids, they are on the book as the champs – the same way the 1919 Cincinnati Reds are listed as the champs (when everyone knows that they only won because the Black Sox threw the series)

  290. m February 7th, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    CMV,

    I’m not mad at the reporter. I just think that leaking one name is not fair. (Bob Costas agrees?). If the purpose is to inform and enlight, then do that. Otherwise it’s sensationalism and they shouldn’t hide behind the “we’re trying to clean up the game” veil.

    In fact, I’ve railed against the San Francisco writers that profited (Fainaru-Wada is on espnews as a correspondent as I’m typing this) from leaked grand-jury info.

    Sad, sad, sad. We thought the Mitchell Report cleaned up the big mess. At least that’s what MLB was telling us 2 weeks ago. Ugh. Go away, steroids.

    I really want the game cleaned up, so that we can have no doubts.

  291. Boston Dave February 7th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    “If Ortiz is outed that will make you feel better about tarnished Yankees? Not me. I dont give a crap about Boston or any other team.”

    Mrs Kekich,

    I am not sure I’d feel better but because Bonds and A-Rod are such polarizing players… it’s easy to single them out and not see that the issue involved all of MLB.

    If players like Ortiz or Pujols came out (if they used of course), it would IMO be more of a universal indictment.

    Most fans hate the Yankees. Catching Clemens or ARod just feeds their hate. It’s the fact that so many other players used and we’re still singling guys out.

    Until this is recognized, I can’t see MLB moving forward and beyond this. The Mitchell Report obviously didn’t do much of anything aside from ruin Clemens’ career.

  292. WilG February 7th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

    Thanks Mr. Selig.

    Once again baseball continues its inept & two-faced relationship to steroids.

    The players that are hoisted up to save the game with amazing HR accomplishments (Sosa/McGwire after the strike or ARod to ‘save’ baseball from Bonds’ HR record) are than attacked when it is ‘surprising’ that the used some form performance enhancement drugs.

    Baseball knew it had a steroid problem, but the inability to resolve this issue in the past continues to deprive fans of enjoyment for current seasons.

    Selig defended the Mitchell Report as the way to learn what happened and turn the page to today’s game. This ‘solution’ didn’t do this at all. What we saw last year and again today was that it gave baseball a chance to inflict more damage on itself. Unlike the NFL where steroid users can win awards in the same year that they test positive, Selig seems to be willing to let the game be overwhelmed by the media circus of each new story.

    Baseball’s solution did help journalists, who ignored steroids for a decade, become the new conscience of baseball and vote to keep players with steroid connections out of the Hall of Fame. Selig’s incompetence of having a chair who had ties to the Red Sox only helped to create the perception of a conflict of interest, even when Sen. Mitchell is a person of tremendous character and integrity. Why do people sound surprised when those same conspiracies come out on a day like today?

    So after the Mitchell Report dies down, even as the Bonds trial moved forward, now we have a new way to turn attention away from the game itself.

    Good thing MLB set up the 24 hour baseball network to make sure this gets enough coverage. Once Selig has ensured that even without 24 hour ESPN coverage, this new network is running full-time coverage of this to help ruin another season for fans.

    When learning how this information was turned over to federal authorities, should we be surprised that the player’s union fought these tests? If the player’s union doesn’t agree to these ‘anonymous’ tests nothing comes up today. What is fascinating is that baseball’s genius is on display for how these random tests weren’t destroyed. Once again – well played MLB.

    As a Yankees fan this is obviously a really tough day. We were getting so close to such a exciting spring training and new season.
    Instead we have another endless media cycle to accomplish what? Tearing down another baseball legend? Is there a reason to believe any player who says they didn’t?

    The story has let journalists (check out the Post today) restate their opposition to ARod’s new contract. Great. What does that accomplish? Why not start figuring out the justifications for the votes to keep him out of the HOF when he hits 300-400 home runs after baseball installed its testing system?

    If I can can summarize today’s news, anonymous tests from 5 years ago are now important to help make sure we don’t like today’s players or today’s game. Mission Accomplished.

    Can’t wait to read and hear more about this. Thanks Bud. Well-done. Hope that $18 million check spends well. Your judgment here is as good as the day it was when you canceled the World Series.

  293. Bronx Jeers February 7th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    “Bonds obviously cheated – everyone boos except Giants fans. Yankee fans will cheer A-Rod.”

    Arod has been booed unmercifully at The Stadium prior to this. They don’t make earplugs big enough to drown out the boos he’s going to hear now.

    He was hated before this. I can’t imagine how he’s going to handle this. I sort of feel bad for the guy but he made his bed.

    Pride,Power,Pinstripes?

    HAH!

  294. randy l February 7th, 2009 at 3:04 pm

    “I am guessing the government only leaked ARods name. I’ve hated our government for a while and this just adds to that.
    Still, Alex apparently cheated and deserves blame. It’s just a shame that he alone will take that blame today instead of as a collective MLB whole.”

    boston dave-
    i’m with you on this one. i would be very surprised if the balco federal investigators knew the names on those lists that mitchell didn’t know them too.

    the fact it seems like it’s always yankees that are being taken down makes this reease suspicious .
    there does seem selective outing going on.
    what the motivation is , i have no idea.
    as i said, as a baseball fan, this is not good for the game.

  295. Chien-Ming Vase February 7th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    wil g, so it was selig who shot up arod?

  296. PAT M. February 7th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    Something Pete had mentioned earlier that Cashamn didn’t want # 13 back after the 07 season….Has strongly was Casgamn against his return ??? As for the next week or so, A-Rod takes the brunt of this and will have to suck it up..And when the time comes he’ll need to carefully admit to what degree he juiced…..No more Boys Club commercials…I thought part of that early test agreement was that the results were to be destroyed and no names to be released at the MLB level…..It’s a mess, and to think I thought we had the best off season since 2000….

  297. JACK February 7th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    http://www.thespread.com/ correction

  298. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    “I do think it would be tainted THIS SEASON because this story will follow Arod all year and if he makes it into the post season the national press and the morons on Fox and ESPN will make it a point to talk about the fact that he’s a juicer no matter what he does.”

    Thanks for the response. I agree, that’s exactly what will happen. But its just not applying the same standard consistently which is something they are very good at, so why be concerned about what the morons at Fox/ESPN etc say? Because if you’re going to apply the “tarnished WS” sentiment accurately, then EVERY single World Series for the entire “steroid era” is tainted. That’s my problem with that. Steroid use was widespread and rampant, surely every single team that won a WS had a few juicers on them, thus making them tainted, right?

    Besides, after this off season, even if this story hadn’t come out – if the Yankees win the 2009 World Series they would won it because they bought it. :) There’s no pleasing some people.

    “Listen, I would be happy if we won the WS this season, but this Arod stink ain’t going to go away and it’s going to be a rallying cry in the media about the big bad drugged up Yankees.”

    Yes, you’re right, but honestly I really think like I said above, if they win in 2009 and this hadn’t come out, they’d be crying that the Yankees bought themselves another World Series – ala Texeira, CC and AJ. You can’t win for losing with some of these people. Its always something. I really don’t know that slurs of “buying a WS” are any better than “cheating to get a WS” – they’re both pretty hateful.

    “I know everyone was using. I just guess I bought into the whole “Arod isn’t using” sales pitch we’ve been sold over the years.”

    I did too, so I get your feelings totally. I felt like I’d been punched in the gut when I read it. I’m still going to wait to hear the whole story, but I really don’t think they’d publish it, if they didn’t have a leg to stand on – and that is really sad for baseball.

  299. Ham Fighters February 7th, 2009 at 3:09 pm

    i say congratulations to selena roberts and si.com. since i heard that the list exsisted, i wanted to know who was on it. i knew someone would come up with the list or at least the first few names and i was thinking about what a prize the list would be for any journalist. i thought the chronicle guys would come up with it but roberts did. i forgot she had gone back to reporting. she apparently hasnt gotten the list but she did get the (2nd?) biggest name on the list.
    i didnt like her as a columnist but she got the big fish on this one so congrats to her.

  300. JACK February 7th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    PAT M
    I thought that was because he opted out of his contract,when told not to.

  301. Matt February 7th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Hey guys I heard that Pilot from the miracle on the Hudson used PED back in 2003 too man what a horrible guy! haha you guys who are turning your back on A-Rod are pathetic so what he cheated he did it to try to make himself better to try to win. Hell Mickey mantle said if steroids were around in his era he’d have taken them too

  302. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    “i say congratulations to selena roberts and si.com. since i heard that the list exsisted, i wanted to know who was on it. i knew someone would come up with the list or at least the first few names and i was thinking about what a prize the list would be for any journalist. i thought the chronicle guys would come up with it but roberts did. i forgot she had gone back to reporting. she apparently hasnt gotten the list but she did get the (2nd?) biggest name on the list.
    i didnt like her as a columnist but she got the big fish on this one so congrats to her.”

    ***********************************************************

    Huh???

    ~blinks~

  303. Angel - A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing February 7th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    He was also not happy about losing the guaranteed money from Texas for the final year of that contract, Jack. That’s why they didn’t want him to opt out in the first place.

  304. WilG February 7th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

    CMV – My point was not to deny that players used or deserve blame.

    My point was that Selig’s refusal to handle the massive use of steroids in the game continues to do more than damage to the sport than the actual use of steroids did.

    What was the purpose of the Mitchell report if every spring we will get another wave of stories about 5 year old tests? It would be surprising if there were bigger names in remaining 102 players on that list, but when those stories come out it won’t be good for baseball.

    I love baseball, but I can’t stand the people who run the game.

  305. BBFan February 7th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    “If he has a great season and we win a WS it’s tainted.”

    How so, unless he flunks a drug test in 2009.

  306. Kevin (not that Kevin) Brown February 7th, 2009 at 3:21 pm

    Pete:

    When you’re back could you maybe writer about why – apparently – teams are NOT allowed to include as a matter of course – not to mention good sense – language in player contracts that would void the contract if they are caught using PEDs. Especially in this era of testing and established penalties agreed upon by both sides (including suspension without pay), why are their no penalties as far as the contracts are concerned? Is this because the MLBPA has not agreed to it?

    It seems perfectly logical for an employer to be able to ask of a prospective employee that they not break the law, and if they do, their contract will be voided. If the prospective employee won’t agree to that, especially in exchange for tens of millions of dollars, then the team should just say, “Thanks, but no thanks.”

    P.S.: Not necessarily talking about A-Rod here, but the SI article indicated that he had no such clause in his contract.

  307. We Miss Paulie February 7th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    How could just one player be singled out in this when there are 139 others? This list should have been kept confidential since that was the original plan, it just kills baseball, and once again, just before Spring Training.

    I honestly think the MLBPA needs to step in and protect not only Alex, but the rest of the players. This evidence was supposed to be kept confidential and it wasn’t. It shou;d be “inadmissable” then.

    They should just admit that steroids was prevalent during this time, many players were on it, but clean now, and move on. Protect baseball.

  308. Kevin February 7th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    I am not mad at this reporter.
    I am not mad at Arod.
    I care not about the past, especially any year since 2000.
    I look forward to an awesome 2009.
    That is all.

  309. BBFan February 7th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Pete,

    As much as I like what you write, I think the two posts you wrote here kind of reflect your hatred for A-Rod, which is well documented here.

    I am not condoning the use of steroids, if it is true.
    But the assertions you are making, kind of refelctive of your hatred for A-Rod.

    Regarding your assertion that he did not tell Yankees:

    1. What is that he has to tell? He did not do what Andy did – signing for the year without telling them his name was coming in the list.

    2. Yes he was asked about it on Thursday and he feferred to the union. For all do not know, he or his agent might have alerted Yanks about it. Even if he did not inform, what is the big deal about it? It must be a crushing news to him and he must be spending time with his advisors how to handle to fall out.

    Also, regarding the list, every on including you, are missing the point.

    In 2003, it was anonymous testing and the names were not supposed to be known to any one including the players. Even A-rod would not know his name was in the list. Whether he was cheating that year was a different story and if it is true, I am not condoning it.

  310. MaineYankee February 7th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    I think that how this steroid issue has played out shows how badly MLB handled it compared to the NFL. We know that it has and still is being used in the NFL yet they aren’t the center of attention. I think if MLB hadn’t acted as if it wasn’t going on and had some sort of testing and punishment like the NFL did congress never would have gotten involved. It was just plain stupidity to think that you could continue as they were without repercussions. Or it could have been arrogance that they were untouchable.

  311. Amandla February 7th, 2009 at 3:37 pm

    For those who are stating his accomplishments since 2003, listen to the rest of the story. He has been tipped off to subsequent testing by Orza since so I think that pretty much implies he’s still using. If he was clean, why would he still require being tipped? And for those implying Jeter and/or Mo are on that list, my only question is how do you type you heads up your behinds?

  312. matt February 7th, 2009 at 4:01 pm

    ya know as much as i, and probably most have you, have berated “a-roid” over the last 5 years, we could always back up his 0-4 with 2 GIDP’s by at least knowing (or thinking) that it was clean. And while obviously just because he failed the test in 03 doesnt mean at all he juiced up since, even at all with the yanks, it without a doubt adds questionability to his career. before this morning, this biggest obstacle for alex to overcome was his lack of postseason production. now i think its safe to say its this.

    and i was really looking foward to the upcomming season. thanks, buddy.

  313. Jason O. February 7th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Sam, it undermines your credibility when you defend Selena Roberts. Her reprehensible conduct during the Duke lacrosse travesty makes her subsequent reporting at worst unreliable and at best biased and agenda-driven.

    A little reminder…three excerpts from Roberts’s vicious attack on three completely innocent people:

    “The season is over, but the paradox lives on in Duke’s lacrosse team, a group of privileged players of fine pedigree entangled in a night that threatens to belie their social standing as human beings.”

    “Whatever the root, there is a common thread: a desire for teammates to exploit the vulnerable without heeding a conscience.”

    “Does President Brodhead dare to confront the culture behind the lacrosse team’s code of silence or would he fear being ridiculed as a snitch?”

    The fact that she still has a job taints the entire profession.

  314. sevrox February 7th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    gb7: “That’s one reason you almost never see somebody from the military in weight lifting or body building contest.”

    Not true. Being an ex-military weightlifting body builder myself, those base gyms were packed with weightlifting body builders who were military.

    Another freakin’ Arod drama – yep, can’t say how much I wish his opt-out would have actually occurred.

    %$#@!

  315. lauren February 7th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    ever who obtained this information should be ashamed of themselves. this information was private for 6 years now probably for a reason. if a rod’s name has been released then i want to see the 106 other guys who tested positive also. a rod was not the only one on the list

  316. ScubaSteve17 February 7th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    I propose a new nickname…Ster-Rod. I am not shocked, I am pissed off. Pissed on, rather. I’ve spent precious minutes of my life defending this guy because I thought he was the real deal. I never liked the guy, but he stood for something. His pompous rep made mince meat out of Bonds’ and Clemens’. This guy was going to break all the record… the right way. Now he’s just like them? Please Albert… don’t let it be true.

  317. JP February 7th, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    “Selena Roberts is an excellent reporter, someone who has always done thorough work and is incredibly respected in the journalism business.”

    Disgusting.

    Sam, I previously respected your work. But for you to use such strong and blatantly untrue words reeks of crony-ism at its most heinous.

    You should be ashamed of yourself.

  318. lil' m February 7th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    Sully:

    I always wondered about Nomar, and let me say as a Yankee fan that I always liked him and thought it was a pity how his career kind of fell apart. I did wonder also about the likeable (when he’s not killing Yankee pitching) Big Papi’s dramatic improvement once he left Minnesota. As to Varitek and Nixon, Tom Verducci commented in SI on 5/2/2006 that “Scouts have remarked that 34-year-old catcher Jason Varitek and injury-prone Trot Nixon (three home runs between them) appear noticeably trimmer with less pop in their bats.”

    It’s pretty obvious that PEDs have been all over baseball and sports in general for at least a couple of decades, and we’re kidding ourselves if we think otherwise. There must be a lot of very uneasy ballplayers throughout baseball these days, since there’s no end in sight to these revelations. One wonders if there might not come a time when Commissioner Bud will regret not having simply stepped up to acknowledge the magnitude of the problem, taken responsibility for what happened on his watch, and instituted testing going forward rather than digging around in the past via the conflict-of-interest-challenged Mitchell report.

    Also, the hue and cry about PEDs in MLB, in contrast to the indifference/virtual acceptance of the same and worse in the NFL only increases exponentially my cynicism about the way the public discourse is framed in the mainstream media. Obviously the level of outrage is based on something other than a consistent ethical standard. And as to the no-more- heroes/what-about-the-children angle: let’s get real. It’s disappointing when scandals engulf our favorite sports and their stars, but if the morals and conduct of athletes ultimately have anything more than a minor effect on our peace of mind and worldview, it’s probably time to rethink the place of sports in our lives. And yes, this is while commenting on a Yankees blog at 10:00 o’clock on a Saturday night lol.

    Lastly, re 2016: I can’t speak for anyone other than myself, but as far as I’m concerned, comments from our honest and insightful Red Sox fan board members (ray, Brian, et al.) are always welcome no matter what the topic or circumstances. It’s part of what makes this blog so totally awesome. Peace out…

  319. jvcelt February 7th, 2009 at 11:01 pm

    it’s becoming quite obvious that half (at least) of mlb has juiced. take a look at the arms (and discovered power) of our catcher.
    if the whole league is doing it, who wouldn’t at least consider it, for survival. if everyone is cheating, and the guys who don’t may get left behind, what do u really think will happen? let’s see… a 10 million $ contract, or maybe coaching somewhere.
    i am not condoning cheating, but let’s be real.

  320. Mark February 8th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    By what I’ve read about Selena Roberts, she sounds like just another leftist wingnut, calling Obama a rock star in Europe or attacking the Duke students for what turned out to be a non-story.


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